Why Do Astronauts Experience God?

[arten]

Why Do Astronauts Experience God?

By Rebecca Sato
Source: Daily Galaxy

In February, 1971, Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell experienced the little understood phenomenon sometimes called the “Overview Effect”.

He describes being completely engulfed by a profound sense of universal connectedness. Without warning, he says, a feeing of bliss, timelessness, and connectedness began to overwhelm him.

He describes becoming instantly and profoundly aware that each of his constituent atoms were connected to the fragile planet he saw in the window and to every other atom in the Universe. He described experiencing an intense awareness that Earth, with its humans, other animal species, and systems were all one synergistic whole.

He says the feeling that rushed over him was a sense of interconnected euphoria. He was not the first—nor the last—to experience this strange “cosmic connection”.

Rusty Schweikart experienced it on March 6th 1969 during a spacewalk outside his Apollo 9 vehicle: “When you go around the Earth in an hour and a half, you begin to recognize that your identity is with that whole thing. That makes a change…it comes through to you so powerfully that you’re the sensing element for Man.” Schweikart, similar to what Mitchell experienced, describes intuitively sensing that everything is profoundly connected.

Their experiences, along with dozens of other similar experiences described by other astronauts, intrigue scientists who study the brain. This “Overview Effect”, or acute awareness of all matter as synergistically connected, sounds somewhat similar to certain religious experiences described by Buddhist monks, for example.

Where does it come from and why?

Andy Newberg, a neuroscientist/physician with a background in space medicine, is learning how to identify the markers of someone who has had the experience. “You can often tell when you’re with someone who has flown in space,” he says, “It’s palpable.” Andy scans brains for a living: praying nuns, transcendental mediators, and others in the act of focused states.

Newberg can pinpoint regions in subjects’ gray matter that correlate to these circumstances. Newberg is seriously looking at how to fly equipment that could study—in action—the brain functions of space travelers. If this Overview Effect is a real, physiological phenomenon—he wants to watch it happen.

Newberg’s first test subject will not be a paid astronaut, but rather a paying space tourist: Reda Andersen slated to fly with Rocketplane Kistler says, “It would be criminal NOT to study the first of us (space adventure travelers).”

After decades of study and contemplation about his experience, Ed Mitchell believes that the feeling of “oneness” with the Universe that he and others have experienced is a consequence of little understood quantum physics.

In a recent interview with writer Diana deRegnier of American Chronicle, Mitchell explains how the event changed his life and his entire perspective on the world and how each of us fits into the grand scale of the cosmos.

“Four hundred years ago. the philosopher Rene Descartes came to the conclusion that physicality, spirituality, mind and body belonged to different realms of reality that didn't interact. Now, that served the purpose to get the Inquisition off the backs of the intellectuals so they could disagree on material things with the church and without the fear of being burned at the stake. So that ended that, but it did cause, for four hundred years, science to consider consciousness and mind a subject for philosophy and religion and not a subject for science.

Now, one of the things that happened, in the 1940s, was the mathematician, physicist, Norbert Wiener (MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology) for the first time really defined information as the negative of entropy, and entropy as the idea of the universe is running down and wastes energy. But, Wiener defined information as the negative of entropy, and that's wonderful but it didn't go far enough.”

Mitchell says that in an attempt to fill in some of the missing gap, the 2008 revised edition of his book The Way of the Explorer explores the largely ignored science of human consciousness. Using what he calls the “dyadic model” he outlines the “two faces” of energy. “Instead of being two separate things, it's the energy as the basis of our existence in matter. And, it’s the basis of our knowing and information,” Mitchell explains.

“We had not had, in science, a definition of consciousness. The only definition of consciousness from the dictionary is that at its basic level it is awareness. Consciousness means to be aware, and then we have different levels of consciousness depending upon how complex the substance is. It has been demonstrated many times over in laboratories that basic awareness is demonstrable at the level of plants, at simple bacteria, at simple life forms.

