Standing in court

[miked]

Standing in Court by the

Mike-Thomas Comedy Product

I enjoyed it when I first watched the Antiterrorist standing in court. It made sense to me, common sense.

It was only today that I fully realised the power and implications of this video.

Having followed the Freeman ideas over the last 3 months I have recently started to test my own theories. After having many conversations over the past couple weeks, with other freeman, the police, local council and barristers, I have come to my own understanding of reality through studying the work of other people and reflecting on my own life.

I thought that going to my local courts to sit in the public gallery would be a good next step, as I am currently being inundated with court summons!

Today i attended my local magistrates with a friend. On entering, the proceedings were already underway and there were a number of what looked like University studnets taking notes in the public gallery. My friend and I sat at the front.

Part way through the hearing, the magistrates had to go off somewhere to talk about the business at hand. When they stood to leave, the court usher, who was stood close by, said "All stand!"

At this point I had a image flash before my minds eye of a man in a balaclava and dark sunglasses wearing a wig shouting "Roll up, roll up, watch the pea, watch the pea...thank you very much for your money sir!"

So I did not stand in court! After all, I didn't even know who "All" was!

Nobody of the court saw this and so I thought " Great, it works! I don't have to contract with your offer" Yeah, right!!

5mins later the magis returned.

"All stand" said the usher.

This time he saw me. He repeated his demand. At this point I looked around and saw the three magis and everyone else in the court room still standing, staring at me, waiting for the one person in the court room who was not standing to stand!

I looked at the usher who had ordered me, right in the eyes, and clamly said
" Am I obilged to do that under Law"

He replied "You have to, its common law"

"Who am I standing for?" I asked, to which he replied "The Queen"

My response to this was "I will certainly stand for the Queen! I would like to meet her! Is she coming out now?" As I was saying this I started to stand.

As sson as I was upright I realised the whole room was silent and I hope that had gone on record! Everyone, bar my friend and I, then proceeded to sit. At which point we were the only was left standing. The usher, in a bit of a fluster, gestured to us to sit, so we did.

The case finished off very quickly and as the new victim was being ushered in I politely asked the usher " I am studying law and would be greatful if you could tell me the name of the statutue that obliges me to stand when you tell me to?

To this he replied "You need to speak to her" pointing at the clerk/court solictor. So I asked him how I would be best to approach her, at which point he walked over to have a word gesturing in my direction.

The clerk/court solicitor rose and asked me to leave!

I replied "On what grounds?" upon which she repeated her statement.

I thought 'thats enough for one day' and walked out, leaving my friend behind.

As no one followed me, I walked up to the reception and asked if someone could give the name of the law which means I have to stand when told. Then I thought 'Hang I did stand, and when I asked why I was asked to leave they repeated what they had just said!' What had I been thrown out for?

I asked to speak with a court solicitor. Within seconds I was surrounded by 4 security guards. Note book and pen to the rescucue!

Can I have your names please? I asked. One came within inches of grabbing me but I stood my ground by staring him out and saying calmly a few righteous words, he backed right off like a yapping jack russell that had been given a firm boot over the neighbours fence by the milk man! ( I seen this wen I was a kid, stuck with me!)

A quick game of highly pitched mental chess insued!

Then the fun started! " I will get the police" shouted one of the private security men. "Yes" I cried, "that would be helpful as this court is committing fraud on me!"

I will wait here for them!

The guards repaeated that I had to leave to which I just asked "Are you telling me or asking me to leave?" They would not TELL me to leave!

Then I noticed that some of the lawyers had come out of the court room so see what was happening and the hearing was obviously on hold.

Starting to feel very threatened I decided I would go and wait for the police outside.

When happen next was literally UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Today has evidenced the fact

1; There is no justice in our courts
2; Most of our police are FUCKED IN THE HEAD and will do you harm
3; Everything in their world is fictional bullshit founded on their own fears
4; Its all just business and money and contracts and business and money and....

5; There is hope

Peace and love to everyone of you, including, but not limited to, those Bastards who go by the name of the police, the courts and every other corporate bollocks.

My time has come, just as yours is coming to an end

[jojo]

haha, nice one! so did the police turn up?

[miked]

haha, nice one! so did the police turn up?

Damn right they did, running from the car!

I was stood outside having a fag so I waved with a smile and said " I think you are here for me!"

This is the weird bit! They were called by a CID copper who I had actually been sat in court near me! He was refusing to give me his badge number at the door so he got the police to come and ID him for me!?!?!

