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december

01-07-2007, 11:05 PM

Many modern day Whites are either direct or part descendants of a great wave of White peoples who swept into Europe from about 5500 BC till around 500 BC. These peoples, Nordic in terms of the White racial sub-groupings, had their original heartland in the region known today as central and southern Russia.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5_files/flood4.jpg

Leaving the Black Sea Basin, the Nordic Indo-European peoples invaded Europe and Asia. Europe was settled by four main groups: the Celts, the Germans, the Balts and the Slavs. In the south they settled pre-dynastic Egypt and the Middle East, penetrating India (the Indo-Aryans); Afghanistan (the Aryans); and China - see chapter six.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5.htm

Well, now I understand the meaning of the phrase "MOTHER RUSSIA".

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http://img.lenta.ru/news/2005/04/11/sharapova/picture.jpg

http://www.adpunch.org/images/sharapova_2.jpg

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5.htm

anoninnyc

01-07-2007, 11:36 PM

we were all originally african i believe and then spread out and developed different traits. white people are called caucasian because it was once believed they spread out to europe, middle east, and india from the caucus mountain range. not sure what the most modern theory is on this now. what you say sounds familiar. but what does it really matter?

december

01-07-2007, 11:51 PM

we were all originally african i believe and then spread out and developed different traits.

This is what it says in the Illuminati books. Right?
We had enough of their propaganda.
Thank you very much.

:)

white people are called caucasian because it was once believed they spread out to europe, middle east, and india from the caucus mountain range.

The term Caucasian people (which was invented by the German anthropologist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach some 150 years ago) and was forgotten, of course, but recently was resurrected because of "political correctness" when it became "illegal" to say simply WHITE PEOPLE, has no association with the white people what so ever.

....but what does it really matter?

I think you are a Christian gatekeeper who is trying to stop people from researching the subject, so they will stick with the Bible story.

Thank you for your opinion though.

:)

anoninnyc

02-07-2007, 12:33 AM

I think you are a Christian gatekeeper who is trying to stop people from researching the subject, so they will stick with the Bible story.

Thank you for your opinion though.[/b]

:)

Christian gatekeeper? I am not even sure what that is. Go ahead and research but please give us something new and also explain how this topic is relevant. I really do not have a strong opinion on this topic, so I surely will not stop you or try to control your thoughts. But so what that white people come from southern russia or wherever, I mean this is not anything new or interesting. Don't really know where you are going with this.

Or was your thread just an excuse to look at hot young blonde women?

december

02-07-2007, 01:04 AM

Christian gatekeeper? I am not even sure what that is.

Really? Well...
You can read David Icke's The Biggest Secret to find the answer.

...white people are called caucasian...

Can you tell me why are you using the Illuminati terminology?

bigus_dickus

02-07-2007, 01:52 AM

we live on the 20% of the surface of the planet and on the 4% of this. this is the space we occupy in the universe as species. nobody knows how long we have been here, where we came from, where we are going, what was there before etc. ancient human fossils of thousands of years ago, beyond any of our known history have been found all over the known world and that's the mere 1% of what we can explore and have explored so far. we have a better view to mars than we have to our own oceans.

space lizard

02-07-2007, 04:25 AM

barbitone

02-07-2007, 07:34 AM

I agree. They seem to be martian from my understanding. Is that so hard to believe? It all adds up.

Hahaha....african theory again eh! Just look at an african next to an asian for example. There is no way that you could get that much difference in physical form just be being in different geographical places on the Earth. Especially not in the time frame given. Impossible. Now that's shapeshifting. lol

stikmata

02-07-2007, 10:36 AM

Yacub? er, Yaaquub?

limelady

02-07-2007, 01:10 PM

White people come from mars.

This is proven when they people are placed in sensorary deprevation for a few weeks. The circadian rhythms of white people revert to the length of a day on mars, why all the other human races of the earth stay on 24 hour cycles.

next question. :cool:

Oh heck....you mean we're ALL from Mars?
Then I've definitely been given the wrong end of the stick! ;)

http://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-100/1069-1/%7B95623C9C-82F2-44D6-802D-AB77BC77BFFA%7DImg100.jpg

mada88

02-07-2007, 01:14 PM

White people come from much darker parts of the galaxy. Us vanilla faces can't handle too much sunlight.

synergy777

02-07-2007, 01:23 PM

it should be europeans not white, as there are white indians/persians/orientals etc. you only burn in the sun due to lack of melanin/pigmentation. but europeans all tan in varying degrees. as you migrated here, bred, adapted to teh enviornment, the need for melanin dissappeared, due to less sunlight and its weaker strength. asians born in england, when we go to hot countries, its takes two weeks for our skin to adapt to the new heat, we tan, its peels, then the skin left regenerates and tans normal. so even we have an adjustment peroid, due to us living in a colder environment, but eventually we return to normal.

2503

02-07-2007, 01:27 PM

I find it interesting how human beings are the only animal that squints in the sunlight(i think this is accurate). Perhaps we were not always this close to the sun, maybe it wasnt this bright on Mars??

synergy777

02-07-2007, 01:52 PM

if you white/europeans are from mars, thats why you destroy this planet and subjugate the indigenous asiatic, lol. see this is why we just do not know what planet you guys on, nevermind from. you would rather be from mars than from africa/asia, maybe you guys should move there. what happend, overmined mars, destroyed its ecology, then went on galactic imperialistic colonisation process, ya like termites/locusts. no regard for anything other than self glorifictaion, lol. only joking but see how disconnected you are from soul/earth/humanity, due to cultural conditioning, borg like. reconnect brother.

anoninnyc

02-07-2007, 06:47 PM

Really? Well...
You can read David Icke's The Biggest Secret to find the answer.

Can you tell me why are you using the Illuminati terminology?

I read the Biggest Secret but that was so long ago and much prefer his more recent work, so why don't you just tell me either the definition or the page number so that I can look it up myself.

If I am using illuminati terminology such as caucasian or white or whatever that is because it is what I learned in school and I have no other terms to use that I am aware of. Do you not use illuminati terminology?

I do not claim to have the facts.... but you have offered no new theories or ideas here either. Isn't what you said about whites coming from southern russia the accepted scientific theory? So are you spouting out illuminati propaganda? Or what are you trying to get at?

human

02-07-2007, 07:13 PM

December don't be such as asshole, he tried to answer your stupid question and you jumped on him like your some kind of authority or something. Your the type that reads one or two David Icke books and some Illuminati websites and thinks he knows everything about the Illuminati and now everyone who isn't familiar with what you now no is an idiot huh or Illuminati gate keeper...lol. Clown

elpee

02-07-2007, 09:12 PM

Well my thought is that we came from ''outta space'' somewhere, there are the old sumerian tabloits from 7000 BC Chr,some of the oldest knowledge on the planet right now,those tabloits and pieces were stolen right in the begin of the invasion of iraq by the americans, In those tabloits there a notices of some kind of landing on earth, a landing not a fall...Some kind of beeing propagate itself on the humanity.To create a problem with humaniti, to stop the evolution in a natural way and bringing us the material form and world,a smaller word in our brains..the material evolution finaly that make us dumber...
But what they did after that ? They concqer Europe where they settled kingdomes en monarchi,some parts of azie and later parts of africa ,america,australia...now the V.S is a superpower state created in 350 years who is ruling the world with all control of europe figures...
Just some of my thoughts i could be damn wrong i'm no expert on this..

excuse me for my english

anoninnyc

02-07-2007, 09:36 PM

i think that we came from africa but were then tinkered with by aliens and given some of their dna. that would make the most sense to me, but i don't really have any strong set beliefs on any of this.

danielg

02-07-2007, 10:15 PM

And the aliens evolved or devolved our genes? Negros and caucasians only differ in melanin. It is estimated to take around 10,000 years to change from negro to caucasian melanin levels... with the oldest negro remains being 200,000 and caucasian remains under 50,000 there was plenty of time for a terrestrial lol, change in pigmentation. Go back down the mitochondrial line far enough and we're all from the same prototype.

wanderer

02-07-2007, 10:27 PM

Where Did White People Come From?

Well I'm white...and for my sins...I come from Wales! :D

But seriously - Why ask? What is your point? Are you determined to wrestle back your Aryan roots from the clutches of the Illuminatii?

Well - Time is an illusion. History is an illusion. Decendancy is an illusion. 'Race' is an illusion. Skin colour is an illusion.

Better to focus our attention on finding a way out of 3D than reinforcing programmed illusory stereotypes of race and skin colour hmmm?

Peace

cheeb

02-07-2007, 11:07 PM

anoninnyc

02-07-2007, 11:26 PM

archangel

02-07-2007, 11:28 PM

cheeb

02-07-2007, 11:47 PM

I don't think the only difference between Race is Pigmentation,Melanin.

I also do not believe that the races simply emerged due to evolution based on Climate.

I can clearly see different behavioral characteristics in different races of people.

I'm sure some of this has to do with their culture and up bringing but I think it is also on a Genetic level as well

A Shetland Sheep Dog and a German Shephard are both dogs but they have unique mental, behavioral, emotional traits which seperate them. ie.-they are different.
No freind , wrong on this one,
Anthropormorphosising animals is what,
Walt Disney does,

They are one undomesticated step away from wolves,

They have been specailly bred to appeal to
the vanity of peoples aesthetics'

human values placed on animals
is narcissistic fallacy'

Basically

It don't work

POE

Power to the pooches

archangel

03-07-2007, 12:15 AM

It is pretty much generally accepted that life began in Africa. The Summerian tablets say that the "black heads" were the god's first creation to be their slaves.

So whether humans just evolved or were "created" so to speak both scenarios point to the origin of human life in africa and originate from the black race.

Now lets look at this from the evolution point of view. Life originated in Africa and is the mother of human culture and modern intelligence. The white race only evolved because blacks migrated from Africa to colder climates and over thousands of years, their genes slowly changed to Nordic in appearance.

Well this would mean the Black Race (the ones who stayed in Africa) is many thousands of years older than the white race and should have had a "head Start" so to speak. All of the great ancient civilizations should have been in Africa but this is not the case.

How did the White Race become so much more evolved physically, mathematics, engineering, architecture, etc? According to evolution, Whites are the same as blacks whose outward appearance is only different because of climate change. But why did living up in a colder climate allow them to achieve such such an extreme amount of knowledge far superior than their original african ancestors who are technically much older? it does not make sense.

All of the ancient super powers were of Nordic Heritage. How did they have such an abundance of architectual knowledge,Geometry, and Mathematics compared to all of the other races. It makes no sense why someone who simply evolved because of colder climate would become so much more advanced. It is said the ancient egyptians where white, the ancient greeks where more nordic in appearance than they are today, ancient Rome, etc.

How did the Whites (evolved africans) magically become some much more evolved in every way simply from climate change? it makes no sense.

The are only three possible scenarios that are logical IMO.

1. We are just a product of evolution, but the Gods chose to to give their knowledge only to the white race. But why the white race? what made them choose the Nordics? Are the Gods Nordic looking themselves?

2. Whites share the the most gentetic similarities with the Gods, and also were given more of their scientific knowledge.

3. Whites originated from another planet such as David Ickes Mars theory.

Whether Hitler was an evil man or not, there has to be some reasoning for what he was trying to do. I highly doubt that that he just woke up one day and said "I think blonde/hair blue eyes looks more attractive". He definately based his ideaologies on ancient Occult history.

mahabaratara

03-07-2007, 12:39 AM

I agree with wanderer...

Well said man...

cheeb

03-07-2007, 12:47 AM

Egyptians are Africans are they not,
Your racism is a very limited vocabulary,
Fit it in to support your
myopic view of the world
POE
Power to the pappyrus

rasnalgoul

03-07-2007, 01:08 AM

maybe im just an exception, but im almost fully of northern european decent, blonder hair, blue eyes, and i have no problem in the sun. Currently I have a deep dark tan, which developes every year after only a few weeks. I can stay out all day in the sun without burning. I attribute this to good health and proper diet. Also you have to build up your tan, you cant just go out and spend 8 hrs under direct sun if your white as a ghost. The reason europeans cant handle the sun is because we grow up whering clothing, and sun screen since the day were born. You could make this arguement for any body part. You could compare the feet of a eruopean person, and that of some dark skinned tribal person or something and see differences and say something along the lines like on mars the gravity is less so our feet are weaker. But the real problem is we where shoes all the time that cramp and deform our feet so they arent functional. Same with brows, we hide inside and stay up late all night and where sun glasses. Of course your going to squint when you take them off. I dont wear sun glasses and Im out in the sun all day, and never have a problem. I think alot of these differences are caused by people living out of harmony (people who live in industrial civilization) and people who still live in harmony like tribal people. Of course you could say then why are whites the ones who have the civilizations, well then your version of history is narrow and eurocentric- typical brainwashing- and you would see that all peoples who started civilizations,- chinese, mayans, native americans, indians, blah blah blah all had problems like this but some reverted to old ways while others did not.

space lizard

03-07-2007, 01:24 AM

First off, someone mentioned white people are more highly evolved than other races, - that's utter bollocks.

Also saying we have developed knowlege far beyond the africans and asians is more tripe. - native peoples medicines are free renewable natural earth grown products. Us who live in western developed cultures are prey to pharmecutical giants and school systems set up to put "another brick in the wall".

I'm only 3 weeks into all this David Icke stuff, but its tying together all the books I've read myself in my life that have come recommended by my intuition.

Don't trust Whitey, I'm saying that and I'm white. :o

I think the "God's" aliens etc, created us to gradually grow into their image.

archangel

03-07-2007, 01:36 AM

december

03-07-2007, 02:53 AM

...Hahaha....african theory again eh! Just look at an african next to an asian for example. There is no way that you could get that much difference in physical form just be being in different geographical places on the Earth. Especially not in the time frame given. Impossible. Now that's shapeshifting. lol

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White into Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.
And they also want to make us kill each other.

Europe was fooled twice already -

WWI -

http://www.collectinghistory.net/trench.jpg

http://www.makingthemodernworld.org.uk/stories/the_age_of_the_mass/04.ST.01/img/IM.1008_zl.jpg

WWII -

http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/dresden.jpg

http://www.praktica-collector.de/images/Dresden_1945.jpg

Is the WWIII around the conner?

http://www.archivist.f2s.com/bsu/indexpix/gs1.JPG__________________http://www.abc.net.au/melbourne/stories/Russian_an_m1095273.jpg

anoninnyc

03-07-2007, 04:40 AM

no one is adressing the facts here.

The most dominant civilizations of the antiquity were created by whites.
How did they get this knowledge? Why were they so advanced?

Whites could have wiped every other race on earth long ago. I just want to know why/ and how they got the knowledge and ability to do this?

Did living in a more temperate climate make them smarter?

Did Hitler make the blonde/hair blue eye "God Man" up? did he just have a fetish for nordic looking people? I think not?

I'm not try to be Racist here. But there is more to the story than basic evolution. Address the facts.

The Persians (caucasian though most europeans would not consider them white), the Ottomons, the Egyptians, the Chinese, Indian, Japanese........ what about these cultures? In fact Europeans were way behind the times compared to these groups. I think different civilizations just rise and fall. And whites are not smarter........ i.q. test wise (which is bogus anyway) ashkenazi jews are tops followed by asians. Spiritual intelligence wise my vote would not go to the europeans........ maybe certain native american groups.

archangel

03-07-2007, 04:56 AM

The Persians (caucasian though most europeans would not consider them white), the Ottomons, the Egyptians, the Chinese, Indian, Japanese........ what about these cultures? In fact Europeans were way behind the times compared to these groups. I think different civilizations just rise and fall. And whites are not smarter........ i.q. test wise (which is bogus anyway) ashkenazi jews are tops followed by asians. Spiritual intelligence wise my vote would not go to the europeans........ maybe certain native american groups.

There is much speculation that the ANCIENT egyptians where white. The majority the ancient empires were white. The thing about the white race is that they are the race who could have dominated the entire earth. I don't see any other race cabable of doing this throughout history. Yes, Other races had high culture too. Lets just expand this conversation a little bit then. Why did Whites, Chinese, and others develope high culture and other races such as blacks did not? how did climate alone dictate their accomplishments?

there has to more to the picture than basic evolution

That is the point i'm trying to make here.

megafish33

03-07-2007, 10:01 AM

Where did white people come from? lol That's a question that we will probably never have an answer for, especially since it doesn't really matter. Consider these questions? Where did reptiles come from? Birds? Ants? White and black people could easily be tossed around with those questions. See what I mean?

Here's a simple answer, white people evolved from whatever everybody else evolved from. Fertile Crescent, Africa, "Mother Russia," Southeast Asia, America, doesn't matter and we'll probably never know. Do the whites conspire for establishment positions? Yup, they're humans. Why did they "take over?" Check out Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel book.

Some of you have mentioned IQ tests... IMHO most are crap and there are so many variables. FWIW, the Ashkenazim generally scored the highest, followed by East Asians, Whites, Hispanics, Sub-Saharan Africans and Australian Aborigines. Obviously, IQ scores of different groups can vary greatly among the different nations they live in. The people in the rich countries are "smarter," or more conditioned to pass tests, better than those in poor countries... usually...

them

03-07-2007, 11:33 AM

The majority the ancient empires were white. The thing about the white race is that they are the race who could have dominated the entire earth

Majority?

http://www.sum.uio.no/research/mali/timbuktu/timbuktu_overview_800.jpg

We are all capable of being every shade imaginable between white & black.

What does that tell you?

human

03-07-2007, 04:28 PM

Why did Whites, Chinese, and others develope high culture and other races such as blacks did not? how did climate alone dictate their accomplishments?

Black race didn't develope high culture.... you know absolutely nothing of ancient history, before you post stupid shit like that go and do some research...for a few YEARS...and not watch your History channel garbage to learn about the world.

Egyptians white people....un-believable!!!!! people who have never read an entire book (other than David Ickes books) and claiming stupid theories without posting any evidence or written material at all to back it up. The oldest and largest of any civilization known to man is India and they were not white people!! How about ancient cush with the black Nubians who founded Egypt!!! How about the ancient Brahmans (A-braham) who populated all of Egypt and Middle east as well and started ancient cultures like Sumaria,babylonia,etc, etc. These were not white people in the sense that you use the term. The term Aryan did not and has not ever meant white people, it was a term meaning for a mix of people from a specific region of the world(India). So please now enlighten us with your history lessons on white people having the most cultured civilizations ever!! By the way im white and have been researching and studying ancient cultures and history for over 17 years and can tell you that greece, rome and other so called white cultures are dwarfed in comparrison to the ancient black cultures and Brown (India and Latin) and their accomplishments in science, agriculture, building, and astrology to name just a few. There have been civilizations after civilizations in africa and elsewere around the world that have come and gone for eons, some due to catastropies and others simply to time itself that were 10 times more than what we have now here in america, we dont have shit here in america that can be compared to their brilliance and expertiese back then. The question should not be were did white people come from, it should be what are humans made of? If you want to understand that question and get a good answer for it go read "The Secret Doctrine" By Helena Blavatsky.

archangel

03-07-2007, 05:48 PM

why not educate me instead of rambling and babbling?

Did I not say other races too? Why did some become more advanced and others did not?

Just for the record though, even modern day eygptians do not look like traditional africans, they are more middle eastern in appearnace than the southern africans.

Lets rephrase this question then, How did indians (from INDIA) make such developements while Native Americans made nothing comparable and at the same time blacks in African were hanging Rocks from the Penis to stretch it out (still to this day).

also, where did Hitler get his blonde hair blue eyes ideal from? Do u think it was completely made up? No reasoning behind it what so ever?

Why are the major ruling blood lines of the earth from the White Race?

them

03-07-2007, 07:19 PM

Why did Whites, Chinese, and others develope high culture and other races such as blacks did not? how did climate alone dictate their accomplishments?

Did I not say other races too? Why did some become more advanced and others did not?

I can offer you a theory, just like that..

Climate does dictate your lifestyle; it's easy for all of us to think of how that's manifest at different longitudes, latitudes and altitudes all over the Earth.

If you inhabited paradise 60 000 years ago, the rift valley & the Savannahs of Africa for example, life would have been very easy without having to expend too much energy. Laid back, lazy even.

If you left paradise and ended up inhabiting Scotland, The Island of Lewis lets say, life would be harder. You would have to change your behaviour, have a long term strategy for surviving the short days of winter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/400/tommycooprer_3.jpg

Rift Valley
http://www.bookinafrica.com/images-product/vicfalls7-6664-MAIN.jpg
Lewis
http://www.megalithia.com/callanish/9605408.jpg

anoninnyc

03-07-2007, 07:46 PM

Lets rephrase this question then, How did indians (from INDIA) make such developements while Native Americans made nothing comparable and at the same time blacks in African were hanging Rocks from the Penis to stretch it out (still to this day).

also, where did Hitler get his blonde hair blue eyes ideal from? Do u think it was completely made up? No reasoning behind it what so ever?

Why are the major ruling blood lines of the earth from the White Race?

Now let me rephrase my question........ why do you consider the Indians' (from India) achievements more important than that of the Native Americans? Did the Native Americans not have the right idea to tread lightly upon the land and live in harmony with nature? Why must we judge how advanced a civilization is by how they are able to warp nature or conquer other people?

I think you are asking some interesting questions....... where the Aryan ideal came from. (side note- hitler missused the term aryan, which is really the word for the iranians and the people who entered into india) and why white people are the majority of the ruling elite. This is especially interesting as if we would go by the i.q.s as someone else mentioned on this thread, white people are pretty middle range with ashkenazis and east asians doing better and hispanics, blacks and then aboriginals following after whites.

synergy777

03-07-2007, 07:59 PM

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0307/ET14-8222.html

Hebrews And Vedic Brahmins

BY DR. SAMAR ABBAS, ALIGARH, INDIA

EDITORIAL, Jul 14 (VNN) — A Review

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In 1979 the Oriental Institute at Baroda published a paper entitled "The Hebrews belong to a branch of Vedic Aryans." This was a follow-up to a previous article on the same topic published by the same author, Prof. Madan Mohan Shukla, in the Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal in 1976. The basic thesis of these papers is that the Hebrews represent an offshoot of Vedic Brahmins. It may be instructive to review Shukla's papers as they serve to illustrate the common origin of the Jews and Brahmins. As Shukla's papers are very difficult to obtain both within and outside India, and are virtually out of reach for laypersons, I am reproducing extensive tracts from them for reference purposes.

1. VOCABULARY

One of Shukla's strong points is the considerable vocabulary shared by Hebrew and Sanskrit. Indeed, M.M.Shukla has concentrated on providing a large list of of words which are common to Hebrew and Sanskrit. Thus, he provides the following examples:

"The word, 'Sva?' means 'heaven' or 'paradise' in Sanskrit. This word, written as 'svam' may assume the form, 'Sam-yim' which means, 'sky' and/or 'heaven' in Hebrew, while it may become 'Asvah' under the influence of the principle of vowelization. Sometimes, the sound 'a' may change to 'ya' and thus, the derivation, 'Asvah' or 'Asuah' may change to 'Yasuah' which is nearer to a Hebrew word, 'Yasuah' (= salvation).... It may be mentioned that 'Appa' is a Marathi word. The derivation 'Appa' may further change to 'Abba' (p=b), which is a Hebrew word... Now let us consider the root-word 'Svas'. It may change first to 'Vas' and thence to Bas or 'Bes' which is a Hebrew word though with different meaning, ie. 'daughter'." (Shukla 1979, p.45)

He also suggests that Surios gave rise to Kurios, or Kur (ibid., p.48) Shukla notes that 'Abru' and 'Uparohita' exist in Persian and Avadhi Hindi, distinct from Skt. bhru and purohita (Shukla 1979, p.44)

Describing the process of vowelization, he notes, "the Punjabis would pronounce the words station, putra and K???a as satation, puttar, and Kishan respectively." (Shukla 1976, p.41)

Building upon this, he writes, "the word Joasava may be transformed into Joasaph, from which the derivation of the word Joseph is a simple matter. Thus we can see that the Biblical name Joseph can be derived from an ancient Indian name, jayasva." (Shukla 1976, p.42)

Continuing in this line, he notes, "Adam. This word seems to have been derived from the Sanskrit word A-dityam, from the Vedic pronunciation of this word as A-ditiam." (Shukla 1976, p.45)

In addition, "The meaning of the root-word as in Sanskrit is 'to eat', and 'to enjoy' or 'to be merry'. Hence if we pronounce the term upasana as 'upasana', then it would mean, 'Eating before God', and 'Being merry before God.'" (Shukla 1976, p.46)

Another striking similarity exists with regard to script: "Now, the Hebrew script, like those of Arabic and Kaithi, does not use the word signs to indicate the pronunciation of its consonants." (Shukla 1976, p.44).

2. PRIESTHOOD

One of the strongest points for a common Brahmin-Jewish origin is the fact that both communities have been endogamous priests from the earliest times of their recorded history: "Chosen People of God: It may also be observed in this respect that the Hebrews, as well as their Indian counterparts, Brahmins, consider themselves as the "Chosen People of God". The Hebrews started their corporate career in history as a "Kingdom of Priests" (Exodus/19/6). Likewise, the Brahmins have also been a "Community of Priests" since the dawn of their history." (Shukla 1979, p.54)

The colonialists were the first to notice the similarity between Brahmins and Jews, namely that Brahma not only corresponds with Abraham, but that his consort Sarasvati corresponds to Sarah. Shukla also notes the story in Genesis 29, 32-33, 20/12.

3. BIBLICAL FIGURES

Citing his own work 'The Holy Bible - A Source book of Ancient indian History', a paper submitted to All Indian Oriental Conference (1976) held at Dharwar, he notes that "We have already tried to equate Brahma, Sarasvati, Manu and Bali with the Biblical Abraham, Sarai, Noah and Peleg." (Shukla 1979, p.53) Not only that, but Shukla holds that the Jewish Laban and Brahmanic Lavana coincide:

"It is noteworthy to note in the above context that the sister of Lavana on the Indian side becomes the daughter of Laban in the Biblical account. It may also be mentioned in this respect that while Sarasvati is said to be the daughter of Brahma in accordance with the Indian tradition, her Biblical counterpart, Sarai, has been described as the sister of Abraham. In this context, we would like to remind our readers of a previous discussion of 'Svas', the root-word of the Sanskrit 'svasar' (sister) which becomes 'Bes' to mean 'daughter' in the Hebrew language." (Shukla 1979, p.54)

Equally striking is Shukla's derivation of 'Mary' from 'Matri': "the words 'Mary' and 'Mariam' could be derived from a Sanskrit word, mat?, meaning 'mother'." (Shukla 1976, p.42)

"Similarly the word, 'Mari' or 'Mary' may also be derived from Sanskrit 'Matri'." [ and Shukla notes that Mary is worshipped as a mother goddess. ]... "The word Adam is derived from a Hebrew word, 'Adamah' which means 'the earth'. Similarly the Skt. 'Adityam' is derived from 'Aditi' which also means the Earth. Hence the primary meaning of both the words, 'Adam' and Adityam would be 'earthly one'. (Shukla 1979, p.47)

His papers provide detailed etymologies of the word 'Abraham':

"The word 'Adam' can also be derived from Sanskrit 'Adityam' with the help of the rule of haplology also. Haplology is the name given by Bloomfield to the phenomenon where of the two similar syllables following each other, one is dropped. The word 'Adityam' will change to 'Adam' under the influence of this rule in the following way: -

Adityam -> Adatam -> Adadam (t = d) = Adam (Haplology)

It would be interesting to note here that the Sanskrit 'Adityam', represented by the same rule would change to 'Aton':

Adityan -> Aditan -> Atadan (d=t) -> Atan ->: Aten /Aton (Shukla 1979, p.48) This is interesting, for it provides an Indo-European derivation for the Egyptian God Aton.

Moreover, "the Vayu Purana mentions Manu as Bharata" (Shukla 1979, p.56)

Intriguing is Shukla's derivation of Rcam: "We may consider another Sanskrit word, 'Rcam' which may become Arcam and then 'Aleichem' (r=l) which is a Hebrew word." (Shukla 1979, p.46)

Shukla also provides certain other etymologies, and repeatedly derives Adam from Adityam, and Mary from Matr (Shukla 1979, p.46) He also postulates a derivation of Gr. Adonis from Aton, and notes that Heb Adonay = Lord. (ibid., p.48).

"It can be shown that the Hebrew word, 'Elohim' can be derived from the Skt. 'Brahma':

Brahma -> Ibrahim (rule of vowelization) -> Ibrahim (rule of stress) -> Ilohim (r=l) -> Elohim

Hence the expression 'Adonay Elohim; becomes equivalent to the Skt. 'Aditya-Brahma'." (Shukla 1979, p.48)

Furthermore, he notes, "Savit? = Savitru (? -> ru) -> Sabiru (v=b) = Habitru (s=h)" -> Habiru = Habiru = PR Egyptian, Apiru, Ibru, Ibri, Ibrin." (Shukla 1979, p.51)

Another etymology is: (Shukla 1979, p.53)

Iksaku -> Issvahu (no k) -> Issahu (va -> a) -> Ishak, Isaac.

more at the link

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisads/aryan-invasion.html

the myth of the aryan invasion By Svami B.V. Giri

Introduction
The aryan invasion theory has been one of the most controversial historical topics for well over a century. However, it should be pointed out that it remains just that – a theory. To date no hard evidence has proven the aryan invasion theory to be fact. In this essay we will explain the roots of this hypothesis and how, due to recent emergence of new evidence over the last couple of decades, the validity of the aryan invasion theory has been seriously challenged.

