Leary, The West and Controversy

[d_young]

Hey people

One thing has occurred to me lately. Its about who is into "conspiracies", and how spirituality takes different forms. This will all be hard to write without sounding arrogant and racist, believe me, Im neither...

It seems to me that people are more ignorant to conspiracies the farther east you go. Since none of my asian friends have any interest in these theories, nor are they very spiritual for that matter. They seem to be "worker-bees" as Leary called them in a book somewhere. He was also mentioning the westward movement of the pinnacle of society, how the intelligentsia was in England and other parts of Europe and how it later moved to the states.
Which he believed to be the take off grounds for our space migration. And it seems that we in the west are more inclined to a liberation, both from "the system" and spiritually. I know of course that spiritually you got people in the east that probably are more "advanced" than us in the west. But we've had a huge upswing in awareness as of late, where the awareness in the east seems constant and stagnant.
Could it be that we are the "pinnacle" of the human race? that sounds horrible, but i cant put it any other way. Thats not to say that we are better here in the west, just different, ok? When it comes to black people, I cant speak for Africa, since I've never been there, but in the west, most of the ones I meet seem to be caught up in the system, the ones that are more aware are so politically not spiritually. They are more fit for survival, they seem to be more indigenous to earth than, say, white people... biologically.

So has mankind been moving west, and us westerners are the ones most "awake" and other people, geographically speaking, have merely helped us to get where we are now? And where are we going? Space?

Do you know a lot of people from eastern countries that are awake and aware? And why does it seems that females are less interested in "conspiracies" and are more intuitive, whilst the men are the more political and seemingly more determined to break free from the system? Are we men merely working to pave the way for the matriarchy? :) Anyways... your thoughts?

//Daniel Young

[d_young]

In re-reading this post, I came to the "startling" conclusion that it sounds rather racist :) I just wanted to point out that in no way is that correct. I have friends of all colours, religions etc.

One other thought occurred to me as well. Is it maybe that we in the west are so well off, generally speaking, that we have the time to think about these matters? Whereas people in poor countries are more focused on work and just surviving?

And also, we can all agree that religion (whatever the initial intent) has become a mind control tool, is it a coincidence that we in the west have lost our religion, whilst a lot of other areas and countries in the East, especially middle east, are stuck in their ways?

//Daniel

[barbitone]

Could it be more like that fact that westeners generally have more access to things like the internet and alternative media\info and have become detached from religious constraints etc....?

[d_young]

of course it could be... i blame internet for a lot of things :)

but take people in the asian (oriental countries), and i've spoken to a lot of them, all these concepts about nature of reality, conspiracies etc. are totally new to them. which i find a tad strange...

//Daniel

[tru3]

Hey people

One thing has occurred to me lately. Its about who is into "conspiracies", and how spirituality takes different forms. This will all be hard to write without sounding arrogant and racist, believe me, Im neither...

It seems to me that people are more ignorant to conspiracies the farther east you go. Since none of my asian friends have any interest in these theories, nor are they very spiritual for that matter. They seem to be "worker-bees" as Leary called them in a book somewhere. He was also mentioning the westward movement of the pinnacle of society, how the intelligentsia was in England and other parts of Europe and how it later moved to the states.
Which he believed to be the take off grounds for our space migration. And it seems that we in the west are more inclined to a liberation, both from "the system" and spiritually. I know of course that spiritually you got people in the east that probably are more "advanced" than us in the west. But we've had a huge upswing in awareness as of late, where the awareness in the east seems constant and stagnant.
Could it be that we are the "pinnacle" of the human race? that sounds horrible, but i cant put it any other way. Thats not to say that we are better here in the west, just different, ok? When it comes to black people, I cant speak for Africa, since I've never been there, but in the west, most of the ones I meet seem to be caught up in the system, the ones that are more aware are so politically not spiritually. They are more fit for survival, they seem to be more indigenous to earth than, say, white people... biologically.

So has mankind been moving west, and us westerners are the ones most "awake" and other people, geographically speaking, have merely helped us to get where we are now? And where are we going? Space?

Do you know a lot of people from eastern countries that are awake and aware? And why does it seems that females are less interested in "conspiracies" and are more intuitive, whilst the men are the more political and seemingly more determined to break free from the system? Are we men merely working to pave the way for the matriarchy? :) Anyways... your thoughts?

//Daniel Young

i had heard that theory years ago: that ideas or "memes" start in the east and spread west.

these are pretty broad strokes you're painting here (as you realized in the next post).

my feeling is that chinese society gives the loomies a hardon, and they would like to replicate it all over the planet. my understanding is that because confucianism is so embedded in chinese culture, people are acculturated from birth not to question authority figures or make decisions for oneself.

that makes for a stable society, but it really does not encourage innovation and invention.

that's my take on it, any way.

[barbitone]

It makes more sense just looking at it in terms of culture. Many of the Asian and African places still have their culture in place, whereas the western culture can almost be described as the lack of. Our culture is corporate. Movies and fast food etc..... So it has sort of forced us into a situation whereby we can either accept the corporate culture or not. If we choose not, then we have no other culture to fall back into....know what I mean? So it sort of freed us more than anything. It got so soulless that those that seek soul wind up rejecting the pop-culture (hippy generation) and we become boundless in a sense. Free to see outside of all cultural restraints.

Theory?

[brians201]

One has to bear in mind that the Eastern and African societies have largely been very poor and education has been rudimentary to say the least. Also the last thing that the governments of these poorer nations want to do is educate their populations well enough for them to realise how completely (with the cooperation of the west ) they are being ripped off and abused.
As we now see in India, parts of Africa, the Far East and the Ex Soviet Bloc countries once the populations begin to sniff a little bit of wealth they are sucked in by western materialism and lifestyle and immediately want all the consumerisms that we take for granted in the West.

