Islam - Problem?

[shottie]

When i was young i used to think that Islam was the 'truest' religion (i was raised as christian). Now i dont think so.....


I dont want to bash any religion or anything like that but i think it is time for some answer or at least to ask questions!


Muslims go to Mecca to worship a meteorite????
According to Islamic tradition, the Stone fell from Heaven to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar and offer a sacrifice to God. The Altar became the first temple on Earth. Muslims believe that the stone was originally pure and dazzling white, but has since turned black because of the sins it has absorbed over the years. Islamic tradition holds that Adam's altar and the stone were lost in the process of Noah's Flood and forgotten. It was Abraham who found the Black Stone at the original site of Adam's altar when the Archangel Gabriel revealed it to him. Abraham ordered his son--and the ancestor of Prophet Muhammad--Ishmael to build a new temple in which to imbed the Stone. This new temple is the Kaaba in Mecca.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-black-stone-close-woman.jpg

Why is this? It seems very errie and Masonic to me!



Queen Elizabeth II Descended from the Prophet Muhammad

'United Press International
October 10, 1986
MOSLEMS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE


Mixed in with Queen Elizabeth's blue blood is the blood of the Moslem prophet Mohammed, according to Burke's Peerage, the geneological guide to royalty. The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke's, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ''The royal family's direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,'' he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ''It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.''

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England's 15th century King Edward IV. '

Informative Link (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:QyF4nB4nbGsJ:www.maldivesroyalfamil y.com/maldives_royal_genealogy.shtml+royal+family+descen dants+prophet+mohamed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk)

By religion Muslims should cannot befriend non Muslims, they can try to convert them but that is it. This is known as 'Kaffir' or non believer.


It is a shame because the majority of Muslims are really nice people. And most are aware of Illuminati, Masons etc. But they usually try to convert you!

[michael christopher]

Islam is just as much of a problem as Christianity and Judaism, if you ask me (the answer being, yes, they are all big problems).

[armoured_amazon]

At the end of the day, people I know of faith, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish, whatever, are more active in doing things for their community and wider than people I know who don't have that faith.

[northern_light]

Organized religion = Problem

Keeping the mind static in an emergent universe.

[michael christopher]

At the end of the day, people I know of faith, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish, whatever, are more active in doing things for their community and wider than people I know who don't have that faith.

The problems are the things that their communities do to the rest of the world. Just because they are active community members does not mean they promote good things in the world, or truth or benevolence.

[armoured_amazon]

The problems are the things that their communities do to the rest of the world. Just because they are active community members does not mean they promote good things in the world, or truth or benevolence.

So what do they promote, then? HOW are you doing better for your community? Or any other person without 'mainstream' faith? You ASSume that they do things solely for their own communities. QUITE THE CONTRARY. And yet I don't know anyone who doesn't practise their faith who does anything for anyone but themselves and their nearest and dearest.

By your way of thinking, everyone should be judged on the propaganda you see and read. Quite ironic, seeing where we are.

Do I go out and murder? Do my family and friends? Their friends' families and friends? You don't know them and yet you judge. I cannot for the life of me recall anyone I know committing these atrocities and I don't think I'm the only one who can say that.

At the end of the day, it's easy to sit there on your little cushion and orate, but it's far more difficult to get off the net and do something useful. And it's really easy to slander people you don't even know.

Peace. Out. :)

[michael christopher]

So what do they promote, then? HOW are you doing better for your community? Or any other person without 'mainstream' faith? You ASSume that they do things solely for their own communities. QUITE THE CONTRARY. And yet I don't know anyone who doesn't practise their faith who does anything for anyone but themselves and their nearest and dearest.

Did you even read what I said before responding in an offended manner? Probably not. But that's okay, let me re-explain it. I'm not assuming anything when I say that 'active community members' of religious faiths go around fucking with things they shouldn't, trying to create laws that are fascistic in nature, and generally putting their noses where they shouldn't be. Did I say they all do this? No. But a lot of them do, and this cannot be denied. Look at the religious lobbies that are constantly trying to ban gay marriage or abortion. So stop so arrogantly saying I am "ASSuming" anything when I am not an idiot. It is quite clear to me and anyone who pays attention that religious lobbies are one of the biggest problems in the country, and these lobbies are made up of various religious "communities" that go around enforcing laws that are authoritarian and ridiculous.

By your way of thinking, everyone should be judged on the propaganda you see and read. Quite ironic, seeing where we are.

I am judging "communities" that go around enforcing archaic laws from the past that infringe on people's freedom and sense of self. If you have a problem with that, I don't give a damn. I am not basing anything on propaganda, I am basing my thoughts on personal experience. Once again, you are the one making the ASSumption. I never said all individuals who participate in religious communities are a problem, I said the religious communities themselves are. Since you can't seem to understand why I might say that, let me explain: these communities are a problem because they promote values that are inherently negative and stupid. Such as the idea that homosexuality is immoral, or that women should be treated as possessions, or that God should be feared, or that we should adhere to rules that are never properly explained to us and which we wouldn't agree with if they were. These are the problems of the world, they are caused by religion, hence my comment. You don't have to respect my opinion, but don't go around calling me an ass when you are the one making all of the stupid assumptions and creating straw-man arguments that have nothing to do with what I'm saying whatsoever.

You are the one making the assumption here.

Haha.

Do I go out and murder? Do my family and friends? Their friends' families and friends? You don't know them and yet you judge. I cannot for the life of me recall anyone I know committing these atrocities and I don't think I'm the only one who can say that.

Murder? What are you talking about? Did I say anything like this? People like you always make the most ridiculous assumptions about what the person you are (ignorantly) attacking is trying to say. Straw-man argument. No surprise.

At the end of the day, it's easy to sit there on your little cushion and orate, but it's far more difficult to get off the net and do something useful. And it's really easy to slander people you don't even know.