It is indeed ironic that the origin of this theory does not lie in Indian records, but in 19th Century politics and German nationalism. No where in the Vedas, Puranas or Itihasas is there any mention of a Migration or Invasion of any kind. In 1841 M.S. Elphinstone, the first governor of the Bombay Presidency, wrote in his book History of India:

'It is opposed to their (Hindus) foreign origin, that neither in the Code (of Manu) nor, I believe, in the Vedas, nor in any book that is certainly older than the code, is there any allusion to a prior residence or to a knowledge of more than the name of any country out of India. Even mythology goes no further than the Himalayan chain, in which is fixed the habitation of the gods... .To say that it spread from a central point is an unwarranted assumption, and even to analogy; for, emigration and civilization have not spread in a circle, but from east to west. Where, also, could the central point be, from which a language could spread over India, Greece, and Italy and yet leave Chaldea, Syria and Arabia untouched? There is no reason whatever for thinking that the Hindus ever inhabited any country but their present one, and as little for denying that they may have done so before the earliest trace of their records or tradition.’
The Birth of a Misconception
Interest in the field of Indology during the 19th Century was of mixed motivations. Many scholars such as August Wilhelm von Schlegal, Hern Wilhelm von Humboldt, and Arthur Schopenhauer lauded praise upon the Vedic literatures and their profound wisdom, others were less than impressed. To accept that there was an advanced civilization outside the boundaries of Europe, at a time before the Patriarchs Abraham and Moses had made their covenant with the Almighty was impossible to conceive of for most European scholars, who harbored a strong Christian tendency. Most scholars of this period were neither archeologists nor historians in the strict sense of the word. Rather, they were missionaries paid by their governments to establish western cultural and racial superiority over the subjugated Indian citizens, through their study of the indigenous religious texts. Consequently, for racial, political and religious reasons, early European indologists created a myth that still survives to this day.

It was established by linguists that Sanskrit, Iranian and European languages all belonged to the same family, categorizing them as ‘Indo-European’ languages. It was assumed that all these people originated from one homeland where they spoke a common language (which they called ‘Proto-Indo-European’ or PIE) which later developed into Sanskrit, Latin, Greek etc. They then needed to ascertain where this homeland was. By pure speculation, it was proposed that this homeland was either southeast Europe or Central Asia.

more at the link.

i am aryan, 100%. so stop hijacking my culture, you don't have me wanting to be germanic do you. you claim is based on nutters like adolf hitler, max muller and madame blavtsky, jokers. human, cheers bro.

human

03-07-2007, 07:59 PM

Q: Why did some become more advanced and others did not?
A: Because you have to understand that life goes in cycles like birth,youth,adult,old age. Eons ago there were great races who were much older as far as time goes(cycle) who learned many great things such as astronomy, sciences, building, weaponry, etc, etc. These races had gone thru a type of trial and error for a very, very long time and during this time there were other races who were lower on the rung if you will as far as a cyclic time here on earth who had not learned yet many of the things other races had. Same as today you have people (of all colors) who are very smart in many ways and others who are not and are lacking in Knowlege. Many of these races and people actually looked up to certain races as Gods because of their wisdom and many of our stories from ancient history show this.

Q: Just for the record though, even modern day eygptians do not look like traditional africans, they are more middle eastern in appearnace than the southern africans.
A: Yes that is true, because of migrations of people from India who are a light to dark brown skin, these people became known among other names as the Hyksos people who intermarried with many of the Nubian races in times past to create a lighter skinned people. These people brought their religion from India which today is known as Judaeism thru Abraham who was called Brahma in India to Egypt and Ethiopia and later changed names and stories to become Judaeism.

Q:Lets rephrase this question then, How did indians (from INDIA) make such developements while Native Americans made nothing comparable and at the same time blacks in African were hanging Rocks from the Penis to stretch it out (still to this day).
A: Again cycles of times for certain races, but, the American Indians were very advanced if you understand what advanced means in those times, it is not how big a building is or how many they had or anything as you seem to assume, but, it is about their knowlege of medicines and workings of Nature and the spirits that control it, this is far more advanced than we have today and we the white people killed them off, how advanced is that? not all black races today as your racist thoughts say hanged rocks from their penises (put down the national geographic and do some research) they built huge cities and empires throught Ethiopia and all of africa and were well advanced in astronomy(Which means so much more than looking at stars my friend) medicines, nature and so on and so on.

Q:also, where did Hitler get his blonde hair blue eyes ideal from? Do u think it was completely made up? No reasoning behind it what so ever?

A: Who gives a Fuck, he was a follower of the left hand path, black magik in its most powerful form and to tell the truth he got it from the mis-understanding of Aryan vedic philosophies which were later mis-translated by other idiots into a white man, blue eyed philosophie which it never ever was and he ran with it and used it to control stupid fucks who didn't know any better because they were ignorant just like today.

Q: Why are the major ruling blood lines of the earth from the White Race?
A: They may be white the majority of them, but, remember they dont give a dam about that, it is a hive mentality and control over these so called people from forces not from this dimension as Icke explains quite well and this has been known for eons by all the great cultures of the world, that we live in a multidimensional world and many have been controlled by those in different dimensions for eons, hence the "Illuminati".

Archangle these are things that can be researched easily if you choose too and can help bring about an awareness of the world and how it is controlled and why history is fabricated and distorted to a large degree.

synergy777

03-07-2007, 08:03 PM

later on , mistyer max, spills teh beans, lol

Max Mueller
What is an ‘Aryan’?
The Sanskrit word ‘Aryan’ refers to one who is righteous and noble. It is also used in the context of addressing a gentleman (Arya-putra, Aryakanya etc). 6 Nowhere in the Vedic literature is the word used to denote race or language. This was a concoction by Max Mueller who, in 1853, introduced the word ‘Arya’ into the English language as referring a particular race and language. He did this in order to give credibility to his Aryan race theory (see Part 2). However in 1888, when challenged by other eminent scholars and historians, Mueller could see that his reputation was in jeopardy and made the following statement, thus refuting his own theory -

"I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language...to me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar."

(Max Mueller, Biographies of Words and the Home of the Aryas, 1888, pg 120)

ask yourself how can you be white eygptians, aryans, british israeli, suffer from multliple personality disorder do we, lol can't you go beyond the mythic greek/rome , they learnt from egypt/persia, and they taught/civilised you. the north euroepans, were known as barb-arians to greeks/romans. this god complex you have, it couldn't be an arrogant self defence mechanism could it, lol emperors new clothes, lol

synergy777

03-07-2007, 08:04 PM

human, bro, i'd buy you a pint/curry anyday, nice 1

bigus_dickus

03-07-2007, 08:41 PM

the north euroepans, were known as barb-arians to greeks/romans. this god complex you have, it couldn't be an arrogant self defence mechanism could it, lol emperors new clothes, lol

barbarians were considered everyone who was not greek by the greeks. and it is very simple, because the original meaning of the word meant "speaking babble", from the verb borborizo (vorvorezo) which meant "to mumble". which meant that they couldn't understand the language, because it was not greek.

the romans later used this word to mean anyone who was not greek or roman.

it is the same word as you say "alien" in english, for someone of a foreign country.

synergy777

03-07-2007, 08:54 PM

bigus_dickus

03-07-2007, 09:03 PM

elpee

03-07-2007, 10:34 PM

There is much speculation that the ANCIENT egyptians where white. The majority the ancient empires were white. The thing about the white race is that they are the race who could have dominated the entire earth. I don't see any other race cabable of doing this throughout history. Yes, Other races had high culture too. Lets just expand this conversation a little bit then. Why did Whites, Chinese, and others develope high culture and other races such as blacks did not? how did climate alone dictate their accomplishments?

there has to more to the picture than basic evolution

That is the point i'm trying to make here.

This is my opinion I think black race is more ''pure'' than the white race...It's maybe the thing that Africa for a example had been less manipulated mentaly, en been beat more physicly than the white race ? They white race had/is gettin full bombed with propaganda/brain damage stuff and the blacks not, at least less...White race have the need to dominate I guess! Somethin that the africans and very more the tebitans and what so ever had is that they Can't be unhappy with themselfs..something we can see in our society in so many people!!Some kind of self inferiority complex( if that's the right word?) is in the head of so many people i guess..
"Our society''whatever that is gave many blacke people in africa jaloesie..so they could be controled.:mad:

anoninnyc

03-07-2007, 10:53 PM

human, bro, i'd buy you a pint/curry anyday, nice 1

synergy are you indian or iranian? do you think that they were originally the same people?

cheeb

03-07-2007, 11:26 PM

barbarian was anyone foreign, not as cultured as greeks/romans, as in those days they were quite snobbish, being the powerful empire. so they saw everyone foriegn, or imperial subjects as inferior, notice the pattern bro? this happens also on a economic/class/caste/colour etc.

funny thing about this word babarians,
In south west England and southern Eire

Lots of pubs, place names ,are called:
Turks Head,Saracens,Barbican.

When I was living in the Scilly Isles
(also known as, Lyoness or Araianna{top of the mountain,}Ayran-pre flood)

Well I asked the landlord of the only pub-The Turks Head
WHY?

He told me that in the past Pirates
from the Barbary Coast used to do raids'
there and abduct people into slavery!

He was a bit of a story teller!

But the facts did seem to add up
As is mentioned in R. Louis Stephensons'
Robinson Crusoe(standard fare on the Scilly Isles)

Where the Barbarians(from W. Coast of Africa)
Moors!-abducted people, although mostly from ships
and held them,as slaves or ransom.

A lot of the captives though "jumped ship" as it is
and became pirates themselves

Edward Teech-Blackbeard (a Curnow folk hero)

Apparently,
The British Empire,
was founded by
Poachers turned Gamekeepers, as it were.
The East India Co being an example

Pagans/Infedels is a similar word to describe non beleivers/outsiders

BTW Synergy
While i was on the Isles,me & my mate met a couple of models
and their friend Charlie.
Long story short
Models, Charlie and Champagne,
What happened next..........

The model was/is an A list
on t.v the other night,

Let me just say,
"a rolling stone gathers no ..........."

Life has been a bit of an anti-climax since....DOH

POE
Power to the Peteful

straycat

04-07-2007, 12:28 AM

Why is it white is dominant gene?
When you breed any other nationality with white the result is more white.
Just an observation, and even generations latter the white traits remain dominant.
May be white is a result of gumbo?
Like a dog we whites are the mutts.

december

04-07-2007, 01:17 AM

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA)

In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b (M343) (previously called Hg1 and Eu18) is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe.

Its frequency is highest in Western Europe, especially in Atlantic Europe (and due to European emigration, in North America, South America, and Australia). In southern England, the frequency of R1b is about 70%, and in parts of Spain, Portugal, France, Wales, and Ireland, the frequency of R1b is greater than 90%. Bryan Sykes in his book Blood of the Isles gives the populations associated with R1b the name of Oisín for a clan patriarch, much as he did for mitochondrial haplogroups in his work The Seven Daughters of Eve. Stephen Oppenheimer also deals with this population group in his book Origins of the British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Y-Haplogroup_R1_distribution.png

Distribution of R1a (purple) and R1b (red)

Y Haplogroup R1b

The members of R1b are believed to be the descendants of the first modern humans who entered Europe about 35,000-40,000 years ago ( Aurignacian culture). Those R1b forebearers were the people who painted the beautiful art in the caves in Spain and France. They were the contemporaries (and perhaps exterminators) of the European Neanderthals.

R1b is the most common Y haplogroup in Europe - more than half of men of European descent belong to R1b. Fourteen of the 30 most common haplotypes in the YSTR.org database are typical of R1b. (Those haplotypes can be seen here). The haplogroup R1b is defined by an SNP called P25. It has been found that all European R1b's have an additional mutation called M269. Therefore the 2003 version of the YCC nomenclature named the group defined by M269 as R1b3. However this group is still often referred to as R1b to avoid confusion between the 2002 and 2003 nomenclatures.

Since the majority of men of European descent belong to R1b, this group has the highest risk of so called "accidental" matches - matches due to an accidental convergence of long separated R1b lines, rather than due to recent kinship. Most different surname matches among R1b's are probably of this variety. In general, the closer a haplotype is to the R1b modal haplotype, the more of these accidental matches that will be seen. You can read more about accidental matches here.

While several R1b sub-groups have been found, it turns out that they are only seen in very small percentages of R1b's. The majority of men in R1b belong to none of the known sub-groups and are therefore most properly classified as R1b* (or R1b3* in the 2003 YCC nomenclature). However the R1b*s can be divided into two large identifiable groups by the results of a RFLP test of the 49a,f Taq/I locus. The R1b*'s in Western Europe mostly have 49a,f Taq/I results that are categorized as ht15. The R1b*'s seen in Turkey, and Iraq have a different 49a,f Taq/I haplotype known as ht35. Al-Zahery et al in their paper on Iraq theorize that ht35 is actually the ancestral haplotype for R1b3*s. Cinnioglu et al speculate that the ht35 R1b*s may have spent the Last Glacial Maximum in an Asia Minor refugium while the ht15 R1b*s were in an Iberian refugium.

The allele frequency graphs below show that the STRs for the two 49a,f Taq/I haplotypes are nearly identical. The main differences are the alleles at DYS393 and DYS461. Considering that these two lines of R1b*s have been separated for more than 15,000 years it is remarkable how little drift has occurred between their modal haplotypes.

Weale's paper on Armenian Y chromosomes shows many HG1 haplotypes with DYS393=12 - so it can be guessed that many of these R1b*'s may have been ht35.

A comparison between the allele frequencies for R1b* and two of the Basque sub-groups of R1b can be seen here.

The distribution of R1b* in Europe can be seen as the group colored in green on the map on the second page of Semino's paper on European Y chromosomes.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dgarvey/DNA/hg/YCC_R1b.html

december

04-07-2007, 02:29 AM

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

http://www.crystalinks.com/trojanwar.jpg

The Nordic-Iranian type.
By J. Lawrence Angel. The Daniel Baugh Institute of Anatomy, of the Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

From "A RACIAL ANALYSIS OF THE ANCIENT GREEKS: AN ESSAY ON THE USE OF MORPHOLOGICAL TYPES. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY. vol. 2 Number 4.

The name Nordic-Iranian is compounded for type D because it contains slightly divided tendencies. They heavy Nordic-Iranian skull is large, long, and high, with long base and peculiarly deep occiput. A well-filled appearance and a smooth-contoured ellipsoid or ovoid norma verticalis set off the skull’s sharply cut muscle attachments and well developed browridges. Considerable backward tilt of the frontal goes with a receding and capacious forehead. Like the frontal the parietals are smooth and week-bossed with very little lambdoid flattening, though some occipital “overlap” may tend to occur. A powerful torus divides the full cerebellar region from the cerebral bulge of the occiput above, and the appreciable depth of the rear third of the vault is reflected in the long occipital arc. The high, leptoprosopic, face is rectangular, combining broad forehead and jowls with relatively narrow midfacial region. Thus the noticeably drooping orbits are enclosed by large but compressed and slightly retreating cheekbones, and slight midfacial protrusion supports the aquiline nose.

This nose is large in all dimensions, high at root and bridge, concavo-convex and markedly salient in profile, with a strongly jutting spine. The long and high-arched palate shows neither the modern “Gothic” narrowing nor any alveolar prognathism. The jaw is big and rugged, with some eversion of the widely spread angles and cleft and relatively deep chin whose lack of prominence suits a variable trend toward a convex facial profile. A reduction in size of the upper third molars seems unconnected with other masticatory features.

The Nordic-Iranian type is fairly homogeneous, though it masks some diverse trends (1), and excess variability is centered in the minimum frontal and upper facial breadths as well as parietal length and nose height.

These regional variabilities suggest Central European Nordic versus Near Eastern contrast. It is not surprising that Nordic-Iranians show no significant differences from Bajuvars from Munich Reinhengräber (Kramp, ’38, and Wallis in Coon, p. 664, table 44) as seen in table 12:

Though Bajuvars have a less rectangular face and more Alpinoid traits that are perceptible in Greek Nordic-Iranians. On the other hand the Tepe Hissar North Iranian Proto-Nordics (Krogman, ‘ 40) show exaggerated deviation from the Nordic-Iranian type because of their consistently marked linearity and lack of any Alpinoid trends (2)

Resemblances to southeast English Anglo-Saxons (Layard and Young, in Brash, ’35) and to medieval monks of central Ireland (Howells, ’41) are adequate to confirm the Nordic direction of the type’s deviation from the total series of Greeks and show up the Palaeolithic survivor elements in these northwest Europeans. The Nordic-Iranian’s overlap with the Basic White is obvious, just as Nordic and Atlanto-Mediterranean types overlap elsewhere, but ten significant metric and individual difference are enough to show that they are not simply facial variants of a single type (3).

These comparisons greatly strengthen the case for an historic Iranian-Nordic racial continuity (Coon, ’39, p. 128) from the Capsian to Scandinavia, and they suggest eastern and northern origins for the Nordic-Iranian type in Greece.

1) Nordic-Iranians include four of the original subgroups: D1, the “Iron Age Nordic” (Coon, ’39, pp. 292-293), with full ad cylindrical vault, almost mesocrane, with big forehead and rectangular face well set back beneath it, drooping rhomboid orbits, retreating checkbones; D2, the “Corded Nordic” (Coon, ’39, p. 85 and table 12, Debetz, ’30), with high, narrow, ellipsoid vault and heavy browridges overhanging horizontal orbits-features which become less extreme in the Iron than in the Bronze Age in Central Europe; D4, the Aegean-Anatolian version of the “Iranian” type, with medium-large, bluntly gabled, rounded pentagonoid to byrsoid vault, narrow forehead, and characteristically deep, down-bulging occiput, with rectangular face, high rhomboid orbits, a notably big and sweepingly salient hawklike nose, and resulting convex profile linked with retreating chin and short ramus of deep and tilted jaw (all these features being less extreme in Greece than in Vallois’ (’39) illfilled, hyperdolichocrane, broad-nose, prognathus Proto-Iranian type at Sialk); and D3, an intermediate Iranian-Mediterranean form, short-faced, and approximating Coon’s Danubian and Cappadocian types (Coon, ’39, pp. 85, 137-139).

2) Since ancient Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Iranians, and other inhabitants of the arid Near East consistently from all the Greek morphological types and from Europeans in general in their much greater linearity of vault and face, it seems likely that this linearity is largely and environmentally conditioned (climate, soil minerals, diet, water intake) feature which would tend to disappear in any group migrating to a less arid region.

3) There is no reason to suppose that the Nordic-Iranian type in Greece was as blond as are Nordics in northern latitudes. In modern Greece the type shows brunet as well as blond individuals.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/110484227/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://www.hypatia-lovers.com/images/Antinous.jpg

december

05-07-2007, 05:33 PM

Hahaha....african theory again eh! Just look at an african next to an asian for example. There is no way that you could get that much difference in physical form just be being in different geographical places on the Earth. Especially not in the time frame given. Impossible. Now that's shapeshifting. lol

When I look at this map I wonder what is the ground of the "Out of Africa" theory? -

:confused:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Y-Haplogroup_R1_distribution.png

Distribution of R1a (purple) and R1b (red)

In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b (M343) (previously called Hg1 and Eu18) is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

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Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

anoninnyc

05-07-2007, 08:43 PM

synergy777

05-07-2007, 08:54 PM

december here a well respected dna company, used on ch4 tv programme 100% english, which i used to support my asiatic/indo european migration. lol bro, why go against the flow? december should rename himself king canute, if this water was russian, it would go back, lol

synergy777

05-07-2007, 08:59 PM

december here a well respected dna company, used on ch4 tv programme 100% english, which i used to support my asiatic/indo european migration. although i used it before the tv programme, dates of my posts on the old forum should verify this, in fact the echelon/carnovore/google and other data collectors should all verify my posts, lol. bro, why go against the flow? december should rename himself king canute, if this water was russian, it would go back, lol

http://www.dnaheritage.com/default.asp

http://www.dnaheritage.com/masterclass2.asp

SNP's and Haplogroups

-What are haplogroups?

The topic of haplogroups is becoming an increasing source of interest with those that have received their Y-chromosome haplotypes. This is because your haplotype can give you hints to your ancient origins.

We’ve all seen illustrations that show the evolutionary branches of primates, and how millions of years ago, chimpanzees, gorillas, gibbons, and orang-utans diverged off from our primate family tree.

Man (hominids) went off in a different evolutionary direction, and there have been several different lines that have since died off, Neanderthals being a notable example. With his origins in Africa, modern man has spread himself around the globe. As he did so, he adapted to his surroundings. These adaptations can be seen in the lightened skin colour due to the lack of sun away from the equator, stockier build as observed in peoples in the Arctic regions to maintain body-heat, and better oxygen absorption capability as seen in inhabitants of mountainous, oxygen-poor regions eg sherpas.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6605/worldmigration2ug8.gif

more at the link.

1 love, peace.

december

05-07-2007, 10:31 PM

why do the illuminati want to destroy the white people's culture and heritage?

To make the white people forget their history.
It is easier to control people with no memory and knowledge of who they are.

...and do they do this to other ethnic or racial groups as well?

Yes.

...how is this any different than the destruction of the native americans culture?

This is not any different.

But let me ask you - how is this any different than the destruction of the culture, history and even languages of the nations of the Soviet Union that took place from 1917 till 1991?

The Soviet leadership wanted to turn everyone into one Soviet nation with the history that begins only in 1917 (the year of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia), and paint all nations in one red color...

http://davno.ru/img/posters/propaganda1/poster_01_01.jpg

anoninnyc

05-07-2007, 10:50 PM

it is no different, december. but next time could you get to your point earlier in the thread please? this is actually a very interesting subject of discussion. i personally think it is a shame what christianity (or rather paulism) has done to the culture of europe. so many different and interesting religions and folklore forgotten or neglected such as that of the druids and vikings.... and who knows what else.

also look at how islam has made much of the knowledge of the persians forgotten. and the list goes on and on for all parts of the world.

so you are saying it is a nwo plot to make people forget their roots and culture so that they are more easily manipulated and controlled? makes sense to me. but perhaps there is another dimension and bits of knowledge of either a scientific or a spiritual nature that they want us to forget.

december

05-07-2007, 11:07 PM

it is no different, december. but next time could you get to your point earlier in the thread please?

I am sorry, but why are you lecturing me, anoninnyc? Are you trying to be rude just because I don't support your Out Of Africa theory?
And WHAT POINT are you talking about?

In case you didn't get it the first time - I asked the question "Where Did White People Come From?" so that was my point.

If you know the asnswer then let us know, but no more Illuminati propaganda, please.... :)

According to white-history site -

"Many modern day Whites are either direct or part descendants of a great wave of White peoples who swept into Europe from about 5500 BC till around 500 BC. These peoples, Nordic in terms of the White racial sub-groupings, had their original heartland in the region known today as central and southern Russia. (Genetic studies of European populations which have emerged since the year 2000 have confirmed the Indo-European invasion, but have also shown that it was not as numerically overwhelming as previously thought)".

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5_files/flood4.jpg

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5.htm

december

05-07-2007, 11:28 PM

december here a well respected dna company, used on ch4 tv programme 100% english...

Looks like it is the Illuminati dna company...

...which i used to support my asiatic/indo european migration. although i used it before the tv programme, dates of my posts on the old forum should verify this, in fact the echelon/carnovore/google and other data collectors should all verify my posts, lol. bro, why go against the flow? december should rename himself king canute, if this water was russian, it would go back, lol

But take a look at the map you posted - it shows Summer (Babylon) as the center of the world's beginning (which is BULL SHIT) and NOT your India.

http://www.dnaheritage.com/default.asp

http://www.dnaheritage.com/masterclass2.asp

SNP's and Haplogroups

-What are haplogroups?

The topic of haplogroups is becoming an increasing source of interest with those that have received their Y-chromosome haplotypes. This is because your haplotype can give you hints to your ancient origins.

So?
What's knew about that?

But why didn't they mention that there are DIFFERENT haplotypes? They just "forgot" about it... Correct? :)

Even in Europe there TWO main haplotypes - R1a and R1b.

Man (hominids) went off in a different evolutionary direction, and there have been several different lines that have since died off, Neanderthals being a notable example. With his origins in Africa, modern man has spread himself around the globe.

Well, here we go again - we all Neanderthals who came out of Africa...
But before we did so we used to be... chimpanzees...

But who built the pyramids in Egypt?

december

05-07-2007, 11:48 PM

Syn777, did you notice that these two maps are kind of close.

If you ignore the point number 1 (in Africa) than you can see that there is not much difference here.
Those who draw the second map shifted the center/starting point (in Summer/Babylon) South of the Black Sea...
Actually South-East of it...

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5_files/flood4.jpg

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6605/worldmigration2ug8.gif

http://www.tryukraine.com/images/black_sea.jpg

anoninnyc

06-07-2007, 12:03 AM

I am sorry, but why are you lecturing me, anoninnyc? Are you trying to be rude just because I don't support your Out Of Africa theory?
And WHAT POINT are you talking about?

In case you didn't get it the first time - I asked the question "Where Did White People Come From?" so that was my point.

If you know the asnswer then let us know, but no more Illuminati propaganda, please.... :)

According to white-history site -

"Many modern day Whites are either direct or part descendants of a great wave of White peoples who swept into Europe from about 5500 BC till around 500 BC. These peoples, Nordic in terms of the White racial sub-groupings, had their original heartland in the region known today as central and southern Russia. (Genetic studies of European populations which have emerged since the year 2000 have confirmed the Indo-European invasion, but have also shown that it was not as numerically overwhelming as previously thought)".

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5_files/flood4.jpg

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5.htm

You are correct, reading what I actually wrote now I realize I was being rude. Sorry about that, it was unkind and rude of me.

I am not wedded to the out of africa theory. so far i think that humans came from africa and then were later fiddled with by aliens, but i just think this, i don't KNOW it.

The point that I had mistakenly thought you were trying to make is that white people are being removed from their roots/knowledge of their culture to make them easier to control for the nwo. i didn't realize that your only point was that whites originally came from southern russia. is this not the generally accepted theory anyway? how is this not illuminati propaganda just as you claim that the out of africa theory is? and please note that i am not saying that the out of africa theory is not illuminati propagands. i have not studied this enough to really have any strong opinions on the topic.

if your only point is that whites come from southern russia is that somehow tied into what you said about the russian history being erased? i really don't mean any offense when i say so what that whites come from southern russia. it sounds just like the starter to a conversation about something else. please educate me as i don't know much about this topic. what is the importance of whites coming from southern russia?

megafish33

06-07-2007, 12:10 AM

Maybe the humanoids came from Africa but civilization itself started in the Mid east, Eastern Europe, Russia area? Caucasus Mountains....:confused:

them

06-07-2007, 12:16 AM

http://www.chinafrontier.com/spencer14.jpg

Dr Spencer Wells aka Indiana Genes..

The Genographic Project Part One

Part Two

Part Three - The Phoenician Imprint

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0508/excerpt1.html?fs=www3.nationalgeographic.com&fs=plasma.nationalgeographic.com
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0508/images/excerpt1.jpg
WALKING THROUGH TIME: Spencer Wells, accompanied by a party of Bushmen, treks across a dry watering hole in northern Namibia.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/_images/main_intro.gif (https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/)

them

06-07-2007, 01:44 PM

The Eurasian Heartland: A continental perspective on Y-chromosome diversity

The nonrecombining portion of the human Y chromosome has proven to be a valuable tool for the study of population history. The maintenance of extended haplotypes characteristic of particular geographic regions, despite extensive admixture, allows complex demographic events to be deconstructed. In this study we report the frequencies of 23 Y-chromosome biallelic polymorphism haplotypes in 1,935 men from 49 Eurasian populations, with a particular focus on Central Asia. These haplotypes reveal traces of historical migrations, and provide an insight into the earliest patterns of settlement of anatomically modern humans on the Eurasian continent. Central Asia is revealed to be an important reservoir of genetic diversity, and the source of at least three major waves of migration leading into Europe, the Americas, and India. The genetic results are interpreted in the context of Eurasian linguistic patterns.

http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07275/yc.jpeg.jpg

anoninnyc

06-07-2007, 07:36 PM

just watched the videos on youtube. fascinating but i would never allow my dna to be taken and evaluated by scientists or anyone. and the question of how the whites got to russia is not really answered.

them

06-07-2007, 10:31 PM

anoninnyc

07-07-2007, 02:26 AM

What if the white race is a - Homo neanderthalensis x Homo sapiens - hybrid?

interesting. not sure of the evidence but who really knows?

december

08-07-2007, 11:38 PM

You are correct, reading what I actually wrote now I realize I was being rude. Sorry about that, it was unkind and rude of me.

No problem. I just thought you tried to hijack the thread by posting spam.

I am not wedded to the out of africa theory. so far i think that humans came from africa and then were later fiddled with by aliens, but i just think this, i don't KNOW it.

