View Full Version : help please, advice needed!
omnit
23-02-2009, 09:48 PM
Ive been reading this thread for a while now, really liking it to, especially Robs stuff its very amusing!
I'd love to go freeman lol, but with a partner and kids who are very much IN the system, its proving dificult!
So I decided to change my personal things, I quit work (now retired at 32 lol) I dont watch TV and I am educating myself in things that I think matter.
Because I have a family, we claim benefits and I can live of that quite easily!
What I want to know is, is there anyway of making a living while being out of the system? does that make sense lol?
I need to feed and cloth myself and my family, how is this possible without playing the game lol?
please help me out, let me know one way or another, thanks! :D
hunter77
23-02-2009, 10:07 PM
Ive been reading this thread for a while now, really liking it to, especially Robs stuff its very amusing!
I'd love to go freeman lol, but with a partner and kids who are very much IN the system, its proving dificult!
So I decided to change my personal things, I quit work (now retired at 32 lol) I dont watch TV and I am educating myself in things that I think matter.
Because I have a family, we claim benefits and I can live of that quite easily!
What I want to know is, is there anyway of making a living while being out of the system? does that make sense lol?
I need to feed and cloth myself and my family, how is this possible without playing the game lol?
please help me out, let me know one way or another, thanks! :D
i think spongeing off the working folk rather defeats the object of being a freeman on the land. if your claiming money off the goverment your still part of the system. you could work a job cash in hand only doing something you enjoy and you probably should do this and not claim any money.
omnit
23-02-2009, 10:20 PM
i think spongeing off the working folk rather defeats the object of being a freeman of the land. if your claiming money off the goverment your still part of the system. you could work a job cash in hand only doing something you enjoy and you probably should do this and not claim any money.
I think that sounds like someone whos more in the system than me lol! I dont give a monkeys about 'spongeing off the working folk' lol, I really cant believe I just read that in this section :eek:
I do not agree with nor want to take part in the current system, but I'm not going to put my family at risk! As soon as I can work out how to support us all without the system, I'll do it!
Cash in hand is very harf to come by, but I do have a few little things on the simmer, I hate money, but without it you starve at this moment!
thanks for the reply, but I'm in shock at what you said lol!
hunter77
23-02-2009, 10:30 PM
I think that sounds like someone whos more in the system than me lol! I dont give a monkeys about 'spongeing off the working folk' lol, I really cant believe I just read that in this section :eek:
I do not agree with nor want to take part in the current system, but I'm not going to put my family at risk! As soon as I can work out how to support us all without the system, I'll do it!
Cash in hand is very harf to come by, but I do have a few little things on the simmer, I hate money, but without it you starve at this moment!
thanks for the reply, but I'm in shock at what you said lol!
if your in the system your not a freeman on the land, i pay tax yes but i also earn cash in hand . i think your missing the point .iam not the one thats totally dependant on the state you are.! the goverment at the moment is reliant on my money not me on theirs until i can finance myself out of the system i will keep it that way.
do you own your own house or do the state pay for that?
yozhik
23-02-2009, 11:34 PM
if your in the system your not a freeman on the land, i pay tax yes but i also earn cash in hand . i think your missing the point .iam not the one thats totally dependant on the state you are.! the goverment at the moment is reliant on my money not me on theirs until i can finance myself out of the system i will keep it that way.
do you own your own house or do the state pay for that?
Probably worth mentioning that taxes from your salary do not pay anything other than the interest on the debt, the government has racked up in your name, to the banking cartel.
Benefits, etc are paid from sales tax, V.A.T, tax on smokes, beer, etc ...
So for anyone to think their "hard earned wages" are paying for anything other than the usury to the powers that be; think again.
Roads? The tax in your diesel and petrol.
We need to look long and hard where the money goes and where it comes from :)
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hunter77
23-02-2009, 11:43 PM
Probably worth mentioning that taxes from your salary do not pay anything other than the interest on the debt, the government has racked up in your name, to the banking cartel.
Benefits, etc are paid from sales tax, V.A.T, tax on smokes, beer, etc ...
So for anyone to think their "hard earned wages" are paying for anything other than the usury to the powers that be; think again.
Roads? The tax in your diesel and petrol.
We need to look long and hard where the money goes and where it comes from :)
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point taken, but is this any excuse to sit on your arse and sponge? is it an excuse to put more pressure people who work hard to provide for there family.
i own my own house, i own my own business i do as much cash work as possible and will get out of the system when i can afford it. i wont put more burden on other people wether it be through vat higher fuel prices or anthing else:)
miked
24-02-2009, 01:42 AM
point taken, but is this any excuse to sit on your arse and sponge? is it an excuse to put more pressure people who work hard to provide for there family.
i own my own house, i own my own business i do as much cash work as possible and will get out of the system when i can afford it. i wont put more burden on other people wether it be through vat higher fuel prices or anthing else:)
My god, it just doesn't stop!
The more you look into this stuff the more you see the lies everywhere!
Refering to someone as a sponge - soaking up water! Admiralty Law! Everthing is related to ships and the sea!
You say you own your own bla bla bla, does this mean you have ownership, sorry I mean OWN A SHIP!! lol
I don't own my kids because I registered them to somebody else. I am, however, their guarian which means I have guardianship.