This is done with Faraday cages. It's shown that this information at this deep level, at the quantum level, can transcend electromagnetic theory. And, now we're getting into quantum physics and we don´t want to go there at this point. But it's a very fundamental notion that awareness is at the very basis of things.”

Mitchell believes that perhaps both the theologians and scientists have missed the mark.

“All I can suggest to the mystic and the theologian is that our gods have been too small; they fill the universe. And to the scientist all I can say is that the gods do exist; they are the eternal, connected, and aware Self experienced by all intelligent beings.'

In response to DeRegnier questioning whether or not Mitchell believes in the idea of God, he responds that while he does not believe in the traditional “grandfather figure” version of God, “we do have great mystery about what is the origin of the universe, how it came to be. There's a great deal of question as to whether the big bang is the correct answer to the way the universe arose, and under what auspices and conditions. I don't think we have the full answers to that yet. Hopefully in due course we'll be able to find a much better way to describe all this.”

But while Mitchell does not claim to know how to perfectly interpret his experience, he is certain that it was a glimpse into a largely ignored reality: People, places and things are all more closely connected than they sometimes appear. He also mentions the need for better stewardship of our precious planet.

“The great thinker Buckminster Fuller, philosopher, now deceased but for a goodly portion of the twentieth century, pointed out at the beginning of our space exploration that we are the crew of ‘space ship earth’. But we 're a crew of mutiny and how can you run a space ship with a mutinous crew?”

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[size_of_light]

If you lived your whole life locked in a broom closet under the stairs and then stepped out into the sunshine of the wider world one day, it would be an awe-inspiring, mystical experience too.

And if you'd grown up in a small wooden box from birth, to be released into a spacious broom closet would trigger feelings of bliss and wonder.

The novelty would wear off soon enough though, and space is no different.

I bet astronauts who've spent extended periods in space on the orbiting stations have found that the feelings fade pretty quickly and the experience ends up being as mundane as any other.

[1977]

Because there exists an electromagnetic "net" surrounding the Earth that shuts down our higher consciousness.

I wish I was joking.

[pleasuredome]

very interesting! thanks

[synergy777]

read something similar before. i think its down to perspective/context. when you go to space, see earth, etc, you realise the majesty of creation, you realise the perfection of it, the intelligent design of it. the universe, planets, nature etc, are all proof of god to me.

also the beauty of space/cosmos, the colours, galaxies, stars, nebulas, its awesome, much more than the product of random events eg athiest's please take note, lol.

science/maths/nature/art is proof of god!

[arten]

If you lived your whole life locked in a broom closet under the stairs and then stepped out into the sunshine of the wider world one day, it would be an awe-inspiring, mystical experience too.

And if you'd grown up in a small wooden box from birth, to be released into a spacious broom closet would trigger feelings of bliss and wonder.

The novelty would wear off soon enough though, and space is no different.

I bet astronauts who've spent extended periods in space on the orbiting stations have found that the feelings fade pretty quickly and the experience ends up being as mundane as any other.

Plato's Cave Right? :D

[armoured_amazon]

It's an awesome, life-changing feeling. :)

[picha]

read something similar before. i think its down to perspective/context. when you go to space, see earth, etc, you realise the majesty of creation, you realise the perfection of it, the intelligent design of it. the universe, planets, nature etc, are all proof of god to me.

also the beauty of space/cosmos, the colours, galaxies, stars, nebulas, its awesome, much more than the product of random events eg athiest's please take note, lol.

science/maths/nature/art is proof of god!

No its just circular logic actually.

[lightgiver]

What are the chances of this happening any where :) the universe how amazing.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/347/sunseton5.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunseton5.jpg)

How wonderful :) spiritual some may even say :)

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9400/starchild.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starchild.jpg)

and this also ;)

[arten]

LG have you ever read the book The Death of Forever by the late Biologist Daryl Reanney? In that book he relates the passage of Genesis about the waters of the deep with the embryo bouncing around in the embryonic sac.
Which is probably the nearest experience we have of being in space and the closest we are to God.

