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[eternal_spirit]

Are you ready for the smoking ban?


Soon there'll be no hiding place for smokers with a smoking ban in public places in England in force from 1 July. However, despite the majority of smokers saying they would like to quit, many of them are still unsure what the ban will entail. We look at the impact the ban will have and find out the best ways of quitting a habit that's getting harder and harder to enjoy.

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Smokers, now so often forced to huddle outside offices and homes, will find even less places where their habit's welcome from July 1. That's when the English public smoking ban comes into effect, banning smokers from having a drag in pubs, cafes, clubs and restaurants and a host of other places that will become smoke-free zones.

The ban already exists in Scotland and Wales and making it UK wide is predicted, by the Department of Health, to provoke up to 600,000 people to attempt quitting for good. Millions more would like to join them - at least 70% of the UK's 12 million smokers would like to kick the habit - but are daunted by the difficulty of kicking the weed.

Methods for quitting (http://netdoctor.msn.co.uk/uk/msn/articles/smoking/quitmethods_000505.shtml)

Smokers need support to succeed according to Jennifer Percival, head of the Royal College of Nursing Tobacco Education project and author of You Can Stop Smoking, a self-help guide to overcoming the habit. She says: "Smoking is extremely difficult to give up and people shouldn't feel bad about themselves or failures if they struggle with it.

"Nicotine is as addictive as heroin or cocaine, and so the cycle of addiction can be difficult to break. Most people try five or six times to quit before they succeed."

From MSN Money: how the ban won't kill the pub trade (http://money.uk.msn.com/investing/articles/nicklouth/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5294361)

Percival points out that those using nicotine replacement therapy products - such as patches, gum, or inhalators which mimic cigarettes - and getting support, are four times more likely to quit than those simply going cold turkey.

She says: "Nicotine replacement therapy is no magic cure but combined with willpower and support maybe from a group or even a sympathetic friend it can significantly help you overcome your desire to smoke."

Nicotine and withdrawal symptoms (http://netdoctor.msn.co.uk/uk/msn/articles/smoking/withdrawalsymptoms_000507.shtml)

Percival also counters the two major reasons people give for smoking - that it aids concentration and helps reduce stress. "The reality is that smokers experience higher levels of stress than non-smokers. After stopping, the level of stress in ex-smokers drops noticeably.

"And although many people believe smoking helps them clear their thoughts and concentrate, research shows that nicotine does not enhance a smoker's performance level above that of a non-smoker's."

Medicines to help you quit (http://netdoctor.msn.co.uk/uk/msn/articles/smoking/medicines_000500.shtml)

Follow these tips and advice from the experts to help you quit.



Reasons to quit

According to the British Heart Foundation, one in five people will die from smoking and annually there are 114,000 deaths of smokers in the UK.

Over the past 50 years smoking has killed 6.3 million Britons - the equivalent of the population of London.

Most risks from smoking come with the first few cigarettes of the day. Just one cigarette triples the risk of lung cancer, while a five-a-day habit increases a woman's risk of dying of lung cancer fivefold.

It's worth quitting. Within 10 to 15 years of giving up smoking, an ex-smoker's risk of developing lung cancer is only slightly greater than that of a non-smoker, according to statistics from ASH.

If you ditch a 20-a-day habit you'll now find an extra £35.50 in your wallet every week, which adds up to £152 a month or £1,825 a year.
What you gain when you quit (http://netdoctor.msn.co.uk/uk/msn/articles/smoking/whatyougain_000502.shtml)





What type of smoker are you?

Light smokers have fewer than 10 cigarettes a day, or only smoke in certain situations - while socialising or when stressed.
Heavy Smokers light up more than 15 to 20 times a day and see smoking as an integral part of life.
Test: are you addicted to nicotine? (http://specials.uk.msn.com/HEALTH/SS_HowHealthyLifestyle.aspx)



What can I do?

Check out the condition of your lungs, it could boost your desire to stop!

Take a free 'smokelyser' test at Boots to measure the level of carbon monoxide in your lungs. Carbon monoxide thickens and clots blood, which can cause a heart attack or stroke. Test three months after quitting to see the difference.

Boots also offers, from June 20, a free lung age test, measuring the 'real' age of lungs.

Set a quit date and prepare for it by getting guidance on how to give up. Visit your GP, or visit the NHS website: www.gosmokefree.co.uk (http://www.gosmokefree.co.uk/). Seek advice from helplines such as NHS Stop Smoking Service: 0800 169 0169 or the Quitline: 0800 00 22 00.

Boots, alongside charity Quit, offers a personalised quitting plan, with the charity's stop smoking counsellors giving further support.
The phases of quitting (http://netdoctor.msn.co.uk/uk/msn/articles/smoking/quitphases_000504.shtml)



What can help?
Nicotine patches as a once-a-day solution are most suitable for smokers who have a regular pattern of smoking. They release a steady dose of nicotine into the bloodstream via the skin. They come in three strengths to allow users to reduce the dose when they're ready. "In general, people who smoke 10 cigarettes or more a day should start with the highest dose patch," Percival says. A week's supply costs around £15, but they may be available on prescription.

Nicotine nasal spray is the strongest form of NRT available. "It's especially suitable for heavy and highly addicted smokers as it is absorbed faster than any other NRT", Percival explains. It's recommended for those who smoke more than 20 cigarettes a day or light up within 30 minutes of waking. It costs around £21 for one spray.

The social and psychological influences (http://netdoctor.msn.co.uk/uk/msn/articles/smoking/psychologicalinfluences_000509.shtml)

Nicotine gum "lets you control your nicotine dose yourself", Percival says. It comes in two strengths,the 2mg gum for those who smoke 20 cigarettes or fewer a day, and 4mg for those who smoke more than 20 a day. Most people use 10-15 pieces of gum daily for at least the first 12 weeks. A pack of 24 costs around £4.

A new therapy, IQS (I Quit Smoking) from America, has just launched in the UK, and involves having electrical stimulation applied to the earlobe. It's claimed this releases endorphins that help reduce nicotine cravings.

Top tips for quitting (http://netdoctor.msn.co.uk/uk/msn/articles/smoking/quittips_000506.shtml)

It's aimed at those who smoke over 15 cigarettes a day, and have smoked for over eight years. It costs £399 and includes four treatment sessions, and six months helpline/follow up support at five London clinics, with another opening shortly in Birmingham. IQS also offers a money back guarantee if the treatment fails to work over six months. For more information call 0800 107 5877 or visit www.iqs.uk.com (http://www.iqs.uk.com/)

Nicotine microtab is a small white tablet that dissolves allowing the mouth to absorb the nicotine. It should be taken for 12 weeks. It's around £16 for a pack of 100 tablets.

How to keep your weight down when you quit (http://netdoctor.msn.co.uk/uk/msn/articles/smoking/weight_000503.shtml)

Nicotine inhalators are plastic devices shaped like a cigarette with a nicotine cartridge fitted into it. "It's held like a cigarette so it's suitable for people who miss the habit of holding and handling a cigarette," Percival says. It's around £6 for a starter pack.



How to avoid temptation

Keep busy, go for a walk or start a new project.

Change your routine, and avoid shops where you usually bought cigarettes.

Research shows that you are four times more likely to quit if you let people around you know and gain their support.

Wear a commitment ring, which costs £1 from Boots and proceeds go to the Quit charity.

When your desire for a cigarette is intense, clean your teeth or wash your hands to reinforce how pleasant it is not to smell of smoke.

If you miss having something in your mouth, try a toothpick, carrot and celery sticks.

Never allow yourself to think that 'one won't hurt' - it will. It's the slippery slope.

[lookfar]

Yeah how bloody annoying :mad: Yet another way to curb our so called freedom - what a load of bollox!!

I work for a tobacco company & the ban won't stop me smoking, probably quite the opposite, lol!! :D

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[eternal_spirit]

4 smokes 4 coffees 4 toast that's my breakfast. :D I'll not be stopping. I don't mind standing outside if I'm at someones home. I need a smoking sign for my home saying no none smoking here.

[auron]

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I wonder where all those ashtrays will go?

[lookfar]

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I wonder where all those ashtrays will go?

Hehe probably outside so that they can dose us with more chemmies & shit at the same time, lol!! I usually smoke outside anyway, so won't make much difference to me.

[friendsinthesky]

Are you ready for the smoking ban?
Soon there'll be no hiding place for smokers with a smoking ban in public places in England in force from 1 July.


Well, that same ban has occured here in Australia TODAY. What I find amusing, is that the media are saying thousands are lining up to quit! Well, the sleep'ers need a ban imposed on them to quit do they.lol

[whitenight639]

i think the smoke stops there chemmies working as well on us, i dont know anyone that smokes thats ill or had cancer, and everyone that has been ill has been a non smoker.

[falseflag]

i think the smoke stops there chemmies working as well on us.

Just heard Alan Watt suggest the same thing.

[whitenight639]

Just heard Alan Watt suggest the same thing.

really? hmm im not the only one then.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

lol

[emtec]

i think the smoke stops there chemmies working as well on us, i dont know anyone that smokes thats ill or had cancer, and everyone that has been ill has been a non smoker.

