View Full Version : Affidavits - The way forward??
the worm that turned
23-02-2009, 12:42 PM
Not very clued up here with affidavits so excuse me if I am way off the mark but bear with me a bit on this:
If a human being decided NOT to register the birth of their child but instead decided to get a sworn affidavit to declare that he and his wife were the parents of the child, with the midwife(s) as witnesses, would this hold any weight with regards to proving that they are the genuine parents of the baby? A DNA test result could also be attached to the affidavit but not sure it is necessary.
Thinking this could be a better way to PROVE things, especially with regards to travelling into and out of the UK without a passport, joining a school, etc etc.
Result of this is that NO LEGAL FICTION is created for the child. Any contracts will be between a human being and the other person (company etc).
Thoughts?
yozhik
23-02-2009, 01:41 PM
Not very clued up here with affidavits so excuse me if I am way off the mark but bear with me a bit on this:
If a human being decided NOT to register the birth of their child but instead decided to get a sworn affidavit to declare that he and his wife were the parents of the child, with the midwife(s) as witnesses, would this hold any weight with regards to proving that they are the genuine parents of the baby? A DNA test result could also be attached to the affidavit but not sure it is necessary.
Thinking this could be a better way to PROVE things, especially with regards to travelling into and out of the UK without a passport, joining a school, etc etc.
Result of this is that NO LEGAL FICTION is created for the child. Any contracts will be between a human being and the other person (company etc).
Thoughts?
I remember reading/viewing something from Rob Menard, re: going back to the way it was done, "in the good ol' days" ... write the event in the family bible :)
If you look at any family bible, there are pages for the recording of the birth of your baby, with places for the mother and father to also be recorded. This was, and still is, the proof you refer to.
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the worm that turned
23-02-2009, 02:09 PM
I remember reading/viewing something from Rob Menard, re: going back to the way it was done, "in the good ol' days" ... write the event in the family bible :)
If you look at any family bible, there are pages for the recording of the birth of your baby, with places for the mother and father to also be recorded. This was, and still is, the proof you refer to.
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Family Bible?? Is this the equivalent of a baby book, or is it something "official" that is provided by the NHS (government).
Thanks
yozhik
23-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Family Bible?? Is this the equivalent of a baby book, or is it something "official" that is provided by the NHS (government).
Thanks
Ummm ... it's a bible ... the family edition :) (believe it or not)
A bible with blank leaves for the recording of family events.
A quick Google search came up with these "handy hints" on the subject :D
How To Choose a Family Bible (http://www.ehow.com/how_12959_choose-family-bible.html)
Some examples with images (http://www.ancestorhunt.com/family_bible_records.htm)
Rob explains that this is how men and women recorded family events; the system is still valid for Common Law purposes and is regarded as proof. Bibles, such as this, were also carried as a passport, when it was free to travel without hindrance by fraudsters acting under colour of law.
Interesting concept, yes?
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the worm that turned
23-02-2009, 03:35 PM
Ummm ... it's a bible ... the family edition :) (believe it or not)
A bible with blank leaves for the recording of family events.
A quick Google search came up with these "handy hints" on the subject :D
How To Choose a Family Bible (http://www.ehow.com/how_12959_choose-family-bible.html)
Some examples with images (http://www.ancestorhunt.com/family_bible_records.htm)
Rob explains that this is how men and women recorded family events; the system is still valid for Common Law purposes and is regarded as proof. Bibles, such as this, were also carried as a passport, when it was free to travel without hindrance by fraudsters acting under colour of law.
Interesting concept, yes?
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OK, I'm with ya :D Looking back that was a dumb question by me. I think I will finally be a promoter of the bible now :D
Thanks
pleasuredome
23-02-2009, 05:35 PM
OK, I'm with ya :D Looking back that was a dumb question by me. I think I will finally be a promoter of the bible now :D
Thanks
yep, we're turning into bible bashers now :D
magickman
23-02-2009, 06:19 PM
In the U.S., an entry in the family Bible is proof enough for a birth. I know this because my Dad was born at home, and he used the family bible for ID when he got his driver's license.
quicks
24-02-2009, 12:12 AM
Can any one purchase a family bible and fill in the family information, say starting a fresh bible with the current husband and wife (or parents if not married), then listing the children (even already existing children) to be hand down from the present to future generations?
