Wow... What can I say but, WOW.

[challand]

I stumbled home from my friend's place last night... a little full of whiskey a little full of curiosity...

I didn't sleep well last night.

What can I say - I stumbled across Loose Change... then a few Alex Jones films... and now... this... ... ... hehe What can I say but my mind is effectively a molten puddle of steel somehow melted by kerosine. :P

I don't think I'm going to sleep well tonight either. I'm kinda joking but I'm serious... :P

[limelady]

I stumbled home from my friend's place last night... a little full of whiskey a little full of curiosity...

I didn't sleep well last night.

What can I say - I stumbled across Loose Change... then a few Alex Jones films... and now... this... ... ... hehe What can I say but my mind is effectively a molten puddle of steel somehow melted by kerosine. :P

I don't think I'm going to sleep well tonight either. I'm kinda joking but I'm serious... :P

Hehehe....its happened to all of us at some stage challand!

Welcome to the DI forum. :D

[danielg]

Welcome to the lunatic fringe :)

[barbitone]

Welcome.....to the real world. muhawahawhaw!!! Sorry but there is no going back.:D Your time in the pod is over.

Seriously though, it's great to have you on board the forum matey!

[danielg]

lol@ pod^^^
Try Jordan Maxwell and Michael Tsarion videos on google too mate (also check the money masters on goog vids)...
www.redicecreations.com www.michaeltsarion.com www.jordanmaxwell.com www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com www.goroadachi.com have good info..
:)

[chattanova]

Hey :) Great to have you onboard. Enjoy your stay.

[ngawaka19]

Hey challand,

Welcome and wonderful to have you here.
I like your poison, what type of whiskey, or is it any kind?

love and light
ngawaka

[lookfar]

Hi challand & welcome to the forum :)

Hehe, I remember feeling exactly the same last year when I stumbled across it all. Enjoy the rollercoaster ride :)

[challand]

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone! I think I'm going to like it here on the lunatic fringe! hehe

I haven't felt like this since I saw Loose Change... just totally blown away yet somehow it feels really, really good. I've barely scratched the surface so far but I can't wait to scare the crap out of myself later tonight diving into this stuff. :D

Oh btw, Kentucky Sour Mash is my poison of choice. Jack or Jim of course! ;)

Wow, I really can't wait to get to know you all and enjoy flexing the ol' brain to it limits! :D

[indigo]

Hey I stumbled across this site the same time as someone posted loose change on another fiorum.

[challand]

Yikes! So you got one heckuva truth dose! hehe

I'm rather thankful I had a few months to process Loose Change and the like before I took the time to look into Mr. Icke... I'm not sure I would have done so well otherwise... I was pretty braindead until that fateful morning. :P

[freespark]

I stumbled home from my friend's place last night... a little full of whiskey a little full of curiosity...

I didn't sleep well last night.

What can I say - I stumbled across Loose Change... then a few Alex Jones films... and now... this... ... ... hehe What can I say but my mind is effectively a molten puddle of steel somehow melted by kerosine. :P

I don't think I'm going to sleep well tonight either. I'm kinda joking but I'm serious... :P

I love seeing posts like this....:)

Welcome challand.

[dondaz]

hi challand, welcome to the real world. What a buzz it is, that first taste of realization when we find out about 911 and the agenda.:eek: I'm still staggering from it.

Hope you enjoy your time here!

[challand]

Oh I know I will! :) It's so wonderful though to feel awake for the first time in my life. I can't explain it but I feel like I've never felt in my entire life.

