Raw Food & Dairy Lies

[kiwimaj]

A very interesting piece from David Wolfe, stepping outside if the box. I think he is also a fan of Mr Icke.

David Wolfe: Raw Food and Dairy Lies - YouTube

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"The larger the lie the more people believe it." If only more could comprehend this simple fact.

[boots]

There are more lie's being promoted in these fads.

The guy's lactose intolerant big deal:rolleyes: Not all people are.

Humans have been drinking milk for 8000 years. There ARE farmers out there doing the right thing by the cow's Go out an support them. I will. Instead of attacking and destroying peoples families and livelihood.

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Real Milk Cures Many Diseases

By realmilk.com (http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/author/realmilkcom/)

The following is an edited version of an article by Dr. J. R. Crewe, of the Mayo Foundation, forerunner of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN, published in Certified Milk Magazine, January 1929. We are grateful to Dr. Ron Schmid, ND of Middlebury, CT for unearthing this fascinating piece. The “Milk Cure” was the subject of at least two books by other authors, written subsequently to Dr. Crewe’s work. The milk used was, in all cases, the only kind of milk available in those daysraw milk from pasture-fed cows, rich in butterfat. The treatment is a combination of detoxifying fast and nutrient-dense feeding. Note that Crewe quotes William Osler, author of a standard medical textbook of the day. Thus, this protocol was an orthodox, accepted therapy in the early 1900s. Today the Mayo Clinic provides surgery and drug treatments, but nothing as efficacious and elegant as the Milk Cure. (To find out about Raw Milk in Australia contact Real Milk Australia (http://www.realmilkaustralia.com/) - Ed)
For fifteen years the writer has employed the certified milk treatment in various diseases and during the past ten he had a small sanitarium devoted principally to this treatment. The results obtained in various types of disease have been so uniformly excellent that one’s conception of disease and its alleviation is necessarily changed. The method itself is so simple that it does not greatly interest most doctors and the main stimulus for its use is from the patients themselves.
To cure disease we should seek to improve elimination, to make better blood and more blood, to build up the body resistance. The method used tends to accomplish these things. Blood conditions rapidly improve and the general condition and resistance is built up and recovery follows.
In several instances, Osler (Principles and Practices of Medicine, by William Osler, MD eighth edition) speaks of milk as being nothing more than white blood. Milk resembles blood closely and is a useful agent for improving and making new and better blood. Blood is the chief agent of metabolism. Milk is recognized in medical literature almost exclusively as a useful food and is admitted to be a complete food.

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There are more lie's being promoted in these fads.

The guy's lactose intolerant big deal:rolleyes: Not all people are.

Humans have been drinking milk for 8000 years. There ARE farmers out there doing the right thing by the cow's Go out an support them. I will. Instead of attacking and destroying peoples families and livelihood.

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By realmilk.com (http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/author/realmilkcom/)

The following is an edited version of an article by Dr. J. R. Crewe, of the Mayo Foundation, forerunner of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN, published in Certified Milk Magazine, January 1929. We are grateful to Dr. Ron Schmid, ND of Middlebury, CT for unearthing this fascinating piece. The “Milk Cure” was the subject of at least two books by other authors, written subsequently to Dr. Crewe’s work. The milk used was, in all cases, the only kind of milk available in those daysraw milk from pasture-fed cows, rich in butterfat. The treatment is a combination of detoxifying fast and nutrient-dense feeding. Note that Crewe quotes William Osler, author of a standard medical textbook of the day. Thus, this protocol was an orthodox, accepted therapy in the early 1900s. Today the Mayo Clinic provides surgery and drug treatments, but nothing as efficacious and elegant as the Milk Cure. (To find out about Raw Milk in Australia contact Real Milk Australia (http://www.realmilkaustralia.com/) - Ed)
For fifteen years the writer has employed the certified milk treatment in various diseases and during the past ten he had a small sanitarium devoted principally to this treatment. The results obtained in various types of disease have been so uniformly excellent that one’s conception of disease and its alleviation is necessarily changed. The method itself is so simple that it does not greatly interest most doctors and the main stimulus for its use is from the patients themselves.
To cure disease we should seek to improve elimination, to make better blood and more blood, to build up the body resistance. The method used tends to accomplish these things. Blood conditions rapidly improve and the general condition and resistance is built up and recovery follows.
In several instances, Osler (Principles and Practices of Medicine, by William Osler, MD eighth edition) speaks of milk as being nothing more than white blood. Milk resembles blood closely and is a useful agent for improving and making new and better blood. Blood is the chief agent of metabolism. Milk is recognized in medical literature almost exclusively as a useful food and is admitted to be a complete food.

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very interesting boots, theres alot to look at here, going to put some research into this myself:)

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http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/milk_the_facts_and_fallacies?opendocument

[boots]

very interesting boots, theres alot to look at here, going to put some research into this myself:)

Yes I can't agree to having to drink milk that is tainted with hormones, if this is in fact a scientific proof that these get into the milk?

We have been drinking the stuff for thousands of years and have grown as a civilization. only in the last 200 to 300 years has there been problems with cancer and other health issues. SO I wouldn't say it is milk that is the problem.

My main concern is to get away from all corporate/illuminati controls and go natural. For me I will go to the small farmer and the cottage industries AND SUPPORT THEM. Even if it will cost me more. fuck it I'll do without something else.

Go natural.:)

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http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/milk_the_facts_and_fallacies?opendocument


Good link :)

From that.


Lactose intolerance
Lactose is a type of carbohydrate or sugar that naturally occurs in milk from any mammal, including humans. Normally, an enzyme in the small intestine called lactase breaks down lactose so it can be absorbed into the bloodstream. Some people don’t produce enough lactase so undigested lactose is broken up by the bacteria in the large intestine causing gas, bloating, pain and diarrhoea. This condition is called ‘lactose intolerance’.

You can be born lactose intolerant or develop it later in life. If you think you may be lactose intolerant, see your doctor.

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Milk: A Cruel and Unhealthy Product

Given the chance, cows nurture their young and form lifelong friendships with one another. They play games, have a wide range of emotions, and demonstrate personality traits, such as vanity. But most cows raised for the dairy-products industry are intensively confined, leaving them unable to fulfill their most basic desires, such as nursing their calves, even for a single day. They are treated like milk-producing machines and are genetically manipulated and pumped full of antibiotics and hormones that cause them to produce more milk. While cows suffer in animal factories, humans who drink their milk increase their chances of developing heart disease, diabetes, several types of cancer, and many other ailments.

Cows Suffer on Dairy Farms

Cows produce milk for the same reason that humans do—to nourish their young—but calves on dairy farms are taken away from their mothers when they are just 1 day old. They are fed milk replacers (including cattle blood) so that their mothers’ milk can be sold to humans.(1,2)

Female cows are artificially inseminated shortly after their first birthdays.(3)
After giving birth, they lactate for 10 months and are then inseminated again, continuing the cycle. Some spend their entire lives standing on concrete floors; others are confined to massive, crowded lots, where they are forced to live amid their own waste. Cows have a natural lifespan of about 25 years and can produce milk for eight or nine years. However, the stress caused by the conditions in animal factories leads to disease, lameness, and reproductive problems that render cows worthless to the dairy-products industry by the time that they’re 4 or 5 years old, at which time they are sent to be slaughtered.(4,5)

On any given day, there are more than 8 million cows on U.S. dairy farms—about 14 million fewer than there were in 1950. Yet milk production has continued to increase, from 116 billion pounds of milk per year in 1950 to 170 billion pounds in 2004.(6,7) Normally, these animals would produce only enough milk to meet the needs of their calves (around 16 pounds per day), but genetic manipulation, antibiotics, and hormones are used to force each cow to produce more than 18,000 pounds of milk each year (an average of 50 pounds per day).(8,9) Cows are also fed unnatural, high-protein diets—which include dead chickens, pigs, and other animals—because their natural diet of grass would not provide the nutrients that they need to produce such massive amounts of milk.(10)

Mastitis

Painful inflammation of the mammary glands, or mastitis, is common among cows raised for their milk and is one of dairy farms’ most frequently cited reasons for sending cows to slaughter. There are about 150 bacteria that can cause the disease, one of which is E. coli.(11) Symptoms are not always visible, so milk’s somatic cell count (SCC) is checked to determine whether the milk is infected. Somatic cells include white blood cells and skin cells that are normally shed from the lining of the udder. As in humans, white blood cells—also known as “pus”—are produced as a means of combating infection. The SCC of healthy milk is below 100,000 cells per milliliter; however, the dairy-products industry is allowed to combine milk from the teats of all the cows in a herd in order to arrive at a “bulk tank” somatic cell count (BTSCC); milk with a maximum BTSCC of 750,000 cells per milliliter is allowed to be sold.(12,13) A BTSCC of 700,000 or more generally indicates that two-thirds of the cows in the herd are suffering from udder infections.(14)

