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fahimknight
01-03-2009, 06:11 PM
"Christmas: Jesus--The Sun God, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth"

by Fahim A. Knight-EL

This brief article is on the origin of Christmas and its so-called correlation to the SUN GOD concept, which the western parable of Jesus originated; moreover, December 25 is the BIRTH OF THE SUN GOD and in reality, this fabrication and/or truth has nothing to do with the Historical and Prophetic man called Jesus (there are actually two Jesus, perhaps another subject for another time) and this propaganda is continually being perpetuated in the name of tradition. But the beneficiaries of the Christmas tradition have always been the merchant class in the United States and around the world, which accumulates over 75% of their annual gross sales and financial profits during the month of December.

Allauddin Shabazz in his book titled, “Symbolism, Holidays, Myths and Signs” The word “Christmas” means “Mass of Christ,” or as it came to be shortened, ‘Christ—mas.’ It came to non—Christians and Protestant from the Roman Catholic Church. And where did they get it?---NOT from the New Testament---NOT from the Bible—NOT from the original apostles who were personally instructed by Christ—but it gravitated in the fourth century into the Roman Church from paganism”

Tradition reaps in huge monetary gains and that HIDDEN HAND who do not believe in Christmas or Jesus---THEIR GOD IS MONEY and WE SHOULD CALL THEIR HOLY “PROFIT” GREED. This writer, wonders do the SUN—DAY School teachers admonishes that the worship of the SUN was replaced with the divinity and worship of the SON popular associated with the man named Jesus. This article should not be viewed as an attack on the faith--tradition of Christianity, But like the Reggae Revolutionary Artist Bob Marley’s use to sing “NONE CAN FREE OUR MINDS, BUT OURSELVES.”

Allauddin Shabazz book validates this contention relative to the commercialization and the nonreligious connection Christmas has with the birth of Jesus; in his small, but powerful book titled, “Symbolism, Holidays, Myths and Signs” he stated, “Christmas has become a commercial season. It’s sponsored, kept alive, by the heaviest retail advertisement campaigns of the year. You see a masqueraded “Santa Claus” in many stores. Ads keep the masses deluded and deceived about the ‘beautiful Christmas spirit.’ The newspaper, who sells ads, print flowery editorials exalting and eulogizing the pagan season, and spirit. Gullible people have become so inoculated, many take offense when told the truth. But the ‘Christmas spirit’ is created each year, not to honor Christ, but to sell merchandise!” (reference: Symbolism, Holidays, Myths and Signs” by Allauddin Shabazz).

This writer understand and humbly accept that a 4000 word thesis places serious limitations on a subject of this magnitude where scholars such as: Gerald Massey, Albert Churchward, E.A. Wallis Budge, Josef Ben Jochannan, Alvin Boyd Kuhn, Godfrey Higgins, John G. Jackson, Kersey Graves, Cheikh Anta Diop, Manly P. Hall, John Henrik Clarke, Jacob Boehme, Arthur Edward Waite, G.R.S. Mead, Louis H. Spencer, H.G. Wells, H.P. Blavatsky, Ishakamusa Barashango, J.Van Rijckenborgh, Albert Pike, George Oliver, J.S.M. Ward, etc., have spent many years researching and writing scholarly treatise on the above subject.

This thumbnail sketch, is by no means, written to represent a definitive and exhaustive study on the this subject; there are to many links, which expands the schools of thought of esoteric, religious, philosophical, occult, metaphysical science and the truth extends to many cultures, far beyond the limitations of this research could ever begin to address. But it should not be viewed that the author perhaps does not understand the depth and complexity of this subject pertaining to Jesus, a god of the Sun and the origin of Christmas.

E. Curtis Alexander (aka Mwalimu I. Mwadilifu) in an essay titled, “African Foundations of Christendom” he stated, “Christendom began as a Council of Bishops in Nicea, a city in Bithynia, in Asia Minor on the southside of the Black Sea. The Council was convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine. Many events took place at this Council and the formation of many theological and theosophical doctrines were established such as the Trinity, the name of JESUS, THE Virgin Birth and perhaps the biggest act was making of the Bible. The books that were not canonical at this Council are known to us today as “Lost Books of the Bible’ and the ‘Forgotten Books of Eden’ ” (Reference: “African Foundations of Christendom” by E. Curtis Alexander).

In a book compiled by William Josiah Sutton titled, “The Illuminati 666” stated, “There is no scriptural evidence that supports the Birth of Christ as being December 25th; but history says December 25th was kept thousands of years before the Birth of Christ, in honor of the pagan Messiah. Another name for Tammuz, the pagan-child, was ‘Baal-bereth’ which means Lord of the Fir Tree.” (Reference: “The Illuminati 666” by William Josiah Sutton).

The majority of the scholarship on this subject totally contradicts the Christian version of the man known as Jesus Christ, but reaffirms this story within the scheme of historical and mythological allegory, metaphors, symbolism, prototypes, similes, etc. There is a sizable amount of precedent evidence which informs us that the entire story of Jesus, as far as, his birth, death, resurrection, and ascension were not concepts indigenous to European cultures, it flourished in that region of the world after they came in contact with Ancient Egypt (Kemet).They borrowed the Solar God concept from Egypt. (Reference: “Ancient Egypt: The Light of the World” by Gerald Massey).

John G. Jackson in his enlighten book titled, “Ethiopia and the Origin of Civilization” stated, “A study of the images of ancient deities of both the Old and New Worlds reveals their Ethiopic origin. Thus is noted by Kenneth R. H. Mackenzie in T.A. Buckley’s CITIES OF THE ANCIENT WORLD, p. 180:--‘From the wooly texture of the hair, I am inclined to assign to the Buddha of India, the Fuhi of China, the Sommonacom of the Siamese, Xaha of the Japanese, the Quetzalcoatl of the Mexicans, the same, and indeed an African, or rather Nubian, origin.’

Jackson continues on to state, “ most of the black gods were regarded as crucified saviors who died to save mankind by being nailed to a cross, or tied to a tree with arms outstretched as if on a cross, or slain violently in some other manner. Of these Crucified SAVIORS, THE MOST PROMINENT WERE OSIRIS, AND HORUS OF EGYPT, KRISHNA OF INDIA, MITHRA OF PERSIA, QUETZALCOATL OF MEXICO, ADDONIS OF BABYLONIA AND ATTIS OF PHRYGIA. NEARLY ALL OF THESE SLAIN SAVIOR-GODS HAVE THE FOLLOWING STORIES RELATED ABOUT THEM:---THEY ARE BORN OF A VIRGIN, ON OR NEAR DEC.25TH (CHRISTMAS); THEIR BIRTH ARE HERALDED BY A STAR; THEY ARE BORN EITHER IN A CAVE OR STABLE; THEY ARE SLAIN, COMMONLY BY CRUCIFIXION; THEY DESCEND INTO HELL, AND RISE FROM THE DEAD AT THE BEGINNING OF SPRING (EASTER) AND FINALLY ASCEND INTO HEAVEN.” (Reference: “Ethiopia and the Origin of Civilization” by John G. Jackson).