Try visiting a cancer ward.

[auron]

http://www.badongo.com/t/a/783128

[andytheashton]

I'm a smoker, and I am against the ban.

It isn't going outside to do it, as I've been doing that for years in work, it's the fact that a gang of idiot politicians are giving us a pat on the head and telling us what choices we should be making in life.

One thing that did occur to me though is the power of alcohol.

So many non-smokers have been moaning about coming home from the pub for years stinking of tobacco smoke, yet they still always went there.

So many smokers, like me, will go outside the pub to carry on smoking.

None of us stop to consider that alcohol has such a hold on us that we will not stop going to these places whether it ruins our day/night or not.

[2013]

http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/lungcancer.html

found this link on a site from another thread
cant be that the government is telling us what to do seeing as they are so anti fascist and wanting to protect our freedoms etc .:D

[splinterg]

Seems to me they are clearing the smoke so people may be attracted to closed off venues..saw an avdert at a bus stop this afternoon with a picture of a closed door and the words..Smoking Ban July 1st..The Great Indoors..

Maybe they should start selling smokes from the back of a van just to make sure its kept outside

I also crave a smoke from time to time but it bothers me not that I cannot go into a pub and blaze up..from my awareness my smoking habit has been kept from public life anyway..Regardless of all this..it is a breach of one's free will to do what he/she wants to do..this Im against..I dont want to get caught up in the passive smoking non smokers point of view argument..I leave that for Bill Hicks Ra rest his soul

[whitenight639]

Try visiting a cancer ward.

try watching your mouth, what experience of cancer wards do you have?

[splinterg]

try watching your mouth, what experience of cancer wards do you have?

Which is why Im trying to quit .. having been both a non smoker and a smoker I will say what I see .. Just recently a relative died of lung cancer..so rest your mind

[whitenight639]

Which is why Im trying to quit .. having been both a non smoker and a smoker I will say what I see .. Just recently a relative died of lung cancer..so rest your mind

yer because the media lies to us all we can do is go on our own perceptions, hench my previous post about not knowing anyone personly that has cancer as a result of smoking.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

I'm a smoker, and I am against the ban.

It isn't going outside to do it, as I've been doing that for years in work, it's the fact that a gang of idiot politicians are giving us a pat on the head and telling us what choices we should be making in life.

One thing that did occur to me though is the power of alcohol.

So many non-smokers have been moaning about coming home from the pub for years stinking of tobacco smoke, yet they still always went there.

So many smokers, like me, will go outside the pub to carry on smoking.

None of us stop to consider that alcohol has such a hold on us that we will not stop going to these places whether it ruins our day/night or not.

It's not just pubs though. It's everywhere from cafes to restaurants and the smoking ban had been one of the best things to happen in a long time (already had it in sweden for 2 years).

Now I don't have to sit in a restaurant wondering if some selfish smoker is going to light up while i am eating dinner. I don't have to worry about which places I take my kids to or scour around for the rare non smoking restaurant. I can enjoy social night outs with my mates without coming back reeking of tobacco smoke. And yes, I did pretty much boycott pubs and clubs because of this.

What makes me laugh about smokers going on about freedom is the freedom they fail to give themselves and others. There is no freedom from fag smoke in public as it only takes one person to do it and it sets of a chain reaction.

Smokers are a slave to nicotine, yet they throw the word "freedom" around like a wrestler in the ring. There's no less freedom than having to wake up in the morning and the first thing you do is get a cigarette out :D yeah, freedom man. Of coming off the train and lighting up as soon as the doors open. I feel sorry for your idea of "FREEDOM".

Smokers had their "freedom" to light up wherever they wanted and whenever they wanted until it became unacceptable to light up in places like public transport and cinemas but that didn't stop you giving a fuck about a non smokers freedom to not have it inflicted on us at every other public establishment.

Yes, as a non smoker we have the freedom to walk away and too many times I had to exercise that right so I didn't have to stink or get headaches from the smell. Some freedom that is when you have to finish a dinner in a restaurant because of it.

I bet most of you would be the first to complain at me exercising my right to fart in your vacinity

[reptilianshapeshifter]

I'm a smoker, and I am against the ban.

It isn't going outside to do it, as I've been doing that for years in work, it's the fact that a gang of idiot politicians are giving us a pat on the head and telling us what choices we should be making in life.

One thing that did occur to me though is the power of alcohol.

So many non-smokers have been moaning about coming home from the pub for years stinking of tobacco smoke, yet they still always went there.

So many smokers, like me, will go outside the pub to carry on smoking.

None of us stop to consider that alcohol has such a hold on us that we will not stop going to these places whether it ruins our day/night or not.

It's not just pubs though. It's everywhere from cafes to restaurants and the smoking ban had been one of the best things to happen in a long time (already had it in sweden for 2 years).

Now I don't have to sit in a restaurant wondering if some selfish smoker is going to light up while i am eating dinner. I don't have to worry about which places I take my kids to or scour around for the rare non smoking restaurant. I can enjoy social night outs with my mates without coming back reeking of tobacco smoke. And yes, I did pretty much boycott pubs and clubs because of this.

What makes me laugh about smokers going on about freedom is the freedom they fail to give themselves and others. There is no freedom from fag smoke in public as it only takes one person to do it and it sets of a chain reaction.

Smokers are a slave to nicotine, yet they throw the word "freedom" around like a wrestler in the ring. There's no less freedom than having to wake up in the morning and the first thing you do is get a cigarette out :D yeah, freedom man. Of coming off the train and lighting up as soon as the doors open. I feel sorry for your idea of "FREEDOM".

Smokers had their "freedom" to light up wherever they wanted and whenever they wanted until it became unacceptable to light up in places like public transport and cinemas but that didn't stop you giving a fuck about a non smokers freedom to not have it inflicted on us at every other public establishment.

Yes, as a non smoker we have the freedom to walk away and too many times I had to exercise that right so I didn't have to stink or get headaches from the smell. Some freedom that is when you have to finish a dinner in a restaurant because of it.

I bet most of you pro smokers would be the first to complain at me exercising my right to fart in your vicinity every 30 minutes.:D

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Try visiting a cancer ward.

pff, and did your "doctors" and "science" tell you that:D

[bicycle]

Smoking has got to be one of the most idiotic things one can do, lets hope they ban cars next:D

Car Crashes Kill 400 Times
More Than Terrorism
6-30-7

Car crashes kill 400 times more people than international terrorism does in developed countries

The death toll from car crashes in developed countries is almost 400 times greater than the number of deaths caused by international terrorism, reports a study in the latest issue of Injury Prevention.

In 2001 as many people died every 26 days on US roads as died in the terrorist bombings of 9/11, the study shows.

http://rense.com/general77/carcr.htm

[straycat]

Was thinking on this the other day, more along the line of native americans and peace pipes.
Some people will try and tell you they used dope of some kind or another. But I remember talking with a elderly Cherokee who brought up the subject one day and said it was always Tabacco, no reason why just that it was.

Tradition? Quite possible because the smoke may drive away spirts or entities?
The only lizzard over here that smokes is Clinton and well he is just a half breed anyway. Bet he dont do it when with the Bush's.

[dana2801]

Well, that same ban has occured here in Australia TODAY. What I find amusing, is that the media are saying thousands are lining up to quit! Well, the sleep'ers need a ban imposed on them to quit do they.lol


The full bans started in Queensland 12mths ago with a 2year lead in period (to soften the blow HUH!) Doesnt appear to have cut back the smoking population here.. Just hear more grumbling outside venues from non-smokers walking through the smoke wall LOL

[whitenight639]

The full bans started in Queensland 12mths ago with a 2year lead in period (to soften the blow HUH!) Doesnt appear to have cut back the smoking population here.. Just hear more grumbling outside venues from non-smokers walking through the smoke wall LOL

dont know if you've ever had stars in there eyes on australian tv but tonight mathew im going to be.. lol

[ashyr]

NZ has had a ban on Smoking in bars, and establishments for as long as i can see.
i remmeber the day they said it was OMG u guys all apose it yet you all dont stand up or resist. iremembr the pub i was at. they all DIDNT smoke becausee the priminister said not to. that was such a AWAKENING point in my life. its like. shit the police arnt going to come. the priminister aint going to come. why doesnt everyone just continue. oh no no . the fear. they all snap and enfoce this new law. i rememebr saying fuck this bullshit. the cops ahahha arrest me for smoking i would lvoe to see it. tryed to have a smoke in the bar. oh no no no 10 patrons giving me the classic prison theroist.

you cant smoke in here. well only because we cant. im like fuckn wake up you can if u want. jesus. dont be so RETARDED> what was this like the matrix and all there CORTEX"s just got updated in a second they switch to . MUST NOT LET PEOPLE SMOKE IN THE BAR> fuck it was scarey. just like many movies depicted the ROBOT REVOLUTION would work.

[whitenight639]

I know what you mean in my local in the middle of butt fuck nowhere the landlord was like ahh we'll still smoke bollocks to the ban but i bet if i go in saturday he'll be standing outside like a sheeple.


