Gang Stalking - proof is whats needed

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How Many genuine Ti's have joined forums only to find they feel more confused than before they joined. How many people have joined forums only for other members to jump on them straight away saying things like exposure is the only to stop gang stalking. yet for all there members and all there exposure nothing as been achieved only false hope and fraustration. Many forums concentrate on electronice torture saying things like it must be banned but the truth is unless you actually catch them doint it how can you prove its happening, even if you had burns on your body becasue of EH try going to the doctors and tell him the perps did it and see what he's reaction is, you would be locked up so quick your feet wouldnt touch the ground. So the forum members will try to get you to give all your private information like when the attacks started who do you think is doing it and why. some even ask you to describe your symptoms in detail because after all exposure will stop it ..wont it! The truth is only things that are proveable will be reconized by the police and any other information will be used against you especcally if it sounds crazy. The members of the forum will give you links to stalking websites and supply links to other conspiracies as well so any one that views the forum will think its just abunch of nutters that should be locked up. They give you these links for two reasons 1. is to make you paranoid - the more you know about gang stalking the more you will become paranoid esspeccally if one of those things that the web sites happen to mention happens to you. 2> because once you get in to one conspiracie it will lead you in to others im not saying some of these aint true but you get what im saying. So now for example you believe in Gang stalking you also believe in mind control and Eh weapons and you maybe believe a conspiracie or two. so you go back to the forum you write about what you have read exposing yourself as someone that in the eyes of the world is crazy and its all on the forum as proof. remember there aim is to make you in to a Paranoid schitsaphrenic or at make you seem like one and fill you with fear so always be polite never accuse unless your 150% sure someones guilty and you can prove it And act as though you dont care about them, its only your perception of the world thats gonna get you locked up or in a mental hospital especcally if you decide to write about it.

[armoured_amazon]

You should join this thread. :)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7470

eta: nm, you already have lol

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I know the person who wrote that and don't wish to associated with her thank you any way for your concern.

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Ill do another one

[i_mght_be_hypnotized]

How Many genuine Ti's have joined forums only to find they feel more confused than before they joined. How many people have joined forums only for other members to jump on them straight away saying things like exposure is the only to stop gang stalking. yet for all there members and all there exposure nothing as been achieved only false hope and fraustration. Many forums concentrate on electronice torture saying things like it must be banned but the truth is unless you actually catch them doint it how can you prove its happening, even if you had burns on your body becasue of EH try going to the doctors and tell him the perps did it and see what he's reaction is, you would be locked up so quick your feet wouldnt touch the ground. So the forum members will try to get you to give all your private information like when the attacks started who do you think is doing it and why. some even ask you to describe your symptoms in detail because after all exposure will stop it ..wont it! The truth is only things that are proveable will be reconized by the police and any other information will be used against you especcally if it sounds crazy. The members of the forum will give you links to stalking websites and supply links to other conspiracies as well so any one that views the forum will think its just abunch of nutters that should be locked up. They give you these links for two reasons 1. is to make you paranoid - the more you know about gang stalking the more you will become paranoid esspeccally if one of those things that the web sites happen to mention happens to you. 2> because once you get in to one conspiracie it will lead you in to others im not saying some of these aint true but you get what im saying. So now for example you believe in Gang stalking you also believe in mind control and Eh weapons and you maybe believe a conspiracie or two. so you go back to the forum you write about what you have read exposing yourself as someone that in the eyes of the world is crazy and its all on the forum as proof. remember there aim is to make you in to a Paranoid schitsaphrenic or at make you seem like one and fill you with fear so always be polite never accuse unless your 150% sure someones guilty and you can prove it And act as though you dont care about them, its only your perception of the world thats gonna get you locked up or in a mental hospital especcally if you decide to write about it.

:eek: I think it worked. I'm 263% sure Bush is guilty. I can prove it to my own satisfaction. Now what?

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How Many genuine Ti's have joined forums only to find they feel more confused than before they joined. How many people have joined forums only for other members to jump on them straight away saying things like exposure is the only to stop gang stalking. yet for all there members and all there exposure nothing as been achieved only false hope and fraustration. Many forums concentrate on electronice torture saying things like it must be banned but the truth is unless you actually catch them doint it how can you prove its happening, even if you had burns on your body becasue of EH try going to the doctors and tell him the perps did it and see what he's reaction is, you would be locked up so quick your feet wouldnt touch the ground. So the forum members will try to get you to give all your private information like when the attacks started who do you think is doing it and why. some even ask you to describe your symptoms in detail because after all exposure will stop it ..wont it! The truth is only things that are proveable will be reconized by the police and any other information will be used against you especcally if it sounds crazy. The members of the forum will give you links to stalking websites and supply links to other conspiracies as well so any one that views the forum will think its just abunch of nutters that should be locked up. They give you these links for two reasons 1. is to make you paranoid - the more you know about gang stalking the more you will become paranoid esspeccally if one of those things that the web sites happen to mention happens to you. 2> because once you get in to one conspiracie it will lead you in to others im not saying some of these aint true but you get what im saying. So now for example you believe in Gang stalking you also believe in mind control and Eh weapons and you maybe believe a conspiracie or two. so you go back to the forum you write about what you have read exposing yourself as someone that in the eyes of the world is crazy and its all on the forum as proof. remember there aim is to make you in to a Paranoid schitsaphrenic or at make you seem like one and fill you with fear so always be polite never accuse unless your 150% sure someones guilty and you can prove it And act as though you dont care about them, its only your perception of the world thats gonna get you locked up or in a mental hospital especcally if you decide to write about it.


The question is how can this be changed? So that real activism can be accomplished without the revictimization of targets, and without wasting time?

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gang stalkingvictims should record stalkers and post them on youtube.
the ones on youtube are pretty cheap . but some look legit.

my .02 ameros

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To Be honest i don't know if it can be changed. Gang stalking is done to mimic mental illness and its very hard for someone to say who is a genuine victim and who is really suffering from mental illness. Not many people will refuse to play along with there games knowing that failure to do so may mean some type of punishment or possibly being gang stalked themselves. The only way to beat it is to ignore it and sort out each problem without accusing people of conspiracies or having malicious intentions against you. remember the person who is doing this to you is probably suffering extreme frustration and anger at you not responding so by not responding you are beating them and probably causing them grief. Have you ever tried to wind some one up only to have them not respond or agree with everything you say it becomes very frustrating and only makes you more angry. This is my way of coping with this situation and i am in no way saying its the perfect answer but by not responding your not going to end up in a mental institution which i believe may be there ultimate goal. This way requires great strength and discipline but the alternatives are to bad to for me to think about

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I think there was case brought against the American CIA but whne it went to court the CIA
said it was a secuirty matter and no details were released. ill try and find the link and post it on the forum

[deca]

I think Gangstalking TI`s are there own worst enemy and don`t take in account of various things ....after a while anything that's negative or irritates,harass them is some how deliberate and organized to personal persecute them, that does not mean they don`t experience this or effected by it its just there explanation does not add up.
I do believe they do get harassed and intimidated.


sorry If this replay a bit of a jumble sort of post to another TI ,I am working on linking this together.

I think TI`s need to break the "got gangstalked" ----" why me"----"who doing it" cycle

I think TI`s should stick to understanding how there Minds work and the Technology not get distracted by people/things in there environment they belief & who they perceive are harming them




This is my point new TI`s need the information , the terms to look up ,support
and help unfortunately when they are in trauma,shock and in a Hyper Vigilance
state, were do they go? Gangstalking sites which I believe don`t help to
explain, are misleading hardly mention the technology and basically say yes you
are being fallowed and their are all this groups after you and agents and
snitches, heres what they do huge list of ambiguous behavior with some kind of
covert meaning attached and then says your family loved ones,kids will snitch on
you...good luck.

Are you surprise they all learn to spot all this and end up believing half to
town in on it ?

Yes TI`s need to talk but they don`t have always have to agree and "reinforce" a
belief into a another TI.

We need to relate to other TI`s but not through what we saw our believed preps
do or by saying everything negative in our live is due to Prep action.



first hyper vigilance

what is it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervigilance

Hypervigilance
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Hypervigilance is an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors whose purpose is to detect threats. Hypervigilance is also accompanied by a state of increased anxiety which can cause exhaustion. Other symptoms include: abnormally increased arousal, a high responsiveness to stimuli and a constant scanning of the environment for threats.[1] Hypervigilance is a symptom of posttraumatic stress disorder.[2]

[edit] Symptoms

People suffering from hypervigilance may become preoccupied with studying their environment for possible threats, causing them to lose connections with family and friends. They will often have a difficult time getting to sleep or staying asleep.


Now you said that hypervigilance is caused by harassment and that harassment was by OS but is this not a expanding vicious circle ?

The more sensitivity you are to your environment the more you notice , the more it harasses you? Also don`t other TI`s tell you what to be aware of? what preps they spot? don`t Gangstalking sites train you to spot preps and decode there signals and tactics ?

whats an everyday occurrence when you are feeling hypervigilanent? or some deliberate action to make you hypervigilanent begin?


Can the tech not make you hypervigilanent in the first place by its self?


Also why would they make you hypervigilanent?


It is definitely not useful to be in a hypervigilanent state for any type of mind control as far I am aware.

think about it what does an hypnotist say

"watch my eyes you are getting sleepy"

I Have heard that some believe its to apply NLP ...what are they trying to HyperNLP you? how could they focus the NLP with all the other stimuli you are taken in and processing ?


brainwashing & mind control techniques
http://www.phinnweb.org/neuro/brainwash/


1) HYPNOSIS - Inducing a high state of suggestibility, often thinly disguised as relaxation or meditation.

a. Repetitive Music (most likely with a beat close to the human heart 45 to 72 beats per minute). Most likely used during "study sessions" as the teacher will say the music helps you relax and concentrate better!

b. Voice Roll -- A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.

c. Room "Feel" - The way a room feels is essential to hypnotizing unknowing subjects. It needs special lighting, florescent lights are best because they aren't too dim, but aren't too harsh. Also, Room Temp helps a bit, usually a little cooler than normal room temperature. You need to have the unknowing subjects very relaxed, perhaps even close to falling asleep.

2) PEER GROUP PRESSURE - Suppressing doubt and resistance to new ideas by exploiting the need to belong.

3) "LOVE BOMBING" - Creating a sense of family through physical touch, thought & feeling sharing and emotional bonding.

4) REJECTION OF OLD VALUES - Accelerating acceptance of new lifestyle by constantly denouncing former beliefs and values.

5) CONFUSING DOCTRINE - Encouraging blind acceptance and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible doctrine.

6) METACOMMUNICATION - Implanting subliminal messages by stressing certain key words or phrases in long, confusing lectures.

7) REMOVAL OF PRIVACY - Achieving loss of ability to evaluate logically by preventing private contemplation.

8) DISINHIBITION - Encouraging child-like obedience by orchestrating child-like behaviour

9) UNCOMPROMISING RULES - Inducing regression and disorientation by soliciting agreement to seemingly simple rules which regulate mealtimes, bathroom breaks and use of medications.

10) VERBAL ABUSE - Desensitizing through bombardment with foul and abusive language. (Physical abuse, such as torture, is the more extreme form of this.)

11) SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND FATIGUE - Creating disorientation and vulnerability by prolonging mental an physical activity and withholding adequate rest and sleep.

12) DRESS CODES - Removing individuality by demanding conformity to the group dress code.

13) CHANTING OR SINGING - Eliminating non-cult ideas through group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases.

14) CONFESSION - Encouraging the destruction of individual ego through confession of personal weaknesses and innermost feelings of doubt.

15) FINANCIAL COMMITMENT - Achieving increased dependence on the group by 'burning bridges' to the past, through the donation of assets.

16) FINGER POINTING - Creating a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world.

17) ISOLATION - Inducing loss of reality by physical separation from family, friends, society and rational references.

18) CONTROLLED APPROVAL - Maintaining vulnerability and confusion by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions.

19) CHANGE OF DIET - Creating disorientation and increased susceptibility to emotional arousal by depriving the nervous system of necessary nutrients through the use of special diets and/or fasting. Also applying drugs for these purposes fall in this category.

20) GAMES - Inducing dependence on the group by introducing games with obscure rules.

21) NO QUESTIONS - Accomplishing automatic acceptance of beliefs by discouraging questions.

22) GUILT - Reinforcing the need for 'salvation' by exaggerating the sins of the former lifestyles.

23) FEAR - Maintaining loyalty and obedience to the group by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest 'negative' thought, word or deed.
Hypervigilance is an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors whose purpose is to detect threats.
People suffering from hypervigilance may become preoccupied with studying their environment for possible threats, causing them to lose connections with family and friends. They will often have a difficult time getting to sleep or staying asleep.

Post traumatic stress disorder[1][2] (abbreviated PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to one or more traumatic events that threatened or caused great physical harm.

We are certainly going through a traumatic event.

Gangstalking sites use the term (DEW) direct energy weapons to describe the technology (neurological weapons, radio-frequency weapons)

what is a DEW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon


A directed-energy weapon (DEW) is a type of weapon that emits energy in an aimed direction without the means of a projectile. It transfers energy to a target for a desired effect. Some of these weapons are real or in development; others are at present only science fiction.

The energy can come in various forms:

* Electromagnetic radiation (typically lasers or masers).
* Particles with mass (particle beam weapons).
* Sound (sonic weaponry)

In science fiction, these weapons are sometimes known as death rays or rayguns and are usually portrayed as projecting energy at a person or object to kill or destroy.



You could say microwave hearing is a DEW but its not the microwaves & tiny amount of energy that cause the thermal expansion that effects us but the audio it can be produced inside our heads and the psychological direction used against us, so its not the raw energy .

Also if you look at what Dr persinger does and what Dr. Nick Begich says

Dr. Persinger's work, "Growing evidence from laboratory research suggests that the application of weak, complex, low-frequency magnetic fields to the human brain can induce sympathetic shifts neural activity and have consequences for cognition and awareness...The net effect of this interaction can be a magnetically induced altered-state of awareness often resulting in complex hallucinations."

also I think Dr.Nick Begich said that 1/50th of the strength of the earths natural magnetic field could entrain the human mind

So DEW is correct but it can be misleading its not raw energy to ZAP but more complex and at similar strength to what our own brains produce , This also explains why they are difficult to detect.[/quote]


Also They don`t mention victim mentality
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Baker4.html
What is victim mentality?
A victim mentality is one where you blame everyone else for what happens in your world. (Another definition not as commonly used is one that says a person thinks the future only holds bad things for them.) If you do not get the promotion it is because Mr. Johnson was out to get you. Not because he found you playing on the Internet every day. Your best friend called and said she could not have dinner with you. She is always doing that to you; not showing. You'll show her. You won't invite her when you go out again! Instead of remembering she has just started school and you did call her at the last minute. Victim mentality.

Recently I spoke with someone who no longer lives with a victim mentality. She has gone on with her life and is free from some of the extra baggage that come with being a victim. We discussed forgiving our abusers and how in that process you also need to forgive yourself. With that came loosing the victim mentality.

When she was living under the victim mentality she found herself angrier. She found herself swirling in a sea of resentment towards her abuser. She stayed locked in that cycle and never seemed to move forward. If she got sick, she became angry at him. If the kids messed up, she became angry at him. He was no longer in the picture, but it was all his fault. It was not hers; he made things this way... Life is easier when you can play the blame game. The blame game makes it easy for your life not to move forward or for you to grow.


Also how do other people view and treat TI`s?
prejudice,preconceived ideas , predictive programing we are up against
Tin foil hat
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A person wearing a tin foil hat.

A tin foil hat is a piece of headgear made from one or more sheets of aluminium foil or similar material. Alternatively it may be a conventional hat lined with foil. Some people wear the hats in the belief that they act to shield the brain from such influences as electromagnetic fields, or against mind control and/or mind reading.

The concept of wearing a tin foil hat for protection from such threats has become a popular stereotype and term of derision; the phrase serves as a byword for paranoia and is associated with conspiracy theorists.

The reasons for their use include the supposed prevention of perceived harassment from governments, spies or paranormal beings. These draw on the stereotypical images of mind control operating by ESP or technological means, like microwave radiation. The effectiveness of tin foil hats is disputable, however the belief in their necessity is popularly associated with paranoia or mental illness.[1]
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* 1 Scientific basis
* 2 References in popular culture
* 3 See also
* 4 References
* 5 External links

[edit] Scientific basis

The notion that a tin foil hat can significantly reduce the intensity of incident radio frequency radiation on the wearer's brain has some scientific validity, as the effect of strong radio waves has been documented for quite some time. [2] A well constructed tin foil enclosure would approximate a Faraday cage, reducing the amount of (typically harmless) radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation inside. A common high school physics demonstration involves placing an AM radio on tin foil, and then covering the radio with a metal bucket. This leads to a noticeable reduction in signal strength. The efficiency of such an enclosure in blocking such radiation depends on the thickness of the tin foil, as dictated by the skin depth, the distance the radiation can propagate in a particular non-ideal conductor. For half-millimeter-thick tin foil, radiation above about 20 kHz (i.e., including both AM and FM bands) would be partially blocked, although it should be noted that tin foil is not sold in this thickness, and numerous layers of tin foil would be required to sustain this effect.[3]

The effectiveness of the tin foil hat as electromagnetic shielding for stopping radio waves is greatly reduced by the fact that it is not a complete enclosure. Placing an AM radio under a metal bucket without a conductive layer underneath demonstrates the relative ineffectiveness of such a setup. Indeed, because the effect of an ungrounded Faraday cage is to partially reflect the incident radiation, a radio wave that is incident on the inner surface of the hat (i.e., coming from underneath the hat-wearer) would be reflected and partially 'focused' towards the user's brain. While tin foil hats may have originated in some understanding of the Faraday cage effect, the use of such a hat to attenuate radio waves belongs properly to the realm of pseudoscience.

A study by graduate students at MIT determined that a tin foil hat could either amplify or attenuate incoming radiation depending on frequency; the effect was observed to be roughly independent of the relative placement of the wearer and radiation source.[4] At GHz wavelengths, the skin depth is less than the thickness of even the thinnest foil.[citation needed]

Tin foil hats are seen by some as a protective measure against the effects of electromagnetic radiation (EMR). Despite some allegations that EMR exposure has negative health consequences,[5] at this time, no link has been verifiably proven between the radio-frequency EMR that tin foil hats are meant to protect against and subsequent ill health.[6]

[edit] References in popular culture

Tin foil hats were worn in the movie Signs to protect from alien mind-reading tactics, and coincidentally were alluded to in another Mel Gibson movie, Conspiracy Theory.

Tin foil hats are frequently used in popular culture to indicate paranoia, especially as induced by mental illness.[1]

EastEnders character Joe Wicks was briefly portrayed constructing and wearing his own tin foil hat as part of a storyline which saw him suffering from schizophrenia.

In an episode of the Discovery Channel television show Mythbusters dealing with microwave oven myths, Adam Savage constructed a tin foil hat to wear while working in the shop, as Jamie Hyneman had taken apart a microwave in an attempt to design a "microwave gun." That hat was not intended to provide serious protection for Adam, and was a tongue-in-cheek reference to their use. However, Adam was seriously concerned for the safety of the show's cast and crew while working with an uncovered microwave.

In April 2007, MMORPG World of Warcraft announced a new in-game item on its website named the 'Tinfoil Hat'. The hat came complete with tongue-in-cheek statistics such as hiding the player's profile from The Armory (an online character database), and allowing the player to see 'the truth'. The item was later revealed to be an April Fool's Day joke.

FactCheck suggested that those who espouse Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories "should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat."[7]



Dam this is shocking

EastEnders character Joe Wicks was briefly portrayed constructing and wearing his own tin foil hat as part of a storyline which saw him suffering
from schizophrenia.



Also how the "system" is geared to work against us anyway basically to treat us like "mental ill" and disregard our claims as delusions and waste of time and paper work


also a TI is going through a bit of a culture shock, loss of status etc...
remember the movie Trading places
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_Places
For the experiment, they choose Louis Winthorpe III (Dan Aykroyd), Harvard educated, snobby, silver spoon manager of the firm’s Philadelphia office, and street hustler Billy Ray Valentine (Eddie Murphy). To destroy Winthorpe’s reputation, Duke operative Clarence Beeks (Paul Gleason), publicly frames him as a thief. Winthorpe is promptly arrested and fired from his job, and he soon learns that his bank accounts have been frozen and he has been locked out of his home (as it is technically property of the Dukes). When his snobby fiancé Penelope comes to post bail for him, a prostitute named Ophelia (Jamie Lee Curtis) kisses him and asks him to give her drugs, promising to do anything he wants her to do in return. Upset, Penelope calls off the engagement on the spot. Louis soon finds himself ostracized by Penelope and all of his friends and colleagues, who refuse to help him.




Winthorpe, finally hitting rock bottom after people look at him disdainfully on a bus, move seats when he sits down, is urinated on by a dog and it starts to rain, attempts suicide twice, first with a pistol (which jams, but fires when he drops it) and then with an overdose of sleeping pills. He is taken back to his own house and nursed back to health, and Valentine, Ophelia, and Coleman tell him about the Dukes’ full scheme. The enraged Winthorpe initially wants to cripple the Dukes physically by shooting them in the kneecaps with a double-barrel shotgun, but Valentine suggests that breaking them financially would be the best revenge for both of them.

unfortunately we attract (magnets) for anti socially behavior and crime ...not because its organize its society picks on the "weak" and "weird" not that we are but non TI`s perceive we are.

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To Be honest i don't know if it can be changed. Gang stalking is done to mimic mental illness and its very hard for someone to say who is a genuine victim and who is really suffering from mental illness. Not many people will refuse to play along with there games knowing that failure to do so may mean some type of punishment or possibly being gang stalked themselves. The only way to beat it is to ignore it and sort out each problem without accusing people of conspiracies or having malicious intentions against you. remember the person who is doing this to you is probably suffering extreme frustration and anger at you not responding so by not responding you are beating them and probably causing them grief. Have you ever tried to wind some one up only to have them not respond or agree with everything you say it becomes very frustrating and only makes you more angry. This is my way of coping with this situation and i am in no way saying its the perfect answer but by not responding your not going to end up in a mental institution which i believe may be there ultimate goal. This way requires great strength and discipline but the alternatives are to bad to for me to think about. If someone as alternative ideas i will be pleased to listen.

