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oiram
26-02-2009, 11:30 PM
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http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-good-can-handgun-do-against-army.html

By Mike Vanderboegh

A friend of mine recently forwarded me a question a friend of his had posed:

"If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against an army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals? (I'm not being facetious: I accept the possibility that what happened in Germany, or similar, could happen here; I'm just not sure that the potential good from an armed citizenry in such a situation outweighs the day-to-day problems caused by masses of idiots who own guns.)"

If I may, I'd like to try to answer that question. I certainly do not think the writer facetious for asking it. The subject is a serious one that I have given much research and considerable thought to. I believe that upon the answer to this question depends the future of our Constitutional republic, our liberty and perhaps our lives. My friend Aaron Zelman, one of the founders of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership told me once:

"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied, MV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic." - Aaron Zelman, JPFO

Note well that phrase: "and the will to use it," for the simply-stated question, "What good can a handgun do against an army?", is in fact a complex one and must be answered at length and carefully. It is a military question. It is also a political question. But above all it is a moral question which strikes to the heart of what makes men free, and what makes them slaves. First, let's answer the military question.

Most military questions have both a strategic and a tactical component. Let's consider the tactical.

A friend of mine owns an instructive piece of history. It is a small, crude pistol, made out of sheet-metal stampings by the U.S. during
World War II. While it fits in the palm of your hand and is a slowly-operated, single-shot arm, it's powerful .45 caliber projectile
will kill a man with brutal efficiency. With a short, smooth-bore barrel it can reliably kill only at point blank ranges, so its use
requires the will (brave or foolhardy) to get in close before firing. It is less a soldier's weapon than an assassin's tool. The U.S.
manufactured them by the million during the war, not for our own forces but rather to be air-dropped behind German lines to resistance
units in occupied Europe. Crude and slow (the fired case had to be knocked out of the breech by means of a little wooden dowel, a fresh
round procured from the storage area in the grip and then manually reloaded and cocked) and so wildly inaccurate it couldn't hit the
broad side of a French barn at 50 meters, to the Resistance man or woman who had no firearm it still looked pretty darn good.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Eschwantz/onlinestorage/liberator.jpg
WWII Liberator Pistol cal. 45ACP

The theory and practice of it was this:

    First, you approach a German sentry with your little pistol hidden in your coat pocket and, with Academy-award sincerity, ask him for a light for your cigarette (or the time the train leaves for Paris, or if he wants to buy some non-army-issue food or a half- hour with your "sister"). When he smiles and casts a nervous glance down the street to see where his Sergeant is at, you blow his brains out with your first and only shot, then take his rifle and ammunition. Your next few minutes are occupied with "getting out of Dodge," for such critters generally go around in packs. After that (assuming you evade your late benefactor's friends) you keep the rifle and hand your little pistol to a fellow Resistance fighter so they can go get their own rifle.

    Or maybe you then use your rifle to get a submachine gun from the Sergeant when he comes running. Perhaps you get very lucky and pickup a light machine gun, two boxes of ammunition and a haversack of hand grenades. With two of the grenades and the expenditure of a half-a-box of ammunition at a hasty roadblock the next night, you and your friends get a truck full of arms and ammunition. (Some of the cargo is sticky with "Boche" blood, but you don't mind terribly.)

    Pretty soon you've got the best armed little maquis unit in your part of France, all from that cheap little pistol and the guts to use it. (One wonders if the current political elite's opposition to so-called "Saturday Night Specials" doesn't come from some adopted racial memory of previous failed tyrants. Even cheap little pistols are a threat to oppressive regimes.)

They called the pistol the "Liberator." Not a bad name, all in all.

Now let's consider the strategic aspect of the question, "What good can a handgun do against an army....?" We have seen that even a poor pistol can make a great deal of difference to the military career and postwar plans of one enemy soldier. That's tactical. But consider what a million pistols, or a hundred million pistols (which may approach the actual number of handguns in the U.S. today), can mean to the military planner who seeks to carry out operations against a populace so armed. Mention "Afghanistan" or "Chechnya" to a member of the current Russian military hierarchy and watch them shudder at the bloody memories. Then you begin to get the idea that modern munitions, air superiority and overwhelming, precision-guided violence still are not enough to make victory certain when the targets are not sitting Christmas- present fashion out in the middle of the desert.

"A billion here, a billion there, sooner or later it adds up to real money." --Everett Dirksen

Consider that there are at least as many firearms-- handguns, rifles and shotguns-- as there are citizens of the United States. Consider that last year there were more than 14 million Americans who bought licenses to hunt deer in the country. 14 million-- that's a number greater than the largest five professional armies in the world combined. Consider also that those deer hunters are not only armed, but they own items of military utility-- everything from camouflage clothing to infrared "game finders", Global Positioning System devices and night vision scopes.

Consider also that quite a few of these hunters are military veterans. Just as moving around in the woods and stalking game are second nature, military operations are no mystery to them, especially those who were on the receiving end of guerrilla war in Southeast Asia. Indeed, such men, aging though they may be, may be more psychologically prepared for the exigencies of civil war (for this is what we are talking about) than their younger active-duty brother-soldiers whose only military experience involved neatly defined enemies and fronts in the Grand Campaign against Saddam. Not since 1861-1865 has the American military attempted to wage a war athwart its own logistical tail (nor indeed has it ever had to use modern conventional munitions on the Main Streets of its own hometowns and through its relatives' backyards, nor has it tested the obedience of soldiers who took a very different oath with orders to kill their "rebellious" neighbors, but that touches on the political aspect of the question).

But forget the psychological and political for a moment, and consider just the numbers. To paraphrase the Senator, "A million pistols here, a million rifles there, pretty soon you're talking serious firepower." No one, repeat, no one, will conquer America, from within or without, until its citizenry are disarmed. We remain, as a British officer had reason to complain at the start of our Revolution, "a people numerous and armed."