Studies have shown that providing cows with cleaner housing, more space, and better diets, bedding, and care lowers their milk’s SCC as well as their incidence of mastitis.(15) A Danish study of cows subjected to automated milking systems found “acutely elevated cell counts during the first year compared with the previous year with conventional milking. The increase came suddenly and was synchronized with the onset of automatic milking.”(16) Instead of improving conditions in animal factories or easing cows’ production burden, the dairy-products industry is exploring the use of cloned cattle who have been genetically manipulated to be resistant to mastitis.(17)

The Veal Connection

If you drink milk, you’re subsidizing the veal industry. While female calves are slaughtered or kept alive to produce milk, male calves are often taken away from their mothers when they are as young as 1 day old and are chained in tiny stalls for three to 18 weeks to be raised for veal.(18,19) Calves raised for veal are fed a milk substitute that is designed to make them gain at least 2 pounds per day, and their diet is purposely low in iron so that their flesh stays pale as a result of anemia.(20) An enzyme from their stomachs is used to produce rennet, an ingredient used in many cheeses.(21) In addition to suffering from diarrhea, pneumonia, and lameness, calves raised for veal are terrified and desperate for their mothers.

Environmental Destruction

Large dairy farms have an enormously detrimental effect on the environment. In California, America’s top milk-producing state, manure from dairy farms has poisoned hundreds of square miles of groundwater, rivers, and streams. Each of the more than 1 million cows on the state’s dairy farms excretes 120 pounds of waste daily.(22) Overall, animals in animal factories, including dairy farms, produce 1.65 billion tons of manure each year, much of which ends up in our waterways and drinking water.(23) The Environmental Protection Agency reports that agricultural runoff is the primary cause of polluted lakes, streams, and rivers. The dairy-products industry is the primary source of smog-forming pollutants in California; a single cow emits more of these harmful gases than a car does.(24)

Eighty percent of all agricultural land in the U.S. is used to raise animals for food or to grow grain to feed them—that’s almost half the total land mass of the contiguous 48 states.(25) Each cow raised by the dairy-products industry consumes as much as 50 gallons of water per day.(26)

Human Bodies Fight Cow’s Milk

Besides humans (and companion animals who are fed by humans), no species drinks milk beyond infancy or drinks the milk of another species. Cow’s milk is suited to the nutritional needs of calves, who have four stomachs and gain hundreds of pounds in a matter of months, sometimes weighing more than 1,000 pounds before they are 2 years old.(27)

Cow’s milk is the number one cause of food allergies among infants and children, according to the American Gastroenterological Association.(28) Most people begin to produce less lactase, the enzyme that helps with the digestion of milk, when they are as young as 2 years old. This reduction can lead to lactose intolerance.(29) Millions of Americans are lactose intolerant, and an estimated 90 percent of Asian-Americans and 75 percent of Native- and African-Americans suffer from the condition, which can cause bloating, gas, cramps, vomiting, headaches, rashes, and asthma.(30) Studies have also found that autism and schizophrenia in children may be linked to the body’s inability to digest casein, a milk protein; symptoms of these diseases diminished or disappeared in 80 percent of the children who switched to milk-free diets.(31)

A U.K. study showed that people who suffered from irregular heartbeats, asthma, headaches, fatigue, and digestive problems “showed marked and often complete improvements in their health after cutting milk from their diets.”(32)

Calcium and Protein Myths

Although American women consume tremendous amounts of calcium, their rates of osteoporosis are among the highest in the world. Conversely, Chinese people consume half as much calcium (most of it from plant sources) and have very low incidence of the bone disease.(33) Medical studies indicate that rather than preventing the disease, milk may actually increase women’s risk of getting osteoporosis. A Harvard Nurses’ Study of more than 77,000 women ages 34 to 59 found that those who consumed two or more glasses of milk per day had higher risks of broken hips and arms than those who drank one glass or less per day.(34) T. Colin Campbell, professor of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University, said, “The association between the intake of animal protein and fracture rates appears to be as strong as that between cigarette smoking and lung cancer.”(35)

Humans can get all the protein that they need from nuts, seeds, yeast, grains, beans, and other legumes. It’s very difficult not to get enough calories from protein when you eat a healthy diet; protein deficiency (also known as kwashiorkor) is very rare in the United States and is usually only a problem for people who live in famine-stricken countries.(36) Consumption of excessive protein from dairy products, eggs, and meat has been linked to the formation of kidney stones and has been associated with colon cancer and liver cancer.(37,38) It’s also suspected that consuming too much protein puts a strain on the kidneys, which compensate by leeching calcium from the bones.(39)

What You Can Do

The best way to save cows from the misery of animal factories is to stop buying milk and other dairy products. Discover the joy of soy! Fortified plant-derived milks provide calcium, vitamins, iron, zinc, and protein but do not contain any cholesterol. These alternatives are perfect for cereal, coffee, and soups and also work well in baked goods and other recipes. Many delicious dairy-product alternatives—such as almond, rice, oat, and soy milks as well as Soy Dream and Tofutti “ice cream”—are available in grocery and health-food stores. Visit VegCooking.com for ideas, or call 1-888-VEG-FOOD to order a free vegetarian starter kit.

References

1) David Goldstein, “Up Close: A Beef With Dairy,” KCAL, 30 May 2002.
2) Stephanie Simon, “Mad Cow Casts Light on Beef Uses,” Los Angeles Times 4 Jan. 2004.
3) David R. Winston, “Goals for Heifer Rearing,” Department of Dairy Science, Virginia Polytech University, 1 Oct. 1996.
4) Anne Karpf, “Dairy Monsters,” The Guardian 13 Dec. 2003.
5) Richard L. Wallace, “Market Cows: A Potential Profit Center,” University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 2004.
6) U.S. Department of Agriculture, National Agriculture Statistics Service, “Milk Production,” 18 Jul. 2006.
7) Don P. Blaney, “The Changing Landscape of U.S. Milk Production,” Statistical Bulletin Number 978, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Jun. 2002.
8) Blaney.
9) David Pace, “Feeding a Bucket Calf,” Oklahoma Cooperative Extension Service, Oklahoma State University.
10) Simon.
11) Helen Pearson, “Udder Suicide, E. Coli Kill Off Milk-Making Mammary Cells,” Nature 6 Aug. 2001.
12) National Mastitis Council, “Guidelines on Normal and Abnormal Raw Milk Based on Somatic Cell Counts and Signs of Clinical Mastitis,” 2001.
13) P.L. Ruegg, “Practical Food Safety Interventions for Dairy Production,” Journal of Dairy Science 86 (2003): E1-E9.
14) National Mastitis Council.
15) S. Waage et al., “Identification of Risk Factors for Clinical Mastitis in Dairy Heifers,” Journal of Dairy Science 81 (1998): 1275-84.
16) Morten Dam Rasmussen et al., “The Impact of Automatic Milking on Udder Health,” Proceedings of the Second International Symposium on Mastitis and Milk Quality (Vancouver: 2001).
17) Michael Raine, “Cloning—New Era in Breeding Technology Raises Hopes, Concerns,” The Western Producer 17 Jul. 2002.
18) Susan C. Kahler, “Raising Contented Cattle Makes Welfare, Production Sense,” Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 218 (2001): 182-6.
19) U.S. Department of Agriculture, Food Safety and Inspection Service, “Safety of Veal, From Farm to Table,” May 2005.
20) John M. Smith, “Raising Dairy Veal,” Ohio State University, information adapted from the Guide for the Care and Production of Veal Calves, 4th ed., 1993, American Veal Association, Inc.
21) The European Food Information Council, “Chymosin and Cheese Making,” 2003.
22) Marla Cone, “State Dairy Farms Try to Clean Up Their Act,” Los Angeles Times 28 Apr. 1998.
23) M. Jenkins and D.D. Bowman, “Viability of Pathogens in the Environment,” Pathogens in the Environment Workshop Proceedings (Kansas City, Mo.: 23-25 Feb. 2004).
24) James Owen, “California Cows Fail Latest Emissions Test,” National Geographic News 16 Aug. 2005.
25) Marlow Vesterby and Kenneth S. Krupa, “Major Uses of Land in the United States, 1997,” Statistical Bulletin Number 973, U.S. Department of Agriculture, 1997.
26) Rick Grant, “Water Quality and Requirements for Dairy Cattle,” NebGuide, Cooperative Extension, Institute of Agriculture and Natural Resources, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, 1996.
27) Ontario Farm Animal Council, “Beef Cattle Farming in Ontario,” 2005.
28) American Gastroenterological Association, “American Gastroenterological Association Medical Position Statement: Guidelines for the Evaluation of Food Allergies,” Gastroenterology 120 (2001): 1023-5.
29) National Digestive Diseases Information Clearinghouse, “Lactose Intolerance,” National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, Mar. 2003.
30) Courtney Taylor, “Got Milk (Intolerance)? Digestive Malady Affects 30-50 Million,” The Clarion-Ledger 1 Aug. 2003.
31) “Milk Protein May Play Role in Mental Disorders,” Reuters Health, 1 Apr. 1999.
32) Severin Carrell, “Milk Causes ‘Serious Illness for 7M Britons.’ Scientists Say Undetected Lactose Intolerance Is to Blame for Chronic Fatigue, Arthritis, and Bowel Problems,” The Independent 22 Jun. 2003.
33) Karpf.
34) D. Feskanich et al., “Milk, Dietary Calcium, and Bone Fractures in Women: A 12-Year Prospective Study,” American Journal of Public Health, 87 (1997) 992-97.
35) Karpf.
36) U.S. National Library and the National Institutes of Health, “Kwashiorkor,” Medline Plus Medical Encyclopedia, 13 Jun. 2006.
37) Gary C. Curhan et al., “A Prospective Study of Dietary Calcium and Other Nutrients and the Risk of Symptomatic Kidney Stones,” The New England Journal of Medicine 328 (1993): 833-8.
38) Kathleen M. Stadler, “The Diet and Cancer Connection,” Virginia Tech, Nov. 1997.
39) Karpf.