Or doe's it have to had been past down through the family already with past family members / history already included?
Would the family members have to been christened etc ?
Do witnesses need to sign the bible to confirm the entries ?
yozhik
24-02-2009, 01:40 AM
Can any one purchase a family bible and fill in the family information, say starting a fresh bible with the current husband and wife (or parents if not married), then listing the children (even already existing children) to be hand down from the present to future generations?
As far as I know and have seen - YES.
My assumption: your family bible begins, when it begins. It matters not who begins it. :)
Or doe's it have to had been past down through the family already with past family members / history already included?
As far as I know and have seen - NO.
My assumption: see above
Would the family members have to been christened etc ?
As far as I know and have seen - NO.
My assumption: evidence of birth in a family bible is a separate event from a christening. Whilst one may lead to another, and the christening may be recorded in the family bible, the two are unrelated.
Do witnesses need to sign the bible to confirm the entries ?
As far as I know and have seen - NO.
My assumption. If it is written in the bible, you have a witness; far greater than any man, woman or child.
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the worm that turned
24-02-2009, 11:50 AM
As far as I know and have seen - YES.
My assumption: your family bible begins, when it begins. It matters not who begins it. :)
As far as I know and have seen - NO.
My assumption: see above
As far as I know and have seen - NO.
My assumption: evidence of birth in a family bible is a separate event from a christening. Whilst one may lead to another, and the christening may be recorded in the family bible, the two are unrelated.
As far as I know and have seen - NO.
My assumption. If it is written in the bible, you have a witness; far greater than any man, woman or child.
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I am going to buy my first bible this week. Sorry it has taken me so long God.
spoonogsback
28-02-2009, 11:55 AM
I may be wrong but if I remember correctly ..........the one Known as Irene-maus:Gravenhorst used a bible as a means to travel to Ireland and europe in the last few years................I think she mentioned it in one of her vids.......I recalled it due to the fact that I am on the land Known as Ireland........peace guys
the worm that turned
08-03-2009, 09:00 AM
Following on from this theme...
How about you buy a new car and before you (or the previous keeper) sends any information to the DVLA you make a sworn affidavit to confirm that you have bought a car (give make, model, details and VIN number but NOT registration number) and also confirm that you DO NOT give permission to any authority, organisation, corporate body, company etc to lay claim to the car and that it remains 100% the property of you.
When you send the DVLA registration document send it alongside a certified copy of your affidavit, plus a covering letter stating that you are willing to register your car with the DVLA but only taking into consideration the signed affidavit.
This could also be done with birth certificates, i.e. you register your child but insist that (in-line with a sworn affidavit previously made before registration) you do not give permission for a legal fiction, PERSON etc to be created.
Just an idea that uses the current system but potentially to OUR advantage.
Comments??
the worm that turned
09-03-2009, 12:25 PM
Following on from this theme...
How about you buy a new car and before you (or the previous keeper) sends any information to the DVLA you make a sworn affidavit to confirm that you have bought a car (give make, model, details and VIN number but NOT registration number) and also confirm that you DO NOT give permission to any authority, organisation, corporate body, company etc to lay claim to the car and that it remains 100% the property of you.
When you send the DVLA registration document send it alongside a certified copy of your affidavit, plus a covering letter stating that you are willing to register your car with the DVLA but only taking into consideration the signed affidavit.
This could also be done with birth certificates, i.e. you register your child but insist that (in-line with a sworn affidavit previously made before registration) you do not give permission for a legal fiction, PERSON etc to be created.
Just an idea that uses the current system but potentially to OUR advantage.
Comments??
No comments at all on this suggestion - is it that bad! :o