How do you know what I do? You have no idea about me whatsoever, another ASSumption. You would tell me I have no right to say my opinion because "it's too easy to sit around and orate" - then you go on to assume I don't do anything useful with my life. Also, the way I'm slandering people is no different than the way religious people slander non-religious people, so what is the damn problem?

Peace. Out. :)

Yeah, right.

[michael christopher]

I should mention in response to the OP, I have been reading the Qu-ran lately. It started when I was reading the Bible from my new perspective, and I decided to get a copy of it and compare... well, I'm not anywhere near as far into the Qu'ran as the Bible, but it's really not as impressive. It's proclamation after proclamation that the Allah is the one true God and that the Jews and the Christians have gone astray. When it's not this, it's just reinforcement of levitical Jewish law from the Old Testament. I just thought I would throw this in. In reality I think both Moses and Mohammed were cut from the same cloth... and not in a good way.

[thirdwave]

this thing that gets me is its quite obvious that there is good and bad in everything as it depends of the nature of the people doing it...

But people think because it is proven that religious people do good things that religion is not a problem...

and they are so busy defending their dogma and need of organised thinking in order to feel decent that they are happy to wave away blatant flaws in what the religion has created...

to the point they will ignore there own texts and practices..

they are very quick to point out the down falls of the occult or what not, because they see that as all evil because they cant get their heads around it, yet become baffled when people do it to their dogma which they cast over everyone..

as for religious people doing more than others, that's %100 bullshit and just self praise... there are many people and groups that work for charity and stuff that are not inspired by a religion.... I have done several gigs for charity none of which were organised by religion.... I have done a little tour of Europe that was on drug awareness (years ago) which had nothing to do with religion... the fact is that any group... be it a bikers club... religious group... or what ever else always do things for charity as its a thing that is always encouraged as some of the stuff they do...

I would say the amount of money religion has absorbed its only right that some groups are bucking the trend.

AA, do you agree that there is much corruption in religion?... if so why do you have a problem with people bringing it up?

[lostwonderer]

When i was young i used to think that Islam was the 'truest' religion (i was raised as christian). Now i dont think so.....


I dont want to bash any religion or anything like that but i think it is time for some answer or at least to ask questions!


Muslims go to Mecca to worship a meteorite????

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-black-stone-close-woman.jpg

Why is this? It seems very errie and Masonic to me!



Queen Elizabeth II Descended from the Prophet Muhammad



Informative Link (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:QyF4nB4nbGsJ:www.maldivesroyalfamil y.com/maldives_royal_genealogy.shtml+royal+family+descen dants+prophet+mohamed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk)

By religion Muslims should cannot befriend non Muslims, they can try to convert them but that is it. This is known as 'Kaffir' or non believer.


It is a shame because the majority of Muslims are really nice people. And most are aware of Illuminati, Masons etc. But they usually try to convert you!

I've read about the meteorite theory in correspondence to the black stone, which all in all is pretty interesting. However, some more fascinating aspects which i came across included the view that there were strong vedic links relating to mecca.

[nofuture]

I'm sure Islam is as nutty as any other religion but it is at least pretty hostile to the NWO which is why I'm sceptical of the motivation behind of any criticism of it.

[mephibosheth]

I'm sure Islam is as nutty as any other religion but it is at least pretty hostile to the NWO which is why I'm sceptical of the motivation behind of any criticism of it.

Well, they had to create someone to oppose it, otherwise how would they set up a 'final conflict'? It would be rather difficult if the whole world was totally onboard. Conflict creates money, transfers power, redistributes wealth, not to mention blood sacrifices to Baphonet!! :eek:

However, I think that people criticise Islam because they don't want to live in an Islamic state by Islamic rules. These rules, when promoted to the level of politics, are seen as oppressive, restrictive. Libertarians, people who value their personal individual freedom, do not want to be forced to obey a system that they have no personal investment in. Hence, we at least have the illusion that we have choice in our system, that we can participate and make things happen, so we at least feel free enough to dissent, to be different, unique--to participate or say 'fuck the system'. When we look at Islam we see a big monstorous socio-political-religious mass that governs every aspect of life and provides no choice for those who don't share the same worldview.

We've spent the last century tearing down barriers and walls, trying to liberate our liberation. But Islam comes in and says that it is good and desirable for humans to ERECT barriers and walls. The direction of freedom in the west is totally opposite to the direction of adherence to law in Islam. In spirit anyway. In practice, nowadays, we are becoming increasingly hemmed in by restrictive laws as our governments move towards totalitarianism. But we still hold on to the dream of liberty, where religion does not run our lives, and we are not subject to religious law or punishment.

We want a secular state based on equality and liberty, not a state based on segregation and restriction. We want a complete and total separation of church and state, not the revival of church-run governments. For us, religion had its day to rule, and now its time to put it back in its place--in the hearts of humankind, not in their government offices.

Of course, for those in Islam, we often see quite the reverse opinion. They say that Islam IS liberating, and maintain that the system itself is the perfection of human social life, precisely BECAUSE it governs all aspects of life. Islam is seen as superior in this sense, compared to, eg, Christianity, which only gives a vague moral teaching but no political guidance.

So yeah, we might shake hands and team up with Islam to defeat the NWO, but then what? After they're gone, we will still be at odds with Islam. What then?

8)

[picha]

I'm sure Islam is as nutty as any other religion but it is at least pretty hostile to the NWO which is why I'm sceptical of the motivation behind of any criticism of it.

You are correct islam is hostile to the NWO, but thats only because they have their own one world government agenda. The ultimate aim of islam is to make the whole world islamic and have it ruled by sharia law.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-photos-islam-today.htm

Beginners Photo gallery and dictionary of the Islam

[nofuture]

You are correct islam is hostile to the NWO, but thats only because they have their own one world government agenda. The ultimate aim of islam is to make the whole world islamic and have it ruled by sharia law.