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Good link :)


http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/milk_the_facts_and_fallacies?opendocument

Good link, straight from the corporate-loving government.

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Milk and health conditions
Australians tend to restrict dairy foods when they try to lose weight, believing them to be fattening. Dairy foods contain saturated fats, which have been associated with increased blood cholesterol levels. However, dairy foods are not a threat to good health if consumed in moderation as part of a well-balanced nutritious diet.

Some research findings include:

Osteoporosis – if milk and milk products are removed from the diet, it can lead to an inadequate intake of calcium. This is of particular concern for women, who have high calcium needs. Calcium deficiency may lead to disorders like osteoporosis (a disease characterised by bone loss).
Colon cancer – recent studies have found that people who regularly eat dairy products have a reduced risk of developing colon cancer.
Blood pressure – research in the US found that a high intake of fruits and vegetables, combined with low fat dairy foods, lowered blood pressure more than fruits and vegetables alone.
Type 2 diabetes – a 10-year study of 3,000 overweight adults found that consuming milk and other milk products instead of refined sugars and carbohydrates may protect overweight young adults from developing type 2 diabetes.

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From plant Based Nutrition and Health, by Stephen Walsh:

Calcium reduces both haem and non-haem iron absorption by up to 50%. Its inhibiting effect reaches a maximum at calcium contents of 200 to 300 milligrams or more per meal. In contrast to phytates and polyphenols, this effect is not neutralised by organic acids. This is not a good reason to reduce calcium intake, because the very low intake required to significantly reduce the inhibiting effect on iron absorption would be detrimental to calcium balance (see chapter 7). However, if using calcium supplements it might be advantageous to take them other than at meal times - for instance, before going to bed.

Anaemia in infants is still fairly common in the UK, largely because of inappropriate weaning foods. Breast milk ceases to be an adequate source of iron after about six months, so supplementary foods are needed. The weaning foods associated with reduced risk of infant anaemia are, as expected, fruit and vegetables and meat and fish. Use of unfortified cow's milk is a major risk factor for infant anaemia as its limited iron has very low bioavailability and inhibits absorption of iron from other sources.

While Western plant-based diets are not associated with increased anaemia, they are associated with lower iron stores. This might seem to be a disadvantage as lower stores mean less reserves against substantial blood loss, prolonged illness or the high iron demands of pregnancy. However, there is considerable evidence that high iron stores are associated with increased risk of diabetes, heart disease and colon cancer. The evidence is complicated by the fact that as well as reflecting iron stores, ferritin levels rise in the presence of infection or inflammation, so results to date are far from conclusive.

The strongest evidence of an adverse effect of high iron stores comes from studies which have found that while vegetarians generally show lower insulin resistance (indicating lower risk of diabetes) the insulin resistance of omnivores decreases if their iron stores are reduced from a ferritin level of about 85 to about 30 micrograms per litre by frequent blood donation.

Increased mortality from heart disease in individuals with a gene promoting moderately increased iron stores also strongly supports the hypothesis that high iron stores lead to increased heart disease.

Individuals following a plant-based diet rich in vitamin C from fruit and vegetables may have the best of both worlds in terms of adequate but not excessive iron stores.

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No factory farming.

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Dangers Of Milk And Dairy Products - The Facts
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Dangers Of Milk And
Dairy Products - The Facts

By Dave Rietz
Webmaster www.notmilk.com
7-6-2

Yes... milk is Mother Nature's "perfect food" ...for a calf... until it is weaned.

Everything you know about cow's milk and dairy is probably part of a Dairy industry MYTH.

Cow's milk is an unhealthy fluid from diseased animals that contains a wide range of dangerous and disease-causing substances that have a cumulative negative effect on all who consume it.

MILK'S BASIC CONTENTS

*ALL* cow's milk (regular and 'organic') has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and cholesterol.

Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing ... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).

LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN AMERICA
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html (1998)

Rank Total Description

1 724,859 Heart Disease (think fats/cholesterol: meat/dairy)
2 541,532 Malignant Neoplasms (cancer: think toxins/milk/dairy)
2a 250,000 Medical system (drugs/etc. think ignorance/incompetence)
3 158,448 Cerebro-vascular (think meat milk and dairy)
4 112,584 Bronchitis Emphysema Asthma (think toxins/milk/dairy)
5 97,835 Unintentional Injuries and Adverse Effects
6 91,871 Pneumonia & Influenza (think weak immune systems and
mucus)
7 64,751 Diabetes (think milk/dairy)
7a 40,000+ Highway slaughter (men, women and children)
8 30,575 Suicide (think behavioral problems)
9 26,182 Nephritis (Bright's disease: inflammation of the
kidneys)
10 25,192 Liver Disease (think alcohol and other toxins)

(2a and 7a were added for completeness)

(note: Number 13 on the CDC list is -18,272 Homicide & Legal Intervention-. It is curious that the CDC would readily list law enforcement and homicides... and not the 250,000 deaths caused by the medical system!)

CANCER FUEL

Of those 59 hormones one is a powerful GROWTH hormone called Insulin- like Growth Factor ONE (IGF-1). By a freak of nature it is identical in cows and humans. Consider this hormone to be a "fuel cell" for any cancer... (the medical world says IGF-1 is a key factor in the rapid growth and proliferation of breast, prostate and colon cancers, and we suspect that most likely it will be found to promote ALL cancers).

IGF-1 is a normal part of ALL milk... the newborn is SUPPOSED to grow quickly! What makes the 50% of obese American consumers think they need MORE growth? Consumers don't think anything about it because they do not have a clue to the problem... nor do most of our doctors.

(See http://www.notmilk.com/igf1time.txt for a time line)

QUANTITY

Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES whatever was in that sip of milk... because it takes ten pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese. Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21 times whatever is contained in the fat molecules in a sip of milk.

MONSANTO AND rbGH (Posilac)

Monsanto Chemical Co., maker of fine poisons such as DDT, agent orange, Roundup and more... spent around half a billion dollars inventing a shot to inject into cows... to force a cow to produce MORE milk (for an already glutted taxpayer subsidized market).

Unfortunately, they created *FIVE* errors in their Frankenstein Posilac (rbGH) shot that direly affected all test animals... but that important report (Richard, Odaglia & Deslex, 1989) has been hidden from everyone under Clinton's Trade Secrets act. The Canadians read enough of this report (before it was stolen) to reject rbGH for their country.

Monsanto's Posilac creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed in the stomach. If that were true, the FDA has proven that breast feeding cannot work. Common sense says their "finding" is ridiculous because this growth factor DOES make the baby calf grow (rapidly, as mother natured intended). Visit the Dairy Education Board at http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html to review a DAIRY study that confirms what the FDA has lied about this for years.