NZ has had a ban on Smoking in bars, and establishments for as long as i can see.
i remmeber the day they said it was OMG u guys all apose it yet you all dont stand up or resist. iremembr the pub i was at. they all DIDNT smoke becausee the priminister said not to. that was such a AWAKENING point in my life. its like. shit the police arnt going to come. the priminister aint going to come. why doesnt everyone just continue. oh no no . the fear. they all snap and enfoce this new law. i rememebr saying fuck this bullshit. the cops ahahha arrest me for smoking i would lvoe to see it. tryed to have a smoke in the bar. oh no no no 10 patrons giving me the classic prison theroist.

you cant smoke in here. well only because we cant. im like fuckn wake up you can if u want. jesus. dont be so RETARDED> what was this like the matrix and all there CORTEX"s just got updated in a second they switch to . MUST NOT LET PEOPLE SMOKE IN THE BAR> fuck it was scarey. just like many movies depicted the ROBOT REVOLUTION would work.

[truthsayer]

I am a non-smoker and I do not like the way this ban, everything around it is so big brother and nanny state.

I can see a need for a ban of sorts, becuase there are many ignorant smokers towards non-smokers. I am all for choice, but I choose not to smoke and don't like being penalised by smokers in their treatment towards me, because I made that choice, equally I don't like the way smokers are treated because they choose to smoke. Either way, I believe we each have the right to choose; to smoke or not to smoke it should be our choice to make.

It makes you wonder how far they will keep going on telling us off (and banning and penalising us) for the choices we make for not fitting in with their agenda.

[stikmata]

Smokers are a slave to nicotine, yet they throw the word "freedom" around like a wrestler in the ring. There's no less freedom than having to wake up in the morning and the first thing you do is get a cigarette out :D yeah, freedom man. Of coming off the train and lighting up as soon as the doors open. I feel sorry for your idea of "FREEDOM".



worth repeating, IMO.

It's a difficult fact to face... but noone CHOOSES to become a smoker. When you first start you think you'll be the one to quit whenever he/she wants because it's gross and you don't REALLY like it anyway.
*sigh*

[emtec]

try watching your mouth, what experience of cancer wards do you have?

People who smoke are more likely to die of cancer. Just because you dont know anyone that has it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

My try visiting a cancer ward was a serious suggestion your try watching your mouth was just nasty.

[emtec]

People are talking about freedom and right to choose. Why should none smokers be forced to smoke other peoples secondhand smoke?

[thunda]

People are talking about freedom and right to choose. Why should none smokers be forced to smoke other peoples secondhand smoke?

Your not .. walk away .. :)

Nah, seriously, most smokers are ignorant retards who don't give a damn about non-smokers around them. I personally, as a smoker, don't really care about the ban as I only go to a pub once a month for about 2 hours - I can last that long - so its not going to effect me much.

But it isn't about "smokers" vs "non-smokers" .. its once more about divide and conquer. Set two groups of people against each other and watch in glee as they fight and ignore the real shit thats going on.

The amount of arguing and bitching I've seen on forums this last two weeks is amazing - and then, lo and behold, throw some "terrorist" attacks into the mix aswell .. that will fuck the smokers off even more when some mad-crazy terrorists are trying to blow them up while they are stood having a ciggie

Seriously, smoker or non-smoker - its not the ciggie smoke we have to look through -its the smoke and mirrors that are all around us that we have to see past ..

[auron]

I think people should be more concerned about the chemtrails in our skies, the fumes cars produce etc, than second hand smoke.

[Anders Lindman]

If you smoke, be sure you smoke cigarettes without filter. The filter is cancerous to the max. It's not tobacco that causes cancer, it's the filters. We have a similar thing with skin cancer. It's not the sun that causes skin cancer, it's the so-called 'protective' sun lotions that cause skin cancer.

[thunda]

Auron : I think most people on here would be - but unfortunately to the masses, that stuff isn't really blasted across the front page of The Sun or headlined on the News at Six ... so its not important to them ..

[auron]

Auron : I think most people on here would be - but unfortunately to the masses, that stuff isn't really blasted across the front page of The Sun or headlined on the News at Six ... so its not important to them ..
So true mate. Hopefully though, all that will change within the next couple of years.

[redhead]

At first they came for the smokers, but i was'nt a smoker so i did'nt speak out
Then they came for the big car owners, but i did'nt own a big car so i did'nt speak out
Then they came for the fat people, but im not fat so i did'nt speak out
Then they started to microchip the elderly, but im not old so i did'nt speak out
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Dangerous path we're sleepwalking down folks.

PEACE

RED

[redhead]

Heres a intresting article by the late, great Joe Viallis basicly saying that smoking protects your lungs, and the only reason they blame cancer on smoking is that they needed something to blame all the deaths on after they dropped the bombs on Japan and people were dieing from the radioactive fallout years later, hence smoking causes cancer..........er no dropping bombs packed with radioactive material causes cancer.

Anyway heres the link.....

http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/smoking.html

[thunda]

I always find it amazing (or maybe not) that my non-smoking friends and family are always coming down with this ailment or that ailment - laid up in bed for days with bad colds and flu, aches and pains and all manner of 'little' things that get people down ..

.. while there I am happilly smoking away without ever being ill or any way laid low in any way shape or form .. In fact, I've had 3 colds in the 20 years since I started smoking ... all during a 10 month period when I had stopped ..

Ok, it may catch me up in later life .. but it certainly makes you think.

[eternal_spirit]

I always find it amazing (or maybe not) that my non-smoking friends and family are always coming down with this ailment or that ailment - laid up in bed for days with bad colds and flu, aches and pains and all manner of 'little' things that get people down ..

.. while there I am happilly smoking away without ever being ill or any way laid low in any way shape or form .. In fact, I've had 3 colds in the 20 years since I started smoking ... all during a 10 month period when I had stopped ..

Ok, it may catch me up in later life .. but it certainly makes you think.

Yes, I've noticed this how smokers rarely get sick. Like the site from the link above. A smoking ghost would be something. :D caught on film.

[auron]

Heres a intresting article by the late, great Joe Viallis basicly saying that smoking protects your lungs, and the only reason they blame cancer on smoking is that they needed something to blame all the deaths on after they dropped the bombs on Japan and people were dieing from the radioactive fallout years later, hence smoking causes cancer..........er no dropping bombs packed with radioactive material causes cancer.

Anyway heres the link.....

http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/smoking.html
Thanks for that mate! Great article.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5070/smoke20lotsnr2.gif

[thunda]

Aaah .. a smoking ghost .. that would be something .. Mind you tho - you'd have to tell the ghost to put the ciggie out before you got a photo of it - too many times ciggie smoke is caught on camera and becomes the 'explanation'.

[auron]

http://www.erowid.org/culture/art/artists_f/images/archive/funnypokemon_caveexpedition.jpg

[garth]

Happened in Queensland a year ago, pain in the butt (pun intended:D) we even have little Neo Nazi's running round here fining people for smoking to close to the shopping center doorway..FFS..then you have the media which pumps out this dis information about smoking non stop..blah blah blah....

but what's worse IMO is now you guys are going to have to endure more criticism from the general non smoking public who believe it is there right to inform you that smoking is bad or some other unfounded drivel..see here for more http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2225

Just another step in the totalitarian tiptoe..:eek:

BTW Joe Vialls was a great man, He was Iced by the loomies...proof that he knew a thing or to

[reptilianshapeshifter]

you guys really are the kings of spin:D not content with being a slave to something or the fact you support major illuminati companies day in day out you find a way to pretend inhaling 4,000 different "illuminati" chemicals is actually good for you :D

priceless.

[auron]

I'll admit it, those fucks have me hook line and sinker. :D

[pumma]

Anyway heres the link.....

http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/smoking.html
I like this one...
Rather than shy away from smokers in your local pub or club, get as close as you can and breathe in their expensive second-hand smoke. Go on, don’t be shy, suck in a few giant breaths. Or perhaps you could smoke one cigarette or small cigar after each meal, just three a day to build up a thin boundary mucous layer. If you cannot or will not do either of the above, consider phoning Michael Jackson to ask for a spare surgical mask!
To smoke or not to smoke... :p

p.s. I don't smoke

[auron]

I'd quit smoking, but then i wouldn't be able to enjoy a good smoke.

IN DENIAL AND PROUD.

[hagbard_celine]

Patients at my hospital have been banned from smoking since they shut down the smoke rooms and as a result every toilet is now a secret smoke room! the one difference is that smoke rooms don't have bins full of toilet paper to catch fire!

What's wrong with giving people designated smoking areas? It doesn't harm anyone outside those areas. If you don't smoke and don't want to breathe others' fumes then don't go into the room... Duh?

I don't smoke and I never have, but that's because I chose not to. I feel very different about being told I can't. I'm being treated like a little kid at school, rather than a mature adult with the right to make my own decisions over my lifestyle.

[emtec]

Patients at my hospital have been banned from smoking since they shut down the smoke rooms and as a result every toilet is now a secret smoke room! the one difference is that smoke rooms don't have bins full of toilet paper to catch fire!

What's wrong with giving people designated smoking areas? It doesn't harm anyone outside those areas. If you don't smoke and don't want to breathe others' fumes then don't go into the room... Duh?