There is an overwhelming of historical evidence that the worship of the SUN GOD (which was celebrated by many names depending upon the culture and nation) Jesus was a story of antiquity that had played out on the stage of human civilization some thousands of years before the birth of Jesus who lived 2000 years ago and before Constantine concocted and devised the Christian Creed, which was designed to control how Christianity would be disseminated, as well as theologically protect the half-truths, distortions, and outright lies. They lied on Jesus, the Christ. (Reference: “The Historical Origin of Christianity” by Walter Williams).

Wikipedia online research engine stated, “December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma. It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be "unconquered" despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a "strong claim on the responsibility" for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia. Several early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus (sun/Son). "O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born . . . Christ should be born,"

Anthony Browder in his book titled, “Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization” he stated, “Auras, Aset, and Heru is the first story recorded in history of man of a holy royal family (the Trinity), immaculate conception, virgin birth and resurrection. Evidence of this Trinity is known to have exist.” (Reference: “Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization” by Anthony Browder).

H.P. Blavatsky in her monumental book titled, “Isis Unveiled” through meticulous research traces the original man’s history and culture back to Egypt (Kemet) which all philosophy, science, theology, and in essences human thought evolved.

Blavatsky stated, “What Egypt taught to others she certainly did not acquire by the international exchange of ideas and discoveries with her Semitic neighbors, NOR FROM THEM DID SHE RECEIVE HER STIMULUS. ‘The more we learn of the Egyptians,’ observes the writer of a recent article, ‘The Marvelous they seem!’ From whom could she have learned her wondrous arts, the secrets of which died with her? She sent no agents throughout the world to learn what others knew; but to her the wise men of neighboring nations resorted for knowledge. Proudly secluding herself within her enchanted domain, the fair queen of the desert created wonders as if by the sway of a magic staff. ‘Nothing” remarks the same writer, whom we shall elsewhere quote, ‘proves that civilization and knowledge rise and progress with her in the case of other peoples, but everything seems to be referable, in the same perfection, to the earliest dates. That no nation knew as much as herself, is a fact demonstrated by history.”

There is no doubt that the story of Jesus was steeped in duality and shrouded in the mysteries, but the WICKLY WISE, the ten (10) percent who the Honorable Elijah Muhammad referred to as, “The rich, the slave makers of the poor, who teach poor lies to believe that the almighty true and living God, is a spook and cannot be seen with the physical eye. Otherwise known as the bloodsucker of the poor.”

Muhammad further maintained that December 25 was the birthday of Nimrod who is mentioned in the Bible (Old Testament) he is styled as a mighty hunter who is in opposition to God and he turned against the teachings of Moses (the law giver). Nimrod was born 300 years before Christ. Thus, he manipulated the teachings of Moses and set-up the early pagan empires such as Greece and Rome. According to the Bible he is the son of Cush. Nimrod killed his father and married his mother, whose name was Ester, and the Easter celebration is also tied to advent of Nimrod and the entire SUN GOD scheme. (Reference: The True History of Elijah Muhammad” Edited by Nasir Makr Hakim)

Moreover, when Nimrod’s wife (his mother) had their first child, he feared that people would lose respect for him, if they knew he was making babies through his own mother (it was a secret that they were married) therefore to fool the people Nimrod told people that the Holy Ghost had impregnated his mother. This was beginning of the GREAT LIE told about the birth of Jesus.” there is a lot in Muhammad’s lesson and was Christmas set-up by non-Christians who do not believe in Jesus Divinity, but has a stronger conviction to manipulate money and play on the theological ignorance of the people. (Reference: “The History of Nimrod” by Elijah Muhammad).

Manly P. Halls stated, “For reasons which they doubtless considered sufficient, those who chronicled the life and acts of Jesus found it advisable to metamorphose him into a solar deity. The HISTORICAL JESUS WAS FOR GOTTEN; nearly all the salient incidents recorded in the four Gospels have their correlations in the movement, phases, or functions of the heavenly bodies. Among other allegories borrowed by Christianity from pagan antiquity is the story of the beautiful, blue-eyed Sun God, with His golden hair falling upon his shoulders, robed from head to foot in spotless white and carrying in His arms the Lamb of God, symbolic of the vernal equinox. This handsome youth is a composite of Apollo, Osiris, Orpheus, Mithras, and Baccus, for HE has certain characteristics in common with each of these pagan deities.” Manly P. Hall whom this writer considers one of the foremost free thinkers in the history of mankind and he uncovers and interprets symbolism, signs and delved into ancient wisdom unlike any other this writer had read (Reference: “The Secret Teachings of All Ages” by Manly P. Hall).

We have been taught and perhaps more indoctrinated into believing that December 25, represent the birth of Jesus Christ of Nazareth who lived perhaps 2000 years ago in around modern day Palestine. There is some evidence that points to Jesus birth place being in the ancient city of Bethlehem, but most Biblical historians have argued that Jesus was born in Nazareth. but there was a plot and a conspiracy orchestrated by King Herod to kill the first born male; thus Mary’s pregnancy and Jesus birth became a top priority and secret, this cloaking and concealment was only necessary to protect Jesus from his conspirators. (Reference: The Jesus Scroll” by Donovan Joyce).

This next quote is from a book titled, “The Lost Books of the Bible to Jesus Christ, His Apostles and Their Companions” originally published in 1820 by William Hone. Most Christians do not know their were some lost books to the original Bible or perhaps this writer should say that a number of books were deliberate and intentionally removed from the Bible as an act of deception. Nevertheless, Hone stated, “Now Herod, perceived that the wise men did delay and not return to him, called together the priests and wise men and said, Tell me in what place the Christ should be born? And when they replied, in Bethlehem, a city of Judea, he began to contrive in his own mind the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. But an Angel appeared to Joseph in his sleep, and said, Arise take the child and his mother and go into Egypt as soon as the cock crows. So he arose, and went.” (Reference: “The Lost Books of the Bible to Jesus Christ” by William Hone).