IGF-1 INCREASES

This study involved two groups. One group consuming 12 ounces of milk a day and the other consuming the USDA recommended allowance of 24 ounces (three cups). This report notes that the participants consuming 12 ounces more milk per day... HAD A 10% RISE IN IGF-1 IN THEIR BLOOD SERUM! Now, consider that PER DAY, from ALL sources, the typical milk/dairy consumer ingests approximately 39% of daily diet from dairy... and that 10% increase becomes the "tip of the iceberg". We have NO idea of the non-dairy versus full-dairy difference but considering cancer rates... it has to be significant.

FAT

Whole milk 49% of the calories are from fat.
"2%" milk 35% of the calories are from fat.
Cheddar cheese 74% of the calories are from fat.
Butter 100% of the calories are from fat.

Most folks suspect that butter is all fat. Most folks have no concept of the just how much fat is in the rest of milk and dairy. Perhaps the 54% of Americans who are obese need to comprehend that milk, ice cream, cheeses, yogurts, and all the OTHER products that use milk derivatives (casein, whey, lactose, colostrum) are most likely a significant cause for their weight and health problem.

CALCIUM

Calcium? Where do the COWS get calcium for their big bones? Yes... from plants! The calcium they consume from plants has a large amount of magnesium... necessary for the body to absorb and USE the calcium.

The calcium in cow's milk is basically useless because it has insufficient magnesium content (those nations with the highest amount of milk/dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis. Proof? How about a controlled study of 78,000 nurses over a period of 12 years?

Read more about it at:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/030799.html Article on the 78,000 nurse study
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092098.html CALCIUM AND BONE DISEASE
http://www.notmilk.com/badbones.html WHO GETS BONE DISEASE?
http://www.notmilk.com/bonehead.txt CRIPPLING BONEHEADS
http://www.notmilk.com/calcium/index.html Consolidated info

Cows milk has three times the calcium as does human breast milk. No matter, neither are very usable because in order to be absorbed and used their MUST be an equal quantity of MAGNESIUM (as exists in the greens that cows eat to get all the calcium they need for their big bones). Milk has only enough magnesium to absorb around 11% (33mg per cup) of calcium.

Per the USDA 8 ounces (one cup) of cows milk contains:

Calcium, Ca mg 291.336
Magnesium, Mg mg 32.794

The USDA recommends 1200mg of calcium per day. The USDA recommended three cups of milk a day only have 900mg of calcium. Some argue that only 1/3 of the magnesium is necessary. Mother nature seems to suggest it should be one to one. If the ratio for proper absorption were 1/3 magnesium to one calcium then no more than 300mg of that 900mg of calcium is usable. If, in fact, it is a one to one ratio... only 98.38mg of calcium is usable.

It is not a matter of how much calcium one ingests... but how much one does not lose.

PROTEIN

Milk can be thought of as "liquid meat" because of its high protein content which, in concert with other proteins, may actually LEACH calcium from the body. Countries that consume high protein diets (meat, milk and dairy) have the highest rates of osteoporosis.

THE 'WHOLESOME' PROTEIN MYTH

87% of milk is water. That makes it VERY expensive water.

Broken down into its basic groups... WHOLE MILK is:

WATER FAT CASEIN OTHER PROTEIN
87% 3.25% 4% 1% 4.75

(note: that is 3.25% "milkfat" which includes the 87% water.)

80% of the protein in milk is casein. Casein is a powerful binder... a
polymer used to make plastics... and a glue that is better used to make
sturdy furniture or hold beer bottle labels in place. It is in
thousands of processed foods as a binder... as "something" caseinate.

Casein is a powerful allergen... a histamine that creates lots of
mucus. The only medicine in Olympic athlete Flo-Jo's body was Benedryl,
a power antihistamine she took to combat her last meal... pizza.
For the whole Flo-Jo story:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092198.html,
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/111598.html and
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/112398.html for the whole story.

BACTERIA

Cow's milk is allowed to have feces in it. This is a major source for bacteria. Milk is typically pasteurized more than once before it gets to your table... each time for only 15 seconds at 162 degrees Fahrenheit.

To sanitize water one is told to boil it (212 degrees F) for several minutes. That is a tremendous disparity, isn't it!

Keep in mind that at room temperature the number of bacteria in milk DOUBLE around every 20 minutes. No wonder milk turns rotten very quickly.

PUS

ONE cubic centimeter (cc) of commercial cow's milk is allowed to have up to 750,000 somatic cells (common name is "PUS") and 20,000 live bacteria... before it is kept off the market.

That amounts to a whopping 20 million live squiggly bacteria and up to 750 MILLION pus cells per liter (bit more than a quart).

1 cup = 236.5882cc 177,441,150 pus cells ~ 4,731,600 bacteria
24 oz (3 glasses) = 532,323,450 pus cells ~ 14,220,000 bacteria
(the "recommended" daily intake)

The EU and the Canadians allow for a less "tasty" 400,000,000 pus cells per liter.

Typically these levels are lower... but they COULD reach these levels and still get to YOUR table.

CHOLESTEROL

The cholesterol content of those three glasses of milk is equal to what one would get from 53 slices of bacon. Do you know of any doctor who recommends that much bacon per day?

KOSHER

Is cow's milk and dairy "Kosher"? Consider this:

"D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells."

"The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated from the skins of mammals and purified." (Marian Herbert of the Vitamin D Workshop U of C)

Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources:

Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time, Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors.

Short answer to "is milk kosher" - probably not.

OTHER 'STUFF'

Fat and cholesterol. Lots of it. Per the dairy influenced USDA "food pyramid" all milk, dairy and meats should represent no more than 8% of the diet. Statistically, by volume of sales in a nation of 281 million Americans, it works out to almost 40% of the diet for MILK AND DAIRY.. without the meat.

The milk of each of the over 4,700 mammals on earth is formulated specifically for that species. There are special lactoferrins and immunoglobulins (cow specific immunizing stuff) that in humans serve as allergens.

LEUKEMIA

According to Hoards Dairyman (Volume 147, number 4)... 89% of America's dairy herds have the leukemia virus. (more at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/835)

DIABETES

The protein lactalbumin, has been identified as a key factor in diabetes (and a major reason for NOT giving cows milk to infants).

CROHN'S DISEASE

Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a bovine disease called "Johne's."

Cows diagnosed with Johne's Disease have diarrhea, and heavy fecal shedding of bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk, and is not destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk-borne bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and the results are irritable bowel syndrome and Crohn's Disease.

MAD COW DISEASE

There may also be prions (pronounced PREons) in the milk and meat. This is crystalline substance that acts like a virus... with an "incubation" period of from 5 to 30 years. The end result is MAD COW DISEASE!

HOMOGENIZATION

Large fat molecules cannot get through the intestinal wall into the bloodstream. The cream no longer rises... because homogenization breaks up those large molecules into small ones that DO get into the bloodstream! This becomes an expressway for any fat-borne toxins (lead, dioxin's, etc.) into your (otherwise) most protected organs.

CUMULATIVE EFFECTS

How does this impact humans who consume cow's milk and dairy? Obesity (over 50% of Americans and rising), heart disease, cancer, allergies, digestive problems, diabetes, asthma, desensitization to antibiotics, behavioral problems, and the constant ingestion of dioxin's, herbicides, pesticides (and anything else the cow eats that is not good for any critter), that winds up getting stored in HUMAN fat... is not healthy by any measure.

Those who resist believing the truth should understand that MOST of the world's population CANNOT tolerate the lactose in cow's milk. Up to 95% of the black population, around 53% of the Hispanics, etc.) So much for cow's milk being "natures perfect food" for humans! Mother nature knows better.

Common sense question: Where was this massive "milk is a must" before refrigeration, pasteurization and mass transportation? Back when cows gave only 1-4 pounds a day it was quickly made into BUTTER and cheese! Now that those same cows have been tweaked and shot-up with Posilac to produce up to 55 or more pounds of milk per day... almost all year long... it is suddenly (after many thousands of years) a daily "staple". NOT!

POLLUTION

There are around 9.2 million dairy cows in the United states. Each dairy cow ingests around 330 pounds of feed (perhaps 50 pounds) and water (around 280 pounds or 33 gallons) per day. Allowing for the best dairy production of 55 pounds of milk per day (over ten times what mother nature designed the cow to produce) that means that what remains becomes "slurry".