So it's NWO Sharia or National Socialism. Great.

[scooby85]

So yeah, we might shake hands and team up with Islam to defeat the NWO, but then what? After they're gone, we will still be at odds with Islam. What then?

8)

in islam we believe that the nwo is the dajjalic system ( system of the antichrist) and it was also been prophesised by muhammad pbuh that the muslims in the middle east (possibly iran) will join forces with a nation of christians from the north (russia?) to defeat the army of zionist allies (israel/us/uk etc) then once the illuminati and its army have been defeated the christians will proclaim victory by the cross, will muslims will do the same by saying islam won it. then they will have a long and bloody battle where the muslims gain victory

[eternal_spirit]

quote scooby85
then once the illuminati and its army have been defeated the christians will proclaim victory by the cross, will muslims will do the same by saying islam won it. then they will have a long and bloody battle where the muslims gain victory

More proof Islam is an evil death cult hell bent on destroying other religions and people. Slipped up there Scoobs didn't you, letting Islam's game plan out the bag (Like me and some others here have been saying for sometime)

And have already proven with the words and texts of your Muslim brothers, yet more confirmation from scoobs.

[scooby85]

More proof Islam is an evil death cult hell bent on destroying other religions and people. Slipped up there Scoobs didn't you, letting Islam's game plan out the bag (Like me and some others here have been saying for sometime)

And have already proven with the words and texts of your Muslim brothers, yet more confirmation from scoobs.

erm no i didnt slip up, its more proof that islam is the truth and in the end the truth will prevail as it always does..

just remember its a battle between satan (illuminati) vs god (muslims - those who submit to god) and the good will prevail

evil death cult? haha so teaching people to not steal, murder innocent, hurt innocent, not commit adultery, not to be immodest/immoral, not use interests, not to worship anyone but god, not to fornicate outside marriage, be kind etc is evil? yeh ok shows how delusional u really are dun it.

[mephibosheth]

...then they will have a long and bloody battle where the muslims gain victory

It figures. :rolleyes:

So suppose the Muslims 'win'. Then what?

[endlessvista]

I have no issue with Islam anymore than I do any other religion. Nearly all the moslem people I have met are really nice and decent folk.

[synergy777]

meteroite whatever it is, i am not bothered.

what i am bothered about is the bloodline angle.


is the royal family, eg the queen connected to muhammed?

again people keep missing the good bits.

if the bloodline angle is true, what does this mean?

does this mean that muhammed was elite, funded by the jesuits via khadija?

this is potential bomb, if this true. i need to know if the bloodline connection is true, if it is, its a total game changer.

[synergy777]

http://www.mylifedump.com/2008/03/04/queen-elizabeth-ii-descended-from-the-prophet-muhammad/

Queen Elizabeth II Descended from the Prophet Muhammad

As odd this may sound, it is the truth. The British Royal family has Arab Muslim descendants (maybe some other ethnic groups too) but what is so interesting is that Queen Elizabeth II is believed to have descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). If she were a Muslim, she would be a Syed (get out!).

Take a look at this (Burke’s Peerage, well known British Royal Family Genealogist):

United Press International
October 10, 1986
MOSLEMS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE

Mixed in with Queen Elizabeth’s blue blood is the blood of the Moslem prophet Mohammed, according to Burke’s Peerage, the genealogical guide to royalty. The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke’s, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ”The royal family’s direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,” he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ”It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.”

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England’s 15th century King Edward IV. ‘


Here it would be important to mention that if looked at, lot of Egyptians, Lebanese and other Arab cultures would find themselves descending from the crusaders. It is all interconnected and it should not be a surprise that Queen Elizabeth II descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H).

Islam spread like a wild fire in its earlier days and kept on growing after the death of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). Muslims started to migrate and discover new land in order to spread the message of Islam. During that gruesome period, some obviously didn’t stick on to Islamic religion as Muslims started marrying into other religions.

It is not surprising to find the name Hussein (Prophet’s grandson Al-Husayn) in Europe and the name Fatima (Prophet’s daughter) in Latin America still being very common amongst Christians and people of other religions. Look at the current Presidential nominee for the U.S Presidency, Barack Hussein Obama. His descendants were Muslims from Africa, obviously he is not a Muslim but the name usually stays.

My wife is still a skeptic of this thought that the Queen Elizabeth II descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) and so are many other Muslims. Well, what can I say, if this were not true, the royal family would be out there debunking the myth but it doesn’t seem to matter to them, at least not yet.

[mephibosheth]

what i am bothered about is the bloodline angle.

again people keep missing the good bits.

if the bloodline angle is true, what does this mean?

does this mean that muhammed was elite, funded by the jesuits via khadija?

this is potential bomb, if this true. i need to know if the bloodline connection is true, if it is, its a total game changer.

It's no coincidence that all these rulers and ruling families are tied together. When do we hear of some great king/teacher/prophet, that he was of common stock, having no known relations to any former king or royal blood?

Unfortunately, evidence and facts about what Mohammed did during his life, especially before his prophethood, are sketchy. It makes grist for the conspiracy mill, such uncertainty. But how could we show any real, factual connection here, even if one did exist?

[scooby85]

It figures. :rolleyes:

So suppose the Muslims 'win'. Then what?

then the day of judgement will follow shortly after..

[scooby85]

http://www.mylifedump.com/2008/03/04/queen-elizabeth-ii-descended-from-the-prophet-muhammad/

Queen Elizabeth II Descended from the Prophet Muhammad

As odd this may sound, it is the truth. The British Royal family has Arab Muslim descendants (maybe some other ethnic groups too) but what is so interesting is that Queen Elizabeth II is believed to have descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). If she were a Muslim, she would be a Syed (get out!).