They wanted my name etc and said if I didn't give it them they would arrest me for breech of the peace!

[jojo]

Damn right they did, running from the car!

I was stood outside having a fag so I waved with a smile and said " I think you are here for me!"

This is the weird bit! They were called by a CID copper who I had actually been sat in court near me! He was refusing to give me his badge number at the door so he got the police to come and ID him for me!?!?!

They wanted my name etc and said if I didn't give it them they would arrest me for breech of the peace!

ha, this story is brill! I like your guts miked...

what did the coppers say to your question then?

[outelligent]

When you attend the public gallery do you have to give your name and sign something?

I don't see why you would cause yourself this hassle, if your there by choice. You have entered the public gallery I would consider it polite to play by there rules at least until you are appearing as the defendant under summons.

Remembering that the court staff are only doing their jobs, its not there fault the system is a mess.

Never the less Its interesting to read. ;)

[pri01]

What is the correct definition of breech of the peace?:confused:

[miked]

When you attend the public gallery do you have to give your name and sign something?

I don't see why you would cause yourself this hassle, if your there by choice. You have entered the public gallery I would consider it polite to play by there rules at least until you are appearing as the defendant under summons.

Remembering that the court staff are only doing their jobs, its not there fault the system is a mess.

Never the less Its interesting to read. ;)

Its everyones fault the 'system' is a mess! It is only there because of our collective ignorance!

I was playing by their rules, its just that when I asked for copy of their rules they obviously didn't want me to see them, so they told me to leave! If you were there and you had seen the response is was getting. The CID copper said he wouldn't talk to me until the police arrived! Whats that mean!?!

Fuck me it was amazing, you should have seen him run when I reminded him he swore an oath "So help me God!" to the people.

I do remember they are just doing a job and its because they continue to perpetuate their own ignorance through their greed they THEY HAVE A JOB.

I WOULD RATHER THEY HAVE A FUCKING LIFE THAN A JOB!

[miked]

ha, this story is brill! I like your guts miked...

what did the coppers say to your question then?

I am sure the young BIG copper was on something! Either he was just showing how big he could be infront of a CID officer or he really did want to rip off my head and shit down my neck I don't know.

It was all very weird, I kept asking " Am I under arrest?" he said no, "Am I free to go?" he said no! This repeated several times before he looked like he was going to do the above!

After all this I asked if I was banned from the courts to which they said no.

"It will be ok if I come tommorrow then will it?" I asked, to which they had to say yes!

Im taking a flask, their coffee is shit!!!

[miked]

When you attend the public gallery do you have to give your name and sign something?

I don't see why you would cause yourself this hassle, if your there by choice. You have entered the public gallery I would consider it polite to play by there rules at least until you are appearing as the defendant under summons.

Remembering that the court staff are only doing their jobs, its not there fault the system is a mess.

Never the less Its interesting to read. ;)

Sorry, forgot to add this bit!

You don't have to sign in, you just go straight in! Be polite, tell them at the desk you are studying Law and ask what cases are on! If anyone asks you are "A concerned member of the public" they fucking know exactly what this means!

[miked]

Its like we know they have us over a barrel with our pants down then we go and offer to put it in for them!!

[the worm that turned]

Its like we know they have us over a barrel with our pants down then we go and offer to put it in for them!!

Great story. It is all just an ACT in the COURT. Easy to say sat behind my PC but you should have remained standing and then when the judge/magistrate asked you should have said, "I was informed by the clerk of the court that we are all to stand for the Queen, please can you confirm if and when she is coming?"

You surely cannot be held in contempt if you are following the instructions of the clerk. Next time, Gadget, next time!

[dondaz]

I don't see why you would cause yourself this hassle, if your there by choice. You have entered the public gallery I would consider it polite to play by there rules at least until you are appearing as the defendant under summons.

Remembering that the court staff are only doing their jobs, its not there fault the system is a mess.

Just doing their jobs, what a cop out that is. I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders, I was only following orders...

...and then they get to someone at the top, what is their pathetic excuse? I was only ordering followers!

Great way to go miked. They were scared of being questioned because they falsely believe they have authority over you and who are you to question 'their' system. This is what it's about mate.

Even a member of the public is consenting and submitting to the courts jurisdiction by obeying an order from anyone who is an agent for the court. 'All rise, ' or whatever is creating joinder and consent. Think about it.

Keep up the good work mate;)

[miked]

Nice one Dondaz!!

I knew the first thing that was said to me was an order to create joinder. It was questioning this that got me thrown out. Looking back, they didn't actually throw me out they asked me to leave! I then said "on wot grounds?".