That means around 275 pound of urine and feces per day... per cow, for a daily total of 2.53 BILLION pounds of pollution. Per year... that amounts to around 923 billion pounds of UNTREATED pollution entering our streams, rivers, lakes... and drinking water systems.

Cows are hot-blooded mammals. Like all other mammals they pass gas. Somewhat like elephants their compartmented digestive system is rather inefficient... which leads to the creation of MORE gas. During a Discovery Channel documentary on elephants a parting quip was that the average adult elephant passes enough methane gas per day to run a car about 20 miles.

Cows are not much better. The English New Scientist (page 5 -31.8.96) mentions that cattle produce around 48 kilograms (105 pounds) of methane each per year and that more bubbles out of the animals' manure. Dairy cows eat more because they produce milk. With 9.2 million dairy cows times a minimum of 100 pounds of methane gas per year... that amounts almost a billion pounds of methane gas released into the atmosphere each year. With around 100 million beef cattle... pigs, sheep, and other "factory farmed" animals it should not be difficult to fathom the extent of this problem.

This means that "Beef is a greenhouse-intensive food" and a major cause of global warming (with dairy a significant part of the problem).

Another major point is:

"Milk is a very strong pollutant: it is about 400 times more polluting than untreated sewage. To put it another way, 1,000 gallons of milk has the same polluting potential as the untreated sewage from a town of 7,000 people." Morlais Owen. Chief Scientist for Welsh Water. North Wales Weekly News. 24.3.88.

SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED

Q: What is WHEY?

A: Whey results when the FAT and CASEIN are removed from milk.
In making cheese, the curds become the cheese.

Whey's main components are bovine serum albumin and lactalbumin.
There are other hormones contained in whey.

Q: What happens to the:

59 hormones, scores of allergens herbicides, pesticides, dioxins
up to 52 antibiotics

When made into cheese?

A: Everything gets concentrated.

When made into butter?

A: The allergens get lost: but the dioxin's and
pesticides and antibiotics remain in the fat.

In the digestive system?

A: Steroid hormones survive, as do dioxins and antibiotics.
In homogenized milk, protein hormones survive... depending upon the
gastric pH, some protein hormones in cheese survive, but not all...
eleven steroid hormones survive.

AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

Eventually, everything is broken down, but not before the chemical messengers (hormones) "deliver their message."

Each of those hormones and proteins acts differently and has different rates of degradation. BOTTOM LINE... they all survive to a certain degree... and the effects are cumulative.

OTHER HEATH-TRASHING SUBSTANCES IN COW'S MILK

Whey: Blood proteins. Bovine serum lactalbumin has been identified as a trigger for diabetes and other autoimmune diseases.

Lactose: Two sugars. Glucose and galactose. Galactose has been indentified as a trigger for glaucoma. There are several columns that cover lactose (covering galactose and galactosemia):

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/090599.txt Dr. Gordon: Heart Disease
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/629 Lactose is dangerous
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/453 Ben's heart
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/396 Female Cancers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/378 Lactose intolerance

Colostrum (cow's first milk): Loaded with hormones, particularly IGF-I, along with loads of immunizing agents for COW DISEASES.

Answers courtesy of the NOTMILKMAN. (notmilkman@notmilk.com)

MILK...What a surprise!

Read what a NOTMILK guest book respondent said:
http://www.notmilk.com/gbooktalk.txt

For more of the WHOLE truth... visit:

For all past newsletters visit with a wealth of information:
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/column.html

and for the Daily Squirts of NOTMILK wisdom...
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/squirts.html

Diabetics please read http://www.notmilk.com/deb/011099.html

Read up on "mad cow disease"? Visit
http://www.milkgate.com for what may well be mankind's NEXT plague.

http://www.notmilk.com/milkinfo.txt my 2400 word overview (this file)
http://www.notmilk.com/wholemilk.txt USDA facts, and what they omitted
http://www.notmilk.com/52reasons.txt A reason for every week of the year

Perhaps the BEST single reference:
http://www.notmilk.com/a-z.txt
Extensive reasons by ailment/topic

QUOTES

"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400 lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!" --Dr Michael Klaper MD

"I no longer recommend dairy products after the age of 2 years. Other calcium sources offer many advantages that dairy products do not have." --Dr. Benjamin Spock

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

[Ratiocinator]

A project of The Weston A. Price Foundation (http://www.westonaprice.org/) For international Real Milk Activism go to the the Weston A Price Foundation's Real Milk (http://www.realmilk.com/) Site.

The Weston A. Price Foundation is run by people with vested interests in the animal agriculture markets. They make money in the meat and dairy industries, hence why they so fervently promote health-destroying ways.

They make outlandish claims that are easily proven as lies. All fat soluble vitamins can be obtained through non-animal sources. They don't like to admit that; they just continue spreading their filthy lies.

They are not operated and run by nutritionists, but by people with degrees in creative writing.

Read this:

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives...raditions.html


http://stanford.wellsphere.com/heali...lsewhere/32629

Weston Price, Take Your Pseudo-Science Elsewhere

Dr. Fuhrman addresses another wave of Weston Price silliness. A follow up to Weston A. Price Foundation, Stupid Traditions .

Informed people know that they should disregard any comment about a person who lived a long life, who ate bacon, smoked cigarettes, drank whiskey, snorted cocaine, etc. There is a bell-shaped curve of life-spans of people who eat a poor diet or have poor health habits. Some of these people with risky habits live longer and some shorter, genetics and other factors play a role. A plant-based, high-nutrient diet, or nutritional excellence as I call it, attempts to take the people who might fall in the bottom half of that bell curve and give them a high quality long life too. We have to look at long-lived populations and people who are already diseased and see what it takes to induce reversal to discuss real dietary excellence. And, these Weston Price enthusiasts that are attracted here, whenever their poor science is discussed, bring up more bad science (like irrelevant rat studies fed saturated fats or processed oils and vitamins) add nothing of interest to support those looking to protect themselves with nutritional excellence.

I’ve discussed this topic on DiseaseProof numerous times, but I want people to be clear about nutritional excellence and what constitutes a disease-protective diet. Sometimes commenters, adding their opinion make things less clear. Please do not comment if you have not thoroughly read through the Diet Myths category.

Gerry is not a scientist, physician, or nutritionist. He is here to foster discussion and promote awareness of nutritional excellence, sometimes I don’t like his non-scientific comments, but DiseaseProof is for entertainment too and if a person did go back and read all of my earlier comments on Disease Proof . He wouldn’t have to constantly reiterate my same points.

Unlike Gerry, who is just my blogger and writer, I have diligently spent my entire adult life studying almost every scientific study ever written on human nutrition and carefully going over the data. My 6 books have over 3,000 medical references. I document almost every statement I make, and when you do that, it takes much longer to write. Besides the thousands of readers of my books and this blog, I have also tested my dietary guideline with over 10,000 patients and achieved dramatic disease reversals of diseases such as lupus, psoriasis, headaches, fibromyalgia and heart disease. The true test of nutritional excellence marries the preponderance of evidence from scientific studies, and distilling it down into a lifestyle and dietary advice that works. I am not posting more references here now. That won’t change the views of these people, who already ignore them.

People often view their nutritional viewpoints like a religion. They have a viewpoint and they attempt to defend it to the death, sometimes their own death. Nevertheless, the Weston Price Foundation promotes out-dated and bad science. If you review the data they attempt to promote their views with it is insulting to any real person interested in the science surrounding an issue. They take scientific-sounding positions about soy, meat, daily, butter, children’s feeding practice and much more and they distort the science, present a one-sided view and confuse the decision making. They and their followers promote a range of irresponsible and potentially dangerous ideas, including:

* Butter and butter oil are “super foods” that contain the “X factor” discovered by Weston Price .
* Glandular organ extracts from animals promote the health and healing of the corresponding human organs.
* Poached brains of animals should be added to other ground meats for better nutrition.
* Raw cow’s milk and meat broth should be fed to newborns who don’t breast-feed, rather than infant formula.
* Regular ingestion of clay (Azomite Mineral Powder) has detoxifying effects because the clay particles remove pathogens from the body.
* There are benefits to feeding sea salt to infants and babies.
* Fruits and vegetables should be limited in children’s diets.