The Second Amendment is a political issue today only because of the military reality that underlies it. Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. People who fear their government's intentions refuse to be disarmed. The Founders understood this. So, too, does every tyrant who ever lived. Liberty-loving Americans forget it at their peril. Until they do, American gunowners in the aggregate represent a strategic military fact and an impediment to foreign tyranny. They also represent the greatest political challenge to home-grown would-be tyrants. If the people cannot be forcibly disarmed against their will, then they must be persuaded to give up their arms voluntarily. This is the siren song of "gun control," which is to say "government control of all guns," although few self-respecting gun-grabbers would be quite so bold as to phrase it so honestly.

Joseph Stalin, when informed after World War II that the Pope disapproved of Russian troops occupying Trieste, turned to his advisors and asked, "The Pope? The Pope? How many divisions does he have?" Dictators are unmoved by moral suasion. Fortunately, our Founders saw the wisdom of backing the First Amendment up with the Second. The "divisions" of the army of American constitutional liberty get into their cars and drive to work in this country every day to jobs that are hardly military in nature. Most of them are unmindful of the service they provide. Their arms depots may be found in innumerable closets, gunracks and gunsafes. They have no appointed officers, nor will they need any until they are mobilized by events. Such guardians of our liberty perform this service merely by existing. And although they may be an ever-diminishing minority within their own country, as gun ownership is demonized and discouraged by the ruling elites, still they are as yet more than enough to perform their vital task. And if they are unaware of the impediment they present to their would-be rulers, their would-be rulers are painfully aware of these "divisions of liberty", as evidenced by their incessant calls for individual disarmament. They understand moral versus military force just as clearly as Stalin, but they would not be so indelicate as to quote him.

The Roman Republic failed because they could not successfully answer the question, "Who Shall Guard the Guards?" The Founders of this Republic answered that question with both the First and Second Amendments. Like Stalin, the Clintonistas could care less what common folk say about them, but the concept of the armed citizenry as guarantors of their own liberties sets their teeth on edge and disturbs their statist sleep.

Governments, some great men once avowed, derive their legitimacy from "the consent of the governed." In the country that these men founded, it should not be required to remind anyone that the people do not obtain their natural, God-given liberties by "the consent of the Government." Yet in this century, our once great constitutional republic has been so profaned in the pursuit of power and social engineering by corrupt leaders as to be unrecognizable to the Founders. And in large measure we have ourselves to blame because at each crucial step along the way the usurpers of our liberties have obtained the consent of a majority of the governed to do what they have done, often in the name of "democracy"-- a political system rejected by the Founders. Another good friend of mine gave the best description of pure democracy I have ever heard. "Democracy," he concluded, "is three wolves and a sheep sitting down to vote on what to have for dinner." The rights of the sheep in this system are by no means guaranteed.

Now it is true that our present wolf-like, would-be rulers do not as yet seek to eat that sheep and its peaceable wooly cousins (We, the people). They are, however, most desirous that the sheep be shorn of taxes, and if possible and when necessary, be reminded of their rightful place in society as "good citizen sheep" whose safety from the big bad wolves outside their barn doors is only guaranteed by the omni-presence in the barn of the "good wolves" of the government. Indeed, they do not present themselves as wolves at all, but rather these lupines parade around in sheep's clothing, bleating insistently in falsetto about the welfare of the flock and the necessity to surrender liberty and property "for the children", er, ah, I mean "the lambs." In order to ensure future generations of compliant sheep, they are careful to educate the lambs in the way of "political correctness," tutoring them in the totalitarian faiths that "it takes a barnyard to raise a lamb" and "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

Every now and then, some tough old independent-minded ram refuses to be shorn and tries to remind the flock that they once decided affairs themselves according to the rule of law of their ancestors, and without the help of their "betters." When that happens, the fangs become apparent and the conspicuously unwilling are shunned, cowed, driven off or (occasionally) killed. But flashing teeth or not, the majority of the flock has learned over time not to resist the Lupine-Mandarin class which herds it. Their Founders, who were fiercely independent rams, would have long ago chased off such usurpers. Any present members of the flock who think like that are denounced as antediluvian or mentally deranged.

There are some of these dissidents the lupines would like to punish, but they dare not-- for their teeth are every bit as long as their "betters." Indeed, this is the reason the wolves haven't eaten any sheep in generations. To the wolves chagrin, this portion of the flock is armed and they outnumber the wolves by a considerable margin. For now the wolves are content to watch the numbers of these "armed sheep" diminish, as long teeth are no longer fashionable in polite society. (Indeed, they are considered by the literati to be an anachronism best forgotten and such sheep are dismissed by the Mandarins as "Tooth Nuts" or "Right Leg Fanatics".) When the numbers of armed sheep fall below a level that wolves can feel safe to do so, the eating will begin. The wolves are patient, and proceed by infinitesimal degrees like the slowly-boiling frog. It took them generations to lull the sheep into accepting them as rulers instead of elected representatives. If it takes another generation or two of sheep to complete the process, the wolves can wait. This is our "Animal Farm," without apology to George Orwell.

Even so, the truth is that one man with a pistol CAN defeat an army, given a righteous cause to fight for, enough determination to risk death for that cause, and enough brains, luck and friends to win the struggle. This is true in war but also in politics, and it is not necessary to be a Prussian militarist to see it. The dirty little secret of today's ruling elite as represented by the Clintonistas is that they want people of conscience and principle to be divided in as many ways as possible ("wedge issues" the consultants call them) so that they may be more easily manipulated. No issue of race, religion, class or economics is left unexploited. Lost in the din of jostling special interests are the few voices who point out that if we refuse to be divided from what truly unites us as a people, we cannot be defeated on the large issues of principle, faith, the constitutional republic and the rule of law. More importantly, woe and ridicule will be heaped upon anyone who points out that like the blustering Wizard of Oz, the federal tax and regulation machine is not as omniscient, omnipotent or fearsome as they would have us believe. Like the Wizard, they fan the scary flames higher and shout, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

For the truth is, they are frightened that we will find out how pitifully few they are compared to the mass of the citizenry they seek to frighten into compliance with their tax collections, property seizures and bureaucratic, unconstitutional power-shifting. I strongly recommend everyone see the new animated movie "A Bug's Life". Simple truths may often be found sheltering beneath unlikely overhangs, there protected from the pelting storm of lies that soak us everyday.

