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the worm that turned

26-02-2009, 02:36 PM

pleasuredome

26-02-2009, 05:02 PM

what news channel was this? anymore info you can direct us to?

are you sure it isnt to do with the UK selling arms to Israel who have committed war crimes?

the worm that turned

26-02-2009, 05:49 PM

It was actually on Classic FM! It was not in relation to the Israel situation, it was in relation to our elected leaders handing over citizens of our country to be held in Guantanamo (sp) Bay and whether or not they knew that torture would be used there.

It SHOULD be on all the news channels really.

oiram

26-02-2009, 06:17 PM

Gitmo Inmates Still Tortured

Global Research, February 25, 2009
Russia Today - 2009-02-24

Although President Obama has vowed to shut down the infamous Guantanamo prison, things haven’t changed much and the detainees still complain of tortures and humiliation.

As time drags on, what’s happening inside the prison camp is described by many as chaos. Mass hunger strikes, severe depression and beatings – this has become the day-to-day reality for many of the detainees.

Some claim the situation is now worse than it has ever been.

“I don’t know if those hunger strikes are due to bad conditions, or due to incredible frustration on the part of the detainees who remain in detention. Some prisoners may have been hopeful that they would be released immediately when Obama took office, which obviously is not the case,” says Joanne Mariner, director of the counterterrorism program at Human Rights Watch.

Why do Obama and his administration need an entire year to put an end to the mess?

Some say the reasons are purely bureaucratic. Questions from how to charge some inmates to how to safely release others have created a long string of legal and security problems.

Others speculate that the reasons could be too much disapproval from America's existing political establishment when it comes to closing the prison camp.

About 800 detainees have been at Guantanamo since it was set up, approximately 250 still remain there.

Danny Schechter, independent film maker and news dissector from New York believes the process of shutting the prison camp down is taking too long:

“The fact that they can’t move more quickly to shut it down and do something about it is a sign of how difficult it is to make change. It’s one thing to say you’re going to do something, it’s another thing to do it.”

With bureaucratic protractions or political reasons behind the affair, it is now clear that Guantanamo is continuing to leave a shadow on America’s image.
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oiram

26-02-2009, 06:22 PM

Attorney General to investigate abuse claimsSenior CIA officers could be put on trial in Britain after it emerged last night that the Attorney General is to investigate allegations that a British resident held in Guantanamo Bay was brutally tortured, after being arrested and questioned by American forces following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in 2001.

The Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has asked Baroness Scotland to consider bringing criminal proceedings against Americans allegedly responsible for the rendition and abuse of Binyam Mohamed, when he was held in prisons in Morocco and Afghanistan.

The development follows criticism of US prosecutors by British judges who have seen secret evidence of torture committed against Mr Mohamed, including allegations his torturers used a razor blade to repeatedly cut his penis. The Attorney's investigation is expected to include allegations that MI5 colluded in Mr Mohamed's rendition. Mr Mohamed, 30, an Ethiopian national and British resident, was arrested in Pakistan in 2002, when he was questioned by an MI5 officer.

On Tuesday, Government lawyers wrote to the judges hearing Mr Mohamed's case against the UK government in the High Court. In the letter they said "the question of possible criminal wrongdoing to which these proceedings has given rise has been referred by the Home Secretary to the Attorney general for consideration as an independent minister of justice". Baroness Scotland has been sent secret witness statements given to the court and public interest immunity certificates for the proceedings.

Mr Mohamed, 30, accuses MI5 agents of lying about what they knew of CIA plans to transfer him to a prison in north Africa, where he claims he was subjected to horrendous torture. Mr Mohamed, who won asylum in the UK in 1994, has been charged with terrorism-related offences. He awaits a decision on whether he is to face trial at the US naval base. He is officially the last Briton at Guantanamo. Last night his lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, said: "This is a welcome recognition that the CIA cannot just go rendering British residents to secret torture chambers without consequences, and British agents cannot take part in US crimes without facing the music. Reprieve will be making submissions to the Attorney General to ensure those involved, from the US, Pakistan, Morocco, Britain, are held responsible."

Richard Stein, of Leigh Day, representing Mr Mohamed in the High Court proceedings, said: "Ultimately the British Government had little choice once they conceded that a case had been made that Binyam Mohamed was tortured. The Convention Against Torture imposes an obligation on signatory states to investigate torture."

In August two judges ruled allegations of torture were at least arguable and that MI5 had information relating to Mr Mohamed that was "not only necessary but essential for his defence".

The judges have read statements and interviews with Mr Mohamed between 28 and 31 July, 2004 when he says he was forced to confess to terrorism. The judges said: "This was after a period of over two-and-a-half years of incommunicado detention during which Binyam Mohamed alleges he was tortured."

He was first held in Pakistan in 2002, where a British agent interrogated him; he was then sent to Morocco by the CIA and allegedly tortured for 18 months. He was rendered to the secret "Dark Prison" in Afghanistan, where his torture is alleged to have continued. Since September 2004, he has been in Guantanamo Bay.
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oiram

26-02-2009, 06:25 PM

CIA officers could face trial in Britain over torture allegations

Attorney General to investigate abuse claims

By Robert Verkaik, Law Editor
Friday, 31 October 2008

Senior CIA officers could be put on trial in Britain after it emerged last night that the Attorney General is to investigate allegations that a British resident held in Guantanamo Bay was brutally tortured, after being arrested and questioned by American forces following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in 2001.

The Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has asked Baroness Scotland to consider bringing criminal proceedings against Americans allegedly responsible for the rendition and abuse of Binyam Mohamed, when he was held in prisons in Morocco and Afghanistan.

The development follows criticism of US prosecutors by British judges who have seen secret evidence of torture committed against Mr Mohamed, including allegations his torturers used a razor blade to repeatedly cut his penis. The Attorney's investigation is expected to include allegations that MI5 colluded in Mr Mohamed's rendition. Mr Mohamed, 30, an Ethiopian national and British resident, was arrested in Pakistan in 2002, when he was questioned by an MI5 officer.

On Tuesday, Government lawyers wrote to the judges hearing Mr Mohamed's case against the UK government in the High Court. In the letter they said "the question of possible criminal wrongdoing to which these proceedings has given rise has been referred by the Home Secretary to the Attorney general for consideration as an independent minister of justice". Baroness Scotland has been sent secret witness statements given to the court and public interest immunity certificates for the proceedings.

Mr Mohamed, 30, accuses MI5 agents of lying about what they knew of CIA plans to transfer him to a prison in north Africa, where he claims he was subjected to horrendous torture. Mr Mohamed, who won asylum in the UK in 1994, has been charged with terrorism-related offences. He awaits a decision on whether he is to face trial at the US naval base. He is officially the last Briton at Guantanamo. Last night his lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, said: "This is a welcome recognition that the CIA cannot just go rendering British residents to secret torture chambers without consequences, and British agents cannot take part in US crimes without facing the music. Reprieve will be making submissions to the Attorney General to ensure those involved, from the US, Pakistan, Morocco, Britain, are held responsible."

Richard Stein, of Leigh Day, representing Mr Mohamed in the High Court proceedings, said: "Ultimately the British Government had little choice once they conceded that a case had been made that Binyam Mohamed was tortured. The Convention Against Torture imposes an obligation on signatory states to investigate torture."

In August two judges ruled allegations of torture were at least arguable and that MI5 had information relating to Mr Mohamed that was "not only necessary but essential for his defence".

The judges have read statements and interviews with Mr Mohamed between 28 and 31 July, 2004 when he says he was forced to confess to terrorism. The judges said: "This was after a period of over two-and-a-half years of incommunicado detention during which Binyam Mohamed alleges he was tortured."

He was first held in Pakistan in 2002, where a British agent interrogated him; he was then sent to Morocco by the CIA and allegedly tortured for 18 months. He was rendered to the secret "Dark Prison" in Afghanistan, where his torture is alleged to have continued. Since September 2004, he has been in Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cia-officers-could-face-trial-in-britain-over-torture-allegations-980384.html

miked

26-02-2009, 10:52 PM

free_soul

27-02-2009, 03:11 AM

scottmurray

27-02-2009, 11:06 AM

hi folks
In my humble oppinion, pretty soon all british people are going to wear the badge of shame that germans do for the second world war becuase of iraq and afganistan and our grandchildren will wear this badge too...im sure
We in the eyes of the world are all guilty through the democratic proccess.
it will be generations until we lose this awfull stigma for invadeing a country and killing innocents without a second thought.......to keep our 4 litre jeeps on the school run in the most cost effective way.
still on the plus side im convinced we are witnising the dawning of a new era in our world today,a better era and a free era the final battle, for ours(and those of the less enlightened) freedoms in their fiefdoms is upon us and if We step up to the challenge ,,, We, like our grandparents can be heros and fight the oppression that we are facing and this bravery could in theory overide the idiocy of the sheeple masses of this once great nation.
we can only hope,but for the first time we actually do have hope and for the first time our views and talk of the n.w.o etc etc do NOT automatically brand us cranks and fucking lunatics.

januspolanski

27-02-2009, 02:11 PM

It should be UK "is" guilty of war crimes.

free_soul

28-02-2009, 04:54 PM

It should be UK "is" guilty of war crimes.

No UK maritime goverment is guilty of war crimes not the british people.

If the UK is found guilty then it is every uk citizen that is guilty

marpat

28-02-2009, 05:12 PM

The news today announced that the UK (corporation) could be guilty of war crimes. To be fair I am sure it is 100's of times over, but in this case it could be official.

If this is found to be true, then YOU, ME and every other PERSON who is currently an "employee" of the UK Corporation (i.e. Registered at Birth) will also be implicit in war crimes.

Yet another reason to hand in your resignation from your favourite employer!

See you all at the Hague!

Not really. It is the government who represent the people and who make those decisions. If there was a public vote on going to war then it would not have happened in all probability. Only the decision makers would be responsible unless you have been proven as an accessory to a war crime. How could the people be held responsible for the outcome of something that they had no control over?

scotfree

01-03-2009, 12:01 AM

'Blair Government police investigation for war crimes' PT1
Parts 1 2 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od_jdg7n6-s