[alexc]

Because there exists an electromagnetic "net" surrounding the Earth that shuts down our higher consciousness.

I wish I was joking.

It's one of the reasons a Moon landing isn't possible.

[lightgiver]

LG have you ever read the book The Death of Forever by the late Biologist Daryl Reanney? In that book he relates the passage of Genesis about the waters of the deep with the embryo bouncing around in the embryonic sac.
Which is probably the nearest experience we have of being in space and the closest we are to God.

I have not but i will give it a google ,cheers :) and for others here we go.

A pastor-friend wrote:

Anyone understanding Darryl Reanney?

A question for you more learned and intellectual thinkers out there.

One of our playgroup mums who is doing the Introducing God course with us is rather keen and passionate about the ideas put forward by Darryl Reanney. From what I can understand it all seems a bit pantheistic/psychological concept of humanity and universe. This description alone gives you a good idea I have no real grasp of the thinking of this man. So any of you heavy hitters out there come across his writing - eg The Death of Forever. What is he on about and what is a Christian critique of his view?

My response:

I'm not learned re Darryl Reanney, but with this sort of question, researching the guy in Google is a beginning...

And there you pick up ideas like:

* Microbiologist Darryl Reanney, in his book Music of the Mind, comments that our primary mode of physical expression, language, fractures Truth.

* The late Darryl Reanney believed that three of our most common fears (vertigo, a fear of falling from a height; claustrophobia, a fear of closed spaces; and agoraphobia, a fear of open spaces) are all metaphors for our fear of death.

* The root of human suffering is independent of sickness. The fundamental human suffering is knowledge of mortality. What to do? The culturally sanctioned solution, Reanney believes, is "the pursuit of happiness", or "pleasuring". That's the attractive road to salvation, but its effect is to deepen the malaise. The authentic road to salvation passes through the anguish of acceptance of death; one must die many times.

Reanney writes:

"Is this then the meaning of life? To struggle, to bleed in silence, to grow through suffering? Is comfort the necessary adversary of growth? . . . My answer has to be yes."

And you might all-too-quickly associate him with theosophy, eastern mysticism etc. He finds many clues to the mysteries of life and death in traditional religions and morality, but Reanney is a secularist with no brief for organised religion.

~~

Eg. Music of the Mind by Darryl Reanney

An Adventure into Consciousness: written in prose that is almost poetry, asks us to imagine a harmonious infinity, a perfect cycle of creation, life, death and renewal that affects every part of this universe.We are taken on a journey into consciousness, back to the beginning of time and forward to an endless wholistic future.

Or:

After Death, A New Future for Human Consciousness by Darryl Reanney

I saved this book for last because it is my all time favorite text on the subject of death. Unfortunately for the planet Darryl Reanney died of leukemia while working on his second book so we will not have the benefit of his thoughtful and painstakingly exact logic on this subject again. However, as a molecular biologist his study of death covers physiological, psychological, historical, philosophical and cosmological aspects. It is one of the most beautiful and elegant presentations of man's thinking on the subject and his analytical structure and conscientious word style allows any novice thinker to follow his train of thought and ponder along the way. I have read this book many times and intend to continue to do so. My hope is that anyone with an interest or a fear in the business of life will take time to read this book about death. P. Elizabeth

More on Darryl Reanney: http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/peter/selected-correspondence/corr-reanney.htm

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Now the mature - albeit amateur - theologian will not stop there.

There's a larger question: what is 'truth' and where is it found? Can we discern *any* of God's truth in New Age, pagan, secular etc. writers as well as in the Scriptures and Our Particular Group's interpretation thereof?