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You say in your post new TI's need information Why? If you are ignorant to the fact that you are being gang stalked the less you read up on it and the less you will be paranoid which seems to be the aim of the perps. The only thing you need to know is act like a normal person and resist the temptation to accuse those around you of conspiracies. The more you read the more you realize what they are capable of. its the same with conspiracies the more you believe the less likely you will be believed by the general public that's not to say there not true. If accusing people of conspiring against you is going to lead to people believing your unstable whats the point?. They almost certainly have alternative reasons for everything they do the more creditability you lose the less you will be believed if ever you are set up...will that ever happen or i am i just being paranoid. in past years i have accused people of setting me up ..not once as any body ever admitted it and there as always been alternative reasons for there actions put forward.

[deca]

The way I see it is the people behind the tech need TI`s to believe and talk about being Gangstalk by local people for several reasons

A) it deflects attention away for the technology towards the seemingly visible oblivious preps

B) The Ti is more likely to believe its a local source and accuse local people

C) The TI is more likely to try and convince/point out to friend,family and partners these seemingly oblivious preps(remember you are probably on a different mental and emotional state than they are)

D) most Gangstalk and prep action is ambiguous /petty and down to perceptual interpretations

C) psychiatry is based on observation , they say its you being paranoid and delusional (persecution delusion) because Gangstalk and prep action is ambiguous /petty and down to perceptual interpretations
You can be easy sectioned and locked up, they don`t have do any test or check anything out merely look out the window.


I hope gangstalk TI`s would take steps to secure, protect themselves and there property

Ignore the ambiguous /petty stuff

Document/video other

Take counter measure steps i.e use a mp3 player while out/ take something to occupied your mind if you have to wait or travel anywhere i.e book/crossword portable game device etc.......

Try curb your urges to spot preps ,prep action......ignore it/or laugh to yourself how much money they are wasting for not have an desired effect on you.


Tring to prove gangstalking is going to alienate you from society, make your friends,family love ones question your mental health/piss them off also make it easy for a psychiatrist to label you.

This is true for if you believe its psychically done....or technology trick or for reasons I have post early in this thread, Its how you react the important thing and deal with it.

As well as destroying your trust and make you suspicious/paranoid fearful, frustrated ,angry they want to isolate you and adversely publicly reacted so the police or mental health/social workers can be called and legal cart you away.

[deca]

also Fear is the mind killer and effects your rational thought.
Being gangstalked must put you in a state of perpetual fear and this is not good for you rational thought or critical Analyzing.

Also be aware of fear mongering from other gangstalked TI`s who`s ability to think rationally or critical Analysis is severally effected.

try to overcome your fears with out endangering your safety or freedoms, That does not mean you Face up and accuse your gangstalkers but rather you ignore them and live your life and don`t let them limit it.
Maybe you will find they are not "gangstalkers" but your "fear" makes you believe they are, I have found this out may time, especally at work were the fear and technology wanted me to believe my work mates were out to get me, I overcome this and enjoy there company now ok.

[bealert]

also Fear is the mind killer and effects your rational thought.
Being gangstalked must put you in a state of perpetual fear and this is not good for you rational thought or critical Analyzing.

Also be aware of fear mongering from other gangstalked TI`s who`s ability to think rationally or critical Analysis is severally effected.

try to overcome your fears with out endangering your safety or freedoms, That does not mean you Face up and accuse your gangstalkers but rather you ignore them and live your life and don`t let them limit it.
Maybe you will find they are not "gangstalkers" but your "fear" makes you believe they are, I have found this out may time, especally at work were the fear and technology wanted me to believe my work mates were out to get me, I overcome this and enjoy there company now ok.
your thoughts whilst being true in some parts seem to imply a victim's imagination are a major part of the gang stalking phenomenon. seems to me that's more of a perps way of thinking. are you trying to say its all in the imagination and therefore a mental condition...where have i heard that before?. I doubt your really being gangs stalked and in your case i would put it down to a mental condition. of course fear is a big part of what they do or want to achieve ....yet you say you can trust your work mates .....sorry i don't trust anyone who says they are gang stalked yet trust there work mates. that's not how gang stalking works. One of the common features i have noticed in the past is the lengths gang stalkers will go to cause paranoia in fact the further they go the less the victim will be believed by third parties that it is happening to them if he choses to speak about it. Many forums i have visited are so obviously infected with perps that distribute false or misleading information its quite sickening. you can see through the lies of someone that pretends to be gang stalked because there lies stand out like a like a cancer amongst healthy tissue. Many people do have different symptoms but the basics are still there..isolation and paranoia none of which can be achieved by having good and trust worthy work mates

[deca]

your thoughts whilst being true in some parts seem to imply a victim's imagination are a major part of the gang stalking phenomenon. seems to me that's more of a perps way of thinking. are you trying to say its all in the imagination and therefore a mental condition...where have i heard that before?. I doubt your really being gangs stalked and in your case i would put it down to a mental condition. of course fear is a big part of what they do or want to achieve ....yet you say you can trust your work mates .....sorry i don't trust anyone who says they are gang stalked yet trust there work mates. that's not how gang stalking works. One of the common features i have noticed in the past is the lengths gang stalkers will go to cause paranoia in fact the further they go the less the victim will be believed by third parties that it is happening to them if he choses to speak about it. Many forums i have visited are so obviously infected with perps that distribute false or misleading information its quite sickening. you can see through the lies of someone that pretends to be gang stalked because there lies stand out like a like a cancer amongst healthy tissue. Many people do have different symptoms but the basics are still there..isolation and paranoia none of which can be achieved by having good and trust worthy work mates

where does do i say its in your "imagination"? This is what I come across when talking to gangstalked TI`s they don`t understand how their mind works or the effects of technology its "mind control" that should give you a hint that its something to with your mind and how that works!!!!

Basic`s EMF can cause you to feel watched etc...

http://wcgaps.com/articles/emf-electromagnetic-fields/
Further, it is worth noting that high level EMF can contribute to feelings of being watched, headaches, nausea, and even hallucinations in people who are hypersensative to EMF fields.

This is what happens you feel you are being watched and uneasy you go to the window ect and theres somebody passing your house or a neighbor in the garden or window? you have you answer he/she is watching me.....must be a prep

But this is what they do with they RADAR based tech they know someboy on the move and zap you with EMF .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
Classical conditioning (also Pavlovian or respondent conditioning) is a form of associative learning that was first demonstrated by Ivan Pavlov.[1] The typical procedure for inducing classical conditioning involves presentations of a neutral stimulus along with a stimulus of some significance. The neutral stimulus could be any event that does not result in an overt behavioral response from the organism under investigation. Pavlov referred to this as a conditioned stimulus (CS). Conversely, presentation of the significant stimulus necessarily evokes an innate, often reflexive, response. Pavlov called these the unconditioned stimulus (US) and unconditioned response (UR), respectively. If the CS and the US are repeatedly paired, eventually the two stimuli become associated and the organism begins to produce a behavioral response to the CS. Pavlov called this the conditioned response (CR).

Popular forms of classical conditioning that are used to study neural structures and functions that underlie learning and memory include fear conditioning, eyeblink conditioning, and the foot contraction conditioning of Hermissenda crassicornis.

once they have done this a few times , you are convinced thiers people on the ground spying on you.

Next they/yourself go into a Hypervigilance state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervigilance
Hypervigilance is an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors whose purpose is to detect threats. Hypervigilance is also accompanied by a state of increased anxiety which can cause exhaustion. Other symptoms include: abnormally increased arousal, a high responsiveness to stimuli and a constant scanning of the environment for threats.[1] Hypervigilance is a symptom of posttraumatic stress disorder.[2]

[edit] Symptoms

People suffering from hypervigilance may become preoccupied with studying their environment for possible threats, causing them to lose connections with family and friends. They will often have a difficult time getting to sleep or staying asleep.[3]

Around the same time you go to "gangstalking" sites and talk to other TI`s
"oh yes thier every were I go "
cause thier every where you go, not because there is a network of people or a bus but because its your mind get effected and conditioned

So you are seeing these people but your perception and belief is being altered


I do believe that they do psychically harass and intimidate us but its small scale , weird phones calls,messing with the internet, peeping horns and driving off etc......,might in some extreme cases break in
But most has to due to how society views us,system geared to be against us etc....
The technology is like 21st century version of sticking a carrot on our nose and calling us a witch , we soon have a angry mob booing and hissing at us and willing to burn us.....

[bealert]

so the fact i have had my mail delivered to the wrong address this week and the fact that they are on holiday and i cant retrieve it is my imagination also i have had my gas turned off by mistake when it should have been turned off on the 8th august again is this my imagination,and references to my estate agent for my new flat haven't arrived yet despite being sent on the 12th July ist class. i suppose this is all due to my vivid imagination. sorry deca i just don't believe all this can happen in one week. As i said before each problem must be dealt with in a positive manner without making accusations of conspiracies but coincidences do not happen continuously to the same person week in week out. I saw a woman last week taking of her shoes as she was walking down the street.. she just left them in the middle of the path and walked on without them ..two day later the same thing happened again in the same road at exactly the same place but a different woman. Ok i will except coincidences happen but when it happens every day with strange events such as this its hard not to be paranoid. you must switch off as much as possible and ignore it but some times you cant. the brain recognizes patterns we cant help it ..its not done intentionally we do it in our subconscious and its these patterns that are played upon to make us paranoid.
At the end of the day perception must not be relied upon and common sense must take over and a rational attitude must be applied to avoid being called crazy. The whole point of gang stalking is make you paranoid this is why they go to great lengths to insure you are paranoid because without this gang stalking would not work..its forced paranoia meaning you have no choice in the matter... the only part you have to play is how to handle it.

[deca]

the post think pissed me off too but there again its easy to fall in a victim mentality state of mind over it.

If you look at the mail in the uk its went down hill for every one, not just TI`s but if you are get fucked in others ways its another frustration and easy to think its a dilibert action

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/royal-mail-complaints-rise-300-per-cent-as-targets-are-missed-535257.html
Royal Mail complaints rise 300 per cent as targets are missed

By Ben Russell Political Correspondent

Friday, 15 October 2004


Complaints about lost, damaged and late post have rocketed by more than 300 per cent in two years and are likely to reach 40,000 by the end of the financial year, according to new figures from the independent postal service watchdog.

Complaints about lost, damaged and late post have rocketed by more than 300 per cent in two years and are likely to reach 40,000 by the end of the financial year, according to new figures from the independent postal service watchdog.

Postwatch, the organisation set up to monitor Royal Mail, handled 28,000 complaints last year, up from just 6,300 in 2002, and says complaints this year are already on course to reach 40,000 by April.

Of the 28,000 complaints handled by the watchdog last year, only 88 were about companies other than Royal Mail.

to a non TI its a annoyance and a pain in the arse to a TI its another form of persecution in a hostile surreal world.

again you are using "Imagination" to describe hallucinations, altered perception and effects of neurological weapons, radio-frequency weapons

This is probably you being told by the people you have tried to convice with your perception of whats happening and they don`t perceive the way you do, this they tell you its in your head or down to your Imagination.

I not saying these things don`t happen but saying maybe why they happened are different from what you perceive and belief

[deca]

This is where you have to take a deep breath and step back when something frustrates/angers you and look at it with fresh eyes in a calm way and think is this me in a victim mentality state, is the tech influencing me to believe, is other TI`s tiring to convince me its prep action or is there a logical explanation for this .

[bealert]

this maybe true but again its all about coincidences and there's no way you can know what my circumstances are or comment about them. Conspiracies take place because of there believability the more bizarre one is the less chance it is going to be believed. this is why they get away with it ..probability factor. The fact no one believes it doesn't mean it didn't happen just that the probability factor is low. I don't have hallucinations or altered perception of what is going on around me which is the reason why i am still here and not in a mental hospital. My perception of any situation is based upon reality and how to handle it as long as i react in a rational way when confronting people with my problems i am not a threat and cannot be judged to be so. My ability to handle situations as not failed me yet of course there situation i am not in control off but most of my life as been good and i remain happy.. everyone as there down days. they can take everything from me put me on the streets do what ever they want i will still be happy because i am strong and i believe everything happens for a reason.

[bealert]

i enjoy our conversations even though we have different points of view i think basically we believe the same thing being that everything should be considered on its individual merit. the only disagreement i have with you is paranoia whilst you seem to think its avoidable i don't think it is. its how we handle it that matters.

[deca]

will if TI`s didn`t make such a big deal out of seemingly unbelievable experiences and stuck to what we could prove and what the science backs up then we could make this an issue and expose and stop this.

[bealert]

will if TI`s didn`t make such a big deal out of seemingly unbelievable experiences and stuck to what we could prove and what the science backs up then we could make this an issue and expose and stop this.
well now your showing your true colours. the problem is web sites that say exposure is the way forward not only is this dangerous i believe in most cases its luring the target in to exposing himself to the real dangers of gang stalking... which is talking about things which should be kept to yourself. if you dont talk about it no one would have any reason to suspect you have a mental condition. the only way to beat it is to ignore it and just handle each problem day by day without accusations. so you believe in exposure but since gang stalking is done to get a response from an individual ..giving a response is letting them win and giving them what they want. Many forums give the impression they are making progress not only is this not true its done to lure people in to opening up and telling the world they have symptoms of a mental condition...this cannot be a good thing ..have you ever heard of someone being a schizophrenic that as led a peaceful life with no symptoms and no adverse reaction to any situation with others. Mental illness ..no symptoms..no problem

[deca]

no I don`t think you understand were I came from I tell TI`s to protect themselfs from gangstalking and ignore it , I believe most is not OS at all but as the many reasons I have all ready posted and get involved with group action or write to people that are in a position to help and do something.

Ti`s get dicked by the system by themselves better to expose in a group way.
And know I don`t think TI`s should expose themselves on a personal level but that's my personal view. But i do think they should get there testimony out and there information circulating were it makes a differences. My testimony gets circulated as part of a group mail action to the UN,senators,MP`s etc....Where there will be a official record , but I too try and lead a normal life in the psychical world that I live .....I have no problems , no mental worries ether
Thats why I believe Gangstalking is used to publicly adversely get a TI to react and make wild accusations.

[bealert]

then we basiclly believe in the same thing.

[bealert]

no I don`t think you understand were I came from I tell TI`s to protect themselfs from gangstalking and ignore it , I believe most is not OS at all but as the many reasons I have all ready posted and get involved with group action or write to people that are in a position to help and do something.

Ti`s get dicked by the system by themselves better to expose in a group way.
And know I don`t think TI`s should expose themselves on a personal level but that's my personal view. But i do think they should get there testimony out and there information circulating were it makes a differences. My testimony gets circulated as part of a group mail action to the UN,senators,MP`s etc....Where there will be a official record , but I too try and lead a normal life in the psychical world that I live .....I have no problems , no mental worries ether
Thats why I believe Gangstalking is used to publicly adversely get a TI to react and make wild accusations.
no one is going to help because it will happen to them if they do so. as long as the government refuses to admit the technology exists no progress can be made. even if you do post your experiences within a group your testimonies come from you and no one else. the group is not responsible for individual posts and anything you write is down to you... this is the evidence that will be used against you. most groups are fake its called entrapment.

[deca]

no one is going to help because it will happen to them if they do so. as long as the government refuses to admit the technology exists no progress can be made. even if you do post your experiences within a group your testimonies come from you and no one else. the group is not responsible for individual posts and anything you write is down to you... this is the evidence that will be used against you. most groups are fake its called entrapment.

what groups are Fake? I am in a few mind control & electronic harassment groups I don`t think there fake and know the people involved ?
Too much paranoia been circulated around dude


If you talking about "gangstalking" only sites than you might have a point I have a lot of problems with the material they present

[bealert]

in my opinion many gang stalking sites are fake and only perhaps 3-10 are genuine. many of these sites pretend to be making progress this is just another form of entrapment to get you to make statements about your symptoms etc. About 6 months ago i was on a forum and a woman kept saying she had proof and was going to prosecute the cia... 6 months later shes still saying the same thing. THe only way to beat it is to ignore it but on many occasions as soon as you sign up for the forum someone will pounce on you and ask for your details but in 9/10 cases they wont do it themselves. The want to know all the gory details ..do you suffer from stalking ...do you suffer from Electronic harassment ..do they speak to you in your head ..all things that a doctor would consider to be serious mental health problems. your forum as never had a successful prosecution against these people...why? because despite there lies that exposure is a good thing not one successful prosecution as taken place. so any one that promotes exposure is either a liar or a fool.

[deca]

I believe that we need to change non TI`s preconceived ideas and belief and lack of knowledge of this , until that happens its no going to be a political issue and nothing done, to easy to right us of as nut jobs , This is why I hate TI`s talking about Gangstalking it really is a distraction and plays into a persecution delusion also any body checking out TI`s claims about OS does not need any special equipment or knowledge of the mind & body Tech.

I not sure that TI`s realize how they themselves can be brainwashed,mind fucked,subverted,have false belief or spread disinformation but They recognize this in other TI`s but through the amount of suspicion/lack of trust/paranoia rather believe its Agents etc........ Th whole lot is a pure nightmare

As for people saying that they have proof they probably do but is it court worthy ? is it just prop some false believe up? can they actually afford to take it to court , can they even find a layer to take on the case?
Remember they degrade our ability and financially position as well

So they may want to , believe they can ....but lack the resources etc..


That`s why I believe TI related "Gangstalking" is 99% tech based or false assumptions of a TI under victim mentality .....There is not enough third person accounts wittiness / whitsleblowers etc.....

[illuminumnuts]

I have been gangstalked in the past. ***IT IS REAL.*** There will be many folk with no more than paranoia of course. That's the beauty of it. They got frustrated with me because I didn't keep a regular pattern in my life. If that happens they throw their toys out of their prams and start screwing with your car and property. I think the Establishment/security services work through 'a minority' of the local police - I know good coppers - who have a hold on some local dirtbags. That might not be all of it, but it makes sense to me. Seriously deranged people!

[deca]

I not say you don`t see real things , and hear real things and they piss you of irritate you and harass you FUCKING WILL in a Hypervigilance state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervigilance

You niegbour that's never bothered you before you will suddenly hear him walking about his house likes he purposely bang the floor with ever step do you understand ? when you are in Hyper vigilance state but to somebody else stood next to you not in Hypervigilance state will hear basically hear fuck all and don`t understand why you are getting agitated by it? then you try and make wild accusations saying your niegbour doing it because hes a prep/agent etc.......see how this works for 99% of the time

especially when you look at gangstalking only sites and the reinforce this "mind virus"
"oh yes my preps do the same , they bang the floor too, I have worked it out it means blah blah blah"



I you think about its like been "spooked" by a horror movie that you watched by yourself late at night, you here every creak and noise , feel the need to double check you looked the doors, windows....might in some case check the wardrobe/ under your bed etc.......can you imagine being in the state of mind all day long or every time you leave your house.

but Ti`s ar`nt in a horror movie we realy are getting fucked over

The "gangstalking" its a distraction.....while you a preoccupied by this(and obsessed trying to prove it) your relationships,creditability goes to pot and a warm bed is being prepared for you down the nut house

[marpat]

I have been gangstalked in the past. ***IT IS REAL.*** There will be many folk with no more than paranoia of course. That's the beauty of it. They got frustrated with me because I didn't keep a regular pattern in my life. If that happens they throw their toys out of their prams and start screwing with your car and property. I think the Establishment/security services work through 'a minority' of the local police - I know good coppers - who have a hold on some local dirtbags. That might not be all of it, but it makes sense to me. Seriously deranged people!

Are you trying to tell people that they found it hard to follow you? dont you think that tracking devices could have been put into your clothes or shoes, or that your home is bugged. Do you think that something as simple as changing you routines would throw a real watcher off? if somebody was observing you they would be making notes on all of that anyway.

Can you explain why you would be gangstalked? personally I think people fantasise about such things to make themselves feel involved in some great conspiracy.

[deca]

I still trying to work out why you hang around on this forum , then I remember you post your pro government stuff , Haarp great, theirs no chemtrials and RADAR stops commies ......And which RADR units do you work on is it the military complex of the MOD can`t remember who you work for Marpat ?
please tells us?

[deca]

Marpat why not tell us something useful like how to block/shield this bollocks instead of taken the piss

or how this shite works ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect


or

CELLDAR
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oct/13/humanrights.mobilephones


* News
* UK news

How mobile phones let spies see our every move

Government's secret Celldar project will allow surveillance of anyone, at any time and anywhere there is a phone signal

* Buzz up!
* Digg it

* Jason Burke and Peter Warren
* The Observer, Sunday 13 October 2002

Secret radar technology research that will allow the biggest-ever extension of 'Big Brother'-style surveillance in the UK is being funded by the Government.

The radical new system, which has outraged civil liberties groups, uses mobile phone masts to allow security authorities to watch vehicles and individuals 'in real time' almost anywhere in Britain.

The technology 'sees' the shapes made when radio waves emitted by mobile phone masts meet an obstruction. Signals bounced back by immobile objects, such as walls or trees, are filtered out by the receiver. This allows anything moving, such as cars or people, to be tracked. Previously, radar needed massive fixed equipment to work and transmissions from mobile phone masts were thought too weak to be useful.

The system works wherever a mobile phone can pick up a signal. By using receivers attached to mobile phone masts, users of the new technology could focus in on areas hundreds of miles away and bring up a display showing any moving vehicles and people.

An individual with one type of receiver, a portable unit little bigger than a laptop computer, could even use it as a 'personal radar' covering the area around the user. Researchers are working to give the new equipment 'X-ray vision' - the capability to 'see' through walls and look into people's homes.






Or the dangers of Esmog why you never bring these up Marpart? sold your soul?

[illuminumnuts]

Are you trying to tell people that they found it hard to follow you? dont you think that tracking devices could have been put into your clothes or shoes, or that your home is bugged. Do you think that something as simple as changing you routines would throw a real watcher off? if somebody was observing you they would be making notes on all of that anyway.