I don't smoke and I never have, but that's because I chose not to. I feel very different about being told I can't. I'm being treated like a little kid at school, rather than a mature adult with the right to make my own decisions over my lifestyle.

Nobody said you cant smoke only others shouldn't be forced to breath in the secondhand smoke, deal with the real issue. As for the well leave the building argument, how about a good fart or a nice sloppy shit? Would you drop it on the bar or would you go somewhere else?

I am a smoker and i am with the ban. There is no reason why my habit should affect others life and health there is not excuse.

Why should my choice to smoke override other choice to not too in public places?

[auron]

http://home.comcast.net/~hypno-therapy/smoking3.jpg

So smoking causes impotence? Good! Another reason not to quit! :D

[reptilianshapeshifter]

theres one i can agree with :D

[auron]

http://bureaucrash.com/system/files/images/Smoking+Is+Healthier+Than+Fascism+800+x+600.previe w.gif

[auron]

Then again... If i ever got this bad.. I'd seriously consider stopping smoking :D

http://www.bofunk.com/media/images/no_smoking.jpg

[texdallas]

For those out there concerned about cancer read on:--

G. Edward Griffin marshals the evidence that cancer is a deficiency disease – like scurvy or pellagra – aggravated by the lack of an essential food compound in modern man's diet. That substance is vitamin B17. In its purified form developed for cancer therapy, it is known as Laetrile.

This story is not approved by orthodox medicine. The FDA, the AMA, and The American Cancer Society have labeled it fraud and quackery. Yet the evidence is clear that here, at last, is the final answer to the cancer riddle.

Why has orthodox medicine waged war against this non-drug approach? The author contends that the answer is to be found, not in science, but in politics – and is based upon the hidden economic and power agenda of those who dominate the medical establishment.

With billions of dollars spent each year on research, with other billions taken in on the sale of cancer-related drugs, and with fund-raising at an all-time high, there are now more people making a living from cancer than dying from it. If the solution should be found in a simple vitamin, this gigantic industry could be wiped out over night. The result is that the politics of cancer therapy is more complicated than the science.

[texdallas]

http://www.1cure4cancer.com/ (try to ignore the Jesus stuff the content is interesting!)

[auron]

http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/smokers.gif

[lookfar]

I'd quit smoking, but then i wouldn't be able to enjoy a good smoke.

IN DENIAL AND PROUD.

Auron honey, I love your style, hehe!! :cool: :D

[deca]

I went to the crazy scots bar on sunday got drunk and smoked so did every one
else.....fuck there ban......
The word is that the bar will get busted mid week some time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/6246028.stm

[splinterg]

http://home.comcast.net/~hypno-therapy/smoking3.jpg

So smoking causes impotence? Good! Another reason not to quit! :D

lol..top banana..Im sure Bill Hicks is rolling around inside his coffin pissing himself laughing at ur comment..

[Anders Lindman]

If you smoke, be sure you smoke cigarettes without filter. The filter is cancerous to the max. It's not tobacco that causes cancer, it's the filters. We have a similar thing with skin cancer. It's not the sun that causes skin cancer, it's the so-called 'protective' sun lotions that cause skin cancer.

The thing I wrote about cigarette filters being cancerous was just my speculation. But the sun lotions have been described as dangerous by other people, even though I don't know how true it is.

What I did found however, was this: "There is no conclusive scientific evidence that filter cigarettes are less harmful than non-filtered."

From: Cigarette filter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At least that is rather interesting I think.

[hew1]

Your not .. walk away .. :)

Nah, seriously, most smokers are ignorant retards who don't give a damn about non-smokers around them. I personally, as a smoker, don't really care about the ban as I only go to a pub once a month for about 2 hours - I can last that long - so its not going to effect me much.

But it isn't about "smokers" vs "non-smokers" .. its once more about divide and conquer. Set two groups of people against each other and watch in glee as they fight and ignore the real shit thats going on.

The amount of arguing and bitching I've seen on forums this last two weeks is amazing - and then, lo and behold, throw some "terrorist" attacks into the mix aswell .. that will fuck the smokers off even more when some mad-crazy terrorists are trying to blow them up while they are stood having a ciggie

Seriously, smoker or non-smoker - its not the ciggie smoke we have to look through -its the smoke and mirrors that are all around us that we have to see past ..

brilliantly put!

[hew1]

For those out there concerned about cancer read on:--

G. Edward Griffin marshals the evidence that cancer is a deficiency disease – like scurvy or pellagra – aggravated by the lack of an essential food compound in modern man's diet. That substance is vitamin B17. In its purified form developed for cancer therapy, it is known as Laetrile.

This story is not approved by orthodox medicine. The FDA, the AMA, and The American Cancer Society have labeled it fraud and quackery. Yet the evidence is clear that here, at last, is the final answer to the cancer riddle.

Why has orthodox medicine waged war against this non-drug approach? The author contends that the answer is to be found, not in science, but in politics – and is based upon the hidden economic and power agenda of those who dominate the medical establishment.

With billions of dollars spent each year on research, with other billions taken in on the sale of cancer-related drugs, and with fund-raising at an all-time high, there are now more people making a living from cancer than dying from it. If the solution should be found in a simple vitamin, this gigantic industry could be wiped out over night. The result is that the politics of cancer therapy is more complicated than the science.

Got the free dvd from this site DAVE ICKES, A World Without Cancer.I now take a teaspoon full of seasame seeds aday full of vit B17,according to video this vitamin kills off cancer . Im a smoker and hate the ban ,another form of control,but can see a non smokers view on this.Its all about control.

[chattanova]

I always find it amazing (or maybe not) that my non-smoking friends and family are always coming down with this ailment or that ailment - laid up in bed for days with bad colds and flu, aches and pains and all manner of 'little' things that get people down ..

.. while there I am happilly smoking away without ever being ill or any way laid low in any way shape or form .. In fact, I've had 3 colds in the 20 years since I started smoking ... all during a 10 month period when I had stopped ..

Ok, it may catch me up in later life .. but it certainly makes you think.

You're so right. I smoke 10 - 15 every day (rolling tobacco) and I haven't been sick (like in bed) for 11 - 12 years, it's pretty amazing.
I've also just been away from work 3-4 days the last 5 years and compared with mine no smoking friends and colleges ,they haven't a change.:D

Hmmmm...

[phoenixchilde]

Are you guys once again badmouthing something good? One of the few things that the government is doing to help people, and you guys accuse them of doing it for their own interests. I thought you all were here to talk about ways to improve the world, not make it worse.

[thomascovenant]

Aren`t smokers the people who refuse "good" advice?
Aren`t smokers more likely to be drug users or subversives?
Aren`t the gov`t driving us together, outside to smoke?
This could all work against them in the long run.

[whitenight639]

Are you guys once again badmouthing something good? One of the few things that the government is doing to help people, and you guys accuse them of doing it for their own interests. I thought you all were here to talk about ways to improve the world, not make it worse.

how do you know its good? because of the adverts they are showing? i dont know if you have ever imagined a free world where we can smoke whatever we want, in appropriate places (not enclosed public places unless everyone else there was there for that). A world where people can say whatever they like and demonstrate and protest in peace, get equal treatment weather they black white 30 or 83.

[whitenight639]

At first they came for the smokers, but i was'nt a smoker so i did'nt speak out
Then they came for the big car owners, but i did'nt own a big car so i did'nt speak out
Then they came for the fat people, but im not fat so i did'nt speak out
Then they started to microchip the elderly, but im not old so i did'nt speak out
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Dangerous path we're sleepwalking down folks.

PEACE

RED


redhead says it best!

[reptilianshapeshifter]

lol, why would they start microchipping the elderly??? :D Did that just happen to fit the nursery rhyme :D

[auron]

lol, why would they start microchipping the elderly??? :D Did that just happen to fit the nursery rhyme :D


http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/6561/48/

Something from a while back.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/6561/48/

Something from a while back.

never heard anything so ridiculous. I thought it was the kids they were going after. get them at birth.

[Anders Lindman]

never heard anything so ridiculous. I thought it was the kids they were going after. get them at birth.

It's like telling elderly people that they are not humans anymore: "You are an elderly person. You cannot decide for yourself. We, the government, have decided to implant this microchip in you, because, even if you are too demented to understand it yourself, we, the government, will force you to behave, and make sure that you do not run away like confused cattle, so now we are going to implant this chip inside your arm, for you are just like cattle, with no individuality, and no saying, and no rights."

[eternal_spirit]

If you smoke, be sure you smoke cigarettes without filter. The filter is cancerous to the max. It's not tobacco that causes cancer, it's the filters. We have a similar thing with skin cancer. It's not the sun that causes skin cancer, it's the so-called 'protective' sun lotions that cause skin cancer.