December 25 had nothing to do with Jesus Birthday in fact his name was probably more like Yeshua Ben Yosef or Isa Bin Yusuf (Jesus the Son of Joseph) in accordance to the Amharic and/or Hebrew languages that were spoken in that region of the world, long before the English language was even a thought. Jesus was atypical of pagan tradition that evolved around the sun god concept and there were many more world saviors who had similar histories of that of Jesus and many of the things we ascribed to Jesus were actually borrowed from more ancient cultures and civilizations. The birth, death, resurrection and ascension fables seemed to have been concocted by money changers and merchants which as stated above, many of them do not believe in Jesus divinity, but the commercialization and the exploitation of his name is their only motive. (Reference: “The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors” by Kersey Graves).

How then did December 25, become associated with the birth of Jesus Christ? John King in his monumental work titled, The Celtics Druids: Seasonal Cycles of the Ancient Celts. King states “In fact, Christ birth-date was deliberately and artificially set, during the third century AD, to coincide with, absorb and supersede the pagan festival dedicated to Saturn. It is not even certain that Christ was born in the winter: many legends speak of his being born in the spring. The controversy caused by the switch from the old Julian calendar to the Gregorian persists in the popular folk story that Christ was actually born on 6 January, and that at midnight on the eve of that day animals kneel in homage to the Christ child in mangers and stables. Many of the original customs of the Saturnalia have survived into the Christmas celebrations with remarkable persistence. The theme of the advent and the Virgin Births is, of course, not Celtic or Roman, although there are virgin births in other religions and mythologies.” (Reference: “The Celtics Druids: Seasonal Cycles of the Ancient Celts” by John King).

King’s research points to the fact, that the entire Christmas tradition perhaps has it roots in pagan tradition (interpret to mean Christmas is a non-Christian ritual), which ancient people had developed sophisticated customs and rituals that pre-dated the birth of Jesus. The Ancients charted the universe son, moon and stars, thus developing agricultural rites that paid homage to the power of life and death as it was seen in nature (the Freemasons, Rosicrucian, Elks, Illuminati, Sun Gods of Kemet and quite naturally the Sun Gods of Ancient Greece and Rome), as well as others have relied in an interdependent manner on the winter and summer solstice for ritual justification and theological explanation. Nature dies (winter months) and it resurrects itself every year (spring time) and all of the above Societies, as well as Christianity developed elaborate customs and theological rites giving to some aspect of death and resurrection that was observed in natural creation. (Reference: “Secret Societies: Inside The World’s Most Notorious Organizations” by John Lawrence Reynolds).

Moreover, as the earth rotates on her axis the Ancients became infatuated with the mystique of the winter and summer solstice. The word Sol is a Latin word meaning Sun and word Stice mean to stand still and in scientific terms the winter solstice and the summer solstice are one of the ecliptic at which its distance from the celestial equator is greatest and which is reached by the Sun each year around June 22nd and December 22nd. In our hemisphere (North America) December 22, starts winter, in which days get long and nights get shorter and it was believed by the Ancients that the Sun died during this time, but the manipulators of truth switched and presented us with the story of Jesus, the “Son God” and then concocted a story that is very much inconsistent with the Holy Bible about the events surrounding Jesus birth. (Reference: Recapturing the African Mind” by Bruce Bridges).

For example, in the book titled, "The Book the Church Doesn’t Want You to Read", edited by Tim C. Leedom. Leedom maintains that, “It is also noteworthy that during the month of December, Bethlehem and its surroundings are subject to wintry cold weather, chilling rains, and sometime snow. One does not find shepherds with their flocks outside at night during that time. This is not a recent weather phenomenon… all of this indicates that weather conditions in Bethlehem in December do not fit the Bible’s description of the events connected with the birth of Jesus Christ---Luke 2:8-11.” (Reference: “The Book the Church Doesn’t Want You to Read” by Tim C. Leedom).

Kersey Graves in his book titled, "The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors", wrote about the historical fact that there were at least Sixteen Saviors that resembled the story attributed to Jesus Christ. He maintained that all of these world Saviors were born of virgin birth (immaculate conception), wise men predicted their birth, the heavens roared, born on December 25, died, resurrected and ascended to heaven. These various Saviors born on December 25th could be found in Kemet (Egypt), India, Persia, China, Mexico, Greece, Rome, Germany and all of them represented aspects of the Sun Gods who were deified long before the man, we came know as Jesus. It was at the Council of Nicaea (modern day Turkey) on May 20, 325 AD that Constantine and his Biblical scholars conveniently and systematically set-up Christianity (meaning the establish creed and doctrine) and in most instance it went contrary and was outright inconsistent with the original teachings of Jesus.

The two authors Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas in their book titled, "The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secrets Scrolls of Jesus" describes some of the challenges that the non-Christian Constantine the Great and the Council of Nicaea faced, “The result of the Council was the ‘Nicene Creed’, which sought to reconcile the differences between various Christian factions and to avoid doctrinal gulfs that had looked as though they might split the Eastern Church away completely. The rulings that emerged still provide the basis for most Church establishments today, covering many points of detail such as when congregations should stand and when they should sit during services. The central issue, however, was the problem of whether Jesus Christ was a man or a god, and if he were indeed a god, what was the precise nature of his divinity.” (Reference: “The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secrets Scrolls of Jesus” by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas).

Also, the entire system of Freemasonry is built on the on the Solar Deity hypothesis; thus, one can point to the allegorical story of Hiram Abiff (this story has no Biblical foundation) and he too is a prototype of the SUN GOD conjecture. Hiram Abiff was considered a Master Builder of King Solomon’s Temple and serve as a duality in Operative Masonry (Guild Masonry—Trade Skills) and Speculative (philosophical) Freemasonry and He is equivalent to Jesus in fact and fiction. Shabazz “Symbols, Holidays, Myths and Signs” stated, “In Masonry the sun has many symbols. One expression of the solar energy is Solomon, whose name Sol-om-on is the name for the supreme light in three different languages. Hiram, the Chiram (Hiram) of the Chalders, is also a color deity, and the story of his attack and murder by three Ruffians.”

The circumstances of Hiram Abiff’s death transcends earthly reality and moves into immortality (eternal life and the realm of infinity). Hiram Abiff was murdered at high noon by three Jewish Ruffians that conspired to steal his LIGHT (knowledge and wisdom). Death is viewed as temporary, no different than the changing of the seasons and Jesus life is styled as the zenith of the concept of immorality (Christians believe that Christ has ascended to heaven and is sitting on the right hand of the Father, but will return). Hiram Abiff’s fate is only temporary just as all the other SOLAR DEITIES which life and death is charted by the sun, moon and stars. Hiram Abiff like Jesus suffered a cruel death and was resurrected (He was raised from a dead level) from the grave in which he eventually stood Ninety degrees upright as a LIVING PERPENDICULAR ON THE SQUARE.