But this map does not suport this idea -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Y-Haplogroup_R1_distribution.png

Distribution of R1a (purple) and R1b (red)

Y Haplogroup R1b

The members of R1b are believed to be the descendants of the first modern humans who entered Europe about 35,000-40,000 years ago ( Aurignacian culture). Those R1b forebearers were the people who painted the beautiful art in the caves in Spain and France. They were the contemporaries (and perhaps exterminators) of the European Neanderthals.

R1b is the most common Y haplogroup in Europe - more than half of men of European descent belong to R1b. Fourteen of the 30 most common haplotypes in the YSTR.org database are typical of R1b. (Those haplotypes can be seen here). The haplogroup R1b is defined by an SNP called P25. It has been found that all European R1b's have an additional mutation called M269. Therefore the 2003 version of the YCC nomenclature named the group defined by M269 as R1b3. However this group is still often referred to as R1b to avoid confusion between the 2002 and 2003 nomenclatures.

Since the majority of men of European descent belong to R1b, this group has the highest risk of so called "accidental" matches - matches due to an accidental convergence of long separated R1b lines, rather than due to recent kinship. Most different surname matches among R1b's are probably of this variety. In general, the closer a haplotype is to the R1b modal haplotype, the more of these accidental matches that will be seen. You can read more about accidental matches here.

While several R1b sub-groups have been found, it turns out that they are only seen in very small percentages of R1b's. The majority of men in R1b belong to none of the known sub-groups and are therefore most properly classified as R1b* (or R1b3* in the 2003 YCC nomenclature). However the R1b*s can be divided into two large identifiable groups by the results of a RFLP test of the 49a,f Taq/I locus. The R1b*'s in Western Europe mostly have 49a,f Taq/I results that are categorized as ht15. The R1b*'s seen in Turkey, and Iraq have a different 49a,f Taq/I haplotype known as ht35. Al-Zahery et al in their paper on Iraq theorize that ht35 is actually the ancestral haplotype for R1b3*s. Cinnioglu et al speculate that the ht35 R1b*s may have spent the Last Glacial Maximum in an Asia Minor refugium while the ht15 R1b*s were in an Iberian refugium.

The allele frequency graphs below show that the STRs for the two 49a,f Taq/I haplotypes are nearly identical. The main differences are the alleles at DYS393 and DYS461. Considering that these two lines of R1b*s have been separated for more than 15,000 years it is remarkable how little drift has occurred between their modal haplotypes.

Weale's paper on Armenian Y chromosomes shows many HG1 haplotypes with DYS393=12 - so it can be guessed that many of these R1b*'s may have been ht35.

A comparison between the allele frequencies for R1b* and two of the Basque sub-groups of R1b can be seen here.

The distribution of R1b* in Europe can be seen as the group colored in green on the map on the second page of Semino's paper on European Y chromosomes.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dgarvey/DNA/hg/YCC_R1b.html

lumukanda

08-07-2007, 11:43 PM

enki's absu was in southern africa, anoninnyc.

december

12-07-2007, 08:01 PM

Parallels: Old and New Greeks

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/moschophoros.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/twoold.jpghttp://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/twonew.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/one.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/six.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/seven.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/gynaika.jpghttp://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/agalma.jpg

Source -

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/

december

13-07-2007, 03:10 AM

anoninnyc

13-07-2007, 03:42 AM

Is this a typical British face? :)

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z61/Andresh-photos/29.jpg

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

she does not look like a typical british woman to me. much much prettier. i don't know who she is, but she has a lovely face.

and december i did not respond to your map and how you said it disproves the out of africa theory because frankly i guess i don't have much of a head for science and am not quite sure what any of it means.

armoured saint

13-07-2007, 04:28 AM

archangel

13-07-2007, 06:14 AM

I'm confused bro.

You said in the other thread that you were not implying that Whites and blacks have different origin.

But in this thread, some one said your information is not correct. They said that man migrated out of Africa and developed whiter skin due to a cooler climate up north and you asked him. "what illuminati hisotry book did you read that out of?"" or some thing along those lines.

What exactly is the overal picture here your trying to get across?

Blacks evolved out of whites( the orginal earth race)?

blacks and whites have entirely different origins?

december

13-07-2007, 05:24 PM

and december i did not respond to your map and how you said it disproves the out of africa theory because frankly i guess i don't have much of a head for science and am not quite sure what any of it means.

Hello, anoninnyc.
I am a bit confused by that. What do you mean by "am not quite sure what any of it means"?

I think this short article is easy to understand:

:)

Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA)

In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b (M343) (previously called Hg1 and Eu18) is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe.

Its frequency is highest in Western Europe, especially in Atlantic Europe (and due to European emigration, in North America, South America, and Australia). In southern England, the frequency of R1b is about 70%, and in parts of Spain, Portugal, France, Wales, and Ireland, the frequency of R1b is greater than 90%. Bryan Sykes in his book Blood of the Isles gives the populations associated with R1b the name of Oisín for a clan patriarch, much as he did for mitochondrial haplogroups in his work The Seven Daughters of Eve. Stephen Oppenheimer also deals with this population group in his book Origins of the British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Y-Haplogroup_R1_distribution.png

Distribution of R1a (purple) and R1b (red)

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

synergy777

13-07-2007, 05:32 PM

you lot are amusing. armoured saint, you know the score bro, its just some mofo have egos/cultural programming, they can't take coming from asiatics, why, is we are equal, and you are not racist, and thus do not view us asiatic as lower, why is it hard to accept that you come from us.

anoninnyc

13-07-2007, 05:37 PM

december, according to the article the frequency is the highest in western europe......... but still not all western europeans have that y chromosome. so what does it mean? are the ones that don't have it not white or were mixed in with other groups or what? and i also want to know what your theory or the theory you believe in is, as to the origin of the white race. do you think the different races sprung up at completely different times and places? i take it you do not believe in the out of africa theory. why do you find the theory that man originally came from africa then either evolved differently (maybe genetic mutation or just plain old evolution) or had alien intervention incompatible with the data you supplied regarding the y chromosome? as i told you before, science is not my forte.

celtic isis

13-07-2007, 08:10 PM

celtic isis

13-07-2007, 08:15 PM

she does not look like a typical british woman to me. much much prettier. i don't know who she is, but she has a lovely face.

and december i did not respond to your map and how you said it disproves the out of africa theory because frankly i guess i don't have much of a head for science and am not quite sure what any of it means.

she looks like natalie imbruglia.

i wouldn't say that she's much much prettier than most british women! She has quite irish type colouring, dark hair, fair skin and blue green eyes but then most people have this colouring including me. It's a myth that irish are red haired, we've all got dark hair!!!!

synergy777

13-07-2007, 08:16 PM

synergy777

13-07-2007, 08:17 PM

thanks for the laughs, enjoy the threads, lol

archangel

13-07-2007, 09:08 PM

you lot really are arrogant misinformed, protect you little egos. asiatic, africa/middle east/india/china, we know our roots. you are the only ones who exclude yourself, aand believe max muller/adolf hitler, jokers. what two blokes to pin your hopes on, really are clutching at straws, aren't we. demographic timebomb, and you still can't work it out.

I didn't see December make any Adolf hitler white power statements.

Why are you getting upset because someone is analyzing information??

You speak as if you know everything.

Do you realize how rediculous your witty comments are on a board like this? this whole forum is about discussing occult and strange things.

synergy777

13-07-2007, 09:09 PM

you pillock, its max mueller who created the aryan european fantasy, are you not informed.

archangel

13-07-2007, 10:45 PM

you pillock, its max mueller who created the aryan european fantasy, are you not informed.

Pillock??

How am I supposed to know it was a fantasy?
How do you know there is no merit to it?

Why are you getting upset about December posting Scientific research?

Why would are you so offended by the idea that white Europeans may have a different origin?

synergy777

13-07-2007, 10:57 PM

my bad, i didn't know you didn't know max muller retracted his ideas. sometimes i think peeps know the stuff, and therefore i regulary make wrong judgements, i apologise. its just this stuff sometimes does my head in, its boring, easy, and i get frustated that others either don't see it, or that if i am wrong, then no one really proves it do they, which leaves me in no postion to correct myself, improve myself. its like shcool, you need an teacher/elder to show you if you are right/wrong. no one marks you work, lol.

i respect icke, but there are major flaws eg brian desbrough "aryans are from mars etc", i have proved it, by using data collected from other people, i admit its from secondary sources, but the data fits/correlates. sometimes you don;t like what you are seeing, the ease of it, and the consequences of it, its not something i asked for, etc. its like some people pick up an instrument and become one with it, theres no seperation, some try and try but don't fit. i'm not saying i know everything, i'm just saying there should be someone who does, someone we can work with, look up to, be guided by and there bloody well ain't.

i'm gonna have cold beer, smoke and go out tommorrow and get smashed. like dr oppenheimer said, i have become shiva, destroyer of worlds.

i apologise again archangel.

december

13-07-2007, 11:17 PM

I didn't see December make any Adolf hitler white power statements.

Archangel, he has to say that. And do you know why?

It is because he - synergy777 - have said number of times on other forums that:

1. "ALL WHITE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE KILLED"

and

2. that "WE HAVE KAMASUTRA, AND WE F*CK LIKE RABITS SO WE CAN OVERPOWER ALL WHITES BY THE NUMBERS".

So, now he decided to defend himself by attacking me. :)

synergy777 also said that we all came out of INDIA. :rolleyes:

december of course bro. as the they moved out of india, they chose the black sea and caspian sea as a base. from there they migrated into europe, althought migration took many routes they also went through anatolia(turkey) used north africa/berber = hibernia/iberia. i could do with the thing andy gray uses for football on sky, start drawing migration lines, lol

Source -

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5460

archangel

13-07-2007, 11:17 PM

well the main thing I was confused about is, what is a pillock? I'm sure it was meant to be some kind of insult?

However, This idea goes well beyond Max Muller. I do not really care what statements one particular person has made or retracted.

December is posting scientific information and arch. evidence and you seem to be laughing at him and implying this stuff is racist?

I'm just a little bit confused on why you are bothered by the idea that White Europeans may have originated elsewhere? (whether this idea is right or wrong)

december

13-07-2007, 11:29 PM

....posting scientific information and arch. evidence and you seem to be laughing at him and implying this stuff is racist?...

That is a part of the plan to distroy the white race by making them think that Genetics = Nazi stuff. :D

So, that the white people will develop the barrier, the STOP sign in their brain which will block them from researching this topic. ;)

The Vatican did the same trick when the "Holy Fathers" declared the night sky an Evil thing... and for many years Europeans thought that Earth was flat. :)

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

Parallels: Old and New Greeks

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/moschophoros.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/gynaika.jpghttp://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/agalma.jpg

Source -

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/

synergy777

13-07-2007, 11:45 PM

the indians (originally from africa, after adapting to different climates of india) were now of different colours, which you can see in indian families/populations today. compare a north indian to south/sri lankan. they as a people migrated out wave after wave in search of new lands, to flee religous persecution, to seek wealth, a better life as migrants do, to go forth and multiply, also i think empire lol.

as the migration took many directions, and occured many a time. there was not one massive migration, imagine the logistics. so i guess, like trade routes were set up, a "road/route" was set up, it was an incremental migration in many directions.

one went to russia/turkey/east europe, one to china, one went aghan/iran/iraq/israel/egypt. this last one was the hyskos one. the egyptians, middle easterns, all recognise this. if you read about the hyskos invasions, they took over the indigneous egyptians, the africans. hence todays egyptians are not the indigenous ones, the indigenous were from punt/kush eg ethiopia/sudan/somalia.

before this, africa/india were the same knigdom, eg naga kings, dravids etc. the capital was in ethiopia, look at haile selassie, he to me looks like an indian, but he is african. africans state, history/genetics/lingusitics etc, that indians are migrated africans, who have adapted to the new environment.

so the indians that migrated to persia, egypt set up residence there, after taking over/invasion. look at the annunaki, persian artwork, they are indian, this was known as mesopotamia.these later with africans moved into greece, north africa, south italy, later the moors went into spain/portugal.

now from the other migrating base, between black/caspian sea/caucasus mountains/georgia, the russian/turkey-anatolia/east europe side, came another set of migrating indians. who due to climate had become lighter. this is why, turkey was known as the link between asia/europe, asia minor, the byzantine.

then we had these tribes moving into north europe, with the mesopotamian moving into north africa/south europe. around romans times, is when the populations, started to split up into two major factions. rome is the key empire, its the transition point/power shift from asia/africa to europe. remember rome had egypt/israel, and turkey/constanople-now istanbul. the roman empire was split into two, the west and eastern. the capital of the west empire being roma, the east being constanople/istanbul.

however here the twist, i think, by judging by relics in europe, neolithic stones, and the monuments/cultures in the americas/australia, there were migrations that started way before this, way before the biblical timeline. could this be the time of lemuria/atlantis.

right its friday, i need alcohol and weed,lol

as for my comments, yep i said them, and what. from a man who sad russia is the illuminati enemies, americans are stupid etc, who thinks aryans are from north pole, me pasting inflamatory funny comments which i know you will take seriously. well its just playing to the crowd, if you are dumb enough to take them seriously, all the more fun to for me, and putting up with you lot, i deserve the laughs.

i should know better, but its great fun. how do you think i feel, when you say my culture is not mine, that you gave it to us, which is ironic, as before imperialism/max muller, i thought you guys didn't discover us, the world was flat, etc lol also why did the aryan connection only be known/exposed at the time of well, circa 1935 etc, why not before? this is why you have yet to truly understand equality, it means the way you liked to be treated, you should treat others the same way, its a novel concept, try it bro.

synergy777

13-07-2007, 11:55 PM

nice turbans, they are wearing, i like the robes/toga's, saris, bindi's they wore in greece/rome, thanks for them aswell, before you gave them to us we wearing tree leaves.

james777

14-07-2007, 07:59 AM

White People?? Why does anyone give a fuck about this? Where did 'People' come from? All people are the same when you get down to the insides, it doesn't matter what your 'vehicle' looks like.

If race is an important thing that dictates how you feel about certain people, then you've been fooled and have fallen directly into the 'divide and rule' trap.....

carlg1212

14-07-2007, 08:07 AM

December - you dumbwipe, an African American won Wimbledon.

http://www.tennisrulz.com/players/swilliams/mm/swilliams05.jpg

I know that breaks your dead heart, but don't fear, Anna pictures are here!

http://www.gagreport.com/Funny_Pictures/Sexy%20Celebrities%20top%2010%20album/images/anna_kournikova_bare_bottom_jpg.jpg

james777

14-07-2007, 08:35 AM

synergy777

14-07-2007, 05:50 PM

james, carl, nice 1.
1 love.

december

14-07-2007, 06:23 PM

December - you dumbwipe, an African American won Wimbledon.

What does it have to do with this thread?

december

14-07-2007, 06:39 PM

I don't understand why are these virtual terrorists allowed to spam in this thead, but I will try to restart the discussion...

:)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/European_Middle_Neolithic.gif/800px-European_Middle_Neolithic.gif

The Linear Pottery culture or (German) Linearbandkeramik (abbr. LBK), Bandkeramik, Linear Band Pottery culture, Linear (Band) Ware culture, Linear Ceramics culture, Danubian I culture of V. Gordon Childe, Early Danubian culture or Incised Ware Group is a major archaeological horizon of the European Neolithic (stone age), flourishing ca. 5500—4500 BC. The heaviest concentrations are on the middle Danube, the upper and middle Elbe, and the upper and middle Rhine. The LBK represents the advent of agriculture into this part of the world.

Three variants are recognized:

Early or Western Linear Pottery Culture. The culture developed on the middle Danube was carried down the Rhine, Elbe, Oder and Vistula. The extent to which these lands were already occupied is an issue currently of archaeological interest. Were they unoccupied or were the forests and riverlands being used by archaeologically "invisible" Mesolithics?
Bükk or Eastern Linear Pottery Culture. The Early Linear Pottery Culture influenced or intruded upon a population of Starcevized Mesolithic remnants in the upper Tisza drainage system of the Bükk Mountains.
Late Dniester-Bug Culture. A phase of the Early Linear Pottery Culture manufacturing Musical Note Pottery intruded upon the Neolithic Dniester-Bug Culture.

The Elbe
The OderThe Western Linear Pottery variant, the first known, was assigned the name Spiralmäanderkeramik or Linearbandkeramik (short LBK) in German by Koehl. This name has remained the same since then and is not likely to change. English names have changed often. The earliest generally accepted name was Danubian, which is only rarely used now, since the death of its originator, V. Gordon Childe. Currently most names are attempts to translate Linearbandkeramik into good English. No name has the authority and universality of Linearbandkeramik...

http://www.archeo.pan.krakow.pl/images/zdjecia/Bronoc3.jpg

Linear Pottery culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Parallels: Old and New Greeks

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/moschophoros.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/twoold.jpghttp://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/twonew.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/gynaika.jpghttp://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/agalma.jpg

Source -

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/

Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA)

In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b (M343) (previously called Hg1 and Eu18) is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe.

Its frequency is highest in Western Europe, especially in Atlantic Europe (and due to European emigration, in North America, South America, and Australia). In southern England, the frequency of R1b is about 70%, and in parts of Spain, Portugal, France, Wales, and Ireland, the frequency of R1b is greater than 90%. Bryan Sykes in his book Blood of the Isles gives the populations associated with R1b the name of Oisín for a clan patriarch, much as he did for mitochondrial haplogroups in his work The Seven Daughters of Eve. Stephen Oppenheimer also deals with this population group in his book Origins of the British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Y-Haplogroup_R1_distribution.png

Distribution of R1a (purple) and R1b (red)

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

december

14-07-2007, 06:42 PM

White People?? Why does anyone give a fuck about this?

Sean, since when it became OK to use this sort of language on this forum?

james777

14-07-2007, 07:06 PM

Sean, since when it became OK to use this sort of language on this forum?

What are you?? Some kind of fuckin tattletale?? This is the ignorance that drives me away from this forum.....who's to say what is 'OK' and 'Not OK'. Sean isn't a judgmental bigot like some.

It doesn't matter where white people came from any more than it matters where indian or black people came from. The important thing here is that we're all heading in the same direction. It's up to us if we want to stay divided and defeated and it's up to us if we want to unite and conquer, but one thing is for sure, if we waste time discussing and arguing points that are very 'point'less then we'll continue on this spiral of downward degression.

It amazes me that time and time again that individuals try to force feed their perception down the throats of others who see things differently......WOW.......what a 'FUCKIN' joke......

december

14-07-2007, 07:51 PM

archangel

14-07-2007, 08:23 PM

well personaly

I think this is very important information. It seems that some people in this thread are no better than the powers that be in that they want to filter the information we recieve.

Everything should be put out on the table whether it be for the better or for the worse. Everyone deserves to know all the history and all of the facts.

I think unless you have you something constructive to say then you should just keep your mouth shut. If you find this thread "pointless", don't waste bandwidth even posting on it with your shitty comments.

edit

14-07-2007, 08:40 PM

Parallels: Old and New Greeks

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/moschophoros.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/twoold.jpghttp://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/twonew.jpg

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/gynaika.jpghttp://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/agalma.jpg

Source -

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/parallels/

Wow! Very nice parallels! Thanks december for the link. This is somewhat new for me.

december

14-07-2007, 08:43 PM

The Corded Ware culture, alternatively characterized as the Battle Axe culture or Single Grave culture is an enormous European archaeological horizon that begins in the late Neolithic (Stone Age), flourished through the Copper Age and finally culminates in the early Bronze Age, developing in various areas from ca. 3200 BC/2900 BC to ca. 2300 BC/1800 BC. With the Yamna culture, it represents the introduction of metal into Northern Europe, and possibly an early expansion of the Indo-European family of languages.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/0/01/150px-Båtformig_skafthålsyxa,_Nordisk_familjebok.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Corded_Ware_culture.png

Approximate extent of the Corded Ware horizon with adjacent 3rd millennium cultures (after EIEC).

It encompassed most of continental northern Europe from the Rhine River on the west, to the Volga River in the east, including most of modern-day Germany, Denmark, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Belarus, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, northern Ukraine, western Russia, as well as coastal Norway and the southern portions of Sweden and Finland.

The somewhat later Beaker culture was largely contemporaneous and proposed to be derived from the western extremity of this culture. It is succeeded by a number of Bronze Age cultures, among them the Unetice culture (Central Europe), ca. 2300 BC, and by the Nordic Bronze Age, a culture of Scandinavia and northernmost Germany-Poland, ca. 1800 BC.

There are very few settlements, but it has been shown that agriculture was practiced, a continuation from the Funnelbeaker culture era, and that some domestic animals were kept. The majority, however, seemed to have followed a fully-or semi-nomadic pastoral way of life. Wheeled vehicles (presumably drawn by oxen) are evidenced. The horse, perhaps-to-probably domesticated, is represented by the tarpan.

There is evidence that oxen were being used and that cows' milk was used systematically from 3400 BC onwards in the northern Alpine foreland. Sheep were kept more frequently in the western part of Switzerland due to the stronger Mediterranean influence. Changes in slaughter age and animal size are possibly evidence for sheep being kept for their wool at Corded Ware sites in this region.

Corded Ware culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.archeo.pan.krakow.pl/images/zdjecia/Karpaty2.jpg

Corded Ware culture mound. Upland south of the Lower Beskids (Slovakia)

http://www.archeo.pan.krakow.pl/Studies.htm

well personaly

I think this is very important information. It seems that some people in this thread are no better than the powers that be in that they want to filter the information we recieve.

Everything should be put out on the table whether it be for the better or for the worse. Everyone deserves to know all the history and all of the facts.

I think unless you have you something constructive to say then you should just keep your mouth shut. If you find this thread "pointless", don't waste bandwidth even posting on it with your shitty comments.

I actually didn't expect to see so much hate on David Icke forum... :confused:

White People?? Why does anyone give a fuck about this? Where did 'People' come from? All people are the same when you get down to the insides, it doesn't matter what your 'vehicle' looks like.

If race is an important thing that dictates how you feel about certain people, then you've been fooled and have fallen directly into the 'divide and rule' trap.....

i am in vodka bar, with nice russian blonde giving a me a blow job, whilst dictating to another blonde who has my laptop, lol

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5460&page=4

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

bigus_dickus

14-07-2007, 08:46 PM

the disinfo propaganda has just crossed the spam limit

december

14-07-2007, 08:57 PM

Wow! Very nice parallels! Thanks december for the link. This is somewhat new for me.

Hello, edit. Thanks.
Can you find more pics of Greeks?

:)

the disinfo propaganda has just crossed the spam limit

Actually it is called Archeology and Ethnology.
And in Europe there are number of institutions working in that field. Here's one of them:

:)

http://www.iaepan.edu.pl/Images/enter_eng.gif

http://www.iaepan.edu.pl

them

14-07-2007, 09:35 PM

Actually it is called Archeology and Ethnology.
And in Europe there are number of institutions working in that field. Here's one of them:

And here's another;

http://www.eth.mpg.de/dynamic-index.html?http://www.eth.mpg.de/people/vate/cv.html although I like one quite a lot too http://www.eva.mpg.de/ http://www.eva.mpg.de/bilder/minerva_logo.gifhttp://www.eva.mpg.de/bilder/webLogoStandard_LE.gif

>>>http://www.leipzig-school.eva.mpg.de/images/banner.jpg (http://www.leipzig-school.eva.mpg.de/start.htm)

december

14-07-2007, 10:00 PM

http://www.leipzig-school.eva.mpg.de/images/banner.jpg (http://www.leipzig-school.eva.mpg.de/start.htm)

Thank you for the links, Them.
I wonder if our friends in Leipzig know that it was a Slavic city sometime ago...

Anyway...
Since you live in UK, Them, here's the address of one place that is much closer to you than Leipzig:

http://www.oxfordancestors.com/bits/logo.jpg

http://www.oxfordancestors.com

Write to us at:
Oxford Ancestors Ltd
PO Box 288
Kidlington
Oxfordshire
OX5 1WG
UK
or e -mail us at:
enquiries@oxfordancestors.com
Telephone: 01865 374 425
For media enquiries, please contact:
Benjamin Webb Deliberate PR
Telephone: 020 8732 8867
benjamin@deliberate-pr.com

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

them

14-07-2007, 10:26 PM

Thats an interesting site, I liked it. Have you ever done any of the tests, December? I think I might buy some as gifts.. gasp.. I'm taking part in the Genographic project anyway, it fascinates me.
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/_images/main_intro.gif

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

edit

14-07-2007, 11:26 PM

http://classics.uc.edu/~johnson/epic/aeneid_images/agamemnon.jpg
... like Greek gods?_ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Greek_deity_head_left_icon.PNG Hello, edit. Thanks.
Can you find more pics of Greeks?

:)

..or school? http://www.shc.ed.ac.uk/classics/undergraduate/greek/images/Greek20school.jpg
les Métamorphoses ... (http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://cfs2.blog.daum.net/upload_control/download.blog%3Ffhandle%3DMDJGVDRAZnMyLmJsb2cuZGF1 bS5uZXQ6L0lNQUdFLzAvMjEuanBnLnRodW1i%26filename%3D 21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.joins.com/media/folderListSlide.asp%3Fuid%3Dymjeong1%26folder%3D18 %26list_id%3D7898384&h=406&w=300&sz=67&hl=nl&start=44&tbnid=tjuU1-FJ_S49iM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPygmalion%2Band%2BGalatea%26start%3D4 0%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dnl%26s a%3DN)

Galatea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite#Pygmalion_and_Galatea)("she who is (http://www.answers.com/topic/galatea-mythology) milk-white (http://decoration-collect.com/product_info.php/cPath/30/products_id/471)") ~ My Fair Lady ((George Bernard (http://www.lettern.de/spshaw.htm) Shaw & Aphrodite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite#Pygmalion_and_Galatea)))
'My Fair Lady was the summation of his many gifts, plus personal nostalgia,
memories and ambitions....
The success of the Pygmalion musical was beyond (http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://cfs2.blog.daum.net/upload_control/download.blog%3Ffhandle%3DMDJGVDRAZnMyLmJsb2cuZGF1 bS5uZXQ6L0lNQUdFLzAvMjEuanBnLnRodW1i%26filename%3D 21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.joins.com/media/folderListSlide.asp%3Fuid%3Dymjeong1%26folder%3D18 %26list_id%3D7898384&h=406&w=300&sz=67&hl=nl&start=44&tbnid=tjuU1-FJ_S49iM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPygmalion%2Band%2BGalatea%26start%3D4 0%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dnl%26s a%3DN) all expectations'
From (http://www.audrey1.com/articles/articles21.html) Cecil Beaton Stage and Films by Charles Spencer
(Pygmalion and the Image:
The Soul Attains
) Art (http://www.susanneangst.com/Pre_ralph/index.htm)~ Godhead Fires (http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://cfs2.blog.daum.net/upload_control/download.blog%3Ffhandle%3DMDJGVDRAZnMyLmJsb2cuZGF1 bS5uZXQ6L0lNQUdFLzAvMjEuanBnLnRodW1i%26filename%3D 21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.joins.com/media/folderListSlide.asp%3Fuid%3Dymjeong1%26folder%3D18 %26list_id%3D7898384&h=406&w=300&sz=67&hl=nl&start=44&tbnid=tjuU1-FJ_S49iM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPygmalion%2Band%2BGalatea%26start%3D4 0%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dnl%26s a%3DN)
Pygmalion en Galatea: een onmogelijke liefde (http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://cfs2.blog.daum.net/upload_control/download.blog%3Ffhandle%3DMDJGVDRAZnMyLmJsb2cuZGF1 bS5uZXQ6L0lNQUdFLzAvMjEuanBnLnRodW1i%26filename%3D 21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.joins.com/media/folderListSlide.asp%3Fuid%3Dymjeong1%26folder%3D18 %26list_id%3D7898384&h=406&w=300&sz=67&hl=nl&start=44&tbnid=tjuU1-FJ_S49iM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPygmalion%2Band%2BGalatea%26start%3D4 0%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dnl%26s a%3DN)
Greek Mythology Link - the king of Cyprus (http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://cfs2.blog.daum.net/upload_control/download.blog%3Ffhandle%3DMDJGVDRAZnMyLmJsb2cuZGF1 bS5uZXQ6L0lNQUdFLzAvMjEuanBnLnRodW1i%26filename%3D 21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blog.joins.com/media/folderListSlide.asp%3Fuid%3Dymjeong1%26folder%3D18 %26list_id%3D7898384&h=406&w=300&sz=67&hl=nl&start=44&tbnid=tjuU1-FJ_S49iM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPygmalion%2Band%2BGalatea%26start%3D4 0%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dnl%26s a%3DN)
http://www.pixelcreation.fr/fileadmin/img/sas_image/galerie/graphisme/Rudi%20Meyer/040.jpg

december

15-07-2007, 10:22 PM

http://classics.uc.edu/~johnson/epic/aeneid_images/agamemnon.jpg
... like Greek gods?_ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Greek_deity_head_left_icon.PNG

Hello, Edit.

