Population Control Questions

[gardenofdreams]

I'm not sure if this is the right category to place this, but i guess it relates to survival.

I've been thinking about Population control for a while now and have looked across these forums for similar threads but haven't found any so far, but if there is please enlighten me! :)

Knowing for a long time that the elites want to control population, i feel not many people have questioned why? Is this a real problem? It is just because the elites are evil? :rolleyes: Or is there actually a real purpose to this. Don't get me wrong i dispise the elite as much as anyone else and i know that there are many other things associated with what they do that are completely evil and disgusting, but the population issue seems to be a serious issue and is pretty common now and not just something the elites are stressing.

I have a friend who is studying population atm and said that population is such a serious and worrying issue atm and is going to get worse (and i'm not sure if this is because he's been indoctrinated by certain learning or propaganda) I've looked at many other sources which research seems to be completely one sided and states the population is such a serious issue, i even came across a guy that said if your in power you'd cause destruction in order to lower the population as there wouldn't be anything else you could do. I haven't really heard Icke or Jones talk about how to get around the problem, they talk about how the elites want to kill off most of the poulation, but never come up with a solution, but if they have again please enlighten me! :)

I'm really kinda confused here and wondered what other people think? Is it a real issue and not just propaganda? if it is a real issue what can we do about it? Must we resort to wars, food poisioning and other techniques to control population numbers? I believe in possibility, and have been pondering if there could be such an idea to save population without wars etc but then does it leave us with the 2 child per person or one per family if things got really worse? I once read someone said you could fit the entire population into Texas, but how realistic is this? For trade and economy, health and local food issues? Could we live in such a way?

But to sum up my main question here is, is there a population crisis for real and if so how we can get around that without resorting to killing people or taking away their rights to have more than two children?

Forgive me if there is any ignorance, but i really want to learn here :)

Please share your thoughts!

Thanks,

Peace & Love :D

[gardenofdreams]

Anyone? :(

[rhydra]

The growth of any species, humans are no exception, beyond the numbers which they can exist comfortably will result in a limit to their numbers. Say the population gets to 12, 30, 40 billion, there is mass starvation, conflict, disease, it will not fall to the levels which it was before things started to get tough, it will fall catastrophically, billions will die. The population may level off to pre stone age levels or even less. The die off may even push mankind to the level where their there isn't a viable breeding stock and the species will end up dropping off the radar altogether, becoming extinct. It has happened so many times before, all the signs are there, whether a species eats grass, other creatures or flies around in jets, it needs food and a conducive environment. Take those away though natural events or overpopulation then it's goodnight Vienna.

[theqleaner]

Worldometers.info - real time world statistics (http://www.worldometers.info/)

[numbersix]

Most people would agree that growth cannot go on indefinitely

Although there are large parts of the world with lots of space ) look at Australia for example) the truth is that much of this is desert, mountainous or not ideally suited to towns and villages.

Much of the best land has already been built on in some parts of the UK and unless we dont want any woodlands and meadows left we cannot build indefinitely.
In the South of England many of our roads are becoming more and more gridlocked, our local hospital recently had a five and a half hour wait at casualty for my son, there are always queues at supermarket checkouts and recently I have even noticed more queues at our local petrol stations!!

I appreciate the fact that Scotland , Wales and other parts of the uk do have more spare land but it is still finite.

If we dont limit our world population size then ultimately nature will do it through disease and starvation without any help from the Globalists!!!

[emerald]

Most people would agree that growth cannot go on indefinitely

Although there are large parts of the world with lots of space ) look at Australia for example) the truth is that much of this is desert, mountainous or not ideally suited to towns and villages.

Much of the best land has already been built on in some parts of the UK and unless we dont want any woodlands and meadows left we cannot build indefinitely.
In the South of England many of our roads are becoming more and more gridlocked, our local hospital recently had a five and a half hour wait at casualty for my son, there are always queues at supermarket checkouts and recently I have even noticed more queues at our local petrol stations!!

I appreciate the fact that Scotland , Wales and other parts of the uk do have more spare land but it is still finite.

If we dont limit our world population size then ultimately nature will do it through disease and starvation without any help from the Globalists!!!

Quite my thoughts. Good one!