The Worshipful Master stationed is in the East (there is where the Sun Rises) and HE is considered the light of the Masonic Lodge and as the physical sun gives light which to set the earth into rotation, the Worshipful Master is styled as Wisdom and the Craft should radiate from his illumination and enlighten coming out of the EAST. The sun as it crosses the meridian sets in the WEST and this is the station of the Senior Warden and HE is styled Strength and in the SOUTH stationed Junior Warden, he is styled as Beauty. (Reference: “Who is Hiram Abiff?” by JSM Ward)

John G. Jackson in his book titled, “Man, God, and Civilization” he stated, “Interesting relics of ancient sun worship may be observed in the ceremonies, symbols and ritual of modern Freemasonry. According to Masonic Tradition, the word of Freemason can be traced back to ancient Egypt. It was derived from two Egyptian words, ‘phee” (the sun) and ‘mas’ (a child), meaning children of the sun or sons of light; and from this combination we derived the word freemason. A Mason is advised to travel to the East in search of light, for the sun rises in the East. The Masonic initiation rites like those of the ancient mysteries of Egypt, are drama based on the astronomical allegory of the death and resurrection of the sun, and the doctrines of the unity of god and the immortality of man; and these tenets are learned from Dr. Oliver’s Dictionary of Symbolic Masonry , that a lodge has their lights situated in the East, the South and the West respectively.”

Jackson continues, “They are so placed in allusion to the sun rises in the East, cross the meridian by way of the south and sets in the West. There is no light in the North part of the lodge, since the sun directs no rays from that area. Every Masonic Lodge Should be oriented due East and sets in the West because the sun, the glory of the Lord, rises in the East and sets in the West and in the lodge, the Master stands in the East, the Junior Warden in the South and the Senior Warden in the West, which positions are representative of sunrise, noon, and sunset, respectively.” (Reference: “Man, God, and Civilization” by John G. Jackson).

Perhaps the most colorful of all the SUN GODS was Osiris of ancient Kemet and in reality, this writer could have started this topic with Osiris ended with Osiris because of all the SUN GODS, it was from his legend that all other legends sprung. The Christianity Trinity perhaps originated in ancient Egypt long before Jesus the Christ. Osiris, Isis and Heru—is the father, son, and the holy ghost. These ancients’ tales were derived from agriculture and fertility festival rites. Osiris had a jealous brother names Seth (Satan) who conspired against him in a vicious plot to take his life just as the Cain and Able story of your Christian Bible.

Seth succeeded in murdering his righteous and innocent brother moreover, cutting his body—up in 14 pieces and depressed the pieces in the river to be ever lost. But Osiris had a zealous sister named Nephthys who desired to search the river in order to find Osiris to reconstruct his body. She found Osiris’ body, some historians say that she found his body in pieces scattered throughout the vast river with the exception of his penis. Osiris’ sex organ was forever lost. The Egyptian started constructing the obelisk symbols as duplication of Osiris lost penis. Osiris being associated in the larger scheme of the sun. However, there are many different slants to the Osiris myth.

Fahim A. Knight Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of good will of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolisms and reinterpret the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlighten world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight can be reached at fahimknight@yahoo.com.

STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

rr_x
02-03-2009, 07:19 PM
This writer understand and humbly accept that a 4000 word thesis places serious limitations on a subject of this magnitude where scholars such as: Gerald Massey, Albert Churchward, E.A. Wallis Budge, Josef Ben Jochannan, Alvin Boyd Kuhn, Godfrey Higgins, John G. Jackson, Kersey Graves, Cheikh Anta Diop, Manly P. Hall, John Henrik Clarke, Jacob Boehme, Arthur Edward Waite, G.R.S. Mead, Louis H. Spencer, H.G. Wells, H.P. Blavatsky, Ishakamusa Barashango, J.Van Rijckenborgh, Albert Pike, George Oliver, J.S.M. Ward, etc., have spent many years researching and writing scholarly treatise on the above subject.


Don't let the Christians see the number of Masonic and Theosophic authors you've just cited. And have you checked what half those authors believed? Masseys theories contradict the hidden afrocentric theories you are trying to promote. Churchward was an admitted racist who believed in the superiority of the white race. Both believed that Egypt at its peak was governed by superior white men - the bringers of civilization - a theme Tsarion is running with today (Massey was also a practicing druid). Graves has routinely been debunked. Waite loved Eliphas Levi's works on magic except for Levi's ideas on India instead preferring an Egyptian origin. Waite is famous for his tarot deck (Tsarion also deals with the tarot). Pike only spoke of Africa in regards to Egypt and he certainly didn't promote the theories of Anta Diop. He believed the batch of knowledge mentioned here had a Himalayan origin. Hall continued said work. Ward also claimed Masonry's agenda was to create a 'superman'. Higgins traced the druid order (and Abraham) to India and claimed they gave all other civilizations their culture. In fact their books tend to deal with searching for Freemasonry's origins and by them discussing the different forms of worship around the world they are secretly tracing the different incarnations of the mystery religion down the ages which today goes by the name of Freemasonry.

H.P. Blavatsky in her monumental book titled, “Isis Unveiled” through meticulous research traces the original man’s history and culture back to Egypt (Kemet) which all philosophy, science, theology, and in essences human thought evolved.


Did she? Why in the same book does she, in Chapter XV, have subtitled chapters: 'India the Cradle of the Race' and 'Philosophy, religion, arts and sciences bequethed by Mother India to posterity'? In fact in chapter XIV entitled 'Origin of the Egyptians' she states that Ethiopia and then Egypt were colonized by India. Those qoutes are found immediately after the quotes you listed ended, suggesting the quoter either did not read the whole passage or is delibrately trying to deceive.

The two authors Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas in their book titled, "The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secrets Scrolls of Jesus" describes some of the challenges that the non-Christian Constantine the Great and the Council of Nicaea faced

Knight and Lomas also believe they found the real mummy of Hiram Abiff suggesting (as Christians do) that their solar deity was in fact real.

John G. Jackson's writings were of specific interest to Marcus Garvey. No surprises as Garvey was a Freemason.

The point of this was to show that as a 'chief researcher' you need to do more research and actually have an idea of what these guys were promoting - not just pinching statements because they conform to your belief system. Their statements are within the contexts of their own written work to just use them without evaluating them goes against what you originally intended.

fahimknight
02-03-2009, 10:03 PM
Thank you for your assessment, but most of what you gave, lacked any real scholarly merit and it is typical Eurocentric ideology and a well known argument. Thus, behind your analysis is a ting of racism which renders your evaluation as being more tainted than your ability to explore truth. Kemet (Egypt) was African in origin and most of the scholars of antiquity verify that contention of history. Thus, scholars cite sources as objective evidence that their research wasn't just a subjective conclusion that was drawn independent of other scholars. But you want to be as empirical in your research as possible and that was my intent and scope.