Yes, I heard about the filter tips years ago, it's no mentioned much these days. heres a tip on how to enjoy a smoke without a filter tip.....Use hand rolling tobacco, when you've rolled your smoke, take a ciggarette paper break it in half then fold it lenght ways, roll the paper around something like the end out of a clipper lighter( something round and narrow) insert into the end of hand rolled smoke.
This stops the end of the smoke getting brown and stained and it wont rub off onto you're lips, you can roll a wide funnel(roach) to get a bigger hit of smoke or roll a narrow one(less smoke comes through if it's narrow) if the tobacco comes through the end of the smoke push it back in with a prodder( end of a clipper lighter or something round and narrow)

[deca]

Nicotine Metabolite May Improve Memory, Protect Against Disease
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031112072839.htm

[eternal_spirit]

They have to employ smoking wardens to track down and hand out on the spot fines to smokers who stubb one out in the street.
This proves that the police have no time to enforce this ridiculous law. Imagine a policeman walking into a pub and saying hey you over there smoking you're nicked son! then the offender trying to hide the evidence.

There is a pub in Bolton where the landlord is allowing people to smoke. He says if he's fined and goes to Court he will argue his case, stating that he's the Landlord and should have the right to decide wether to allow smoking. But he can't do much if one of his punters get's harrassed by the smoking wardens, that's down to their discretion he says.

[eternal_spirit]

Nicotine Metabolite May Improve Memory, Protect Against Disease
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031112072839.htm

Cheers deca. I've heard many older people say when they wan't to concentrate they have a smoke. These people must know how they feel after 30 to 50 years of smoking, I'd believe them.

My uncle was diagnosed with Alzheimers like condition never smoked in his life, he dropped dead mysteriousley not long after being put on Alzheimers medication, I don't know if it was the medication that killed him. His brother smokes and is all there in the head and has no severe long term smoking related illnesses.

[eternal_spirit]

Okay, I smoke for a few reasons, I'm an addict! and I'm stressed alot so the smoke eases the stress.
I think some smokers will turn to antidepressants etc to combat the stress they'll feel trying to cut down or pack in. The side effects and the addiction to these medications can be far more damaging to health than smoking!
Add to this all the brands of medication which claims to stop you from smoking nicotine patches etc, and the new drugs now being maketed could have unseen side effects in the future( how many times have the so called experts said xyz medication is safe and turned out not to be) It's a choice take the blue pill? or be a smoker?

I don't enjoy cigarrettes with filter tips myself. It took some getting used to rolling my own without filters( was to strong at first) but I do feel better and enjoy a smoke more now. I can smoke 20 to 30 marijuana smokes a day or 60 hand rolled tobacco ones. I feel fine.

[thomascovenant]

Heres what I think; 77% of adults in this country are non-smokers.Bringing in this legislation lants a seed of "caring government" in the minds of over 50 MILLION PEOPLE! its obvious why they would do this, it makes the public more receptive to future gov`t proposals.

Onne other possibility is that they are attempting to remove the ability of people to have a joint.

Either way its scary

[eternal_spirit]

How to be a healthier smoker. Eat lot's of anticarcinogenic food. Lot's of sex to keep the blood pumping through the veins. Cardiovascular exercises. Don't drink alcohol (or cut down)
And most importantly! Don't listen to the none smoking wingers propaganda.,

[thomascovenant]

another possibility is that they are working towards getting rid of pubs.Theyve already spent a lot of effort on "binge drinking" this would be a natural next stage, were that the agenda.This could be to improve their image or it could be to remove peoples ability to meet up in large groups.

[deca]

think they will limit your daily drinking with an ID card....have to get it read before you buy.....sorry you had your 2 drinks today....

Well it might get that bad

yeah I smoke rollies...fags to dear and full of chemical shit.

[eternal_spirit]

another possibility is that they are working towards getting rid of pubs.Theyve already spent a lot of effort on "binge drinking" this would be a natural next stage, were that the agenda.This could be to improve their image or it could be to remove peoples ability to meet up in large groups.

Yes, it's a case of round them up weird something from a local newspaper. What about the good kids who aren't causing any trouble and hanging out socialising with ine another. I guess they'd rather have the kids watching Tv or stkc indoors on the Internet all the time.
New no-go zones to tackle yob gangs
By Stephen Mather (smather@cheshire.newsquest.co.uk)


POLICE will be given powers to disperse gangs of youths under new measures aimed at tackling yob behaviour.
Designated Areas', will be introduced from Monday, July 2 and will be in place for six months. Officers will be able to move young people on, who are congregating in groups of two or more and arrest those who return within 24-hours.
The introduction of Designated Areas' is just one of the tactics employed by police to combat the behaviour of those who are making life difficult for other members of the community.

Patrols will be carried out along with visits to pubs, off licences and schools to educate pupils about the consequences of causing trouble. Neighbourhood Inspector Claire Richards said: "We are not prepared to stand for the anti-social behaviour shown by a minority of young people in the area. It is one of the most common problems facing our communities and we're determined to use every power available to us to stop this behaviour and take action against offenders

[eternal_spirit]

Heres another one if anyone hasn't seen this yet!

New eye in the sky
http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/_images/db/57/13/WS_JPEG_DRONE.571383.full.jpg

A POLICE drone that can monitor people's movements from hundreds of feet in the sky will be used in St Helens as a weapon to tackle yob behaviour and crime.
The 'spy in the sky' that will be employed across the region, uses the same type of camera as those on the force's helicopter and CCTV vans.
Superintendent Rob Carden from St Helens police explained that the drone will be used to monitor crowd control and public disorder.
Police are also considering using the drone, which measures one metre in span and weighs less than a kilo, during firearms situations.
Superintendent Carden said: "It will be used by the Anti-Social Behaviour Team and when they next come to St Helens the drone will be another technical option at their disposal. "It's a flexible resource that will be used when there's a need. If we had problems in a certain area, we would make a bid for the drone. It's where the demand is.

[deca]

when I was a kid a did stupid things that pissed people off I would get a smack soon learned wright from wrong....Not a lesson on how farcical the system is.Last thing you wanted was the police knocking at your
door.....when they left I used to get a clip round the ear.

[thomascovenant]

Shit! thats my area! I must cut down on my firearms incidents :)

[2013]

Heres another one if anyone hasn't seen this yet!

New eye in the sky
http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/_images/db/57/13/WS_JPEG_DRONE.571383.full.jpg

A POLICE drone that can monitor people's movements from hundreds of feet in the sky will be used in St Helens as a weapon to tackle yob behaviour and crime.
The 'spy in the sky' that will be employed across the region, uses the same type of camera as those on the force's helicopter and CCTV vans.
Superintendent Rob Carden from St Helens police explained that the drone will be used to monitor crowd control and public disorder.
Police are also considering using the drone, which measures one metre in span and weighs less than a kilo, during firearms situations.
Superintendent Carden said: "It will be used by the Anti-Social Behaviour Team and when they next come to St Helens the drone will be another technical option at their disposal. "It's a flexible resource that will be used when there's a need. If we had problems in a certain area, we would make a bid for the drone. It's where the demand is.

Ive had reoccuring dream for years of being at my old home in liverpool watching various different flying type drones patrolling the skies long b4 this was brought out i think we wil see lots more different types being brought into use .Then again dreams only show us one possible future
, depends wich path we walk ,and if we walk our talk in the right way we can change it . :D

[texdallas]

we've had the smoking ban in Ireland for about 3 years now and all the pubs have build out door smoking areas basically large scale decking parasol covers and outdoor gas heaters. Give it a few months and it'll be all change in the uk too.

BUT, and it's a big one, smoke covers the smell of farts and BO so sitting in the pub nowadays can and normally is smelly like public toilet smelly enjoy!!

[straycat]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit View Post
Heres another one if anyone hasn't seen this yet!

New eye in the sky


A POLICE drone that can monitor people's movements from hundreds of feet in the sky will be used in St Helens as a weapon to tackle yob behaviour and crime.
The 'spy in the sky' that will be employed across the region, uses the same type of camera as those on the force's helicopter and CCTV vans.
Superintendent Rob Carden from St Helens police explained that the drone will be used to monitor crowd control and public disorder.
Police are also considering using the drone, which measures one metre in span and weighs less than a kilo, during firearms situations.
Superintendent Carden said: "It will be used by the Anti-Social Behaviour Team and when they next come to St Helens the drone will be another technical option at their disposal. "It's a flexible resource that will be used when there's a need. If we had problems in a certain area, we would make a bid for the drone. It's where the demand is.


In Oklahoma we call this a target

[andytheashton]

It's not just pubs though. It's everywhere from cafes to restaurants and the smoking ban had been one of the best things to happen in a long time (already had it in sweden for 2 years).

Now I don't have to sit in a restaurant wondering if some selfish smoker is going to light up while i am eating dinner. I don't have to worry about which places I take my kids to or scour around for the rare non smoking restaurant. I can enjoy social night outs with my mates without coming back reeking of tobacco smoke. And yes, I did pretty much boycott pubs and clubs because of this.

What makes me laugh about smokers going on about freedom is the freedom they fail to give themselves and others. There is no freedom from fag smoke in public as it only takes one person to do it and it sets of a chain reaction.

Smokers are a slave to nicotine, yet they throw the word "freedom" around like a wrestler in the ring. There's no less freedom than having to wake up in the morning and the first thing you do is get a cigarette out :D yeah, freedom man. Of coming off the train and lighting up as soon as the doors open. I feel sorry for your idea of "FREEDOM".

