Is this forum an "experiment"?

[peter19]

the thought has just come to me, it might seem abit paranoid but here me out.

right all in one place you have "free thinkers" (in the view of some) an ideal experiment would be, how to control these free thinkers so that in society TPTB could deal with them. i should say also that it doesnt neccerilly mean this forum (although you can only take your complaints about the mods, to the mods, seems fair :rolleyes: lol). but i just thought that forums with free thinkers on, what you do is try to find ways of trapping them and also controling them. see what buttons to press and see certain reactions. it would make sense because then in society if you feared a break up, you would know certain ways how to deal with "free thinkers" and people wanting freedom.

what do you think?

[chicken_little]

I've had the same thought before. One could make the case that it's a tool for the powers that be to know who the troublemakers are. But it's really not any different than resistance groups that formed during WWII. The big change for us is that we have the internet, and as a result don't have the benefit of secrecy that they did. I'm sure at some point, should the NWO come to be in full, sites like this will be shut down and the free thinkers will be forced to meet in secret once again.

[sean]

Interesting hypothesis. I'm not sure if i'm a good person to answer as i'm the admin for the forum so implicated in your theory.

I would ask, though - Would a David Icke forum be the best place to conduct such an experiment? Wouldn't a mainstream place catering to a less niche audience be better?

[peter19]

no sean not really because you wouldnt have minds wanting freedom. in a place like this or another conspiracy or truth forum, people would be grouped toghether and alot of the people on the forum would be wanting the truth and to be free. so its an ideal place to test the waters. i mean who knows what they would watch (if they are here or any were else). but if you could offer for instance false freedom, as icke says the prison with out bars, people (even "free thinkers") could still buy into it. and forums like this could be a means of testing the waters in the sense of, "how can we best catch as many people as we can who slip out of the net".

why as this thread been moved btw?

du........dummmmmmm. lol.

it doesnt mean that even the admin would have to be involved in it on this or any other forum. all it would take is a few or group of people with certain agendas like to bring in disinfo or try to tint someones image or what ever.

[richmick]

Lots of coincidences these days me thinks. Because i was thinking the same. We had THE FORUM as a place to converse with no rules and regulations really. Each speaking their truth. I think someone said recently that it too, was an experiment. Then out of the blue, members accounts were hijacked we were told and the forum had to shut down for a period of time, to ammend the problem.

So strangley enough, ickes new moderated forum springs up and we are directed here by, of all people, HARRIS. oK i thought, we can do that until THE FORUM is back up and running. ICKES new site gets a surge of members from THE FORUM, convenient eh.

Now this forum is the opposite of THE FORUM, since we are discovering it is heavily moderated, the polar opposite of THE FORUM.

Harris never gets back to us, i mean it does'nt take months to ammend the problem they were supposed to be having and well, here we are still.

There is nothing stopping HARRIS reopening THE FORUM but he wont. I think we may have been told little white lies, to push us over here, to fill the initial vacuum.

Harris you are probably reading this, so i ask you now, why is THE FORUM still down when you said it would be sorted out. If it was brought back online, with all the old post then people who are not happy here will leave and the moderators wont have the problem of free thinkers breaking ranks. Whatcha say, bring it back online and everyone, including the mods here, should be happy.

Or is this another experiment, it all feels a bit wonky..:)

[sean]

Fair point. Personally i think this place sometimes attracts people who want to disrupt and create trouble in the name of freedom of speech. However, i wouldn't rule out what you are saying as possible. It would certainly have to be a group of users though.

I moved it to the rant room by accident to be honest. It was meant to go to the Big Brother section. D'oh.

[ashyr]

paranoia and freedom are so interconected, especially in this place i find.