Take a look at this (Burke’s Peerage, well known British Royal Family Genealogist):

United Press International
October 10, 1986
MOSLEMS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE

Mixed in with Queen Elizabeth’s blue blood is the blood of the Moslem prophet Mohammed, according to Burke’s Peerage, the genealogical guide to royalty. The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke’s, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ”The royal family’s direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,” he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ”It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.”

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England’s 15th century King Edward IV. ‘


Here it would be important to mention that if looked at, lot of Egyptians, Lebanese and other Arab cultures would find themselves descending from the crusaders. It is all interconnected and it should not be a surprise that Queen Elizabeth II descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H).

Islam spread like a wild fire in its earlier days and kept on growing after the death of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). Muslims started to migrate and discover new land in order to spread the message of Islam. During that gruesome period, some obviously didn’t stick on to Islamic religion as Muslims started marrying into other religions.

It is not surprising to find the name Hussein (Prophet’s grandson Al-Husayn) in Europe and the name Fatima (Prophet’s daughter) in Latin America still being very common amongst Christians and people of other religions. Look at the current Presidential nominee for the U.S Presidency, Barack Hussein Obama. His descendants were Muslims from Africa, obviously he is not a Muslim but the name usually stays.

My wife is still a skeptic of this thought that the Queen Elizabeth II descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) and so are many other Muslims. Well, what can I say, if this were not true, the royal family would be out there debunking the myth but it doesn’t seem to matter to them, at least not yet.

again its just theory, i thinks its impossible as then why would prophet muhammad create a religion that has his bloodline as their worst enemy (zionist/illuminati). It jus doesnt make sense as there is a real possiblity that in the future islam will destroy the illuminati.. if anything theyd create a religion that help them, it would make them alot stronger and help their goal of world domination instead of doing the opposite

[islamvslizards]

guys you are almost right when you talk about bloodlines.

- on one side, the 13 bloodlines

- on the other, 1 bloodline, the sayyed bloodline - the prophets own. his descendants are still alive today and are spread out all over the world, they are known as "sayyeds" and each family has been meticulously traced to the prophets ahlebeyt father to father to father all the way back.

when the revolution starts, it will be islam against the illuminati. its the polar opposite of what the illuminati stands for.

the prophet was a rich man guys, its total crap that he was poor. his family were the people who looked after the kaaba before the advent of islam, his father owned a business of caravans of camels that used to trade all over asia (think, ancient freight cargo trucks), he was a business man from a wealthy family. how on earth was he poor/ uneducated?

[scooby85]

guys you are almost right when you talk about bloodlines.

- on one side, the 13 bloodlines

- on the other, 1 bloodline, the sayyed bloodline - the prophets own. his descendants are still alive today and are spread out all over the world, they are known as "sayyeds" and each family has been meticulously traced to the prophets ahlebeyt father to father to father all the way back.

when the revolution starts, it will be islam against the illuminati. its the polar opposite of what the illuminati stands for.

the prophet was a rich man guys, its total crap that he was poor. his family were the people who looked after the kaaba before the advent of islam, his father owned a business of caravans of camels that used to trade all over asia (think, ancient freight cargo trucks), he was a business man from a wealthy family. how on earth was he poor/ uneducated?

the 12 bloodlines of the prophet i think? Imam mahdi is the last in the bloodline and he is yet to arrive, correct me if im wrong

[islamvslizards]

yeah there are 12 bloodlines descending from the prophets own through fatimah and ali and their 12 descendants. each sayed is "linked" to one of the 12 imams, for example "hassani" bloodlines are linked to imam alis son "hassan", "husseini" to hussain, "abdi" to zainal abideen and so on. it works like this

(1) prophet - no sons but 1 daughter
(2) daughter married ali
(3) ali had 2 sons - hassan and hussain
(4) hussain had 1 son, zain al abideen
(5) zain al abideen had 1 son - mohammed baqir (baqri sayyeds)
(6) mohammed baqir had 1 son, jafar as sadiq (jaafari sayyeds)
(7) jafar as sadiq had 1 son, musa qazim (musawi/ kazmi sayyeds)
(8) musa qazim had 1 son, ali raza (rizvi sayyeds)
(9) ali raza had 1 son, taqi (taqvi sayyeds)
(10) taqi had 1 son, naqi (naqvi sayyeds)
(11) naqi had 1 son, hassan askari
(12) hassan askari had 1 son, imam mehdi, the awaited one.


so in total you have

- direct decendant of ali and fatima, rarest of the rare, "fatemid" sayyeds.

followed by....

(1) hassani sayyeds bloodline
(2) hussaini sayyeds bloodline
(3) abdi sayyeds bloodline
(4) baqri sayyeds bloodline
(5) jafari sayyeds bloodline
(6) musawi/ kazmi sayyeds bloodline
(7) rizvi sayyeds bloodline
(8) taqvi sayyeds bloodline
(9) naqvi sayyeds bloodline
(10) askari sayyeds bloodline

however all of these combine to make a single.."sayyed" bloodline.

finally you have:

- the 313 leaders of imam mehdis army, currently spread out all over the world. some know who they are, most dont. they are considered a separate class to sayeds, but are probably going to be the most involved in whats coming. they could be anyone, from anywhere.

imam mehdi (it is believed) was born about 1300 years ago, and is in state known only to allah, along with jesus. both will return when the final battle begins.

sunnis believe he is yet to be born, however someone by the name of imam mehdi was definately born descendant of the prophet (letters he wrote still exist), and he dissapeared as a youth as he told his followers he would do, and as was predicted by the prophet and every imam above him.