One of my clients, Dawn Rowan, (see http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/4728.htm ) is happy for people to know she's a 'deconverted Christian' partly because the conservative Christians she's met are not good at listening, and believe they have a total monopoly on 'truth'. If they were more humble about mystery and ambiguity as well as 'authority' she might find herself being more interested in the corner of the total 'truth' they inhabit... (She accepts that I have generally a 'progressive-to-radical evangelical' stance on many issues).

Back to Reanney: a responsible *Christian* mode of dialogue in this situation surely involves *listening* to the other's perceptions, and in the interaction perhaps hearing oneself say "I like.... and.... but here is my essential question: '......?' "

Food for more thought...

Shalom! Rowland Croucher

BTW arten you are on 2nd page of google;):D

[tjohn]

Because there exists an electromagnetic "net" surrounding the Earth that shuts down our higher consciousness.

I wish I was joking. It's one of the reasons a Moon landing isn't possible.If you are talking about the Van Alen belt, Astronauts are underneath it and closer to it.

[tjohn]

Reanney writes:

"Is this then the meaning of life? To struggle, to bleed in silence, to grow through suffering? Is comfort the necessary adversary of growth? . . . My answer has to be yes."The universe exists through the coming together of information and the meaning of life is to communicate.

How can anyone disagree with that?

But when the guy upstairs 'communicates' his 'music' it prevents me from thinking. So there's a real meaning of life, that of being considerate of others.

[detroit313]

Because up there, God gets up in their asses. He lives in space you know.

[1977]

If you are talking about the Van Alen belt, Astronauts are underneath it and closer to it.
That is true. My only hypothesis would be that the "Veil" is multidimensional in nature.

(Yes, I am crazy.)

[tjohn]

That is true. My only hypothesis would be that the "Veil" is multidimensional in nature.Heard something like that, don't know if it is true.

[tjohn]

Why Do Astronauts Experience God?
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[quote=Rebecca Sato]Now, one of the things that happened, in the 1940s, was the mathematician, physicist, Norbert Wiener (MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology) for the first time really defined information as the negative of entropy, and entropy as the idea of the universe is running down and wastes energy. But, Wiener defined information as the negative of entropy, and that's wonderful but it didn't go far enough.”

Mitchell says that in an attempt to fill in some of the missing gap, the 2008 revised edition of his book The Way of the Explorer explores the largely ignored science of human consciousness. Using what he calls the “dyadic model” he outlines the “two faces” of energy. “Instead of being two separate things, it's the energy as the basis of our existence in matter. And, it’s the basis of our knowing and information,”.."we do have great mystery about what is the origin of the universe.... " I think that Mitchell together with others may have answered their own question. :)

The exact details of all that information though, has got to be impossible for our tiny minds to figure out.

[arten]

BTW arten you are on 2nd page of google

I might be but have never seen it, thanks for the post I find Reanney is much in tune with Sheldrake and Lipton and his books make really interesting reading.

[synergy777]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG9HqyMvCVo&feature=related


adambell13

Frances Crick : founder of DNA believes this is how it happened. he likened the forming of life forms in the primordial soup that was earth 3 billion years ago to a 747 being formed in a junk yard by a hurricane. There are massive flaws in both evolution and Creationism. I think they should both acknowledge each other than oppose each other.

[tjohn]

It's an awesome, life-changing feeling. :)I know you are a Christian but if you went into space and saw the stars and the earth below, you would have a more wonderful perspective than you have at present. In the context of viewing the earth from space gone are the ideas of 'race', nationalism and religion and all the other stupid ideas which cause conflict and separate people from each other.

I once had a lucid dream of being in space and it spiritually changed my life with a new perspective. I realised more clearly what I already knew in my heart - that we are all made of stardust from the same source of life and that many of the ideas we have had put into our heads keep people in conflict with each other.