"A Bug's Life", a childrens' movie of all things, is just such a place.

    The plot revolves around an ant hill on an unnamed island, where the ants placate predatory grasshoppers by offering them each year one-half of the food they gather (sounds a lot like the IRS, right?). Driven to desperation by the insatiable tax demands of the large, fearsome grasshoppers, one enterprising ant goes abroad seeking bug mercenaries who will return with him and defend the anthill when the grasshoppers return. (If this sounds a lot like an animated "Magnificent Seven", you're right.)

    The grasshoppers (who roar about like some biker gang or perhaps the ATF in black helicopters, take your pick) are, at one point in the movie, lounging around in a bug cantina down in Mexico, living off the bounty of the land. The harvest seeds they eat are dispensed one at a time from an upturned bar bottle. Two grasshoppers suggest to their leader, a menacing fellow named "Hopper" (whose voice characterization by Kevin Spacey is suitably evil personified), that they should forget about the poor ants on the island. Here, they say, we can live off the fat of the land, why worry about some upstart ants? Hopper turns on them instantly. "Would you like a seed?" he quietly asks one. "Sure," answers the skeptical grasshopper thug. "Would you like one?" Hopper asks the other. "Yeah," says he. Hopper manipulates the spigot on the bar bottle twice, and distributes the seeds to them.

    "So, you want to know why we have to go back to the island, do you?" Hopper asks menacingly as the thugs munch on their seeds. "I'll show you why!" he shouts, removing the cap from the bottle entirely with one quick blow. The seeds, no longer restrained by the cap, respond to gravity and rush out all at once, inundating the two grasshoppers and crushing them. Hopper turns to his remaining fellow grasshoppers and shrieks, "That's why!"

I'm paraphrasing from memory here, for I've only seen the movie once. But Hopper then explains, "Don't you remember the upstart ant on that island? They outnumber us a hundred to one. How long do you think we'll last if they ever figure that out?"

    "If the ants are not frightened of us," Hopper tells them, "our game is finished. We're finished."

Of course it comes as no surprise that in the end the ants figure that out. Would that liberty-loving Americans were as smart as animated ants.

Courage to stand against tyranny, fortunately, is not only found on videotape. Courage flowers from the heart, from the twin roots of deeply-held principle and faith in God. There are American heroes living today who have not yet performed the deeds of principled courage that future history books will record. They have not yet had to stand in the gap, to plug it with their own fragile bodies and lives against the evil that portends. Not yet have they been required to pledge "their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor." Yet they will have to. I believe with all my heart the lesson that history teaches: That each and every generation of Americans is given, along with the liberty and opportunity that is their heritage, the duty to defend America against the tyrannies of their day. Our father's father's fathers fought this same fight. Our mother's mother's mothers fought it as well. From the Revolution through the world wars, from the Cold War through to the Gulf, they fought to secure their liberty in conflicts great and small, within and without.

They stood faithful to the oath that our Founders gave us: To bear true faith and allegiance-- not to a man; not to the land; not to a political party, but to an idea. The idea is liberty, as codified in the Constitution of the United States. We swear, as did they, an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And throughout the years they paid in blood and treasure the terrible price of that oath. That was their day. This is ours. The clouds we can see on the horizon may be a simple rain or a vast hurricane, but there is a storm coming. Make no mistake.

Lincoln said that this nation cannot long exist half slave and half free. I say, if I may humbly paraphrase, that this nation cannot long exist one-third slave, one-third uncommitted, and one-third free. The slavery today is of the mind and soul not the body, but is slavery without a doubt that the Clintons and their toadies are pushing.

It is slavery to worship our nominally-elected representatives as our rulers instead of requiring their trustworthiness as our servants. It is slavery of the mind and soul that demands that God-given rights that our Forefathers secured with their blood and sacrifice be traded for false security of a nanny-state which will tend to our "legitimate needs" as they are perceived by that government.

It is slavery to worship humanism as religion and slavery to deny life and liberty to unborn Americans. As people of faith in God, whatever our denomination, we are in bondage to a plantation system that steals our money; seizes our property; denies our ancient liberties; denies even our very history, supplanting it with sanitized and politicized "correctness"; denies our children a real public education; denies them even the mention of God in school; denies, in fact, the very existence of God.

So finally we are faced with, we must return to, the moral component of the question: "What good can a handgun do against an army?" The answer is "Nothing," or "Everything." The outcome depends upon the mind and heart and soul of the man or woman who holds it. One may also ask, "What good can a sling in the hands of a boy do against a marauding giant?" If your cause is just and righteous much can be done, but only if you are willing to risk the consequences of failure and to bear the burdens of eternal vigilance.

A new friend of mine gave me a plaque the other day. Upon it is written these words by Winston Churchill, a man who knew much about fighting tyranny:

    "Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Winston Churchill

The Spartans at Thermopolae knew this. The fighting Jews of Masada knew this, when every man, woman and child died rather than submit to Roman tyranny. The Texans who died at the Alamo knew this. The frozen patriots of Valley Forge knew this. The "expendable men" of Bataan and Corregidor knew this. If there is one lesson of Hitlerism and the Holocaust, it is that free men, if they wish to remain free, must resist would-be tyrants at the first opportunity and at every opportunity. Remember that whether they the come as conquerors or elected officials, the men who secretly wish to be your murderers must first convince you that you must accept them as your masters. Free men and women must not wait until they are "selected", divided and herded into Warsaw Ghettos, there to finally fight desperately, almost without weapons, and die outnumbered.

The tyrant must be met at the door when he appears. At your door, or mine, wherever he shows his bloody appetite. He must be met by the pistol which can defeat an army. He must be met at every door, for in truth we outnumber him and his henchmen. It matters not whether they call themselves Communists or Nazis or something else. It matters not what flag they fly, nor what uniform they wear. It matters not what excuses they give for stealing your liberty, your property or your life. "By their works ye shall know them."

The time is late. Those who once has trouble reading the hour on their watches have no trouble seeing by the glare of the fire at Waco. Few of us realized at the time that the Constitution was burning right along with the Davidians. Now we know better.