[eternal_spirit]

again its just theory, i thinks its impossible as then why would prophet muhammad create a religion that has his bloodline as their worst enemy (zionist/illuminati). It jus doesnt make sense as there is a real possiblity that in the future islam will destroy the illuminati.. if anything theyd create a religion that help them, it would make them alot stronger and help their goal of world domination instead of doing the opposite
Will you listen to these two Islamic plonkers. Oh the final battle Allah will kick but! My ass! you won't!
Not registering the fact about Muslim Zionists are the same race as the Jewish Zionists are you? More proof you're the same - Your Allah is Yahweh (same thing)

Millions of brainwashed fanatical Muslim's who want to convert or destroy others who don't and never will accept or convert to your sick religion or bow down and take it up the ass from Allah aka Yahweh.

[islamvslizards]

Will you listen to these two Islamic plonkers. Oh the final battle Allah will kick but! My ass! you won't!
Not registering the fact about Muslim Zionists are the same race as the Jewish Zionists are you? More proof you're the same - Your Allah is Yahweh (same thing)

Millions of brainwashed fanatical Muslim's who want to convert or destroy others who don't and never will accept or convert to your sick religion or bow down and take it up the ass from Allah aka Yahweh.

whatever our views are, theres no need to insult us man. that aint cool.

and when did i say muslim zionists were ok? havent i made my feelings clear about the wahabbi sect?

[eternal_spirit]

whatever our views are, theres no need to insult us man. that aint cool.

and when did i say muslim zionists were ok? havent i made my feelings clear about the wahabbi sect?

Well I show respect when others show me some. You've been ok so far. But scooby doo and the other one, have been on my case calling me allsorts (they started it I'm just replying with karma)

The Muslim Zionist thing is from one of Scoobys threads.

To me there's very little difference between Judaism and Islam (they are two religions more alike than any others, some Jews and Muslims will admit this)

Also you know like you have Koran - Hadiths.

Jews have Torah - Talmud.

[islamvslizards]

Also you know like you have Koran - Hadiths.

Jews have Torah - Talmud.

er when you say karma all i can think of is the sitcom "my name is earl". what karma got to do with anythin??? lol

interesting you mention this. i believe that the hadiths have been infiltrated by the powers that be, to the point most muslims are too far gone to dare question the fallability of hadiths, even if they are total crap, and i also believe that the talmud has suffered from this.

also, i see a difference between zionists and jews, and wahabbis and muslims.

[shottie]

erm no i didnt slip up, its more proof that islam is the truth and in the end the truth will prevail as it always does..

just remember its a battle between satan (illuminati) vs god (muslims - those who submit to god) and the good will prevail

evil death cult? haha so teaching people to not steal, murder innocent, hurt innocent, not commit adultery, not to be immodest/immoral, not use interests, not to worship anyone but god, not to fornicate outside marriage, be kind etc is evil? yeh ok shows how delusional u really are dun it.

What must muslims do to gays or lesbians? gays and lesbians who have been created by god, supposedly?

Throwing them off the highest mountain, then stoning them to death!





Hardly a civil religion now is it?

[eternal_spirit]

What is Apostacy?

Technically, apostacy means to leave a religion. It means to once have been a member or believer in a faith and then to cease to believe or to convert to another faith or to question an important aspect of ones faith.

What actually happens to Apostates who are caught in Muslim countries?



Iran Ruhollah Rowhani, 52, was executed in 1998 for converting to the Baha'i faith from Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html). The US State Department has called on Iran "to protect (http://www.peacefaq.com/security.html) the lives of 15 other imprisoned Baha'is. Three of them, Ata'ullah Hamid Nasirizadih, Sirus Dhabih- Magadamme and Hidayad Kashifi, have already been sentenced to death. Moderate President Khatami can do little to help as the courts are controlled by religious hardliners.
The Reverend Mehdi Dibaj had converted from Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) to Christianity (http://www.peacefaq.com/christians.html) 45 years ago. On 21/12/93 he was sentenced to death on charges of apostasy. Released on appeal his body was found on 5 July 1994. The Reverend Haik Mehr, Superintendent of the Church of the Assemblies of God, who had campaigned against Dibaj's death sentence was found dead on 20/1/94. On 2 July 1994 the body of the Reverend Tatavous Michaelian, Chairman of the Council of Protestant Ministers in Iran was found with several gun shots to the head.
Egypt (http://www.peacefaq.com/egypt.html) We wish to raise what, at first glance, may appear to be an inconsequential or even humorous matter [at least in Australia where a good proportion of partners are unmarried]. A Cairo (http://www.peacefaq.com/egypt.html) court has ordered the divorce of a couple who wish to stay together. Islamists (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) have claimed that Professor Nasser Hamed Abu Zaid is guilty of heresy in writing that "Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html)'s teachings should evolve with changes in society." However, a Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) woman (http://www.peacefaq.com/women.html) cannot be married to a heretic, a non-Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html). He and his wife (http://www.peacefaq.com/women.html), Ibtihal, also an academic have appealed against the ruling and can remain together for the time being. However if the prosecution stands, they could lose their jobs or even be killed .by fanatics as "adulterers ("living in sin") or as apostates ("deserters of Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html)") [From "Some Islamic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) History]
While there are, as yet, no laws against apostasy from Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), the missionary or the convert may be convicted on other charges, for example "threatening social peace (http://www.peacefaq.com/peace.html) and intercommunal relations". There is, however, a Supreme Court ruling that a Moslem (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) who apostacises is legally dead. He loses all rights and powers. He cannot withdraw funds from his accounts. Any person who kills him does not commit murder from a legal point of view because he is already legally dead. The "dead" person cannot marry or inherit. Nor is it possible for an apostate to have his identity card changed to "Christian (http://www.peacefaq.com/christians.html)". More than one hundred and fifty Muslims (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) who have adopted Christianity (http://www.peacefaq.com/christians.html) have been detained in maximum-security (http://www.peacefaq.com/security.html) prisons. They have been accused of threatening national unity. One example from a Copt (http://www.peacefaq.com/christians.html)ic press release, concerned the case of Dr. Abdul-Rahman who has been held in Cairo (http://www.peacefaq.com/egypt.html) without trial for two years for breaking with Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html). He is in solitary confinement but his will has not been broken. He is undoubtedly being used as a warning to anyone else contemplating apostasy