[boots]

Most people would agree that growth cannot go on indefinitely

Although there are large parts of the world with lots of space ) look at Australia for example) the truth is that much of this is desert, mountainous or not ideally suited to towns and villages.

Much of the best land has already been built on in some parts of the UK and unless we dont want any woodlands and meadows left we cannot build indefinitely.
In the South of England many of our roads are becoming more and more gridlocked, our local hospital recently had a five and a half hour wait at casualty for my son, there are always queues at supermarket checkouts and recently I have even noticed more queues at our local petrol stations!!

I appreciate the fact that Scotland , Wales and other parts of the uk do have more spare land but it is still finite.

If we dont limit our world population size then ultimately nature will do it through disease and starvation without any help from the Globalists!!!

The lands in the middle east have towns and cities that are heavily populated. There is no reason why this can't so for Australia and other part's of the world.

The more modern a society, the less they procreate. Birth rates have fallen in all western 1st world countries. Check out the figures.

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[gardenofdreams]

Thanks for all the reply's guys! :) I really appreciate it, some great posts!

To get around population problems, do people feel its best to have a 2 child policy? I'd like some views here too :) I guess if things get so bad we'd have to accept it anyway. I think adopting is going to become more of a common thing too, as there's so many orphaned children out there :(

[numbersix]

I personally tend to agree somewhat with this for the UK since 50 years ago the population was about 48 million, 25 years ago it was about 55 million and now officially it is about 63 million but unofficially it may be nearer 70 million people which is a lot for a small island.

Although the indigenous British population may not be growing, the continued influxes of immigrants from third world countries that are heavily overpopulated will continue to ensure that pressures on schools, hospitals, roads and other services will increase which could ultimately increase taxes.

In my opinion the only answer is education and trying to improve the lot of all those less fortunate people in the third world countries who see the UK as some sort of paradise compared with their homelands.

I would like some other peoples ideas as to what the optimum population size of the UK should be as this is largely a matter of opinion..
i.e. 30 million, 80 million, 200 million people???

[lala_says_so]

I think adopting is going to become more of a common thing too, as there's so many orphaned children out there :(

IDK about that...

I had a relative recently adopt (fertility treatments didn't work); with each child, it took well over a year to receive them, and a good €40,000 just to get the adoption processes going.

International Adoption is just Bureaucratic Human Trafficking.

Instead of money being spent on acquiring the child, it should be spent on the child's best interests.

You know what's scary? Out of all the major nations, China seems to have the best adoption program. (Well, considering their overpopulation issues, it's understandable)

[oiram]

Look here!
On-line World Population update!
But keep in mind this is also Propaganda!
Also remember that money & cost is not real it's only a control & manipulation tool for the Elite to stay in power.
Once most of us figured this out the Elite is Toast!

http://www.worldometers.info/
Categories information:
6.751,286,300 Current World Population
24.202,800 Births this year
10,574.758 Deaths this year
Deaths caused by communicable diseases this year
Deaths of children under 5 this year
Abortions this year
Abortions due to a risk to maternal health
Deaths of mothers during birth this year
HIV/AIDS infected people
Deaths caused by HIV/AIDS this year
Deaths caused by cancer this year
Deaths caused by malaria this year
Cigarettes smoked today
Deaths caused by smoking this year
Deaths caused by alcohol this year
Suicides this year
World spending on illegal drugs this year (US$)
Road traffic accident fatalities this year

Why not give a bonus to the once which don't make more children one small way to give incentive to make less children!

Do we really have to much Population most-likely it's related on which side on the fence you are working!

In case of the Elites they don't regard you to be a Human to them you are only a cost-code or statistic!


Conspiracy: Population Reduction Plan
My inside sources have told me what is really going on. I will reveal it to you. They were planning to use a virus (or just the threat of a virus), but the current plan is to use religion and patriotism to get the less intelligent people on the planet to fight and die to reduce the world’s population.