We have had the advantage of that horrible illumination for more than five years now-- five years in which the rule of law and the battered old parchment of our beloved Constitution have been smashed, shredded and besmirched by the Clintonistas. In this process they have been aided and abetted by the cowardly incompetence of the "opposition" Republican leadership, a fact made crystal clear by the Waco hearings. They have forgotten Daniel Webster's warning: "Miracles do not cluster. Hold on to the Constitution of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands-- what has happened once in six thousand years may never happen again. Hold on to your Constitution, for if the American Constitution shall fail there will be anarchy throughout the world."

Yet being able to see what has happened has not helped us reverse, or even slow, the process. The sad fact is that we may have to resign ourselves to the prospect of having to maintain our principles and our liberty in the face of becoming a disenfranchised minority within our own country.

The middle third of the populace, it seems, will continue to waffle in favor of the enemies of the Constitution until their comfort level with the economy is endangered. They've got theirs, Jack. The Republicans, who we thought could represent our interests and protect the Constitution and the rule of law, have been demonstrated to be political eunuchs. Alan Keyes was dead right when he characterized the last election as one between "the lawless Democrats and the gutless Republicans." The spectacular political failures of our current leaders are unrivaled in our history unless you recall the unprincipled jockeying for position and tragi-comedy of misunderstanding and miscommunication which lead to our first Civil War.

And make no mistake, it is civil war which may be the most horrible corollary of the Law of Unintended Consequences as it applies to the Clintonistas and their destruction of the rule of law. Because such people have no cause for which they are willing to die (all morality being relativistic to them, and all principles compromisable), they cannot fathom the motives or behavior of people who believe that there are some principles worth fighting and dying for. Out of such failures of understanding come wars. Particularly because although such elitists would not risk their own necks in a fight, they have no compunction about ordering others in their pay to fight for them. It is not the deaths of others, but their own deaths, that they fear. As a Christian, I cannot fear my own death, but rather I am commanded by my God to live in such a way as to make my death a homecoming. That this makes me incomprehensible and threatening to those who wish to be my masters is something I can do little about. I would suggest to them that they not poke their godless, tyrannical noses down my alley. As the coiled rattlesnake flag of the Revolution bluntly stated: "Don't Tread on Me!" Or, as our state motto here in Alabama says: "We Dare Defend Our Rights."

But can a handgun defeat an army? Yes. It remains to be seen whether the struggle of our generation against the tyrants of our day in the first decade of the 21st Century will bring a restoration of liberty and the rule of law or a dark and bloody descent into chaos and slavery.

If it is to be the former, I will meet you at the new Yorktown. If it is to be the latter, I will meet you at Masada. But I will not be a slave. And I know that whether we succeed or fail, if we should fall along the way our graves will one day be visited by other free Americans, thanking us that we did not forget that, with the help of Almighty God, in the hands of a free man a handgun CAN defeat a tyrant's army.

(Note) Thanks to Transsylvania Phoenix for his blog and of course thanks to Mike Vanderboegh for writing.  I'm posting this here in this forum at the request of Raven.

http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-good-can-handgun-do-against-army.html

oiram
26-02-2009, 11:34 PM
They are trying to take you're guns shows me there fear & they should fear what they are creating them self's!


They better find another place to live!

To fight a army you target there big mouth Leaders.

No leader no instructions no instructions all ends there!

A person which defends his life is different to a person which fights on commands!

Every Soldier every Police man better makes sure his family is not around when he tries to murder his own!

Soldiers work by rules & on orders .... self Defenders don't have rules they use what ever means are available to them.

http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/beerchug.gifSneaky Sneaky is the Key & Sneaky we would be should they turn the Key!   http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/beerchug.gif 

If I would be one of them I would shit my pans & have sleepless nights never knowing who looks for them & there Family!

WOW!  are they in the Shits! Nowhere to go nowhere to hide! http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/stirthepot.gif

Don't ever surrender your guns never ever!

hunter77
26-02-2009, 11:51 PM
a gun is better than no gun. just because the odds may seem impossible doesn ,t mean you cant cause chaos. take the french( RESISTANCE) OR THE CHECHNYNS as an example. all iam saying is any shift of odds in your favour is a good thing:):)

oiram
27-02-2009, 12:14 AM
I prefer this any time because ....... 90 meters Plus danger zone!
You know what this can do in the right Hands http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/Die_Lol.gif & the proper set of arrows!
Do you know how many master Archers there are world wide .. "Many let me tell you"
Sneaky Sneaky we would be should you turn the wrong key!
http://barathings.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/441568gif.jpg
http://www.harmanarchery.com/5_collectibles_arrowsall.jpg
http://www.stikage.com/images/products/arch_crossbow.gifhttp://www.northcountrygear.com/ProdImages/ridgeline.gifhttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Egz4PIDtlyH8_M:http://www.gameandfishmag.com/Bowhunting2_325.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1415588/2/istockphoto_1415588-broadhead-arrows.jpghttp://www.hunter-ed.com/images/graphics/arrowhead_expandable.gif
Painful Painful I would say!



Size is no problem and Kevlar also will not make much difference!
http://www.eliteoutfitters.com/images/Shannon-Payne-Elk-2007-001.jpghttp://www.eliteoutfitters.com/images/Jarret-Southard-Elk-2008-01.jpg

the itinerant shrubber
27-02-2009, 10:09 AM
I prefer this any time because ....... 90 meters Plus danger zone!
You know what this can do in the right Hands http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/Die_Lol.gif & the proper set of arrows!
Do you know how many master Archers there are world wide .. "Many let me tell you"
Sneaky Sneaky we would be should you turn the wrong key!
http://barathings.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/441568gif.jpg
http://www.harmanarchery.com/5_collectibles_arrowsall.jpg
http://www.stikage.com/images/products/arch_crossbow.gifhttp://www.northcountrygear.com/ProdImages/ridgeline.gifhttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Egz4PIDtlyH8_M:http://www.gameandfishmag.com/Bowhunting2_325.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1415588/2/istockphoto_1415588-broadhead-arrows.jpghttp://www.hunter-ed.com/images/graphics/arrowhead_expandable.gif
Painful Painful I would say!