Take a close look at the face of the ancient Greek girl (especially nose) and the face of this modern man and you will see that they are almost the same .....
It seems like these Greek 'gods' came from North, from the land which is known today as Russia.

http://kuryanovich.dnn.su/images/gallery/nbkykv.jpg

Edit, I really like your new avatar, by the way... :)

anoninnyc

16-07-2007, 06:02 PM

synergy, it has always been my understanding that the indian people are aryan (not in the hitler sense of the word, but in the indo-european sub-set sense such as germanic, slavic and celtic.....) and that the aryan people are iranian people who entered into india and the northern indians are aryan while the southern indians are dravidian. before anyone jumps on me here, i am not wedded to this theory and i am not sure of the evidence. however you provided no evidence for your claims about indians. where did you get your theory from? any evidence?

lumukanda

16-07-2007, 06:28 PM

i've always thought that celts are the people that went to india, settled for a bit, then went back the way they came, and spread out through india, look at their art, their decoration, even their music (loreena mckennit has some interesting ideas on the subject, she studied the subject from a purely musical perspective), which is why northern indians are lighter skinned than dravidians, who settled in the south of india with less intermarriage, i may be wrong of course.
the movement of people and where we come from, all of us, from many different places is not important from a spiritual development side, but it is damn interesting, and important when looking at things like symbolism, religion , culture etc

synergy777

16-07-2007, 07:04 PM

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisads/aryan-invasion.html

Introduction

The aryan invasion theory has been one of the most controversial historical topics for well over a century. However, it should be pointed out that it remains just that – a theory. To date no hard evidence has proven the aryan invasion theory to be fact. In this essay we will explain the roots of this hypothesis and how, due to recent emergence of new evidence over the last couple of decades, the validity of the aryan invasion theory has been seriously challenged.

It is indeed ironic that the origin of this theory does not lie in Indian records, but in 19th Century politics and German nationalism. No where in the Vedas, Puranas or Itihasas is there any mention of a Migration or Invasion of any kind. In 1841 M.S. Elphinstone, the first governor of the Bombay Presidency, wrote in his book History of India:

'It is opposed to their (Hindus) foreign origin, that neither in the Code (of Manu) nor, I believe, in the Vedas, nor in any book that is certainly older than the code, is there any allusion to a prior residence or to a knowledge of more than the name of any country out of India. Even mythology goes no further than the Himalayan chain, in which is fixed the habitation of the gods... .To say that it spread from a central point is an unwarranted assumption, and even to analogy; for, emigration and civilization have not spread in a circle, but from east to west. Where, also, could the central point be, from which a language could spread over India, Greece, and Italy and yet leave Chaldea, Syria and Arabia untouched? There is no reason whatever for thinking that the Hindus ever inhabited any country but their present one, and as little for denying that they may have done so before the earliest trace of their records or tradition.’

The Birth of a Misconception
Interest in the field of Indology during the 19th Century was of mixed motivations. Many scholars such as August Wilhelm von Schlegal, Hern Wilhelm von Humboldt, and Arthur Schopenhauer lauded praise upon the Vedic literatures and their profound wisdom, others were less than impressed. To accept that there was an advanced civilization outside the boundaries of Europe, at a time before the Patriarchs Abraham and Moses had made their covenant with the Almighty was impossible to conceive of for most European scholars, who harbored a strong Christian tendency. Most scholars of this period were neither archeologists nor historians in the strict sense of the word. Rather, they were missionaries paid by their governments to establish western cultural and racial superiority over the subjugated Indian citizens, through their study of the indigenous religious texts. Consequently, for racial, political and religious reasons, early European indologists created a myth that still survives to this day.

It was established by linguists that Sanskrit, Iranian and European languages all belonged to the same family, categorizing them as ‘Indo-European’ languages. It was assumed that all these people originated from one homeland where they spoke a common language (which they called ‘Proto-Indo-European’ or PIE) which later developed into Sanskrit, Latin, Greek etc. They then needed to ascertain where this homeland was. By pure speculation, it was proposed that this homeland was either southeast Europe or Central Asia.

Harappa and Mohenjo-daro
The discovery of ruins in the Indus Valley (Harappa and Mohenjo-daro) was considered by indologists like Wheeler as proof of their conjectures – that a nomadic tribe from foreign lands had plundered India. It was pronounced that the ruins dated back to a time before the Aryan Invasion, although this was actually never verified. By assigning a period of 200 years to each of the several layers of the pre-Buddhist Vedic literature, indologists arrived at a time frame of somewhere between 1500 and 1000BC for the Invasion of the Aryans. Using Biblical chronology as their sheet anchor, nineteenth century indologists placed the creation of the world at 4000BC 1 and Noah’s flood at 2500BC. They thus postulated that the Aryan Invasion could not have taken place any time before 1500BC.

Archeologists excavating the sites at Harappa and Mohenjo-daro found human skeletal remains; this seemed to them to be undeniable evidence that a large-scale massacre had taken place in these cities by the invading Aryan hordes. Prof. G. F. Dales (Former head of department of South-Asian Archaeology and Anthropology, Berkeley University, USA) in his ‘The Mythical Massacre at Mohenjo-daro’, states the following about this evidence:

Mohenjo-daro

‘What of these skeletal remains that have taken on such undeserved importance? Nine years of extensive excavations at Mohenjo-daro (1922-31) - a city of three miles in circuit - yielded the total of some 37 skeletons, or parts thereof, that can be attributed with some certainty to the period of the Indus civilizations. Some of these were found in contorted positions and groupings that suggest anything but orderly burials. Many are either disarticulated or incomplete. They were all found in the area of the Lower Town - probably the residential district. Not a single body was found within the area of the fortified citadel where one could reasonably expect the final defense of this thriving capital city to have been made…Where are the burned fortresses, the arrow heads, weapons, pieces of armor, the smashed chariots and bodies of the invaders and defenders? Despite the extensive excavations at the largest Harappan sites, there is not a single bit of evidence that can be brought forth as unconditional proof of an armed conquest and the destruction on the supposed scale of the Aryan Invasion.’
Evidence from the Vedas

It was therefore concluded that light-skinned nomads from Central Asia who wiped out the indigenous culture and enslaved or butchered the people, imposing their alien culture upon them had invaded the Indian subcontinent. They then wrote down their exploits in the form of the Rg Veda. This hypothesis was apparently based upon references in the Vedas that point to a conflict between the light-skinned Aryans and the dark-skinned Dasyus. 2 This theory was strengthened by the archeological discoveries in the Indus Valley of the charred skeletal remains that we have mentioned above. Thus the Vedas became nothing more than a series of poetic tales about the skirmishes between two barbaric tribes.

However, there are other references in the Rg Veda 3 that point to India being a land of mixed races. The Rg Veda also states that "We pray to Indra to give glory by which the Dasyus will become Aryans." 4 Such a statement confirms that to be an Aryan was not a matter of birth.

An inattentive skimming through the Vedas has resulted in a gross misinterpretation of social and racial struggles amongst the ancient Indians. North Aryans were pitted against the Southern Dravidians, high-castes against low-castes, civilized orthodox Indians against barbaric heterodox tribals. The hypothesis that of racial hatred between the Aryans and the dark-skinned Dasyus has no sastric foundation, yet some ‘scholars’ have misinterpreted texts to try to prove that there was racial hatred amongst the Aryans and Dravidians (such as the Rg Veda story of Indra slaying the demon Vrta 5 ).

Based on literary analysis, many scholars including B.G. Tilak, Dayananda Saraswati and Aurobindo dismissed any idea of an Aryan Invasion. For example, if the Aryans were foreign invaders, why is it that they don’t name places outside of India as their religious sites? Why do the Vedas only glorify holy places within India?

Max Mueller What is an ‘Aryan’?

The Sanskrit word ‘Aryan’ refers to one who is righteous and noble. It is also used in the context of addressing a gentleman (Arya-putra, Aryakanya etc). 6 Nowhere in the Vedic literature is the word used to denote race or language. This was a concoction by Max Mueller who, in 1853, introduced the word ‘Arya’ into the English language as referring a particular race and language. He did this in order to give credibility to his Aryan race theory (see Part 2). However in 1888, when challenged by other eminent scholars and historians, Mueller could see that his reputation was in jeopardy and made the following statement, thus refuting his own theory -

"I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language...to me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar."
(Max Mueller, Biographies of Words and the Home of the Aryas, 1888, pg 120)

But the dye had already been cast! Political and Nationalist groups in Germany and France exploited this racial phenomenon to propagate the supremacy of an assumed Aryan race of white people. Later, Adolf Hitler used this ideology to the extreme for his political hegemony and his barbaric crusade to terrorize Jews, Slavs and other racial minorities, culminating in the holocaust of millions of innocent people.

According to Mueller’s etymological explanation of ‘Aryan’, the word is derived from ‘ar’ (to plough, to cultivate). Therefore Arya means ‘a cultivator, or farmer’. This is opposed to the idea that the Aryans were wandering nomads. V.S. Apte's Sanskrit-English Dictionary relates the word Arya to the root ‘r-’ to which the prefix ‘a’ has been added in order to give a negating meaning. Therefore the meaning of Arya is given as ‘excellent, best’, followed by ‘respectable’ and as a noun, ‘master, lord, worthy, honorable, excellent,’ ‘upholder of Arya values, and further: teacher, employer, master, father-in-law, friend.’ " see it misses out mother in law, lol"

more at the link.

http://dedanaan.com/vedic-origins-children-of-danu/our-druid-cousins/

Our Druid Cousins
By Peter Berresford Ellis
Hinduism Today 2/2000

Meet the brahmins of ancient Europe, the high caste of Celtic society.

The Celtic people spread from their homeland in what is now Germany across Europe in the first millennium bce. Iron tools and weapons rendered them superior to their neighbors. They were also skilled farmers, road builders, traders and inventors of a fast two-wheeled chariot. They declined in the face of Roman, Germanic and Slavic ascendency by the second centuries bce. Here Peter Berresford Ellis, one of Europe’s foremost experts of the Celts, explains how modern research has revealed the amazing similarities between ancient Celt and Vedic culture. The Celt’s priestly caste, the Druids, has become a part of modern folklore. Their identity is claimed by New Age enthusiasts likely to appear at annual solstice gatherings around the ancient megaliths of northwest Europe. While sincerely motivated by a desire to resurrect Europe’s ancient spiritual ways, Ellis says these modern Druids draw more upon fanciful reconstructions of the 18th century than actual scholarship.

The Druids of the ancient Celtic world have a startling kinship with the brahmins of the Hindu religion and were, indeed, a parallel development from their common Indo-European cultural root which began to branch out probably five thousand years ago. It has been only in recent decades that Celtic scholars have begun to reveal the full extent of the parallels and cognates between ancient Celtic society and Vedic culture.

The Celts were the first civilization north of the European Alps to emerge into recorded history. At the time of their greatest expansion, in the 3rd century bce, the Celts stretched from Ireland in the west, through to the central plain of Turkey in the east; north from Belgium, down to Cadiz in southern Spain and across the Alps into the Po Valley of Italy. They even impinged on areas of Poland and the Ukraine and, if the amazing recent discoveries of mummies in China’s province of Xinjiang are linked with the Tocharian texts, they even moved as far east as the area north of Tibet.

The once great Celtic civilization is today represented only by the modern Irish, Manx and Scots, and the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons. Today on the northwest fringes of Europe cling the survivors of centuries of attempted conquest and “ethnic cleansing” by Rome and its imperial descendants. But of the sixteen million people who make up those populations, only 2.5 million now speak a Celtic language as their mother tongue.

The Druids were not simply a priesthood. They were the intellectual caste of ancient Celtic society, incorporating all the professions: judges, lawyers, medical doctors, ambassadors, historians and so forth, just as does the brahmin caste. In fact, other names designate the specific role of the “priests.” Only Roman and later Christian propaganda turned them into “shamans,” “wizards” and “magicians.” The scholars of the Greek Alexandrian school clearly described them as a parallel caste to the brahmins of Vedic society.

The very name Druid is composed of two Celtic word roots which have parallels in Sanskrit. Indeed, the root vid for knowledge, which also emerges in the Sanskrit word Veda, demonstrates the similarity. The Celtic root dru which means “immersion” also appears in Sanskrit. So a Druid was one “immersed in knowledge.”

Because Ireland was one of the few areas of the Celtic world that was not conquered by Rome and therefore not influenced by Latin culture until the time of its Christianization in the 5th century ce, its ancient Irish culture has retained the most clear and startling parallels to Hindu society.

Professor Calvert Watkins of Harvard, one of the leading linguistic experts in his field, has pointed out that of all the Celtic linguistic remains, Old Irish represents an extraordinarily archaic and conservative tradition within the Indo-European family. Its nominal and verbal systems are a far truer reflection of the hypothesized parent tongue, from which all Indo-European languages developed, than are Classical Greek or Latin. The structure of Old Irish, says Professor Watkins, can be compared only with that of Vedic Sanskrit or Hittite of the Old Kingdom.

The vocabulary is amazingly similar. The following are just a few examples:

Old Irish - aire (noble) | arya (freeman), Sanskrit
Old Irish - naib (good) | noeib (holy), Sanskrit
Old Irish - bodhar (deaf) | badhira (deaf), Sanskrit
Old Irish - nemed (respect) | names (respect), Sanskrit
Old Irish - righ or rí* (king) | raja (king), Sanskrit

more at the link.

i think ethiopia/india were the start. the swastika is found in churches in africa, temples in india and monuments all over europe. also celts are mixed, they have iberian/berber, this imho are the latest indo element, eg the "black irish" as in black hair etc. although aryan as a culture is a global one, from asia, europe, americas. wherever the swastika is, its a sign of vedic culture. hence really we are one family/culture. look at sanskrit, it gave birth to hebrew, latin, latin to english. the numbers 1, 2, 3 are sanskrit, before they used roman numerals eg M, V, X, C etc. i can post links, pics. see there was a global culture, trade, interaction in the old days. after all, if they "discovered" africa, india, america in the days of columbus etc, then why is there evidence to suggest prior contact. heck if they had crusades to israel before, then its starts to make sense. so what came first columbus or the crusades, the crusades. i think tsarion has some good points, eire being a refuge for those wanting to leave the tyranny of india/egypt/persia, which was governed by the serpent clergy/brotherhood. also look at romany migration, these are from panjab, north india. i think the medival/dark ages and the subsequent renaissance/rebirth, has twisted history, to deny us our shared heritage/origin, divide and rule. the thing they couldn't wipe out was the proof of prior interaction.

AIRE = EIRE
ARYA = ARYAN = IRAN

this why the middle east is crucial, this was the launch pad of migration into europe. why are the elite obsessed with babaylon/iraq "thats where the tribes were scattered after the tower of babel". iran, syria, egypt, etc. then you can add in the noah angle, the ark being in turkey/anatolia, or the annunaki/tigris/euphrates. the bloodline angle from persia, they love their bloodlines. also aryan = aire = aris = aristrocracy. also the black/caspian sea/caucasus mountains/georgia was another migration base.

anoninnyc

16-07-2007, 08:02 PM

ok but the best way i know to trace ethnicity/race is through language (other than dna of course) and sanskrit is linked up to the other indo-european languages but the dravidian tongues are not. so i don't see this backing up your theory.

synergy777

16-07-2007, 08:27 PM

what do you mean for dravidic, gujrati, sri lankan,

sanskrit is the basis for all languages in india, sanskrit is even is in africa, search for naga kings of india.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/ancient-african-kings-of-india-by-dr-clyde-winters/

now does haile selassie, look like african or indian?

Ancient African Kings Of India

By

Dr. Clyde Winters

Ethiopians have had very intimate relations with Indians. In fact, in antiquity the Ethiopians ruled much of India. These Ethiopians were called the Naga. It was the Naga who created Sanskrit.

Devanagari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

deva-naga-ri

Devanāgarī (देवनागरी) is an abugida script used to write, either along with other scripts, or exclusively, several Indian languages, including Sanskrit, Hindi, Marathi, Sindhi, Bihari, Bhili, Marwari, Konkani, Bhojpuri, languages from Nepal like Nepali, Tharu Nepal Bhasa and sometimes Kashmiri and Romani.
bro i'm indian, from sri lanka to palestine, including egypt, we understand eachother. heck after understanding these languages, i can without training understand spanish/italian very easily. i am dravidic/north indian. panjab and upwards is the starting place of north indian, bro, from the indus river, mohen daro, way back in time. from the vedas, krishna, h-aryan-a, mahabharat, etc.

Dravidian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Elam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Elamites called their country Haltamti (in later Elamite, Atamti), which the neighboring Akkadians rendered as Elam. Elam means "highland". Additionally, the Haltamti are known as Elam in the Hebrew Old Testament, where they are called the offspring of Elam, eldest son of Shem (see Elam in the Bible).

see one things which i try to do, is look at people with out recently invenmted nationalities. as these are fromn newly created borders. its pakistan and india, we are the same, but this division is from recent politics. you have to view the data from the time peroid it is in, in context to the data's epoch etc. see gerald massey, godfrey higgins, etc have researched the ancient kingdoms of africa/india. they were two landmasses connected by arabia, but had the same king/royalty. the languages that first came about, were african based, as man was created there. the first kingdoms, empires were african. we indians are africans who have adapted to the environment of india, just as euroepans are indian/indo who have adapted to their climate. you are your coilour due to the climate you live in, previous generations of breeding/adapting. if you moved to hot country, you would tan. your kids being born there would tan more, as the body adjusts. 2/3 generations, your kids kids etc would be brown.

i'm not being horrible, but the only aryan connection english language has is through its germanic/latin roots. english is a hybrid and new language. look at the evolution of english.

synergy777

16-07-2007, 08:32 PM

Naga Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nagavanshi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://www.vedamsbooks.com/no28552.htm

http://mindwarz.com/media/node/2825

Ancient African Kings Of India

Submitted by Mindwarz on Wed, 2007-03-21 01:13. african ancient civilization india
By Dr. Clyde Winters

Ethiopians have had very intimate relations with Indians. In fact, in antiquity the Ethiopians ruled much of India. These Ethiopians were called the Naga. It was the Naga who created Sanskrit.

A reading of ancient Dravidian literature which dates back to 500 BC, gives us considerable information on the Naga. In Indian tradition the Naga won central India from the Villavar (bowmen) and Minavar (fishermen).

The Naga were great seamen who ruled much of India, Sri Lanka and Burma. To the Aryans they described as half man and snake. The Tamil knew them as warlike people who used the and noose.

The earliest mention of the Naga, appear in the Ramayana , they are also mentioned in the Mahabharata. In the Mahabharata we discover that the
Naga had the capital city in the Dekkan, and other cities spread between the Jumna and Ganges as early as 1300 BC. The Dravidian classic, the Chilappathikaran made it clear that the first great kingdom of India was
Naganadu.

The Naga probably came from Kush-Punt/Ethiopia. The Puntites were the greatest sailors of the ancient world. In the Egyptian inscriptions there is mention of the Puntite ports of Outculit, Hamesu and Tekaru, which corresponds to Adulis, Hamasen and Tigre.

In Sumerian text, it is claimed that the Puntites traded with the people of the Indus Valley or Dilmun. According to S.N. Kramer in The Sumerians, part of Punt was probably called Meluhha, and Dilmun was probably the ancient name of the Indus Valley. (Today some scholars maintain that Oman, where we find no ancient cities was Dilmun and the Indus Valley may have been Meluhha).

Ancient Ethiopian traditions support the rule of Puntites or Ethiopians of India. In the Kebra Nagast, we find mention of the Arwe kings who ruled India. The founder of the dynasty was Za Besi Angabo. This dynasty according to the Kebra Nagast began around 1370 BC. These rulers of India and Ethiopia were called Nagas. The Kebra Nagast claims that ” Queen Makeda “had servants and merchants; they traded for her at sea and on land in the Indies and Aswan”. It also says that her son Ebna Hakim or Menelik I, made a campaign in the Indian Sea; the king of India made gifts and donations and prostrated himself before him”. It is also said that Menalik ruled an empire that extended from the rivers of Egypt (Blue Nile) to the west and from the south Shoa to eastern India”, according to the Kebra
Nagast. The Kebra Nagast identification of an eastern Indian empre ruled by
the Naga, corresponds to the Naga colonies in the Dekkan, and on the East
coast between the Kaviri and Vaigai rivers.

The presence of Meluhhaites/ Puntites in India may expain the Greek tradition of Kusites ruling India up to the Ganges. It would also explain the Aryan traditions of Mlechchas ( Sanskrit name for some of the non-Aryan people) as one of the aboriginal groups of India. Many scholars associate the name Mlechchas with Meluhha.

The major Naga tribes were the Maravar, Eyinar, Oliyar, Oviyar, Aru-Valur and Parathavar. The Nagas resisted the invansion of the Cholas. In the Kalittokai IV,1-5, the Naga are described as being “of strong limbs and hardy frames and fierce looking tigers wearing long and curled locks of hair.” The Naga kings of Sri Lanka are mentioned in the: Mahawanso, and are said to have later become Dravidians, as testified to by the names of these people: Naganathan, Nagaratnam, Nagaraja, nagra. and etc.

The major gift of the Naga to India was the writing system: Nagari. Nagari is the name for the Sanskrit script. Over a hundred years ago Sir William Jones, pointed out that the ancient Ethiopic and Sanskrit writing are one and the same.

William Jones, explained that the Ethiopian origin of Sanskrit was supported by the fact that both writing systems the writing went from left to right and the vowels
were annexed to the consonants. Today Eurocentric scholars teach that Indians taught writing to the Ethiopians, yet the name Nagari for Sanskrit betrays the Ethiopia origin of this form of writing. Moreover, it is interesting to note that Sanskrit vowels: a,aa,’,I,u,e,o, virama etc., are in the same order as Geez.

The Ethiopian script has influenced many other writing systems. Y.M. Kobishnor, in the Unesco History of Africa, maintains that Ethiopic was used as the model for Armenian writing, as was many of the Transcaucasian scripts. Dravidian literature indicate that the Naga may have introduced worship of Kali, the Serpent, Murugan and the Sun or Krishna. It is interesting to note that a god called Murugan is worshipped by many people in East Africa.

It is interesting that Krishna, who was associated with the Sun, means Black, this is analogous to the meaning of Khons of the Kushites. Homer, described Hercules as follows: “Black he stood as night his uncased, his arrow string for flight”. This mention of arrows identifies the Kushites as warriors who
used the , a common weapon of the Kushites and the Naga.

Kumarinadu

The Naga or Ethiopians were defeated by Dravidian speaking people from Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu is suppose to have formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa. This landmass is mentioned in the Silappadikaram, which said that Kamarinadu was made up of seven nadus or regions. The Dravidian scholars Adiyarkunallar and Nachinaar wrote about the ancient principalities of Tamilaham, which existed on Kamarinadu.

Kumarinadu was ruled by the Pandyans/Pandians at Madurai before it
sunk beneath the sea. The greatest king of Kumarinadu was Sengoon.
According to Dravidian scholars the Pandyans worshipped the goddess Kumari Amman. This Amman, probably corresponds to the ancient god Amon of the Kushites.

The Kalittokai 104, makes it clear that after the Pandyans were forced to migrate off their Island home into South India, “to compensate for the area lost to the great s of the sea, King Pandia without tiresome moved to the other countries and won them. Removing the emblems of tiger (Cholas) and (Cheras) he, in their place inscribed his reputed emblem fish (Pandia’s) and valiantly made his enemies to him”.

synergy777

16-07-2007, 08:47 PM

http://www.reptilianagenda.com/myth/m010105b.shtml

this adds into the serpent brotherhood/brahmins= serpent clergy who went to persia, then egypt, hyskos/jews. this is why jew bashing, eg east europeans converts not the biblical jews is wrong. see naga, pharoahs, ancient india all revered the serpent/cobra/dragon. from the pharoahs crowns, to temples. from konark to kharnak, orissa sun temples etc.

see africans are hebrews, indians are the jews, red flavius jospehus, contra apinon chapter 1 verse 22. he was a jew himself, even aristotle read jospehus. the vast number of jews came from a khazerian coversion circa 740 ad. see if i had the real power, i would "loan" the chosen title to others and use them/sacrifice them, not get your own hurt/killed. after all if you were the "master/chosen" race, you would sacrifce lesser races not your own.

this is why i am for one creator, one race, one class etc, everyone equal, the creator made us all, one love etc. the world is more evil, clever than you could fathom/imgaine. the serpent is the most subtle of all beats. although its not the serpents fault as snakes are animals, etc, its just used as a symbol of evil. buddha encountered a SNAKE/COBRA AND SHELTERD HIM FROM RAIN. SNAKES ONLY ATTACK FROM FEAR.

anoninnyc

17-07-2007, 01:28 AM

december

17-07-2007, 02:24 AM

... like Greek gods?_ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Greek_deity_head_left_icon.PNG
..or school?

Hello, Edit.

Take a close look at the face of the ancient Greek girl (especially nose) and the face of this modern man and you will see that they are almost the same .....
It seems like these Greek 'gods' came from North, from the land which is known today as Russia.

http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/O/U/ApolloBelvedereDraw1898-l.jpghttp://kuriyanovich.ru/images/gallery/P8310143.JPG

Edit, I really like your new avatar, by the way... :)

december

17-07-2007, 02:40 AM

.....i was taught that sanskrit is the ancient language of northern india and is not related to the dravidian languages of southern india.

There are THOUSANDS of words in Sanskrit which have the same meaning and spelling as in Russian language.

Those who speak Sanskrit understand Russian language, they don't even need an interpreter...

Many scholars believe that Sanskrit is old Russian language...

i am in vodka bar, with nice russian blonde giving a me a blow job, whilst dictating to another blonde who has my laptop, lol

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5460&page=4

Also, on old David Icke forum synergy777 said that in India they have Kamasutra, so they f*ck like rabits, and one day they will overpower the White People by the numbers.

On Illusions forum synergy777 said that "We have to kill as many whites as possible..."

edit

17-07-2007, 03:28 AM

Hmm..
north or ... http://www.laluna-vzw.be/image/North%20by%20Northwest%201.jpg
anyways........
Some Tough Guys...http://classics.uc.edu/~johnson/epic/aeneid_images/agamemnon.jpg
... like Greek gods?_

Tough Guys... Familiar Faces ? http://www.blaskan.nu/Bilder/kirk_douglas.jpg
http://www.blaskan.nu/Blaskan/Nummer28/Ledare/sterling_hayden_hardest.html
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1073/Mptv/1073/5667-0007.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0053125http://www.loc.gov/wiseguide/aug03/images/presidents-a.jpg
http://www.loc.gov/wiseguide/aug03/presidents.html
http://www.dvdmegapacks.com/ystore/backend/images/04e0c520dfb53dfb1fe6f9b986268056.jpg

http://www.cowboypoetry.com/mulhall-lucille.gif__like..the..Western Movie Magic _______http://www.npw.co.uk/media/w3956_wildwest_cards_front.jpg
http://blog.uncovering.org/archives/2006/01/esparguete_ocid.html

... SILENT WESTERN MOVIE STAR
http://www.cowboypoetry.com/psisk.htm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Greek_deity_head_left_icon.PNG
..or school?
seen the..http://www.gorila.sk/i/imgs_orig/158/6158.jpgTough Guys and Gals: http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2006_Bandidas/2006_bandidas_004.jpg

december

17-07-2007, 03:36 AM

Hmm..
...seen the..http://www.gorila.sk/i/imgs_orig/158/6158.jpgTough Guys and Gals: http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2006_Bandidas/2006_bandidas_004.jpg

http://img.ruslania.com/pictures/big/400388-tshapaev.jpg

Chapaev (Russian: «Чапаев») is a 1934 Soviet film. It was directed by brothers Georgi Vasilyev and Sergei Vasilyev on Lenfilm. It is a story about Vasily Ivanovich Chapaev (1887-1919), a legendary Red Army commander that became a hero of the Russian Civil War. The plot is based on the novel of the same name by Dmitri Furmanov, a Russian writer and Bolshevik commissar who fought together with Chapayev.

It was awarded as "Best Foreign Film" by US National Board of Review in 1935 and Grand-Prix of Paris World Affair in 1937.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapaev_(film)

edit

17-07-2007, 03:45 AM

But.. those are not like these Golden Ones! Are they? http://classics.uc.edu/~johnson/epic/aeneid_images/agamemnon.jpg
... like Greek gods?
Tough Guys... Familiar Faces ? http://www.blaskan.nu/Bilder/kirk_douglas.jpg
http://www.blaskan.nu/Blaskan/Nummer28/Ledare/sterling_hayden_hardest.html
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1073/Mptv/1073/5667-0007.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0053125http://www.loc.gov/wiseguide/aug03/images/presidents-a.jpg
http://www.loc.gov/wiseguide/aug03/presidents.html

Are those Men or Gods ? Greek or not Greek ?

(BTW.. I like Kirk very much )

december

17-07-2007, 03:52 AM

..Like this Golden Ones ?
Are those Men or Gods ? Greek or not Greek ?

There were men who became gods for some people...