I spent alot of time before I awoke trying to figure out how the world worked... what exactly was wrong with the world. I tried my best to understand it (studying history, sociology) but deep down it just didn't complete a full picture. Well as I'm sure you have all felt before... now it does. :D It is all at once horrific and wonderful. I feel such purpose and oneness with many people and just life in general. :)

[lookfar]

Hey challand

I've just noticed you're from Indianapolis. Have you seen this thread about the symbolism there? Tin & Thoth have done some extensive research on it & it's a very interesting read...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2172

[auron]

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone! I think I'm going to like it here on the lunatic fringe! hehe

I haven't felt like this since I saw Loose Change... just totally blown away yet somehow it feels really, really good. I've barely scratched the surface so far but I can't wait to scare the crap out of myself later tonight diving into this stuff. :D

Oh btw, Kentucky Sour Mash is my poison of choice. Jack or Jim of course! ;)

Wow, I really can't wait to get to know you all and enjoy flexing the ol' brain to it limits!:D
Great stuff man! http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_185.gif

Welcome to your new home.

Auron :D

[ashyr]

remember,

1) where you parked your car

2) that you did come to this website. (bookmark, or put it on paper)

3) recover,

btw what kinda whiskey? me fav's the old jameson. single malt 12 year.

no hangovers on single malts from what i understand

[challand]

Oh wow, nice stuff there... unfortunately I've had to become a bargain drinker of late. :P but if I can afford it Johnny Walker really tickles my pickle. ;)

Thanks for the advice on the hangoverless b00ze too! ;)

[baron von lotsov]

lol@ pod^^^
Try Jordan Maxwell and Michael Tsarion videos on google too mate (also
:)

I wouldn't. Both are shills working for the elite. They are brainwashers and disinfo merchants.

Apart from that, by all means stick around.

[barbitone]

I wouldn't. Both are shills working for the elite. They are brainwashers and disinfo merchants.

Apart from that, by all means stick around.

Really? Can you post us some info on that?

[i_am]

Welcome challand. I just love the way you expressed how you were feeling. The veil is lifting :p

It is a helluva a ride at first and you need to hang on like crazy but you do get used to being 'different' and it becomes the new 'normal'

What the hell is NORMAL anyway???

[challand]

:D Thanks for the nice words. :)

Brissy! I just got back from a year there! I lived in Lawnton - boy I tell ya what my year in Australia really helped wake me up. I was the typical "America is the greatest country EVAR!" kinda person before I went there. In Australia I learned what it was like to be around friendly, good honest people who weren't afraid of each other... and what it was like to take a stroll around town without fear of being shot! lol

I often refer to my time in Brissy as 'My time in Utopia'. lol I know it might not be perfect but its way more perfect than anywhere in this country... and the sad thing is it doesn't have to be that way! Just a few small changes to our government and we could be as happy as you lovely Aussies! :D

[ashyr]

well now.

thers always the hair of the dog.

I didnt believe that would work until i tried it.

and by god it works. man what a awesome hangover cure.


for people who dont know what HAIR OF THE DOG is. its a shot of whatever it was you were drinking the night before. whiskey, i have tried it with. just have a shot of it or a skull . man made me relax. forget about my crusty feeling my guts relaxed. i didnt feel sore i was all relaxed and nice. able to deal with the hangover in comfort.

[baron von lotsov]

Really? Can you post us some info on that?

Jordan Maxwell was running a scam to do with International driving licences and a financial scam. He sold useless pieces of paper to people for something of the order of $1000 for people who were heavily in debt and thought they would get it all cancelled through some non-existent loophole. In total the court judgement was that he should repay the victims approx. $440 000. He traded under various pseudonyms, one of which was the BBC of America. I have read the court papers; it's all for real.

Tsarion is a Rosicrucian with high-level elite connections. The biography page has been removed from his site after people put two and two together. He is an expert brainwasher, employing NLP and essentially talking complete shit. Don't touch either with a barge pole; they are connected in some ways as well. Also Maxwell burnt Icke after he entered into business with him. Icke got some heat for that and as far as I know he has also now distanced himself.

[dondaz]

Hey baron,

I have read the court papers; it's all for real.

Where are these papers you have read?

Tsarion is a Rosicrucian with high-level elite connections. The biography page has been removed from his site after people put two and two together. He is an expert brainwasher, employing NLP and essentially talking complete shit.

High level elite connections you say? Show me!