Size is no problem and Kevlar also will not make much difference!
http://www.eliteoutfitters.com/images/Shannon-Payne-Elk-2007-001.jpghttp://www.eliteoutfitters.com/images/Jarret-Southard-Elk-2008-01.jpg

Amen to that.

foxcroft
27-02-2009, 06:55 PM
Sick bow... I was looking for an alternative to a handgun and this looks fantastic! Thanks for the recommendation!

Sick arrows!

the itinerant shrubber
27-02-2009, 08:03 PM
I used to have a pistol xbow like the one in the picture. Bagged a few pheasents with it too.

marpat
27-02-2009, 08:27 PM
They are trying to take you're guns shows me there fear & they should fear what they are creating them self's!


They better find another place to live!

To fight a army you target there big mouth Leaders.

No leader no instructions no instructions all ends there!

A person which defends his life is different to a person which fights on commands!

Every Soldier every Police man better makes sure his family is not around when he tries to murder his own!

Soldiers work by rules & on orders .... self Defenders don't have rules they use what ever means are available to them.

http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/beerchug.gifSneaky Sneaky is the Key & Sneaky we would be should they turn the Key!   http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/beerchug.gif 

If I would be one of them I would shit my pans & have sleepless nights never knowing who looks for them & there Family!

WOW!  are they in the Shits! Nowhere to go nowhere to hide! http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/stirthepot.gif

Don't ever surrender your guns never ever!




Actually the laws that made it harder for people to hold guns were put into place after the Russian revolution. The British government feared a revolution from the troops returning from the trenches and began to make it harder to acquire weapons.

Actually you will find that modern armies teach their troops to act with some degree of independence so that if leaders are killed they can still carry on. Kill a general and he will be replaced.

Soldiers actions are dictated by the law. If they act outside of that then they can be jailed. Look at the case of Private Lee Clegg in Northern Ireland.

hunter77
27-02-2009, 09:08 PM
Actually the laws that made it harder for people to hold guns were put into place after the Russian revolution. The British government feared a revolution from the troops returning from the trenches and began to make it harder to acquire weapons.

Actually you will find that modern armies teach their troops to act with some degree of independence so that if leaders are killed they can still carry on. Kill a general and he will be replaced.

Soldiers actions are dictated by the law. If they act outside of that then they can be jailed. Look at the case of Private Lee Clegg in Northern Ireland.

see your point, but this post is on about the worst case scenario. a case that would see the army of one country killing the people it is supposed to protect.
if you took away the people giving the orders , the normall squaddie would probably think" fuck this for a game of soldiers" pun intended.
as for lee clegg that a different story , he is what would now be classed a political prisoner.:)

jonas parker
28-02-2009, 08:28 PM
Oiram, great post! Thank you!

oiram
28-02-2009, 09:33 PM
Oiram, great post! Thank you!Yes we need solutions, ideas, spirit & inspirations!

Nothing is hopeless there are thousands of good ideas if people would only wake up!

We are not the once which have to worry about anything; the attackers have to worry if they go to far with there devious plans against Humanity!

They intimidating us on a daily base.

So we should have all right to defend our self's we did not create all this mess "They did!"

Don't do to others which you don't like to be done to you're self! "Very Simple Rule for ALL"

Unless they oppose it, they will be blamed for it. If they defend it, they are part of it.

pumma
28-02-2009, 11:06 PM
An amazing read and funny too!

Thanks Oiram!



Rules are for idiots, Genius can handle Caos! :D

oiram
01-03-2009, 04:29 AM
An amazing read and funny too!

Thanks Oiram!

Rules are for idiots, Genius can handle Caos! :D
An amazing read and funny too! = Hah! ...... You did not see my next post! :D :eek: & I am not joking either.

oiram
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People are really scared, or really awake to the fact that forces are at work to make firearms ownership illegal for everyone except them, and criminals, of course.

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Sick arrows!

It is a compound Bow.
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He will be stripping it / cleaning it / firing it & being fairly accurate, if you have taught him to abandon 'spray & pray' in favour of semi-auto & good fire discipline.
7.62 ammunition is going to be easier to find than very specialist composite arrows..............
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marpat
01-03-2009, 10:21 AM
see your point, but this post is on about the worst case scenario. a case that would see the army of one country killing the people it is supposed to protect.
if you took away the people giving the orders , the normall squaddie would probably think" fuck this for a game of soldiers" pun intended.
as for lee clegg that a different story , he is what would now be classed a political prisoner.:)

This cannot legally happen. A soldier is not obliged to follow illegal orders. More to the point they are supposed to refuse them. This means that should the order to kill civilians be given that the soldiers duty is to not do it.

Do you really think that soldiers would fire on people who may be relative or friend of the people they are working with? what do you think would happen if somebody shot 10 friends of somebody who is actually a soldier with a rifle? you would probably find they eneded up shooting each other.

I am in the forces myself but if I was ever told to carry out such an act I would just put my rifle down and refuse to do it. I would not be obliged to do it carry out such an order.

People seem to think that soldiers obey orders without ever thinking about them or the consequences but this is just not true, at least not in all cases. You will always have your retards who enjoy being told what to do.

ronnie kray
01-03-2009, 10:23 AM
Size is no problem and Kevlar also will not make much difference!

7.62 Ammo would bring that Stag down.
Kevlar is not going to stop it either, hence the body armour that US forces wear ATM.

ronnie kray
01-03-2009, 10:43 AM
This cannot legally happen.

In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law. It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."
This cannot legally happen. A soldier is not obliged to follow illegal orders. More to the point they are supposed to refuse them. This means that should the order to kill civilians be given that the soldiers duty is to not do it.

Do you really think that soldiers would fire on people who may be relative or friend of the people they are working with? what do you think would happen if somebody shot 10 friends of somebody who is actually a soldier with a rifle? you would probably find they eneded up shooting each other.

I am in the forces myself but if I was ever told to carry out such an act I would just put my rifle down and refuse to do it. I would not be obliged to do it carry out such an order.