Can you explain why you would be gangstalked? personally I think people fantasise about such things to make themselves feel involved in some great conspiracy.

I don't think you have clocked on to the essence of gangstalking. It's nothing to do with surveillance. It's harassment! I have a good idea why it happened. I rather not go into my story. If you have a fixed routine it is easier to be harassed. Think about it a minute and you will see that. The 'following' happened to me on a few occasions and it was deliberately obvious and solely designed to intimidate. I took counter-measures against it. I understand you doubting this sick practice, but it happens.

*Sits down to dinner with tin foil hat.*

[marpat]

Marpat why not tell us something useful like how to block/shield this bollocks instead of taken the piss

or how this shite works ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect


or

CELLDAR
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oct/13/humanrights.mobilephones







Or the dangers of Esmog why you never bring these up Marpart? sold your soul?

Just because things like that can exist it does not mean that you are the victim of them, only that you are trying to blame somebody for something happening to you rather than looking at the possibility that the problem may be within. I would think a good way of general protection would be to turn your home into a farraday cage.

[marpat]

I don't think you have clocked on to the essence of gangstalking. It's nothing to do with surveillance. It's harassment! I have a good idea why it happened. I rather not go into my story. If you have a fixed routine it is easier to be harassed. Think about it a minute and you will see that. The 'following' happened to me on a few occasions and it was deliberately obvious and solely designed to intimidate. I took counter-measures against it. I understand you doubting this sick practice, but it happens.

*Sits down to dinner with tin foil hat.*

Harrassed for what and by whom? what I doubt is that you reckon that such a simple change in routine would throw off a determined follower, especially if they are working as an organised group.

[illuminumnuts]

Harrassed for what and by whom?

I already said I rather not go into why. If by 'whom' you mean who physically carried it out the answer is local morons, we didn't actually know each other, oblivious to the bigger picture.



what I doubt is that you reckon that such a simple change in routine would throw off a determined follower, especially if they are working as an organised group.

I never called them 'determined followers' and I wouldn't credit them with much 'organisation' either. I didn't have much of a routine to change in the first place. I simply took counter-measures.

[deca]

Just because things like that can exist it does not mean that you are the victim of them, only that you are trying to blame somebody for something happening to you rather than looking at the possibility that the problem may be within. I would think a good way of general protection would be to turn your home into a farraday cage.

WTF what am I blaming? and for what???

Remember I have video of strange ELF , so don`t start with this internal crap I was 33 years when this suddenly started on me so it an`t anything to do with mentally illness or some new age bollocks

I know what it is and its a bastard to prove


Yeah I am looking at farraday cage, I have some shielding paint hopefully enough to do a small room expensive and you have to do the floor/walls/ceiling/doors etc....

[bealert]

ive seen you on a forum where you say you have never been stalked and yet you seem to know so much about it...if you haven't experienced it you cant comment on it. you are member of mcvictimseu which i believe to a infected forum obviously set up for use for entrapment by people pretending to be victims..im sorry deca i don't believe you are a victim you and your members have done nothing to help our cause and much to make genuine ti's more paranoid. you cant prove electronic harassment so don't even begin to tell me you can... its this sort of statement that makes me 100% sure your not genuine. This is about harassment in attempt to drive a victim towards breaking the law induced by continues stress. Anybody can be a victim especially if they know something about someone which could be used to prosecute or destroy someone. gang stalking is a form of character assassination so that the victims creditability as a witness becomes worthless and therefore no longer a threat to the gang stalker. Telling people to prove they get electronic harassment is like telling a ti to shout out in the middle of a doctors surgery that they hear voices...which is crazy and malicious.

[bealert]

Just because things like that can exist it does not mean that you are the victim of them, only that you are trying to blame somebody for something happening to you rather than looking at the possibility that the problem may be within. I would think a good way of general protection would be to turn your home into a farraday cage.
obviousley you dont know every bodys situation so how can you comment. making sweeping statements only shows ignorence. if ididnt know anything about a subject i would shut the f up i suggest you so the same

[exhausted]

It's call blame shifting a white volvo stopped in front of me this week when I got sick and would not let me get pass him. Anytime my husband is late getting home although his time shows up on his paycheck the car is parked across the street.

They use the telephone the most my husband work cell phone is bug they know every move he make and they make it work to their advantage if I say something about them to make them mad. They destroy your life and get pissed enough to hurt you if you bad mouth them in the house or on the phone. Most of the tech is used by phone and a GPS system on your car. I drove behind some trees and they found me. I threw the phone out the window and they still found me. The perks came out laughing because they can track every move you make and the perks think its fun.

That is the sad part, what ever they use to hurt you with they turn it around and place in back on you some kind of way. And yes the locals are afraid to get punish that is why we battle it alone.

Deca is right, you will never figure out all of the tech stuff because it is so sophisticated. Like Deca say you have to stay calm because if you piss them off you will get it, we come here and vent and they read it and set something else up, we discuss them on the phone piss them off they set something else up, they send someone to sit beside us and listen to our conversations we complain they set something else up.

I was watched the whole time I went out today because because I said something in the house someone did not like. A guy that look like a PO watched ever move I made and made faces at me to try to intimidate me and make me think someone was coming to get me I licked my tongue out at him and had a good time. I talked as loud as I could and laughed in his face. Boy that bikers suit had to be toasty in this humid weather I hope it was worth it or he might have been doing the will of God from his little ol heart. God Bless his soul.

You have to control their anger more than yours and the people they are using if I want to see wrath let me say something about the PD or the Pastors. If you want to see Judgement try it.

[deca]

ive seen you on a forum where you say you have never been stalked and yet you seem to know so much about it...if you haven't experienced it you cant comment on it. you are member of mcvictimseu which i believe to a infected forum obviously set up for use for entrapment by people pretending to be victims..im sorry deca i don't believe you are a victim you and your members have done nothing to help our cause and much to make genuine ti's more paranoid. you cant prove electronic harassment so don't even begin to tell me you can... its this sort of statement that makes me 100% sure your not genuine. This is about harassment in attempt to drive a victim towards breaking the law induced by continues stress. Anybody can be a victim especially if they know something about someone which could be used to prosecute or destroy someone. gang stalking is a form of character assassination so that the victims creditability as a witness becomes worthless and therefore no longer a threat to the gang stalker. Telling people to prove they get electronic harassment is like telling a ti to shout out in the middle of a doctors surgery that they hear voices...which is crazy and malicious.

Yes I am Deca on mcvictimseu and yes I do claim that I don`t believe that I have physically been "prep" or "gangstalked" I believe its the effects of the technology....I have believed I have been "prep" & "gangstalked" many times thou but put it down to the tech.
I have meet and talk via internet many TI`s and listen to there stories , I been a TI for many years.

Why do you think the people at mcvictimseu have been "infected" are there many TI`s with different views and opinions that contradict yours?

How do you know EH can`t be proved ? A TI has had an order

Court to Defendant: Stop Blasting That Man’s Mind!
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/07/court-to-defendant-stop-blasting-that-mans-mind/
Late last year, James Walbert went to court, to stop his former business associate from blasting him with mind-altering electromagnetic radiation. Walbert told the Sedgwick County, Kansas panel that Jeremiah Redford threatened him with “jolts of radiation” after a disagreement over a business deal. Later, Walbert, said, he began feeling electric shock sensations, hearing electronically generated tones, and getting popping and ringing sounds in his ears. On December 30th, the court decided in Walbert’s favor, and issued a first-of-its-kind order of protection, banning Redford from using “electronic means” to further harass Walbert. No, seriously.

I recently took part in a BBC Radio 4 program, which took a light-hearted look into the “the real Manchurian Candidate” — and examined whether there is any truth in stories of mind control. It gave me a chance to talk about exotic non-lethal weapon concepts like the so-called telepathic raygun, the system which beams sound directly into your skull, and the “voice of god” talking fireball. Most of these projects are just lab experiments, or examples of Powerpoint engineering. But in some legal, policy, and business circles, electromagnetic brain assaults are being taken seriously.

Walbert’s cause is supported by Jim Guest, a Republican member of the Missouri House of Representatives. He’s working on proposed legislation to addresses electronic harassment, including a bill against the forced implantation of RFID chips.
The U.N. is also now taking the possibility of electromagnetic terrorism against people seriously. And for the first time this year’s European Symposium on Non-lethal Weapons included a session on the social implications of non-lethal weapons, with specific reference to “privacy-invasive remote interrogation and behavioral influence applications.” Those who believe they are being targeted are getting a bit of official recognition.

For some, this opens up a new business opportunity. There are already quite a few companies out there offering “Technical Surveillance Counter Measures,” or sweeps to determine if you are the victim of electronic harassment. As well detecting the usual bugging devices, they can check if you are being covertly bombarded by microwaves which may be the cause of “headache, eye irritation, dizziness, nausea, skin rash, facial swelling, weakness, fatigue, pain in joints and/or muscles, buzzing/ringing in ears.”

Much of this trade may come from people with symptoms caused by something less exotic than high-tech military hardware. But companies will no doubt be willing to sell them expensive protection measures, anyway. And as awareness of these developing technology projects increases, we are likely to be hearing a lot more about “electronic harassment,” “gang stalking” and the like over the next few years.

And there is also likely to be what folklorists call “Ostension,” or acting out. Now that there are so many websites explaining how easy it is to harass people by zapping them with a modified microwave oven, sooner or later someone is bound to try it.

I never said I could prove EH , If I could I would be in the courts the little evidence ELF readings,body voltage, bone conduction I don`t think is enough for court but it does help to make it more plausible in non TI`s

[exhausted]

You just have to keep whatever proof you have you would be surprise how many people know what it is. I think is like a good pot of chilli it have to set for along time before someone will taste it. But if you don't deal with it some kind of way you will be abused over and over by the community because.

Be Alert read all of my post and yes they do pick on people with mental illnesses and are weak the most.

[deca]

As i have said before I only understand OS (organized stalking) gangstalking and prep action as some form of EH tech based tricks in perception timing this with events on the ground to fool the TI to believe that what they psychical see is the cause of there harassment i,e classic conditioning (form of mind control)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
Classical conditioning (also Pavlovian or respondent conditioning) is a form of associative learning that was first demonstrated by Ivan Pavlov.[1] The typical procedure for inducing classical conditioning involves presentations of a neutral stimulus along with a stimulus of some significance. The neutral stimulus could be any event that does not result in an overt behavioral response from the organism under investigation. Pavlov referred to this as a conditioned stimulus (CS). Conversely, presentation of the significant stimulus necessarily evokes an innate, often reflexive, response. Pavlov called these the unconditioned stimulus (US) and unconditioned response (UR), respectively. If the CS and the US are repeatedly paired, eventually the two stimuli become associated and the organism begins to produce a behavioral response to the CS. Pavlov called this the conditioned response (CR).

Popular forms of classical conditioning that are used to study neural structures and functions that underlie learning and memory include fear conditioning, eyeblink conditioning, and the foot contraction conditioning of Hermissenda crassicornis.

that's how I personal have experienced this , and explained this , but I am TI that gets a lot of Tech on them

I wrote this on mcvitimsEU

Or they have found that the tech used by itself, TI`s are more likely to
research it and there's a lot of good info getting out , and TI`s avoid going to
mental health for help but rather right and complain to MP`s and UN , Media
etc.... Were they use OS than the TI is more likely to try and convince their
family,friends,partners ,local police, take action themselves and end up in the
custaday of the law or mental health.


Also it could be a way for the tech to distance it self form TI`s and the abuse
and testing for some later admittance saying it will keep people safe and not be
abused.

obviously they can blame gangstalking on some "group" with low level modded
microwaves etc.........

And keep their clean image

exhausted I can`t understand that you don`t have any EH (electronic harassment symptoms ) or believe you have an implant or anything ?
This kind of thing I don`t understand , don`t get me wrong I understand you believe you been gangstalked etc....

[bealert]

Have you ever posted in detail your symptoms of your electronic harassment?
also i don't believe implants exist its just more false information to cause paranoia. Implants are not needed as tracking technology by satellite is so advanced and a individual can be tracked with relative ease.
The forum i mentioned had several members who wanted to obtain detailed information on TI's such as symptoms of electronic harassment without giving details about there own torture. Since Electronic harassment is virtually impossible to prove what would be the point of this. even if everybody's torture was exactly the same this would only prove that they was a good chance they were mentally ill since all symptoms of electronic harassment mimic mental illness. The fact several members were requesting details of this but unwilling to give there own accounts of EH is very suspicious. I read some posts from a year or so ago and there was one woman that said she had managed to get a BBC reporter to investigate victims claims and that victims had to give a detailed account of all symptoms etc so the reporter could investigate but when asked by a member to do the same she refused and would not reply or discuss her reasons. The genuine TI was then jumped upon by all other members of the forum and accused of being a perpetrator just because he dared to ask the woman why she would not give her own details of her own EH yet hounded others to do so. Several people including you Deca and chicken amongst others hounded the victim until he left the forum. When a gang stalker gets in trouble or as not the intelligence to win a argument he will call on others to make accusations against a person without fact or reason other than the ti was questioning a member of the forum... and the gang stalker couldn't protect themselves or was being made to look a liar. it is in this situation a genuine TI will be accused of being a perp just because he dares to question the other members of the forum about a situation that need to be answered either because something don't add up or he just needs to clarify something. mCVICTIMSEU is a members only forum but posts can read by anyone with a computer. so any gory details you may put on to that forum can be read by anyone including your worst enemy. All you are doing in when giving this information as a group or a individual is give someone more ammunition to attack you if some sad messed up person decided to so so

[marpat]

I already said I rather not go into why. If by 'whom' you mean who physically carried it out the answer is local morons, we didn't actually know each other, oblivious to the bigger picture.





I never called them 'determined followers' and I wouldn't credit them with much 'organisation' either. I didn't have much of a routine to change in the first place. I simply took counter-measures.

So they could just be local people trying to piss you off. If you wont tell people the 'why' then perhaps there is something in there that makes peopel want to do you over, ie. (without actually accusing you of course) if you had been accuased of abducting children but were cleared of any wrong doing then some locals may still feel you were guilty and may be looking at a chance of harming you or at least trying to intimidate you away from that area. If they lack determination and organisation you can completely discount them working for any government agency.

[marpat]

Have you ever posted in detail your symptoms of your electronic harassment?
also i don't believe implants exist its just more false information to cause paranoia. Implants are not needed as tracking technology by satellite is so advanced and a individual can be tracked with relative ease.
The forum i mentioned had several members who wanted to obtain detailed information on TI's such as symptoms of electronic harassment without giving details about there own torture. Since Electronic harassment is virtually impossible to prove what would be the point of this. even if everybody's torture was exactly the same this would only prove that they was a good chance they were mentally ill since all symptoms of electronic harassment mimic mental illness. The fact several members were requesting details of this but unwilling to give there own accounts of EH is very suspicious. I read some posts from a year or so ago and there was one woman that said she had managed to get a BBC reporter to investigate victims claims and that victims had to give a detailed account of all symptoms etc so the reporter could investigate but when asked by a member to do the same she refused and would not reply or discuss her reasons. The genuine TI was then jumped upon by all other members of the forum and accused of being a perpetrator just because he dared to ask the woman why she would not give her own details of her own EH yet hounded others to do so. Several people including you Deca and chicken amongst others hounded the victim until he left the forum. When a gang stalker gets in trouble or as not the intelligence to win a argument he will call on others to make accusations against a person without fact or reason other than the ti was questioning a member of the forum... and the gang stalker couldn't protect themselves or was being made to look a liar. it is in this situation a genuine TI will be accused of being a perp just because he dares to question the other members of the forum about a situation that need to be answered either because something don't add up or he just needs to clarify something. mCVICTIMSEU is a members only forum but posts can read by anyone with a computer. so any gory details you may put on to that forum can be read by anyone including your worst enemy. All you are doing in when giving this information as a group or a individual is give someone more ammunition to attack you if some sad messed up person decided to so so

How is it almost impossible to prove if you are getting UHF/VHF signals beamed into your house? the fact is that such an attack would effect many other people because energy will continue on its path. The 'victim' would not absorb it all. So when people claim they are getting microwave hearing then surely there must be people near them that also suffer it. Deca had a wife so did she also suffer from it? if not then why not?

[marpat]

obviousley you dont know every bodys situation so how can you comment. making sweeping statements only shows ignorence. if ididnt know anything about a subject i would shut the f up i suggest you so the same

Perhaps you had just better shut the fuck up instead of telling people what they can or cant say.

[bealert]

im sorry but your lack of knowledge makes your post not worth answering. your embarrassing yourself talking about something you know nothing about and trying to be intelligent about it . please go away and read up on the subject. Just type in gang stalking electronic harassment.
try this site for starters http://www.raven1.net/

[bealert]

How is it almost impossible to prove if you are getting UHF/VHF signals beamed into your house? the fact is that such an attack would effect many other people because energy will continue on its path. The 'victim' would not absorb it all. So when people claim they are getting microwave hearing then surely there must be people near them that also suffer it. Deca had a wife so did she also suffer from it? if not then why not?
http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/de-classified-us-electronic-harassment-weapons/ This site might be better for those with lack of knowledge ..good place to start.

[marpat]

im sorry but your lack of knowledge makes your post not worth answering. your embarrassing yourself talking about something you know nothing about and trying to be intelligent about it . please go away and read up on the subject. Just type in gang stalking electronic harassment.
try this site for starters http://www.raven1.net/

Should I trust everything I read on the internet?

Tell me why you would be gang stalked

[marpat]

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/de-classified-us-electronic-harassment-weapons/ This site might be better for those with lack of knowledge ..good place to start.

Like I said though people in the vicinity must suffer from such things are well. If you can pump a beam of energy through a concrete wall then it is not going to stop when it hits a person in a room. So if this is the case then people in the same rooms must be suffering the same problems. If the floor is shaking then it would be obvious to others.

Energy weapons have been demonstrated on TV so there is no doubt they exist but what I doubt are the claims of people who reckon they are the voctims of such attacks. You have to ask yourself why. If the effects would be noticeable to others then are they also claiming such things.

Even if you have a very narrow beam width there is the chance that another person in a room would walk in front of that and feel something very odd. I would be more inclined to believe peoples claims if they had others in their house who also noticed odd symptoms rather than it being just one person.

[bealert]

[QUOTE=marpat;1126571]Should I trust everything I read on the internet?

if you want to learn about it you have got to start somewhere.

[marpat]

[QUOTE=marpat;1126571]Should I trust everything I read on the internet?

you have got to start somewhere.

I asked why it is almost impossible to prove thse signals exist. Perhaps a radios receiver would be the first thing, or maybe a spectrum analyser. My answer would be that people claim they cannot detect such electronic signals because those signals are not there.

[bealert]

read up on it.

[marpat]

WTF what am I blaming? and for what???

Remember I have video of strange ELF , so don`t start with this internal crap I was 33 years when this suddenly started on me so it an`t anything to do with mentally illness or some new age bollocks

I know what it is and its a bastard to prove


Yeah I am looking at farraday cage, I have some shielding paint hopefully enough to do a small room expensive and you have to do the floor/walls/ceiling/doors etc....

ELF can be created by atmosphereic conditions as well.

How do you know it is nothing to do with mental illness? a person can become ill at any time. A persons life stress can make such things develop at any time. You seem to think that such an illness is wrong or bad when it is just the consequences of life.

[marpat]

read up on it.

So you are not going to answer my question? I am sure that with all your knowledge and experience you could give a good answer.

[bealert]

yes i could but then i could be wrong.not going to answer any more of your post if you want to learn about it use the internet as i have told you to.
i have found you fun but now i am finished with you goodbye.

[marpat]

yes i could but then i could be wrong.not going to answer any more of your post if you want to learn about it use the internet as i have told you to.
i have found you fun but now i am finished with you goodbye.

Typical, try and sound smart then claim you could be wrong, then run away.

[bealert]

read up on it

[bealert]

read up on it

[illuminumnuts]

So they could just be local people trying to piss you off. If you wont tell people the 'why' then perhaps there is something in there that makes peopel want to do you over, ie. (without actually accusing you of course) if you had been accuased of abducting children but were cleared of any wrong doing then some locals may still feel you were guilty and may be looking at a chance of harming you or at least trying to intimidate you away from that area. If they lack determination and organisation you can completely discount them working for any government agency.

Your logic is incredibly solid. You have convinced me otherwise. Thanks.

[deca]

[QUOTE=bealert;1126582]

I asked why it is almost impossible to prove thse signals exist. Perhaps a radios receiver would be the first thing, or maybe a spectrum analyser. My answer would be that people claim they cannot detect such electronic signals because those signals are not there.


You know full well that it does not take a lot of power to effect brain function
effect its not to power but how complicated they are

http://www.apaw71.dsl.pipex.com/MADS/htmlfiles/FAQ.html


Theory behind MADS

Magnetic fields, Hallucinations & the Haunt-type Experience: Part I - Background
Growing evidence from laboratory research suggests that the application of weak, complex, low-frequency magnetic fields to the human brain can induce sympathetic shifts neural activity and have consequences for cognition and awareness (see Persinger & Koren, 2001; for a recent review). The net effect of this interaction can be a magnetically induced altered-state of awareness often resulting in complex hallucinations. The likelihood of this occurring is improved if individuals show an increased degree of neural instability (i.e., brain damaged patients, Epilepsy patients, Migraine patients) that is the result of a dysfunction in inhibitory brain processing. Applied to the natural setting, what this suggests is that some spontaneous reports of apparitions and haunt-type phenomena may indeed be a naturally occurring magnetically induced delusion or hallucination. For this theory to be a viable account for spontaneous haunt-type experiences, such complex fields should be present, measurable and quantifiable, in some cases of reputed haunting. The MADS was developed to scientifically test this prediction in the natural setting.

Do developments like MADS mean that other approaches, using much cheaper devices are worthless?

