Confused, who exactly are the good guys...

[flossy]

acording to icke's theorys, because I'm quite confused.
I've only been reading about this stuff for about a week, so I may seem to be a little ignorent about the subject, so please excuse me if I do.

Right, so the illuminati, use negative symbols for negative energy, sacrofise children and people, but who are they sacrofising it to? Why do they want negative energy? Why do they have so much symbolism towards the sun if that is possative symbolism? Is christianty and other relgions covers for worshiping negative energy or satan? And if so who/what exactly are the good guys?

I've read about all this evil, but surely there is an oppasite?

Thanks
(oh, also sorry about spelling mistakes i'm dyslexic, which ironicly i can spell(i think))

[dedicate]

You're confused.-- that's all,, like you say. All will be revealed as the confusion is settled by active meditation in pursuit of truth. Telling you the answers may not be a good thing to do. Find out for yourself,,, and let us know what you discover.

Look into The Great White Brotherhood.

[measle_weasel]

I've read about all this evil, but surely there is an oppasite?

That depends on how you define evil. I define it as deliberately impinging on anothers free will for your own personal benefit, or for the express purpose of harming another. How do you define it?

ed- Thats a very brief definition, btw. I think evil is more than that, but thats a good way to encapulate it all in a quick sentance.

[flossy]

well, I belive the ultimate truth is good, I defintetly belive in reincarnation in the sence that out energy is transfered, we become worm food, then maybe a bird, and then maybe someting else. I belive the universe is a whole consciousness, it fits all the criteria of what we would call a 'god'. I like the ideas of buddah, it's science really. Cosmic breaths, reincarnation as I've said.

When I was very young I was a big beliver in the christian God, I've had dreams when i was young where i saw god as a spectrum of light, and more resently of drifting through the universe and communicating with satalites, very strange. I never really thought much of it as a religios experience.

But if christianty is sun worship, is that good or bad? I know it transfers alot of energy, I've had reiki done on me many a times, but I've read that this is using negative energy, that it is evil.

What do you guys think? what is good? I would really apreachite some guidens.

[lostinstrangeworld]

One thing that pisses me off as far as the conspiracy research stuff is concerned are these viewpoints put accross on websites, videos etc that anything to do with religions other that Christianity and Islaam is Satanic.....IMO that is just completely ignorant.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest!

[flossy]

Yeah, that is pretty annoying, I hope you didn't think I was implying that. I was just confused about davids theory that religion, espeshaly the church is a cover for something darker, sun worship and what not, I was just trying to understand acording to ickey is that evil, is it satanism? Is it worshipping negative energy?

[lostinstrangeworld]

No, I wasn't implying you thought that. I have lots of questions too....we just need to keep searching. Whether "Satan" does actually exist or not is one of the big uns, lol.

There are many whilstleblowers, such as ex mind control victims, who testify that at the top the god the elite are really worshipping is Lucifer.


Where it gets really confusing is that many people have different definitions of Lucifer- there is even some debate on whether or not Lucifer and Satan are the same entity.

If you look at it one way, the God of the old testament who asks people to do sacrifices for him and go and fight in bloody wars for him, and who severely punishes people for human mistakes......well.....this particular god does not seem to emanate love, llight and compassion....the things that Jesus taught. And when you look at the way people over history have been tortured in the name of Christianity.....well.....:(

Therefore, some people in their confusion have jumped to the assumption that Lucifer/ Satan must be the compassionate one, the saviour of all mankind.

I myself feel that religion is extremely confused- we are far better finding the truth within....all these names of gods and different way of lookinng things are merely illusions.


So, the key question is....not only who the elite are worshipping but what their exact definition of this god is. It is all in the definition. If they are worshipping a god that they think condones death and cruelty then they are worshipping a lie......because to harm another is to harm oneself......


Just sharing some thoughts in a nutshell. ;)

[flossy]

wise words my friend. It cleared some things up for me, but opened up more questions. oh dear. So many questions.