People should not be going to the Weston Price Foundation looking for nutritional guidance. They are not true scientists and neither are their defenders who spew negative and insulting comments here on DiseaseProof . A true scientist tests a theory without a pre-determined agenda and collects, not just the facts favorable to their position, but all the facts. Let’s just outline the argument to reset this discussion, so people can see what the issues are here:

1. The American diet promotes a premature death. Cancer, heart disease, stroke and dementia are the result of nutritional stupidity. Nutritional science has advanced to the point where we can be protected from these common killers. Most adult Americans already have the early (or late) stages of atherosclerosis and the early stages of cancer already, present in their body. It is not sufficient to give them moderately effective advice, derived from short-lived native populations. They need advice that can be counted on to reverse the disease that is present (from the American diet) and prevent a premature death. That is what nutritional excellence is all about and what it is what it is capable of. We can also use science to live longer and healthier than ever before in human history. High micronutrient and high phytochemical eating is life-saving.
2. My nutritional protocols predictable reverse heart disease and atherosclerosis. The dietary guidelines when applied by patients with advanced blockages in their coronary arteries result in the blockages being removed. This is documented not just by symptoms resolving and stress tests, but by coronary CT scans and MR angiograms. Furthermore, my nutritional protocols have enabled hundreds of patients to make dramatic recoveries from autoimmune diseases, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, allergies, asthma, headaches, digestive disturbance and more. The results are supported not just by my experience but by the scientific studies that support the protocols and other doctors who have published similar results and benefits in their patients. High micronutrient eating also removes food-cravings and is the most effective weight-loss strategy.
3. Vitamins and minerals are only a fraction of the micronutrients, needed by humans, as a primate we have requirements for a huge array of protective phytochemicals to achieve cellular normalcy, maximize longevity, and protect against disease. The American diet is now about 60% junk food; 30% animal products; 8% fruits, vegetables, beans, nuts, seeds; and 2% whole grains. To get micronutrients to a high, truly protective levels a much higher percentage of natural plants foods are needed. That means more vegetables, beans, berries and seeds, not more meat, butter and milk. Animal products contain almost no anti-oxidants and no phytochemicals.
4. However both sides agree that this high percentage of junk food (white flour, sweeteners and oils) are not health promoting; except for misguided people promote olive oil as a health food and coconut oil as a health food too. This is a disgrace! All oil is processed food with 120 calories per tablespoon and little micronutrient content. There has never been a study that showed adding more coconut oil or olive oil to a diet resulted in significant health benefits. You could show benefit replacing more dangerous oils, but that is still has nothing to do with nutritional excellence and promoting disease reversal. There are hundreds of studies that remove butter and other saturated fats from the diet and instead use olive oil there is some benefit, but the science is overwhelming and not debatable—that when you use whole raw, high fat plant foods, such as raw seeds and nuts (not the extracted oils) you dramatically reduce sudden cardiac death, heart disease, and all cause mortality. That’s why I do not advocate a “low-fat diet.” Rather I advocate a diet where oils and animal products are reduced as a percent of dietary intake in favor of raw seeds and raw nuts, such as sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, walnuts, pistachio nuts and flax. I recommend replacing most of the oil in one’s diet with raw seeds and nuts. I share great tasting salad dressings, dips and smoothies using these foods in place of oil. By the way, the average American eats over 2,000 calories from oil a week, resulting in lots of extra body fat, but no significant micronutrients or anticancer lignans to show for it.
5. I teach that the 30-35% of intake from Animal products in the American diet is already too high. The Atkins’ followers and the Weston Price crowd think this number is not high enough and recommend a diet with unlimited amounts of animal products encouraging people to think animal products are health foods that should be consumed without limitations. Any way you slice it; that is bad science. The Okinowans eat less than 10 percent of calories from animal products, mostly fish and loads of vegetables. However, we still could improve on what they do!

Atkins and Weston Price devotees are just wrong; promoting bad science is a serious matter, it encourages disease and hurts people. If someone wants to post any well-done human study that shows disease reversal or improved longevity statistics from increasing the percent of animal product intake from 30% and reducing natural plant food like vegetables in favor of meat, please do so. But, this is just too silly to even contemplate. Our diet is deficient in vegetables, not meat. Neither do I present a vegan of vegetarian diet as the best diet or the only option. However, I am very clear that animal products should be reduced to a lower percentage of total dietary intake, and I set the goal around 10% of calories and I modify that up or down based on individual needs and disease risks. The idea that some body types will survive longer or be thinner or healthier on a meat-based, diet richer in animal fats, is also false and has no scientific support.

In summary, Weston Price , Atkins , low-carb or other such supporters if you want to post modern, human studies for me to comment on do so. But otherwise take your nonsense elsewhere, where people are easily fooled by your pseudo-science.

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"The larger the lie the more people believe it." If only more could comprehend this simple fact.

Simple "facts" for simple minds.

[boots]

you dont happen to have this young ladies number do you;):)

ROFL

I was thinking the same thing.:)

It's a pity SOME can get into a discussion with what I, and I think you are saying. That we what to see Raw pure milk from farmers that have a conscious and are doing it the right way..

:mad:

Instead of posting pages and pages to disrupt a flow of conversation.

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[cleft_asunder]

Wow interesting. Looks like Rat has free reign to spam as much as he wants on these forums.

[hunter77]

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This is the route that all peep's should follow IMO:)


No factory farming.

fair play boots. youre right there is absolutley no need for in- humane factory farming or additives in milk.:)

[boots]

QUOTES

"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400 lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!" --Dr Michael Klaper MD

"I no longer recommend dairy products after the age of 2 years. Other calcium sources offer many advantages that dairy products do not have." --Dr. Benjamin Spock

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm[/quote]

Of course you quote from other's that have a vested interest in pushing their beliefs onto other's:rolleyes:

Funny how we have been drinking cow's milk for 8000 year's yet only in the last 200 or so has there been any so called problems with human health which are not just attributed to milk but a whole lot of other factors.

So you fail again Rat.

Veganism is not the be all and end all of human health.:rolleyes:

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Of course you quote from other's that have a vested interest in pushing their beliefs onto other's:rolleyes:

Funny how we have been drinking cow's milk for 8000 year's yet only in the last 200 or so has there been any so called problems with human health which are not just attributed to milk but a whole lot of other factors.

So you fail again Rat.

Veganism is not the be all and end all of human health.:rolleyes:

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But there are so many things we have not recorded concerning health, only the last few centuries have been like that. Take that in account...
Milk good or not, we can't be totally sure I would say..

[boots]

fair play boots. youre right there is absolutley no need for in- humane factory farming or additives in milk.:)

No thats right mate you can see the sensibility in what I'm saying. My hat of to you.:)

All it takes is some lateral thinking and research to come with some sensible alternatives. Instead of being bloody minded like Rat.:rolleyes: and fucking spamming with Loooong cut and paste. Geezz.:(

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[boots]

But there are so many things we have not recorded concerning health, only the last few centuries have been like that. Take that in account...
Milk good or not, we can't be totally sure I would say..

In 8000 years dont you think we would have died out a lot quicker if it was attributed to milk and meat causing health problems.

It is more to do with chemicals and poisons that are everywhere. I mean everywhere on this earth and in the air.

There has been a lot of studies done by archeologist in discovering the health of humans and what they ate. There's your proof.

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In 8000 years dont you think we would have died out a lot quicker if it was attributed to milk and meat causing health problems.

It is more to do with chemicals and poisons that are everywhere. I mean everywhere on this earth and in the air.

There has been a lot of studies done by archeologist in discovering the health of humans and what they ate. There's your proof.

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Our bodies can eat so many things. I also don't need proof what they ate, I don't say you are wrong. ;)
Even if we all be eating the worst foods, the human race still carries on. There will always be populations left.

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Our bodies can eat so many things. I also don't need proof what they ate, I don't say you are wrong. ;)
Even if we all be eating the worst foods, the human race still carries on. There will always be populations left.

You've missed the point. Food and what we ate many years ago has helped man become what he/she is today. Hygiene has been the main factor in the depletion of populations.

Being omnivore's has been very helpful in the growth of mankind.

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[boots]

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/lactoseintolerance/

Even though lactose intolerance is common, it is not a threat to good health. People who have trouble digesting lactose can learn which dairy products and other foods they can eat without discomfort and which ones they should avoid. Many people can enjoy milk, ice cream, and other such products if they eat them in small amounts or eat other food at the same time. Others can use lactase liquid or tablets to help digest the lactose.

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[hunter77]

You've missed the point. Food and what we ate many years ago has helped man become what he/she is today. Hygiene has been the main factor in the depletion of populations.

Being omnivore's has been very helpful in the growth of mankind.