..(BTW.. I like Kirk very much )

Well, then you'll kile Babochkin... :)

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_01_img0099.jpg

edit

17-07-2007, 03:54 AM

Kirk Douglas - Wikipedia in The Big Trees_http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Kirk_douglas_big_trees03.jpg

fullfathomfive

17-07-2007, 04:01 AM

I'm Spartacus!

anoninnyc

17-07-2007, 04:29 AM

them

17-07-2007, 08:44 AM

http://pablocine.blogia.com/upload/20060813154148-spartacus.jpg

Spartacus was Thracian.

http://tourins.com/jp/Gallery/images/Thracian%20Tomb.jpg

synergy777

17-07-2007, 03:27 PM

i like december he is a great guy. he ignores data but worships my piss taking, dude you are my number 1 fan, i love you bro, lol. you actually help me, and you don't realise it, lol

as for rabbits/kama sutra, dude check demographics. also as for killing white people, the nwo have enough prats like you to do their bidding. dude if you come from us, how can i kill a brother. the only thing that pisses me off, is the lack of brains, courage, love, unity and equality you show us. now if only someone could wake you up. i mean you expect me to take you seriously when you think the nwo excludes nwo dream state russia. you a are russian hitler, oops that was stalin. stalin killed more than hitler, you know that don't you. remember the cossacks etc. see december there are many white prople on this forum who know me, eg john white, the irony, lol luma etc. the great thing is that those who are more intelligent than you know the score, you are just a humourous diversion, to the mundane. also you spam style is awesome, especially the coloured fonts, artistic dude.

synergy speaks, and december takes it as gospel, get off my dick, you just got the vapours.

1love bro.

synergy777

17-07-2007, 03:29 PM

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http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saran...-invasion.html

Introduction

The aryan invasion theory has been one of the most controversial historical topics for well over a century. However, it should be pointed out that it remains just that – a theory. To date no hard evidence has proven the aryan invasion theory to be fact. In this essay we will explain the roots of this hypothesis and how, due to recent emergence of new evidence over the last couple of decades, the validity of the aryan invasion theory has been seriously challenged.

It is indeed ironic that the origin of this theory does not lie in Indian records, but in 19th Century politics and German nationalism. No where in the Vedas, Puranas or Itihasas is there any mention of a Migration or Invasion of any kind. In 1841 M.S. Elphinstone, the first governor of the Bombay Presidency, wrote in his book History of India:

'It is opposed to their (Hindus) foreign origin, that neither in the Code (of Manu) nor, I believe, in the Vedas, nor in any book that is certainly older than the code, is there any allusion to a prior residence or to a knowledge of more than the name of any country out of India. Even mythology goes no further than the Himalayan chain, in which is fixed the habitation of the gods... .To say that it spread from a central point is an unwarranted assumption, and even to analogy; for, emigration and civilization have not spread in a circle, but from east to west. Where, also, could the central point be, from which a language could spread over India, Greece, and Italy and yet leave Chaldea, Syria and Arabia untouched? There is no reason whatever for thinking that the Hindus ever inhabited any country but their present one, and as little for denying that they may have done so before the earliest trace of their records or tradition.’

The Birth of a Misconception
Interest in the field of Indology during the 19th Century was of mixed motivations. Many scholars such as August Wilhelm von Schlegal, Hern Wilhelm von Humboldt, and Arthur Schopenhauer lauded praise upon the Vedic literatures and their profound wisdom, others were less than impressed. To accept that there was an advanced civilization outside the boundaries of Europe, at a time before the Patriarchs Abraham and Moses had made their covenant with the Almighty was impossible to conceive of for most European scholars, who harbored a strong Christian tendency. Most scholars of this period were neither archeologists nor historians in the strict sense of the word. Rather, they were missionaries paid by their governments to establish western cultural and racial superiority over the subjugated Indian citizens, through their study of the indigenous religious texts. Consequently, for racial, political and religious reasons, early European indologists created a myth that still survives to this day.

It was established by linguists that Sanskrit, Iranian and European languages all belonged to the same family, categorizing them as ‘Indo-European’ languages. It was assumed that all these people originated from one homeland where they spoke a common language (which they called ‘Proto-Indo-European’ or PIE) which later developed into Sanskrit, Latin, Greek etc. They then needed to ascertain where this homeland was. By pure speculation, it was proposed that this homeland was either southeast Europe or Central Asia.

Harappa and Mohenjo-daro
The discovery of ruins in the Indus Valley (Harappa and Mohenjo-daro) was considered by indologists like Wheeler as proof of their conjectures – that a nomadic tribe from foreign lands had plundered India. It was pronounced that the ruins dated back to a time before the Aryan Invasion, although this was actually never verified. By assigning a period of 200 years to each of the several layers of the pre-Buddhist Vedic literature, indologists arrived at a time frame of somewhere between 1500 and 1000BC for the Invasion of the Aryans. Using Biblical chronology as their sheet anchor, nineteenth century indologists placed the creation of the world at 4000BC 1 and Noah’s flood at 2500BC. They thus postulated that the Aryan Invasion could not have taken place any time before 1500BC.

Archeologists excavating the sites at Harappa and Mohenjo-daro found human skeletal remains; this seemed to them to be undeniable evidence that a large-scale massacre had taken place in these cities by the invading Aryan hordes. Prof. G. F. Dales (Former head of department of South-Asian Archaeology and Anthropology, Berkeley University, USA) in his ‘The Mythical Massacre at Mohenjo-daro’, states the following about this evidence:

Mohenjo-daro

‘What of these skeletal remains that have taken on such undeserved importance? Nine years of extensive excavations at Mohenjo-daro (1922-31) - a city of three miles in circuit - yielded the total of some 37 skeletons, or parts thereof, that can be attributed with some certainty to the period of the Indus civilizations. Some of these were found in contorted positions and groupings that suggest anything but orderly burials. Many are either disarticulated or incomplete. They were all found in the area of the Lower Town - probably the residential district. Not a single body was found within the area of the fortified citadel where one could reasonably expect the final defense of this thriving capital city to have been made…Where are the burned fortresses, the arrow heads, weapons, pieces of armor, the smashed chariots and bodies of the invaders and defenders? Despite the extensive excavations at the largest Harappan sites, there is not a single bit of evidence that can be brought forth as unconditional proof of an armed conquest and the destruction on the supposed scale of the Aryan Invasion.’
Evidence from the Vedas

It was therefore concluded that light-skinned nomads from Central Asia who wiped out the indigenous culture and enslaved or butchered the people, imposing their alien culture upon them had invaded the Indian subcontinent. They then wrote down their exploits in the form of the Rg Veda. This hypothesis was apparently based upon references in the Vedas that point to a conflict between the light-skinned Aryans and the dark-skinned Dasyus. 2 This theory was strengthened by the archeological discoveries in the Indus Valley of the charred skeletal remains that we have mentioned above. Thus the Vedas became nothing more than a series of poetic tales about the skirmishes between two barbaric tribes.

However, there are other references in the Rg Veda 3 that point to India being a land of mixed races. The Rg Veda also states that "We pray to Indra to give glory by which the Dasyus will become Aryans." 4 Such a statement confirms that to be an Aryan was not a matter of birth.

An inattentive skimming through the Vedas has resulted in a gross misinterpretation of social and racial struggles amongst the ancient Indians. North Aryans were pitted against the Southern Dravidians, high-castes against low-castes, civilized orthodox Indians against barbaric heterodox tribals. The hypothesis that of racial hatred between the Aryans and the dark-skinned Dasyus has no sastric foundation, yet some ‘scholars’ have misinterpreted texts to try to prove that there was racial hatred amongst the Aryans and Dravidians (such as the Rg Veda story of Indra slaying the demon Vrta 5 ).

Based on literary analysis, many scholars including B.G. Tilak, Dayananda Saraswati and Aurobindo dismissed any idea of an Aryan Invasion. For example, if the Aryans were foreign invaders, why is it that they don’t name places outside of India as their religious sites? Why do the Vedas only glorify holy places within India?

Max Mueller What is an ‘Aryan’?

The Sanskrit word ‘Aryan’ refers to one who is righteous and noble. It is also used in the context of addressing a gentleman (Arya-putra, Aryakanya etc). 6 Nowhere in the Vedic literature is the word used to denote race or language. This was a concoction by Max Mueller who, in 1853, introduced the word ‘Arya’ into the English language as referring a particular race and language. He did this in order to give credibility to his Aryan race theory (see Part 2). However in 1888, when challenged by other eminent scholars and historians, Mueller could see that his reputation was in jeopardy and made the following statement, thus refuting his own theory -

"I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language...to me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar."
(Max Mueller, Biographies of Words and the Home of the Aryas, 1888, pg 120)

But the dye had already been cast! Political and Nationalist groups in Germany and France exploited this racial phenomenon to propagate the supremacy of an assumed Aryan race of white people. Later, Adolf Hitler used this ideology to the extreme for his political hegemony and his barbaric crusade to terrorize Jews, Slavs and other racial minorities, culminating in the holocaust of millions of innocent people.

According to Mueller’s etymological explanation of ‘Aryan’, the word is derived from ‘ar’ (to plough, to cultivate). Therefore Arya means ‘a cultivator, or farmer’. This is opposed to the idea that the Aryans were wandering nomads. V.S. Apte's Sanskrit-English Dictionary relates the word Arya to the root ‘r-’ to which the prefix ‘a’ has been added in order to give a negating meaning. Therefore the meaning of Arya is given as ‘excellent, best’, followed by ‘respectable’ and as a noun, ‘master, lord, worthy, honorable, excellent,’ ‘upholder of Arya values, and further: teacher, employer, master, father-in-law, friend.’ " see it misses out mother in law, lol"

more at the link.

http://dedanaan.com/vedic-origins-ch...druid-cousins/

Our Druid Cousins
By Peter Berresford Ellis
Hinduism Today 2/2000

Meet the brahmins of ancient Europe, the high caste of Celtic society.

The Celtic people spread from their homeland in what is now Germany across Europe in the first millennium bce. Iron tools and weapons rendered them superior to their neighbors. They were also skilled farmers, road builders, traders and inventors of a fast two-wheeled chariot. They declined in the face of Roman, Germanic and Slavic ascendency by the second centuries bce. Here Peter Berresford Ellis, one of Europe’s foremost experts of the Celts, explains how modern research has revealed the amazing similarities between ancient Celt and Vedic culture. The Celt’s priestly caste, the Druids, has become a part of modern folklore. Their identity is claimed by New Age enthusiasts likely to appear at annual solstice gatherings around the ancient megaliths of northwest Europe. While sincerely motivated by a desire to resurrect Europe’s ancient spiritual ways, Ellis says these modern Druids draw more upon fanciful reconstructions of the 18th century than actual scholarship.

The Druids of the ancient Celtic world have a startling kinship with the brahmins of the Hindu religion and were, indeed, a parallel development from their common Indo-European cultural root which began to branch out probably five thousand years ago. It has been only in recent decades that Celtic scholars have begun to reveal the full extent of the parallels and cognates between ancient Celtic society and Vedic culture.

The Celts were the first civilization north of the European Alps to emerge into recorded history. At the time of their greatest expansion, in the 3rd century bce, the Celts stretched from Ireland in the west, through to the central plain of Turkey in the east; north from Belgium, down to Cadiz in southern Spain and across the Alps into the Po Valley of Italy. They even impinged on areas of Poland and the Ukraine and, if the amazing recent discoveries of mummies in China’s province of Xinjiang are linked with the Tocharian texts, they even moved as far east as the area north of Tibet.

The once great Celtic civilization is today represented only by the modern Irish, Manx and Scots, and the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons. Today on the northwest fringes of Europe cling the survivors of centuries of attempted conquest and “ethnic cleansing” by Rome and its imperial descendants. But of the sixteen million people who make up those populations, only 2.5 million now speak a Celtic language as their mother tongue.

The Druids were not simply a priesthood. They were the intellectual caste of ancient Celtic society, incorporating all the professions: judges, lawyers, medical doctors, ambassadors, historians and so forth, just as does the brahmin caste. In fact, other names designate the specific role of the “priests.” Only Roman and later Christian propaganda turned them into “shamans,” “wizards” and “magicians.” The scholars of the Greek Alexandrian school clearly described them as a parallel caste to the brahmins of Vedic society.

The very name Druid is composed of two Celtic word roots which have parallels in Sanskrit. Indeed, the root vid for knowledge, which also emerges in the Sanskrit word Veda, demonstrates the similarity. The Celtic root dru which means “immersion” also appears in Sanskrit. So a Druid was one “immersed in knowledge.”

Because Ireland was one of the few areas of the Celtic world that was not conquered by Rome and therefore not influenced by Latin culture until the time of its Christianization in the 5th century ce, its ancient Irish culture has retained the most clear and startling parallels to Hindu society.

Professor Calvert Watkins of Harvard, one of the leading linguistic experts in his field, has pointed out that of all the Celtic linguistic remains, Old Irish represents an extraordinarily archaic and conservative tradition within the Indo-European family. Its nominal and verbal systems are a far truer reflection of the hypothesized parent tongue, from which all Indo-European languages developed, than are Classical Greek or Latin. The structure of Old Irish, says Professor Watkins, can be compared only with that of Vedic Sanskrit or Hittite of the Old Kingdom.

The vocabulary is amazingly similar. The following are just a few examples:

Old Irish - aire (noble) | arya (freeman), Sanskrit
Old Irish - naib (good) | noeib (holy), Sanskrit
Old Irish - bodhar (deaf) | badhira (deaf), Sanskrit
Old Irish - nemed (respect) | names (respect), Sanskrit
Old Irish - righ or rí* (king) | raja (king), Sanskrit

more at the link.

i think ethiopia/india were the start. the swastika is found in churches in africa, temples in india and monuments all over europe. also celts are mixed, they have iberian/berber, this imho are the latest indo element, eg the "black irish" as in black hair etc. although aryan as a culture is a global one, from asia, europe, americas. wherever the swastika is, its a sign of vedic culture. hence really we are one family/culture. look at sanskrit, it gave birth to hebrew, latin, latin to english. the numbers 1, 2, 3 are sanskrit, before they used roman numerals eg M, V, X, C etc. i can post links, pics. see there was a global culture, trade, interaction in the old days. after all, if they "discovered" africa, india, america in the days of columbus etc, then why is there evidence to suggest prior contact. heck if they had crusades to israel before, then its starts to make sense. so what came first columbus or the crusades, the crusades. i think tsarion has some good points, eire being a refuge for those wanting to leave the tyranny of india/egypt/persia, which was governed by the serpent clergy/brotherhood. also look at romany migration, these are from panjab, north india. i think the medival/dark ages and the subsequent renaissance/rebirth, has twisted history, to deny us our shared heritage/origin, divide and rule. the thing they couldn't wipe out was the proof of prior interaction.

AIRE = EIRE
ARYA = ARYAN = IRAN

this why the middle east is crucial, this was the launch pad of migration into europe. why are the elite obsessed with babaylon/iraq "thats where the tribes were scattered after the tower of babel". iran, syria, egypt, etc. then you can add in the noah angle, the ark being in turkey/anatolia, or the annunaki/tigris/euphrates. the bloodline angle from persia, they love their bloodlines. also aryan = aire = aris = aristrocracy. also the black/caspian sea/caucasus mountains/georgia was another migration base.

synergy777

17-07-2007, 03:30 PM

sanskrit is the basis for all languages in india, sanskrit is even is in africa, search for naga kings of india.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/...clyde-winters/

now does haile selassie, look like african or indian?

Ancient African Kings Of India

By

Dr. Clyde Winters

Ethiopians have had very intimate relations with Indians. In fact, in antiquity the Ethiopians ruled much of India. These Ethiopians were called the Naga. It was the Naga who created Sanskrit.

Devanagari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

deva-naga-ri

Devanāgarī (देवनागरी) is an abugida script used to write, either along with other scripts, or exclusively, several Indian languages, including Sanskrit, Hindi, Marathi, Sindhi, Bihari, Bhili, Marwari, Konkani, Bhojpuri, languages from Nepal like Nepali, Tharu Nepal Bhasa and sometimes Kashmiri and Romani.
bro i'm indian, from sri lanka to palestine, including egypt, we understand eachother. heck after understanding these languages, i can without training understand spanish/italian very easily. i am dravidic/north indian. panjab and upwards is the starting place of north indian, bro, from the indus river, mohen daro, way back in time. from the vedas, krishna, h-aryan-a, mahabharat, etc.

Dravidian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Elam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Elamites called their country Haltamti (in later Elamite, Atamti), which the neighboring Akkadians rendered as Elam. Elam means "highland". Additionally, the Haltamti are known as Elam in the Hebrew Old Testament, where they are called the offspring of Elam, eldest son of Shem (see Elam in the Bible).

see one things which i try to do, is look at people with out recently invenmted nationalities. as these are fromn newly created borders. its pakistan and india, we are the same, but this division is from recent politics. you have to view the data from the time peroid it is in, in context to the data's epoch etc. see gerald massey, godfrey higgins, etc have researched the ancient kingdoms of africa/india. they were two landmasses connected by arabia, but had the same king/royalty. the languages that first came about, were african based, as man was created there. the first kingdoms, empires were african. we indians are africans who have adapted to the environment of india, just as euroepans are indian/indo who have adapted to their climate. you are your coilour due to the climate you live in, previous generations of breeding/adapting. if you moved to hot country, you would tan. your kids being born there would tan more, as the body adjusts. 2/3 generations, your kids kids etc would be brown.

i'm not being horrible, but the only aryan connection english language has is through its germanic/latin roots. english is a hybrid and new language. look at the evolution of english.

Naga Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nagavanshi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://www.vedamsbooks.com/no28552.htm

http://mindwarz.com/media/node/2825

Ancient African Kings Of India

Submitted by Mindwarz on Wed, 2007-03-21 01:13. african ancient civilization india
By Dr. Clyde Winters

Ethiopians have had very intimate relations with Indians. In fact, in antiquity the Ethiopians ruled much of India. These Ethiopians were called the Naga. It was the Naga who created Sanskrit.

A reading of ancient Dravidian literature which dates back to 500 BC, gives us considerable information on the Naga. In Indian tradition the Naga won central India from the Villavar (bowmen) and Minavar (fishermen).

The Naga were great seamen who ruled much of India, Sri Lanka and Burma. To the Aryans they described as half man and snake. The Tamil knew them as warlike people who used the and noose.

The earliest mention of the Naga, appear in the Ramayana , they are also mentioned in the Mahabharata. In the Mahabharata we discover that the
Naga had the capital city in the Dekkan, and other cities spread between the Jumna and Ganges as early as 1300 BC. The Dravidian classic, the Chilappathikaran made it clear that the first great kingdom of India was
Naganadu.

The Naga probably came from Kush-Punt/Ethiopia. The Puntites were the greatest sailors of the ancient world. In the Egyptian inscriptions there is mention of the Puntite ports of Outculit, Hamesu and Tekaru, which corresponds to Adulis, Hamasen and Tigre.

In Sumerian text, it is claimed that the Puntites traded with the people of the Indus Valley or Dilmun. According to S.N. Kramer in The Sumerians, part of Punt was probably called Meluhha, and Dilmun was probably the ancient name of the Indus Valley. (Today some scholars maintain that Oman, where we find no ancient cities was Dilmun and the Indus Valley may have been Meluhha).

Ancient Ethiopian traditions support the rule of Puntites or Ethiopians of India. In the Kebra Nagast, we find mention of the Arwe kings who ruled India. The founder of the dynasty was Za Besi Angabo. This dynasty according to the Kebra Nagast began around 1370 BC. These rulers of India and Ethiopia were called Nagas. The Kebra Nagast claims that ” Queen Makeda “had servants and merchants; they traded for her at sea and on land in the Indies and Aswan”. It also says that her son Ebna Hakim or Menelik I, made a campaign in the Indian Sea; the king of India made gifts and donations and prostrated himself before him”. It is also said that Menalik ruled an empire that extended from the rivers of Egypt (Blue Nile) to the west and from the south Shoa to eastern India”, according to the Kebra
Nagast. The Kebra Nagast identification of an eastern Indian empre ruled by
the Naga, corresponds to the Naga colonies in the Dekkan, and on the East
coast between the Kaviri and Vaigai rivers.

The presence of Meluhhaites/ Puntites in India may expain the Greek tradition of Kusites ruling India up to the Ganges. It would also explain the Aryan traditions of Mlechchas ( Sanskrit name for some of the non-Aryan people) as one of the aboriginal groups of India. Many scholars associate the name Mlechchas with Meluhha.

The major Naga tribes were the Maravar, Eyinar, Oliyar, Oviyar, Aru-Valur and Parathavar. The Nagas resisted the invansion of the Cholas. In the Kalittokai IV,1-5, the Naga are described as being “of strong limbs and hardy frames and fierce looking tigers wearing long and curled locks of hair.” The Naga kings of Sri Lanka are mentioned in the: Mahawanso, and are said to have later become Dravidians, as testified to by the names of these people: Naganathan, Nagaratnam, Nagaraja, nagra. and etc.

The major gift of the Naga to India was the writing system: Nagari. Nagari is the name for the Sanskrit script. Over a hundred years ago Sir William Jones, pointed out that the ancient Ethiopic and Sanskrit writing are one and the same.

William Jones, explained that the Ethiopian origin of Sanskrit was supported by the fact that both writing systems the writing went from left to right and the vowels
were annexed to the consonants. Today Eurocentric scholars teach that Indians taught writing to the Ethiopians, yet the name Nagari for Sanskrit betrays the Ethiopia origin of this form of writing. Moreover, it is interesting to note that Sanskrit vowels: a,aa,’,I,u,e,o, virama etc., are in the same order as Geez.

The Ethiopian script has influenced many other writing systems. Y.M. Kobishnor, in the Unesco History of Africa, maintains that Ethiopic was used as the model for Armenian writing, as was many of the Transcaucasian scripts. Dravidian literature indicate that the Naga may have introduced worship of Kali, the Serpent, Murugan and the Sun or Krishna. It is interesting to note that a god called Murugan is worshipped by many people in East Africa.

It is interesting that Krishna, who was associated with the Sun, means Black, this is analogous to the meaning of Khons of the Kushites. Homer, described Hercules as follows: “Black he stood as night his uncased, his arrow string for flight”. This mention of arrows identifies the Kushites as warriors who
used the , a common weapon of the Kushites and the Naga.

Kumarinadu

The Naga or Ethiopians were defeated by Dravidian speaking people from Kumarinadu. Kamarinadu is suppose to have formerly existed as a large Island in the India ocean which connected India with East Africa. This landmass is mentioned in the Silappadikaram, which said that Kamarinadu was made up of seven nadus or regions. The Dravidian scholars Adiyarkunallar and Nachinaar wrote about the ancient principalities of Tamilaham, which existed on Kamarinadu.

Kumarinadu was ruled by the Pandyans/Pandians at Madurai before it
sunk beneath the sea. The greatest king of Kumarinadu was Sengoon.
According to Dravidian scholars the Pandyans worshipped the goddess Kumari Amman. This Amman, probably corresponds to the ancient god Amon of the Kushites.

The Kalittokai 104, makes it clear that after the Pandyans were forced to migrate off their Island home into South India, “to compensate for the area lost to the great s of the sea, King Pandia without tiresome moved to the other countries and won them. Removing the emblems of tiger (Cholas) and (Cheras) he, in their place inscribed his reputed emblem fish (Pandia’s) and valiantly made his enemies to him”.

synergy777

17-07-2007, 03:59 PM

i have to look into this when i have more time. this is all new information to me. i was taught that sanskrit is the ancient language of northern india and is not related to the dravidian languages of southern india.

so synergy your theory is that white people came from africa originally via india? like africa then moved to india then moved to middle east and europe?

i have noticed that indian people can be very racist towards blacks and it is taboo for an indian to marry a black person. any thoughts on why this may be?

its true it is a taboo. indian/arabs/persians are very proud, arab in indian means proud/headstrong, guess what like ismael in the bible. we asian are arrogant people, why? well its history/religion/culture, the aryan thing, hyskos, original jews, krishna, buddha, three abrahamic religions, hinduism, buddhism, sikhism, vedas, algebra, chess, polo, the numbers 1,2, 3, oil, future economy, computers, the pentium chips were all designed by indians, silicon valley is awash with asians, medicine is awash with asians etc, our culture, cuisine, clothes, architecture, etc. they look down on everyother race. this i detest and speak frankly about it. this is why i also tell others who think they are superior eg europeans, that the jokes on you, we know it, you don't. whose to blame, the elite. they control the indoctrination of the ignorant masses. they play up to cultural pride, nationalistic propaganda is seductive to the ego etc. see the elite, they all work together, murdochs got a chinese wife etc, now would he marry an inferior race?

see the jokes on us ignorant masses, thats why they take the piss, and yet the masses still be loyal to them. some people like submissive, abusive relationships, i like equality. ask yourself, why the european academic elite throughout history from voltaire, socrates, oppenheimer, twain etc all call india the cradle of civlisation. are you telling me they are dumb/wrong, which then if true, destroys the european intellectual elitism.

see we all come from the same place, africans are the most purest race on earth, asians, euroepans all come from there, and who do we all look down on? we should unite, not fight.

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/index_new.htm

read the quotes, see what the greatest thinkers of the modern era think of india, vedas, algebra, trigonmetry, aryuvedic medicine, yoga etc. etc

you can use this in two ways, as a foundation to create a superiority complex aka max muller, or use for proof of a shared heritage, a unifying catalyst. i see it as the latter. i think all races should love/marry/breed with eachother, if the two partners want to. if love is a blessing from the creator, and the creator made us all, then why does man judge ? does he know more than the creator, nope i don't think so, lol

thats why taking the piss is easy, as people have fallen victim, support ridicolous doctrines. see i look at the persons personality/soul, if it matchs/fits, compliments/balances eachother, then its all good. i don't care what race, culture, religion etc she is from. see i have resistance from asians, who say no way, they are savages, barabarians. then i get resistence from you europeans, who say we are savages, barbarians, see the correlation?

but luckily both sides know fuck all compared to synergy, so i just give you both the blessing of my piss taking, its far better than the wrath, lol love me or hate me, you can't out debate me, lol

1 love.

william_mac

17-07-2007, 04:07 PM

That's very cool. It's so strange how black people, latin people, and asian people all share the same characteristics of the face (nose, eyes, cheek bones) yet white people have very thin bridged noses in most cases, and their eyes are not slanted in an almond shape.

It's all very interesting to learn. Perhaps the skin color could be attributed to less sunshine and colder temperatures.

-William

synergy777

17-07-2007, 04:20 PM

its evident if in summer you tan, now if england etc were spanish temperature, what colour would you be? also its genetics aswell, as there are people in hot countries that stay white . the irony being you get europeans who tan more than asians. when i go our friday/saturday, i see chicks with a better tan than me, lol

anoninnyc

17-07-2007, 05:42 PM

its true it is a taboo. indian/arabs/persians are very proud, arab in indian means proud/headstrong, guess what like ismael in the bible. we asian are arrogant people, why? well its history/religion/culture, the aryan thing, hyskos, original jews, krishna, buddha, three abrahamic religions, hinduism, buddhism, sikhism, vedas, algebra, chess, polo, the numbers 1,2, 3, oil, future economy, computers, the pentium chips were all designed by indians, silicon valley is awash with asians, medicine is awash with asians etc, our culture, cuisine, clothes, architecture, etc. they look down on everyother race. this i detest and speak frankly about it. this is why i also tell others who think they are superior eg europeans, that the jokes on you, we know it, you don't. whose to blame, the elite. they control the indoctrination of the ignorant masses. they play up to cultural pride, nationalistic propaganda is seductive to the ego etc. see the elite, they all work together, murdochs got a chinese wife etc, now would he marry an inferior race?

see the jokes on us ignorant masses, thats why they take the piss, and yet the masses still be loyal to them. some people like submissive, abusive relationships, i like equality. ask yourself, why the european academic elite throughout history from voltaire, socrates, oppenheimer, twain etc all call india the cradle of civlisation. are you telling me they are dumb/wrong, which then if true, destroys the european intellectual elitism.

you cannot lump indians in with persians and arabs. all three are very different. persians and indians are not semitic while arabs are. arabs invented algebra and persians invented polo and chess is disputed (some say indians persians or even chinese). i am in no way saying that india is not and was not a great civilization and one of the earliest cradles of civilization but i do not believe in the superior attitude of either the europeans or the indians. i find them both vulgar. both white people and indian people should be proud (or maybe not as you don't really have a choice what race or ethnicity you are born into). but if you really want to break it down, the iranians, the aryans are the ones who gave the jews the idea of monotheism from (zoroastrianism), who gave the indians the vedas.

felakuti

17-07-2007, 06:20 PM

I can't believe what some people have typed here about Africans. Someone even had the nerve to claim that Africans had produced 'no high civilization', wholly ignorant of the fact that Africans produced perhaps TEN high civilizations before Greece emerged in 800 BC.

No wonder there's so much racism against blacks by people of other races - it's simply down to sheer, tragic IGNORANCE among many of the achievements of the black race. Perpetuated by the media, 'entertainment', and ''education''.

A brief course in history:

To the ancient Greek and Latin writers contemporary with the ancient Egyptians the physical classification posed no problems with them: the ancient Egyptians were black, snub-nosed, thick lips, with curly hair. [Primary evidence]

Herodotus: "there were eighteen Ethiopian kings, and one queen, native to the country" (The Histories, Book 2:100)

"Colchians are an Egyptian race . . . . the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too." (The Histories, Book 2:104)

Professor William Petrie "The Father of Egyptian Pre-history"

Egyptologist Petrie, excavations at Nagada and Ballas in Upper Egypt nearly 100 years ago unearth nearly 2200 ancient graves. He wrote over a thousand books, articles and reviews reporting on his excavations and his finds.

Petrie, W.M. Flinders, The Making of Egypt, Sheldon Press, New York, 1939, p. 105:

Sudanese Dynasties:

"Scorpion king of the Anu [Aunu] culture".