This is a tricky question. It depends not just on the technology but also the assumptions underlying the use of the technology. The big problem is that many people think, that even the most simple EMF meter is some kind of ‘ghost detector’. Let us be clear, a magnetic field meter does just that; it measures magnetic fields, no more, no less. It is up to the researcher to decide the cause of these fields and the consequences of being exposed to them, based on inference and theory. A simple hand held meter is useful for assessing simple household EMFs; that’s about as simple as we can make it. However, strange experiences are associated with very complex fields at specific low frequencies. Such frequencies and complexities, quite simply, cannot be measured by simple, cheap meters. Some of the more expensive meters may be sensitive to relevant frequencies but they can’t tell you much about them, only that a change has or is occurring. This is fine for, say, a preliminary site examination, identifying areas containing unusually high levels of household EMFs. However, these may be completely irrelevant in terms of EIFs. As noted earlier, high levels may not be crucial (indeed the evidence suggests they are not) while complexity, which such meters cannot measure, is. The problem is knowing what your meter can and cannot tell you and interpreting your data appropriately. Based on estimations from the laboratory studies, MADS is capable of providing the magnetic signature of haunt-type experiences, which means it provides a far more comprehensive understanding of what is taking place. The types of magnetic fields known to produce sensations in the laboratory can be fully measured and detailed by MADS with little effort whatsoever. If you have been using simple meters then it is not the case that your results are a waste of time. However, they are very limited in their explanatory power and relevance to important stimulatory fields. Once we all realise this then it is fine. A good metaphor is the human eye. Here light enters the eye and travels to the brain where nerve impulses are converted into what we perceive as colours, shapes etc. However, the human eye can only see across a certain bandwidth or spectrum of light. We cannot see into either the infra-red or ultra-violet light spectrum, but such light energy still exists. So our eyes are tuned to a particular spectrum section that gives us a snapshot we can use and is informative to us. However, there is a good deal more to the full light spectrum than the bandwidth our eyes are tuned for.


Also Think Dr Nick Begich says they only need 1/50 th of the earths natural's magnetic field to entrain the brain

Also the pain Ray does not use at lot of output just a enough to stimulate your nerve endings

Also the targeting is probaldy done by some passive RADAR that will use whats all ready being output from EMF sources anyway .

[deca]

Like I said though people in the vicinity must suffer from such things are well. If you can pump a beam of energy through a concrete wall then it is not going to stop when it hits a person in a room. So if this is the case then people in the same rooms must be suffering the same problems. If the floor is shaking then it would be obvious to others.

Energy weapons have been demonstrated on TV so there is no doubt they exist but what I doubt are the claims of people who reckon they are the voctims of such attacks. You have to ask yourself why. If the effects would be noticeable to others then are they also claiming such things.

Even if you have a very narrow beam width there is the chance that another person in a room would walk in front of that and feel something very odd. I would be more inclined to believe peoples claims if they had others in their house who also noticed odd symptoms rather than it being just one person.

again you seem to think it has to by a powerful "beam" wrong check my previous post

Don`t believe what I say what do they admit Marpat
The report titled "Bioeffects Of Selected Nonlethal Weapons" was released under the US Freedom of Information Act

And remember I think this report was written in 1998 ok

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dc64d9q2_0fc6mf8g8&pageview=1&hgd=1&hl=en
Biological Target/Normal Functions/Disease State


This technology makes use of a phenomenon first described in the literature over 30 years ago. Different types of sounds were heard depending on the particulars of the pulse characteristics. Various experiments were performed on humans and laboratory animals

exploring the origin of this phenomenon. At this time, virtually all investigators who have studied the phenomenon now accept the thermoelastic expansion of the brain,the pressure wave of which is received and processed by the cochlear microphonic system,to be the mechanism of acoustic perception of short pulses of RF energy. One study( in 1975) using humane volunteers, identified the threshold energy of microwave-auditory responses in humans as a function of pulse width for 2450MHz radio frequency energy. It is also found that about 40 J/cm2 incident energy density per pulse was required.

Technological Status of Generator/Aiming Device


This technology requires no extrapolation of estimate its usefulness Microwave energy

can be applied at a distance,and the appropriate technology can be adapted from existing

radar units. Aiming devices likewise are available but for special circumstances which

require extreme specificity, there may be a need for additional development Extreme

directional specificity would be required to transmit a message to a single hostage

surrounded by his captors. Signals can be transmitted long distance(hundred of meters)

using current technology Longer distances and mores sophisticated signal types will

require more bulky equipment but it seems possible to transmit some type of signals at

closer ranges using man-potable equipment.

So yes they can hit and individual in a room behind concrete and no one else id effected

[deca]

so you can stick to they well known "why you" being targeted tring to get the victim to explain why they personally being abused to distract from the very long and admit history of weapons testing on unwitting human guinea pigs
You can try this Discrediting tactic .....it rather bores me


So if a women came to you in a distraught state claiming she been raped , you would take a look at her and see if she was rape able or ask her "why did you get raped" and if you did not think somebody would rape her or she had a good motive to be raped then you think she was making it up?

[deca]

ELF can be created by atmosphereic conditions as well.

How do you know it is nothing to do with mental illness? a person can become ill at any time. A persons life stress can make such things develop at any time. You seem to think that such an illness is wrong or bad when it is just the consequences of life.


Because I have been through the mental health system they have not diagnosed me with a mental illness because I don`t fit the profile or meet the criteria ok

ELF can be created by atmosphereic conditions as well.


so its natural ELF on my meter is that what you are try to fool people into believing ?

So stress of life makes you mental ill , so its not gene run in family's? or due to brain imbalance but mental illness is due to stress in the environment

[bealert]

Have you ever posted in detail your symptoms of your electronic harassment?
also i don't believe implants exist its just more false information to cause paranoia. Implants are not needed as tracking technology by satellite is so advanced and a individual can be tracked with relative ease.
The forum i mentioned had several members who wanted to obtain detailed information on TI's such as symptoms of electronic harassment without giving details about there own torture. Since Electronic harassment is virtually impossible to prove what would be the point of this. even if everybody's torture was exactly the same this would only prove that they was a good chance they were mentally ill since all symptoms of electronic harassment mimic mental illness. The fact several members were requesting details of this but unwilling to give there own accounts of EH is very suspicious. I read some posts from a year or so ago and there was one woman that said she had managed to get a BBC reporter to investigate victims claims and that victims had to give a detailed account of all symptoms etc so the reporter could investigate but when asked by a member to do the same she refused and would not reply or discuss her reasons. The genuine TI was then jumped upon by all other members of the forum and accused of being a perpetrator just because he dared to ask the woman why she would not give her own details of her own EH yet hounded others to do so. Several people including you Deca and chicken amongst others hounded the victim until he left the forum. When a gang stalker gets in trouble or as not the intelligence to win a argument he will call on others to make accusations against a person without fact or reason other than the ti was questioning a member of the forum... and the gang stalker couldn't protect themselves or was being made to look a liar. it is in this situation a genuine TI will be accused of being a perp just because he dares to question the other members of the forum about a situation that need to be answered either because something don't add up or he just needs to clarify something. mCVICTIMSEU is a members only forum but posts can read by anyone with a computer. so any gory details you may put on to that forum can be read by anyone including your worst enemy. All you are doing in when giving this information as a group or a individual is give someone more ammunition to attack you if some sad messed up person decided to do so.

[bealert]

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I asked why it is almost impossible to prove thse signals exist. Perhaps a radios receiver would be the first thing, or maybe a spectrum analyser. My answer would be that people claim they cannot detect such electronic signals because those signals are not there.

[exhausted]

There is gangstalking
There is electronic harrassment
There is gangstalking and electronic harrasment combined

You can prove the gangstalking but you can't prove the elecronic harrassment
If you have the gangstalking and the electronic harrasment they would keep it up I believe.

Bealert is right if someone had this stuff going on confess it, post it here they would come after them harder. They are chasing me like a bunch of wild horses outside of my house because I post here.

Deca I have had A-Z done to me, but like I told you before I am a Christian and I know that I know that I know who Jesus is. Am covered under the blood of Jesus. I believe the FBI use the occult for alot old dirty stuff I use to help children in occult and they were thrown up on the walls, someone blow in there little faces at night. They use the church, they use psychics, they use the devil himself ha they will work together for ani-christ anyway so this make sense.

Our cell phones have high voltage, microwaves, stoves my dryer fun so fast some times I think it is going to run out the door. They wire everything around us on high voltage. I belive the police can tell my car to run off in a lake if they wanted to like Kit and Michael. Sometimes my car take off while am driving it they put those GPS devices in the car so they can keep up with you. Locals don't get to close to my car I have told you before if I fly off into the back of your car don't say I did not tell you. A flow of cars in front of the house so they know when you are going to hit the road so they can harrass you. Or should I say, Organization!!!!! There are probably 200 homes in each state that live the way we do but why do we get special treatment.

Try to help one another. My baby sleeps with a watergun beside his bed and the police and the church are pround of themselves and feel I bought all of this on myself. I need a chruch fill with love and a pastor that is not hot temper that feel he need to set me straight once and for all and don't even know what he is talking about. Am posting to help other because I feel as time move on we all will need more of God's love in the church. I just don't understand how the church can get so caught up in this and leave the love of Christ out am confused.

See they under estimated God or should I say the blood of Jesus, the cross they conditioned me to the noise and the stalking, electric stuff, fear but God conditioned me way before they did.

You can harass, abuse, torment, hate, kill the flesh but not the spirit. I love Jesus am struggling but after a while am gonna get up I might be bruised and confused but am a get up.

[bealert]

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I asked why it is almost impossible to prove thse signals exist. Perhaps a radios receiver would be the first thing, or maybe a spectrum analyser. My answer would be that people claim they cannot detect such electronic signals because those signals are not there.
i Have read up on Electronic harassment but i am not sure what to believe. what sort of devices can detect it? is it encrypted? is the technology only available to government organizations other wise it must be a security threat to have weapons like this available to gangs. loads of questions and no answers to be honest im bored with thinking about it.. but if we consider what could happen if gangs got hold of the technology i would 100% say its the police or some sort of security services. Or maybe its someone messing with the matrix that we perceive to be reality. Anyway i don't really care either way but its funny all the same.
A recent recording of a police office trying to infiltrate a organization was caught on a secret recording admitting the police use harassment gangs ..i think this is closer to the truth. perhaps gangs and the police are closer than we think.
this Gang stalking can happen to anyone, but it's being widely used on minorities, outspoken individuals, whistle blowers, dissidents, people who go up against large wealthy corporations, woman's groups, (single) women, anti-war proponents, and other innocent individuals. The majority of the targets are not aware this is happening to them and it continues for years. Even when a target moves, changes jobs, the harassment still continues. Every time the target moves, the government, or the local intelligence unit of the police will follow them around and start to spread the same lies, and slander to their new employers, coworkers, landlords, etc.

[deca]

bealert do you not get any EH then?


why do "gangstalked" TI`s want to link themselves with Mind control & electronic harassment victims?


Gangstalking is just gaslighting and Cointelpro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
Gaslighting
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For other uses, see gaslight.

Gaslighting is a form of intimidation or psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory and perception. The classic example of gaslighting is to change things in a person's environment without their knowledge, and to explain that they "must be imagining things" when they challenge these changes.

The term derives from the 1938 stage play Gas Light, in which a wife's concerns about the dimming of her house's gas lights are dismissed by her husband as the work of her imagination, when he is actually fully aware of the reason for their dimming. This is part of a wider pattern of deception in which the husband manipulates small elements of his wife's environment, and insists that she is mistaken or misremembering, when she challenges them.

One psychological definition of gaslighting is "an increasing frequency of systematically withholding factual information from, and/or providing false information to, the victim - having the gradual effect of making them anxious, confused, and less able to trust their own memory and perception."[citation needed]

The term has also been used in a political sense to describe the deception of electors by political parties.[1]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. The FBI used covert operations from its inception, however formal COINTELPRO operations took place between 1956 and 1971.[2] The FBI motivation at the time was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order."

According to FBI records, 85% of COINTELPRO resources were expended on infiltrating, disrupting, marginalizing, and/or subverting groups suspected of being subversive,[3] such as communist and socialist organizations; the women's rights movement; people suspected of building a "coalition of militant black nationalist groups" ranging from the Black Panther Party and Republic of New Afrika to "those in the non-violent civil rights movement" such as Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the Congress of Racial Equality, and other civil rights groups; a broad range of organizations labelled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society, the National Lawyers Guild, the Weathermen, almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, and even individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; and nationalist groups such as those "seeking independence for Puerto Rico." The other 15% of COINTELPRO resources were expended to marginalize and subvert "white hate groups," including the Ku Klux Klan and National States' Rights Party. [4]

The directives governing COINTELPRO were issued by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, who ordered FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the activities of these movements and their leaders.[5][6]

I believe the tech can mimic and elemulate these in a target thus making it hard for the TI to prove think about it today there is to many CCTV,camera recorders ect means to detect the psychical man intensive COINTELPRO tactics .

I also believe that in certian case the Tech could be used as a force multiply were one or two physical people could be made to look like hundreds

Thats my personal experience and belief
This is why I think they also try to make out there is more gangstalkers that there is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe
Shock and awe, technically known as rapid dominance, is a military doctrine based on the use of overwhelming power, dominant battlefield awareness, dominant maneuvers, and spectacular displays of force to paralyze an adversary's perception of the battlefield and destroy its will to fight. The doctrine was written by Harlan K. Ullman and James P. Wade and is a product of the National Defense University of the United States in 1996.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception
Deception (also called beguilement, deceit, bluff, or subterfuge) is the act of convincing another to believe information that is not true, or not the whole truth as in certain types of half-truths.

Deception involves concepts like propaganda, distraction and/or concealment. Fiction, while sometimes manipulative, is not a deception unless it is portrayed as partially truthful or as the whole truth.

In many cases it is difficult to distinguish deception from providing unintentionally wrong information. One of the reasons for this is that a person or an entire organization may be self-deceived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distraction
Distraction is the diversion of attention of an individual or group from the chosen object of attention onto the source of distraction. Distraction is caused by one of the following: lack of ability to pay attention; lack of interest in the object of attention; greater interest in something other than the object of attention; or the great intensity, novelty or attractiveness of something other than the object of attention. Distractions come from both external sources (physical stimuli through the five senses), or internal sources (thought, emotion, fantasies, physical urges). Divided attention, as in multi-tasking could also be considered as distraction in situations requiring full attention on a single object (e.g. sports, academic tests, performance).

Distraction is a major cause of procrastination, though it is possible to be diligent and still diverted from what is valuable. According to philosopher Damon Young, distraction is chiefly an inability to identify, attend to or attain what is valuable, even when we are hard working or content. In works of fiction, distraction is often used as a source of comedy, whether the amusement comes from the gullibility of those distracted or the strangeness of whatever is utilized to create the distraction.

People especially gang stalk TI`s think I am the one that's dissing there claims because I want agree with them or share there belief of being Gang stalked by multyable stalkers seemingly overwhelming odds against them (shock awe) and no one seems to believe them .
I am trying to get to the bottom off this and expose it plus help TI`s in this position help live there life
so You should consider what I have written and look at your situation is all these people after me like I believe or is there only one or two using physiological warfare ageist me

[bealert]

if i do its done in a way which i do not reconize and if i did i wouldnt say i did anyway. i just live a normal life as best as possible. this tech obviously comes from the police wouldn't you say.

[deca]

bealert I can`t work you out?

one minute you are saying Gangstalkers should find prove
Then you are telling them they should ignore all the forums because its entrapment
you first disagree with me , then agree , then accuse me of not being a TI then say basically I am prep etc....

Why is it that I am the only one thats shown any sort of prove ? and have so kind of science to back up what I say
Have tried to give helpful advice ?

Now you are saying that theres only "Gangstalking" no mind control or Electronic harassment

hmm I think you can quite easily by electronic harassment devises and use them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2006/04/04/mosquito_sound_wave_feature.shtml
The sound that repels troublemakers

A device emitting a soundwave which is designed to drive young troublemakers away from a problem area of Swindon has been hailed as a success. Listen to the sound online.

also


mouse and rat repeller
http://www.amazon.co.uk/rentokil-mouse-and-rat-repeller/dp/B000UK2QJI
This unit combines the dual-action of electromagnetic and ultrasonic technology to drive mice and rats from your home. Simply plug into an unobstructed wall socket. A high-frequency sound repels the mice and rats. It is recommended to purchase one unit per floor. For indoor use only.

so you can buy electronic harassment devices and use them

Know lets see what the military have

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device
The Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) is a crowd-control and hailing device developed by American Technology Corporation.

According to the manufacturer's specifications, the equipment weighs 45 pounds (20 kg) and can emit sound in a 30° beam (only at high frequency, 2.5 kHz) from a device 33 inches (83 cm) in diameter. At maximum level, it can emit a warning tone that is 146 dBSPL (1,000 W/m²) at 1 metre, a level that is capable of permanently damaging hearing, and higher than the normal human threshold of pain (120–140 dB). The maximum usable design range extends to 300 metres. At 300 metres, the warning tone (measured) is less than 90 dB. The warning tone is a high-pitched shrill tone similar to that of a smoke detector.

http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/medusa-microwave-ray-gun-controls-crowds-noise
A US company claims it is ready to build a microwave ray gun able to beam sounds directly into people's heads.

The device – dubbed MEDUSA (Mob Excess Deterrent Using Silent Audio) – exploits the microwave audio effect, in which short microwave pulses rapidly heat tissue, causing a shockwave inside the skull that can be detected by the ears. A series of pulses can be transmitted to produce recognisable sounds.

The device is aimed for military or crowd-control applications, but may have other uses.

Lev Sadovnik of the Sierra Nevada Corporation in the US is working on the system, having started work on a US navy research contract. The navy's report states that the effect was shown to be effective.

Scarecrow beam?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, directed-energy weapon developed by the U.S. military.[1] It is a strong millimeter-wave transmitter primarily used for crowd control (the "goodbye effect"[2]). Some ADS systems such as HPEM ADS are also used to disable vehicles.[3] Informally, the weapon is also called pain ray.[4] Raytheon is currently marketing a reduced-range version of this technology.[5] The ADS is currently being considered for deployment in the Iraq War.


Also a whole load on (DEW) and non lethal`s weopons
how are they going to integrate these into policing the streets?
look how the military are planing ahead and what future conflicts they are likely to get involved in ....urban areas the have and have knots....

[deca]

too me its quite simple ether they are using hundreds of stalkers(actors) and well placed props or the whole town in on it and your the last to Know and can set things up even if you quickly deviate off unexpectedly or they are messing with your mind/perception etc with one of these (neurological weapons, radio-frequency weapons)

I think possible they are using 1 or 2 stalkers and blurring your sense of reality (making out every ones out to get you and isolating you from the rest of community around you (who I believe have very little to do with it that's the good news))

I am not saying you are not getting stalked or harassed etc.. but it is not as obvious/straight forward as you might perceive , A lot of deception going on

[deca]

It's call blame shifting a white volvo stopped in front of me this week when I got sick and would not let me get pass him. Anytime my husband is late getting home although his time shows up on his paycheck the car is parked across the street.

They use the telephone the most my husband work cell phone is bug they know every move he make and they make it work to their advantage if I say something about them to make them mad. They destroy your life and get pissed enough to hurt you if you bad mouth them in the house or on the phone. Most of the tech is used by phone and a GPS system on your car. I drove behind some trees and they found me. I threw the phone out the window and they still found me. The perks came out laughing because they can track every move you make and the perks think its fun.

That is the sad part, what ever they use to hurt you with they turn it around and place in back on you some kind of way. And yes the locals are afraid to get punish that is why we battle it alone.

Deca is right, you will never figure out all of the tech stuff because it is so sophisticated. Like Deca say you have to stay calm because if you piss them off you will get it, we come here and vent and they read it and set something else up, we discuss them on the phone piss them off they set something else up, they send someone to sit beside us and listen to our conversations we complain they set something else up.

I was watched the whole time I went out today because because I said something in the house someone did not like. A guy that look like a PO watched ever move I made and made faces at me to try to intimidate me and make me think someone was coming to get me I licked my tongue out at him and had a good time. I talked as loud as I could and laughed in his face. Boy that bikers suit had to be toasty in this humid weather I hope it was worth it or he might have been doing the will of God from his little ol heart. God Bless his soul.

You have to control their anger more than yours and the people they are using if I want to see wrath let me say something about the PD or the Pastors. If you want to see Judgement try it.

sometimes you really have to take a big deep breath , these bastards a keeping you under a lot of psychological fear also I don`t know why TI`s come up with ridiculous meanings to situation they encounter "they do this, it means this" I heard a Ti say that if your work mates whistle at work it means they know you are getting microwaved....no it does not it means they are happy and content .....watch for these people that subvert things like this ,I think its because you don`t think straight when living with fear you are always on the look out for the next threat.....relax maybe these people arn`t stalkers ok

[bealert]

why promote exposure on a forum when you wont expose your own treatment. reason entrapment..the woman involved would not say why she would not give a responce despite several requests to do so because she didnt have a answer that would get her out of the situation without losing face. that's why you and all the others had to come to her rescue because she had messed up. shes probably on the forum now under a different name.

i believe gang stalking isnt any where near as wide spread as pretended to be. and that several members of the forum are the same person with different user names etc. this not only makes the forum look active it can give a sense of progress to mislead victims to expose there problem in detail.

[deca]

WTF are you on about ?

you avatar and name says it all to me a monkey with its fingers in his ears and call yourself bealert?

Ok how are you going to get prove of gangstalking you started this thread
" Gang Stalking - proof is whats needed"

[exhausted]

I had over 100 cars around me after posting on this board. A meeting at the church across the street and cars making circles around me like a bunch of vi snakes. I mean they put on a street theater. I have an attorney working with me and and am not about to post anything they can use against me.

I come here for support and I like to read other experiences and Deca's post. I am curious also about alot of this stuff and how they are using it and who is behind it. I do agree with you bealert and I think some people come her and post to see what is really going on with us and some post for the police I think the police post here probably to try to run us off the board.

Also who else would it be I have made them very made at me now for posting here, so if I posted alot of stuff here they would really stir up a bunch of trouble for me.

I went out of the area and the people were very nice to me and left me alone they felt sorry for me.