[peter19]

Lots of coincidences these days me thinks. Because i was thinking the same. We had THE FORUM as a place to converse with no rules and regulations really. Each speaking their truth. I think someone said recently that it too, was an experiment. :)

yes i think i heard montag say it, could of just been a turn of phrase like but who knows....

it is very intresting, what would be more so is when icke put hes name off of the old forum is that when the modding stoped?, or was it the same while it was associated with icke?. it would be a intresting experiment like and who knows what the experiment could be used for. thats why this one might be moded more because they realized that an un modded forum never worked out too good. or....... something else. i think if im right i can remember someone saying something like harris was thinking of putting everyone over here and thats why he shut the forum down. i dont swear by that though, can just remember something like that. :)

.Fair point. Personally i think this place sometimes attracts people who want to disrupt and create trouble in the name of freedom of speech


they probbly is people like that sean. sometimes i might seem that type of person, but i can only say that im not and that like you i want this forum to run well and be open for discussion and freedom of expression. iv had some points with the forum and admining of late, has you may know?. i just want to ask you if you could maybe semi lighten up with banning people or closeing threads, i know its not my forum but im just saying my observations. i think a good system to put into place would be a poll when banning people just so other people could have a say. or is that not possible in case of multiple i.ds?. anyway i hope you have got ickes ideas too mate about freedom and things and that you mod the forum how you see fit. take into account that its the people who make the forum and i think its fair if they can have a say. i could understand it if the reason was multiple i.ds issue though or people useing diffrent ips but i dont know much about that.

take nothing iv said against you personally man, its right use created the forum and make the rules and if i dont like that then thats fair enough.

all im saying is i think if you kept that stance you could loose many genuin posters (thats not meant to be a threat btw) but just some people might walk a way and good posters (i dont view me here lol) could be turned off by to heavy moderation.

i have to be honest the reason i started this thread was to have a semi go at you but im sorry for that. dont take it personally.

i am sorry for the agro if it caused you any, and if i have any jip next time i think ill just walk away. which i hope i dont have any jip, but if i do its no big deal.

peace.:)

[sean]

I see where your coming from peter, and yes i definitely do agree with David on freedom of expression.

The list of people banned and certain posts that get closed or deleted are fewer and farther between than the rest of the stuff on here. It is for so many different reasons, many of them well researched and thought over and deliberated by all the moderators - that its simply not possible (and not fair) to let users of the forum decide the fate of other users. That would lead to mob mentality and bullying. Instead i prefer to take a back seat and let everyone get on with it. We've recently added the rant room so that the really heated exchanges can also take place if people insist on it.

But there are a few rules in place in order to keep this place from falling into complete chaos.

Anyway, back to your previous post.. who do you think "they" are? Personally, i don't think anybody is doing experiments on this forum or on Harris' old forum. But then i am biased ;)

[peter19]

ok man,
i think its possible that there is a "there" but theres apart of me what doesnt give a shit, if there was a group who tried to write certain things down or to change the quo of my beliefs then oh well. as tsarion says "have i bought a lie, or been sold one". this about the forum behing an experiment was just a thought, it could happen on forums but i dont know. i could get into mind spinns though and get caught in the paranoia of it, although it makes sense abit.

but another thought is a very good way to get people out of the truth and influence them also is, that, paranoia. its excellent because everything becomes sinister and tinted. and also a paranoid person everything else what they say gets dismissed. so a way of influenceing people and a good way what iv just thought is with paranoia.

[breezei]

if the people on this forum know that each person is a free thinker, then does it matter if people hijack our accounts and use them to say stupid shit? no it does not. and plus there are how many people subscribed to this website and if not others that david icke has, and if there is an experiment its to see how many are open minded and who are not. we are speaking about things that are wanted to be kept secret. so really fearing that we are being watched on this website and that its an experiment is like a said fear. say what you what, who cares, the person to judge and dismiss is obviously not a "free thinker" and if everyone on this site says they are then everyone can dismiss that individual(s). im not saying there isnt a possibility, im saying who cares? why centralize your thoughts on being caught and having to go into secrecy. just talk about these subjects and know that people trying to stop you is proof that us free thinkers are the ones to succeed. centralize your thoughts on having the message that you wont to be heard or read put out there,because right when you start fearing that someone with alot of green paper in his/her pocket is gonna shut this shit down, then they know that they can stop you. nothing can stop you if you place what you want to do clearly in your vision without anything obstructing this vision. if there is something im missing here please tell me :)