"A breath of life came from the Sudan. This southern source was likewise the inspiration of . . ." the 1st, 2nd (Anu),

3rd [Sudanese], 4th, 5th, 12th [Sudanese] dynasties. "The 12th dynasty was undoubtedly descended from Amenemhat, the great vizier of the 11th dynasty. It seems, then, that he married the heiress of the Uah-ka family, as stated in the pseudo-prophecy, "A king shall come from the south whose name is Ameny, son a Nubian woman." She called her son by the family name Senusert, and he was the founder of the 12th dynasty, according to Manetho.

Ahmos Nefertari was one of their black queens. Her black strain seems to come through the Tao I and II ancestry. The 19th dynasty was a direct mixture of races." Petrie states: "Decay continued in a divided kingdom; Egypt seemed hopeless until a fresh Ethiopian invasion stimulated it, as in earlier instances". This was the beginning of the 25th dynasty.

See photo of kings Menes, Khasekhem and Djoser. Also the Gebel el-Arak Knife.

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The following was taken from Petrie, A History of Egypt - Part One, 1896, pp. 125-129:

"The Galla Penetration. It has long ago been remarked that the black sphinxes, later appropriated by the Hyksos, approximated to the Galla type of Abyssinia".

"This starts an enquiry how the Galla connection could thus appear on monuments. In the clearance and planning of the rock tombs at Qau, Antaeopolis, the peculiar plan of those tombs, with great halls and small chambers annexed, was observed to be closely parallel to that of later Nubian temples. In both tomb and temple the chief work is in the solid rock, while the forecourt is of masonry constructed in front of it. Another peculiarity was the hammer-work excavation of one tomb, which had evidently been done with stone balls, as in the Aswan granite working, and this implies a southern connection".

"These people do not appear in any records, and all their monuments have been reappropriated. They left, however, a most striking style of sculpture, in the sphinxes which were later removed to Tanis, but seem originally to have come from El Kab, where a piece of such a sphinx has been found.The type is closely like that of the Galla. The evidence that all the earlier sculptures of Tanis were collected there by Ramessu II seems clear; and that these sphinxes are earlier than the Hyksos is certain by those kings having appropriated them. No period seems so likely for them as the 7th to the 10th dynasties. The type was heavily bearded, with bushy hair". Petrie

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Nubia is a relatively modern name, introduced a mere 2000 years ago by the Greek geographer and historian Strabo (63 BC-24 AD), who met members of the Noba tribe and decided to call their country Nubia. For millennia before Strabo's visit, the Egyptians called it Ta-Seti, "Land of the Bow," because of its famous archers. Strabo visited the lands south of the Nile's first cataract in 29 B.C., he remarked on the region's mineral wealth.

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Ancient Text Source (Primary): (All of Africa south of Egypt was known to classical Greeks simply by the name, Ethiopia.)

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It has been observed that the annual procession of the sacred ship so often represented on Egyptian monuments, and the return of the deity from Ethiopia after some days' absence, serves to show the Ethiopian origin of Thebes, and of the worship of Jupiter Ammon. "I think," says Heeren, after quoting a passage from Diodorus about the holy ship, "that this procession is represented in one of the great sculptured reliefs on the temple of Karnak. The sacred ship of Ammon is on the shore with its whole equipment, and is towed along by another boat. It is therefore on its voyage. This must have been one of the most celebrated festivals, since, even according to the interpretation of antiquity, Homer alludes to it when he speaks of Jupiter's visit to the Ethiopians, and his twelve days' absence."--Long, "Egyptian Antiquities" vol. 1 p. 96. Eustathius, vol. 1 p. 98, sq. (ed. Basil) (quoting from the the Iliad, written by Homer in 800 B.C.E )

Greek historian Diodorus Siculus. From his own statements we learn that he traveled in Egypt around 60 BC. His travels in Egypt probably took him as far south as the first Cataract.

"They (the Ethiopians) say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris ["King of Kings and God of Gods] having been the leader of the colony . . . they add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws."

Diodorus's declared intention to trace the origins of the cult of Osiris, alias the Greek Dionysus also commonly known by his Roman name Bacchus. The Homeric Hymn "To Dionysus" locates the birth of Dionysus in a mysterious city of Nysa "near the streams of Aegyptus" (Hesiod 287). Diodorus cites this reference as well as the ancient belief that Dionysus was the son of Ammon, king of Libya (3.68.1), and much of Book 3 of the Bibliotheka Historica is devoted to the intertwined histories of Dionysus and the god-favored Ethiopians whom he believed to be the originators of Egyptian civilization.

(1st century B.C., Diodorus Siculus of Sicily, Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus, Universal History Book III. 2. 4-3. 3)

Dionysus is Osiris reinvented. The mysteries were neither of Cretan origin nor a part of the original Greek religion is well established by the fact that the initiatory rites as practiced among these islanders were open to everyone, in contrast to the secret rituals of Byblus, Cyprus, Thrace, Samothrace, and Eleusis (Diodorus, Book V, 77). The mystery, which originated in Egypt, was imported into Greece long after Zeus and his family had migrated from Mt. Ida to Mt. Olympus.

Diodorus devoted an entire chapter of his world history, the Bibliotheke Historica, or Library of History (Book 3), to the Kushites ["Aithiopians"] of Meroe.

Here he repeats the story of their great piety, their high favor with the gods, and adds the fascinating legend that they were the first of all men created by the gods and were the founders of Egyptian civilization, invented writing, and given the Egyptians their religion and culture. (3.3.2).

"Now they relate that of all people the Aithiopians [Ethiopians] were the earliest, and say that the proofs of this are clear. That they did not arrive as immigrants but are the natives of the country and therefore rightly are called authochthonous is almost universally accepted. That those who live in the South are likely to be the first engendered by the earth is obvious to all. For as it was the heat of the sun that dried up the earth while it was still moist, at the time when everything came into being, and caused life, they say it is probable that it was the region closest to the sun that first bore animate beings".

[160,000-year-old fossilized skulls uncovered in Ethiopia are oldest anatomically modern humans.]

Diodorus continues:

"They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Aithiopians are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity,"

"The Aithiopians [Ethiopians] say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement.The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian. Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them."

Such appurtenances as mentioned above are still very visible in the traditional monarchies of West Africa particularly in Nigeria and Ghana.

"There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes ; some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces, and curly hair".

(Diodous Siculus, Bibliotheke, 3. Translated by Tomas Hagg, in Fontes Historiae Nubiorum, vol. II: From the Mid-Fifth to the First Century BC (Bergen, Norway, 1996))

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Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) Greek philosopher, scientist, and tutor to Alexander the Great.

Aristotle is said to have written 150 philosophical treatises.

"Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two."

[I](Physiognomics, Vol. VI, 812a)

Aristotle makes reference to the hair form of Egyptians and Ethiopians: "Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair."

(Physiognomics, Book XIV, p. 317)

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The evidence of Lucian (Greek writer, 125 B.C.) is as explicit as that of the previous writers. He introduces two Greeks, Lycinus and Timolaus, who start a conversation:

Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): "This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin . . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman."

Timolaus: "But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus, All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place."

(Lucian, Navigations, paras 2-3)

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Herodotus (490-425 B.C.E.) The first Greek historian. Called the Father of History.

He reports faithfully what the Egyptian priests communicated to him as the history of their country, when he visited Egypt about 460 to 450 BC.

"I went as far as Elephantine [Aswan] to see what I could with my own eyes, but for the country still further south I had to be content with what I was told in answer to my questions. South of Elephantine the country is inhabited by Ethiopians. . . Beyond the island is a great lake, and round its shores live nomadic tribes of Ethiopians. After crossing the lake one comes again to the stream of the Nile, which flows into it . . . After forty days journey on land along the river, one takes another boat and in twelve days reaches a big city named Meroë, said to be the capital city of the Ethiopians. The inhabitants worship Zeus and Dionysus alone of the Gods, holding them in great honor".

"The Ethiopians to whom this embassy was sent are said to be the tallest and handsomest men in the whole world. In their customs they differ greatly from the rest of mankind, and particularly in the way they choose their kings; for they find out the man who is the tallest of all the citizens, and of strength equal to his height, and appoint him to rule over them . . . The spies were told that most of them lived to be a hundred and twenty years old, while some even went beyond that age --- they ate boiled flesh, and had for their drink nothing but milk. Among these Ethiopians copper is of all metals the most scarce and valuable. Also, last of all, they were allowed to behold the coffins of the Ethiopians, which are made (according to report) of crystal, after the following fashion: When the dead body has been dried, either in the Egyptian, or in some other manner, they cover the whole with gypsum, and adorn it with painting until it is as like the living man as possible. Then they place the body in a crystal pillar which has been hollowed out to receive it, crystal being dug up in great abundance in their country, and of a kind very easy to work. You may see the corpse through the pillar within which it lies; and it neither gives out any unpleasant odor, nor is it in any respect unseemly; yet there is no part that is not as plainly visible as if the body were bare. The next of kin keep the crystal pillar in their houses for a full year from the time of the death, and give it the first fruits continually, and honor it with sacrifice. After the year is out they bear the pillar forth, and set it up near the town. . ."

"Where the south declines towards the setting sun lies the country called Ethiopia, the last inhabited land in that direction. There gold is obtained in great plenty, huge elephants abound, with wild trees of all sorts, and ebony; and the men are taller, handsomer, and longer lived than anywhere else....When they went into battle they painted their bodies, half with chalk, and half with vermilion. . ."

(Herodotus: The Histories, c 430 BCE, Book II); Herodotus, The History, trans. George Rawlinson (New York: Dutton & Co., 1862)

Herodotus also asserted that "the names of nearly all the gods came to Greece from Egypt . . . for the names of all the gods have been known in Egypt from the beginning of time . . . It was the Egyptians too who originated, and taught the Greeks . . . ceremonial meeting, processions and liturgies . . . The Egyptians were also the first to assign each month and each day to a particular deity, and to foretell the date of a man's birth, his character, his fortunes, and the day of his death . . . The Egyptians, too have made more use of omens and prognostics than any other nation. . ."

(Herodotus, The Histories, 149-150; 152; 159).

In other words, AFRICANS introduced High civilization to Europeans, and yet, incredibly we find ourselves in a situation today where modern descendants of the Europeans are going around questioning whether Africans ever had any civilizations, and treating them with the utmost disdain?!?! (Talk about the irrepressible foolishness of man)

HERODOTUS CONTINUES:

There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too. But further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learned the custom of the Egyptians. And the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbors the Macronians, say that they have recently adopted it from the Colchians. Now these are the only nations who use circumcision, and it is plain that they all imitate herein the Egyptians. With respect to the Ethiopians, indeed, I cannot decide whether they learned the practice of the Egyptians, or the Egyptians of them (it is undoubtedly of very ancient date in Ethiopia). But that the others derived their knowledge of it from Egypt is clear to me, from the fact that the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised. (Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2:104)

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The opinion of the ancient writers on the Egyptians is more or less summed up by French Egyptologist Gaston Maspero The Dawn of Civilization (1894), when he says, "By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they [the Egyptians] belong to an African race which first settled in Ethiopia on the Middle Nile: following the course of the river they gradually reached the sea."

The German scholar, Eugen Georg, in his book The Adventure of Mankind (1931) p. 121, tells us about the ". . . world-wide dominance of Ethiopian representatives of the black race. They were supreme in Africa and Asia. In upper Egypt and India they erected mighty religious centers and mastered a perfect technique in the molding of bronze --- and they even infiltrated through Southern Europe for a thousand years."

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Stephanus of Byzantium, who is said to represent the opinions of the most ancient Greeks, says:

"Ethiopia was the first established country on the earth, and the Ethiopians were the first who introduced the worship of the Gods and who established laws."

Quoted by John D. Baldwin, Prehistoric Nations, p. 62.

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According to Professor Emeritus Frank M. Snowden Jr., (AB, AM, Ph.D.) Howard University Classicist Department --- reading of the sources, the Ethiopians "pioneered" religion, and were key to the origin and propagation of many of the customs which existed in Egypt. The Egyptians, it was argued, were descendants of the Ethiopians. Snowden states that the term Kushites, Nubians, or Ethiopians is to used in much the same way as the modern term "colored", "black, or Negro".

"The experiences of those Africans who reached the alien shores of Greece and Italy constituted an important chapter in the history of classical antiquity," he writes. "Using evidence from terra cotta figures, paintings, and classical sources like Herodotus and Pliny the Elder, Snowden proves, contrary to our modern assumptions, that Greco-Romans did not view Africans with racial contempt. Many Africans worked in the Roman Empire as musicians, artisans, scholars, and generals as well as slaves, and they were noted as much for their virtue as for their appearance of having a "burnt face" (from which came the Greek name Ethiopian)."

(Snowden Jr., Frank M. Blacks in Antiquity: Ethiopians in the Greco-Roman Experience. Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Mass.,1970; Before Color Prejudice: The Ancient View of Blacks (1983).)

Side Note: President Bush announced one of the 2003 Humanities medal to Frank M. Snowden Jr. (Washington, D.C.), one of the foremost scholars on blacks in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Italy, is Professor Emeritus of Classics at Howard University in Washington, D.C. A graduate of Harvard, Snowden has served as a member of the U.S. delegation to UNESCO in Paris and as a cultural attaché to the American Embassy in Rome. As a U.S. specialist lecturer for the Department of State, Snowden delivered lectures in Africa, Egypt, Italy, Austria, Greece, India, and Brazil. His many books on blacks in the ancient Mediterranean world include Blacks in Antiquity (1970), The Image of the Black in Western Art I: From the Pharaohs to the Fall of the Roman Empire, which he co-authored (1976), and Before Color Prejudice: The Ancient View of Blacks (1983). Snowden’s nominator writes, “Howard students will remember him for his dramatic classroom recitations in ancient Greek and Latin from memory and his plea for the beauty and universality of great literature.”

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Basil Davidson, born on November 9, 1914 in Bristol, England, well-known English scholar of African history. Combining archeological evidence and scholarly research Davidson traces the exciting development of the rich kingdoms of the lost cities of Africa, fifteen hundred years before European ships first came to African shores.

He noted that the blacks of Khartoum (in Sudan) manufactured pots before the inhabitants of Jericho, the world's earliest known city.

The Khartoum Mesolithic culture is dated about 7000 B.C. Prehistoric Egyptian artifacts dated a thousand years later would reflect a Khartoum influence. Between 5th century B.C. and 3rd century A.D., Meroe in Sudan was an iron-smelting center. 12th century Arab writer Edrisi reported numerous iron mines in Malindi and Sofala. Edrisi rated Sofala iron better than India iron. At that time, southeastern Africa exported smelted iron to India. (Malindi and Sofala are in modern Kenya and Mozambique respectively.)

(Davidson, Basil, The Lost Cities of Africa, Back Bay Books; Revised edition (1959)). Davidson has written more than 30 books on Africa since 1952.

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The Senegalese Physicist and African Egyptologist Cheikh Anta Diop (1923-1986) tells us in his book The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality (1974) that the Greek writer, Herodotus, may be mistaken, when he reports the customs of a people. "But one must grant that he was at least capable of recognizing the skin color of the inhabitants of countries he visited." His descriptions of the Egyptians were the descriptions of a Black people.

At this point the reader needs to be reminded of the fact that at the time of Herodotus's visit to Egypt and other parts of Africa (between 480 and 425 B.C.) Egypt's Golden Age was over. Egypt had suffered from several invasions, mainly the Kushite invasions, coming from within Africa, and starting in 751 B.C., and the Assyrians' invasions from Western Asia (called the Middle East), starting in 671 B.C. If Egypt, after years of invasions by other people and nations was a distinct Black African nation at the time of Herodotus, shouldn't we at least assume that it was more so before these invasions occurred?

Until the publication of James G. Spady's article, "Negritude, Pan-Benegritude and the Diopian Philsophy of African History," in A Current Bibliography on African Affairs, volume 5, number 1, January, 1972, and an interview by Harun Kofi Wangara, published in Black World magazine, February, 1974, Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop was known to only a small group of Black writers and teachers in the United States. His major works includes The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality, Lawrence Hill & Co; (1983)

(The book presents the historical, archaeological and anthropological evidence that supports the theory that the civilization of ancient Egypt, the first that history records, was Negroid in origin); The Peopling of Ancient Egypt & the Deciphering of the Meroitic Script, Karnak House, (1997) (A concise report of the 1974 Cairo conference and contains the arguments concerning the ethnic, linguistic and cultural composition of the ancient Egyptians as well as the deciphering of the merotic script). All of his books were originally published by Presence Africaine, the Paris-based publication arm of the International Society of African Culture.

The Legacy of a Genius: Cheikh Anta Diop (New York Amsterdam News; 10/8/2003; by Boyd, Herb) [Excerpts]:

"Two words - "union" and "intellectual" - were integral to Professor Diop and his dream to create a united Africa, as well as a singular pursuit of knowledge that made him one of the most versatile thinkers the world has ever seen. During an interview with Dr. Charles Finch, Diop recounted some of the early motivations that influenced his quest for knowledge and identity. "My desire to know my history, my culture, my personal problem - that is, my desire to become fulfilled as a person - led me to history." My efforts were geared towards the restoration of the linguistic and historical personality of Black Africans," Diop declared. In 1966, the first World Black Festival of Arts and Culture, held in Dakar, Senegal, honored Dr. Diop and Dr. W.E.B. DuBois as the scholars who exerted the greatest influence on African thought in the 20th century. For many aspiring Black thinkers, they represented the twin towers of African achievement."

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The Western Dilemma:

If Egypt is a dilemma in Western historiography, it is a created dilemma. The Western historians, in most cases, have rested the foundation of what is called "Western Civilization" on the false assumptions, or claim, that the ancient Egyptians were white people. To do this they had to ignore great masterpieces on Egyptian history written by other white historians who did not support this point of view, such as Gerald Massey's great classic, Ancient Egypt, The Light of the World, (1907) and his other works, A Book of the Beginnings and The Natural Genesis. Other neglected works by white writers are Politics, Intercourse, and Trade of the Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Egyptians, by A.H.L. Heeren (1833), and Ruins of Empires, by Count Volney (1787).

In the first chapter of his book, Dr. Diop refers to the Southern African origins of the people later known as Egyptians. Here he is on sound ground with a lot of support coming from another group of neglected white writers. In his book Egypt, British scholar Sir E.A. Wallis Budge says: "The prehistoric native of Egypt, both in the old and in the new Stone Ages, was African and there is every reason for saying that the earliest settlers came from the South."

He further states: "There are many things in the manners and customs and religions of the historic Egyptians that suggests that the original home of their prehistoric ancestors was in a country in the neighborhood of Uganda and Punt." (Some historians believe that the biblical land of Punt was in the area known on modern maps as Somalia.)

European interest in "Ethiopia and the Origin of Civilization" dates from the early part of the nineteenth century and is best reflected in a little known, though important, paper in German Egyptologist Karl Richard Lepsius' Incomparable Survey of the Monumental Ruins in the Ethiopian Nile Valley in 1842-1844. The records found by Lepsius tend to show how Ethiopia was once able to sustain an ancient population that was numerous and powerful enough not only to challenge but, on a number of occasions, to conquer completely the populous land of Egypt. Further, these records show that the antiquity of Ethiopian civilization had a direct link with civilization of ancient Egypt.

Many of the leading antiquarians of the time, based largely on the strength of what the classical authors, particularly Greek historian Diodorus Siculus (1st century B.C.) and Stephanus of Byzantium, had to say on the matter, were exponents of the view that the ancient Ethiopians, or at any rate, the Black people of remote antiquity were the earliest of all civilized peoples and that the first civilized inhabitants of ancient Egypt were members of what is referred to as the Black race who entered the country as emigrants from Ethiopia. A number of Europe's leading writers on the civilizations of remote antiquity have written brilliant defenses of this point of view. Some of these writers are Brice, Count Volney, Fabre, d'Oliver, and Heeren. In spite of the fact that these writers defended this thesis with all the learning at their command and documented their defense, most of the present-day [western] writers of African history continue to ignore their findings.

In 1825, German backwardness in this respect came definitely to an end. In that year, Arnold Hermann Heeren (1760-1842), Professor of History and Politics in the University of Gottengen and one of the ablest of the early exponents of the economic interpretation of history, published, in the fourth and revised edition of his great work Ideen Uber Die Politik, Den Verkehr Und Den Handel Der Vornehmsten Volker Der Alten Weld, a lengthy essay on the history, culture, and commerce of the ancient Ethiopians, which had profound influence on contemporary writers in the conclusion that it was among these ancient Black people of Africa and Asia that international trade was first developed. He thinks that as a by-product of these international contacts there was an exchange of ideas and cultural practices that laid the foundations of the earliest civilizations of the ancient world. Heeren in his researches says: "From the remotest times to the present, the Ethiopians have been one of the most celebrated, and yet the most mysterious of nations. In the earliest traditions of nearly all the more civilized nations of antiquity, the name of this distant people is found. The annals of the Egyptian priests are full of them, and the nations of inner Asia, on the Euphrates and Tigris, have interwoven the fictions of the Ethiopians with their traditions of the wars and conquests of their heroes; and, at a period equally remote, they glimmer in Greek mythology. When the Greeks scarcely knew Italy and Sicily by name, the Ethiopians were celebrated in the verses of their poets, and when the faint gleam of tradition and fable gives way to the clear light of history, the lustre of the Ethiopians is not diminished."

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The French writer Constantin-François Volney (1757-1820), in his important work, The Ruins of Empires, extends this point of view by saying that the Egyptians were the first people to "attain the physical and moral sciences necessary to civilized life." In referring to the basis of this achievement he states further that, "It was, then, on the borders of the Upper Nile, among a Black race of men, that was organized the complicated system of worship of the stars, considered in relation to the productions of the earth and the labors of agriculture; and this first worship, characterized by their adoration under their own forms and national attributes, was a simple proceeding of the human mind."

Volney's Ruins; or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires, Boston, J. Mendum, 1869.

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English traveller Thomas Legh, member of the British Parliament, visited Egypt & Nubia in 1812-1814, was one of the first Europeans to visit the archaeological sites above the First Cataract and to publish plates of ruins that no longer exist today. Legh writes: "There has been considerable dispute about the colour of the ancient Egyptians, some authors asserting that they were Negroes, while others maintain that the present Copts are their descendants, and attempt to prove their supposition by the appearance of mummies, which exhibit complexions of dusky brown, lips occasionally thick, but the nose frequently aquiline. The opinion that the former inhabitants of the country were Negroes is founded chiefly on the expressions used by Herodotus, who calls them 'dark-coloured and woolly haired', and on the character of the head of the Sphinx, which has the Negro features, and may be justly supposed to offer a correct representation of the countenance of the Egyptians."

(Thomas Legh, Narrative of a Journey in Egypt and the Country beyond the Cataracts, Second Edition London, John Murray, 1817).

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Over a generation ago African American historians such as Carter G. Woodson, W.E.B. Du Bois, Drusilla Dunjee Houston, Willis N. Huggins, J. A. Rogers, and Charles C. Seifort read the works of these radical writer historians and began to expand on their findings. This tradition continued and is reflected in the works of present day Black historians such as John G. Jackson's Introduction to African Civilizations (1970), Yosef ben-Jochannan's Black Man of the Nile (1972), Chancellor Williams's The Destruction of Black Civilization: Great Issues of a Race From 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D. (1971), and Ivan Van Sertima, Egypt Revisited. Transaction Publishers, New Brunswick (USA) & London (U.K.), 1999.

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''Egyptology'' developed in concurrence with the development of the slave trade and the colonial system. It was during this period that Egypt was literally taken out of Africa, academically.

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Races of Africa, according to Edith Sanders, went through several editions and was reprinted until 1966 virtually unchanged. Much of the more vulgar scholarship on the 'racial' ancestry of the ancient Nile valley Africans can be traced to the intensity of racism in Europe from the mid-nineteenth century onwards. Its decline after the second world war.

(Edith R. Sanders, 'The Hamitic hypothesis: its origin and functions in time perspective', Journal of African History

(Vol. 10, no. 4, 1969), pp. 521-32).

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Flora Shaw's (alias Lady Flora Lugard) book is an extraordinary look at the history of Africa, which she gathered from countless sources, and one would imagine a great deal of it came from the British Library and from the archives of The Times of London, for whom she had for many years been the Foreign Political Correspondent. She had always been known to be an intensive researcher into her subject matter, and one wonders at the months and probably years she put into this undertaking, which became the reference work for so many future books on Africa. This book was first published 100 years ago showing the detail and descriptive power, and the greatness that Africa once was. Lady Lugard argues that:

"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Ethiopians) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt. [B]For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."

"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the tallest, most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favorites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, Black Classic Press (1996)

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A Shift in the Perception of Ancient Egypt:

Further archaeological discoveries continue to legitimize the southern origin of Egyptian civilization. Archaeologist Bruce Williams's discovery of the Qustul incense burner and of a city at Kerma dating back to 4,500 BCE. (Bruce Williams, 'The Lost Pharaohs of Nubia', in Ivan van Sertima (ed.), Egypt Revisited (New Brunswick, NJ, Transaction, 1993). Williams also claims that there were southern predecessors of the ancient Egyptian pharaohs, one of the latest results of archaeological explorations in the northern Sahara should be noted:

"The Sahara west of the Nile in southern Egypt was hyperarid and unoccupied during most of the late Pleistocene epoch. About 11,000 years ago the summer monsoons of central Africa moved into Egypt, and temporary lakes or playas were formed. The Nabta Playa depression, which is one of the largest in southern Egypt, is a kidney shaped basin of roughly 10km by 7km in area. We report the discovery of megalithic alignments and stone circles next to locations of Middle and Late Neolithic communities at Nabta, which suggest the early development of a complex society. The southward shift of the monsoons in the Late Neolithic age rendered the area once again hyperarid and uninhabitable some 4,800 radiocarbon years before the present (years BP). This well-determined date establishes that the ceremonial complex of Nabta, which has alignments to cardinal and solstitial directions, was a very early megalithic expression of ideology and astronomy. Five megalithic alignments within the playa deposits radiate outwards from megalithic structures, which may have been funerary structures. The organization of the megaliths suggests a symbolic geometry that integrated death, water, and the Sun. An exodus from the Nubian Desert at 4,800 years BP may have stimulated social differentiation and cultural complexity in pre-dynastic Upper Egypt.

(J. McKim Malville, Fred Wendorf, Ali A Mazar and Romauld Schild, Megaliths and Neolithic Astronomy in Southern Egypt, Nature (Vol. 392, no. 2, April 1998).)

The Mystery of the Black Mummy

This programme explores the enigmatic central Saharan society which once spanned the entire north African continent. We unravel their tale through the story of the discovery of the black mummy, Uan Muhuggiag. It soon becomes obvious that these people were responsible for an extraordinary array of innovations which later became famous under the Egyptians. Their presence re-writes the history of Egypt and of the entire continent of Africa.

Professor Fabrizio Mori discovered the black mummy at the Uan Muhuggiag rockshelter.

Conclusion:

In many ways Egypt is the key to ancient African history. African history is out of kilter until ancient Egypt is looked upon as a distinct African nation. The Nile River played a major role in the relationship to Egypt to the nations in Southeast Africa. During the early history of Africa, the Nile was a great cultural highway on which elements of civilization came into and out of inner Africa.

John D. Baldwin's Pre-History Nations or Inquiries Concerning Some of the Great Peoples and Civilizations of Antiquity and Their Probable Relation to a Still Older Civilization of the Ethiopians or Cushites of Arabia (1869). Baldwin, commenting on the greatness of the Kushite people, says that early in the period of its colonizing enterprise, commercial greatness, and extensive empire, it established colonies in the valleys of the Nile and the Euphrates, which in later ages became Barbary, Egypt, and Chaldea. The ancient Kushite nation occupied Arabia and other extensive regions of Africa, India, and Western Asia to the Mediterranean. He concludes that "The old notion that Africa is chiefly a land of black savages arose from ignorance of the country, which could not be removed, but, on the contrary, was heightened by slave-trading communication . . . They could not describe truthfully what came under their observation, but they sought to excuse their own frightful savagery by describing Africa as a land of Negroes in the darkest and most hopeless condition of debasement. When this had been repeated many times, they ventured to represent their kidnapping villains as missionary agencies, intent on transferring savages to Christian countries for their own good."

American Anthropological Association Statement on "Race" (May 17, 1998):

"How people have been accepted and treated within the context of a given society or culture has a direct impact on how they perform in that society. The "racial" worldview was invented to assign some groups to perpetual low status, while others were permitted access to privilege, power, and wealth.

The tragedy in the United States has been that the policies and practices stemming from this worldview succeeded all too well in constructing unequal populations among Europeans, Native Americans, and peoples of African descent. Given what we know about the capacity of normal humans to achieve and function within any culture, we conclude that present-day inequalities between so-called "racial" groups are not consequences of their biological inheritance but products of historical and contemporary social, economic, educational, and political circumstances."

(To read the complete statement go to AAA Statement on "Race").

Turning to the major falsification of the history of mankind, as he puts it, Cheikh Anta Diop underlines that the time has come to bring justice to the Negro race, to give black people their due credit for leading the march, and blazing a trail for humanity to follow.