Also Maxwell burnt Icke after he entered into business with him. Icke got some heat for that and as far as I know he has also now distanced himself.

Where is your infomation coming from?

Please post some links so I can look in to what you are saying here.

[pumma]

Yeah I mean, if you are exposing the information (a.k.a. forbidden knowladge) "They" will do anything to make you look bad... :)

Oh yes challand Welcome ...

[baron von lotsov]

Hey baron,



Where are these papers you have read?

On a government website in America.



High level elite connections you say? Show me!

Look yourself



Where is your infomation coming from?

Various sources

Please post some links so I can look in to what you are saying here.

It's time you did your own research.

[limelady]

I have not looked into the life and work of Jordan Maxwell to any great extent, so I cannot comment with any legitimacy as to his "shill" status as proposed by baron von lotsov. However I have looked into the enormous body of work presented by Michael Tsarion, and from what I can tell he's pretty legit.

I have just finished reading his Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation book, in which he goes into the secrets (and the reasons why so much is being kept secret) held tightly within the many 'secret societies', including the Rosicrucians. Tsarion quite clearly abhors all forms of secrecy which prevents humankind from advancing spiritually, and I was greatly impressed with the enormous amount of reference material he has systematically combed through in order to present his thesis. In fact the case he puts forward (the heart of his own input in this book) is only 153 pages long - whereas the references, appendixes, scientific abstracts, research data further research (along with suggestions for further research for readers), is 285 pages!

I was impressed with this book and the way the information was presented - not that I necessarily agree with everything presented . On that basis, I would suggest to those who are keen to learn 'why' things are the way they are on this planet, that it might be prudent to at least read this book before making any final assessment on Michael Tsarion the man, his motives, and his life-work.

Also, being that Tsarion is so well researched himself (more than 30 years of researching) he tends to not 'suffer fools' too well, therefore those who attempt to engage him in his own subject matter better be dam sure of their facts or they're likely to get the 'rough end of the Tsarion pineapple' shoved you-know-where. :p

Tsarion presents his research, but with all such material its up to the reader to be discerning.

[baron von lotsov]

Here is his biography. Why don't you run a few of those names through Google? It's about as elite as they come plus he does use NLP in his writings extensively, no wonder he does not like people questioning him.

Described as a teacher's teacher, Michael Tsarion is a Divination Scholar and Sidereal Mythologist. An expert on Stellar Astrology, he is the creator of the Archetypal Stellar Taroscopic© Astrological system of Hermetic Divination, and founder of the online Taroscopic Mystery School. Michael is a descendant of a long line of philosophers, free-thinkers, ascetics and visionaries. His Himalayan born mother was a well-loved, internationally recognized clairvoyant, whose affiliates included Barbara Marx Hubbard, Sir George Trevelyan, Jerry Jampolsky, Elizabeth Kubla-Ross, Shirley MacLean, Edgar Mitchell and a host of other celebrities and academes. She attended J. Krishnamurti’s premier college in India and was later honored as the very first clairvoyant to be a regular on Irish Television. The CEO of Britain’s Independent Broadcasting described her readings as “devastatingly accurate.”

Michael is also the grandson of Tara Singh, the renowned philosopher, author and teacher of the theosophic tome A Course in Miracles. He was the intimate friend of J. Krishnamurti (the World Teacher), Swiss architect Le Corbusier, Keith Critchlow, Alan Chadwick, Eleanor Roosevelt and President Nehru. He was entrusted, by the latter, with India’s 5-year plan of restoration after British withdrawal. Tara Singh was also played a key role in the Rev. Paul Solomon’s Fellowship of Inner Light, one of the first true American mystery schools. He now heads the Foundation for Life Action in Los Angeles.