Of course, it is all a scam. Bin Laden and Bush were buddies (before Bin Laden died a few years ago), as are the top leaders of other groups at war. They are putting on an act to get people to kill eachother in large numbers. This must be done to get the human population down from 6.5 billion to 1 or 2 billion people. Here are some stories:

http://www.xenophilia.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/skulls1.jpeg (http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2006/07/27/conspiracy-population-reduction-plan/)
Bin Laden’s deputy calls for global war on ‘crusaders’

Israel approves calling up 30,000 reservists

Bringing on ‘World War III’

“The Cold War was the best thing that ever happened to American capitalism, and the collapse of the Soviet Union was a disaster for the Eisenhower-named military-industrial complex,” Stauber pointed out.

“The strategists among the pro-war right jumped all over 9/11; an endless, secret, war against a foreign enemy bent on terrorism and acquiring weapons of mass destruction is an even better scenario for American militarists than the Cold War.”

We are Already in a Religious War

‘Our religion says to fight for jihad’ (India & Pakistan)

ABC News: Avian Flu: Is the Government Ready for an Epidemic?

http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2006/07/27/conspiracy-population-reduction-plan/

Population "Control",
New World Order Style

By Ken Adachi <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwopopcontrol.shtml


The Illuminati's idea of Population Control falls into two broad categories:
1. Limiting the size of human societies and monitoring/controlling the movement of individuals within that society, and
2. Intentionally reducing the bulk of the world's population through GENOCIDE via the introduction of population slaughter, orchestrated conflicts, and lethal bioengineered disease organisms introduced via vaccines and other means of external transmission.

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/populationreductionIcke.shtml

The Illuminati's current plan to reduce the world's population was set into motion at a 1957 symposium on future world development. The astonishing 'conclusion' of this seemingly benign symposium was that over-population and excessive exploitation of the environment would result in the self- destruction of the earth by the year 2,000 or shortly thereafter (Note:Illuminti front organizations for New World Order propaganda, like Cornell University, continue to "illuminate" us, to this very day, with this over-population point of view).

President Eisenhower secretly commissioned a group of scholars, known as The JASON Society to review the conclusions of the '57 symposium. The members of the JASON Society are in fact part of a secretive Illuminati group known as the Order of the Quest. The same individuals who formed the JASON Society were also key members on the Council on Foreign Relations known as the Wise Men. (1)

Not surprisingly, the Jason Society agreed with the symposium's conclusions and drafted three proposals for Eisenhower's consideration. The three proposals were labeled Alternative 1, Alternative 2, and Alternative 3. Eisenhower rejected Atlernative 1 because it involved the use of nuclear weapons. However, Eisenhower did approve the implementation of Alternative 2 and Alternative 3 (as did the Soviet Union). (1)

Alternative 2 >>> More Here: http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwopopcontrol.shtml


FEMA's Plan for population reduction in the USA
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=672_1230103433
Final Warning: A History of the New World Order
Illuminism and the master plan for world domination

Chapter 8.5: The Club of Rome and Population Reduction
The Club of Rome, the Limits to Growth, and the AIDS epidemic
[Editor's note: This chapter has been condensed. The original text is available at the Author's website.]
The Origin of the Club of Rome
"The Limits to Growth"
Origins of the HIV/AIDS Virus
The Beginning of the AIDS Epidemic
Progress of the AIDS Epidemic
The Origin of the Club of Rome

The Conference on Conditions of World Order was held from June 12-19, 1965 at the Villa Serbelloni in Bellagio, Italy, sponsored by the Congress for Cultural Freedom, with a grant from the Ford Foundation and the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. A group of 21 scholars, writers and scientists from all over the world met to define the concepts of world order. A segment of their report by Helio Jaguaribe said:

"The establishment of world order depends not only on its intrinsic desirability and viability, but also on the support of men and groups who decide to dedicate themselves to the completion of such a goal. As increasing sectors of developed and underdeveloped societies begin to realize the urgent necessity of world order, the viability of its establishment, and the fact that it can be achieved by adopting measures which are reasonable in themselves, none of the governments will be able to escape public pressure for establishing world order ...

It is incumbent upon the intellectuals to play the decisive role in the formation of pressure groups in favor of world order ... the establishment of world order demands the mobilization of groups dedicated to international pressure for the gradual implantation of that world order ... the negotiated establishment of world order is theoretically possible and practically feasible since, in the last analysis, the probable effects of nuclear conflagration have made way an impractical alternative to the peaceful solution of contemporary problems."