The article was clearly about solar deities and their connection to modern organized religion (in particular Christianity), in which Kemet (Egypt) gave the principles of the birth, death, resurrection and ascension that predated the advent of Jesus (Yeshua ben Josef) relative to the story/myth of Osiris. I used European scholars and I used African scholars and most of them all agreed that Kemet (Egypt) fed humanity.

These are not Fahim Knight's contentions, but the scholars; your angle to question the personal credibility (not necessary critiquing their research) is more slanderous and a defamation of these scholars character, perhaps because they came to the conclusion that Kemet (Egypt) was is in Africa and not in the Middle East. They also were Nubian in origin seems to disturb you more than anything else (this is what I mean about hearing a ting of racism).

Christianity borrowed most of the core and essentials its theology from Kemet (Egypt), if this is what is bothering you, then I understand that you might feel like the article was designed to attack your pagan faith tradition (sorry it was written to dismantle the falsehood and give the people the truth relative to the facts of Christianity). But you sound a bit irate and a bit unreasonable in your emotional assessment. Everything I wrote has citations and documentation, which gives the readers the same access to the information (sources) that I used to substantiate my argument.

Moreover, ordinarily people that attack me and my research are often trying to hold on to their Christian religion (magic and superstition), but their disagreement with me is often disguised in a non-related attack but the real issue is a defense for Christianity. I stand firmly by every scholar I cited and not only has Fahim Knight arrived at the same conclusion just pick up the owner of this site David Icke's book "The Biggest Secrets" and he has some serious information dealing with these SUN GOD and the SOLAR DEITIES. Your argument is the same as Mary Leftkowitz who authored the book titled, "Not Out of Africa."

The Kemitic (Egyptians) had mastered science, medicine, architect, art, philosophy chemistry, religion (spirituality), etc. The story of Hiram Abiff, the Widow’s Son was borrowed from the ancient story of Osiris (Asar), Isis (Aset), and Horus (Huru); (the Father, Son and Holy Ghost)—the birth, death, resurrection and ascension that we attribute to Hiram Abiff, it was actually predated by some thousands of years by the Osirian Myth, even before the advent of Isa bin Yusuf or Yeshua ben Yosef (better known in the West as Jesus Christ—the so-called Son of God). These legends were rooted in the Sun God and Solar God concepts. For example, right-minded historians and social scientists have traced these rituals and customs back to the worship of the Winter Solstice and Summer Solstice; in fact Kersey Graves in his monumental book titled, “The World Sixteen Crucified Saviors” he listed at least sixteen World Saviors that had the exact same identical advents attributed to their lives that we have associated with Yeshua ben Yosef (Jesus the son of Joseph). These are the facts and they are undisputable.

You got to come better than that and let go of the emotionalism and give met facts. Thus, you can not dispute the Osirian Myth which gave life to Christianity and many other faith traditions that was the basis of my article.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

stfd
02-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Heh a great (GREAT) way of getting the masses more disoriented.
We are experiencing over and over and over again that which determined the original fall of a third of the 'sky's stars' .

"they" have been at it since the begining and they are at it now, and they will continue to be at it as long as they are allowed to; the mirage created, suported and sustained that we, the humans, are -per se- 'GODS' will only lead to a very bad experience witch happens to be eternal.

But hey, who am i to think such things, who am i to say such things, am i not supposed to think like 'the many' ?
Because 'the many' , because of their great number -MUST- be right! right ?

Right ?

fahimknight
02-03-2009, 10:39 PM
STFD: This is not about further disorientated the masses, but sometime getting to the truth (ideals have to be measured and counted) and perhaps with the use of logic and rational think this will get us closer. We should; meaning humanity should be pursuing the highest levels of spirituality anything less will continue to lead towards human chaos on earth and will aid the imperfection in man/woman.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

rr_x
02-03-2009, 11:36 PM
Thank you for your assessment, but most of what you gave, lacked any real scholarly merit and it is typical Eurocentric ideology and a well known argument.

Scholarly? I make no claims to being a scholar - only that I found it amusing that you would promote afrocentric theory by using authors who claimed Egypt for the white man, as your proof that Egypt was exclusively nubian. I mentioned India and last time I checked that wasn't in Europe.

You claim to be a scholar yet you don't seem to be aware that Knight and Lomas were writing that Hiram Abiff was a real person in history because they claimed to have found his mummy - this does not support your Osiris analysis. Knight and Lomas also have a book out called 'Uriel's Machine' where they argue that all sciences had their root in Western Europe - a position which does not correspond to your Khemit hypotheses.

YOU claimed that Blavatsky traced everything to Egypt in Isis Unveiled yet the passage YOU quoted if YOU bothered to read the rest of the page said that Egypt and Ethiopia were colonized from India. I'm not saying if that is true only highlighting how your scholarship decided to stop reading after you felt your point had been proven. If YOU bothered to check just the contents page of that book you could have verified everything I said (that is of course if you have the book and weren't just parroting someone elses work). I read the Blavatsky passage that was provided and the following sentances contradicted what YOU claimed it said. That is poor scholarship if it can even be called that.

These are not Fahim Knight's contentions, but the scholars; your angle to question the personal credibility (not necessary critiquing their research) is more slanderous and a defamation of these scholars character, perhaps because they came to the conclusion that Kemet (Egypt) was is in Africa and not in the Middle East.

Nobody said Egypt was in the middle east. lol.

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I've got one and the first few chapters are talking about blue-eyed blonde, reptilian Martian Aryans who come to Earth (in Sumeria), interbreed with the locals and give all civilizations their culture. That includes Khemit. This is what is so laughable - none of those authors can be legitimately cited to help your case. Quotes from a book are from the context of that whole book. On face value a sentance may support what you're trying to prove which may work on people who are not familiar with those books - but for those who have read them they render your own arguments obsolete.

Christianity borrowed most of the core and essentials its theology from Kemet (Egypt)

I never denied that. I only pointed out that the authors you cited (like Blavatsky) stated that Egypt also either borrowed or was influenced. Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva predates Osiris, Horus, Isis.

Your argument is the same as Mary Leftkowitz who authored the book titled, "Not Out of Africa."