"Now the Ethiopians, as historians relate, were the first of all men and the proofs of this statement, they say, are manifest."

Diodorus of Sicily

felakuti

17-07-2007, 06:45 PM

The cover-up

French explorer Vivant Denon etched the image of the Sphinx of Giza (see below) around 1798, prior to its defacement. The image below and written account (a part of Dr. Freeman's collection) is from the 1803 issue of Universal Magazine. From that same magazine, here is the written account in Denon's own words,

"...Though its proportions are colossal, the outline is pure and graceful; the expression of the head is mild, gracious, and tranquil; the character is African, but the mouth, and lips of which are thick, has a softness and delicacy of execution truly admirable; it seems real life and flesh. Art must have been at a high pitch when this monument was executed; for, if the head wants what is called style, that is the say, the straight and bold lines which give expression to the figures under which the Greeks have designated their deities, yet sufficient justice has been rendered to the fine simplicity and character of nature which is displayed in this figure...".

In 1787, a Frenchman who visited Egypt for the first time expressed amazement that the Egyptians – whose civilization was greatly admired in Europe – were not White! "All the Egyptians," wrote Count Constantine de Volney, "have a bloated face, puffed-up eyes, flat nose, thick lips – in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says:

'As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair...' "In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold."

Count de Volney then made an observation that still applies today in the debate about how much racial truth our children and other children will be taught in the public schools: "Just think," de Volney declared incredulously, "that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people (i.e., Americans) who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!"

When visiting Egypt today, this is what we see of the Sphinx of Giza, the largest single stone structure on earth, believed by some researchers to be over 12,000 years old!

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp095_150pixBest_copy.jpg

This is what Vivant Denon saw in 1798 before the Sphinx was defaced.

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/images/Sphinx_drawing_best_cropped.jpg

"Now the Ethiopians, as historians relate, were the first of all men and the proofs of this statement, they say, are manifest."

Diodorus of Sicily

synergy777

17-07-2007, 06:54 PM

yes bro, i have read about this. from alexander's the great first voyage into egypt, defacing statutes, burning libraries. i have a fat nose, my cousins always took the piss, blackmans nose, camel nose, arab nose etc. but its me, they don't say it now, lol. they use to tell me to squeeze it as kid, to make it more fine, more pointy etc. its all good, i am what i am, they should be less judgemental.

anyway back to topic. i have been doing this myself for years, taking shots from all angles, its nice to have someone else input some stuff. there are cool people eg luma etc, they know their stuff. plz post more.

synergy777

17-07-2007, 07:06 PM

you cannot lump indians in with persians and arabs. all three are very different. persians and indians are not semitic while arabs are. arabs invented algebra and persians invented polo and chess is disputed (some say indians persians or even chinese). i am in no way saying that india is not and was not a great civilization and one of the earliest cradles of civilization but i do not believe in the superior attitude of either the europeans or the indians. i find them both vulgar. both white people and indian people should be proud (or maybe not as you don't really have a choice what race or ethnicity you are born into). but if you really want to break it down, the iranians, the aryans are the ones who gave the jews the idea of monotheism from (zoroastrianism), who gave the indians the vedas.

lol that was fuinny. i don't need your misinformed remarks. ask an informed arab, persian, egyptian, where they came from. if you classify people by new divisions, you miss the big picture. the english are from where england, or from europe. as for giving us zorastorian, plz, ahriman, ahura mazda, etc, what about mani, shall we talk about darius, cyrus, what about earlier persians, who are known as hyskos. see persians are now know as iranians, persians were before known as hyskos, scithians,etc all thse came from india. arabs are semtic, really, semites from shem. considering my north indian side is from persia, i think i know my history, my dad informed me, from family history that goes back over 300 years, lets debate.

danielg

17-07-2007, 07:11 PM

http://www.kemetnu.com/Products.htm

december

17-07-2007, 07:12 PM

december

17-07-2007, 07:13 PM

There are THOUSANDS of words in Sanskrit which have the same meaning and spelling as in Russian language.

Those who speak Sanskrit understand Russian language, they don't even need an interpreter...

Many scholars believe that Sanskrit is old Russian language...

Many modern day Whites are either direct or part descendants of a great wave of White peoples who swept into Europe from about 5500 BC till around 500 BC. These peoples, Nordic in terms of the White racial sub-groupings, had their original heartland in the region known today as central and southern Russia.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5_files/flood4.jpg

Leaving the Black Sea Basin, the Nordic Indo-European peoples invaded Europe and Asia. Europe was settled by four main groups: the Celts, the Germans, the Balts and the Slavs. In the south they settled pre-dynastic Egypt and the Middle East, penetrating India (the Indo-Aryans); Afghanistan (the Aryans); and China - see chapter six.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5.htm

Well, now I understand the meaning of the phrase "MOTHER RUSSIA".

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/library/200x250/sharapova_smile.jpghttp://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/07/11/200-sharapova.jpg

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5.htm

synergy777

17-07-2007, 07:21 PM

ethiopia/sudan, kush/kemet etc. this is great, its kushti, lol

synergy777

17-07-2007, 07:23 PM

my friend has a russian wife, they like indians don't they december. see in good people, its one love.

december, you doing wonders for me, you could be my alistair campbell, lol although you would have to drink the vodka, i like me whiskey

december

17-07-2007, 07:28 PM

i am in vodka bar, with nice russian blonde giving a me a blow job, whilst dictating to another blonde who has my laptop, lol

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5460&page=4

Also, on old David Icke forum synergy777 said that in India they have Kamasutra, so they f*ck like rabits, and one day they will overpower the White People by the numbers.

And on Illusions forum synergy777 said that "We have to kill as many whites as possible..."

On this OFFICIAL David Icke forum it is aparantly OK to hate white people and post filthy pornagraphic messages, but when someone posts an INFORMATION about the Jews, the moderators close the thread and/or write threatening letters to the poster.

Well, this makes me wonder - WHO really runs this forum... :cool:

So, why is there SO MUCH HATE towards white people here?

Does David Icke know what's going on on his forum or is he no longer into Infinite Love?

synergy777

17-07-2007, 07:30 PM

http://www.annamariavolpi.com/pasta_history.html

When talking about the origin of pasta, a distinction needs to be made between fresh and dry pasta

Fresh pasta is dough made of flour and water and is present in most cultures and on all continents. Dry pasta began in Italy and embarked from there to conquer the world. People have attributed Marco Polo with having introduced spaghetti to Italy from China, but that is incorrect. Mediterranean people even before the Romans knew fresh pasta, and dry pasta was unknown to the Chinese

Dried pasta was familiar in the Mediterranean area in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, and also was mentioned in Genovese documents. The first traces of dry pasta in Europe came from Sicily, where documents of the twelfth century tell of something like a factory of dry pasta, localized in the area of Palermo. From this site the pasta (called itrjia) was then exported to other regions of southern Italy

Genovese sailors were among the most active traders within the Mediterranean. It is not surprising that in the thirteenth century Genova became trader, and then fabricator, of dry pasta, spreading it to many other countries — which led to this pasta gaining the name Genovese.

The oldest macaroni recipes found are from Sicily: macaroni with eggplant (eggplant was introduced by the Arabs in Sicily around the year 1000 from India) and macaroni with sardines. Both these delicious dishes are still present today in Sicilian cooking

Other establishments appeared through southern Italy, and the pasta that today is called spaghetti (meaning “strings”) or vermicelli (meaning “little worms”), by the threadlike shape, was at that time called tria. And, by then, dried pasta from Italy was known in Provence and in England. The short pasta with the tube shape would be named macaroni, apparently from the Latin word maccare, meaning “to mash.”

In those times, fresh and stuffed pasta, dressed with cheeses, spices, or sweets, was an aristocratic type of food, while dry pasta was considered a popular food, while. Macaroni, while well known, was not an important food in the diet of Italians, outside the places where it was produced.

The turning point was in Naples in the 1600s. Imports of meat and fresh produce became difficult and expensive due to an economic crisis. Flour was available instead, and pasta had become more affordable especially after the invention of the mechanical press. Dry pasta quickly became the people’s food, to the point that Neapolitans were commonly called mangiamaccheroni (macaroni eaters).

Durum wheat semolina was produced in large quantity in southern Italy. Macaroni is a filling food for poor people, and pasta with cheese contains good nourishment. As a result, the poor of southern Italy did not suffer pellagra and famine as much as the northerners, who had maize as their only staple.

1785, Naples had 280 pasta shops. In the 1800s, pasta was sold by street vendors, who cooked it over charcoal fire; and it was eaten on the spot with bare hands. The pasta was sold with no dressing, or with merely a bit of grated sheep cheese, until the early 1800s, when the first tomato sauces appeared.

Southern Italy had hundreds of artisan pasta makers, but it was in 1824 in northern Italy, close to Genova, that the first industrial pasta factory was established by the Agnese family; a few years later the Buitoni family founded another pasta factory.

After the Italian unification in 1862, pasta spread all over the country, and traveled with Italian immigrants to the United States. Before long, pasta was eaten all around the world, and the rest “is history”

italy, is a good microcosm of the transition of indo to european. we are one, just bloody well grow up and smell the coffee.

synergy777

17-07-2007, 07:32 PM

this is like rocky 4, little stallone got drago/december rocking on the ropes, lol

synergy777

17-07-2007, 07:36 PM

Amazon.com: The Indo-Aryan Controversy: Evidence and Inference in Indian History (9780700714636): Edwin Bryant, Laurie Patton: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ub9g%2BwywL.@@AMEPARAM@@51ub9g%2BwywL

see december european people who are informed, love and stick up for their heritage, like i said before, grandmother africa, mother india, and daughter europa. how many europeans go to india for spiritual holidays, go to africa etc.

december

17-07-2007, 08:01 PM

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Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA)

In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b (M343) (previously called Hg1 and Eu18) is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe.

Its frequency is highest in Western Europe, especially in Atlantic Europe (and due to European emigration, in North America, South America, and Australia). In southern England, the frequency of R1b is about 70%, and in parts of Spain, Portugal, France, Wales, and Ireland, the frequency of R1b is greater than 90%. Bryan Sykes in his book Blood of the Isles gives the populations associated with R1b the name of Oisín for a clan patriarch, much as he did for mitochondrial haplogroups in his work The Seven Daughters of Eve. Stephen Oppenheimer also deals with this population group in his book Origins of the British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Y-Haplogroup_R1_distribution.png

Distribution of R1a (purple) and R1b (red)

http://varvar.ru/arhiv/gallery/russian/vasilyev/images/konstantin_vasilyev_1973_8.jpg

synergy777

17-07-2007, 08:28 PM

white people come from the same place i come from.

also dictating (dick-tating), bj, a play on words, get it yet borat.aiight

anoninnyc

17-07-2007, 08:47 PM

december, you never answered my question as to why not all europeans or whites have this chromosome represented by the red and purple. what does it mean? are they not white then?

december

17-07-2007, 09:56 PM

december, you never answered my question as to why not all europeans or whites have this chromosome represented by the red and purple. what does it mean? are they not white then?

And I didn't respond to your other posts...
You know, anoninnyc, I participate in forums to exchange information and NOT to answer some freaks like synergy777 or to PUNKS like YOU.
As soon as I opened this thread you posted a message in which you said that the reason I started this thread is to look for the blond girls.

And now you ask me about two types of haplogroups, saying - "what does it mean? are they not white then?"
I don't even know what are you asking me... This is just retarded level of discussion.

You never heard about haplogroups? Where do you live or what books do you read?

When I came to this forum I thought that it would the place to learn something and share information, well - it is OFFICIAL Icke forum after all.

But what do I see - people attack each other personally...

I don't know... maybe it is cultural thing, maybe it is normal for British people to say silly and sometimes even retarded things with serious face, like hagbard_celine who thinks that the US desided to build the missile defence system IN POLAND to... shoot down the UFOs!

:D

Now if I had to build a space defence system to shoot down UFO's, which was enormously expensive, and I cannot tell people what it's really for... how would I go about it? How could I justify the amount of money it cost?

:rolleyes::cool:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=78727#post78727

http://www.oxfordancestors.com/bits/logo.jpg

http://www.oxfordancestors.com

anoninnyc

17-07-2007, 10:12 PM

And I didn't respond to your other posts...
You know, anoninnyc, I participate in forums to exchange information and NOT to answer some freaks like synergy777 or to PUNKS like YOU.
As soon as I opened this thread you posted a message in which you said that the reason I started this thread is to look for the blond girls.

And now you ask me about two types of haplogroups, saying - "what does it mean? are they not white then?"
I don't even know what are you asking me... This is just retarded level of discussion.

You never heard about haplogroups? Where do you live or what books do you read?

When I came to this forum I thought that it would the place to learn something and share information, well - it is OFFICIAL Icke forum after all.

But what do I see - people attack each other personally...

I don't know... maybe it is cultural thing, maybe it is normal for British people to say silly and sometimes even retarded things with serious face, like hagbard_celine who thinks that the US desided to build the missile defence system IN POLAND to... shoot down the UFOs!

i have not studied genetics. i did not major in any type of science. so i have heard of haplogroups but i do not know the significance of the information you posted. if i am retarded fine, but all you seem to do is post the same information over and over again with no discussion. if i want straight information then i can use a search engine. and i do find your posting of pictures of blonde women and men to be RETARDED...... yes they are white.... what are you getting at? and if you have ever been to greece you would realize that there are blue eyed blonds that live there as well as those with more swarthy complexions. and if you are going to talk about retarded, look in the mirror, learn to spell and learn to be able to actually answer questions regarding the material you post rather than name calling when you are called out for not responding. you sound seriously unbalanced.

anoninnyc

17-07-2007, 10:15 PM

and why are you ripping apart hagbard celine, a perfectly nice chap? what does he have to do with this thread at all? you are grasping at straws.

lumukanda

17-07-2007, 11:37 PM

december, you never answered my question as to why not all europeans or whites have this chromosome represented by the red and purple. what does it mean? are they not white then?

he doesn't know either, the map just looks impressive.

anoninnyc

17-07-2007, 11:49 PM

he doesn't know either, the map just looks impressive.

lol. true. i really should not even engage, guess i am in a bit of a cranky mood today though. thanks for the laugh.

december

18-07-2007, 12:00 AM

he doesn't know either, the map just looks impressive.

OK.
Thank you for contributing to this thread, lumukanda. :D :D :D

...........what does it mean? are they not white then?

Well just to answer your question - yes, they all are white, with exception of Finns and Estonians who have Tat-C marker in their blood.

Tat C (haplogroup 16) is a Y-chromosome lineage that originated in Central Asia and spread to Northeastern Europe with male migrations occurring over the last 4000 years.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z61/Andresh-photos/08.jpg

felakuti

18-07-2007, 02:39 AM

...I have been doing this myself for years, taking shots from all angles, its nice to have someone else input some stuff. there are cool people eg luma etc, they know their stuff. plz post more.

My pleasure. :)

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/ImageFiles/Narmer.jpg
Narmer (Menes) First King of Egypt. First Dynasty (4000 BC est)

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/sen88_op_286x60099.jpg
Senusret I
12th Dynasty (1991-1763 BC)

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/anen7.jpg
Amenemhet I

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/shaba_op_351x6000.jpg
King Shabaka (760 BC)

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/files/kingtahargo.jpg
King Taharka

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/tIII.jpg
Thutmosis III

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/Mentuhotep.jpg
Mentuhotep

http://stewartsynopsis.com/Beheaded/QueenTiye.jpg
Queen Tiye 1391 B.C.E - 1353 B.C.E.
Wife of Pharaoh Amenhotep III and the mother of the Pharaoh Amenhotep IV (Akenaton). She was also the grandmother of the boy, King Tutankhamun, more commonly known as King Tut.

http://stewartsynopsis.com/Beheaded/king_tut.jpg
King Tutankhamun
This statue was found in his tomb, among many of his treasures in Egypt, during an archaeological excavation in 1922.

december

18-07-2007, 02:43 AM

felakuti, they look African...
So, what do these pictures have to do with the thread?
Can you explain, please?...

anoninnyc

18-07-2007, 03:19 AM

felakuti, they look African...
So, what do these pictures have to do with the thread?
Can you explain, please?...

um, december, i think that is the very question i have been asking you. why were you posting all of those blond people? what was the point and how did they relate to the thread.

lumukanda

18-07-2007, 07:39 AM

felakuti, they look African...
So, what do these pictures have to do with the thread?
Can you explain, please?...

do you think felakuti's pictures would be better here december? : God Horus Of Egypt Was A White Man (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5466&highlight=white)

felakuti

18-07-2007, 08:51 AM

felakuti, they look African...
So, what do these pictures have to do with the thread?
Can you explain, please?...

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

The posts were in response to Archangel's comments to the effect that:

'The most dominant civilizations of the antiquity were created by whites'

'There is much speculation that the ANCIENT egyptians where white. The majority of the ancient empires were white. The thing about the white race is that they are the race who could have dominated the entire earth. I don't see any other race cabable of doing this throughout history. Yes, Other races had high culture too. Lets just expand this conversation a little bit then. Why did Whites, Chinese, and others develope high culture and other races such as blacks did not?'

'Lets rephrase this question then, How did indians (from INDIA) make such developements while Native Americans made nothing comparable and at the same time blacks in African were hanging Rocks from the Penis to stretch it out (still to this day)'.

..................

I'm sure you would agree that such inaccuracies regarding the history of the African continent ought not to go unchallenged by those in tune with the facts - such as yours truly.

To be fair to Archangel, his view of Africa is pretty much a by-product of the dysfunctional (mis)education system prevalent in his country, which was the reason I exercised some restraint in addressing what were obviously deeply provocative and offensive comments.

slave

19-07-2007, 12:03 AM

White race (aryans) has their roots in aliens belongs to a planet in Orion constellation.
I think there were a tie on mars also.

There are four differents races in umans. Each different race is a genetic manipolation from aliens living in four differents constellation. White, red, yellow, blacks. The latest manipolation was done indifferently to the four races with the target to control the world by reptilians.
Aryans (fire element) Engena (ground) Atl (water element) Asiani (air element)

Fifth element was planetary connection found in dna. Each race has different quality. No one is superior to the others.

december

19-07-2007, 01:19 AM

White race (aryans) has their roots in aliens belongs to a planet in Orion constellation.
I think there were a tie on mars also.

And where did you read about it, slave?

slave

19-07-2007, 02:27 AM

And where did you read about it, slave?

http://www.sirianrevelations.net/

Books purchase:http://www.sirianrevelations.net/book.shtml

I like very much Patricia Cori book's . Her book has been translate in italian also. The book I read about it is: "No more secrets no more lies"

synergy777

19-07-2007, 11:57 AM

fela, i need links to your data bro, keep it coming. please excuse the ignorance of fellow posters they still cannot accept asiatic origin. as for aryan, lets get this thing clear, the land of aryans is india, always has been, always will be. we are the original aryans, we have aryan texts, religions, buildings, etc. thats why max muller and his ilk, went to, read about india, not germany, not central asia, but india. the aryan tribes of europe, migrated from the base between black/caspian sea, after going there from india. why do we have aryan history, texts and europe doesn't, wheres your evidence for being the aryans, oops there is none other than max old boy.stop stealing our culture, imitation is the highest from of flattery.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKL1885586220070718

Skulls confirm we're all out of Africa
Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:08PM BST

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[-] Text [+] By Ben Hirschler

LONDON (Reuters) - An analysis of thousands of skulls shows modern humans originated from a single point in Africa and finally lays to rest the idea of multiple origins, British scientists said on Wednesday.

Most researchers agree that mankind spread out of Africa starting about 50,000 years ago, quickly establishing Stone Age cultures throughout Europe, Asia and Australia.

But a minority have argued, using skull data, that divergent populations evolved independently in different areas.

The genetic evidence has always strongly supported the single origin theory, and now results from a study of more than 6,000 skulls held around the world in academic collections supports this case.

"We have combined our genetic data with new measurements of a large sample of skulls to show definitively that modern humans originated from a single area in Sub-Saharan Africa," said Andrea Manica of the University of Cambridge's Department of Zoology.

Manica and colleagues wrote in the journal Nature that variations in skull size and shape decreased the further a skull was away from Africa, just like variations in DNA.

The decrease reflects the fact that, while the original African population was stable and varied, only a small number of people embarked on each stage of the multi-step migration out of Africa. This effectively created a series of "bottlenecks", which reduced diversity.

The highest level of variation in skull types was seen in southeastern Africa, the generally accepted cradle of mankind

The Cambridge work also suggests in-breeding with other early humans, such as Neanderthals, either did not happen or was insignificant. That is in contrast to recent suggestions that such hybrids may have been fairly common.

"We're not saying there was never a single mating between a homo sapiens and a Neanderthal. But I can say, very confidently, that whatever the product of that mating was, it didn't breed back into the population," Manica told Reuters.

Chris Stringer, a palaeoanthropologist at the Natural History Museum in London, said the new research was important for indicating that modern human diversity was derived entirely from Africa rather than coming from inter-mixing elsewhere

also heres another nail in your mars, aryan theory, white supremacy lol see the illuminati created aryan hitler genocide, you hate hitler, but follow his theory, so in reality, you love his work, but hate the man. see its one race, one love, and love conquers all, so get use to it, brother.

slave

19-07-2007, 02:05 PM

Aryan theory from mars are in Icke's books. In Patricia Cori books she dosn't speak about mars and aryans. There are also MIchael. A.Cremo - Richard L
Thomson Theories. Interesting.

synergy777

19-07-2007, 02:26 PM

cool slave, brian desborough was the main guy icke used for his aryan/mars theory, its flawed. icke has some missing links eg fallen = reppies, aryan = vedic history eg vedas/sanskrit etc. he should check his sources. this is why the elite let him carry on, as some of his connections are flawed, and hence they can highlight these to discredit, ridicule and persecute him. i like icke, but you should follow no man.

he could have used migration, genetics, adaption, melanin, etc to show the migration, but chose mars. the mars theory is even more far fetched than max mullers. he could have hightlighted the vedic tech, the contributions of africa, asia etc. a lot of his stuff has eurocentric bias, just as there is an afrocentric bias in other sets of data, the truth is the middle way.

father ted

19-07-2007, 03:57 PM

White people come from mars.

This is proven when they people are placed in sensorary deprevation for a few weeks. The circadian rhythms of white people revert to the length of a day on mars, why all the other human races of the earth stay on 24 hour cycles.

next question. :cool:

I heard that the biorythms of (white?) some people are 26 hours (or there abouts) and not the 24 hours as you'ld expect from people who are native to earth. Apparently there are 26 hours in a martian day?

anoninnyc

19-07-2007, 03:57 PM

The Origins of Aryan People
By: M. Sadeq Nazmi-Afshar

I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
'Aryan', from the Aryan race
"From the Darius the Great's Inscription in Naqshe-e-Rostam"

he above scripture is one of most valid written evidences of the history of the Aryan race, and as can be seen, Darius I (Dariush in persian), the Achaemenian king, in the 5th century BCE, declares himself a Persian and form the Aryan race. Herodotus, the father of history, writes (in his book: "History of Herodotus") at the same times: "In ancient times, the Greeks called Iranians "Kaffe", but they were renowned as Aryans among themselves and their neighbors". In another part of his book, Herodotus writes that the Medians were known as Aryans during a certain period. So in two of the oldest written human documents, the race of the Iranians have been mentioned as Aryan.

On the other hand, in many contemporary books, one reads that the Aryans were not original residents of the land of Iran, and that they migrated to Iran from Central Asia or somewhere in the north of Europe. The point is that if some of the oldest written records of the human history confirm that the residents of the Iranian Plateau were Aryans, why should some claim otherwise?

We will discuss the origins of the Iranian race, and we will try to shed light on some unknown corners of history, which has been mixed with ignorance and lies.

We want to extract the facts out of centuries and millennia and out of paleontological studies, old and new, to prove that Iran is the original land of the Aryan race, that this people has never migrated to any other land, and it has defended its homelands for centuries on end.

There are all numerous reasons that the Aryan race has undergone its evolution from the primitive man to the white man in the Iranian Plateau. These reasons can be categorized as historical, geographical, mythological, anthropological and linguistically.

Against the reasons we will discuss, no valid evidence has been produced to prove that the Aryans migrated from Central Asia or any other place to Iran. What European historians have written in this regard is based on unscientific and unproven hypotheses influenced by anti-Iranian and political ideas.

The reason for the migration of Aryans from Iran to other places of the world should be searched in climatic events. At the end of Ice Age, as a result of excessive rainfall on the Alborz and Zagros Mountains and the melting of the ice accumulated on the mountains, the rivers flowing through the Iranian Plateau were much larger than they are today. Therefore there was a large lake in the place where to day is the Central Desert. One of the most interesting mythological texts says in this regard:

"...In the second phase of the creation of the world, Ahura Mazda created the waters, and the waters flowed towards Farakhekrat Sea which covers one third of the world from the southern outskirts of Alborz." With the continuous warming of the earth and the decrease in rainfall, this lake gradually dried up and the peoples living around it, who had a common language and Aryan culture, was forced to migrate from Iran. The routes of this great migration are an evidence for the central position of Iran, for the Aryan peoples have set Iran as the center and set out on migration in any direction.

As a matter of fact, many Western historians have declined to accept the politicized version of history, admitting that Iran was the origin of the Aryan race.

Hegel writes in his book The Philosophy of history: "The principle of evolution begins with the history of Iran". Another prominent orientologist says that: A large part of our cultural and material legacy was unveiled in southwestern Asia the center of which was Iran." Petri, in a famous speech, said that "When Egypt had only just begun the art of pottery, the people of Susa (in Iran) were painting beautiful pictures on ceramics." this shows that the Iranian civilization was 3,000 years ahead of that of Egypt, dating back at least to 12,000 years ago. In other words, when Central Asia was totally buried under thick layers of ice, Iranians were creating pictures on earthenware, which indicates their art and creativity.

Considering the existence of this 12,000 years-old civilization in Iran, would it not be unlikely that 6,000 years ago, a group of people spontaneously crossed the ice covered Siberian lands, suddenly wiping such a civilization off the earth. The word Aryan has roots in world that Iranians called themselves by Ayria, meaning free, noble and steady. The world Iran is derived from this very root, having been transformed from to Ayran Iran, meaning the land of the Aryans. This is the most ancient term applied to the Iranian Plateau, and such a term has never been detected anywhere else in the world, e.g. Europe or Turkistan.

The myth of Aryan's migration to Iran implies that a people have come to Iran from a remote land, giving their name to an already inhabited land which had no name, and that no trace of their name has been remained in their name has been remained in their original homeland. In historical records, Central Asia has been mentioned as the land of Sakas, Masagets, Touran, Soghd, Kharazm, Khiveh, and Turkistan, none of which words has any relation to the word Aryan.

Paleontology is one of the sciences that confirm the formation of the white race in Ian. The Homo sapiens evolved from its Neanderthal ancestors in a 30,000- year process between 50,000 to 20,000 years ago. In the Hutu and Kamarband caves near Behshahr, Iran, bones of men from different historical periods have been found, showing that a kind of human race has continuously dwelled in this area and evolved, meaning that there has been no migration.

In Babylonian and Assyrian sources, one of the largest ancient Iranian tribes has been mentioned as Kas Su, Kassi and Kashi, which in ancient languages and also in the modern language of the people of Gilan means fair-eyed and fair-faced. The name of central city of Kashan (Kassan) is a relic of this ancient Aryan tribe. Many relics of the Kassi tribe has also been found in the Khorramabad region, including paintings in the cave of Dusheh which date back to 15,000 BC. In these paintings, people can be seen riding horses. This is a very valid evidence against the erroneous theories which say that the Aryans brought the horse form Central Asia to Iran around 4,000 BC. Like its ancient riders, the horse is indigenous to Iran since at least 17,000 years ago.

Geology and meteorology confirm the evolution of man in the Iranian Plateau. The supporters of the theory of the migration of the Aryans from the north to Iran assume that with the fall in the temperature during the ice age, men were forced to migrate from the north (Central Asia) to the south (Iran). But the homo race was formed at the end of the third ice age, i.e. when the weather was gradually warming from the south to the north. Therefore, it would have been natural for people to migrate from south to north, and not the other way round. In fact, Central Asia was not habitable for men for thousands of years after the ice age, it only became so in the historic age as a result of the melting and receding of the arctic ice cap. Later groups of Iranians and Chinese migrated to these areas and formed the Turk race through cross breeding. The Indians are a hybrid of early Dravidians and the white Iranian race, a fact, which is evident from their dark skin.

So why have some European historians said that the origin of the Iranians is Central Asia? Because in 1833, an Oxford University professor used the term Aryan to describe a group of languages with common origins. Although he later admitted that parts of his theory were erroneous, the theory of an Aryan race was used by a group of romanticist writers and western historians in quest for an ancient identity.

The Germans, eyeing vast expanses of land in Central Asia, called themselves Aryans and cried for a return to the homeland. They used the Swastika, which, as a "wheel of Mithra (Sun/Fire)" used to be the arm of the Iranians since ancient times, as a Nazi symbol, to have an alibi to invade Russia.

The French, British, Russians and recently Americans found different reasons to call themselves Aryans.

http://www.iranchamber.com/people/articles/aryan_people_origins.php

father ted

19-07-2007, 03:58 PM

Where do white people come from? Lyria (Mars was a stop over).