Smokers had their "freedom" to light up wherever they wanted and whenever they wanted until it became unacceptable to light up in places like public transport and cinemas but that didn't stop you giving a fuck about a non smokers freedom to not have it inflicted on us at every other public establishment.

Yes, as a non smoker we have the freedom to walk away and too many times I had to exercise that right so I didn't have to stink or get headaches from the smell. Some freedom that is when you have to finish a dinner in a restaurant because of it.

I bet most of you would be the first to complain at me exercising my right to fart in your vacinity


I think you need to see past your own prejudices here.
I certainly have to when dealing with empty headed non-smokers.

The general public were not consulted properly here, a decision was made FOR us, that is where rights are being infringed.

If I owned a pub or a restaurant, I would like to have the choice to decide if it is smoking or non-smoking, and let my customers decide.

In my younger days I worked in the service industry (pubs, clubs, restautrants etc), and believe me, the 'evils' of smoking (the smell etc) are massively overhyped.

Balance that against the opinions of New Yorkers, including non-smokers, who complain that their bars and restaurants now smell of B.O. and would prefer it the way it used to be!!

If you have a smoking and none-smoking section, it works very well.

There is no compromise here, it is dictatorship, and just because it fits in with something you agree with, you're happy for it to happen.

[eternal_spirit]

I'm trying to figure out what if any sinister reasons hide behind the smoking ban. Is there a hidden agenda?
Like..... could the stop smoking medications be more addictive and more expensive to buy than smoking tobacco. Which may also be used to change a persons brain chemistry and used as a form of mind control.

With the smoking ban of indoor places, is the brotherhood planning on spraying something in the air to affect peoples behaviour and they need a smoke free enviroment for these chemicals to have full affect.

[redhead]

eternal_spirit wrote

I'm trying to figure out what if any sinister reasons hide behind the smoking ban. Is there a hidden agenda?
Like..... could the stop smoking medications be more addictive and more expensive to buy than smoking tobacco. Which may also be used to change a persons brain chemistry and used as a form of mind control.

With the smoking ban of indoor places, is the brotherhood planning on spraying something in the air to affect peoples behaviour and they need a smoke free enviroment for these chemicals to have full affect.


I think you might be onto something there mate, check this article out from my local rag the Coventry Evening Telegraph

A NEW fragrance has replaced the clouds of smoke at a Coventry nightclub.

The scent will be hitting clubbers' noses after being installed at Lava Ignite at the Skydome Arena this week.
Bosses came up with the idea to tie in with the smoking ban as you can imagine that if there are 1,000 people dancing in our club then the smell of body odour and stale beer could be quite strong.

"Initially we came up with the idea because we wanted to add something to the traditional customer experience by offering something based around smell." said Karl Johnson, spokesman for Luminar Leisure.

Could be something, could be nothing but remember folks Aspartame was added to most alcopops/ciders in the last few years and research has shown that alchol with aspartame in it gets you more pissed as the aspartame thins the blood, then they tell us we have a binge drinking culture and everyone gets too pissed...you could'nt make it up, so as you can see they very rarely if ever do anything for our benefit.

PEACE

RED

[eternal_spirit]

eternal_spirit wrote



I think you might be onto something there mate, check this article out from my local rag the Coventry Evening Telegraph

A NEW fragrance has replaced the clouds of smoke at a Coventry nightclub.

The scent will be hitting clubbers' noses after being installed at Lava Ignite at the Skydome Arena this week.
Bosses came up with the idea to tie in with the smoking ban as you can imagine that if there are 1,000 people dancing in our club then the smell of body odour and stale beer could be quite strong.

"Initially we came up with the idea because we wanted to add something to the traditional customer experience by offering something based around smell." said Karl Johnson, spokesman for Luminar Leisure.

Could be something, could be nothing but remember folks Aspartame was added to most alcopops/ciders in the last few years and research has shown that alchol with aspartame in it gets you more pissed as the aspartame thins the blood, then they tell us we have a binge drinking culture and everyone gets too pissed...you could'nt make it up, so as you can see they very rarely if ever do anything for our benefit.

PEACE

RED

Interesting, it's more than likely theres a science behind the effect of smells on the human, ranging from positive to negative. We are used to being manipulated via the eyes and ears.

Deodorants and perfumes, where said to be full of bad chemicals a few years ago. Is this true? Or was it to make people smell of body odours so when the smoking ban comes in, they would welcome fragranted public places and this smell thing will catch on and spread.

[eternal_spirit]

Anyone remember the smellovison a Tv that gives out smells. never seen them hit the shops yet, but most pubs have huge Tv's allready.

[lottie]

It seems to me (although im only 26) that when the 'give up smoking' trend hit in the late 80's, only then did people start moaning about the smell of smoke on their clothes etc, i recall my late grandmother telling me how years ago everyone smoked and no-one complained about it, she said you'd go into cafe's and pubs and it was like a smog throughout....no-one complained then did they? i know it doesnt smell nice to non-smokers but is that because they dont like the temptation if they are reformed smokers or through social conditioning? i mean i dont particularly like the smell but its not that bad, why's everyone so obsessed with smelling of roses all the time? we're a culture that obsesses on being squeaky clean and anti-bacterialised!!!! :rolleyes:
(hasten to add that i do like smelling clean but its not the end of the world if i go to a pub and come home with my clothes stinking of fags! ((and dont get me wrong i shower regularly))!!!lol :D)

[lookfar]

eternal_spirit wrote



I think you might be onto something there mate, check this article out from my local rag the Coventry Evening Telegraph

A NEW fragrance has replaced the clouds of smoke at a Coventry nightclub.

The scent will be hitting clubbers' noses after being installed at Lava Ignite at the Skydome Arena this week.
Bosses came up with the idea to tie in with the smoking ban as you can imagine that if there are 1,000 people dancing in our club then the smell of body odour and stale beer could be quite strong.

"Initially we came up with the idea because we wanted to add something to the traditional customer experience by offering something based around smell." said Karl Johnson, spokesman for Luminar Leisure.

Could be something, could be nothing but remember folks Aspartame was added to most alcopops/ciders in the last few years and research has shown that alchol with aspartame in it gets you more pissed as the aspartame thins the blood, then they tell us we have a binge drinking culture and everyone gets too pissed...you could'nt make it up, so as you can see they very rarely if ever do anything for our benefit.

PEACE

RED

Hi redhead

I find that article quite interesting. Especially as they're trying every which way to dumb us down at the moment, there's no stopping em right now!! Could be innocent, but I reckon there could be something in these new "aromas" that they want to spread about, as well as forcing people outside into the chem-filled air to smoke. Also the company name is interesting too... "Luminar Leisure", hmmm!!:rolleyes:

[2013]

Hi redhead

I find that article quite interesting. Especially as they're trying every which way to dumb us down at the moment, there's no stopping em right now!! Could be innocent, but I reckon there could be something in these new "aromas" that they want to spread about, as well as forcing people outside into the chem-filled air to smoke. Also the company name is interesting too... "Luminar Leisure", hmmm!!:rolleyes:

i noticed that too luminar :eek:anyway tobacco plays an important part in shamanic practices and in new orleans they use it a lot in clearing spirits and demons from places so there has got to be something in that .Then again our dave has been on a major clean up campaign by the looks of the latest newsletter so there is something in the air even if it is only cleaning products ,hope they are all eco friendly .Has anyone else been on a clean up campaign recently ive been doing my second round of spring cleaning and painting everything white as opposed to my usual black or purple . white shows up the nicotine more i suppose my partner smokes and we have an open fire but it wasnt that smokey in herethe white paint work wasnt anywhere as near biege as i remember from childhood home .wandering a bit there need food be back later ,lol:D

[auron]

.Has anyone else been on a clean up campaign recently
I had a shave the other day. Does that count? :D

[splinterg]

Okay, I smoke for a few reasons, I'm an addict! and I'm stressed alot so the smoke eases the stress.
I think some smokers will turn to antidepressants etc to combat the stress they'll feel trying to cut down or pack in. The side effects and the addiction to these medications can be far more damaging to health than smoking!
Add to this all the brands of medication which claims to stop you from smoking nicotine patches etc, and the new drugs now being maketed could have unseen side effects in the future( how many times have the so called experts said xyz medication is safe and turned out not to be) It's a choice take the blue pill? or be a smoker?

I don't enjoy cigarrettes with filter tips myself. It took some getting used to rolling my own without filters( was to strong at first) but I do feel better and enjoy a smoke more now. I can smoke 20 to 30 marijuana smokes a day or 60 hand rolled tobacco ones. I feel fine.





Totally agree with your comments but do think quitting like anything is all in the mind...

Guess we wont be seeing no more legalise dope demonstrations now? If they want to kirb smoke..then what chances are there of a sea of green? Its not gonna happen


Hey .. do you think maybe they cottoned on to the fact marijuana actually helps make sense of the real world (enlightenment)..?

[2013]

Totally agree with your comments but do think quitting like anything is all in the mind...

Guess we wont be seeing no more legalise dope demonstrations now? If they want to kirb smoke..then what chances are there of a sea of green? Its not gonna happen


Hey .. do you think maybe they cottoned on to the fact marijuana actually helps make sense of the real world (enlightenment)..?