Sudan Bit by bit the Islamic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) fundamentalists, the Ikhwan, were able to consolidate their power in Khartoum. In September 1983 a version of Shariah, the "September Law" was introduced. Many floggings, amputations and stonings were carried out. Incorporated in the law was ijtihad or "free interpretation". If the qazi was unable to find a relevant (http://www.peacefaq.com/palestine.html) law to convict a defendant he could search the Qur'an (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) and Hadith (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) at his discretion. For example Mahmoud Taha, the 76 year old leader of the Republican Brothers was hanged in January 1985 for apostasy, although it was not a crime at that time.
A number of southerners living in the north had changed their names to Arabic (http://www.peacefaq.com/arabs.html) ones to improve their business prospects. They discovered that they had done a dangerous thing; now they were expected to be practising Muslims (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) and could not use their original names without being subject to the death penalty for apostasy. Similarly at risk were non-Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) families who adopted Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) or an Islamic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) name so that they could qualify for relief supplies during a famine. Also trapped were non-Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) men who had "embraced" Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) so that they could marry Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) women (http://www.peacefaq.com/women.html) or to be able to obtain easy divorces.
15/7/98 Mekki Kuku is held in a Khartoum jail awaiting trial on a charge of apostasy from Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) to Christianity (http://www.peacefaq.com/christians.html). Sudan has the death penalty for "deserting Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html)."
Mauritania "Every Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) guilty of the crime of apostasy, whether by word or action, will be invited to repent over a period of three days. If he does not repent within this time limit, he is to be condemned to death as an apostate and his property will be confiscated by the Treasury
Every Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) who refuses to pray will be invited to fulfill the obligation of prayer in the prescribed time limit. .. If he persists in his refusal he will be punished by the death penalty."
India (http://www.peacefaq.com/india.html) The Muhtasib saw to it that the Muslims (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) did not omit the five daily prayers and the fasts of Ramadan. State musicians and singers were pensioned off. The death penalty for apostasy from Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) was enforced.
Rushdie claimed (1985) to be a non-Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) and so is not bound by Shariah blasphemy (http://www.peacefaq.com/blasphemy.html) laws. If he was born of Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) parents then the Shariah does not allow him to leave Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) even in childhood. The penalty under Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) law for apostasy is death. Did you know that Islamic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html)Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) religious law to rate as equal to existing British law? A British Pakistani (http://www.peacefaq.com/india.html) father murdered his daughter (http://www.peacefaq.com/women.html) for converting to a Jehovah's Witness. He would, of course, have been acquitted, under Shariah which the Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) fundamentalists are trying to bring into England. leaders in Britain want
Chechnya Theologians from Chechnya and Dagestan ordered Muslims (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) to carry out the death sentence against Gov. Aman Tuleyev "at the first possible opportunity". He has been accused of being baptized as an Orthodox Christian (http://www.peacefaq.com/christians.html) on June 25.
The death penalty for apostasy ("deserting Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html)") is not Qur'anic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) but it is Shariah (Islamic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) Law) as Prophet Muhammad (http://www.peacefaq.com/muhammad.html) executed a number of apostates.
Tuleyev denies the report that he had been baptized and says he is not religious. Thus he is still technically an apostate as, being of Kazakh origin, he is "a member of a predominantly Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) ethnic (http://www.peacefaq.com/race.html) group" as the theologians say.
Libya Indeed, the only Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) author to have cast doubts on male circumcision has had legal action brought against him and might be sentenced to death for apostasy. I am speaking of (retired) Judge Mustafa Kamal Al-Mahdawi, a personal friend of mine, who is today under a ferocious attack lead by Libyan religious circles in the mosques as well in the press. The preacher of the Mosque of the Prophet (http://www.peacefaq.com/muhammad.html), in Medina, Saudi Arabia (http://www.peacefaq.com/arabs.html), published in July 1992 a pamphlet handed out free of charge in Libya. In this pamphlet, he asks the Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) Arab (http://www.peacefaq.com/arabs.html) League and the Islamic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) Conference to set up a collective fatwa (http://www.peacefaq.com/jihad.html) of all Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) scholars against this judge and to execute him as an apostate if he does not retract. As for his book, the preacher asks that it be removed from the shelves, burned and forbidden to any reader. He blames the judge for having, among other things, denied that male circumcision is compulsory when there is unanimity in favour of it and when Mohammed (http://www.peacefaq.com/muhammad.html) was Himself circumcised 54.


Why is Apostacy such a terrible crime in Islam?