The tone changed very quickly after this and if im honest, I shit myself!!!

I was told by the very large copper outside that if I had to give my name under Section 1 of PACE! He then said, when I questioned this, that if I didn't give my name he would arrest me for breech of the peace under common law!!!!

Now, some of you may be laughing at this point but I hope it is nervous laughter to hold back tears! This kind of shit is serious!

Make no mistake, I am the law, judgement day is upon us! (Im going back tommorrow!) ;)

[the worm that turned]

Nice one Dondaz!!

I knew the first thing that was said to me was an order to create joinder. It was questioning this that got me thrown out. Looking back, they didn't actually throw me out they asked me to leave! I then said "on wot grounds?".

The tone changed very quickly after this and if im honest, I shit myself!!!

I was told by the very large copper outside that if I had to give my name under Section 1 of PACE! He then said, when I questioned this, that if I didn't give my name he would arrest me for breech of the peace under common law!!!!

Now, some of you may be laughing at this point but I hope it is nervous laughter to hold back tears! This kind of shit is serious!

Make no mistake, I am the law, judgement day is upon us! (Im going back tommorrow!) ;)

I (and many others I am sure) eagerly await the outcome! Good luck

[girlgye]

I have seen a similar experience to this thats why I brought it up at the conference. It's all very well giving us lessons in how to address the judge if you ain't gonna get passed the standing in Court dialogue. Once you follow a direct order, you are in admiralty and no longer in Common Law. You need to turn it around and address the Clerk to the Justice (Solicitor advising the Jurisprudence). He/She as you know is sat right in front of them. You need his/her name also. Then when you address your question you return it with a rhetorical statement 'Would it be ok with you for me to sit?' If he says all stand/sit then just keep asking if it is ok until he relents and says yes. If he doesn't then walk out. If you start getting confrontational straight away you are in contempt of their court. You entered it so you can't expect anything else.

Interesting that they are talking about common law eh? Arresting under common law for breach of the peace. How can it be common Law if you are in admiralty? Maybe ask that but they are peace officers and I think they can arrest you for that reason. That's why it's important to get your questions just right.

Good practice and thanx for being brave enough to post it. You pioneer you.

[pri01]

I have seen a similar experience to this thats why I brought it up at the conference. It's all very well giving us lessons in how to address the judge if you ain't gonna get passed the standing in Court dialogue. Once you follow a direct order, you are in admiralty and no longer in Common Law. You need to turn it around and address the Clerk to the Justice (Solicitor advising the Jurisprudence). He/She as you know is sat right in front of them. You need his/her name also. Then when you address your question you return it with a rhetorical statement 'Would it be ok with you for me to sit?' If he says all stand/sit then just keep asking if it is ok until he relents and says yes. If he doesn't then walk out. If you start getting confrontational straight away you are in contempt of their court. You entered it so you can't expect anything else.

Interesting that they are talking about common law eh? Arresting under common law for breach of the peace. How can it be common Law if you are in admiralty? Maybe ask that but they are peace officers and I think they can arrest you for that reason. That's why it's important to get your questions just right.

Good practice and thanx for being brave enough to post it. You pioneer you.

This has probably been covered and I haven't picked up on it yet, but what is the difference between common and admiralty law?

[arten]

Ok I find this interesting, when the clerk of the court told you that you were standing for the Queen, you could have stated I am a Freeman and Not her Subject PMSL that puts them into ZugZwang does it not.
Once you backdown by following the direct order you render yourself a Subject to the German Reppie and give away your Soverign Birth Rights all over again. I tak my hat off to you for going in there but if you are going to engage in the game you need better preperation and you need to be prepared to go the whole way.

[scotfree]

Wonderfull story. Best wishes ........

[magickman]

The OP makes a good point. Standing up for your rights is a fundamental step in showing the Powers where you stand, and that you are not a ward, a chattel, or a property or commodity to be owned, but rather a Sovereign Individual of a Republic, not a Corporate Democracy. It also makes the policeman or court employee take a good look at where they stand too, whether they will admit it or not. I had asked police officers where they will stand if civil conflict comes between the government and the people, and all, so far, say they will stand with the People. Stand above the Statutes whenever you can, and do not make contract with anyone in power, for they will use it against you. Sign everything with this:

XXXX XXXXXX, sui juris, UCC1-207
All Rights Reserved

And never give over your Social Security number for needed services, or anything else. See here:

Section 7 of PL 93-579
[the Federal Privacy Act of 1974, 5 USC 552a note]

Sec. 7 (a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security account number.
(2) the provisions of paragraph (1) of this subsection shall not apply with respect to--
(A) any disclosure which is required by Federal statute, or
(B) any disclosure of a social security number to any Federal, State, or local agency maintaining a system of records in existence and operating before January 1, 1975, if such disclosure was required under statute or regulation adopted prior to such date to verify the identity of an individual.
(b) Any Federal, State or local government agency which requests an individual to disclose his social security account number shall inform that individual whether that disclosure is mandatory or voluntary, by what statutory or other authority such number is solicited, and what uses will be made of it.
http://www.fairfaxcountyprivacycouncil.org/Section7oftheFederalPrivacyAct.html.htm

Disclosure of social security number. Act Dec. 31, 1974, P.L. 93-579, Section 7, 88 Stat. 1909, provided:

"(b) Any Federal, State, or local government agency which

requests an individual to disclose his social security

account number shall inform that individual whether that

disclosure is mandatory or voluntary, by what statutory or

other authority such number is solicited, and what uses will

be made of it."




Comments by Paul Mitchell follow:



Congress deliberately failed to codify this statute in Title 5 of the United States Code. You will find it embedded at the end of the historical notes within the Privacy Act. When a government employee was sued for violating this Act, he asserted ignorance of the law as his defense. The court upheld this defense, thus creating an important exception to the general rule that ignorance of the law is no excuse. My reading of this decision is that the court was giving silent judicial notice to the fact that Congress actually "hid" the law; thus, the court's holding did not really overturn the maxim (ignorance is not excuse); is merely recognized that fraud vitiates everything, even the most solemn promises.

I have taken this statute and reduced it down to the size of a standard credit card. Then, I laminated it in plastic and saved it in my wallet. Later, I gave it away to an attendee of one of Lynne Meredith's seminars; the attendee was mostly incredulous that such a law even existed. It is very easy to make another one. I prefer to take a photocopy right out of the law books, and to laminate that photocopy. Try it! It is always very powerful to witness these laws yourself, at the local county law library. Take this email message down to the reference librarian, and see if s/he can locate it for you. The Privacy Act can be found in the reference volume which lists statutes by name. Good luck!
http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/pl93-579/pl93-579.htm

I too carry the law around in my wallet, and with it presented at the time of asking me for the number, it has educated a lot of people. I have been in and out of hospitals for the past 22 years. The hospital, much like anyone else, prints your name out in all caps. I always force them to change it to it's natural state, caps and lower case. When I tell the employees what the all caps name means, it makes them think. And when a police officer confronts someone who knows the law, and asserts sovereignty over the cop, they too step back and think about it. You are above them, they are public servants, nothing more or less. they work for you, not the other way around. If they wish to spend State money on investigating you,let them! Then point out the waste to those who administer the funds. Fight traffic tickets for all you can, and demand to know where the arresting office gets his/her power to detain you in the first place. When they say, "the State," inform them that a "State" is an act of Congress, not the ground you stand on. Demand to question the device that presents evidence against you, ask who installed it, and who calibrated it? (This is supposed to be done by qualified technicians from the manufacturer) Go to the station and look at the FCC license. My own daughter beat a speeding ticket this way, the license was two years out of date at the time.

When your name is read off, (all caps, of course) Say this:
"I am the secured party." Never admit that you are the straw man on their record. If a criminal court judge is sitting on you case, he is out of his jurisdiction, you are supposed to be in a Justice of the Peace court instead.

[miked]

I didn't manage to get back to the magis the next day but I was left with a lot to think about! I was determined to stand up for myself.

On Sun I went to Preston Police station to submit formal allegations against the three officers who dealt with me outside the court. They had been telling me that I would be arrested under Sec1 PACE and/or breech of the peace!?! and I felt very threatened!

I met Srgt Logan at 08.00. She initially tried fobbing me off with complaints procedure bullshit which I wasn't having any of! She did begin to engage with me in a conversation, in which she stated that she doesn't know the law! I also got her on her oath by getting her to admit she had sworn under the queen and God to serve the people(me) and NOT the police!

She got so frustrated she collecting up the forms she had brought in and said, "I will go and get the chief inspector." , and quickly left the room. A couple of minutes later the CI came through the door and said, "Mr.DOBSON?"

"I am not a Mr, I go by the name Mike", says I. He said " Hi Mike" and gave me his first name.

Within two or three minutes I had him on his oath admitting that he didn't know the Law! After just a couple more questions he gave me the pearl!