Sweet dreams, :)

John

[armoured_amazon]

I know you are a Christian but if you went into space and saw the stars and the earth below, you would have a more wonderful perspective than you have at present. In the context of viewing the earth from space gone are the ideas of 'race', nationalism and religion and all the other stupid ideas which cause conflict and separate people from each other.

I once had a lucid dream of being in space and it spiritually changed my life with a new perspective. I realised more clearly what I already knew in my heart - that we are all made of stardust from the same source of life and that many of the ideas we have had put into our heads keep people in conflict with each other.

Sweet dreams, :)

John

Who'd to say I haven't had a lucid dream of being in space? Or AP-ed there without it being a dream?

Does that activity only belong to non-Christians? You always seem to know better than me about my life experiences, don't you? It gets old and it's BOOOOOO-RING. :rolleyes:

[tjohn]

Who'd to say I haven't had a lucid dream of being in space? Or AP-ed there without it being a dream?

Does that activity only belong to non-Christians? You always seem to know better than me about my life experiences, don't you? It gets old and it's BOOOOOO-RING. :rolleyes:Defensive, narrow-minded and dismissive. Sorry that you find my contributions so boring.

Perhaps to avoid offending you I should have said nothing but instead I wrote for everyone not just for you.

[tjohn]

Who'd to say I haven't had a lucid dream of being in space? Or AP-ed there without it being a dream?

Does that activity only belong to non-Christians? You always seem to know better than me about my life experiences, don't you? It gets old and it's BOOOOOO-RING. :rolleyes:Listen, if I were a Christian you would not find it boring if I said,

"I know you are a Christian but if you went into space and saw the stars and the earth below, you would have a more wonderful perspective than you have at present!

In the context of viewing the earth from space gone are the ideas of 'race', nationalism and religion and all the other stupid ideas which cause conflict and separate people from each other!

I once had a lucid dream of being in space and it spiritually changed my life with a new perspective. I realised more clearly what I already knew in my heart - that we are all made of stardust from the same source of life and that many of the ideas we have had put into our heads keep people in conflict with each other.

Sweet dreams, :)

John"

[lightgiver]

The universe exists through the coming together of information and the meaning of life is to communicate.

How can anyone disagree with that?

But when the guy upstairs 'communicates' his 'music' it prevents me from thinking. So there's a real meaning of life, that of being considerate of others.

Don,t think,FEEL ;):)

"Don't think; feel. It's like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all the heavenly glory."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d5o8d1kitM

[hewrote]

it must be a cosmic orgasm to see the earth from space.

[tjohn]

Don,t think,FEEL ;):)

"Don't think; feel. It's like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all the heavenly glory."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d5o8d1kitMFeel is a form of communication too, at least with ourselves and if we are sensitive enough with others as well. However, we often have distorted feelings because of the way we have been taught to feel about ourselves and others.

[lightgiver]

Feel is a form of communication too, at least with ourselves and if we are sensitive enough with others as well. However, we often have distorted feelings because of the way we have been taught to feel about ourselves and others.

Where does thought originate;)


'Like God's front porch' Astronaut recounts the spiritual experience of seeing Earth from the moon :)

The past two decades have seen a number of US and Russian astronauts confess to seeing UFOs and even ETs while in space or on the surface of the moon. While this kind of information should be making headline news, as it holds serious implications for our safety as a species on a planet called Earth, it has been relegated to the "fine print" of global news. Again we need to ask, why?

Gordon Cooper was one of USA’s first astronauts. One of the original seven Mercury astronauts, Cooper orbited the Earth for a record 34 hours, which took him on 22 orbits in the spacecraft Faith 7, in May 1963.

In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and repeatedly claimed that the US government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity. In 1985 Gordon Cooper delivered a message to the UN in New York, during a discussion on UFOs and ETs. The speech was based on his own personal experience of UFO sightings in space and the additional testimony of other Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts. The panel was chaired by then UN Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim. Cooper died on the 4th October 2004 at age 77.