This grounding hardly lays a foundation for spawning thoughts of conspiracy theories. In fact the reverse is true as they idolise the big corporations and covet their products.
The Gulf States became full of ""Indian Yuppies"" in the late eighties and as one travels through the larger cities of these emerging nations one can see completely how their indigenous cultures have been ravaged by consumerism, ego, wealth and greed.
In a lot of these cultures the notion of ""dressing down"" is not even thought of and the pursuit of material goods is everything.
They are simply going through the cycle the same as the west has done several generations ago starting with the Industrial revolution.

However once one travels into the countryside and remoter regions of the emerging nations one can find spiritually elevated people who still carry the wisdom of earlier civilisations and it one of the reasons why we remember their former cultural glories.

China destroyed a lot of it's own culture and has been ravaging Tibetan culture for decades. Russia destroyed it's culture along with many other countries in the east and all in an attempt to subjugate and opress their populations.

I would suggest now that the overriding culture in most of these regions is now money and this of course is exactly what the puppeteers want as the emerging populations crawl over each other to snap up the new Ipods and smartcams so they can look cool/show off to their peers.

Does that remind you of anywhere you know ??

[d_young]

Oh, I know very well that what Im saying doesnt sit well with most people. But that's only because we like to grade things and people, and then compare them. "blacks...oooh, i give them a 4. But the muslims... dont like them one bit, i'll give them a 0" and thats how we usually think. Thing is just that people are different, and there's no ranking system. We're all one "team" here on earth, not everyone is a forward, you have the other players... goalie...and... damn, i dont know the first thing about football :) Point is that maybe we're all working together, in a way, towards the same goal.

I just find this all quite odd. I would love to meet an oriental female who's into all this stuff :)

//Daniel

[d_young]

yeah baby, its all about the rockin the latest ipod. soon they'll release iPod micropod, which is "just a microship implant" which can receive radio signals straight into your head, and all you do is press your head against the computer screen to put new songs onto it, then a little wee thing on your visual cortex that gives you the menu system visually in front of you. yay! its gonna be great :)

Anyway... I wanted to touch on what you said about cycles and that they are merely going through what we have. Maybe thats the case, but at the same time, they (=eastern countries) were around before us, and were way more advanced. They just reached a level where their progress kind of stagnated and then the next civilisation to the west took over. Maybe they will fall into the same cycle as we here have done, maybe they wont. What if we dont take off into space, does that mean that the pinnacle of civilisation is going around once more, and that East is the new West?

One more thing is that my oriental friends in London, they have the same opportunity as me to look into these things, but they dont... they dont know the first thing about it. they might've heard something about 9/11 sometime somewhere, but it's not something they paid any attention too.

//Daniel

[brians201]

yeah baby, its all about the rockin the latest ipod. soon they'll release iPod micropod, which is "just a microship implant" which can receive radio signals straight into your head, and all you do is press your head against the computer screen to put new songs onto it, then a little wee thing on your visual cortex that gives you the menu system visually in front of you. yay! its gonna be great :)

Anyway... I wanted to touch on what you said about cycles and that they are merely going through what we have. Maybe thats the case, but at the same time, they (=eastern countries) were around before us, and were way more advanced. They just reached a level where their progress kind of stagnated and then the next civilisation to the west took over. Maybe they will fall into the same cycle as we here have done, maybe they wont. What if we dont take off into space, does that mean that the pinnacle of civilisation is going around once more, and that East is the new West?

One more thing is that my oriental friends in London, they have the same opportunity as me to look into these things, but they dont... they dont know the first thing about it. they might've heard something about 9/11 sometime somewhere, but it's not something they paid any attention too.

//Daniel


Yeah I kinda see what you mean Daniel but I think it has literally been bred out of them with the amount of time .. centuries ... that they have been downtrodden. I have lived and worked in quite a few of those regions and there is not a lot of questioning going on. The influx of Christianity played it's part in dumbing down Africa and the distorted Muslim religions widely enforced has done the same to the Middle East. And i use the word enforced deliberately.
Also don't forget that our own lands were populated by Celts who knew how to open all the doors .. We too have a very deep and significant history of esoteric knowledge in our own culture.

[d_young]

im just a viking boy myself. sure, we had our rituals and stuff, but nothing beats some good ol' pillaging, raping and drinking. Come to think of it, that's pretty much what west is doing now but on a bigger scale.

Maybe you're right, it might've been bred out of them throughout history. Its hard to know of course, like they say, history books have been written by the winners. It remains interesting to note the westward movement, and it will be interesting to note whats going to happen next. Especially when America, according to some, has been built to collapse or will collapse on its own soon enough. A giant launch pad, and nothing will be left but rubble once the rocket has taken off. The rapture... maybe just a space ship that can only fit 144 000 or whatever the magic number is?

//Daniel

[2013]

my feeling is that chinese society gives the loomies a hardon, and they would like to replicate it all over the planet.

I thought a loomie was a person you shared a room with in a chinese college.

the old ones are still the best , fuck political correctness , im off to the pub for a cigarette and i dont even smoke .Just because BILL HICKS Died doesnt mean we are no longer free to think for ourselves , its easy to nod off once you have woken up , why do you think they put a snooze on alarm clocks . a bit of a rant sorry but hey its all divide and conquer if we only talk to each other a bit more it can never work for them .:D

[zoloko]

I lived in Tunisa,Lebanon and recently spent two and a half years in Morocco. And only in Lebanon are there quite a few people speaking and reading English! My Moroccan friends are all interested in this stuff, but few can read English, so even if they are very interested, they have no chance following this!! Would be amacing for many of them, to be able to recieve this site in French! But maybe if we go on, we can do a lot more with this forum!!!!!!!!!!:D