For a so called scholar her knowledge of ancient Greece was not of a particularly high standard and she should refrain from any Masonic comments in future as she clearly doesn't know what she's talking about. My argument is not the same as hers because I never stated my argument. I am not denying the Egyptian influences within Christianity, Ancient Greece or Rome only your statements of Egypt being the beginning point.

Let me now state the main problems with your research - it's nothing new. If you bothered to check this site before posting you will have already seen how citing Kersey Graves won't go far. The solar mythos have been argued a million times on this site (and I actually agree that Christ is a composite character). And the scholars you cited will hold no weight as they are theosophists and Freemasons who have always been using opposing arguments to Christians. It seems to me that you've only recently come across this information and field of research as your article is not very well thought out and the scholarship is poor. You probably recently came across Zeitgeist.

eternal_spirit
03-03-2009, 01:48 AM
[quote=fahimknight;837961]Thank you for your assessment, but most of what you gave, lacked any real scholarly merit and it is typical Eurocentric ideology and a well known argument. Thus, behind your analysis is a ting of racism which renders your evaluation as being more tainted than your ability to explore truth.


These are not Fahim Knight's contentions, but the scholars;

There is no doubt that the story of Jesus was steeped in duality and shrouded in the mysteries, but the WICKLY WISE, the ten (10) percent who the Honorable Elijah Muhammad referred to as, “The rich, the slave makers of the poor, who teach poor lies to believe that the almighty true and living God, is a spook and cannot be seen with the physical eye. Otherwise known as the bloodsucker of the poor.”

Muhammad further maintained that December 25 was the birthday of Nimrod who is mentioned in the Bible (Old Testament) he is styled as a mighty hunter who is in opposition to God and he turned against the teachings of Moses (the law giver). Nimrod was born 300 years before Christ. Thus, he manipulated the teachings of Moses and set-up the early pagan empires such as Greece and Rome. According to the Bible he is the son of Cush. Nimrod killed his father and married his mother, whose name was Ester, and the Easter celebration is also tied to advent of Nimrod and the entire SUN GOD scheme. (Reference: The True History of Elijah Muhammad” Edited by Nasir Makr Hakim)
Nation of Islam
In his book Elijah Muhammad he says that he is a divine messenger who is warning blacks that they had better pledge to Nation of Islam's version of Islam before Allah eliminates whites and non-believers in racial Armageddon.

that Allah created originally the blacks, next the brown, red, and yellow races, and lastly the whites. A renegade black scientist named Yakub created the white race 6,000 years ago, and ever since then, the whites have ruled the other colors.

Whites are viewed as inherently evil for "the whole Caucasian race is a race of devils." While they are usually referred to as "devils," other titles are applied to whites such as "the great archdeceivers" and "man of sin." The white race, we find out, "are the people described as 'beast' in the Revelation of the Bible."

It is said that blue eyes are ugly while black eyes are beautiful.

Christianity, we are told, was organized in order to make slaves out of all blacks. Christianity's purpose "was to deceive other races, namely, the black, brown, yellow and red" in order "to make an easy prey for the white race." Playing into the hands of whites, black Christian preachers prevent blacks from learning Nation of Islam's teachings.

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Throughout the entire book it is proclaimed that there is nothing whites can do to avoid Armageddon because whites were created inherently evil and because Allah doomed whites in the scriptures.

That's just some of what this guy preached. BTW he was at least 33 degree Freemason.

fahimknight
03-03-2009, 04:28 AM
RR X Stated: Scholarly? "I make no claims to being a scholar - only that I found it amusing that you would promote afrocentric theory by using authors who claimed Egypt for the white man, as your proof that Egypt was exclusively Nubian. I mentioned India and last time I checked that wasn't in Europe."


If the Afrocentric is speaking the truth; then truth is the truth. It does not matter who the truth teller is, ethnic or racial factor or variable do not lend more credibility relative to a fact of truth. Thus, your above comment further predisposed your unwillingness to consider scholars and their scholarship just because you have placed the label "Afrocentric" subtly implying and with the inference that this is something negative and not worthy of intellectual consideration.

"You claim to be a scholar yet you don't seem to be aware that Knight and Lomas were writing that Hiram Abiff was a real person in history because they claimed to have found his mummy - this does not support your Osiris analysis. Knight and Lomas also have a book out called 'Uriel's Machine' where they argue that all sciences had their root in Western Europe - a position which does not correspond to your Khemit hypotheses"

Whether Knight and Lomas consider Hiram Abiff as a real person or not, it is inconsistent with the Masonic teachings of the majority Grand Masonic Lodges and their Jurisdictions within the United States, in particular within the Ancient Free and Accepted Masonic body and the Prince Hall (Free and Accepted Masons). Now! I have access to many official Masonic Monitors from both the Scottish Rite and the York Rite side and I have been involved in Masonic research for a very long time. Speculative Masonry and all Masonry teach and view the story of Hiram Abiff as a SYMBOLIC and MYTHOLOGICAL figure. Moreover, the character is inconsistent with the biblical interpretation and every Master Mason that is raised in the Masonic ritual is taught that fact. There is a biblical Hiram described as Hiram of Tyree, but this is not the Masonic Hiram; yet this Hiram is spoken about within mythical legend of the building of King Solomon Temple. All the major Masonic Historians ranging from Manly P. Hall, Albert Pike, Albert Mackey, etc., teaches that Hiram Abiff is a symbolic character. Where did they find the mummy in Kemet? Perhaps it is King Hiram of Tyree (to separate Masonic individuals).

"YOU claimed that Blavatsky traced everything to Egypt in Isis Unveiled yet the passage YOU quoted if YOU bothered to read the rest of the page said that Egypt and Ethiopia were colonized from India. I'm not saying if that is true only highlighting how your scholarship decided to stop reading after you felt your point had been proven. If YOU bothered to check just the contents page of that book you could have verified everything I said (that is of course if you have the book and weren't just parroting someone elses work). I read the Blavatsky passage that was provided and the following sentances contradicted what YOU claimed it said. That is poor scholarship if it can even be called that"

Yes: I quoted Madam H.P. Blavatsky words accurately and precisely relative to her comment about Egypt (Kemet) feeding and enlighten the world in culture. The quote is not out of context nor have I added anything to Blavatsky words. However, if you wanted to make a different scholarly argument that is your right and prerogative. The original Dravidians inhabited India long before the imposters that occupy India to today. No, doubt India and China are ancient civilizations (I am surprised to hear a Eurocentric at least admonish that point). But Kemet (Egypt) has the oldest recorded civilization known to humanity. Yes, the Nubians. We reject the Greek names of Egypt and Ethiopian—these are the names giving by the colonizers.

"Nobody said Egypt was in the middle east. lol."