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being omnivorous has helped mankind survive through the ages in all areas of the world ,it just makes evolutionary sense. i hove no problem with someone choosing to boycott animal products for humanitarian reasons. just dont like the fact they try to rubbish the good the omnivourous diet has done for the human race:)

[boots]

Finally! Raw Milk Information You Can Trust!


http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/PasteurPicSM.jpg http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/AutumnCowsSM.jpg http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/MilkBottleAndGlassSM.gif http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/MountainCowSM.jpg http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/QuizzicalBrownCowSM.jpg Want to know more about raw milk? I did, too, but found there was no central place to go for trustworthy information. It's amazing just how much controversy swirls around this simple, but oh, so complex food. The more I researched it, the more fascinated I became.
Some folks claim it's positively deadly. Others liken it to manna from heaven. The truth had to be out there somewhere, and it was, buried under thick layers of half-truths and deliberate misinformation.
I'd often meet intelligent people like yourself with an interest in feeding themselves and their families more healthily. Soon I'd find myself telling them about this remarkably healing food I'd been studying. "Raw milk? That'll kill you!" they'd say.
Well, I've been enjoying raw milk products from organic grass-fed cows for several years and I love them- especially the kefir (http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/kefir_T3.html) I make at home. All the doomsaying and fear mongering just doesn't add up.
So that's where this site comes in. My goal with raw-milk-facts.com is to help dispel the myths that have sprung up around one of Nature's most perfect foods.
I promise to ferret out the science as far from corporate spin as possible to bring you the "raw truth."
Since you've come this far, why not click on some of the links and discover what I did about milk fresh from the cow? You'll be amazed at what you've been missing!



At least there is true out there.:)


http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/

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[boots]

being omnivorous has helped mankind survive through the ages in all areas of the world ,it just makes evolutionary sense. i hove no problem with someone choosing to boycott animal products for humanitarian reasons. just dont like the fact they try to rubbish the good the omnivourous diet has done for the human race:(

Bloody oath.

Mass production has gone to far in all area's of our lives. I can see Veganism becoming the new fad. with it's own pit fall's.

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[hunter77]

Bloody oath.

Mass production has gone to far in all area's of our lives. I can see Veganism becoming the new fad. with it's own pit fall's.

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thats what it is in my opinon the latest fad. i eat a balanced diet of , meat veg, fish and fungi. never had any health problems. get plenty of exercise and feel great:D

[boots]

thats what it is in my opinon the latest fad. i eat a balanced diet of , meat veg, fish and fungi. never had any health problems. get plenty of exercise and feel great:D


Exactly you can do everything in balance, hunt the natural way and get exercise at the same time:)

Take care of nature and it will take care of you.

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[exmicrochipmafia]

Wow interesting. Looks like Rat has free reign to spam as much as he wants on these forums.

As soon as his warning period was up, he's just right back at it again.
Sad....sad...sad

[Ratiocinator]

Finally! Raw Milk Information You Can Trust!


Raw, pasteurized, it does not matter at all:

"So, what is my prescription for good health? In short, it is about
the multiple health benefits of consuming plant-based foods, and the
largely unappreciated health dangers of consuming animal-based foods,
including all types of meat, dairy and eggs. I did not begin with preconceived
ideas, philosophical or otherwise, to prove the worthiness
of plant-based diets. I started at the opposite end of the spectrum: as
a meat-loving dairy farmer in my personal life and an "establishment"
scientist in my professional life. I even used to lament the views of vegetarians
as I taught nutritional biochemistry to pre-med students."

From: The China Study, by Prof. T. Colin Campbell, page 37.

Download the PDF here:

http://www.positivelyfalse.com/media/(nutrition)%20The%20China%20Ctudy.pdf

[exmicrochipmafia]

"If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"

From the bumper sticker on the back of my car.

[element]

"If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"

From the bumper sticker on the back of my car.
LOL
You care so much about it, you apply it to your car? Bwahahah that's desperate:D

[exmicrochipmafia]

LOL
You care so much about it, you apply it to your car? Bwahahah that's desperate:D

It's just a humorous thing, like another one that says "I'm not wearing any pants in case you're interested."

Or

"When they come to take my guns they'll be hot and empty."

[Ratiocinator]

"If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"

Humans are also made out of meat, and so are you.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Humans are also made out of meat, and so are you.

Gotta catch me first.

[hunter77]

Humans are also made out of meat, and so are you.

i think were all aware of that:p

[boots]

Raw, pasteurized, it does not matter at all:

"So, what is my prescription for good health? In short, it is about
the multiple health benefits of consuming plant-based foods, and the
largely unappreciated health dangers of consuming animal-based foods,
including all types of meat, dairy and eggs. I did not begin with preconceived
ideas, philosophical or otherwise, to prove the worthiness
of plant-based diets. I started at the opposite end of the spectrum: as
a meat-loving dairy farmer in my personal life and an "establishment"
scientist in my professional life. I even used to lament the views of vegetarians
as I taught nutritional biochemistry to pre-med students."

From: The China Study, by Prof. T. Colin Campbell, page 37.

Download the PDF here:

http://www.positivelyfalse.com/media/(nutrition)%20The%20China%20Ctudy.pdf (http://www.positivelyfalse.com/media/%28nutrition%29%20The%20China%20Ctudy.pdf)


You obviously dont do your research. To bloody single minded.:rolleyes:

That's typical of some who have letter's after their name. To left brain. Even Icke spoke of this.

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[onourwayto2012]

Milk and health conditions
Australians tend to restrict dairy foods when they try to lose weight, believing them to be fattening. Dairy foods contain saturated fats, which have been associated with increased blood cholesterol levels. However, dairy foods are not a threat to good health if consumed in moderation as part of a well-balanced nutritious diet.

Some research findings include:

Osteoporosis – if milk and milk products are removed from the diet, it can lead to an inadequate intake of calcium. This is of particular concern for women, who have high calcium needs. Calcium deficiency may lead to disorders like osteoporosis (a disease characterised by bone loss).
Colon cancer – recent studies have found that people who regularly eat dairy products have a reduced risk of developing colon cancer.
Blood pressure – research in the US found that a high intake of fruits and vegetables, combined with low fat dairy foods, lowered blood pressure more than fruits and vegetables alone.
Type 2 diabetes – a 10-year study of 3,000 overweight adults found that consuming milk and other milk products instead of refined sugars and carbohydrates may protect overweight young adults from developing type 2 diabetes.

his page has been produced in consultation with, and approved by:

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcattach.nsf/Images/logo-DeakinUni.gif/$File/logo-DeakinUni.gif (javascript:NewWindow("http://www.deakin.edu.au/hbs/ens/"))
(Logo links to further information)

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boots, I tend to enjoy and agree with the majority of your posts....... but not on this thread

[onourwayto2012]

Finally! Raw Milk Information You Can Trust!


http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/PasteurPicSM.jpg http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/AutumnCowsSM.jpg http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/MilkBottleAndGlassSM.gif http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/MountainCowSM.jpg http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/QuizzicalBrownCowSM.jpg Want to know more about raw milk? I did, too, but found there was no central place to go for trustworthy information. It's amazing just how much controversy swirls around this simple, but oh, so complex food. The more I researched it, the more fascinated I became.
Some folks claim it's positively deadly. Others liken it to manna from heaven. The truth had to be out there somewhere, and it was, buried under thick layers of half-truths and deliberate misinformation.
I'd often meet intelligent people like yourself with an interest in feeding themselves and their families more healthily. Soon I'd find myself telling them about this remarkably healing food I'd been studying. "Raw milk? That'll kill you!" they'd say.
Well, I've been enjoying raw milk products from organic grass-fed cows for several years and I love them- especially the kefir (http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/kefir_T3.html) I make at home. All the doomsaying and fear mongering just doesn't add up.
So that's where this site comes in. My goal with raw-milk-facts.com is to help dispel the myths that have sprung up around one of Nature's most perfect foods.
I promise to ferret out the science as far from corporate spin as possible to bring you the "raw truth."
Since you've come this far, why not click on some of the links and discover what I did about milk fresh from the cow? You'll be amazed at what you've been missing!



At least there is true out there.:)


http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/

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Well this the way to go if you choose to drink it.

[pacoquerak]

Don't ever treat milk like a calcium supplement. It is a animal product and has similar properties to meat. The greatest advantage it has is how it is both more safe and more palatable then raw meat. It also has properties which protect our digestive tract and the rest of our body from infection and disease.
A baby cow who drinks from a healthy grass fed cow will be strong and healthy. The same almost holds true for human, but it can't be the bulk of the diet because it is not formulated for us. Various methods of fermenting milk are employed in many places in the world who could likely come to the states and find themselves lactose intolerant.