[peter19]

a hat maybe? lol. just jokeing. its good to care what other people think but not too worry what others think imv. if you want to live free, try to be free or atleast express ideas as best as you can. egos like to think they are that important that the cia/fbi is comeing for me, although possible, its very unlikely and yes as you say who cares. i would care though if they were at my door now,... shit man lol. :eek:

what im saying is with me though aswell, i get paranoid sometimes, i dont think its to healthy. :)

[truthseeker1980]

Try and remember they want you to be paranoid, as it's the fuel.

What's the obsession with the mods?

Almost every forum on the internet has mods, otherwise all would be complete unreadable chaos. I never went on this other forum you lot talk about, didn't know it even existed. Used to come on David's site and actually email the web support asking why there wasn't one.

I know what they are talking about though, an experiement wouldn't need to involve any of the mods or David, as a few well orgainsed CIA/MI5 agents could be monitoring and posting disinfo on here, trying to lead us freethinkers up the wrong path.

In fact i would have thought they almost certainly are, if the forum keeps growing they will probably get quite worried and who knows what will happen then.
But
If you let paranoia take over then they have won and have you, I have noticed since i started posting on here, a black Volvo with two men in, parked just outside my block of flats early in the morning, on a few occasions, but don't let it bother me, could be anything anyway.

[splinterg]

Try and remember they want you to be paranoid, as it's the fuel.

What's the obsession with the mods?

Almost every forum on the internet has mods, otherwise all would be complete unreadable chaos. I never went on this other forum you lot talk about, didn't know it even existed. Used to come on David's site and actually email the web support asking why there wasn't one.

I know what they are talking about though, an experiement wouldn't need to involve any of the mods or David, as a few well orgainsed CIA/MI5 agents could be monitoring and posting disinfo on here, trying to lead us freethinkers up the wrong path.

In fact i would have thought they almost certainly are, if the forum keeps growing they will probably get quite worried and who knows what will happen then.
But
If you let paranoia take over then they have won and have you, I have noticed since i started posting on here, a black Volvo with two men in, parked just outside my block of flats early in the morning, on a few occasions, but don't let it bother me, could be anything anyway.

Too true and yet Paranoia is just an outta control heightened awareness..control that paranoia an your one step ahead

Paranoia is just a word that has been created to explain away a feeling..but the feeling is real..it is natural to feel heightened awareness but NOTto be verbally labelled as paranoia... thus creating a negative smoke screen to hide the natural positive

[ashyr]

just as i said.

so if it is a "EXP" or "CONTROL MECHANISM" or "ANYTHING negative or derogitory" for us brains

so be it. not like this is the only hurdle we have ever had to jump in our life.

we will just jump this one also then.

[splinterg]

just as i said.

so if it is a "EXP" or "CONTROL MECHANISM" or "ANYTHING negative or derogitory" for us brains

so be it. not like this is the only hurdle we have ever had to jump in our life.

we will just jump this one also then.

Me hear ya..neck and neck to the tape

[ashyr]

aye . like your avatar. never seen that 1 before

[kasalt]

Interesting hypothesis. I'm not sure if i'm a good person to answer as i'm the admin for the forum so implicated in your theory.