It's like a dream - no bealert I have never posted under another name and this stuff is real that you read up here. But is is very cruel, don't get confused because you helped me alot by possting here I think the locals thought is was just me I did something to bring this on myself and I need this done to me I would not do this to my dog if he would not bark after I feed him. This started after an investigation was done on a large corporation I worked for and then it just jumped from one area of my life to the next and on and on, they plug the churces in on the listening devices and they have pretty much made the decisions about what my family need I have a child with special need that keep alot of noise screams alot, people stop in front of the house after he scream, make faces at him, etc.

My husband work late hours they think they know his every move they have it all figured out. But the locals have it all figured out even if we try to fit into a church group no, no they have to tell us what to do based on what the police wants for this family. Well the police need to stop telling people don't come to our house, don't speak to us about anything use cars to communicate and then people show up three years later like someone hit them in the head with a brick not know which way to turn instead of going to the source I get harrassed for their mistakes or they knew what they were doing and set us up do we can't move out of the county.

Either way an attorney said it was police harrassment and stalking anyway you look at it. Too much is going on and community is too involve in fixing things the way the police want it.

A bunch of wise guys if you ask me.

[exhausted]

Deca am sendin you a private message.

[deca]

exhausted one thing I would suggest is try to understand fear what it can do to you how you can overcome it, also shock,trauma,anxiety
You probably be suffering from these from time to time so understanding them and finding ways to cope will help.
I fact I would advise any TI or person getting gangstalked to do this no mater who/how/what they believe is happening

[exhausted]

Nope, Nope, Nope I never post under another name and I know what will get me out of the situation but it is not my fault people set up stuff and let the church control my life through listening devices and I get stalked if I don't do what am told. People were told not to come to my house for three years and then they show up looking like a lost kitten, common sense would have told them it was a set up and I have seen it over and over again in my life.

How can I give them what they want if I don't have it not to mention I explain it to them when it first got started. I feel like am dealing with the moab. They use cars to communicate to me and my family and we just laugh at them. Christian are suppose to do things the biblical way not he police way.

They have put my life at risk and now they expect me to respond to their commands or else. I think the whole set up with me is a bunch of foolishness. Am dealing with anger, jeoulousy and control. It started with a corporation and went from one area of my life to another then they found out my son had a problem and my husband have a problem ignores the hell out of them and I get to be the game player and am the victim.

No this stuff is real bealert, I trying to decide if I should get off the board posting and just shut up because they pulled over 100 cars on me today for posting here. The police open this zoo they need to be the ones to shut it. Am not exposing alot here I talk to attorneys.

[deca]

The genuine TI was then jumped upon by all other members of the forum and accused of being a perpetrator just because he dared to ask the woman why she would not give her own details of her own EH yet hounded others to do so. Several people including you Deca and chicken amongst others hounded the victim until he left the forum. When a gang stalker gets in trouble or as not the intelligence to win a argument he will call on others to make accusations against a person without fact or reason other than the ti was questioning a member of the forum... and the gang stalker couldn't protect themselves or was being made to look a liar. it is in this situation a genuine TI will be accused of being a perp just because he dares to question the other members of the forum about a situation that need to be answered either because something don't add up or he just needs to clarify something. mCVICTIMSEU is a members only forum but posts can read by anyone with a computer. so any gory details you may put on to that forum can be read by anyone including your worst enemy.

T*** post
Hi Everybody
> > I have done nothing wrong but i find myself being threatened for
> trying to stand up for myself and what i believe in. I have asked a
> member of these boards a question, one which i feel is very
important
> part in trusting this very person but unfortunately they will not
> reply. In my opinion these board maybe a waste of time if you wish
to
> progress further in your quest to find the truth. I do not wish to
> get banned from this forum but nether the less feel this may
happen
> because i dare to question those who take it upon themselves to
help
> us. i find it
> > hypercritical someone should ask you to do something they will
not
> do themselves even if they are trying to help you. If you have
> nothing to hide come forward and explain to us your reason.
> >
> > If we cannot question those who lead us it is another nail in our
> coffin another step to losing our rights as individuals the very
> thing we are fighting for here on this forum, Linda speak out! Tell
> us why you will not tell us your gory details to put on to the
forum
> yet expect others to the that very thing.
> >
> > ------


T**** post
i think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca? if my question is answered by...

Deca<< me posted
Don`t Feed the Trol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who
posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online
community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the
intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or
to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]
"

T*** post
There is to much information on this forum about things that don't matter, too many irreverent facts given out, this forum will never achieve anything worthwhile until it gets organized.
is there a group leader? what as he/she achieved in the last year? what are the groups goals? where is the proof of any progress made? it seems all we have here is people trying to get personnel information out of you by insulating your paranoid unless you play along with there game how pathetic these people are.
------

Dear ----,

you have come to the right forum. It is all about EH and mind control and gangstalking.

Are you US or UK? Can you say a little about your story?

Regards
-------

Went on for weeks another TI was being friendly welcome her , then got falsely accused :rolleyes:
she whated every one to answer her questions but never answer anybody else s
she just piss every one off stirred up trouble then got banned

T*** post
Hello Linda.
you may have also posted sensitive information Linda although i care not for your reasons we must all be careful of manipulate people as a wolf in sheep clothing may be destructive to all our causes at the very least, don't you agree?
can you explain to me in detail what symptoms you endure, surely such a prolific forum member as yourself would like to give details to us less experienced TI's may be to set a example for newer TI's such as myself so we don't participate in unwittingly undermining the reputation of the forum. I feel a more detailed account of your unfortunate situation would give myself and other new members a little more confidence in our quest for justice. So please feel free to post your full details of your suffering so i and other members can at least gain some belief we are on the right forum, come on Linda show us you have guts to show me and others the way forward make a example of yourself prove you have guts and that you are not paranoid prove to me you have the strength otherwise how can i trust you.

with love and affection
------

she keep going on that Linda who first welcomed her and ask here kindly share her story , like most other help groups do

It is T*** you on about bealert?

[deca]

think this TI summed it up
Hello, T----,

As a long-standing TI, I've been reading your posts since you began
with http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4561, and am
trying to understand where you're coming from, but it's difficult
because (1) you are evasive, (2) you sometimes send mixed signals to
the point of being self-contradictory, (3) you sometimes jump to
unverified conclusions or vaguely incendiary suggestions, and (4))
you sometimes distort the truth. I shall give an example of each,
and then make a concluding remark and query that I would like you to
address.

(1) Members have consistently expressed interest in your situation,
which is natural with a new member, and yet you have rebuffed them
with various excuses and/or accusations (such as insinuations or
claims that they may be perps), which is not typical for a truly
targeted individual to make consistently – usually TIs are eager to
share at least a little of their story or situation. If you're that
reluctant to share, why did you even join and why do you persist in
posting?

(2) In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4570 you
demanded that a petition be originated (why does everyone else have
to do the work for you, Tracie, and you remain on the sidelines
criticizing?), but when Linda replied by showing a link to just such
a petition, you complained in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4572 that "Its good
but its not the same thing" without giving any details or suggestions
of your own as to how a supposedly better petition could be drafted.

Furthermore, in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4565, you say "I
really don't like to give out to much of my life story it is not
necessary other than i am fighting for what i believe to be
horrendous crimes against humanity which i believe is being used
against innocent people in this country", and again in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4570 you say ". I
do not wish now or ever to tell you my background it serves no
purpose in what i am trying to achieve", yet in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4615 you say "So
please feel free to post your full details of your suffering so i and
other members can at least gain some belief we are on the right
forum, come on Linda show us you have guts to show me and others the
way forward make a example of yourself prove you have guts and that
you are not paranoid prove to me you have the strength otherwise how
can i trust you." What's good for the goose is good for the gander,
as the English saying goes: in other words, on the one hand, you say
that it's not necessary for YOU to give information about your
situation and in fact you at one point utterly refused to do so, yet
some posts later after Linda has kindly and freely shared some
sensitive information about herself, you practically insult her
courage and sanity (suggesting that she might be paranoid) by daring
her to give out even MORE information, when YOU have done nothing of
the sort yourself. That is rank hypocrisy of the worst order.
Furthermore, your claim that giving out one's experiences of this
phenomenon (not the same thing as your "life story", which even if it
were perp-controlled from birth would have to include interaction
with non-perps) is not relevant to our cause is simply not true; most
victims lack any physical evidence of the crimes that have been
committed against them except for their testimony, which would be
indispensable in having any non-targets believe us and in having any
authorities act on a petition.

(3) In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4562, you
jump to the conclusion that "it must be someone with plenty of
authority such as MI5 just by the sheer size of things that happen",
yet you provide no real evidence that a non-target would consider for
a second (which may very well exist, such as past or present
programs, etc.), plus saying that "it" is MI5 while what we face is a
global phenomenon (including victims in China and India, etc.):
would those countries really just allow MI5 to interfere with their
citizens like this without their implicit or explicit consent? You
have offered no explanations about this.

You also make a rather irresponsible call in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4565 by
saying "individuals cannot beat this system it needs to be done by
taking direct action against MI5", which you qualify by saying that
it involves petitions but you do not rule out other things that the
term "direct action" denotes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action: "Direct action can
include nonviolent and violent activities, with a blurred
intermediate area of attacks on properties. Nonviolent activities
include strikes, workplace occupations, sit-ins, demonstrations,
sabotage, vandalism and graffiti. More violent actions include riots
and revolutionary/guerrilla warfare. Direct actions are often (but
not always) a form of civil disobedience and thus often violate
criminal law." It would certainly not be in our interests to ever
suggest that we should do some of what "direct action" can include,
and I for one am against any violent or illegal means in making our
case known to the authorities.

(4) In your post of
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/4561, you claim
that on this forum "there seems to be very little about multi
stalking and mind control", which is a patent absurdity: do searches
(very easy to do) involving those terms, and you will see that a huge
number of messages deal, for example, with mind control, 969 to be
precise (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/msearch?query=%
22mind+control%22&submit=Search&charset=utf-8).

In view of all of the above, I am quite dubious about your intentions
and your implied status as a target, Tracie. In light of the above,
are you willing now to be a little less harsh in your condemnation of
this forum and its members, or are you going to continue your blanket
condemnations, your misrepresentations, your one-sided demands, etc.?

Take care,
D----

[deca]

Nope, Nope, Nope I never post under another name and I know what will get me out of the situation but it is not my fault people set up stuff and let the church control my life through listening devices and I get stalked if I don't do what am told. People were told not to come to my house for three years and then they show up looking like a lost kitten, common sense would have told them it was a set up and I have seen it over and over again in my life.

How can I give them what they want if I don't have it not to mention I explain it to them when it first got started. I feel like am dealing with the moab. They use cars to communicate to me and my family and we just laugh at them. Christian are suppose to do things the biblical way not he police way.

They have put my life at risk and now they expect me to respond to their commands or else. I think the whole set up with me is a bunch of foolishness. Am dealing with anger, jeoulousy and control. It started with a corporation and went from one area of my life to another then they found out my son had a problem and my husband have a problem ignores the hell out of them and I get to be the game player and am the victim.

No this stuff is real bealert, I trying to decide if I should get off the board posting and just shut up because they pulled over 100 cars on me today for posting here. The police open this zoo they need to be the ones to shut it. Am not exposing alot here I talk to attorneys.


Who`s telling you to post under another name?

[godgoo]

its only your perception of the world thats gonna get you locked up or in a mental hospital especcally if you decide to write about it. OK, relax. No one can lock you up until you actually do something? It is a democracy you know, which means you can write about anything. Take rap for instace you can rap about murder say you done it. aslong as you have an alabi then your not going to get done! ?Have you actually ever wondered why gang stalking happens? It's becuase any other means is impotent, so you should exploit this. I think you are feeling too trapped because you don't make any sense about expressing the problem? Your feeling desperate, OK. thats normal but obviously you need to wise up and consider your position more and what can be done, instead of playing the victim they want you to be.

You simply tell them to go fcuk themselves, it really is that easy. Stop being and feeling submissive I would never submit to these people and close myself in a world of torture stressing about what they may do. Aknowledge all of their actions, be pleased about their actions. Their actions make you stronger and you laugh at them. They have no idea what they are creating? They are making what ever they considered to be weak; stronger than them.

Laugh at them, make them stress expose them break their temper. Burst their bubble and then kick the fcuk out of them. Violence will sort this issue out. come into my parla said the spider to the fly. So spin your own webb. Be a spider, not a fly.

These people that do these things are not worthy of their self proclaimed dominance over you. They are prop, waiting to be exploited, themselves. They open the door to their own defeat. They are defeated so they gather in number. This is cowardice and should be taken advantage of. So just get one and kick the fcuk out of them. Then systematically remove the leaders of the movement.

Goodluck! Don't wait for peace, it's time to be a warrior and show them that they are twatted under the sky. Hope this helps. I like these positions in life, they are good for a fight.

Go nutts man, Paint your face up, go get em. It will aid in your spiritual awakening to see these enemies defeated in fare combat. These people will have to be rekoned with in this way, for inner peace.

[deca]

OK, relax. No one can lock you up until you actually do something? It is a democracy you know, which means you can write about anything. Take rap for instace you can rap about murder say you done it. aslong as you have an alabi then your not going to get done! ?Have you actually ever wondered why gang stalking happens? It's becuase any other means is impotent, so you should exploit this. I think you are feeling too trapped because you don't make any sense about expressing the problem? Your feeling desperate, OK. thats normal but obviously you need to wise up and consider your position more and what can be done, instead of playing the victim they want you to be.

You simply tell them to go fcuk themselves, it really is that easy. Stop being and feeling submissive I would never submit to these people and close myself in a world of torture stressing about what they may do. Aknowledge all of their actions, be pleased about their actions. Their actions make you stronger and you laugh at them. They have no idea what they are creating? They are making what ever they considered to be weak; stronger than them.

Laugh at them, make them stress expose them break their temper. Burst their bubble and then kick the fcuk out of them. Violence will sort this issue out. come into my parla said the spider to the fly. So spin your own webb. Be a spider, not a fly.

These people that do these things are not worthy of their self proclaimed dominance over you. They are prop, waiting to be exploited, themselves. They open the door to their own defeat. They are defeated so they gather in number. This is cowardice and should be taken advantage of. So just get one and kick the fcuk out of them. Then systematically remove the leaders of the movement.

Goodluck! Don't wait for peace, it's time to be a warrior and show them that they are twatted under the sky. Hope this helps. I like these positions in life, they are good for a fight.

unfortunately a lot of what they do is ambiguous but will trigger a strong emotional response in the target , also other want have such a emotional response so when the victim complains they don`t understand and think them nuts, Also many victims have complained and have been falsely diagnosed under the mental health act and yes they can lock you up
Violanance is not the answer

it would like putting hangman's nooses were black people could see them and in a way that they new it was for them

or if you had a phobia about spiders then you would see a load of people pass you buy with pictures of spiders on them or see car number plates 5P1DE etc.....might also peep its horn or flash its lights

[godgoo]

I know exactly what this is. I understand also exactly what it is. Obviously this person has a weakness. They are vulnerable right now, So they must remove themselves from the people who are attacking them immediately. Or they will only go worse.

My advice to this person then right now, would be to dissapear for a little while. Their phobia of these events is getting worse, these people are true sinners, and this is why I would deal them defeat. But obviously this individual can not reason with the situation as they are not their usual self. This is typical of someone who is having a new and confusing experience. So they must go away for a little while and they will snap out of their mood, if they have absolutely nothing to fear. which usually they do not and this is their confusion.

when they make a recovery from these peoples mental abuse to them, they will be angry, as hell! So maybe they should kick the fcuk out of them prior to their going away.

People that do these things to other people are essentially snow balling this persons problem because they are ill also. This is what happens. When alot of sick emerges around an individual. alot of people are the ilness and chaos.

But I still reccomend a fist fight, This is good for these people who have had alot of such stress. In essence beat your captures. No reasoning will get through to these people they are like vultures who prey on weakness because they are weak to do that and ill. So this person is not responisble for this whole situation but must take responsibilty for 50% this will help them to come to terms with the situation, self discipling in this way will help to snap out of the mental grapple.

I am a firm believer that people should be beaten for getting your head, if they put pain in your head. Then beat them up. people who put pain in others heads are seriously nasty people, so violence is all that they deserve.

[bealert]

think this TI summed it up
tracie was good she stirred up a few people but it wasn't the situation i was talking about and you know that.

Linda drew was asked on many occasions by different people to show her case summery but she never did. this argument is not about Tracy its about Linda and several other members of the forum including you that jumped on a genuine ti when they tried to expose the forum for what it is. which is a forum corrupted by perps for the sole intention of entrapment. the forum was exposed and several of the threatening letters were sent to Tracy and terry by the scum that infects those boards (posts which have now been removed by the way) it doesn't matter if Tracy wasnt a genuine ti she was there to expose the boards for what they are and she did that.

SO DECCA TELL ME WHY LINDA NEVER DID A DETAILED CASE SUMMERY WITH THE FACTS ABOUT HER ELECTRONIC HARASSMENT YET ASKED ALL NEW MEMBERS TO DO SO.
ANSWER THIS FIRST PLEASE. SEING AS YOU STUCK UP FOR HER YOU MUST HAVE INSIGHT IN TO WHY SHE ACTED THIS WAY

[deca]

unfortunately the victim will probably have the anger/agitation/frustration build up then lose it on somebody innocent then get in trouble rant on about "gangstalking" ect.....then there mental health ect will get involved ect...
A lot of this is to get the victim to public react than the police mental health can be called in and the legaly cart you of to the funny farm.

[bealert]

I know exactly what this is. I understand also exactly what it is. Obviously this person has a weakness. They are vulnerable right now, So they must remove themselves from the people who are attacking them immediately. Or they will only go worse.

My advice to this person then right now, would be to dissapear for a little while. Their phobia of these events is getting worse, these people are true sinners, and this is why I would deal them defeat. But obviously this individual can not reason with the situation as they are not their usual self. This is typical of someone who is having a new and confusing experience. So they must go away for a little while and they will snap out of their mood, if they have absolutely nothing to fear. which usually they do not and this is their confusion.

when they make a recovery from these peoples mental abuse to them, they will be angry, as hell! So maybe they should kick the fcuk out of them prior to their going away.

People that do these things to other people are essentially snow balling this persons problem because they are ill also. This is what happens. When alot of sick emerges around an individual. alot of people are the ilness and chaos.

But I still reccomend a fist fight, This is good for these people who have had alot of such stress. In essence beat your captures. No reasoning will get through to these people they are like vultures who prey on weakness because they are weak to do that and ill. So this person is not responisble for this whole situation but must take responsibilty for 50% this will help them to come to terms with the situation, self discipling in this way will help to snap out of the mental grapple.

I am a firm believer that people should be beaten for getting your head, if they put pain in your head. Then beat them up. people who put pain in others heads are seriously nasty people, so violence is all that they deserve.
not good advice.

[godgoo]

unfortunately a lot of what they do is ambiguous but will trigger a strong emotional response in the target Twatted!

[bealert]

OK, relax. No one can lock you up until you actually do something? It is a democracy you know, which means you can write about anything. Take rap for instace you can rap about murder say you done it. aslong as you have an alabi then your not going to get done! ?Have you actually ever wondered why gang stalking happens? It's becuase any other means is impotent, so you should exploit this. I think you are feeling too trapped because you don't make any sense about expressing the problem? Your feeling desperate, OK. thats normal but obviously you need to wise up and consider your position more and what can be done, instead of playing the victim they want you to be.

You simply tell them to go fcuk themselves, it really is that easy. Stop being and feeling submissive I would never submit to these people and close myself in a world of torture stressing about what they may do. Aknowledge all of their actions, be pleased about their actions. Their actions make you stronger and you laugh at them. They have no idea what they are creating? They are making what ever they considered to be weak; stronger than them.

Laugh at them, make them stress expose them break their temper. Burst their bubble and then kick the fcuk out of them. Violence will sort this issue out. come into my parla said the spider to the fly. So spin your own webb. Be a spider, not a fly.

These people that do these things are not worthy of their self proclaimed dominance over you. They are prop, waiting to be exploited, themselves. They open the door to their own defeat. They are defeated so they gather in number. This is cowardice and should be taken advantage of. So just get one and kick the fcuk out of them. Then systematically remove the leaders of the movement.

Goodluck! Don't wait for peace, it's time to be a warrior and show them that they are twatted under the sky. Hope this helps. I like these positions in life, they are good for a fight.

Go nutts man, Paint your face up, go get em. It will aid in your spiritual awakening to see these enemies defeated in fare combat. These people will have to be rekoned with in this way, for inner peace.
the more you respond the more they will try to get you to respond. LIVE A NORMAL LIFE!
is the best way to beat it and so far i have.

[bealert]

unfortunately the victim will probably have the anger/agitation/frustration build up then lose it on somebody innocent then get in trouble rant on about "gangstalking" ect.....then there mental health ect will get involved ect...
A lot of this is to get the victim to public react than the police mental health can be called in and the legaly cart you of to the funny farm.
so decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way

[deca]

so decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way

how many times did linda ask ? did anybody else ask?

this is what linda asked welcomed T---- to the forum
Dear ----,

you have come to the right forum. It is all about EH and mind control and gangstalking.

Are you US or UK? Can you say a little about your story?

Regards
-------

you not starting the same shit on here going on about this over and over again?

[godgoo]

Maybe I jumped the gun I thought this person was being publicy harrased? So what eactly is going on couls someone fill me. As I can't read between the lines here, it's all confused?

[bealert]

how many times did linda ask ? did anybody else ask?

this is what linda asked welcomed T---- to the forum


you not starting the same shit on here going on about this over and over again?
answer my question first please.

oh Decca tell me why Linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way...

[bealert]

answer my question first please.

oh Decca tell me why Linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way...
you have failed to come up with a valid reason instead you tried to turn the situation upon me and make me look like i am the one to blame.

answer this first

oh Decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way. so you stuck up for her without a reason?

[godgoo]

Twatted!
As you can appreciate I get alot of violence orbiting around me. This is why I remain prepared for it. And I always like kickin someones head in.

[deca]

you have failed to come up with a valid reason instead you tried to turn the situation upon me and make me look like i am the one to blame.

answer this first

oh Decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way. so you stuck up for her without a reason?


did linda ever demand T___ like you do? over and over again ?

did anybody else demand you to tell your story or post any details? like you do?

did anybody demand you to answer questions? like you do?