People seem to think that soldiers obey orders without ever thinking about them or the consequences but this is just not true, at least not in all cases. You will always have your retards who enjoy being told what to do.

Your naivete is alarming for someone who is in the forces.

You ever heard of 'Blackwater' ?, the guys on 'PSD' who get paid more than 10 times the amount you guys get !!!, LOLOLOLZ.
The troops in question would be mostly foreign nationals.

Blackwater has hired commandos from Chile FFS, ones who carried out genocide for Pinochet !!!.
Know much about that ?, it's public record.
Research (as I have done) the public record / books, on Blackwater / other private security forces.
They are mercenary sociopaths, just the kind of cut throats for the job at hand wouldn't you say ?.

marpat
01-03-2009, 12:12 PM
In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law. It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."


Your naivete is alarming for someone who is in the forces.

You ever heard of 'Blackwater' ?, the guys on 'PSD' who get paid more than 10 times the amount you guys get !!!, LOLOLOLZ.
The troops in question would be mostly foreign nationals.

Blackwater has hired commandos from Chile FFS, ones who carried out genocide for Pinochet !!!.
Know much about that ?, it's public record.
Research (as I have done) the public record / books, on Blackwater / other private security forces.
They are mercenary sociopaths, just the kind of cut throats for the job at hand wouldn't you say ?.


But I am not American. I guess the laws I am bound to are not the same as those cowboys.

entrangermercenary
01-03-2009, 12:43 PM
In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law. It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."


Your naivete is alarming for someone who is in the forces.

You ever heard of 'Blackwater' ?, the guys on 'PSD' who get paid more than 10 times the amount you guys get !!!, LOLOLOLZ.
The troops in question would be mostly foreign nationals.

Blackwater has hired commandos from Chile FFS, ones who carried out genocide for Pinochet !!!.
Know much about that ?, it's public record.
Research (as I have done) the public record / books, on Blackwater / other private security forces.
They are mercenary sociopaths, just the kind of cut throats for the job at hand wouldn't you say ?.


lol mercenary sciopaths. AS they are not covered under any convention feel free to do with them what you want when u capture some , as they will do with you :D

Am I correct in thinking most states have militias?? National guard ?? So they are going to stand idley by while a few chilean commandos try and subdue the population?? Then we have the gangs !! . Mexican, blacks whites Asian well armed and defending there " TURF" , which they know like the backs of there hands.

Its either going to be all out civil war or fuck all.

storm knight
01-03-2009, 03:55 PM
It might not be any use, but I remember hearing drills of approaching the enemy or fortified positions. Like a platoon will ask one friend to run forward to see if he gets shot, he will dive on the floor (if not dead already) and then if he doesnt get shot this will be the sign all is clear and the platoon will move forward as 'one' at this stage would be best to shoot them.

Also why would a US soldier disobey orders if he's got a RFID chip tracking him, he can't hide anywhere.

exmicrochipmafia
01-03-2009, 03:59 PM
lol mercenary sciopaths. AS they are not covered under any convention feel free to do with them what you want when u capture some , as they will do with you :D

Am I correct in thinking most states have militias?? National guard ?? So they are going to stand idley by while a few chilean commandos try and subdue the population?? Then we have the gangs !! . Mexican, blacks whites Asian well armed and defending there " TURF" , which they know like the backs of there hands.

Its either going to be all out civil war or fuck all.


Good point. All the gangs in existence, are by in large, more heavily armed than their local police departments and have the intimate knowledge of their turfs (neighborhoods). The theory of martial law would work but the practicallity of it would be the opposite side of the coin. A lot of people would simply not obey.

marpat
01-03-2009, 04:48 PM
It might not be any use, but I remember hearing drills of approaching the enemy or fortified positions. Like a platoon will ask one friend to run forward to see if he gets shot, he will dive on the floor (if not dead already) and then if he doesnt get shot this will be the sign all is clear and the platoon will move forward as 'one' at this stage would be best to shoot them.

Also why would a US soldier disobey orders if he's got a RFID chip tracking him, he can't hide anywhere.

Dont know where you read those drills but they sound like shit. Modern tactics are a lot more sophisticated than that. I have never heard such rubbish so I would have to assume that your information source is completely wrong, or maybe reading a WWI army manual.

ronnie kray
01-03-2009, 06:56 PM
But I am not American. I guess the laws I am bound to are not the same as those cowboys.

British troops are very unlikely to be called in to act in a civilian control capacity.

You will most likely be sent to some other country to act in a civilian control capacity, under the long arm of the 'NATO'.
Should you decide to follow orders & ship out for your tour................

ronnie kray
01-03-2009, 07:19 PM
Then we have the gangs !! . Mexican, blacks whites Asian well armed and defending there " TURF" , which they know like the backs of there hands.

Its either going to be all out civil war or fuck all.

No, I am glad that you are so confident.
In spite of the laws that have been slipped through.

BTW we are talking a little more than a few Chilean commandos, the Blackwater guys have been in urban combat situations for over 5 years now.
Not to mention all the other 'PS' contractors that will be called in.

You honestly think a bunch of 'rag-tag' militias & some 'gang bangers' - with a few M4's / AK's / the odd MAC 10 & various hand guns, are going to keep well trained military personnel, with over 5 years experience in urban combat situations at bay for long ?.
Not forgetting, of course, the hardware the stormtroopers are going to have access too.

hunter77
01-03-2009, 07:26 PM
No, I glad that you are so confident.
In spite of the laws that have been slipped through.

BTW we are talking a little more than a few Chilean commandos, the Blackwater guys have been in urban combat situations for over 5 years now.
Not to mention all the other 'PS' contractors that will be called in.

You honestly think a bunch of 'rag-tag' militias & some 'gang bangers' - with a few M4's / AK's / the odd MAC 10 & various hand guns, are going to keep well trained military personnel, with over 5 years experience in urban combat situations, at bay for long ?.
Not forgetting, of course, the hardware the stormtroopers are going to have access too.

is ronnie kray the gay one?
dont overesimate ground troops, its the air force you want to worry about!
but if there nato they will probably be shitting it over friendly fire:D

ronnie kray
01-03-2009, 07:36 PM
is ronnie kray the gay one?
dont overesimate ground troops, its the air force you want to worry about!
but if there nato they will probably be shitting it over friendly fire:D

I was Bisexual !.
My brother also had a relationship with his cell mate (so we both were) in Maidstone prison.