Guard Ian Ship! Look up the word ian in a good dictionary!
I too have 'owned' my own business for the past 5 years but have given it up because I believe I now fully understand the nature of money system and because of this understanding I can no longer participate in this monsterous fraud on the world.
Only a man can exsist without money. A fiction can only exsist with money.
Respect
Muikke
Ive been reading this thread for a while now, really liking it to, especially Robs stuff its very amusing!
I'd love to go freeman lol, but with a partner and kids who are very much IN the system, its proving dificult!
So I decided to change my personal things, I quit work (now retired at 32 lol) I dont watch TV and I am educating myself in things that I think matter.
Because I have a family, we claim benefits and I can live of that quite easily!What I want to know is, is there anyway of making a living while being out of the system? does that make sense lol?
I need to feed and cloth myself and my family, how is this possible without playing the game lol?
please help me out, let me know one way or another, thanks! :D
You cant be a freeman if you claim benifits. Your still a huge part of the system your trying to leave behind. You will still need to retain your national insurance number etc, so they can pay you.
sorry if this is an inconvinient truth, but it is a truth never the less.
wakeupworld
24-02-2009, 02:26 PM
Interesting JoJo, excuse my ignorance but isn`t having a national insurance number keeping the individual in the system?
I would have thought freeman would not a an NI number, but again excuse my ignorance as I`m fairly new to learning about freemanery.
Interesting JoJo, excuse my ignorance but isn`t having a national insurance number keeping the individual in the system?
I would have thought freeman would not a an NI number, but again excuse my ignorance as I`m fairly new to learning about freemanery.
exactly. in order for a person to claim benifits he/she needs an NI number. so therefor if one wants to be a freeman proper, they need to relinquish their NI, which means they cannot claim any benifit.
the origional poster said he wants to be a freeman but still claim benifits you see.
wakeupworld
24-02-2009, 04:16 PM
Thanks jojo, so there isn`t a problem earning a living without a NI number? Examples doing paid work or self-employment?
lakkimakki
24-02-2009, 04:26 PM
lolz even if you re freeman , you are still part of a system:p
Thanks jojo, so there isn`t a problem earning a living without a NI number? Examples doing paid work or self-employment?
you can still work once you have declared yourself a freeman and taken the neccesary afferdavids etc. you just dont pay taxes :)
has anyone on this forum done this yet? if so, how was your empolyers attitude towards the none payment of tax and stamp?
yozhik
24-02-2009, 04:37 PM
I think its important to recognise that even if you are a Freeman, there are some services you are entitled to, as a Right, simply due to the fact that you have contributed as a member of the community.
If you purchase anything, it will have taxes included.
An easy example of this are the two targets of any government at budget time; booze and cigarettes. :)
If you buy these, then you pay taxes. This is irrefutable.
It does not depend on you having a N.I.N.
These taxes go towards services such as health care and education.
If you contribute, then it is reasonable for you to claim them.
If you buy petrol or diesel; you help fund the roads and you therefore have the right of travel on the roads you contribute to.
IMHO, its not just a case of saying; "you are a Freeman, therefore you have a right to nothing."
What about the contributions to National Insurance already made?
This subject is a little more complicated and complex than being stated in this thread.
It is not so black and white as some make it out to be.
More discussion needed ...
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wakeupworld
24-02-2009, 04:55 PM
Thanks Yozhik, that was very useful.
I appreciate all those points, my motive to be a freeman would certainly not be to have a free ride. More that from birth individuals have been duped by the system.
I recognise that there is always an element of being part of the system, but as a freeman you are free of the con tricks, believing you need to pay income tax, have a driving license etc etc.
Take the f out of life and your left with the word lie, and that basically is what our lives as a population according to governments have been.
We`ve been lied to.
the worm that turned
24-02-2009, 06:53 PM
Thanks Yozhik, that was very useful.
I appreciate all those points, my motive to be a freeman would certainly not be to have a free ride. More that from birth individuals have been duped by the system.
I recognise that there is always an element of being part of the system, but as a freeman you are free of the con tricks, believing you need to pay income tax, have a driving license etc etc.
Take the f out of life and your left with the word lie, and that basically is what our lives as a population according to governments have been.
We`ve been lied to.
Not so much lied to because until recently I don't think we have been asking the right questions. The info has always been there but thanks to the Internet we can now discuss it instantaneously and have a huge resource of information.
Cheers for the Internet NWO, great invention!!! ;)
omnit
24-02-2009, 10:53 PM
You cant be a freeman if you claim benifits. Your still a huge part of the system your trying to leave behind. You will still need to retain your national insurance number etc, so they can pay you.
sorry if this is an inconvinient truth, but it is a truth never the less.
Thanks for the reply friend, I know that I'm part of the system because of this, what I was asking is if anyone knows of any way to make a living out of the system!
So that I can go 'freeman' lol!
The replies I got werent really helping though, as you probably gathered lol!
:)
lakkimakki
25-02-2009, 01:08 AM
Thanks for the reply friend, I know that I'm part of the system because of this, what I was asking is if anyone knows of any way to make a living out of the system!
So that I can go 'freeman' lol!
The replies I got werent really helping though, as you probably gathered lol!
:)
you can leave at the boundary between light and shadow for centuries, until the Spirit of Flying Dog comes for you , to bring you to some distant land.:D