Well that settles that then, thanks for coming.

synergy777

19-07-2007, 04:06 PM

anon are you persian? great post.

father ted, nice 1, they came from lyria, stopped off at the services in mars, for a quick coffee, burger, bathroom break, then landed in africa, as there were diversions to there, even in those days the skys were badly managed like the roads are today.lol lyria watching kpax?

father ted

19-07-2007, 04:20 PM

I'm almost certain that we did not originate from this planet. Of those that write about this, some number suggest that lyria (planet, star system?) was our origin. Then the "original" human species split up for whatever reason (some say because of an attack) and evolved differently on other planets. From there on in, individual researchers or people who write about this (some explain that they were "told" or helped) go into their own specifics. Some have a lot in common.

One thing that really gets me, is that there are people who come from different backgrounds who generaly say the same thing. Credo Mutwa, Arizona Wilder, Stewart Swerdlow all say that human beings came from mars. Yup, even Credo.

anoninnyc

19-07-2007, 04:23 PM

anon are you persian? great post.

Thank you and yes I am Persian. I am American and Iranian.

cleopatraxxx

19-07-2007, 05:36 PM

Well I'm white...and for my sins...I come from Wales! :D

But seriously - Why ask? What is your point? Are you determined to wrestle back your Aryan roots from the clutches of the Illuminatii?

Well - Time is an illusion. History is an illusion. Decendancy is an illusion. 'Race' is an illusion. Skin colour is an illusion.

Better to focus our attention on finding a way out of 3D than reinforcing programmed illusory stereotypes of race and skin colour hmmm?

Peace
till now i couldnt stop laughing here...

Wanderer, EXCELLENT ! Thank you :)
i have read so far till your reply and sincerely i think it is enough for me.

what the hecks does it matter to fight with each other about where we whites or negroes or whatever the names given to us all come from????

Wanderer gave a great final sentences in my opinion, i will paste it: "Better to focus our attention on finding a way out of 3D than reinforcing programmed illusory stereotypes of race and skin colour hmmm?"

what for???
well, for the sake of not aniquilating each other with emotional and nuclear means!!!
Humans make children, and what have these learnt from their parents? what will happen to this planet and their childrens future lives?? is anyone here thinking about it? or everyone just want to just flex muscles over topics of the past? quoting what maybe has happened billions of years ago?? hahaha!!! can anyone here explain to me the meaning of yesterday?? and you talk about billions of years... and again it is all data brought by "scientists", LOL.... programmed we are and very, very deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!!!!! :(

personally, i believe we are an alien experiment.

i have been analyzing some of the body functions behaviour like the immunitary system and to be honest, it is too intelligent and i cannot label it as purely evolution of species that makes such a perfect defensive system to a 3D suit...
i came to think lately that the same way humans are trying to get somewhere with genetics and biotechnologic studies, some aliens did the same long ago and created us humans to their own image, maybe trying to make a better image/species, but something DEFINITELY went wrong and here we are, isolated on a little blue planet who gives us everything to live on it, but we ungratefully only know to live in self-destructive mode, as well as destroying the planet at the same time!!!!! i wonder what does to be intelligent mean? or what is to be HUMAN???

CLeoXXX

cleopatraxxx

19-07-2007, 05:50 PM

my origins? LOL
if i tell you the cocktail i am myself,...
that is why i hate the separations made by people.
i though agree that some races are on different levels of evolution, be it technological, or spiritual, none the less, no one is superior to each other! are just learning stages.

anyway,
i consider myself an INTERNATIONAL HUMAN BEEING, (with many faults)
i belong to no place and everywhere at the same time
we should be allowed to cross borders without inquiring , because we were all born free and should die so. free. has anyone here been born with clothes? or jewels? so??? aren't we all the same in that sense?

arent we all born on the same little (still BLUE) planet? what if the planet is attacked by some other species? wouldn't we unite to save the Earth?
"Independence day" in that sense is a great movie! and the critics there when the Alien to be attacked by "will smith" when he lights his cigarrette!!!! hahahaha, wonderfull!
i love that movie for all the comics and critics there.

CLeoXXX
with lots of love to all

synergy777

19-07-2007, 07:42 PM

slave

19-07-2007, 07:55 PM

http://www.mcremo.com/

The authors speaks about uman beings lived milions years ago. And the evolution was as today modern men

cleopatraxxx

19-07-2007, 07:57 PM

cold beer. this origin thing is a great interest of mine, why to destroy the racial divisions built on false doctrines, to prove we are one race. which to be honest is logical and well, its pretty obvious when you research stuff.

Hi there Synergy777 :)
beer is good;)
i wouldnt say destroying the racial divisons is an intent here, not mine at least.
is great to have races, this brings cultural ideas and differences making us learn to understand and respect each other,
on the other hand this creates religions and wars over territories and etc...
otherwise i welcome any race whatsoever, as long as it is not trying to destroy peace. in case they do, i personally part to ignone their acts. that is the only way to stop wars, ignoring the will of others to rule the world, not entering their game of hatred etc.... for that one has to be informed and not ignorant...

CLeoXXX

PEACE and lots of LOVE

slave

19-07-2007, 08:05 PM

Clearly, from monkey.

synergy777

19-07-2007, 08:07 PM

there is one race. the "races" that we talk about are merely adaptions, new offshoots. think of it as tree with branches etc. each culture/nationality being a different one/branch. the fact we have the same body, procreate, die, eat etc, well its pretty obvious. its not that i want one mixed race, or a borg like mentality. its having a foundation of shared heritage, but the development of different cultures. the diversity is testament to mankinds creativity and should be celebrated.

i think what scares people is the potential for indvidual cultures to be sacrificed in order to have one global standard, which is wrong and i detest it. i love variety, just as individuals should be themselves, so should cutlures. no culture is perfect, its best to enjoy all the good things of all cultures, which i am lucky to do.

quick example is beer and curry, perfectly compliment eachother, lol

slave

19-07-2007, 08:10 PM

Yes, Hitler talked about aryans supremacy, but most of people burned in hitler concentration camps were aryans.

cheeb

19-07-2007, 08:24 PM

will smith ok, me i would spark a blunt and a cold beer. this origin thing is a great interest of mine, why to destroy the racial divisions built on false doctrines, to prove we are one race. which to be honest is logical and well, its pretty obvious when you research stuff.

anon, you persian kitty, lol.

anyway back to the matter at hand. mars does seem to have a connection/cydonia/sedona-arizona/zion, i think maybe it was a prior location, but first we must solve the mystery of this planet. also Arthur C Clarke said we are the martians! he also helped to find the geostationary orbit which is used for sattelites, he also wrote 2001/2010.

Ever hear of the panspermia/exogenesis hypothesis.

That the seeds of life(genetic dna) are interstellar or interplanetary

Proposed by F. Crick
Of Crick and Watson fame
Discoverers or the DNA/RNA double helix
genetic sequence.

I suppose this might be a bit microcosmal for this discussion,
But interesting theory nonetheless.

POe
Pttp

anoninnyc

19-07-2007, 08:38 PM

This is what synergy777 love to hear...

do you not understand what it means to be aryan? i think synergy is pakistani so he would fall under the aryan category. do you not understand that hitler was an uneducated dolt who either misused the word aryan or had some fantasy that he was iranian???

synergy777

19-07-2007, 08:51 PM

cheeb i know about panspermia, ever watched the mission to mars, the amimation inside the face of cydonia/building/ship with the grey inside. i think the probablity of panspermia being successful etc is too high. too many variables. also the panspermia angle completely destroys the annunaki hypothesis. this is the thing with elite sponsered doctrines, they have so many they cancel eachother out. see if they have the mission to mars panspermia animation on youtube.

also did panspermia give rise to apes first, which later evolved. see, they make the jump straight away to humanity, but we share 97% dna with primates. so after some meteorites crashing, carrying bacteria. the bacteria then evolved from amoeba stage to amphibians to apes, to mankind, lol

i am panjabi/indian, born in the sceptred isle (england or britannia/bharat), lol north india eg mohen daro/harrappa, the river indus, the land of five rivers = panjab etc. one of the cradles of civilisation. mixing panjabi and english, makes one have a chip on both shoulders, which leaves one rather balanced, lol

december

19-07-2007, 08:56 PM

The TRUE face of synergy777:

i am in vodka bar, with nice russian blonde giving a me a blow job, whilst dictating to another blonde who has my laptop, lol

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5460&page=4

Also, on old David Icke forum synergy777 said that in India they have Kamasutra, so they f*ck like rabits, and one day they will overpower the White People by the numbers.

And on Illusions forum synergy777 said that "We have to kill as many whites as possible..."

And former MODERATOR of the OFFICIAL Icke forum supports him!

Right on Syn, my brother!!!

synergy777

19-07-2007, 09:00 PM

bro on the love thread, i told you, i hold no ill feeling, i love you bro, the creator made all of us. as for dictating = dick-tating, maybe us english could export some sense of humour to you russians, lol if get uktv, watch:

have i got news for you, mock the week, jimmy carr, jack dee, balls of steel, trigger happy tv, ali g, etc.

anoninnyc

19-07-2007, 09:03 PM

my mistake, not sure why i had thought you were pakistani. but the aryans are the people of iran, afghanistan, pakistan and india. it rather annoys me that hitler took the word and made it dirty and attached to mass murder. same with the swastika which was a beautiful symbol for iranians, indians and even native americans.

my point is that not only was hitler an evil scoundrel, but he was also an idiot. the scandinavians who he revered as "aryan" ideals are actually not so pure as he thought. these dna testing centers are learning that there is asian admixture to the scandinavian populations including that of sweden, where i believe hitler had some of his programs to produce super "aryan" babies.

synergy777

19-07-2007, 09:04 PM

http://www.deadbrain.co.uk/
http://www.thevoiceofreason.co.uk/BestBits/BestBitsSeptember2003/ComedyBritishQuiz.htm

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also private eye magazine by ian hislop.

in urban vernacular, its called "taking the piss".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=taking+the+piss

taking the piss 1 thumb up

To appear serious, but actually meaning the opposite - most of the time. Usually followed up by the 'piss taker' (the one who joked) revealing he/she was only joking.

'Hey did I ever tell you you're fucking pug ugly?'

'No you didn't and that hurt'

'I'm only taking the piss. You fucking filthy mongoloid.'

slave

19-07-2007, 09:08 PM

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19-07-2007, 09:21 PM

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december

19-07-2007, 09:26 PM

So, let me try to restart this thread...

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5_files/flood4.jpg

Many modern day Whites are either direct or part descendants of a great wave of White peoples who swept into Europe from about 5500 BC till around 500 BC. These peoples, Nordic in terms of the White racial sub-groupings, had their original heartland in the region known today as central and southern Russia.

Leaving the Black Sea Basin, the Nordic Indo-European peoples invaded Europe and Asia. Europe was settled by four main groups: the Celts, the Germans, the Balts and the Slavs. In the south they settled pre-dynastic Egypt and the Middle East, penetrating India (the Indo-Aryans); Afghanistan (the Aryans); and China - see chapter six.

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5.htm

http://img.lenta.ru/news/2005/04/11/sharapova/picture.jpg

http://www.adpunch.org/images/sharapova_2.jpg

http://www.white-history.com/hwr5.htm

anoninnyc

19-07-2007, 09:32 PM

december, you have not responded to my post.

Geology and meteorology confirm the evolution of man in the Iranian Plateau. The supporters of the theory of the migration of the Aryans from the north to Iran assume that with the fall in the temperature during the ice age, men were forced to migrate from the north (Central Asia) to the south (Iran). But the homo race was formed at the end of the third ice age, i.e. when the weather was gradually warming from the south to the north. Therefore, it would have been natural for people to migrate from south to north, and not the other way round. In fact, Central Asia was not habitable for men for thousands of years after the ice age, it only became so in the historic age as a result of the melting and receding of the arctic ice cap. Later groups of Iranians and Chinese migrated to these areas and formed the Turk race through cross breeding. The Indians are a hybrid of early Dravidians and the white Iranian race, a fact, which is evident from their dark skin.

specifically this, which blows your theory away.......

synergy777

20-07-2007, 02:39 PM

december won't respond anon, but his choice of pics, is rather good, lol.

synergy777

22-07-2007, 08:57 PM

like i said reinvasion from previously migrated indians would/could have happened. but the timescale of 3000/4000 years, the vedas predates this. so maybe european invaders came and attached themselves to the vedic culture as a spoil of war.

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=1465

Linguists seek a time when we spoke as one
2007 07 22

By Moises Velasquez-Manoff | usatoday.com

A controversial research project is trying to trace all human language to a common root.

Around 50,000 years ago, something happened to our ancestors in Africa. Anatomically modern humans, who had existed for at least 150,000 years prior, suddenly began behaving differently. Until then, their conduct scarcely differed from that of their hominid cousins, the Neanderthals. Both buried their dead; both used stone tools; and as social apes, both had some form of communication, which some think was gestural.

But then, "almost overnight, everything changes very rapidly," says Merritt Ruhlen, a lecturer in the Anthropological Sciences Department at Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif. Humans began making much better stone tools. They started burying their dead with accouterments that suggested religion. And perhaps most telling, Homo sapiens, the "wise" apes, began creating art.

"People started having imagination at this time much more than they had earlier," says Dr. Ruhlen.

Many scientists think that fully modern human language enabled this "great leap forward." Language enabled abstract thought, the deciding factor in archaic humans becoming – well, us. And because scientists surmise that language arose only once, they believe that before leaving Africa to colonize the world, all humankind spoke one language. Linguists have dubbed it "proto-world" or "proto-sapiens."

A multidisciplinary team of scientists at the Santa Fe Institute in New Mexico is working toward reconstructing that mother of all languages. Headed by Nobel Laureate physicist Murray Gell-Mann, the international Evolution of Human Languages (EHL) project is developing a freely accessible etymological database of the world's languages. Where possible, EHL linguists are attempting to reconstruct – and then compare – ancestor languages, moving ever closer to the first human language. Viewed by many linguists as a fringe movement, the project has attracted much criticism. Many linguists say that historical languages cannot be studied beyond an 8,000-year threshold; they change too much, they say. Some take issue with the project's methods: A few words shared among reconstructed languages doesn't prove a familial relationship, they insist, especially far back in time.

Languages change constantly. Speakers invent or borrow words to suit their needs. But for reasons not completely understood, some languages change more than others. Italian, for example, has remained much closer to ancestral Latin than French. Lithuanian has many words that almost exactly match Sanskrit, which was spoken 3,500 years ago. And some language "families" like Afroasiatic retain words in common even after more than 10,000 years of divergent evolution.

"That time limit is totally wrong," says John Bengtson, vice president of the Association for the Study of Language in Prehistory in Cambridge, Mass. "Languages that have been separated 8,000 years get down to a low percentage of common words. However, that low percentage seems to be very stable."

And there begins EHL's approach. Within languages, linguists think that because certain words – including the pronoun "we" and the number "one" – form the basis of a functional language, they are much less likely to change or be lost. EHL linguists begin by comparing this "basic lexicon." They include "words that are thoroughly essential and must have been in human language before significant cultural advances were made," writes EHL team member George Starostin, a linguist at the Russian State University for the Humanities in Moscow, in an e-mail.

Using this method, EHL has grouped all the world's languages into 12 linguistic superfamilies. They've tentatively grouped four of these superfamilies, which include languages of Eurasia, North Africa, and some Pacific islands (and maybe languages of the Americas as well) into one super-superfamily dubbed "Borean." An ancestor to a large share of today's languages, Borean was spoken some 16,000 years ago when glaciers covered much of Europe and North America, they say.

EHL linguists use several methods. One – the most controversial, but not the most widely used, says Starostin – involves matching words and meanings across languages. For example, Ruhlen and Bengtson have noticed that a word roughly corresponding to "water," which they render in proto-sapiens as "AQWA," appears in many languages. In Latin it's "aqua"; in Japanese, "aka" means "bilge water"; in Chechen, meanwhile, "aq" means "to suck"; in an African Kung dialect, "kau" means "to rain"; and in Central American Yucatec, "uk" means "to be thirsty."

But critics look at etymologies like these and see only problems. They're too loose with meanings and sounds, they say. And too many alternate explanations exist: Maybe the word was borrowed from one language and spread to the others. Perhaps it's onomatopoetic, a word that sounds like what it is. ("Cock-a-doodle-doo" is an onomatopoetic word that appears in similar form in many languages, but that doesn't prove relation.) Finally, the shorter the word – in some of the languages, just one syllable rather than two or three – the greater the possibility of a chance match.

"You've presented this list of words, but it looks like you can explain these lists in several different ways," says Lyle Campbell, a professor of linguistics at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. "Their data is really easy to challenge, and it's really easy to find words that are similar to one another across languages."

EHL linguists argue that they're only doing exactly what Sir William Jones, who first postulated a common ancestor for classical Greek, Latin, and Sanskrit, did in the 18th century. (Indo-European, the eventual result of Jones's initial observations, is perhaps the most widely accepted language family.) Historical linguistics begins by observing similarities that occur more frequently than dictated by chance, they say – and they're just starting.

The comparison to Jones also underscores another argument central to EHL's endeavor. The further one moves back in time, the more related languages should resemble one another, they believe. "It is more risky because you're comparing two or more hypotheticals to arrive at an even more hypothetical construction," says Mr. Bengtson, "but we think it's still a valid thing to try to do."

Human genetic evidence appears to support EHL's basic assumptions. The human genome indicates that all humanity traces its ancestry to as few as 1,000 individuals who lived between 50,000 and 60,000 years ago. This small founding population may explain how the capacity for language spread so quickly. "Bottlenecks play a very important part in human evolution," says Ruhlen. "This was the first major bottleneck."

Genetics also suggests two separate migrations out of Africa. One followed the south coast of Asia, ending up in Australia at least 45,000 years ago. The other took the land route through the Middle East into Central Asia, where they went both west into Europe and east, eventually reaching the Americas.

Very tentatively, EHL has grouped the world's languages into three super-superfamilies corresponding to these migrations: those that correspond with the coastal route, which include Papuan languages; those that correspond with the land route out of Africa, descendants of Borean, the best reconstructed; and the "click" languages spoken by the San, or "Bushmen," of southern Africa. Scientists think that the San most resemble the first modern humans. Their language, almost unique in its use of click sounds that perhaps other early languages lost, may best conserve traces of proto-sapiens.

Recently, EHL further refined its hypothesis. How could the 16,000-year-old Borean have engendered the lion's share of Eurasian, North African, and American languages? Some 20,000 years ago, at the peak of the last ice age, the world lost much of its linguistic diversity, they argue. Advancing glaciers pushed humanity south, mashing linguistic groups together. As in later periods of human history – like now – only a few languages emerged from that mixing. Borean, they say, was one of them.

Copyright 2007 Christian Science Monitor

Article from: Linguists seek a time when we spoke as one

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synergy777

22-07-2007, 09:08 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070718/sc_livescience/scientisthumanoriginimpossibletopinpoint;_ylt=Aqjg o_5yqrPrcGIKia3mrcRFeQoB

Scientist: Human Origin Impossible to Pinpoint

All modern humans originated in sub-Saharan Africa, according to a new study touted by its funders as the “final blow” against an opposing viewpoint. Not so fast, says one anthropologist who finds flaws in the evidence.

Debate over the origins of modern humans has simmered among anthropologists for years, with one theory asserting that Homo sapiens migrated across the world from a single point in Africa. The other theory states that multiple populations of Homo sapiens independently evolved from Homo erectus in regions beyond Africa.

The new study, published in the July 19 issue of the journal Nature, delivers what the researchers say could be the final verdict in support of the single point "Out of Africa" theory.

“We have combined our genetic data with new measurements of a large sample of skulls to show definitively that modern humans originated from a single area in sub-Saharan Africa,” said lead researcher Andrea Manica of the University of Cambridge.

Out of Africa
Manica and colleagues took multiple measurements of more than 4,500 male fossil skulls from 105 populations around the globe. They combined the results with data from studies of global genetic variations in humans, finding that both genetic and skull variability decreased with distance from Africa. So populations in southeastern Africa held the highest variability compared with populations in other countries.

“Humans seem to have poured out of Africa, spread out across the world, but at a really quite uniform rate such that you get this lovely gradual loss of diversity,” said study team member William Amos of the University of Cambridge.

The results held even when the scientists accounted for climate, since climate conditions can lead to changes in skull features. “In very cold climates you tend to generate a slightly thicker brow ridge. Whether or not that’s to keep horrible blizzards out of your eyes, I don’t know,” Amos said.

Past studies based on skull morphology have been weak and have supported both of the human-origin views.

This study “adds a strong line of evidence to the Out of Africa [hypothesis] using such morphology,” said paleontologist Will Harcourt-Smith of the American Museum of Natural History in New York. Harcourt-Smith was not involved in the current research.

Dissenting voice
However, John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin-Madison says the paper is “mistaken.” A major flaw is that the current research is largely based on skull variability.

“You can’t find the origin of people by measuring the variability of their skulls,” Hawks told LiveScience.

Differences in skull features are related to genetics, and genetic variation depends on how much mixing occurs with other populations. “The main problem with the paper is that it takes some assumptions from genetics papers of 10 to 15 years ago that we now know are wrong,” Hawks said.

Other scenarios, besides the single-origin theory, could account for the link between distance and skull variability. “Africa is ecologically diverse, and cranial variation is a function of environments,” he said. In environments supporting hardy foods such as roots, people would need bigger jaw muscles, and thus larger areas for muscle attachments.

Also, correcting for climate is not a good idea, according to Hawks. “The most important feature that is related to climate is skull size. So by correcting for climate, they are subtracting a major component of variability," he said.

Impossible to solve?
In his own research, Hawks is finding that natural selection has led to changes in thousands of genes during only the past few thousand years.

“I’m really thinking just the opposite of this paper,” Hawks said. “There are differences in the skull between populations, including their variability, but it is mostly due to very recent effects and not the origin of modern humans.”

At the end of the day, a resolution to the "Out of Africa" debate may be impossible, he said. Most of the evidence can be interpreted as supporting both human-origins theories. “It’s really hard to find observations that distinguish the two,” Hawks said.

“The multiregional idea is identical to the recent African origin idea, except for its prediction that Europeans and Asians were part of the single population of origin and didn’t become extinct.”

Finding an answer still intrigues paleontologists. “To know the manner in which our direct ancestors evolved from earlier hominins, as well as which species died out and which didn't,” Harcourt-Smith said, “provides us with an insight into the actual process of human evolution.”

The recent study was funded by the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council (BBSRC).

eternal_spirit

22-07-2007, 09:21 PM

I just wanna marry a nice asian girl and have 10 kids lol. But her family would probably wanna chop offf my white balls. Different races should be forced to marry and breed by law. I'll be back with a more serious reply soon.

eternal_spirit

22-07-2007, 09:31 PM

I've just typed this from an Encyclopedia one of my favourite if not my favourite book. :)

Aryans = Peoples speaking Indo European, Indo -Iranian. or Indo-Aryan languages. It has been claimed that all the
Indo-European peoples originated from an Aryan people who dispersed from a common homeland into Europe and N India
Indo_aryan speaking peoples certainly invaded and settled in N India in the second millenium BC. They were tribal herdsmen
who later became farmers. The earliest literature of India.
the Vedas written in Sanskrit, contains hyms, spells and details of aryan ritual practices.

synergy777

22-07-2007, 09:33 PM

as long as you treat her in the right way, be a good guy, they will come around.

december

22-07-2007, 09:41 PM

I've just typed this from an Encyclopedia one of my favourite if not my favourite book. :)

Eternal_spirits, as member of the OFFICIAL David Icke forum you should know that all these "Encyclopedias" are nothing but the Illuminati propaganda which claims that white people came out of Africa where they used to be monkeys before... :D

Why did the Illuminati invent Out Of Africa theory?

Why did the Illuminati decide to change the name of the whole race from White to Caucasian?

And why did the Illuminati try to make us believe that Israel is (our) Holy Land?

Answer - they did it to confuse the white people in order to destroy our culture and our heritage.

http://www.oxfordancestors.com/bits/logo.jpg

http://www.oxfordancestors.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Y-Haplogroup_R1_distribution.png

Distribution of R1a (purple) and R1b (red)

http://varvar.ru/arhiv/gallery/russian/vasilyev/images/konstantin_vasilyev_1973_8.jpg

eternal_spirit

22-07-2007, 09:47 PM

Yes December it's possible, Where did white people come from :confused:

eternal_spirit

22-07-2007, 10:02 PM

Guess I need to read the thread.

december

22-07-2007, 10:49 PM

Guess I need to read the thread.

That's a good one! :D

Start with the first page, but make sure to ignore some punks...

The first page of this thread -
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5574

anoninnyc

23-07-2007, 12:32 AM

That's a good one! :D

Start with the first page, but make sure to ignore some punks...

The first page of this thread -
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5574

yes december, ignore anyone who provides evidence that does not jive with your unsubstantiated theories. All you do is cut and paste the same thing again and again. are you just a parrot or can you think for yourself?

lumukanda

23-07-2007, 12:34 AM

aaawk, polly wants a whites only russia aawk!

armoured saint

23-07-2007, 05:26 AM

yes december, ignore anyone who provides evidence that does not jive with your unsubstantiated theories. All you do is cut and paste the same thing again and again. are you just a parrot or can you think for yourself?

Hey!

You stole my line. I called him a parrot on "The Forum" once upon a time.

anoninnyc

23-07-2007, 06:43 AM

Hey!

You stole my line. I called him a parrot on "The Forum" once upon a time.

lol, well it was bound to happen again........... if i didn't use the parrot metaphor it would have likened him to an automatically generated computer response or something.

on a more serious note, i find it sad that the nwo/illuminati or whatever you want to call them has done such a successful number on decembers head. they rule us because they have mastered the concept of divide and conquer. while it is fascinating to consider where the different races, ethnicities etc. came from, when it comes down to it we are human beings and should not let our differences overshadow our much more important similarities.

tru3

23-07-2007, 12:50 PM

I'm Spartacus!

No! I AM SPARTACUS!

tru3

23-07-2007, 12:52 PM

tru3

23-07-2007, 12:59 PM

Ever hear of the panspermia

wasn't that a porno movie?

synergy777

23-07-2007, 01:38 PM

tru, i got speed angel, prevents one from getting flashed by those cameras, lol or i just use the cloaking device,lol

coco

17-09-2010, 03:18 PM

"Where Do White People Come From?"

I'm from Florida.

dantesrevival

17-09-2010, 03:22 PM

that's some serious necroing!

mrindigo

17-09-2010, 03:25 PM

"Where Do White People Come From?"

I'm from Florida but I live in Texas now.

Haha, I was thinking the same sort of thing Coco. :D

On a serious note: It's said that we're descendants of a group of humans from the black sea area, particularly the Caucasus mountains. Our blue eye trait can be traced from a common ancestor there.

There is some mythology involved too if you know where to look. There are also some interesting accounts made by Roman soldiers in the Spanish highlands. They wrote about an encounter involving light skinned Barbarians who were marauding the towns (Later known as Celts). They would then go back to the mountains.

mikey mikey

17-09-2010, 03:25 PM

Where did white people come from?

Same as every other kinda people.

From your mother.

Twixt the shit and the piss.

coco

17-09-2010, 03:26 PM

that's some serious necroing!

I had to look that up. ;)

I didn't know this thread was that old until I just looked. Anyway, I was performing a search for a totally unrelated subject and saw this one.

chillwill

17-09-2010, 03:26 PM

"Where Do White People Come From?"

I'm from Florida.

That was worth it to bump this ancient thread:rolleyes::D

hadabusa

17-09-2010, 03:26 PM

from the hills.

seriously, from mum&dad.

:p

coco

17-09-2010, 03:28 PM

Haha, I was thinking the same sort of thing Coco. :D

On a serious note: It's said that we're descendants of a group of humans from the black sea area, particularly the Caucasus mountains. Our blue eye trait can be traced from a common ancestor there.

There is some mythology involved too if you know where to look. There are also some interesting accounts made by Roman soldiers in the Spanish highlands. They wrote about an encounter involving light skinned Barbarians who were marauding the towns (Later known as Celts). They would then go back to the mountains.

That would explain the strange urge I have from time to time to maraud. :)

mrindigo

17-09-2010, 03:29 PM

That would explain the strange urge I have from time to time to maraud. :)

Haha! I'll let you borrow my battle axe if you need to. :D

coco

17-09-2010, 03:35 PM

Haha! I'll let you borrow my battle axe if you need to. :D

Why thank you! I hope it matches my shield and horns.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2upvj2f.jpg

tinyint

17-09-2010, 03:39 PM

That would explain the strange urge I have from time to time to maraud. :)

That makes you an evil white marauder from Florida! :eek:

coco

17-09-2010, 03:46 PM

That makes you an evil white marauder from Florida! :eek:

:D

I would maraud in Texas but the police actually enforce laws here. I am unaccustomed to this. Cuts down on my marauding and pillaging those damn Romans.

tinyint

17-09-2010, 03:50 PM

:D

I would maraud in Texas but the police actually enforce laws here. I am unaccustomed to this. Cuts down on my marauding and pillaging those damn Romans.

Well, maybe you need a license for this in texas? I heard the romans sell indulgence. :D

energi

17-09-2010, 03:50 PM