I am speaking to a friend in new zealand on msn at mo she says theyve had no smoking ban for 4 years there.landlords rebelled at first but lost profits and got big fines now all ok with it .She says they have the right to grow 3 plants each though but growing tobacco is illegal, although they forgot to make cigar smoking illegal in public so u can stil ldo clint eastwood impressions into your beer , lol.By the way prostitution is legal she tells me there and they advertise in the unemplyment offices and have 2 pay tax , told you they would tax it if htey could lol .:D

[2013]

I had a shave the other day. Does that count? :D

depends what you been shaving :p:D lol
dont be weird , keep your beard
its the one thing that they feared
bare faced liars politicians
stay hairy dont be their victims.

[auron]

depends what you been shaving :p:D lol
dont be weird , keep your beard
its the one thing that they feared
bare faced liars politicians
stay hairy dont be their victims.
:D

It got to a horrible looking length! I used a head shaver to shorten it. I don't like "clean shaven" :)

[2013]

seriously though beards dont get good press walt disney wouldnt allow them and u dont see many politicians with them do u ?robin cook and look what happened to him .in fact society s rulers are rather anti hair roman influence ?they invented short back and sides apparently .

Quote "Danny:
I don't advise a hair cut man. All hairdressers are in the employment
of the government. Hair are your aerials. They pick up signals from
the cosmos and transmit them directly into the brain. This is the
reason bald-headed men are uptight."

withnail and i :D

[sirjohnthebadji]

Heres a intresting article by the late, great Joe Viallis basicly saying that smoking protects your lungs, and the only reason they blame cancer on smoking is that they needed something to blame all the deaths on after they dropped the bombs on Japan and people were dieing from the radioactive fallout years later, hence smoking causes cancer..........er no dropping bombs packed with radioactive material causes cancer.

Anyway heres the link.....

http://www.vialls.com/transpositions/smoking.html

Good link, thanks. Lots of useful stuff on this thread.

Start Rant

I am a smoker of tobacco and so on and have been for many (over 40) years. My school-masters urged me not to smoke, my one-time spirit guide (identified himself as Jesus) urged me not to smoke, my doctor urges me not to smoke, the drug companies urge me not to smoke, my wife urges me not to smoke, and now the state practically orders me not to smoke. They can all take a running jump. I like the smell of tobacco, it's certainly better than the smell of patchouli, B.O., and combustion engine fumes. If I die young (well, under 70) and it is attributed to smoking I shall have saved the (U.K.) state a fortune in medical expenses seeing me through to old age in their iron lung. If Native American Red Indians still smoke tobacco (as opposed to cannabis or perhaps other herbs) in their peace pipes perhaps it's some strain of Nicotiana that hasn't lost its psychotropic qualities. I am convinced that the tobacco brought from the New World to Europe must have been rather like the cannabis of our day - poets wrote eulogies to it (Ben Jonson referred to 'Divine Tobacco' as did the intelligentsia of the day). Just as the musk plant suddenly lost its scent in the middle of the 19th century, I suspect that tobacco sometime lost its mind-altering qualities and the vegetable world, always keen to co-operate in the cause of higher consciousness transferred these 'divine' qualities to Cannabis, which has in the same way inspired poets and musicians of our own times.

What's going to happen in the Netherlands? This smoking ban seems to be EU led, what's going to happen to the Coffee Houses? And why should the EU and UK Parliament buildings be exempt from the ban?

And where is the choice in this country (UK)? Why can't a pub elect to be a smoking pub, enter at your own risk?

Risk. Not a word one hears very often used positively in the mainstream these days, but as someone said on here some time "The Conventional Life Is A Theft Upon Society".

Furthermore (nearly finished)

I learnt today that 'Agnostic' is an anagram of 'Coasting', which seems apposite to that tag-line.

A navvy's three course breakfast used to be

A Cup of Tea
A Woodbine, and
A Good Cough


Now playing: Little Willie's Wild Woodbines

Rant ends.

Thanks. And thanks to Icke for keeping on stirring it up.

[ashyr]

ive quit 1 and a half weeks ago.

4th time.

grrr. lets go . =D

[lookfar]

What's going to happen in the Netherlands? This smoking ban seems to be EU led, what's going to happen to the Coffee Houses? And why should the EU and UK Parliament buildings be exempt from the ban?

And where is the choice in this country (UK)? Why can't a pub elect to be a smoking pub, enter at your own risk?


Hi sirjohnthebadji

Hehe good rant there :)

Interesting point regarding the Netherlands & coffee shops, not sure how that's gonna effect them. Although I did read a while back that some places want to scan your personal ID before they will serve you!!:( Not sure if this could be a way to overcome it... we'll let you smoke if we have your personal details on file... dunno!! :confused:

I totally agree that it should be down to choice. If places had the correct ventilation etc, then smoking wouldn't be a problem. I like the idea of a smokers pub!!:)

[lottie]

i agree- why not just have smoking businesses and non-smoking, that goes for pubs,clubs,cafes,restaurants etc etc, then we all get a choice, any logical reasonable person would have come up with that idea if they were in the least concerned about the importance of people maintaining their freedom of choice, the fact that it isnt that way- which is clearly the better and fairer for everyone choice, its obvious that the smoking ban is directly related to control and reducing freedoms also working two fold as we all police each other too!!!

[lookfar]

its obvious that the smoking ban is directly related to control and reducing freedoms also working two fold as we all police each other too!!!

Yep & also a way to create divide & segregate people into "smokers" and "non-smokers". We don't need anymore divide than we already are thank you! We are all connected, doesn't matter whether we smoke or not IMO!!

[leafar]

"Smoker' means someone who sometimes smokes

"Non smoker" means someone who doesn't smoke


"Non smoker" can be divided into two groups :


1) Those who don't have a problem with others smoking, or do but aren't nazi bigots

2) And those who are nazi bigots


Let's never forget that distinction within the "non smoker" group. Those in group 2 would love for you to believe that there's no group 1. That's why they merely say "non smokers" rather than "nazi bigots" (to distinguish themselves). But actually we all know that thankfully, group 2 is a tiny minority. There's not that many of them.

[merlincove]

lol, and there was me wonderin who mighta resurected this from the halls of lost posts ;)

lol indeed.....

[leafar]

Huh? Naah, I wouldn't dream of it.

[kanz]

the ban has ruined going out, not that i enjoyed it much anyway. they could have used commen sence and add some extractor fans , even partition off a small part for smokers in big enough pubs. instead they just go into one of there god complexes and hand down a new law , which can cause alot of the smaller pubs alot of business . not to mention the smell in a hot club , almost makes the smell of a fag sound heavenly.

[purelibra]

Do you guys still have normal ciggies over there? All we have here are FSC and they are like smoking a tire iv'e had to switch to stogies and a pipe.

[leafar]

It certainly has ruined going out for a lot of people. That's why many landlords still allow smoking, and it's also why some people (like myself) have decided to do something about it. There's another thread in the general section that goes into detail about this.

[grannymoose]

Smoking has got to be one of the most idiotic things one can do, lets hope they ban cars next:D

Car Crashes Kill 400 Times
More Than Terrorism
6-30-7

Car crashes kill 400 times more people than international terrorism does in developed countries

The death toll from car crashes in developed countries is almost 400 times greater than the number of deaths caused by international terrorism, reports a study in the latest issue of Injury Prevention.

In 2001 as many people died every 26 days on US roads as died in the terrorist bombings of 9/11, the study shows.

http://rense.com/general77/carcr.htm

Forget smokimg.... wheres my right to breathe clean unpoluted air when i leave the house or open my window?
Ever stand at the bus stop and watch the plumes bellowing from them things.
You attack one, you have to attack another no matter what the argument is.
Smoking is free choice,
Transport pollution is not. yet we never hear of it in the news.

[cafetimes1991]

I think I have the honour here of being the youngest smoker here. American Spirit rules.

[ricko]

... non smoking motherfuckers have ruined everything!

... you got your stupid ban and yet you still fucking moan!

... you suck!

:mad:

[sarrin]

Right iam bringing my zippo out of retirement! And getting back on the rollies for the new year! after nearly 2 years of not smoking; god iam still gasping for a smoke nearly every day. :mad: :mad:

Na iam notgoing to really but it wil always be the dream :rolleyes:

[shansuke]

if a landlord/lady wants their establishment to be a smoking zone then a smoking zone it should be,after all they own the place.

im glad i quit but im still totaly against an all out smoking ban,infact i would leave it at the descretion of the landlord/lady,and if you dont like it then go somwhere else.

[i_am]

Oh get over it you lot :p

We have had these bans for years and guess what? The smokers have survived and so have the sensible pubs and clubs, They provide outdoor areas for smokers.

[gilly]

Oh get over it you lot :p

We have had these bans for years and guess what? The smokers have survived and so have the sensible pubs and clubs, They provide outdoor areas for smokers.

That's nice, when you're dolled up & it's pissing down!

A lot of pubs round our way are standing empty now. I don't see why there can't be clearly signed 'smoking' & 'non-smoking' pubs and/or smoking & non-smoking areas within pubs that are sealed off & staffed by people who are happy to work in that environment.