& yeah, you are right, the Blue on Blue figures are horrendous, but when you are calling in air - danger close that often, what do you think is going to happen ?.

storm knight
02-03-2009, 07:50 PM
Dont know where you read those drills but they sound like shit. Modern tactics are a lot more sophisticated than that. I have never heard such rubbish so I would have to assume that your information source is completely wrong, or maybe reading a WWI army manual.

I still think it's the way to go, some unexpected tactics on an enemy are always effective if you know your enemy.

Not everyone is a tactician but it's the route I would go.

ronnie kray
02-03-2009, 08:51 PM
I still think it's the way to go, some unexpected tactics on an enemy are always effective if you know your enemy.

Not everyone is a tactician but it's the route I would go.

If you are talking insurgent activity.
Take a look at the casualty rates in Fallujah alone.

Insurgent vs 'US' !!!!!.............
No contest.

entrangermercenary
02-03-2009, 10:11 PM
No, I am glad that you are so confident.
In spite of the laws that have been slipped through.

BTW we are talking a little more than a few Chilean commandos, the Blackwater guys have been in urban combat situations for over 5 years now.
Not to mention all the other 'PS' contractors that will be called in.

You honestly think a bunch of 'rag-tag' militias & some 'gang bangers' - with a few M4's / AK's / the odd MAC 10 & various hand guns, are going to keep well trained military personnel, with over 5 years experience in urban combat situations at bay for long ?.
Not forgetting, of course, the hardware the stormtroopers are going to have access too.

Yes v confident:D Colombian commandos were numbered as 35, Chilean commandos no number but lets say and b generous 3000 .Actual number is122. Black water numbers in total 50000.

http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23224

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Blackwater_USA

So Rag tag militias eh !! Think you will find a lot of these well armed and trained and full of ex military as well as civvies. The gangs , well they got numbers and drugs to get fucked up with. Amazing how brave they get on drugs look what the Somalians did to the yanks in Mogadishu while fucked up on khat!!
Then we have the normal Joe in the street lightly armed , military units that would not obey an order to fire on civvies as well as the national guard :D

So all in all I think we will have a highly motivated , well armed guerrilla fighting force fighting on home turf , for there loved ones and home. Remember it only takes 1 bullet from any old shit rifle to kill !!

BRING IT ON :D

ronnie kray
03-03-2009, 09:57 AM
Yes v confident:D Colombian commandos were numbered as 35, Chilean commandos no number but lets say and b generous 3000 .Actual number is122. Black water numbers in total 50000.
BRING IT ON :D

How many 'Raptors' with these rag-tag malitias / gang bangers have ??.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teb4NvBLVWg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW2Hvu_mUdU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teb4NvBLVWg&feature=related

The only Gen-5 fighter aircraft in the world (note - NOT FOR EXPORT)
The Raptor is designed to carry air-to-air missiles in internal weapons bays, both to avoid disrupting its stealth capability and to reduce drag resulting in higher top speeds and longer combat ranges. Launching missiles requires opening the weapons bay doors for less than a second, while the missiles are pushed clear of the airframe by hydraulic arms. The aircraft can also carry bombs compatible with the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) guidance system, and the new Small-Diameter Bomb (SDB). The Raptor carries an M61A2 Vulcan 20 mm rotary cannon, also with a trap door, in the right wing root. The M61A2 is a last ditch weapon, and carries only 480 rounds; enough ammunition for approximately five seconds of sustained fire. Despite this, the F-22 has been able to use its gun in dogfighting without being detected, which can be necessary when missiles are depleted.
In testing, a Raptor dropped a 1,000 lb (450 kg) JDAM from 50,000 feet (15,000 m), while cruising at Mach 1.5, striking a moving target 24 miles (39 km) awad. The SDB, as employed from the F-22, should see even greater increases in effective range, due to the improved lift to drag ratio of these weapons.

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How about the M1 Abrams Tank ??.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk9BiypNxQM

No need to go into the list of armaments this little baby carries, the vid speaks for it's self mate !!!!, LOLOLOLOLZ...........

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Take, for example - Mogadishu & Fallujah .
I take it you bring up Mogadishu because you have seen the 'HW' version of events (Blackhawk Down).
The only difference here is that they could not call in air / tanks, why, because the city was full of civilians - RULES OF ENGAGEMENT !!.

In Fallujah (if you had researched it, as I have) it was devoid of non-combatants & look at the insurgent casualty rates, FFS !!.
The 'US' forces fucking flattened that city.
The same - RULES OF ENGAGEMENT - would be employed once everyone who has not evacuated an area - HAS & WILL BE DEEMED - an enemy combatant.
Then it is party time ----------- 1000lb bombs will suck your insides out just with the shock wave, best of luck, BOY you are going to need it.
I will not be in the city when it get's to that stage....................

I will be in our secluded Villa in the foot hills of Monchique in the Algarve (population less than 750.000), right up in the national park, only 1 way into our valley from the road !!.

ronnie kray
03-03-2009, 10:26 AM
So Rag tag militias eh !! Think you will find a lot of these well armed and trained and full of ex military

Yeah, the insurgent militia in Fallujah was full of Iranian military personnel (this has been kept of the public record for the most part) who had how many years combat experience fighting the Iraqi's ??.
The F22's / Abrams, made fucking mince meat out of them.
You can ONLY FIGHT AIR WITH AIR (good luck with a gen-3 / 4 fighter against the Raptor) or Tanks with Tanks, Russian / Chinese RPG 7's are going to do fuck all, these are not armoured Humvee FFS !!.
Get a grip on the reality of the carnage.

ronnie kray
03-03-2009, 10:52 AM
Know we have had the starter, let us proceed to the main course.

The AC-130 spectre gun ship...................