Your inferences were good enough for me because many of the Eurocentric scholars have suspended Kemet (Egypt) in the so-called Middle East and your argument defense resemble the mindset of your brothers.

"I never denied that. I only pointed out that the authors you cited (like Blavatsky) stated that Egypt also either borrowed or was influenced. Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva predates Osiris, Horus, Isis."

REALLY!: You did not cite any proof of your claim; I have given you many references and sources for all of my contentions; on almost EVERY POINT I made there is a citation and scholarly documentation. You are writing just to sooth your large ego. WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT? PLEASE STATE YOUR POSITION, but right now you are just taking a reactionary position.

"For a so called scholar her knowledge of ancient Greece was not of a particularly high standard and she should refrain from any Masonic comments in future as she clearly doesn't know what she's talking about. My argument is not the same as hers because I never stated my argument. I am not denying the Egyptian influences within Christianity, Ancient Greece or Rome only your statements of Egypt being the beginning point."

You will not get an argument from me on that point. We are in agreement about Mary Leftkowitz inept and her poor Masonic worldview. Amen!

"Let me now state the main problems with your research - it's nothing new. If you bothered to check this site before posting you will have already seen how citing Kersey Graves won't go far. The solar mythos have been argued a million times on this site (and I actually agree that Christ is a composite character). And the scholars you cited will hold no weight as they are theosophists and Freemasons who have always been using opposing arguments to Christians. It seems to me that you've only recently come across this information and field of research as your article is not very well thought out and the scholarship is poor. You probably recently came across Zeitgeist."

This was the most laughable and ridiculous point you made. Let me start by saying this THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN. The majority of every thought, thread, idea, philosophy, etc., on the site is just recycled information, but that does not compromise intellectually credibility. For example, what might be old information to you could be new information to someone who has not heard or come in contact with a source of information. So, the terms "Old and "New" is RELATIVE. You are really funning; you stated: "You probably recently came across Zeitgeist." Really! Will not dignify the comment.

You got to come better than what you are presenting, which is nothing but a recycle Eurocentric argument.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

fahimknight
03-03-2009, 04:50 AM
Your response is typical American style igorance relative to the Nation of Islam. You are just spewing anti-Nation of Islam propaganda. First, I am not an apologist for the Nation of Islam and Minister Farrakhan. But I will state Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam have the right to practice Islam as they see it; although, their theology may differ from so-called "mainstream Islam" what ever that means because Islam to my understanding is a very diverse religion

My research has very little to do with Elijah Muhammad and Nation of Islam. Now if you want to debate the Central Points of the article titled,"Christmas: Jesus, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth" or do you want to debate the theology of the Nation of Islam? My post did reference Muhammad, but I referenced a lot more than this black American leader. Your comment seemed to be racism in reverse and you want to draw me into an off the subject conversation. Thus, either way you can not defeat me even in a Nation of Islam debate; if that is the debate you want to have. My article was entitled "Christmas: Jesus, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth" not Nation of Islam.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

armoured_amazon
03-03-2009, 04:53 AM
Zzzzz...many Christians don't celebrate Christmas, are very much aware of the pagan Sun idol roots and certainly don't buy into the materialism mentioned in your first post.

eternal_spirit
03-03-2009, 04:55 AM
So, you believe Jesus and other Gods etc where allegory. Do you think there's any true God, Gods that exist that are not allegory?

armoured_amazon
03-03-2009, 05:01 AM
So, you believe Jesus and other Gods etc where allegory. Do you think there's any true God, Gods that exist that are not allegory?

I didn't say that. :p I just tire of these long-winded posts that tell me what I believe and practise.

eternal_spirit
03-03-2009, 05:05 AM
I didn't say that. :p I just tire of these long-winded posts that tell me what I believe and practise.

The question wan't for you I know you better than that :p

armoured_amazon
03-03-2009, 05:07 AM
The question wan't for you I know you better than that :p

My bad. :)

*runs off to suck on a spearmint chew*

fahimknight
03-03-2009, 05:41 AM
armoured_amazon: Is a member of the site. I agree with the response that was made to you; you did not specify who the question was for and I know that there are more people on the site than you me (But I guess your comment is an indication of a good ole boy and good ole girl network on the site. I can stand by myself. TRUTH DOES NOT NEED A CHORUS). So, do we agree that my post was not about the Nation of Islam? But I would love to have that debate with you. You are just parroting mis-information and you know nothing about the Nation of Islam other than what you get from your Zionist Media Masters. You are pulling SPAM from some anti-Nation of Islam website.

Eternal stated: So, you believe Jesus and other Gods etc where allegory. Do you think there's any true God, Gods that exist that are not allegory?

I got something better than that: All of it is just a hoax; a big ball of confusion designed to lead the ignorant sheep to the slaughter.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

eternal_spirit
03-03-2009, 05:42 AM
Your response is typical American style igorance relative to the Nation of Islam. You are just spewing anti-Nation of Islam propaganda. First, I am not an apologist for the Nation of Islam and Minister Farrakhan. But I will state Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam have the right to practice Islam as they see it; although, their theology may differ from so-called "mainstream Islam" what ever that means because Islam to my understanding is a very diverse religion

My research has very little to do with Elijah Muhammad and Nation of Islam. Now if you want to debate the Central Points of the article titled,"Christmas: Jesus, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth" or do you want to debate the theology of the Nation of Islam? My post did reference Muhammad, but I referenced a lot more than this black American leader. Your comment seemed to be racism in reverse and you want to draw me into an off the subject conversation. Thus, either way you can not defeat me even in a Nation of Islam debate; if that is the debate you want to have. My article was entitled "Christmas: Jesus, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth" not Nation of Islam.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

You obviously have problems with RR X's views because you have used the term "Eurocentric" and add "racist" in response to his posts on a number of occasions.
Nation of Islam is anti white and racist.

Islam has many foul and evil practices none of which Christians practice. You obviously have a large chip on each of your shoulders about Christianity more like two large rocks and I think it's you that maybe the racist here.

Nation of Islam and Minister Farrakhan claims much the same content that's in your posts about superiority of blacks over whites, some examples - meaning - you claim the whites are liars and that everything happened in Africa before any where else (I've heard it all before and it's ridiculous)

If what you claim is true, why are all modern inventions made mostly by whites, if your own race is so advanced why are they now not at the forefront of scientific knowledge
and inventing things to benefit humanity?

Why do you feel the need to prove something like that to make your self feel superior to whites.

EDIT btw I'm Irish English German.

eternal_spirit
03-03-2009, 05:50 AM
[quote=fahimknight;838750]So, do we agree that my post was not about the Nation of Islam? But I would love to have that debate with you. You are just parroting mis-information and you know nothing about the Nation of Islam other than what you get from your Zionist Media Masters. You are pulling SPAM from some anti-Nation of Islam website.