Do you still wounder why you got band ?

[bealert]

answer my question.


o decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way.
EXPOSED seeing as i am trying to prove the boards were used for entrapment i think this is a important question don't you!

[deca]

answer my question.


o decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way.
EXPOSED seeing as i am trying to prove the boards were used for entrapment i think this is a important question don't you!

did linda ever ask you or anyone else to do a detailed case summery?


WTF are you on about entrapment?

I think you will find Linda testimony like mines and many others is part of 500 odd thats gets emailed around and posted on a web site and theirs no pressure to submit your testimony that's up to you.

Do you want to put TI`s from submitting testimonies describing the crimes against the human rights they are suffering , is that your game?

also make TI`s less trusting and paranoid ?

[bealert]

did linda ever ask you or anyone else to do a detailed case summery?


WTF are you on about entrapment?

I think you will find Linda testimony like mines and many others is part of 500 odd thats gets emailed around and posted on a web site and theirs no pressure to submit your testimony that's up to you.

Do you want to put TI`s from submitting testimonies describing the crimes against the human rights they are suffering , is that your game?
yes she did ask me to do a detialed case summery for roweana thursbury


o decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way.
EXPOSED seeing as i am trying to prove the boards were used for entrapment i think this is a important question don't you!

[deca]

roweana thursbury oh the person the works and knows the MP exposing The DR Kelly incident , You wounder why, And how she was getting as many TI`s as possible to submit there testimony so it could be properly investigated
Do you not think thats is a good thing?

and you were putting TI`s from doing this ...what a knob

roweana thursbury knows this guy Lib Dem MP Norman Baker
13 doctors demand inquest into Dr David Kelly's death
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199109/13-doctors-demand-inquest-Dr-David-Kellys-death.html


Linda was try to get as many TI as possible to summit to roweana thursbury ......

[godgoo]

What is going on here? This all seems to be confused. Just burry the thread. Or have a fight :)

[bealert]

see now you are getting offensive always a good sign someone is losing a argument. she asked several people before rowan thusbury was even mentioned




o decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way.
EXPOSED seeing as i am trying to prove the boards were used for entrapment i think this is a important question don't you!

[deca]

you wounder why I called you a troll the last time?

[bealert]

lol i like your style

[deca]

What is going on here? This all seems to be confused. Just burry the thread. Or have a fight :)

no I will keep my descent posts thank you very much

why do you want this thread buried ?

[deca]

you can`t beat the truth:p

[godgoo]

no I will keep my descent posts thank you very much

why do you want this thread buried ?
Because it don't make any sense, it doesn't deserve the heading title gangstalking, What is goin on here is nothing. It's just mindless head violence. There are many forms of violence, this is called head violence.

[bealert]

tracy got band dont think i ever have been.

o decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way.
(EXPOSED) seeing as i am trying to prove the boards were used for entrapment i think this is a important question don't you!

[deca]

come back Marpat , at least you can ask more than 1 question


why don`t you ask Linda , I can`t answer for her ok

if you ask me agian I will take you as ether being stupid,shill or a troll so its up to you .

[bealert]

you cant answer for her yet you stuck up for her and accused tracy of being a perp for asking linda why she wouldn't do a case summery..strange.


o decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way.
EXPOSED seeing as i am trying to prove the boards were used for entrapment i think this is a important question don't you!

[deca]

Maybe I should talk about online stalking?

and who is weird into ISP`s and have black boxes?

[godgoo]

Maybe I should talk about online stalking?

and who is weird into ISP`s and have black boxes?
Just have a fight :)

[bealert]

o decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way.
EXPOSED seeing as i am trying to prove the boards were used for entrapment i think this is a important question don't you!

answer this first and ill willingly drop the subject and move on. i will also apologize if you give me a answer.

[deca]

covert communication via microwaves and the possibility`s

as we all know microwave hearing is done via modified RADAR

What else can be transmit covertly and what advantage that will be???

[godgoo]

o decca tell me why linda never did a detailed case summery with the facts about her electronic harassment yet asked all new members to do so.
Answer this first please. Seing as you stuck up for her you must have insight in to why she acted this way.
EXPOSED seeing as i am trying to prove the boards were used for entrapment i think this is a important question don't you!

answer this first and ill willingly drop the subject and move on. i will also apologize if you give me a answer.
Why didn't linda do a detailed case summary?

[deca]

do you two go to the toilet together as well like women?

bealert why are you spamming your own thread?:confused:

[bealert]

Why didn't linda do a detailed case summary?
lol ..thats what i am trying to find out. a case summery is a detailed log explaining why you think this is happening to you..who you think is to blame and symptoms of electronic harassment. just thought id let you know in case you didn't know what it was. once it is done it is kept on record and available to anyone to read on line. once it is completed the contents can be used for any reason either for you or against you but any thing you cant prove will ultimately be used against you and the details could be used to prove paranoia or insanity. this is why i want to know why members got someone banned on the forum just because they asked a few question that in my opinion needed answering. such as why the person asking us to do case summary's didn't do one themselves. seems like a straight forward question to me. see how Deca is refusing to answer the points i have made by accusing me of being the one in the wrong. all i need is a explanation why i am in the wrong.

[godgoo]

lol ..thats what i am trying to find out. a case summery is a detailed log explaining why you think this is happening to you..who you think is to blame and symptoms of electronic harassment. just thought id let you know in case you didn't know what it was. once it is done it is kept on record and available to anyone to read on line. once it is completed the contents can be used for any reason either for you or against you but any thing you cant prove will ultimately be used against you and the details could be used to prove paranoia or insanity. this is why i want to know why decca got someone banned on the forum just because they asked a few question that in my opinion needed answering. such as why the person asking us to do case summary's didn't do one themselves. seems like a straight forward question to me. see how Deca is refusing to answer the points i have made by accusing me of being the one in the wrong. all i need is a explanation why i am in the wrong.I see. But in my world things like that dont matter, because I am insane. I would just laugh at any attempt to call me or even punish me because I am hard. And so I can't be punished easily. This is my belief and this wards off all opposition. I cant be F'ked with, not by paper. No matter where they put me for any idea I will be ok. there absolutely nothing another persons opinion can do to me, nothing at all. Infact alot of people can't do anything to me, and thats where I stand. but I am reasonable. I don't attack people I only defend myself. So I can't be messed with in most cases on any level. thats why I laugh. But don't get me wrong I am a nice person, I just don't get other peoples stupidity at trying to prove a point when they can't win in a fight.

you can't break someones will easily who can kick your arse. so it's all bullshit until they can kick your arse, Or they're Gay!

[deca]

http://mindcontrolvictim.blogspot.com/

I think you will find Linda`s testimony on there with hundreds of other victims


Why did you bother joining MCvictimsEU?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/

as from the home page it makes its self quite clear
Description
This Group is set up for Victims of Electronic Mind Control, Remote harassment, Terrorism and Torture with Directed Energy Weapons, to share and discuss solutions to this growing worldwide problem, to find out how to get Authorities to investigate our claims and also to support the new victims showing up in Europe.

You may post in ANY LANGUAGE on this Group!!
Related website: www.mindcontrol-victims.eu

[godgoo]

In all instances if they were using things against you. I would just spout bullshit in all instances. and restract. Then I would tell them to go F-themselves. They can do what they want to me. I dont care. I am only here to take the piss. Aslong as I get my 4 round a day they can put me in guantanamo.

[bealert]

but there is no details of her symptoms or who she thinks is doing it and why etc. all this states is she is against electronic harassment. no personnel details have been disclosed.
see below

I AM SUPPORTING THE WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN AGAINST ABUSE OF DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS AND MANIPULATION TECHNOLOGY ON HUMANS

a the torture of human beings beyond the level of all regularly used painkillers,
b abolition of human rights,
c complete loss of privacy making the Data Protection Act a nonsense &
d manipulation of human beings remotely via the central nervous system..

It was even on UK TV a few weeks ago and a neuroscientist said that we would all be wired up remotely by the year 3001 and he did not bat an eyelid when he said it. This is because this has been possible since 1983 (according to an ex CIA man) when implants were no longer needed to torture people in the privacy of their own homes. Other documentation, vast amounts of it, makes it obvious that the technology exists now and is being used following mountains of research and billions of dollars during and after the MKultra era. To still pin it on bizarre delusions via the Psychiatry so called ''profession'' does nothing to enhance their already bad reputation. I am a targeted individual myself.I live in the UKMy nationality is: British.I was first targeted in November 2006.I DEMAND AN INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO THESE CRIMES AND HUGE VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS!


This is just a basic letter saying she believes it is happening to her no real content here. i can get this information on virtually any gang stalking website.

[bealert]

never mind about taking the piss i like reading your posts please carry on

[godgoo]

includes psychological harassment to induce psychosis, isolation, depression, and suicide; physical and emotional manipulation; and devastation of financial and social resources. Er, they can go fcuk themselves. Right now or they're tw**ted this is my advice to anyone who is acted upon in this manner. even if you are small woman, tell them to fcuk off, it's that simple.

They can lock me for kicking the shit out of you, for getting in my head. This is what I would do. Life is too short to forgive people constantly for using you like this. so just do it, you will be better off.

Obviously these people have to be within your reach to implement this attack, obviously they are very close. Get it done pay the price. then get out. and live a normal life afterwards. No matter what they do, or what you do, you will still picking yourself up out if it.

lesson one learned by co-harasser feel pleased you kicked their ASS, they lost you won. Problem solved.

[bealert]

http://mindcontrolvictim.blogspot.com/

I think you will find Linda`s testimony on there with hundreds of other victims


Why did you bother joining MCvictimsEU?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/

as from the home page it makes its self quite clear
i needed someone to talk to someone i thought was in the same position as me.
people should be warned about the dangers of a open forum and how your posts can be used against you if no proof of what your saying is given. i am still a member but i havent posted for months.

[godgoo]

Two ways to handle this sort of harrassment because it is complicated, and you can not prove them without being involved. rule one you can remain completely sighlent this is good, show no emotion, no response, ok you have psychosis so this is going to be hard. Not really. You can get out of that. Simply face it is that you fear, psychosis over problem dealt with no problem at all.

Second way is to lose it completely, kick the fcuk out of em. Pay the price, move on. either way they are turning you into a victim, because they see that you are good at being that victim, So you must be what they are stating about you, being crazy?

Which is OK, becuase you don't give a fcuk, about any of that. Becuase there is nothing anyone can do to you. nothing! Because their is only you who is wrapped up in this shit. And only you is going to whipe your arse and get out of this. you have no one else to rely, So don't look around for proof. considering only you is involved then do wtf you want

If these people want to see you in a psychosis and paranoid and all that, then let them see you naked peeling your face off. Who gives a fcuk?

[godgoo]

I can see what is wrong with this person, she is timid. She is wrapped up in her timidity, probably becuase she is little woman. This is why her harrassers are a peice of piss, also.

she should put herself where she can be seen, at all times. Even leave the blinds wide open. the windows open. Have BBQ's on the front lawn, invite her harrassers over. then tell them to go fcuk themselves. Invite them round for a drink and then tell them go fcuk themselves. I would be real shady to these people.

[deca]

This is just a basic letter saying she believes it is happening to her no real content here. i can get this information on virtually any gang stalking website.

As I say we make no demands on members on our group or pressurize them
I think what so wrote is straight to the point and used in group mailing action


obviously when somebody reads the group action and takes an interest like Rowena did and wants to know more we ask TI`s if they would do so, I can`t see anything wrong with this.Curiously you joined the group around this time:rolleyes:
The only person that is making demands, and making accusation is yourself, like now and then.....

Its clearly you are disruptive ,negative attitude and rude, sorry I will not having nothing more to do with you.

I like it when people like you try and discredit my posts , it just shows I been effective and there's some truth In them:)

You can`t argue the science thanks "Bioeffects Of Selected Nonlethal Weapons" , Dr Nick Begich .....nope all you have is to intimidate,harass and try and discredit the victims :)

[bealert]

i have never been rude, its a shame you cant see or understand my philosophy it just shows me i am right. but its better for you to run away than to lose face by being made to look a liar:) which is not my intention. Rowena is without doubt a trustworthy person i never doubted that...its just exposure can be used for malicious purposes and i want victims to realize that before they give out detailed information about symptoms which mimic mental illness. live a normal life is the only answer it this that will achieve victory over those that wish us harm and not exposure.. because exposure only exposes ourselves

[deca]

i have never been rude, its a shame you cant see or understand my philosophy it just shows me i am right. but its better for you to run away than to lose face by being made to look a liar:) which is not my intention.

how many times have I proved you to be a liar?

also for someone saying TI`s should protect their privacy , you make light work of waving somebody's else testimony about and criticizing it ,so yet again you show yourself up not as a liar but also a hypocrite something you was trying to accuse me of:rolleyes: You have not proved any of the points you claim to Expose not one, you just think you can spam under false accusation, and claim you are the innocent party , like on mcvictimsEU it never worked there , it will not work here sorry , you just not very good are you.

The only people you hope to sucker in is the people that don`t know whats going on and only glanced over the last 3 posts , you hope they will feel sorry for you and be suckered into some pathetic argument that you started to distract and discredit other TI`s on this forum :cool:

you know that TI`s suffer and there emotions fly high, if you keep goating them , they get piss off and swear at you and rant , then you will use this as them picking on you, play the innocent ect......
really sad....what have you actually done to help TI`s? can you provide a link to something positive you have done? or been involved in?

[deca]

i have never been rude, its a shame you cant see or understand my philosophy it just shows me i am right. but its better for you to run away than to lose face by being made to look a liar:) which is not my intention. Rowena is without doubt a trustworthy person i never doubted that...its just exposure can be used for malicious purposes and i want victims to realize that before they give out detailed information about symptoms which mimic mental illness. live a normal life is the only answer it this that will achieve victory over those that wish us harm and not exposure.. because exposure only exposes ourselves

Name one TI that has fallen to your paranoid claim ?
or is it a false belief you spread around?

please tell me were you heard this?

[bealert]

you have nether proved me a liar yet i ahve you several times. i wont be drawn in to your games deca you were maniplative on the forum and you appear to be here. you have made no progress in your exposure its just a shame that exploitation of desperate people by the forums seems to give you a high. Why do you get off on it so much? at least my way no one gets hurt and its only the gang stalkers that get more infuriated at my lack of response. I wish you well in the future and there is no hard feeling on my part disagreements happen and failure to bridge that gap as not been due to my efforts to protect victims from this kind of malicious guiding s. People should at least be made to realize the dangers of exposure and then make up there minds themselves and not face a barrage of pressure from people that may not have there best intentions in mind.

[bealert]

any way lets leave it there no point in slagging each off. i don't believe that's a way forward in any argument and it just leads to many unnecessary posts and a waste of time for all involved.

[deca]

you have nether proved me a liar yet i ahve you several times. i wont be drawn in to your games deca you were maniplative on the forum and you appear to be here. you have made no progress in your exposure its just a shame that exploitation of desperate people by the forums seems to give you a high. Why do you get off on it so much? at least my way no one gets hurt and its only the gang stalkers that get more infuriated at my lack of response. I wish you well in the future and there is no hard feeling on my part disagreements happen and failure to bridge that gap as not been due to my efforts to protect victims from this kind of malicious guiding s. People should at least be made to realize the dangers of exposure and then make up there minds themselves and not face a barrage of pressure from people that may not have there best intentions in mind.

Ist time
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1125811&postcount=44
How do you know EH can`t be proved ? A TI has had an order


on here http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1128737&postcount=84

you just doing the exactly would did on McvictimsEU witch this TI some up here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1128748&postcount=85


ok Or do I have to go there every post you have done point every half truth,contradiction ,disinformation and lie?

[deca]

any way lets leave it there no point in slagging each off. i don't believe that's a way forward in any argument and it just leads to many unnecessary posts and a waste of time for all involved.

is that admittance and a apology ? or as near as I am going to get.
Funny how you change your tune when you know I will prove you are a liar you come over as innocent as you are the one making the peace and I am the one stirring things up :rolleyes:

I quite happy to leave this thread , I not going to get into a endless looping argument , think no plane , no core ext....have seen these types of thing they just zap your energy

[bealert]

i have learn t as i have gone on deca i am not perfect i make mistakes. all i know is i am right i am not here to prove you wrong or a liar so why are you doing this to me seems as if your in to character assassination again a technique used by perps.

[bealert]

is that admittance and a apology ? or as near as I am going to get.
Funny how you change your tune when you know I will prove you are a liar you come over as innocent as you are the one making the peace and I am the one stirring things up :rolleyes:

I quite happy to leave this thread , I not going to get into a endless looping argument , think no plane , no core ext....have seen these types of thing they just zap your energy
its just seems your not a very intelligent person deca its like banging my head against a brick wall and to be honest i have a headache. it was you that said you was going to leave first and that you were not going to have anything to do with me or are you going to lie about that as well RE POST 131

[bealert]

are you going to follow my post around now like some sick stalker or are you going to get others to do it.

[gilly]

People may have different view-points stemming from differing experiences.
Best to stay away from personal attacks on each other's characters ay?

[deca]

I think Gangstalking TI`s are there own worst enemy and don`t take in account of various things ....after a while anything that's negative or irritates,harass them is some how deliberate and organized to personal persecute them, that does not mean they don`t experience this or effected by it its just there explanation does not add up.
I do believe they do get harassed and intimidated.


sorry If this replay a bit of a jumble sort of post to another TI ,I am working on linking this together.

I think TI`s need to break the "got gangstalked" ----" why me"----"who doing it" cycle

I think TI`s should stick to understanding how there Minds work and the Technology not get distracted by people/things in there environment they belief & who they perceive are harming them




This is my point new TI`s need the information , the terms to look up ,support
and help unfortunately when they are in trauma,shock and in a Hyper Vigilance
state, were do they go? Gangstalking sites which I believe don`t help to
explain, are misleading hardly mention the technology and basically say yes you
are being fallowed and their are all this groups after you and agents and
snitches, heres what they do huge list of ambiguous behavior with some kind of
covert meaning attached and then says your family loved ones,kids will snitch on
you...good luck.

Are you surprise they all learn to spot all this and end up believing half to
town in on it ?

Yes TI`s need to talk but they don`t have always have to agree and "reinforce" a
belief into a another TI.

We need to relate to other TI`s but not through what we saw our believed preps
do or by saying everything negative in our live is due to Prep action.



first hyper vigilance

what is it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervigilance

Hypervigilance
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Hypervigilance is an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors whose purpose is to detect threats. Hypervigilance is also accompanied by a state of increased anxiety which can cause exhaustion. Other symptoms include: abnormally increased arousal, a high responsiveness to stimuli and a constant scanning of the environment for threats.[1] Hypervigilance is a symptom of posttraumatic stress disorder.[2]

[edit] Symptoms

People suffering from hypervigilance may become preoccupied with studying their environment for possible threats, causing them to lose connections with family and friends. They will often have a difficult time getting to sleep or staying asleep.

Now you said that hypervigilance is caused by harassment and that harassment was by OS but is this not a expanding vicious circle ?

The more sensitivity you are to your environment the more you notice , the more it harasses you? Also don`t other TI`s tell you what to be aware of? what preps they spot? don`t Gangstalking sites train you to spot preps and decode there signals and tactics ?

whats an everyday occurrence when you are feeling hypervigilanent? or some deliberate action to make you hypervigilanent begin?


Can the tech not make you hypervigilanent in the first place by its self?


Also why would they make you hypervigilanent?


It is definitely not useful to be in a hypervigilanent state for any type of mind control as far I am aware.

think about it what does an hypnotist say

"watch my eyes you are getting sleepy"

I Have heard that some believe its to apply NLP ...what are they trying to HyperNLP you? how could they focus the NLP with all the other stimuli you are taken in and processing ?


brainwashing & mind control techniques
http://www.phinnweb.org/neuro/brainwash/



1) HYPNOSIS - Inducing a high state of suggestibility, often thinly disguised as relaxation or meditation.

a. Repetitive Music (most likely with a beat close to the human heart 45 to 72 beats per minute). Most likely used during "study sessions" as the teacher will say the music helps you relax and concentrate better!

b. Voice Roll -- A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.

c. Room "Feel" - The way a room feels is essential to hypnotizing unknowing subjects. It needs special lighting, florescent lights are best because they aren't too dim, but aren't too harsh. Also, Room Temp helps a bit, usually a little cooler than normal room temperature. You need to have the unknowing subjects very relaxed, perhaps even close to falling asleep.

2) PEER GROUP PRESSURE - Suppressing doubt and resistance to new ideas by exploiting the need to belong.

3) "LOVE BOMBING" - Creating a sense of family through physical touch, thought & feeling sharing and emotional bonding.

4) REJECTION OF OLD VALUES - Accelerating acceptance of new lifestyle by constantly denouncing former beliefs and values.

5) CONFUSING DOCTRINE - Encouraging blind acceptance and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible doctrine.

6) METACOMMUNICATION - Implanting subliminal messages by stressing certain key words or phrases in long, confusing lectures.

7) REMOVAL OF PRIVACY - Achieving loss of ability to evaluate logically by preventing private contemplation.

8) DISINHIBITION - Encouraging child-like obedience by orchestrating child-like behaviour

9) UNCOMPROMISING RULES - Inducing regression and disorientation by soliciting agreement to seemingly simple rules which regulate mealtimes, bathroom breaks and use of medications.

10) VERBAL ABUSE - Desensitizing through bombardment with foul and abusive language. (Physical abuse, such as torture, is the more extreme form of this.)

11) SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND FATIGUE - Creating disorientation and vulnerability by prolonging mental an physical activity and withholding adequate rest and sleep.

12) DRESS CODES - Removing individuality by demanding conformity to the group dress code.

13) CHANTING OR SINGING - Eliminating non-cult ideas through group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases.

14) CONFESSION - Encouraging the destruction of individual ego through confession of personal weaknesses and innermost feelings of doubt.

15) FINANCIAL COMMITMENT - Achieving increased dependence on the group by 'burning bridges' to the past, through the donation of assets.

16) FINGER POINTING - Creating a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world.