Apostasy (Irtidad) in Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) ?If a person is raised in a society which protects (http://www.peacefaq.com/security.html) his soul from the impurities of kufr and shirk, or if a person is shown the Right Path accepts it willingly - can such a person reject the Islamic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) faith? Is he allowed to apostate (become murtad)? Can he declare that he does not believe in God, Prophet Muhammad (http://www.peacefaq.com/muhammad.html) and the Day of Judgement?
Once a person enters into the fold of Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), the rules change. As soon as you become a Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) by your own choice, you are expected to submit yourself to Allah (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) totally and completely. "O You who believe! Enter into submission, kaffatan!" (2:208) he surrenders the right of making decisions to Allah (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) and His Messenger. No believing man and no believing woman (http://www.peacefaq.com/women.html) has a choice in their own affairs when Allah (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) and His Messenger have decided on an issue." (33:36)
Now even the question of apostasy, irtidad or deserting of one's faith, for a Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), becomes a shar'i/religious issue - even in this issue he is governed by the laws of Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html). And Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) clearly says: No! You cannot become an apostate.After coming into the fold of Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), rejection of the fundamentals is not tolerated. If there are doubts in your mind about the fundamental beliefs of Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), then discuss, question, debate, study and solve them BUT you are not allowed to leave Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), desert your own fitra!
On the issue of openly rejecting Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) cannot just stand aside and see one of its followers going astray. It would allow discussions to understand and solve the problems, but not allow its followers to lower themselves from the sublime status of "surrendering to the will of Allah (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html)-Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html)" to the status of those "who have hearts but do not understand, ears but do not hear, and eyes but do not see."
Apostasy is Equal to Treason Why does Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) not allow apostasy? Apostasy or irtidad in Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) is equal to treason. ?In Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), the concept of treason is not limited to political and military affairs, it also has a spiritual and cultural dimension to it. In the Islamic (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) order of sacredness, Allah (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) then the Prophet (http://www.peacefaq.com/muhammad.html) and then the Qur'an (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) occupy the highest positions. Tawhid, nubuwwa, and qiyama form the constitution (http://www.peacefaq.com/democracy.html) of Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html). Just as upholding and protecting (http://www.peacefaq.com/security.html) the constitution (http://www.peacefaq.com/democracy.html) of a country is a sign of patriotism, and undermining it is a form of treason - in the same way open rejection of the fundamental beliefs of Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) by a Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) is an act of treason. Apostasy i.e. the public declaration of rejecting the fundamentals of Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html), has also negative influence on the Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) society, it is indeed a major fitna.
And that is why Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) has prescribed harsh punishment for irtidad. It must be emphasized that irtidad which we are dicussing here involves open rejection without any force and with the realization of what one's statements or actions imply. The punishment prescibed by the shari'a for apostasy is death.
Even the terms used by the shari'a for apostates give the idea of treason to this whole phenomenon. "Murtad" means apostate. Murtad can be of two types: fitri and milli. (1) Murtad Fitri means a person born of a Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) parent and then he rejects Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html). Fitri means nature (http://www.peacefaq.com/frogtale.html) or natural. The term "murtad fitri" implies that the person has apostacized from his nature (http://www.peacefaq.com/frogtale.html), the nature (http://www.peacefaq.com/frogtale.html) of believing in God. (2) "Murtad Milli" means a person who converted to Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) and then later on he rejects Islam (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html). Milli is from millat which means a community. The term "murtad milli" implies that the person that the person has apostacized from his community.
In the first case, the apostasy is like treason against God, whereas in the second case, the apostasy is like treason against the Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) community. Probably, that is why there is also a difference in dealing with these two kinds of murtad.
A former kafir who becomes a Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) and then apostates (Murtad Milli) is given a second chance; if he repents then he is not to be killed.
But one who is born as a Muslim (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) and then apostates (Murtad Fitri) he is to be killed even if he repents. His repentance might be accepted by Allah (http://www.peacefaq.com/islam.html) but he still has to go through the punishment prescibed for his treason in this world.
This punishment is only applicable in case of apostasy by men; in case of women (http://www.peacefaq.com/women.html) the punishment is not death but life imprisonment. And if such a woman (http://www.peacefaq.com/women.html) repents, then her repentance is accepted and the punishment is suspended.
(Excerpts from "Left Shoe News (http://www.hraic.org.uk/)")

http://www.peacefaq.com/apostacy.html

[islamvslizards]

What must muslims do to gays or lesbians? gays and lesbians who have been created by god, supposedly?

Throwing them off the highest mountain, then stoning them to death!


depends what you mean by "gay" and "lesbian". there is a difference between genuine hermaphrodite transexuals, and people who are born straight but who choose to be homosexual for social reasons. the former are committing no sin whatsoever. the latter are.

secondly the punishment for homosexuality cannot be carried out by just anyone. only the ahlebeyt have this right. it doesnt matter one bit if the muslim world is doing it left right and centre, that doesnt make it right, nor change the rules.

see the points ive made time and again that islam has been infiltrated, regardless of sect.



Hardly a civil religion now is it?

it is a very civil and forward thinking religion. what people have done to it after abandonning the ahlebeyt is not the fault of the religion.

[islamvslizards]

Eternal spirit i have answered this numerous times already. you add nothing by posting that.

[eternal_spirit]

Eternal spirit i have answered this numerous times already. you add nothing by posting that.

Where? not seen you anwser anything about it.

You're denying reality again shame on you. You cannot refute the article because you know it's true.

A billion and a half Muslims, and how many millions believe the Western World is evil how many million will it take to form an army that want's Jihad on the none Muslims.

[islamvslizards]

Where? not seen you anwser anything about it.


dude check out my questions thread, apostacy was amongst the first questions i was asked and i spent a good few posts answering it.

it boils down to - death for apostates is only prescribed for people who leave islam and then join the enemy army and attack muslims, and secondly only the prophet himself or one of the ahlebeyt are allowed to do it anyway, so muslims arent allowed to inflict capital punishments on anyone anyway, since they dont have that right.


You're denying reality again shame on you. You cannot refute the article because you know it's true.


i am not denying anything, islam has been infiltrated, the majority of muslims dont even know the basic tenets of their religion, wahabbis are everywhere and misinfo is rife. jus because muslims are doing it, doesnt make it right.


A billion and a half Muslims, and how many millions believe the Western World is evil how many million will it take to form an army that want's Jihad on the none Muslims.

is it really a billion and a half? :eek: how do people count them?? where do they all live??

and muslims have plenty of reasons to not like the west, you should know that just as well as me, considering how long you have been a fan of david icke. how they act upon their hatred is not the fault of islam.