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn08-5

Population Reduction 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF2mg5krIjc
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9125923719669885007

My collection: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35069
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[emerald]

Look here!
On-line World Population update!
But keep in mind this is also Propaganda!
Also remember that money & cost is not real it's only a control & manipulation tool for the Elite to stay in power.
Once most of us figured this out the Elite is Toast!



Why not give a bonus to the once which don't make more children one small way to give incentive to make less children!

Do we really have to much Population most-likely it's related on which side on the fence you are working!

In case of the Elites they don't regard you to be a Human to them you are only a cost-code or statistic!


Conspiracy: Population Reduction Plan





Population Reduction 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF2mg5krIjc
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9125923719669885007

My collection: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35069
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/magcisystem.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35069)
My collection: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35069

Oh yes, and we can live happily ever after all of us crammed in Australia, some American city, Isle of Wight or hell knows where coz all this overpopulation stuff is nothing but propaganda. Arent all of u sick of "counterpunching" this over and over and on this icke forum? How anyone says that this planet is overpopulated, which is damm true, no matter how others are dying to deny, hop, smb pops up and comes with "solid arguments" and says that there is place for all of us 6,5 billions ants. We were warned since ancient times about that, but no, no, no, we keep ignoring this like bastards we are...

[sophia_h]

Thank you oiram


for some new links I hadnt seen before.


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[vladmir]

IDK about that...

I had a relative recently adopt (fertility treatments didn't work); with each child, it took well over a year to receive them, and a good €40,000 just to get the adoption processes going.
my god, its that expensive??! :eek:

[marpat]

Most people would agree that growth cannot go on indefinitely

Although there are large parts of the world with lots of space ) look at Australia for example) the truth is that much of this is desert, mountainous or not ideally suited to towns and villages.

Much of the best land has already been built on in some parts of the UK and unless we dont want any woodlands and meadows left we cannot build indefinitely.
In the South of England many of our roads are becoming more and more gridlocked, our local hospital recently had a five and a half hour wait at casualty for my son, there are always queues at supermarket checkouts and recently I have even noticed more queues at our local petrol stations!!

I appreciate the fact that Scotland , Wales and other parts of the uk do have more spare land but it is still finite.

If we dont limit our world population size then ultimately nature will do it through disease and starvation without any help from the Globalists!!!


Exactly. Personally I think something needs to be done to bring the situation under some control. Not all space is habitable. Even if people moved into open areas you would need new road roads and a load of other new infrastructure to support them, power, water, sewage works, etc. Taxes would go up even further to support a constantly growing population. Food would become harder to obtain as there would be more competition or resources. What about jobs? as more jobs become automated then more people become unemployed, which then mean a greater burden to fund benefits.

Population growth is like filling a ballon. The rubber only has so much expansion before it bursts. What are the solutions, letting the ballon burst or do something about it?

[theqleaner]

http://www.theqleaner.com/images/quotes/Matrix_Agent_Smith.jpg

“I'd like to share a Revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your Species. I realized that you're not actually Mammals. Every Mammal on this Planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you Humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every Natural Resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this Planet that follows the same pattern. A Virus. Human beings are a disease, a Cancer of this Planet, you are a Plague, and we are the Cure.” - Agent Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Smith) - The Matrix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix)

[vladmir]

nothing personal, but FUCK Agent Smith. :mad:
The Earth can comfortable hold and provide for 12 BILLION PEOPLE, all that needs to be done is just use the resources efficiently, and use the damn free energy devices available to humanity's use, instead of the greedy and hoarding vampires who constitute the internationalists and their cabal.

[theqleaner]

nothing personal, but FUCK Agent Smith. :mad:
The Earth can comfortable hold and provide for 12 BILLION PEOPLE, all that needs to be done is just use the resources efficiently, and use the damn free energy devices available to humanity's use, instead of the greedy and hoarding vampires who constitute the internationalists and their cabal.

I know this is a repost on this thread, however: http://www.worldometers.info/

[boots]

Look here!
On-line World Population update!
But keep in mind this is also Propaganda!
Also remember that money & cost is not real it's only a control & manipulation tool for the Elite to stay in power.
Once most of us figured this out the Elite is Toast!