17) ISOLATION - Inducing loss of reality by physical separation from family, friends, society and rational references.

18) CONTROLLED APPROVAL - Maintaining vulnerability and confusion by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions.

19) CHANGE OF DIET - Creating disorientation and increased susceptibility to emotional arousal by depriving the nervous system of necessary nutrients through the use of special diets and/or fasting. Also applying drugs for these purposes fall in this category.

20) GAMES - Inducing dependence on the group by introducing games with obscure rules.

21) NO QUESTIONS - Accomplishing automatic acceptance of beliefs by discouraging questions.

22) GUILT - Reinforcing the need for 'salvation' by exaggerating the sins of the former lifestyles.

23) FEAR - Maintaining loyalty and obedience to the group by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest 'negative' thought, word or deed.
Hypervigilance is an enhanced state of sensory sensitivity accompanied by an exaggerated intensity of behaviors whose purpose is to detect threats.
People suffering from hypervigilance may become preoccupied with studying their environment for possible threats, causing them to lose connections with family and friends. They will often have a difficult time getting to sleep or staying asleep.


Post traumatic stress disorder[1][2] (abbreviated PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to one or more traumatic events that threatened or caused great physical harm.

We are certainly going through a traumatic event.

Gangstalking sites use the term (DEW) direct energy weapons to describe the technology (neurological weapons, radio-frequency weapons)

what is a DEW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon


A directed-energy weapon (DEW) is a type of weapon that emits energy in an aimed direction without the means of a projectile. It transfers energy to a target for a desired effect. Some of these weapons are real or in development; others are at present only science fiction.

The energy can come in various forms:

* Electromagnetic radiation (typically lasers or masers).
* Particles with mass (particle beam weapons).
* Sound (sonic weaponry)

In science fiction, these weapons are sometimes known as death rays or rayguns and are usually portrayed as projecting energy at a person or object to kill or destroy.


You could say microwave hearing is a DEW but its not the microwaves & tiny amount of energy that cause the thermal expansion that effects us but the audio it can be produced inside our heads and the psychological direction used against us, so its not the raw energy .

Also if you look at what Dr persinger does and what Dr. Nick Begich says

Dr. Persinger's work, "Growing evidence from laboratory research suggests that the application of weak, complex, low-frequency magnetic fields to the human brain can induce sympathetic shifts neural activity and have consequences for cognition and awareness...The net effect of this interaction can be a magnetically induced altered-state of awareness often resulting in complex hallucinations."

also I think Dr.Nick Begich said that 1/50th of the strength of the earths natural magnetic field could entrain the human mind

So DEW is correct but it can be misleading its not raw energy to ZAP but more complex and at similar strength to what our own brains produce , This also explains why they are difficult to detect.[/quote]


Also They don`t mention victim mentality
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Baker4.html

What is victim mentality?
A victim mentality is one where you blame everyone else for what happens in your world. (Another definition not as commonly used is one that says a person thinks the future only holds bad things for them.) If you do not get the promotion it is because Mr. Johnson was out to get you. Not because he found you playing on the Internet every day. Your best friend called and said she could not have dinner with you. She is always doing that to you; not showing. You'll show her. You won't invite her when you go out again! Instead of remembering she has just started school and you did call her at the last minute. Victim mentality.

Recently I spoke with someone who no longer lives with a victim mentality. She has gone on with her life and is free from some of the extra baggage that come with being a victim. We discussed forgiving our abusers and how in that process you also need to forgive yourself. With that came loosing the victim mentality.

When she was living under the victim mentality she found herself angrier. She found herself swirling in a sea of resentment towards her abuser. She stayed locked in that cycle and never seemed to move forward. If she got sick, she became angry at him. If the kids messed up, she became angry at him. He was no longer in the picture, but it was all his fault. It was not hers; he made things this way... Life is easier when you can play the blame game. The blame game makes it easy for your life not to move forward or for you to grow.


Also how do other people view and treat TI`s?
prejudice,preconceived ideas , predictive programing we are up against


Tin foil hat
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A person wearing a tin foil hat.

A tin foil hat is a piece of headgear made from one or more sheets of aluminium foil or similar material. Alternatively it may be a conventional hat lined with foil. Some people wear the hats in the belief that they act to shield the brain from such influences as electromagnetic fields, or against mind control and/or mind reading.

The concept of wearing a tin foil hat for protection from such threats has become a popular stereotype and term of derision; the phrase serves as a byword for paranoia and is associated with conspiracy theorists.

The reasons for their use include the supposed prevention of perceived harassment from governments, spies or paranormal beings. These draw on the stereotypical images of mind control operating by ESP or technological means, like microwave radiation. The effectiveness of tin foil hats is disputable, however the belief in their necessity is popularly associated with paranoia or mental illness.[1]
Contents
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* 1 Scientific basis
* 2 References in popular culture
* 3 See also
* 4 References
* 5 External links

[edit] Scientific basis

The notion that a tin foil hat can significantly reduce the intensity of incident radio frequency radiation on the wearer's brain has some scientific validity, as the effect of strong radio waves has been documented for quite some time. [2] A well constructed tin foil enclosure would approximate a Faraday cage, reducing the amount of (typically harmless) radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation inside. A common high school physics demonstration involves placing an AM radio on tin foil, and then covering the radio with a metal bucket. This leads to a noticeable reduction in signal strength. The efficiency of such an enclosure in blocking such radiation depends on the thickness of the tin foil, as dictated by the skin depth, the distance the radiation can propagate in a particular non-ideal conductor. For half-millimeter-thick tin foil, radiation above about 20 kHz (i.e., including both AM and FM bands) would be partially blocked, although it should be noted that tin foil is not sold in this thickness, and numerous layers of tin foil would be required to sustain this effect.[3]

The effectiveness of the tin foil hat as electromagnetic shielding for stopping radio waves is greatly reduced by the fact that it is not a complete enclosure. Placing an AM radio under a metal bucket without a conductive layer underneath demonstrates the relative ineffectiveness of such a setup. Indeed, because the effect of an ungrounded Faraday cage is to partially reflect the incident radiation, a radio wave that is incident on the inner surface of the hat (i.e., coming from underneath the hat-wearer) would be reflected and partially 'focused' towards the user's brain. While tin foil hats may have originated in some understanding of the Faraday cage effect, the use of such a hat to attenuate radio waves belongs properly to the realm of pseudoscience.

A study by graduate students at MIT determined that a tin foil hat could either amplify or attenuate incoming radiation depending on frequency; the effect was observed to be roughly independent of the relative placement of the wearer and radiation source.[4] At GHz wavelengths, the skin depth is less than the thickness of even the thinnest foil.[citation needed]

Tin foil hats are seen by some as a protective measure against the effects of electromagnetic radiation (EMR). Despite some allegations that EMR exposure has negative health consequences,[5] at this time, no link has been verifiably proven between the radio-frequency EMR that tin foil hats are meant to protect against and subsequent ill health.[6]

[edit] References in popular culture

Tin foil hats were worn in the movie Signs to protect from alien mind-reading tactics, and coincidentally were alluded to in another Mel Gibson movie, Conspiracy Theory.

Tin foil hats are frequently used in popular culture to indicate paranoia, especially as induced by mental illness.[1]

EastEnders character Joe Wicks was briefly portrayed constructing and wearing his own tin foil hat as part of a storyline which saw him suffering from schizophrenia.

In an episode of the Discovery Channel television show Mythbusters dealing with microwave oven myths, Adam Savage constructed a tin foil hat to wear while working in the shop, as Jamie Hyneman had taken apart a microwave in an attempt to design a "microwave gun." That hat was not intended to provide serious protection for Adam, and was a tongue-in-cheek reference to their use. However, Adam was seriously concerned for the safety of the show's cast and crew while working with an uncovered microwave.

In April 2007, MMORPG World of Warcraft announced a new in-game item on its website named the 'Tinfoil Hat'. The hat came complete with tongue-in-cheek statistics such as hiding the player's profile from The Armory (an online character database), and allowing the player to see 'the truth'. The item was later revealed to be an April Fool's Day joke.

FactCheck suggested that those who espouse Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories "should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat."[7]

Dam this is shocking

EastEnders character Joe Wicks was briefly portrayed constructing and wearing his own tin foil hat as part of a storyline which saw him suffering
from schizophrenia.



Also how the "system" is geared to work against us anyway basically to treat us like "mental ill" and disregard our claims as delusions and waste of time and paper work


also a TI is going through a bit of a culture shock, loss of status etc...
remember the movie Trading places
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_Places

For the experiment, they choose Louis Winthorpe III (Dan Aykroyd), Harvard educated, snobby, silver spoon manager of the firm’s Philadelphia office, and street hustler Billy Ray Valentine (Eddie Murphy). To destroy Winthorpe’s reputation, Duke operative Clarence Beeks (Paul Gleason), publicly frames him as a thief. Winthorpe is promptly arrested and fired from his job, and he soon learns that his bank accounts have been frozen and he has been locked out of his home (as it is technically property of the Dukes). When his snobby fiancé Penelope comes to post bail for him, a prostitute named Ophelia (Jamie Lee Curtis) kisses him and asks him to give her drugs, promising to do anything he wants her to do in return. Upset, Penelope calls off the engagement on the spot. Louis soon finds himself ostracized by Penelope and all of his friends and colleagues, who refuse to help him.




Winthorpe, finally hitting rock bottom after people look at him disdainfully on a bus, move seats when he sits down, is urinated on by a dog and it starts to rain, attempts suicide twice, first with a pistol (which jams, but fires when he drops it) and then with an overdose of sleeping pills. He is taken back to his own house and nursed back to health, and Valentine, Ophelia, and Coleman tell him about the Dukes’ full scheme. The enraged Winthorpe initially wants to cripple the Dukes physically by shooting them in the kneecaps with a double-barrel shotgun, but Valentine suggests that breaking them financially would be the best revenge for both of them.

unfortunately we attract (magnets) for anti socially behavior and crime ...not because its organize its society picks on the "weak" and "weird" not that we are but non TI`s perceive we are.

[wchen99]

now I may be confused here, but what is gangstalking? do you mean people actually following you in the street? or people harassing you online? or what?

[Ian2day]

Gang stalking comes about when organised crime is mixed with sex circles. Make an enemy of one and the rest of the clan is likely to be informed and join in the games. Its harrassment by cowards. Just smile to yourself and leave them to their madness.

[deca]

sometimes you just have to leave the how/why/what alone and realize this is not mentally/psychically healthy for us

understanding ourselves and things like Fear,trauma,shock etc... and how they effect us will hopeful makes us cope and deal with what ever we are going throw.
I think its important to understand how we reacted emotional/psychically etc when we get gangstalked and find ways so we internally counter measure this and limit the Psychological damage/effect on us.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_trauma

Psychological trauma
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Psychological trauma is a type of damage to the psyche that occurs as a result of a traumatic event. When that trauma leads to posttraumatic stress disorder, damage may involve physical changes inside the brain and to brain chemistry, which damage the person's ability to adequately cope with stress.

A traumatic event involves a single experience, or an enduring or repeating event or events, that completely overwhelm the individual's ability to cope or integrate the ideas and emotions involved with that experience. The sense of being overwhelmed can be delayed by weeks, years, even decades, as the person struggles to cope with the immediate circumstances. Trauma can be caused by a wide variety of events, but there are a few common aspects. There is frequently a violation of the person's familiar ideas about the world and of their human rights, putting the person in a state of extreme confusion and insecurity. This is also seen when people or institutions depended on for survival violate or betray or disillusion the person in some unforeseen way.[1]

Psychological trauma may accompany physical trauma or exist independently of it. Typical causes of psychological trauma are sexual abuse, violence, the threat of either, or the witnessing of either, particularly in childhood. Catastrophic events such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, war or other mass violence can also cause psychological trauma. Long-term exposure to situations such as extreme poverty or milder forms of abuse, such as verbal abuse, can be traumatic (though verbal abuse can also potentially be traumatic as a single event).

However, different people will react differently to similar events. One person may experience an event as traumatic while another person would not suffer trauma as a result of the same event. In other words, not all people who experience a potentially traumatic event will actually become psychologically traumatized.[citation needed]
Symptoms of trauma

People who go through these types of extremely traumatic experiences often have certain symptoms and problems afterward. How severe these symptoms are depends on the person, the type of trauma involved, and the emotional support they receive from others. Reactions to and symptoms of trauma can be wide and varied, and differ in severity from person to person. A traumatized individual may experience one or several of them.[2]

After a traumatic experience, a person may re-experience the trauma mentally and physically, hence avoiding trauma reminders, also called triggers, as this can be uncomfortable and even painful. They may turn to alcohol and/or psychoactive substances to try to escape the feelings. Re-experiencing symptoms are a sign that the body and mind are actively struggling to cope with the traumatic experience.[2] Triggers and cues act as reminders of the trauma, and can cause anxiety and other associated emotions. Often the person can be completely unaware of what these triggers are. In many cases this may lead a person suffering from traumatic disorders to engage in disruptive or self-destructive coping mechanisms, often without being fully aware of the nature or causes of their own actions. Panic attacks are an example of a psychosomatic response to such emotional triggers.

Consequently, intense feelings of anger may surface frequently, sometimes in very inappropriate or unexpected situations, as danger may always seem to be present. Upsetting memories such as images, thoughts, or flashbacks may haunt the person, and nightmares may be frequent.[3] Insomnia may occur as lurking fears and insecurity keep the person vigilant and on the lookout for danger, both day and night.

Memory of the traumatic experience may become accessible only via the associated emotions: factual memories that place the event in temporal and spatial context may not be accessible. This can lead to the traumatic events being constantly experienced as if they were happening in the present, preventing the subject from gaining perspective on the experience. This can produce a pattern of prolonged periods of acute arousal punctuated by periods of physical and mental exhaustion.[4]

In time, emotional exhaustion may set in, leading to distraction, and clear thinking may be difficult or impossible. Emotional detachment, as well as dissociation or "numbing out", can frequently occur. Dissociating from the painful emotion includes numbing all emotion, and the person may seem emotionally flat, preoccupied, distant, or cold. The person can become confused in ordinary situations and have memory problems.

Some traumatized people may feel permanently damaged when trauma symptoms don't go away and they don't believe their situation will improve. This can lead to feelings of despair, loss of self-esteem, and frequently depression. If important aspects of the person's self and world understanding have been violated, the person may call their own identity into question.[2]

[bealert]

are you going to follow my post around now like some sick stalker or are you going to get others to do it.
This is a post i wanted to put on the mcvictims forum and why i got banned.



> The forum you have posted on recently is a public forum all emails
to this forum can be viewed by the general public at any time. Any
information posted on this forum may be used against you for any
purpose which may include malicious intention's or otherwise. We are
not trying to get you to stop posting here but our intention is to
make you aware of the possibilities that any third party or member of
this forum may choose to act upon. we have asked a forum leader to put
a warning on the forum each time a user logs on explaining the
possibility and pit falls of a open forum. Remember if you don't want
your worst enemy to know something why post it on a open forum. We do
realise the necessity of getting your information to the public but we
would suggest perhaps writing as if it was coming from a third party
so that nothing can be pinned on you under the mental health act. The
above points are just there for guidance and in no way intended to
represent
> the actions of your forum but we feel there must be some sort of
guidelines here as a accumulation of so called posts could encourage a
malicious person to engage in an act that may not be beneficial to you
leaving yourself in a position where you cant complain due to fact
your posts may be exposed which may be seen as mental health problems.
> All we ask is be careful and remember anyone can read your post on
an open forum.


we should all recognize the dangers of posting intimate details of gang stalking especially as its well known about police and other government organizations monitoring the forums.

[deca]

This is a post i wanted to put on the mcvictims forum and why i got banned.



> The forum you have posted on recently is a public forum all emails
to this forum can be viewed by the general public at any time. Any
information posted on this forum may be used against you for any
purpose which may include malicious intention's or otherwise. We are
not trying to get you to stop posting here but our intention is to
make you aware of the possibilities that any third party or member of
this forum may choose to act upon. we have asked a forum leader to put
a warning on the forum each time a user logs on explaining the
possibility and pit falls of a open forum. Remember if you don't want
your worst enemy to know something why post it on a open forum. We do
realise the necessity of getting your information to the public but we
would suggest perhaps writing as if it was coming from a third party
so that nothing can be pinned on you under the mental health act. The
above points are just there for guidance and in no way intended to
represent
> the actions of your forum but we feel there must be some sort of
guidelines here as a accumulation of so called posts could encourage a
malicious person to engage in an act that may not be beneficial to you
leaving yourself in a position where you cant complain due to fact
your posts may be exposed which may be seen as mental health problems.
> All we ask is be careful and remember anyone can read your post on
an open forum.


we should all recognize the dangers of posting intimate details of gang stalking especially as its well known about police and other government organizations monitoring the forums.

wtf? is that not true on all forums?

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/privacy/

are you banned because a few post back you said you wasn`t ?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1128917&postcount=113
tracy got band dont think i ever have been.

You have chip on your shoulder about it, I don`t care it was months ago I have nothing to do with MCvictimsEU apart from being a member of the yahoo group and posting there????

Same on all the other mind control & electronic harassment sites I post on

You are acting paranoid , contradicting yourself and given TI`s a bad name

Don`t bother me about I have no say who gets banned , or on any site , nearly got banned myself getting suckered in and arguing with a trollish member a few weeks ago myself

have you got anything other stuff you what talk about apart from online privacy ?

I do share your concerns and anyone monitoring them could get a false impression or use it to back up some form of "internet delusion" or use it to try and ban and censor our site`s saying we promote "self harm" or discourage members not to fallow doctors medical advice etc..

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/health/13iht-13psych.17789939.html
Sharing their demons on the Web
By Sarah Kershaw
Published: Thursday, November 13, 2008



FOR years they lived in solitary terror of the light beams that caused searing headaches, the technology that took control of their minds and bodies. They feared the stalkers, people whose voices shouted from the walls or screamed in their heads, "We found you" and "We want you dead."

When people who believe such things reported them to the police, doctors or family, they said they were often told they were crazy. Sometimes they were medicated or locked in hospital wards, or fired from jobs and isolated from the outside world.

But when they found one another on the Internet, everything changed. So many others were having the same experiences.

Type "mind control" or "gang stalking" into Google, and Web sites appear that describe cases of persecution, both psychological and physical, related with the same minute details — red and white cars following victims, vandalism of their homes, snickering by those around them.

Identified by some psychologists and psychiatrists as part of an "extreme community" on the Internet that appears to encourage delusional thinking, a growing number of such Web sites are filled with stories from people who say they are victims of mind control and stalking by gangs of government agents. The sites are drawing the concern of mental health professionals and the interest of researchers in psychology and psychiatry.

I like the way the say light beams? I never heard a TI say it done by "light beams" but by the evidence and from classified documents we know its done by microwaves

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/nytimeselectronicharassment13nov08.shtml


NY Times Article Addresses Psychotronic Torture & Harassment

[Editor's Note: You will note that this article, while attempting to uncover the facts, does more to obfuscate and sow the seeds of disbelief and ridicule, then reveal the horrendous truth of this inhumane and vicious form of torture. As always, reference for authoritative opinion is given to the 'doctor' from Yale or Columbia in a rather condescending tone, while the 'janitor' from Cincinnati tells the victims' side of the story. It's typical of the New York Times, the "newspaper of record", giving us "All the News That's Fit to Print". Notice how many times the word "delusional" is repeated within this article and how the victim's reference to being a targeted victim is placed in quotes. . ..Ken Adachi]

By Sarah Kershaw
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/nytimeselectronicharassment13nov08.shtml
November 13, 2008

Anyway they have mind reading technology so they know what we do anyway!

[bealert]

wtf? Is that not true on all forums?

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/privacy/

are you banned because a few post back you said you wasn`t ?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1128917&postcount=113


you have chip on your shoulder about it, i don`t care it was months ago i have nothing to do with mcvictimseu apart from being a member of the yahoo group and posting there????

Same on all the other mind control & electronic harassment sites i post on

you are acting paranoid , contradicting yourself and given ti`s a bad name

don`t bother me about i have no say who gets banned , or on any site , nearly got banned myself getting suckered in and arguing with a trollish member a few weeks ago myself

have you got anything other stuff you what talk about apart from online privacy ?

I do share your concerns and anyone monitoring them could get a false impression or use it to back up some form of "internet delusion" or use it to try and ban and censor our site`s saying we promote "self harm" or discourage members not to fallow doctors medical advice etc..

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/health/13iht-13psych.17789939.html


i like the way the say light beams? I never heard a ti say it done by "light beams" but by the evidence and from classified documents we know its done by microwaves

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/nytimeselectronicharassment13nov08.shtml


anyway they have mind reading technology so they know what we do anyway!
the post was not directed at you why are you so paranoid?

[bealert]

i never actually got band but my posts were stopped by the mods from reaching the forum. some of them were also altered by the mods. Im talking mcvictims by the way

[deca]

i never actually got band but my posts were stopped by the mods from reaching the forum. some of them were also altered by the mods. Im talking mcvictims by the way

As far as I know only Monica who started the Yahoo group and it is just a yahoo group I not sure what kind of mod or admin powers you have over a group when you start one up ,I have never run a yahoo group
If you realized how much work Monica does to help TI`s you would not making these types of accusations , In fact Monica probably gets emails to ban certian individuals who act like trolls, but Monica`s attitude is quite relaxed and she understands what TI`s go through and only as a last resort she bans people from the forum.

[deca]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MCVictimsEU/message/8173 this a post which was created on Jul 21, 2009 7:07 pm and posted by deca. the previous night i was reading about project paper clip on the internet. yet more of deca's coincidences.

heres my proof of firefox history the night before.



WTF are you on about? I posted that about operation paper clip which I have mention numerous times over the last couple of years heard about it through watching a video done by Mark Philips and any way I sort put that post altogether on the 19 jul in a thread here about crop circles
and that was 19-07-2009, 03:22 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1130529&postcount=1678

so what you say about reading it on the 20th and then me posting it on the 21st is just rubbish

but the preps with tech subvert our thinking and turn TI against TI so we fall out a look like a pair of idiots to non TI`s ok, Have you not work that out yet

[deca]

the post was not directed at you why are you so paranoid?