So many diffrent thoughts. I really don't even know how to reply because even if I did write my thoughts down they wouldn't make much sence. I gues I'll have to have a little think about all this. I mean the subjects and questions you;ve raised are ones I've always asked, I guess somewhere inside myself I was hopeing there would be a simple answer that i wasn't getting, but that's totally obsurd.

I'll have to seek out the truth myself, and be follow myself. It's simple, but I don't understand why sometimes it seems so difficult. I'm always telling people this, and yet I need guidens from someone else. I'm just looking for purpose like everyone else I guess. But as I've read in some hindu book or other the soul does not need purpose, it is satisfied already.

Maybe this searching is useless. I don't know.

[measle_weasel]

well, I belive the ultimate truth is good, I defintetly belive in reincarnation in the sence that out energy is transfered, we become worm food, then maybe a bird, and then maybe someting else. I belive the universe is a whole consciousness, it fits all the criteria of what we would call a 'god'. I like the ideas of buddah, it's science really. Cosmic breaths, reincarnation as I've said.

When I was very young I was a big beliver in the christian God, I've had dreams when i was young where i saw god as a spectrum of light, and more resently of drifting through the universe and communicating with satalites, very strange. I never really thought much of it as a religios experience.

But if christianty is sun worship, is that good or bad? I know it transfers alot of energy, I've had reiki done on me many a times, but I've read that this is using negative energy, that it is evil.

What do you guys think? what is good? I would really apreachite some guidens.

I think good is not impinging on others free will, unless there is a good reason, and you are doing for it exclusively for their benefit. An example of this is, if a child got hold of a gun, you would go against that childs free will, and snatch the gun away from them, because they might shoot themselves by accident. Thats not evil, even though you impinged on another free will, because you the best interest of the other exclusively in your mind.

[mephibosheth]

acording to icke's theorys, because I'm quite confused.
I've only been reading about this stuff for about a week, so I may seem to be a little ignorent about the subject, so please excuse me if I do.

Right, so the illuminati, use negative symbols for negative energy, sacrofise children and people, but who are they sacrofising it to?

Well, they seem to be fond of Baphomet!

http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_002/baphomet.gif

[mephibosheth]

I think good is not impinging on others free will, unless there is a good reason, and you are doing for it exclusively for their benefit. An example of this is, if a child got hold of a gun, you would go against that childs free will, and snatch the gun away from them, because they might shoot themselves by accident. Thats not evil, even though you impinged on another free will, because you the best interest of the other exclusively in your mind.

While we can appreciate the sentiment, this same argument can be used by the powers that be to control and subjugate the masses.

:eek:

'Its for your own good', they say, 'to take your guns away from you, lest you hurt yourself or someone else.'

'We have your best interests in mind!'

[measle_weasel]

While we can appreciate the sentiment, this same argument can be used by the powers that be to control and subjugate the masses.

:eek:

'Its for your own good', they say, 'to take your guns away from you, lest you hurt yourself or someone else.'

'We have your best interests in mind!'

I agree, but they obviously do not have the best interests of the public in mind, I believe thats clear to anyone whose looked at the situation for more than 5 seconds.

But just because the idea might be used to mask something that it itself does not advocate, doesnt mean the idea is bad to begin with; it only means that the PTB want to hide their true nature, which is one of impinging on others free will for their own personal benefit.

[mephibosheth]

The point is, that if you allow that it is 'good' to interfere will the freewill of a sentient being (for any reason), you open the door to all manner of justifications. After all, we will have to argue about why interference in one case is 'in one's best interests' but not in another case. A parent might take a sharp object away from a child lest they cut themselves, but then the child might not learn to fear the sharpened blade. They might take a step back and let the child learn a hard life lesson. Which of these senarios is truly 'best'?

Would we not be better off saying that 'good is not impinging on others free will', with no 'unless' attached?

8)

[measle_weasel]

Not sure. Still working it out.

[octopusrex]

You are the good guys. Go and do good today!