ASTRONAUTS NEIL ARMSTRONG and BUZZ ALDRIN speaking from the Moon:

"Those are giant things. No, no, no … this is not an optical illusion. No one is going to believe this!"

MISSION CONTROL (HOUSTON): "What…what…what? What the hell is happening? What’s wrong with you?"

ASTRONAUTS: "They’re here under the surface."

MISSION CONTROL: "What’s there? Emission interrupted… interference control calling Apollo II."

ASTRONAUTS: "We saw some visitors. They were there for awhile, observing the instruments."

MISSION CONTROL: "Repeat your last information."

ASTRONAUTS: "I say that there were other spaceships. They’re lined up on the other side of the crater."

MISSION CONTROL: "Repeat…repeat!"

ASTRONAUTS: "Let us sound this orbita ….. In 625 to 5… automatic relay connected… My hands are shaking so badly I can’t do anything. Film it? God, if these damned cameras have picked up anything… what then?"

MISSION CONTROL: "Have you picked up anything?"

ASTRONAUTS: "I didn’t have any film at hand. Three shots of the saucers or whatever they were that were ruining the film."

MISSION CONTROL: "Control, control here. Are you on your way? Is the uproar with the UFOs over?

ASTRONAUTS: "They’ve landed there. There they are and they are watching us."

MISSION CONTROL: "The mirrors, the mirrors…have you set them up?"

ASTRONAUTS: "Yes, they’re in the right place. But whoever made those space ships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out."

[tjohn]

Where does thought originate;)Ah! It comes from the information of the Mind that brought the universe together.
'Like God's front porch' Astronaut recounts the spiritual experience of seeing Earth from the moon :)The past two decades have seen a number of US and Russian astronauts confess to seeing UFOs and even ETs while in space or on the surface of the moon. While this kind of information should be making headline news, as it holds serious implications for our safety as a species on a planet called Earth, it has been relegated to the "fine print" of global news. Again we need to ask, why?

Gordon Cooper was one of USA’s first astronauts. One of the original seven Mercury astronauts, Cooper orbited the Earth for a record 34 hours, which took him on 22 orbits in the spacecraft Faith 7, in May 1963.

In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and repeatedly claimed that the US government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity. In 1985 Gordon Cooper delivered a message to the UN in New York, during a discussion on UFOs and ETs. The speech was based on his own personal experience of UFO sightings in space and the additional testimony of other Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts. The panel was chaired by then UN Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim. Cooper died on the 4th October 2004 at age 77.

ASTRONAUTS NEIL ARMSTRONG and BUZZ ALDRIN speaking from the Moon:

"Those are giant things. No, no, no … this is not an optical illusion. No one is going to believe this!"

MISSION CONTROL (HOUSTON): "What…what…what? What the hell is happening? What’s wrong with you?"

ASTRONAUTS: "They’re here under the surface."

MISSION CONTROL: "What’s there? Emission interrupted… interference control calling Apollo II."

ASTRONAUTS: "We saw some visitors. They were there for awhile, observing the instruments."

MISSION CONTROL: "Repeat your last information."

ASTRONAUTS: "I say that there were other spaceships. They’re lined up on the other side of the crater."

MISSION CONTROL: "Repeat…repeat!"

ASTRONAUTS: "Let us sound this orbita ….. In 625 to 5… automatic relay connected… My hands are shaking so badly I can’t do anything. Film it? God, if these damned cameras have picked up anything… what then?"

MISSION CONTROL: "Have you picked up anything?"

ASTRONAUTS: "I didn’t have any film at hand. Three shots of the saucers or whatever they were that were ruining the film."

MISSION CONTROL: "Control, control here. Are you on your way? Is the uproar with the UFOs over?

ASTRONAUTS: "They’ve landed there. There they are and they are watching us."

MISSION CONTROL: "The mirrors, the mirrors…have you set them up?"