I not paranoid just piss off at you accusing me every other post,and trying make out I some online prep or what every you believe.

Have you anything positive to add to the " Gang Stalking - proof is whats needed" the thread you started apart from accusing me and members of MCvictimsEU ? who do a lot of work and is a meeting place for TI`s to try and support each other not accuse and spread paranoia?

which groups do you recommend then?

There plenty of TI`s on this forum that need help and advice and I have not seen you post much?

There is a victim on here that feels and beliefs she is getting done it by a religious group and you post a picture like that how irresponsibility and no understanding you have of mind control & electronic harassment and gangstalking

[bealert]

I not paranoid just piss off at you accusing me every other post,and trying make out I some online prep or what every you believe.

Have you anything positive to add to the " Gang Stalking - proof is whats needed" the thread you started apart from accusing me and members of MCvictimsEU ? who do a lot of work and is a meeting place for TI`s to try and support each other not accuse and spread paranoia?

which groups do you recommend then?

There plenty of TI`s on this forum that need help and advice and I have not seen you post much?

There is a victim on here that feels and beliefs she is getting done it by a religious group and you post a picture like that how irresponsibility and no understanding you have of mind control & electronic harassment and gangstalking
think ive proved enough dont you.

[bealert]

-- In MCVictimsEU@ yahoogroups. com, "Deca" <dk90a@...> wrote:
>
> Normal Troll tactic
> Cause a troulbe ,wait for the reaction, plead your innocent
>
> Sad, get a life.
>
> Hmmm again another Troll tactic Ask questions but never answere any
> yourself.


think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca?
if my question is answered i will go away.
Tracie
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In MCVictimsEU@ yahoogroups. com, Tracie Walker <biggerbag@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everybody
> > I have done nothing wrong but i find myself being threatened for
> trying to stand up for myself and what i believe in. I have asked a
> member of these boards a question, one which i feel is very
important
> part in trusting this very person but unfortunately they will not
> reply. In my opinion these board maybe a waste of time if you wish
to
> progress further in your quest to find the truth. I do not wish to
> get banned from this forum but nether the less feel this may
happen
> because i dare to question those who take it upon themselves to
help
> us. i find it
> > hypercritical someone should ask you to do something they will
not
> do themselves even if they are trying to help you. If you have
> nothing to hide come forward and explain to us your reason.
> >
> > If we cannot question those who lead us it is another nail in our
> coffin another step to losing our rights as individuals the very
> thing we are fighting for here on this forum, Linda speak out! Tell
> us why you will not tell us your gory details to put on to the
forum
> yet expect others to the that very thing.

think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca?
if my question is answered i will go away.
Tracie
>
> >
> > Tracie
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail. yahoo.com
> >
users on the mc forum give out flase information such as they are making progress or they have evidence etc ..DECA show me one successful prosecution

[bealert]

-- In MCVictimsEU@ yahoogroups. com, "Deca" <dk90a@...> wrote:
>
> Normal Troll tactic
> Cause a troulbe ,wait for the reaction, plead your innocent
>
> Sad, get a life.
>
> Hmmm again another Troll tactic Ask questions but never answere any
> yourself.


think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca?
if my question is answered i will go away.
Tracie
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In MCVictimsEU@ yahoogroups. com, Tracie Walker <biggerbag@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everybody
> > I have done nothing wrong but i find myself being threatened for
> trying to stand up for myself and what i believe in. I have asked a
> member of these boards a question, one which i feel is very
important
> part in trusting this very person but unfortunately they will not
> reply. In my opinion these board maybe a waste of time if you wish
to
> progress further in your quest to find the truth. I do not wish to
> get banned from this forum but nether the less feel this may
happen
> because i dare to question those who take it upon themselves to
help
> us. i find it
> > hypercritical someone should ask you to do something they will
not
> do themselves even if they are trying to help you. If you have
> nothing to hide come forward and explain to us your reason.
> >
> > If we cannot question those who lead us it is another nail in our
> coffin another step to losing our rights as individuals the very
> thing we are fighting for here on this forum, Linda speak out! Tell
> us why you will not tell us your gory details to put on to the
forum
> yet expect others to the that very thing.

think its best to ignore people like you. you are obliviously against my rights as a individual to ask questions. why Decca?
if my question is answered i will go away.
Tracie
>
> >
> > Tracie
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail. yahoo.com
> >
users on the mc forum give out false information such as they are making progress or they have evidence etc ..DECA show me one successful prosecution

This section is from Amanda Palmer.

Please do not be rude Terry, Linda heard you the first time, we have discussed your apparent lack of assertiveness. We could redefine this as other things depending on ones "interpretation". Linda has answered your questions. Infact we both have. I suggest that YOU contact Rowena Thursby yourself. I mean this with kindness, you have to have the answer yourself, from the woman herself. Not going through Linda or me.

We have told you. What is the saying? "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink" In your case you cannot lead yourself to the water. Now listen, we have tried, we CANNOT hold your hand any longer.

Subject: Fw: [MCVictimsEU] case summery



In this post above Amanda says be more assertive in your attitude and contact rowena yourself
yet the whole point of the group should be to act as a group not as individuals so taking away the dangers of individual exposure. If each case is going to examined as a individual case then each person that posts without proof is open to corruption or manipulation of hes statements. This is why certain people were encouraged to give detailed case summary's whilst others just gave basic information in order to protect themselves from the mental health act which could be applied if a person gave reason to do so.



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Terry Vasa <terryvasa@yahoo. com>
To: MCVictimsEU@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:26:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MCVictimsEU] case summery

i will post this message every day just in case you forget to reply i know what our T I 's memory can be like
Terry

----- Original Message ----
From: Terry Vasa <terryvasa@yahoo. com>
To: MCVictimsEU@ yahoogroups. com; linda drew <linda@drew8891. fsbusiness. co.uk>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:57:32 AM
Subject: [MCVictimsEU] case summery

Hi Linda
some questions for you hope you don't mind.
Can i ask what happened to our case summary's once once you received them. ?
How Rowena will investigate our cause from the case summery we sent?
How will she proceed with any investigation without any futher help from us.?
Have you recieved any feedback from her.?
Can you post your case summery so i can read it please.

again here some basic questions are asked which should have been discussed by linda with any third party investigating individual cases before giving out personnel details

[deca]

I did exchange quite a few Emial with Rowena and found it very helpful , she was very understanding and trying to get head around this and at the Time wanted to here many TI`s story`s so she could present what she found to a few peolple she knows and works with i.e MP`s and try and get some kind of investigation of the ground , exactly what the MCvictimesEU is all about

i.e from the home page what does the description of the group say
Description
This Group is set up for Victims of Electronic Mind Control, Remote harassment, Terrorism and Torture with Directed Energy Weapons, to share and discuss solutions to this growing worldwide problem, to find out how to get Authorities to investigate our claims and also to support the new victims showing up in Europe.

You may post in ANY LANGUAGE on this Group!!
Related website: www.mindcontrol-victims.eu

Ok part of that means trying to get people in Authorities to investigate, we can only do that by submitting our testimonies and convincing that there is indeed a major problem to investigate , Linda throw contacting Rowena basically got Rowena to look at us with a open mind , we were all interested normally get ignored apart from a few people like Rowena and Jim guest ect...but we are getting acknowledged thou......
Sorry that you don`t approved off this kind of action but begs the question why you joined the group in the first place and why you are still going on about it months later???

Also Linda is a well known TI in the community that goes out a way to help TI`s and offers to put up TI`s for a short time ect. Ask John Allman about Linda ok
Also alot of us spent a weekend at Linda a week or two before hand so your trollish repetitive demands on her did not go down on such a kind person
ok
I video this at Linda`s house and been throw many times to visit her and meet other TI`s that what This group is about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYA9NDFJ74A

Also I think you will find other well know TI`s will know Linda and nothing bad to say about her ok

again you are showing signs of victim mentality and not being able to understand how the way you react will effect how others will react towards you.

[deca]

users on the mc forum give out false information such as they are making progress or they have evidence etc ..DECA show me one successful prosecution

There is a few court cases going on and a TI did get a protection order ok but that was in the US its a different story in Europe we have to get this to be consider that it is actually going on and not just so form of mental illness or internet delusion , That why groups like MCvictimsEU get step up so like minded/similar people as a group can share and work together .
Is it the members MCvictimsEU fault that theres no successful prosecution going on ? or the lack of understanding and the system we are up against? I think you will find its lack of understanding and the system we are up against something that MCvictimsEU are trying to do and me myself personally trying to do on this Forum ???

what have you done? before you criticize other victims?

what question do you want me to answer????

don`t keep asking why Linda did not post here details after you harassed her consistently and tried to whip it into some major issue, playing into TI`s fears and paranoia a basically sabotage the work that was going on with Rowena , another thing we try and over come to get TI`s to write there testimonies out and complain in a group action to people that can make a difference.
The way you was behaving made me believe you were a Troll

[deca]

In MCVictimsEU@yahoogroups.com, Tracie wrote:
My first thoughts on this forum having read several of the archived
posts are as follows.
> It is heavily infected with perpetrators there are several ways in
which i have come to this conclusion.
> 1 . Perps operate in a way in which they will protect each other so
that if one is challenged by a TI on a post all other perps come to
there rescue.
> 2. Also i have been warned about since joining this forum about
people who post private emails that were meant to be private use, yet
they have been posted here on this forum by malicious individuals
masquerading as TI's.
> 3. Too many posts on an array of subjects with no desire to focus on
the the real problem which is of course Multi stalking.
>
> Tracie

Er what is the group called ?
MCVictimsEU · Mind Control Victims Europe

If it was a group about "gangstalking" don`t you think it would be called GvictimsEU gangstalking victims Europe???

also it makes it self very clear what the group is about
Description
This Group is set up for Victims of Electronic Mind Control, Remote harassment, Terrorism and Torture with Directed Energy Weapons, to share and discuss solutions to this growing worldwide problem, to find out how to get Authorities to investigate our claims and also to support the new victims showing up in Europe.


Were does it mention Multi stalking ?



Re: decca

As for us being "cosy" you mean we try and get on and understand and
help support one another and forgive each other when they are getting
manipluated and make comments out of frustration and parnoia but also
have the abilty to express ourselfs and debate them then yes we are!

What kind of group are you used too?

Do they just re enforce there beliefs and fall out when you don`t
acept them then accuse people of being "preps" ?



--- In MCVictimsEU@yahoogroups.com, "Deca" <dk90a@...> wrote:
>
> Hmm linda has done a lot for the TI community, and gathered a lot of
> evidence ,hmmm what have you done Tracie apart accuse all us victims
> who are known and do a lot to expose and help other victims?

[bealert]

i have nothing against linda

[deca]

here is my theory how they amplify and multiply the effects of gangstalking to overwhelm the victim to force multiply

first lets think about the victim , they are throw into a surreal world with no real knowledge about it with no previous knowledge or experience

first we have to understand Perception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception
In philosophy, psychology, and the cognitive sciences, perception is the process of attaining awareness or understanding of sensory information. It is a task far more complex than was imagined in the 1950s and 1960s, when it was predicted that building perceiving machines would take about a decade, a goal which is still very far from fruition. The word comes from the Latin words perceptio, percipio, and means "receiving, collecting, action of taking possession, apprehension with the mind or senses."[1]

Perception is one of the oldest fields in psychology. The oldest quantitative law in psychology is the Weber-Fechner law, which quantifies the relationship between the intensity of physical stimuli and their perceptual effects. The study of perception gave rise to the Gestalt school of psychology, with its emphasis on holistic approach.

What one perceives is a result of interplays between past experiences, including one’s culture, and the interpretation of the perceived. If the percept does not have support in any of these perceptual bases it is unlikely to rise above perceptual threshold.


The processes of perception routinely alter what humans see. When people view something with a preconceived concept about it, they tend to take those concept and see them whether or not they are there. This problem stems from the fact that humans are unable to understand new information, without the inherent bias of their previous knowledge. A person’s knowledge creates his or her reality as much as the truth, because the human mind can only contemplate that to which it has been exposed. When objects are viewed without understanding, the mind will try to reach for something that it already recognizes, in order to process what it is viewing. That which most closely relates to the unfamiliar from our past experiences, makes up what we see when we look at things that we don’t comprehend. [5]

This confusing ambiguity of perception is exploited in human technologies such as camouflage, and also in biological mimicry, for example by Peacock butterflies, whose wings bear eye markings that birds respond to as though they were the eyes of a dangerous predator. Perceptual ambiguity is not restricted to vision. For example, recent touch perception research Robles-De-La-Torre & Hayward 2001 found that kinesthesia based haptic perception strongly relies on the forces experienced during touch. [6]


So basically when we first became targets/victims we are really in the dark and having a real hard time to make sense of what is going on?

but we might come across "gangstalking" sites they seem to shed light on this and reflect what we believe we are experiencing

But do they ? or are they more victims claims , fears and paranoia and don`t explain how the mind works i.e hypervilgent states, how our perception of reality works, classic conditioning.

Also as I have said before they down play the neurological mind weapons and basically call them DEW and say they ZAP you after they have gangstalked you and buggered up you life and isolated you, They zap you in your house
They basically try and convince you they need to psychically to fallow you were with today's technology Bugs,mobile phone tracking and stuff like CELLDAR that is clearly not the case.

They also don`t mention about phone tapping and snooping on emails and also the mind reading capability's rather try and convince you that there is people physically going around taking notes or people you know are snitching on you, that clearly is not the case.

These all play into your worse fears and paranoia making you turn against the people you now and trust and makes you trust no one.

http://soleilmavis.googlepages.com/wehelpvictim

Psycho-Electronic Weapon (Mind Control Weapon)Effects

General effects: sudden overheating. All-body pain. Forced “caffeine jolt” sleep prevention. Forced “Drop-in-your-tracks” sleep inducement. Irresistible “Go here, go there” commands, microwave burns. Electric shock sensations.

Involuntary test subjects also experience: frequent break-and-enters at home and at work with clothing and furniture. Business papers, computer files sabotaged modified or stolen. Psychological warfare research is the likely motive. Cases where victim walks under street lights which then go out are reported.

Details suffering Experience:

1. Forced memory blanking and induced err on one out actions

2. Induced changes to hearing. Both apparent direction and volume, and some times even content.

3. Sudden, violent itching inside eyelids.

4. Reading and broadcasting thoughts. Kids asking “Mommy, How can that lady talk with her mouth closed?” occur.

5. Vivid Controlled dreams

6. Forced waking visions-some synchronized with forced body motion.

7. Microwave hearing.

8.”Transparent eyelids”

9. Artificial Tinnitus (Ringing in the ears)

10. Forced movement of jaw and clacking of teeth.

11. Wildly racing heart without cause.

12. Forced “Muscle quaking” of the large muscle on the back or other unexplainable vibrations.

13. Remotely induced violent no-rash itching. With preference for hard-to-reach areas. Often during delicate or messy work; also described as “Shocks”

14. Forced nudging of arm during delicate or messy work. Causing injury or spills.

15. Cases of repeated fresh watch batteries drying.

16. Forced precision manipulation of hands, some times synchronized to the forced waking visions.

17. Special attention to genital area; itching, forced orgasm in tense pain. “Hot needles”

18. Intense general pain. Or hot-needles-pushed. In to-flesh sensations; AKA “stings”.

19. Also-wild flailing. Some times followed by short periods of “rigor mortis”.

20. Hard-to-reach itch site. Top and bottom, never any rash. Which often starts as the sensation of small electrical shocks?

21. “Demo” neuro-control by bending each toe backwards almost 90 degrees. One at a time, over a couple of minutes.

22. Unique feature of sleep prevention: Typically occurs as precisely the same time, night after night for weeks or months.

The First Un-classified successful transmission of the Human voice directly into the skull voice directly into the skull of a living person was performed by Dr. Joseph C. Sharp. Of the Walter reed army institute or research in 1974 by transforming a hypnotist’s voice using the lowery silent sound or smirnoff scramble methods. Used in the Gulf war, It is possible to hypnotize a target without the target being aware, from hiding leaving zero trace evidence.

Victims who have been suffering from terrible torture also have these experience:

Forced coughing, sneezing, a runny nose, no nose ventilation. Suddenly unable to breathe or breathing difficulties. Forced to shed tears. Forced diarrhea or constipation and incontinence. Not allowed to sleep for several days in a row. Always severe pain all day, continuous pain day and night for days, even months. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, voices directly into the skull and harassing them for years, even decades. And so on.

“Voices” which victims heard:

1）A lot of victims heard that “voices” came from nearby, or from neighbors’ houses. Victims must understand that they did hear the "voices." But the “voices” which victim “heard”, are not the scopes of human hearing the sonic frequency range20-20000HZ. They emitted electromagnetic waves (or other microwave) to stimulate the auditory brain neurons, our brain “feel” their signals, our brain “hear” their “voices”.

2) Many of the victims claimed that they had "hallucinations voices"; sometimes the person next to them did not speak, but victims heard the speaker. Victims have no hallucinations voices. They did hear the "voice." But the “voices” did not come from the next person. The “voices” were from the terrorist, they emitted electromagnetic signals. Victims’ brain neurons were stimulated by the electromagnetic signals, and the "brains" "hear" the "voices."

3) Many of the victims claim that they even have heard the voices sounded like their friends and relatives. The “voices” that our brain heard were “signals” which our brain “heard”. Voice synthesis technology has been developed to the stage that anyone’s voice can be imitated; Use Microwave can easily transmit synthesized voice into human brain. The "voices" can imitate anyone. These “voices” can sound like they come from upstairs neighbor or neighbors; or come from the house where specific.

will finish this later

[bealert]

Er what is the group called ?
MCVictimsEU · Mind Control Victims Europe

If it was a group about "gangstalking" don`t you think it would be called GvictimsEU gangstalking victims Europe???

also it makes it self very clear what the group is about


Were does it mention Multi stalking ?
ok lets leave it there i think i have made my point and i am not going to get the answer from you. no hard feelings deca maybe my way of thinking isn't the way others do things.
i don't think any body as won and i am not running away just i don't want any more confrontation on a subject i cant prove and you cant answer.

can i ask why you think electronic harassment takes place? i spoke to Tyler Eugene nelson who seems to believe its a form of control on those that the justice system isn't able to deal with within the boundaries of the law. if this is correct do you agree with it?

[deca]

ok lets leave it there i think i have made my point and i am not going to get the answer from you. no hard feelings deca maybe my way of thinking isn't the way others do things.
i don't think any body as won and i am not running away just i don't want any more confrontation on a subject i cant prove and you cant answer.

can i ask why you think electronic harassment takes place? i spoke to Tyler Eugene nelson who seems to believe its a form of control on those that the justice system isn't able to deal with within the boundaries of the law. if this is correct do you agree with it?

I don`t really have a lot to do with Tyler Eugene nelson he seems to be all other the place at times making wild claims & statements but that's mind control
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control
Mind control is a broad range of psychological tactics able to subvert an individual's control of his or her own thinking, behavior, emotions, or decisions.

I think they are in most cases picking on people on the edge of society or who would not be believed or have some other more plausible rational explanation than being a unwitting human guinea pigs
I think they did the same under Mk ultra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
Project MK-ULTRA, or MKULTRA, was the code name for a covert CIA mind-control and chemical interrogation research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. The program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used United States citizens as its test subjects.[1][2][3] The published evidence indicates that Project MK-ULTRA involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methods, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.

On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an "extensive testing and experimentation" program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens "at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign." Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to "unwitting subjects in social situations." At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.[7]

To this day most specific information regarding Project MKULTRA remains highly classified information.[citation needed]

so no I don`t think they are "justice system isn't able to deal with within the boundaries of the law" Ti`s seem to be from a cross section of society

I just what to prove it is taking place, we can ask the perpetrators why they did it later


look check http://www.youtube.com/user/marsboy683
videos out He has really researched this and went and talked visited a load of TI`s
He even used some of my ELF detector video in some of his videos
He is a great bloke but going throw a hard time the last time I spoke to him

once you start to look at want TI`s like marsboy have done you a less likely to take much notice of other TI`s who just sit there a ponder Who/why/how all day and come to conclusions and accusations with out doing any real research of find any real proof to back up there claims

[Ian2day]

Maybe we need to stop and think. Perhaps we need to start posting up the towns where this is being carried out.

[deca]

Maybe we need to stop and think. Perhaps we need to start posting up the towns where this is being carried out.

The problem with this is a TI especially a "gangstalked" TI is likely to bring even more hassle on to themself's if they don`t do this correct, Not been funny if they start sticking up posters and dilvering leaflets saying the towns full of gangstalkings and snitches and agents local people are not going to like it, possible the police will receive complaints and the TI will be carted off.
This is what I am tring to get through to "gangstalked" TI`s the people that they belief are "gangstalking" them are probably not aware that they are "gangstalking" them and believe they are doing something else fallowing procedure , going with the crowd , Look at all these Snooper teams getting set up and checking bins etc , if one of them did to a TI they would think he was a prep if you understand , I not saying that there are not these people or that they don`t harass or intimidate the TI but I don`t think they actually consciously gangstalking the TI .

Not sure if you understand

obviously from a TI in shock ,trauma and been told that there are all these stalkers out to harras them its another reinforcement and proof to them that they are .

sometimes there are two sides to a story, the TI sees somebody going throw there bins and believes its prep action , The person doing it think fuck I have check the whole streets rubbish bins, whos this noise person staring at me from the window

I trying to say that's there no "gangstalking" but I think its get overestimated by TI`s in a traumatic situation ....unfortunate gangstalking sites reinforces this a amplifies it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1089212/Council-spends-70-000-SAS-rubbish-inspectors-snoop-peoples-bins.html
Sneaky council inspectors have spent £70,000 of taxpayers’ cash using 'SAS tactics' - to see what rubbish we throw out.

Ten local authority ‘spooks’ were sent into suburbs to sift through the contents of wheelie bins.

Some bins stuffed with rotting food, plastic wrappers and tin cans were taken away for further examination.

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Hi deca have you ever watched the prisoner the cult tv program made in the 60s? and how much in common with gang stalking the program as.