Keep it raw

[elysiansix]

I haven't been able to drink milk for many years - my finger nails and finger tips literally go septic, my sinuses get blocked and I get urinary tract infections whenever I drink milk.

There's more hormones and drugs in there than there is any benefit - added to all the info about the treatment of cows.

People are introduce to cow's milk early in life as an INROAD to polluting their bodies. Similar to injections - they are looking for any way to contaminate people.

[northern_light]

Dairy is basically processed fat. I have asthma so I am extra sensitive to the mucus it provides. When I used to eat dairy I could usually count the minutes until I would have to cough up slime. Milk = Strong bones is just another lie. You get strong bones by exercise(especially heavy weight training), good amounts of sunlight and not consuming animal protein(leeches calcium).

We do not need cow milk to survive. No cat, dog, giraffe, elephant or monkey milk for that matter. Humans are keeping these gentle creatures as slaves so they can steal their babies' milk. It is ludicrous when you stop and actually think about it.

[boots]

Robert Heaney, MD, John A. Creighton Univesrity Professor in the Department of Medicine at Creighton University, stated the following in his Apr. 19 2000 article "Calcium, Dairy Products, and Osteoporosis," published in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition:
"It is long established and well understood that milk supports growth; thus, it is evident that milk and milk products are good sources of the nutrients needed for bone development and maintenance... Milk products are richer sources of calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, zinc and protein, per unit energy, than the average of other typical foods in an adult diet. As a consequence, a diet devoid of dairy products will often be a poor diet, not just in respect to calcium, but for many other nutrients as well."

Apr. 19, 2000 - Robert Heaney, MD http://milk.procon.org/images/gstar.gifhttp://milk.procon.org/images/gstar.gifhttp://milk.procon.org/images/gstar.gif (http://milk.procon.org/viewsource.asp?ID=003253)
Heidi Kalkwarf, PhD, RD, Associate Professor of Pediatrics at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, stated the following in her Jan. 2003 article "Milk Intake During Childhood and Adolescence, Adult Bone Density, and Osteoporotic Fractures in U.S. Women," published in the American Journal of the College of Nutrition:
"We found that milk intake in childhood and adolescence is associated with increased bone mass and density in adulthood... These findings support efforts to promote a diet containing one or more servings of milk/d [milk per day] for girls during childhood and adolescence to increase bone mass and density in adulthood and reduce the risk of osteoporotic fracture."

Jan. 2003 - Heidi Kalkwarf, PhD, RD http://milk.procon.org/images/gstar.gifhttp://milk.procon.org/images/gstar.gifhttp://milk.procon.org/images/gstar.gif (http://milk.procon.org/viewsource.asp?ID=003277)


Beneficial BacteriaThrough the process of fermentation, several strains of bacteria naturally present or added later (Lactobacillus, Leuconostoc and Pediococcus, to name a few) can transform milk into an even more digestible food.
With high levels of lactic acid, numerous enzymes and increased vitamin content, 'soured' or fermented dairy products like yogurt and kefir (http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/kefir_T3.html) (made with bacteria and yeast, actually) provide a plethora of health benefits for the savvy people who eat them. Being acid lovers, these helpful little critters make it safely through the stomach's acid environment to reach the intestines where they really begin to work their magic (Above right, Lactobacillus casei).
Down there in the pitch black, some of them make enzymes that help break proteins apart- a real benefit for people with weakened digestion whether it be from age, pharmaceutical side-effects or illness.
Other strains get to work on fats by making lipases that chop triglycerides into useable chunks. Still others take on the milk sugar, lactose, and, using fancy sounding enzymes like beta-galactosidase, glycolase and lactic dehydrogenase (take notes, there'll be a quiz later!), make lactic acid out of it.
As I mentioned way up yonder in the Carbohydrate section, having lactic acid working for you in your nether regions can be a good thing. Remember? It boosts absorption of calcium, iron and phosphorus, breaks up casein into smaller chunks and helps eliminate bad bugs.


So have a think before you ditch it. Some are intolerant to and then you shouldn't drink it.:cool:

IMO raw milk is the way to go from a farmer you can trust.;)

[pinkfreud]

LMAO. i see you're at it again, boots :p

some stamina you and ratiocinator have *chuckles*

love you both. in a twisted* way :D












* not like that, pervs.

[boots]

LMAO. i see you're at it again, boots :p

some stamina you and ratiocinator have *chuckles*

love you both. in a twisted* way :D












* not like that, pervs.

Hey I'm just posting a POV at least I dont look down on other's and think them despicable.:rolleyes:

[pacoquerak]

I feel really bad for the people posting as if all milk contains toxic drugs and hormones. Not all milk is created equal. If you buy milk from the grocery store

IT was died white because of the pus and blood mixed in with it. IF you buy that stuff your pretty much a fucking tool.

Raw real milk on the other hand...is a totally different animal, even if you don't think that is good for you either

it sure is a fuckload better than soy

[boots]

I feel really bad for the people posting as if all milk contains toxic drugs and hormones. Not all milk is created equal. If you buy milk from the grocery store

IT was died white because of the pus and blood mixed in with it. IF you buy that stuff your pretty much a fucking tool.

Raw real milk on the other hand...is a totally different animal, even if you don't think that is good for you either

it sure is a fuckload better than soy


I agree I had a cow and milked her ever morning after the calf had his fill. There was heaps left over for the family, but not much cream, as the calf drank that lol.

It had the consistence of water and was very refreshing to drink. There is disinformation stating that it leeches calcium from the bones. This is not true as it is excessive amount's of salt which does that, and the lack of exercise.

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[gaias child]

People once over the age of three do not produce the enzyme rennin to digest dairy raw or not, it has casein in it.

Dairy is associated with so many health problems from asthma and making some autistic people worse. Some people even recover from autism by following a casein free gluten free diet.

[boots]

protein-digesting enzyme (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/498176/rennin#) that curdles milk (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/382463/milk) by transforming caseinogen into insoluble casein; it is found only in the fourth stomach of cud-chewing animals, such as cows. Its action extends the period in which milk is retained in the stomach of the young animal. In animals that lack rennin, milk is coagulated by the action of pepsin (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/450873/pepsin), as is the case in humans. A commercial form of rennin, rennet (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/498168/rennet), is used in manufacturing cheese and preparing junket.

[pacoquerak]

wow is that really true that casein is only made with rennin?

if that is true... the mother fuckers

either way, fermenting milk the right way with all different kinds of cultures increases the digestibility greatly. Piima and Kefir for the win!

[smariot]

There is disinformation stating that it leeches calcium from the bones.

Lets take some statements I don't think anyone would disagree with.


Protein is made of amino acids.
Amino acids are acidic.
Calcium is alkaline.
Mixing something acidic with something alkaline creates salt and water.
Your kidneys remove excess salt.


From there, here are what I think are pretty reasonable assumptions:

Eating too much protein would make your body acidic.
Your body would then neutralize the acid using calcium, creating salt in the process.
Your kidneys then need to remove the excess salt, removing the calcium it was made from in the process.
Therefore, too much protein results in calcium loss.


Bonus assumption:


Too much salt or too little water will cause crystals to form, creating kidney stones.
Kidney stones are made primarily out of calcium.
Table salt doesn't contain calcium.
Therefore, kidney stones are made out of salt created by your body while neutralizing acids, and not table salt.

[smariot]

wow is that really true that casein is only made with rennin?

Casein is a protein found in milk. Rennet/rennin is an enzyme created in the stomachs of calves so they can digest the milk.

Cheese can be made with rennet, to curdle the milk.

Casein and whey aren't vegan, but might be considered vegetarian. Rennet however isn't even vegetarian.

Cheese made with rennet naturally requires killing the calf to get it.

Marshmallows and jello are made from gelatin, which is made by boiling connective tissue, which of course requires killing something.

Orange juice fortified with omega 3 contains fish oil. Can't get the oil without killing the fish.

Canned cherries of course aren't naturally that red, and would pale over time. Some are made red with cochineal, which is made out of insects.

And the vegetable soup... is made with beef broth. Similarly, the pea soup is made with pig lard.

[smariot]

My pet peeve: Soy cheese that contains casein.

A lactose intolerant person can eat cheese, as the bacteria used to make it will consume all the lactose (a type of sugar) from it.

A vegetarian wouldn't have any problem eating cheese.

A vegan won't eat the soy cheese because it contains casein.

So who the hell are they trying to sell it to?