Why not give a bonus to the once which don't make more children one small way to give incentive to make less children!

Do we really have to much Population most-likely it's related on which side on the fence you are working!

In case of the Elites they don't regard you to be a Human to them you are only a cost-code or statistic!


Conspiracy: Population Reduction Plan





Population Reduction 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF2mg5krIjchttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9125923719669885007My collection: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35069

My collection: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35069


Top post oiram, Some people just dont get it because they cant think outside the box of their own limitations boy!! the PTB can sure fool at lot of people.

[gardenofdreams]

Thanks for the reply's guys!

Thinking out of the box is essential as long as you don't get lost in another narrow type of thinking and destroy other possibilities. Thats what has been great about these posts so far is that people have slightly different perceptions and views on this topic, with maybe a few trying to persuade others, but we all have our free minds, and i appreciate the free info!

From what i've read so far and have also made up my own mind that there are obviously certain propaganda's to shrink population esp with codex etc, but i'm uncertain there is any propaganda with the problem of the amount of population there is, and that it's obvious that any species will out grow resourses of finite possibilty on what we call earth. People have posted about the conspiracy's that will take population down by 2012, and they seem fair enough, but no one has asked why? This is something that i think is fundamental. If the population crisis is propaganda why would the elites therefore want to reduce population? As i thought the more people the elites have the more slaves or sheep and the more powerful they become. Am i missing something? If so please enlighten me. We are all here to learn and making that step to this forum alone is an important one.

Thanks :)

[boots]

Oh yes, and we can live happily ever after all of us crammed in Australia, some American city, Isle of Wight or hell knows where coz all this overpopulation stuff is nothing but propaganda. Arent all of u sick of "counterpunching" this over and over and on this icke forum? How anyone says that this planet is overpopulated, which is damm true, no matter how others are dying to deny, hop, smb pops up and comes with "solid arguments" and says that there is place for all of us 6,5 billions ants. We were warned since ancient times about that, but no, no, no, we keep ignoring this like bastards we are...




It's so easy for the illuminati to control the fools who dont do the maths and actually THINK:rolleyes: Why would they put up the Georgian Guidestones Telling the world to depopulate what you think they care about the earth??

FYI the population of the world would fit into the state of Texas each having a block 40ft by 120 ft. With the technology that has been hidden and that is available even today you can live in regions that the west say are uninhabitable FFS the Eskimos can do it the aboriginals can do it, the mogolians can do it. Just stupided westerns can't think they can do it. There to fucking brainwashed. :rolleyes: BY the elite and listening to enviromentalist wo are full of shit.

[arten]

nothing personal, but FUCK Agent Smith. :mad:
The Earth can comfortable hold and provide for 12 BILLION PEOPLE, all that needs to be done is just use the resources efficiently, and use the damn free energy devices available to humanity's use, instead of the greedy and hoarding vampires who constitute the internationalists and their cabal.

Mate could not agree more with you the problem is not over population the problem is one of Greed. While 10% of the Elites control 90% of the resources we are always going to have problems.

The world has enough for everyones needs but not everyones greed. Mhatma Gandhi

[backbeat]

Who are these people who contiunally harp on about the population problem?

Usually they're the elite / tptb, members of the Club of Rome, the United Nations, CFR etc. These same people fly around the world in private jets, stuffing their fat faces with non-GMO caviar and fois gras, consume the most resources, have multitudes of consuming hangers on, start wars, use depleted uranium weapons, manipulate the banking systems for their own end, screw with the worlds farming etc. etc.

By their own accounts they are a much more of a significant problem than some third world person scratching around in the dirt for some food.

These elite need to practise what they preach and volunteer themselves as the first to go on the euthanasia list. Once they've been euthaniased we can reasses the situation and then decide, "do we really have a population problem now?"

[starstuff]

I heard somewhere recently (the film Monkey Blood maybe?) that the world's current population, given a reasonable amount of land per person in which to live and grow food, would fit into Australia and still leave New South Wales and the rest of the world free. If that's true (someone else can do the maths to check it) then no I don't think the world is overpopulated at all, I think it's just that the resources are (deliberately) extremely badly managed.