I asked him, " Is ANYONE obliged to give ANY information to the police when asked?".

He turned to Srgt logan and said, "No one is obliged to give any information to the police!"

Now he was shaking like a shitting dog and you could hear it in his voice! "I can't answer anymore questions now" he said, " I have prisoners to attend to!" Really!, I thought, "have they been convicted of a crime?" I was going ask, but his intensions were clear - get the fuck out of there!

So, for anyone seeking guidence may I suggest giving Chief Inspector Morgan 2789 a ring at Lancashire Constabulry on 0845 125 3545 and ask him whether you are obliged to give ANY info to ANY police office EVER!

Next time I get hassaled by the police I will just tell them "Sorry mate, but this is what your CI told me. Are you calling him a liar?" Ha Ha

MikeD

[stemcg1983]

ha ha quality, after reading up on this freeman concept, everytime i see a copper or a cso i actually want them to approach me. then i can tell them where to go obviously in civilised manor lol

[wakeupworld]

Brilliant miked:D

[runlikehell]

LOL miked, I remember being in court (in the dock) and was still standing when the judge came in and sat down! :mad: She was raging!

I had to go back a few months later, and stayed seated when she came in and sat down! :mad::mad: Oh F****! she was furious!

I got a right shouting at, and burst out laughing! Untill i was nearly taken down stairs :eek:

I was acused of being involved in a fight which was later proved i wasent.

When she started speaking to me at the end, just before i was told i could leave, i was still seated (your ment to stand up then) :mad::mad::mad::mad:

She basicly said: if she is unfortunate to see me in her court again, she would not hesitate in jailing me.

I was about to protest that that statement was unjustified, and if i ever appered in front of her again, i wouldent get a fair trial.

But was promptly, pulled out the dock, out the court room, and roughly escorted out the building! Who do you call when the police are rough handeling you out a "COURT" in front of other police, sheriffs, public, ect!
:rolleyes:

Worst thing about being in court, taking that bloody oath!

(and the coffe :p)

[arten]

But was promptly, pulled out the dock, out the court room, and roughly escorted out the building! Who do you call when the police are rough handeling you out a "COURT" in front of other police, sheriffs, public, ect!
:rolleyes:

Worst thing about being in court, taking that bloody oath!

(and the coffe :p)

Mate when we get organised you will be able to call other FreeMen and then you will be able to arrest them for violating Common Law and assulting you without just cause and if you want a Freeman Lawyer here I am :D I will put all them tits in a trance and say Don't Jump Out of the Window Jump Through it :eek:

[runlikehell]

Mate when we get organised you will be able to call other FreeMen and then you will be able to arrest them for violating Common Law and assulting you without just cause and if you want a Freeman Lawyer here I am :D I will put all them tits in a trance and say Don't Jump Out of the Window Jump Through it :eek:

Thank's Arten, but that was years ago now, theres nothing i can do now.
I wasent struggleing with them being abuseive, or anything :rolleyes:

(Apart from a few whistles of the laurl and Hardy the Theme tune at them)

only when i was half way out the building though LOL!

There was a couple of comments from people standing around (public) Like: look what they are doing to that guy!

Hands off em you dirty back B*******! (black as in colour of uniform)

Let's not forget that these people are representitives of the Queen!

I also remember there was some trouble with two groups of guy's when i was a teenager, and lot's of people were standing watching it. Then these idiots pull up with their cars and vans, the two groups scattered and they were running about trying to catch them.

I was standing speaking to a friends mother (and clearly had nothing to do with it) and one of them comes up grabs me and put's me in a police car!

Slams the door shut and goes off to get someone else (clearly thinking he was it)

But the bloody idiot had left the window half open, and i just stuck my arm out open the door from the outside (child safety locks) and done a runner!:p

Want to noise up the old plod? walk past them and give them A few lines of the laurl and Hardy Theme tune, at them! Works everytime!

But i must warn you! you could be charged with breach of the peace!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNssIhS7ATc

:D:D

[jimmi]

Excellent thread and posts Mike, really encouraging to know that others are preparing to play and beat them at their own game! Especially when you went to the police station and presented them with their own evidence and did it without sinking to an ' I'm better than you' level.

Remember that every copper is a human being just like you and me and on the whole they want to protect the freedoms that we all want, Rob Menard taught me to think of them as your own naughty child , you shouldn't wish to hurt your child when they make a mistake as they learn right from wrong, so let's all make an effort to keep the peace with our police;)