ASTRONAUTS: "Yes, they’re in the right place. But whoever made those space ships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out."Frankly I don't believe that the hidden text above is true even though I have seen a UFO myself. Now it's not hidden on your post! What's going on here?

[felakuti]

The story of these asronauts sounds remarkably close to that reported by Near Death Experiencers.

Here's an interesting Near Death Account:

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

[1977]

Heard something like that, don't know if it is true.
Yeah, I don't know; I mean, it's a completely wild theory, but from so many sources we've heard that Earth has been "quarantined" in a very real way. The Egyptians seemed to have personified it as Neith, or Net (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neith):

I am All That Has Been, That Is, and That Will Be.
No mortal has yet been able to lift the veil that covers Me.

[armoured_amazon]

Defensive, narrow-minded and dismissive. Sorry that you find my contributions so boring.

Perhaps to avoid offending you I should have said nothing but instead I wrote for everyone not just for you.

Perhaps for a change - JUST ONCE - you should play the mature card and stop addressing my Christian beliefs, because JUST MAYBE, I don't care to learn a single thing from you.

[tjohn]

Perhaps for a change - JUST ONCE - you should play the mature card and stop addressing my Christian beliefs, because JUST MAYBE, I don't care to learn a single thing from you.Apart from this time on this thread, I have not answered your posts for months and it's much more than just once that I have played what you call the "mature card".... it's you who is on the defensive not I and I wonder why. If you cannot give clear answers based on reason what are we to think?

Looking carefully at what I said and in context, it shouldn't have caused much offence and in regard to Christianity and religion it's well known that I don't have the same views as you. Then am I not entitled to share my views? This forum isn't just for you to learn or not, it's for other people too.

[theqleaner]

it must be a cosmic orgasm to see the earth from space.

Google Earth (http://earth.google.com/)

[tjohn]

Google Earth (http://earth.google.com/)Not as good as being there but better than nothing. :)

[theqleaner]

Not as good as being there but better than nothing. :)

Is that a fact, or an opinion ?

[tjohn]

Is that a fact, or an opinion ?It's got to be a fact.

[theqleaner]

It's got to be a fact.

Why ?

[lightgiver]

Ah! It comes from the information of the Mind that brought the universe together.
Frankly I don't believe that the hidden text above is true even though I have seen a UFO myself. Now it's not hidden on your post! What's going on here?

We are not alone:)

BUT i do like to keep an open mind to all possibilities,

http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/87.html

So much Information and Disinformation around these days,beats listening to the MSM Propaganda which is deffo more or less BS.

[coco]

It's got to be a fact.

It is. I can't explain the feelings I had when I experienced it. I know I didn't see in the same way as the astronauts, from the moon's surface, but rather a vantage from....well, I guess I would call it 'the edge'. I stood on the edge and saw the earth, three dimensionally. I explained this to a friend and said he did not know I was a gnostic. I said I did not know what that meant. He said he was and thought such an experience would indicate that I was.

The unique view of the Earth was but only a part of the experience I had, as a child, not drunk or on drugs, and yes, in a dream/sleep state. I still question the entire experience all these decades later.

I can tell you this: Why me? There is an afterlife. The answer to all questions ever posed, posed now, and to be posed is very simple. I deeply regret that the answer(s) slipped away as I was returned to 'here'. I fought to retain it but I felt it slip into the back of my brain and I believe it is still there. I'm sorry, I wish I was capable of sharing. I would have done so many years ago.

And no, I'm not BS'ing, that's why I don't talk about it much. Because of harsh criticism I will not respond to rude comments but I will maintain my view of this thread.

I really can't say I blame rude comments. What have I to prove anything? Nothing. I know what I know but cannot provide evidence. I apologize to understandably shrewed skeptics.

[hewrote]

Google Earth (http://earth.google.com/)


nah, I'm not looking for flat screen orgasms. I just imagine that to BE there, viewing the earth from space would compel one to be "lost" in the "other"....similar to a great eruption!!!