Michael was born and raised in Ireland and grew up learning metaphysics from Krishnamurti, Rev. Paul Solomon and Peter Balin. Growing up surrounded by leading free-thinkers and mystery school creators he was under pressure to find his own authentic voice rather than becoming dependant on the systems and influences of others. He has honored his pedigree by dedicating his life to the deepest research concerning the seminal metaphysical sciences. And unlike so many, he believes in honoring the work and the names of his mentors. He takes it as a given, the words of Lord Macauly:

A people which takes no pride in the noble achievements of remote ancestors will never achieve anything worthy to be remembered with pride by remote descendants.

Intuitive since birth, he was introduced to the Tarot at age 11 through Rev. Paul Solomon’s premier mystery school - the Fellowship of Inner Light Movement and learning of its profound effect on the human intuition and its value as an empowerment tool, committed his life to bringing Tarot into the lives of others.

He has been affiliated with the Paul Solomon Foundation of Virginia and Rosicrucian Order, the Naqsbaandi Sufi Order, has taught indigo children at the New Age Academy in Berkeley and is frequent guest of Seeing Beyond and KEST, the Bay Area's leading metaphysical radio programs. He has appeared on The Quest with Peter Weisbach, on Seattle's Conspiracy Corner, on Dr. Stan Monteith's Radio Liberty, on Radio Alchemy, KKUP and The Hilly Rose Show, and made five hour-long programs with Bay Area's KMVT. He has been a guest speaker at the Boeing Parapsychological Society and at the UFO/Paranormal conferences of California and Washington where his presentations and lectures on Atlantis and pre-diluvian history, have been passionately acclaimed by veterans in the field, such as Jordan Maxwell, Lloyd Pye, Dr. Roger Leir, Peter Davenport, Robert Perala, and Glenn Kimball, etc,. His book, Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation seeks to correct the plethora of disinformation regarding Atlantis and the pre-diluvian epochs and addresses the exact reasons why human beings are finding themselves, existentially and socially, in the present precarious situation. Along with Jordan Maxwell, Michael has been a contributor of information to researcher and author David Icke.

Michael's articles on metaphysics, etc., are featured in his The High Window column of the Psychic Reader, the official organ of the Berkeley Psychic Institute in California.

Michael gives outstanding workshops, presentations and classes on The Western Magical Tradition, Astro-Theology, Ancient Civilizations, Goddess Tradition, Symbol Literacy, Indigo Children, Psychic Vampirism, Secret Societies and on the Subversive Use of Sacred Symbolism in the Media.

[barbitone]

So.......why should we ignore this guy again? I don't know about anyone else, but to me, information is information. I don't see things as right and wrong anymore. I also study the person's unspoken attributes more than their information these days, if I want a fix on them. I don't believe you can judge that solely on what they are saying, otherwise you lose the plot. Know what I mean?

I say ignore what Baron told you, check him out for yourself. I found him to be very useful to my personal info data-bank. Never let anyone tell you that there are some things not worth checking out. That's bullcrap.

I wouldn't tell anyone to simply rule out looking into any particular source of information. Check out what the Catholics are saying, check out what the Scientologists are saying, check out what George Bush Jr is saying check it all out! And make up your own damn mind.

"None of us have all the answers, but we all have some of them." -David Icke.

[terminus_est]

Here is his biography. Why don't you run a few of those names through Google? It's about as elite as they come plus he does use NLP in his writings extensively, no wonder he does not like people questioning him.

Described as a teacher's teacher, Michael Tsarion is a Divination Scholar and Sidereal Mythologist. An expert on Stellar Astrology, he is the creator of the Archetypal Stellar Taroscopic© Astrological system of Hermetic Divination, and founder of the online Taroscopic Mystery School. Michael is a descendant of a long line of philosophers, free-thinkers, ascetics and visionaries. His Himalayan born mother was a well-loved, internationally recognized clairvoyant, whose affiliates included Barbara Marx Hubbard, Sir George Trevelyan, Jerry Jampolsky, Elizabeth Kubla-Ross, Shirley MacLean, Edgar Mitchell and a host of other celebrities and academes. She attended J. Krishnamurti’s premier college in India and was later honored as the very first clairvoyant to be a regular on Irish Television. The CEO of Britain’s Independent Broadcasting described her readings as “devastatingly accurate.”