Eternal stated: So, you believe Jesus and other Gods etc where allegory. Do you think there's any true God, Gods that exist that are not allegory?

I got something better than that: All of it is just a hoax; a big ball of confusion designed to lead the ignorant sheep to the slaughter.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL[/quote

You don't know me from Adam, and don't know how much I know about Nation of Islam. And your response is typical of a Nation of Islam groupie, don't wash with me bud.

So, are you Muslim? Or maybe that's dumb after your reply. Would explain some of your views.
BTW I'm not religious.

fahimknight
03-03-2009, 06:03 AM
I know Nation of Islam ignorance when I read it. You now sound a bit emotional. What you posted about the Nation of Islam's theolgy is right out of the play book of Abraham Foxman and the ADL. You do not know anything of truth about the Nation of Islam. Thus, when I checked last, they did not permit whites. So what do you know that is a primary account or a firsthand account. Perhaps! You were made an honorary member. The name is not "Bud" it is Fahim. Now! What do you want to know about the Nation of Islam?

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

eternal_spirit
03-03-2009, 06:22 AM
Well you could try and refute my quotes that are from Muhammed's book. But you don't have to. Maybe better tell me what you think NOI is about if it's not about anti white.

You know one quote according to NOI I didn't post was the one about how Germans and Americans will be the first whites to be killed (I have German genes) The Jews had plans to eradicate everyone with German genes the idea of a Jew named Banting.

I'm well aware of the Zionist Jew lies and one of their tricks is to try cause problems between whites and blacks.

eternal_spirit
03-03-2009, 06:24 AM
I understand blacks where oppressed at times in USA and can appreciate they wanted equal rights.

eternal_spirit
03-03-2009, 07:33 AM
Fahimknight If you'd like to carry on the debate about NOI there's a thread here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52154

dhama_initiative
03-03-2009, 09:16 AM
I grew up in an Evangelical church, I was always told that Jesus was not born on Xmas day or died on Easter day, but that they were ancient holidays that Chriatians now use to celebrate these events. I've never met a christian who believes Jesus was born on 25 of Dec. The vast majority of Christians I have met know that 25 Dec was a pagan festival, but are happy that Christianity has used the day. Thats why it does my head in when new age people say smugly "omg, 25 of Dec isn't Jesus' real birthday, I'm gonna shock all those stupid Christians with this info". They already know and they don't care.

synergy777
03-03-2009, 01:18 PM
fahimknight welcome to the forum bro. keep on posting i for one like to view all sides.

rrx, good points, especially about isis unveiled, india/ethiopia/egypt. have you any pdfs of isis unveiled, as i am quite interestered. egypt and india play huge parts. africa/egypt is a african country, later occupied by asians from indian/middle east which make up todays egyptians/arabs.

i will read all posts throughly and comment back later.

as for yashua/jesus, i believe there were many people called jesus, as its a popular name.

there is the real jesus/teacher, there is the royal jesus (ralph ellis's research) and there is the esoteric/occult jesus. the jesus in the bible is a composite jesus, a jesus formed from all three.

we have to remember that the bible is a history book, and that objective research shows many inaccuracies, eg the bibles version of events and history do not seem to correlate. thus we must ask ourselves why history and the bible do not correlate.

i suggest reading ralph ellis, michael tsarion, godfrey higgins, gerald massey, phillip gardiner. also just because scholars/authors have masonic connections, does not mean everything they say is lies. in fact because they are masons, they probably have access to the truth, more than we do.

i believe in god, i believe yashuah/teacher existed. however i do not believe everything that the elite and bible says about yashuah and god.

in fact in recent days i have come to the conclusion, that these so called divine revelations that most religous figures have had or have allegedly have, are unprovable. how can we say that everything in religous or elite texts is truth. just because a scribe writes that something is divinely revealed, doesn't mean it is. also how do we distinguish divine revelation, how do we know that these people who say they heard voices, angels came to speak to them etc, were not spiritually manipulated/mentally manipulated/mentally unstable.

if someone comes to you and says god speaks to me, we would classify it as being delusional. saying something is divinely revealed is a sure way to have it accepted, without objective analysis, it is authoritarian.

thus religions, esoteric knowledge is not be trusted with 100 blind faith, you must use intution, logic, critical analysis.

both esoteric and religous knowledge has been corrupted by design, to keep us from the truth.

we must first search for truth

then we must prove what the truth is

after this, we must then learn the truth

after this, we must then understand the truth

after this can we then try to live the truth.

we are still searching for truth, and due to the lies on all sides eg esoteric/religous, we must still try to prove/find what the truth is. we are in the early stages. after we find the real truth, we have to learn and understand it.

the fact is no author/researcher knows for 100% what the truth is, no one.

rr_x
03-03-2009, 04:44 PM
synergy wrote:

have you any pdfs of isis unveiled, as i am quite interestered.

http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/theosophy/H.P._Blavatsky_-_Isis_Unveiled_V_I.pdf

dedicate
03-03-2009, 06:14 PM
the Solstice Celbration is a Spiritual ritual. It is a spritual time of year, it's not just the empirical southern most point of the Sun's eccliptic. That's reductionism. The significance of that day has been taken out of Christianity. I think it is a good thing to celebrate Christ's birth on that day.

During Winter the Earth is cold and barren. With the Solstice there is a new birth of life on Eath for the Northern Hemesphire; hope and life Springs anew. Who's to say that Christ is not involved in this? Who's to say that the indwelling spirit of the Earth is not the Christ Spirit? Thus the Birth (rebirth) of Christ? -- and the promise of eternal life. Very symbolic of the the Christian teaching, even if you don't accept the essoteric points I've made here..

merla
03-03-2009, 10:11 PM
Without getting into what it is exactly you are trying to prove with this I just want to correct something for you; immaculate conception does not mean virgin birth, it is something Catholics believe about Mary. In order to give birth to the Messiah, Mary was born without original sin, she is the immaculate conception not Jesus. It's a commonly made mistake.

I think it's a bit presumptuous that some of this research makes claims about what 'most' Christians don't know or believe, I have never believed that Easter or Christmas were the exact days, they are festivals that celebrate events not the date of the events themselves and 'most' of the Christians I know are well aware of the history behind them. At the end of the day it's your relationship with God that counts not if you celebrate the right festivals or not.

armoured_amazon
03-03-2009, 10:14 PM
At the end of the day it's your relationship with God that counts not if you celebrate the right festivals or not.

:)