The AC-130 is an excellent fire support platform with outstanding capabilities. With its extremely accurate fire control system, the AC-130 can place 105mm, 40mm and 25mm munitions on target with first round accuracy. The crew of these aircraft are extremely proficient working in military operations in urban terrain 'MOUT' environments.
These heavily-armed aircraft incorporate side-firing weapons integrated with sophisticated sensors, navigation and fire control systems to provide precision firepower or area-saturation fire with its varied armament. The AC-130 can spend long periods flying over their target area at night and in adverse weather. The sensor suite consists of a television sensor, infrared sensor, and radar. These sensors allow the gunship to visually or electronically identify friendly ground forces and targets in most weather conditions.
OMG when this thing is bringing you the - GOOD KNEWS - from above, you are NOT going to know much about it, LOLOLOLOLOLZ...............

ronnie kray
03-03-2009, 12:32 PM
Yes the first vid is a video game (before you point it out).
It is, however, an excellent simulation of the crew perspective from inside a Specter on live operations.

http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=1157

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If-oQXk0oI4

rixxmixxhell
05-03-2009, 05:23 PM
Thanks for posting - a good thread.

I'll post up some stuff when i have time.

At least i know people have the sense and fiber to become resistance.

Rick.

oiram
06-03-2009, 04:39 PM
Thanks for posting - a good thread.
I'll post up some stuff when i have time.
At least i know people have the sense and fiber to become resistance.
Rick.That's correct no need to be aggressive but showing preparedness & resistance is the way to keep a balance.

Don't ever be the aggressor or attacker but self defense is a natural Human law to protect your own life & the life of others which may get abused by any bully's.


Only scared Bully's will be the once which push to remove defensive weapons from the innocent & Victims.
Work together & look after each other is the Key for a good future!
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entrangermercenary
07-03-2009, 03:42 AM
That's correct no need to be aggressive but showing preparedness & resistance is the way to keep a balance.

Don't ever be the aggressor or attacker but self defense is a natural Human law to protect your own life & the life of others which may get abused by any bully's.


Only scared Bully's will be the once which push to remove defensive weapons from the innocent & Victims.
Work together & look after each other is the Key for a good future!
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/injustice.gif

HMMM Speed Aggression Surprise. Nothing wrong with a preemptive strike if its going to save you!! :)

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It created and funded Communism as an instrument to advance this goal, which involves dissolving all "collective forces" that might oppose it, including nation-state, race, religion and family.

Thus "Communism" far from being a relic of the Cold war era is, in different forms, still part of our lives, eroding the above institutions.

The "Cold War" continues as the "War on Terror" -- essentially another fraud calculated to control the masses and further concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the super rich.

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r4pture
12-12-2010, 09:50 PM
This cannot legally happen. A soldier is not obliged to follow illegal orders. More to the point they are supposed to refuse them. This means that should the order to kill civilians be given that the soldiers duty is to not do it.

Do you really think that soldiers would fire on people who may be relative or friend of the people they are working with? what do you think would happen if somebody shot 10 friends of somebody who is actually a soldier with a rifle? you would probably find they eneded up shooting each other.

I am in the forces myself but if I was ever told to carry out such an act I would just put my rifle down and refuse to do it. I would not be obliged to do it carry out such an order.

People seem to think that soldiers obey orders without ever thinking about them or the consequences but this is just not true, at least not in all cases. You will always have your retards who enjoy being told what to do.

Maybe you would not and maybe in an ideal world that is the case. Given an apocoly[pse synario The thing is there are some soldiers that WILL do it and you can pretty much guarentee the order would be given to shoot you for disobeying.

ashangel
18-12-2010, 06:14 AM
This cannot legally happen. A soldier is not obliged to follow illegal orders. More to the point they are supposed to refuse them. This means that should the order to kill civilians be given that the soldiers duty is to not do it.

Do you really think that soldiers would fire on people who may be relative or friend of the people they are working with? what do you think would happen if somebody shot 10 friends of somebody who is actually a soldier with a rifle? you would probably find they eneded up shooting each other.

I am in the forces myself but if I was ever told to carry out such an act I would just put my rifle down and refuse to do it. I would not be obliged to do it carry out such an order.

People seem to think that soldiers obey orders without ever thinking about them or the consequences but this is just not true, at least not in all cases. You will always have your retards who enjoy being told what to do.

I commend you for being of that opinion, but if that is the case why do you currently work for blood thirsty pirates and bankers? :confused:

As previously mentioned you would not be sent to england to participate in the coming cull, you will continue on as normal, operating in other countries who don't speak your language and the soldiers of those countries will be coming here. The soldiers with any hint of intelligence will be home protecting their families, those without will be slaughtering innocents, just as is happening right now in Afghanistahn and Iraq.

Sad but true, perhaps its time you reconsidered your options friend.

apollo_gnomon
18-12-2010, 07:15 AM
Like marpat, I'm in the military and know that if my unit were ordered to do stupid things to civilians we'd tell the COL to go stuff himself. In my case I'm in the National Guard, so if I were sent against civilians it would be my friends, neighbors, relatives and fellow citizens of my state.

You ask Marpat why he'd work for "blood thirsty pirates and bankers." I'd suggest your understanding of geopolitics and military structure is inadequate.

I joined the Army BECAUSE of Bush/Cheney and their idiotic unnecessary war against Iraq. I didn't trust them not to do something stupid. I managed to get myself into a job that put me surprisingly high in the Battalion's chain of command. If shit were to go down, I'd be part of the armed resistance, not compliance, and I have many officers and senior NCOs that I've influenced.

Here's something most people even in the US don't realize. The National Guard doesn't fall in under the US President. My Commander-in-Chief is the Governor of my State. If the President wants to deploy a unit from the National Guard, a letter is sent to the state Governor requesting the troops. Technically, the Gov. could say no, but the Federal Gov't would cut off funding. It's similar to compliance with the national speed limit laws -- Wyoming said HELL NO to 55mph (you can drive for hours there without seeing so much as a cow, much less another car) so they lost Federal funding for the highways for about 20 years.

But what good does a handgun do against armed troops? Jack shit. That's why we have rifles, shotguns and AK47's in the US, and serious people reload their own ammo.