[i_am]

That's nice, when you're dolled up & it's pissing down!

A lot of pubs round our way are standing empty now. I don't see why there can't be clearly signed 'smoking' & 'non-smoking' pubs and/or smoking & non-smoking areas within pubs that are sealed off & staffed by people who are happy to work in that environment.


They have a roof :rolleyes:

Perhaps they just adapted and rather than lose their clientele were prepared to spend a little bit to keep them?

[gilly]

They have a roof :rolleyes:

Perhaps they just adapted and rather than lose their clientele were prepared to spend a little bit to keep them?

There are plenty of pubs around here that have roofless smoking areas outdoors - and it's virtualy always piddling down. It's a pisstake, frankly!

[gods sun]

lol funny ban i saw today, this bus shelter is a non smoking bus shelter :D getting ridiculous.

[gilly]

lol funny ban i saw today, this bus shelter is a non smoking bus shelter :D getting ridiculous.

Getting? It's already got!!!

And those smoking areas with rooves have to have open sides, so, since the rain rarely falls in straight verticle lines, you're not afforded much shelter from the elements, if any! Even when it's dry, there's wind, temperature & dampness of seating to consider. A lot of places local to me think a plastic patio chair with a parasol is sufficient. In bloody winter! It's a pisstake!

[dreamweaver]

All part of the plan.

1. Drive away pubs' biggest-spending customers (smokers) by bringing in ridiculous rules until they think "sod this for a lark".
2. Ratchet up the tax on alcohol served in pubs so that the remaining customers feel the pinch.
3. More pubs go out of business.
4. Former pub regulars stay at home, hypnotised by the constant propaganda of the TV rather than discussing what is going on in the world with their mates down the pub.

[i_am]

Getting? It's already got!!!

And those smoking areas with rooves have to have open sides, so, since the rain rarely falls in straight verticle lines, you're not afforded much shelter from the elements, if any! Even when it's dry, there's wind, temperature & dampness of seating to consider. A lot of places local to me think a plastic patio chair with a parasol is sufficient. In bloody winter! It's a pisstake!


We had a similar reaction here when it was first introduced but most meeting places have seen the advantage of providing a suitable designated smoking area.

I have never got wet in a designated smoking area yet.

[eclipse]

i think the smoke stops there chemmies working as well on us, i dont know anyone that smokes thats ill or had cancer, and everyone that has been ill has been a non smoker.
I lost both my grandfathers to lung cancer, obviously down to the large amount of cigs they smoked. My Dad started smoking at 38, he started ageing rapidly for a start, his skin turned a horrible colour, could add more thinks smoking did to his body but I cba tbh. Daft that you are defending it, but smokers always do!

When I'm stood in a bus shelter it takes the piss when two people are smoking and it's wafting into my face. :rolleyes:

[howie]

My MP voted to ban smoking in pubs, I'd like to get a metal ornament of a pub with little people standing outside & ram it in his face.

[neutron flux]

I lost both my grandfathers to lung cancer, obviously down to the large amount of cigs they smoked

If you consume large amounts of anything it'll probably kill you - the key is moderation and additive free rolling tobacco.

When I'm stood in a bus shelter it takes the piss when two people are smoking and it's wafting into my face.

But you seem okay with all the toxic fumes coming out of the traffic wafting in your face.

[gilly]

We had a similar reaction here when it was first introduced but most meeting places have seen the advantage of providing a suitable designated smoking area.

I have never got wet in a designated smoking area yet.

Well the ban's been in place here for a good while, so it's not like they haven't had the time to introduce suitable designated smoking areas to all social venues - a lot just don't seem to have the inclination, or the sense to come up with something substantial, so you need a thermal vest & balaclava or snorkel & flaming flippers half the time.

[kde_]

even outside I can't stand the smell of cigs. ex smokers are the worse. I must have done it to 10000000 of people :eek: .

[pinkfreud]

no one really follows the smoking ban here. the cops who are supposed to enforce the rules lighten up when you offer them a cig.

roofless smoking areas in the uk? hell, as if the constant rain wasn't bad enough already!

[eternal_spirit]

Been no fun this winter! The coldest on record!

[passing]

I was slightly merry the other week and sparked up at the bar without thinking... I legged it outside after all the eyebrows raised :D ... a bit later I asked jokingly if I was banned, and the barman said No, we've all done it.

[beldazar]

Yeah how bloody annoying :mad: Yet another way to curb our so called freedom - what a load of bollox!!

I work for a tobacco company & the ban won't stop me smoking, probably quite the opposite, lol!! :D

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5008/jointun9.gif

Love you lookie!

I'm with you :D

[willnotbesilenced]

Hitler's Anti-Smoking Campaign

There was a lot more to the Nazi agenda than just yellow stars and death-camps.Anti-smoking activism was one such area. Hitler's goal was a "secure and sanitary utopia".The anti-smoking campaign was one instance of the Nazi campaign for"racial and bodily purity".

http://www.smokersclub.com/klass/klass2.htm

[decim]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[eternal1stparty]

There is one bar here in louisville that seemingly escapes the law.... Called the Mag Bar, Its a punker bar in an area of town called old louisville.... quite popular with a great juke box and plenty of good pool to be shot in the back.

Its the only bar in louisville that lets folks smoke...... I dunno how they get away with it, but I suspect that somebodies getting paid off.

I roll my own cigs, bali shag. what to you cats smoke?

[iaintoff]

There is one bar here in louisville that seemingly escapes the law.... Called the Mag Bar, Its a punker bar in an area of town called old louisville.... quite popular with a great juke box and plenty of good pool to be shot in the back.

Its the only bar in louisville that lets folks smoke...... I dunno how they get away with it, but I suspect that somebodies getting paid off.

I roll my own cigs, bali shag. what to you cats smoke?


skunk, and lots of it:D

[fidokrab]

I think people should be more concerned about the chemtrails in our skies, the fumes cars produce etc, than second hand smoke.

This I agree with. I can't stand the toxic fumes from cars, and chemtrails are disgusting.

I grew up with second hand smoke, and it's something that doesn't bother me if I'm just passing by.

[jakemaverick]

skunk, and lots of it:D

can i have some?

haven't been alowed money since 2005, so besides the point so haven't been in a pub since then :-( if i ever allowed back 'into society' gonna be so easy to forget....is it still legal to smoke in hotel rooms? if anybody knows....

[neutron flux]

Look at these twisted anti-smoking ads from France:

http://www.ladepeche.fr/content/photo/biz/2010/02/23/tabac_zoom.jpg

How far can we go to raise teenagers' awareness concerning the dangers of tobacco? Obviously very far judging by the recent anti-smoking advertising campaign of the Rights of Non Smokers group (Droits des Non Fumeurs - DNF) whose provocation is generating controversy.

With a slogan that reads "smoking is the worst submission", BDDP & Sons advertising agency has designed three photographs (two boys and one girl) showing a young teenager holding a cigarette in his mouth, their heads covered by the two hands of an adult and at the level of this adult's genitals.

The allusion to forced oral sex is obvious. But can we put sexual abuses and tobacco dependency on the same level to illustrate submission? While several groups like Childhood and Sharing (Enfance et Partage) raised their voices, DNF asserts that its wish is "to generate awareness that smoking is not freeing oneself from authority, but on the contrary is a sign of submission and naivety."

[jackdaw]

Smoking restrictions apply to hotels, but check these out if you're looking for relaxed rules...

http://www.friendly-places.com/categories/smoker-friendly/

[jakemaverick]

Smoking restrictions apply to hotels, but check these out if you're looking for relaxed rules...

http://www.friendly-places.com/categories/smoker-friendly/

cheerz for the link! will come in handy if i am eevr allowed access to money again.....

[passing]

I am a smoker of tobacco and so on and have been for many (over 40) years.

Ah, after a day at work - sorry, at job - it was a pleasure to park my arse and read that. I'll set you a place for dinner any time.

[john connor]

i think the smoke stops there chemmies working as well on us, i dont know anyone that smokes thats ill or had cancer, and everyone that has been ill has been a non smoker.

Thats a theory that may not be too far off the mark..f@ck them I'm not quitting

[o_rourke]

Look at these twisted anti-smoking ads from France:

http://www.ladepeche.fr/content/photo/biz/2010/02/23/tabac_zoom.jpg


For goodness sake! I've seen it all now :eek:

[jakemaverick]

damn cute gal though......and i'm sure there is soemthing wronfg with that guys penis!

[passing]

http://www.ladepeche.fr/content/photo/biz/2010/02/23/tabac_zoom.jpg

Wow... it says smoking is being a slave to tobacco. But why a corporate blow-job sex-slave?

Why not driving makes you a slave to oil?

[o_rourke]

damn cute gal though......and i'm sure there is soemthing wronfg with that guys penis!

Lol :D:D

[o_rourke]

Wow... it says smoking is being a slave to tobacco. But why a corporate blow-job sex-slave?

Why not driving makes you a slave to oil?


Exactly.

[chloesnose]

Thats a theory that may not be too far off the mark..f@ck them I'm not quitting

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98237&highlight=CHLOES+NOSE