Michael is also the grandson of Tara Singh, the renowned philosopher, author and teacher of the theosophic tome A Course in Miracles. He was the intimate friend of J. Krishnamurti (the World Teacher), Swiss architect Le Corbusier, Keith Critchlow, Alan Chadwick, Eleanor Roosevelt and President Nehru. He was entrusted, by the latter, with India’s 5-year plan of restoration after British withdrawal. Tara Singh was also played a key role in the Rev. Paul Solomon’s Fellowship of Inner Light, one of the first true American mystery schools. He now heads the Foundation for Life Action in Los Angeles.

Michael was born and raised in Ireland and grew up learning metaphysics from Krishnamurti, Rev. Paul Solomon and Peter Balin. Growing up surrounded by leading free-thinkers and mystery school creators he was under pressure to find his own authentic voice rather than becoming dependant on the systems and influences of others. He has honored his pedigree by dedicating his life to the deepest research concerning the seminal metaphysical sciences. And unlike so many, he believes in honoring the work and the names of his mentors. He takes it as a given, the words of Lord Macauly:

A people which takes no pride in the noble achievements of remote ancestors will never achieve anything worthy to be remembered with pride by remote descendants.

Intuitive since birth, he was introduced to the Tarot at age 11 through Rev. Paul Solomon’s premier mystery school - the Fellowship of Inner Light Movement and learning of its profound effect on the human intuition and its value as an empowerment tool, committed his life to bringing Tarot into the lives of others.

He has been affiliated with the Paul Solomon Foundation of Virginia and Rosicrucian Order, the Naqsbaandi Sufi Order, has taught indigo children at the New Age Academy in Berkeley and is frequent guest of Seeing Beyond and KEST, the Bay Area's leading metaphysical radio programs. He has appeared on The Quest with Peter Weisbach, on Seattle's Conspiracy Corner, on Dr. Stan Monteith's Radio Liberty, on Radio Alchemy, KKUP and The Hilly Rose Show, and made five hour-long programs with Bay Area's KMVT. He has been a guest speaker at the Boeing Parapsychological Society and at the UFO/Paranormal conferences of California and Washington where his presentations and lectures on Atlantis and pre-diluvian history, have been passionately acclaimed by veterans in the field, such as Jordan Maxwell, Lloyd Pye, Dr. Roger Leir, Peter Davenport, Robert Perala, and Glenn Kimball, etc,. His book, Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation seeks to correct the plethora of disinformation regarding Atlantis and the pre-diluvian epochs and addresses the exact reasons why human beings are finding themselves, existentially and socially, in the present precarious situation. Along with Jordan Maxwell, Michael has been a contributor of information to researcher and author David Icke.

Michael's articles on metaphysics, etc., are featured in his The High Window column of the Psychic Reader, the official organ of the Berkeley Psychic Institute in California.

Michael gives outstanding workshops, presentations and classes on The Western Magical Tradition, Astro-Theology, Ancient Civilizations, Goddess Tradition, Symbol Literacy, Indigo Children, Psychic Vampirism, Secret Societies and on the Subversive Use of Sacred Symbolism in the Media.

Thanks Baron for bringing up his bio. Wow I've never thoroughly read that enough, but now that I did I am even more convinced that Tsarion is working for the other side than before. I bet that even his bloodline, being the long line of philosophers, free-thinkers, ascetics and visionaries that it is, has at least some historical ties with the Illuminati bloodlines.

And as for Maxwell:

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/images/lucas_eisner_maxwell.gif

What the hell is he doing with Michael Eisner, the C-E-FUCKING-O of Walt Disney, which we know well is a MAJOR ILLUMINATI MIND CONTROL FRONT?! And besides Eisner is a Jew and we know that Jews run the entertainment industry right?

And George Lucas himself is a New Ager and so he really has got to be one of *their* change agents.

[terminus_est]

Bump for the Baron.