I am reminded of Voltaire's quote, "If God did not exist it would be necessary to invent him." Except in the case of some in this forum we would have to modify it as follows, "If Big Brother did not exist it would be necessary for some of our forum posters to invent him." Sometimes I think you moderators get accused of being part of the conspiracy more often than do the actual global conspirators...:p

[3rdeye]

hmmm quite a paranoid forum post isnt it??
lol
it wouldnt suprise me at all if there was some one or many people for that matter keeping a close eye on what where are discussing on here but ya know they are probably all laughing at us , seems everytime we get a step closer, the speculation takes us 5 steps back ,
and it seems to me these forums start becoming nothing but a clash of perception , because really if you think about it all we have is perception .. your perception vs my perception vs some body elses perception which is only backed by assumption & validilty of facts .
can anyone ensure that theyre facts are 100% accurate ... unless you were there yourself and sore it ..i dont think so.

faith to me is the mother of assumption and assumption to me is the mother of ALL fuck ups ,
now i think to myself well i know if i have any faith at all it is in myself and is faith is assumption i am merely assuming in myself so there for am i not only making assumptions in my own percspective????
which is really al we are doing ....

i read in an earlier post something about the 'bible' and how no text in history has been more accurate ????
lmfao!!!! now tell me one bit of honest truth from the bilbe aye ??? one bit of fact .... doesnt the bible say that humans have only been here for 10,000 years ?? well that theory went out the window a long time ago , the bible i beleive should be taken VERY metaphoricaly definatly not literally ... and i will feel this way untill the day i see jesus bleeding on the cross for myself , l
lol ill bring the popcorn if you bring the spears ;)

[kblood]

Hehe, if this place is full of people that does not let themselves be controlled, and new material is posted all the time that can awaken people a bit more to the truth... whatever it is. I do not even mind the disinfo. As it has been said before, what is disinfo to some is enlightenment to others, and none of us can know for sure what the truth is. Maybe the only truth is the one most people and beings in the world believe to be true ;)

[nowimgone]

I was a member of the old forum, illusions and a couple of other 'free thinking' forums.
I used to get shit from the same person/people when i posted experiences or views that i know are my own on this forum and the others.
They'd accuse me of being a government agent or just laugh off what i said, dissmissing it and making a mockery of it and getting other people to join in.
Who are these people? They dont stand for what i believe i and others are here for - i.e. trying to make sense of life, our experiences, our minds and our souls and the way we are controlled/ have total control as a species, however wild or way out they might sound.

Its these fuckwits who are the real disruptors. They're literally scared of anyone who doesnt see things their way and will go to the ends of the earth to disprove anything you try to say.
Some of them have they're own little sychophants who follow them and back up what they say, sucking up and being all 'praise him, praise him!!'

This to me reflects the overt social structure you find in any place of work or anywhere where the 'beast' logic is prevalent.
Creating a knowledge based hierachy within this parameter between annonymous persons is bound to be sucessful. Its the blind leading the blind.

I loved the old forum.
I like this one to an extent, but i still come here because i find it extremely interesting, weird english shill puppets and all......

[3rdeye]

Hehe, if this place is full of people that does not let themselves be controlled, and new material is posted all the time that can awaken people a bit more to the truth... whatever it is. I do not even mind the disinfo. As it has been said before, what is disinfo to some is enlightenment to others, and none of us can know for sure what the truth is. Maybe the only truth is the one most people and beings in the world believe to be true ;)

i see our point ..very good :)
i guess you can still find usefull info in disinformation ,
still very hard to sort throguh the propaganda and bullshit sometimes specialy when these guys go so far owt of there way to make it sound like they are right all the time ..

[greenleaf]

Is this forum an "experiment"?

All I can say to this is.. 'It Doesn't Matter' as if the answer was a strict Yes or No.. I doesn't change the fact the someone out there is panicking at the moment and freedom cause is growing.. if we find this becomes a revolution as in hidden resistance... there will always be a spanner in their agenda.

[king triad]

an experiment in communication leading to freedom of the mind, sounds ok to me....

[dmessick]

Yeah, there where allot of disruptions and sour comments made in the old forum but I just ignored them. I like coming to this forum because I feel like I still get to experience compelling 'arguments' and 'answers'.