[humito]

i think its because when in zero gravity the brain does not have to use its lower circuits anymore.........those used for coping with getting around safetly in gravity .........when in zero gravity the brain can then open up its higher functions and becomes aware of cosmic conciousness and the divinity in everything,no photo of the earth from space could capture the beauty seen and felt by astronauts as it being perceived in the nervous system.

[lightgiver]

It is. I can't explain the feelings I had when I experienced it. I know I didn't see in the same way as the astronauts, from the moon's surface, but rather a vantage from....well, I guess I would call it 'the edge'. I stood on the edge and saw the earth, three dimensionally. I explained this to a friend and said he did not know I was a gnostic. I said I did not know what that meant. He said he was and thought such an experience would indicate that I was.

The unique view of the Earth was but only a part of the experience I had, as a child, not drunk or on drugs, and yes, in a dream/sleep state. I still question the entire experience all these decades later.

I can tell you this: Why me? There is an afterlife. The answer to all questions ever posed, posed now, and to be posed is very simple. I deeply regret that the answer(s) slipped away as I was returned to 'here'. I fought to retain it but I felt it slip into the back of my brain and I believe it is still there. I'm sorry, I wish I was capable of sharing. I would have done so many years ago.

And no, I'm not BS'ing, that's why I don't talk about it much. Because of harsh criticism I will not respond to rude comments but I will maintain my view of this thread.

I really can't say I blame rude comments. What have I to prove anything? Nothing. I know what I know but cannot provide evidence. I apologize to understandably shrewed skeptics.

I have very vivid dreams,;)

One I remember quite clearly was the sun fell out of the sky :eek:;)

but yes looking back when a little younger dreams can be significant:)

Subtle: when we are dreaming, we have a very flexible body and ideas in our mind that we normally do not experience, similar to the subtle body and mind.

http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma7/dreams.html

and on that note ,good night.

[infinite tea]

We are experiencing God all the time, God IS all of IT :-)

[hewrote]

We are experiencing God all the time, God IS all of IT :-)


I guess it depends on what you consider "god" to be. is IT this too?

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1337401

[theqleaner]

nah, I'm not looking for flat screen orgasms. I just imagine that to BE there, viewing the earth from space would compel one to be "lost" in the "other"....similar to a great eruption!!!

IMAX Space Station 3D (http://www.imax.com/spacestation/)

[hewrote]

IMAX Space Station 3D (http://www.imax.com/spacestation/)


what's next? SCENT-O-VISION!!!

try as you might, I'll have you know that I'm just not that kinda' guy!!! :)

[infinite tea]

I guess it depends on what you consider "god" to be. is IT this too?

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1337401

God is the stuff from which everything is made, God is everything even this....and this....and that....oh and that too, not that though (oh sorry my mistake that too. there nothing that it isn't - even nothing is what it is, maybe moreso than anything else in terms of purity).

You are, and so am I and that makes me you and you a cactus and me too. It's all one.

concious + subconcious = everything we just access different slices of the whole which makes us feel seperate and different.

[coco]

Good night, Lightgiver.

[hewrote]

good!! Nobody is going to hell either!!

[breezinreezin]

It's an awesome, life-changing feeling. :)

Right. When did Miss Piggy do her moon walk then:confused:

[rr_x]

Why Do Astronauts Experience God?


Which god? Especially as most of those launches are Masonic rituals conducted by Freemasons.....

[thetonic]

Which god? Especially as most of those launches are Masonic rituals conducted by Freemasons.....

ceremonial launching of weapons into space to help tighten their dominion of earth

[infinite tea]

good!! Nobody is going to hell either!!

God is hell as well - god is everything.

[tjohn]

Which god? Especially as most of those launches are Masonic rituals conducted by Freemasons.....ceremonial launching of weapons into space to help tighten their dominion of earthThink you guys have missed the point