[tjohn]

At the end of the day, people I know of faith, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish, whatever, are more active in doing things for their community and wider than people I know who don't have that faith.Please don't take this as an attack on your beliefs and excuse me for asking but how many non-religious people do you know compared to religious people?

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
'United Press International
October 10, 1986
MOSLEMS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE


Mixed in with Queen Elizabeth's blue blood is the blood of the Moslem prophet Mohammed, according to Burke's Peerage, the geneological guide to royalty. The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke's, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ''The royal family's direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,'' he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ''It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.''

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England's 15th century King Edward IV. '
Informative Link (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:QyF4nB4nbGsJ:www.maldivesroyalfamil y.com/maldives_royal_genealogy.shtml+royal+family+descen dants+prophet+mohamed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk)


Could explain why Princess Diana was going to marry Dodi, keep the Mohammed bloodlines interbreeding programme going. There's rumors she was pregnant when she died. Also said that Rotshchild bloodlines are in the British royals.

So all this infighting with religions is a farce if they're all related.

[eternal_spirit]

and muslims have plenty of reasons to not like the west, you should know that just as well as me, considering how long you have been a fan of david icke. how they act upon their hatred is not the fault of islam.So why do you Muslims wanna live in Western countries if so many of you hate us and our culture? To spread Islam?
Oh never the fault of Islam ffs:rolleyes:

Some of what he writes is about Islam and other religions have nothing to do with God. You make me laugh you believe all the other religions are false and come from Paganism, but your precious Islam doesn't and is the true word of God.


White man devils and all that crap, come one give me a break.

[islamvslizards]

for some reason its not letting me click on the link eternal_spirit. if you can show me a family tree which shows any of this, i would be very grateful to you. it would allow me to explain using the tree why the royal family are not sayyed :)

[islamvslizards]

So why do you Muslims wanna live in Western countries if so many of you hate us and our culture? To spread Islam?
Oh never the fault of Islam ffs:rolleyes:


by your tone you say "you" muslims, as in all muslims. when has anyone ever said that all muslims hate the west? you cannot distinguish between wahabbis and regular muslims now?


Some of what he writes is about Islam and other religions have nothing to do with God. You make me laugh you believe all the other religions are false and come from Paganism, but your precious Islam doesn't and is the true word of God.


White man devils and all that crap, come one give me a break.

i do not believe all other religions are false, nor do i believe that they come from paganism. nor have i ever even hinted that. ive always said if your intentions are right then you have nothing to fear.

[zarah]

er when you say karma all i can think of is the sitcom "my name is earl". what karma got to do with anythin??? lol

interesting you mention this. i believe that the hadiths have been infiltrated by the powers that be, to the point most muslims are too far gone to dare question the fallability of hadiths, even if they are total crap, and i also believe that the talmud has suffered from this.

also, i see a difference between zionists and jews, and wahabbis and muslims.

You're very clever.

[eternal_spirit]

by your tone you say "you" muslims, as in all muslims. when has anyone ever said that all muslims hate the west? you cannot distinguish between wahabbis and regular muslims now?



i do not believe all other religions are false, nor do i believe that they come from paganism. nor have i ever even hinted that. ive always said if your intentions are right then you have nothing to fear.


Try this link

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:QyF4nB4nbGsJ:www.maldivesroyalfamil y.com/maldives_royal_genealogy.shtml+royal+family+descen dants+prophet+mohamed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk

Well that's the impression I get usually when reading what Muslims say about other religions.

[islamvslizards]

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[shottie]

No but the point is, none of the (big) religions that exist today are genuine, neither are the culture's.

Religion was the ancient method of control, which was so effective it is stil used today along with law, science, media and all of the other methods of control.

[bendoon]

teaching people to not steal, murder innocent, hurt innocent, not commit adultery, not to be immodest/immoral, not use interests, not to worship anyone but god, not to fornicate outside marriage, be kind etc is evil? yeh ok shows how delusional u really are dun it.

The local Muslim taxi drivers used to come in my local Pub at quiet times, they all drunk alcohol and then drove the taxi, did drugs, brought prostitutes into the pub with them (the married ones too). Maybe the ones I saw were not your typical Muslims but the impression I get is most of them are like that, in my area at least.

[metacomet]

So why do you Muslims wanna live in Western countries if so many of you hate us and our culture? To spread Islam?
Oh never the fault of Islam ffs:rolleyes:

Some of what he writes is about Islam and other religions have nothing to do with God. You make me laugh you believe all the other religions are false and come from Paganism, but your precious Islam doesn't and is the true word of God.


White man devils and all that crap, come one give me a break.

'You muslims'.... rofl. Careful.

Who in their right mind wouldn't despise western society?

Americans call themselves fat, stupid, oversexed, etc. etc.

But when a Muslim says "western society has become fat, stupid, oversexed" -

everyone throws a tantrum?

The truth hurts.

[bendoon]

But when a Muslim says "western society has become fat, stupid, oversexed" -

.

"But lets go live there, they will give us free house and social security"

[metacomet]

"But lets go live there, they will give us free house and social security"

You live up to your reputation :rolleyes:

[bendoon]

You live up to your reputation :rolleyes:


Truth is truth, there are hundreds of thousands of em in the uk, costing billions in housing, education, healthcare, no wonder we are going bust.

[eternal_spirit]

i get this message:



:confused::confused::confused:

That's strange the links just worked.
It's the same link Shottie posted in the OP.

Can copy and paste the article for you If you like?
or you can google Mohammed and the British royals related or something:)

If it's true then Mohammed must condone British Western society well at least you Muslims should recognise the British Monarchy as divine or something.
Yes that could be it deffo not the weather that brings the Muslims here :D

[zarah]

Truth is truth, there are hundreds of thousands of em in the uk, costing billions in housing, education, healthcare, no wonder we are going bust.

Muslims make up something like 3% of the population and create, I think, 5% of the wealth, clever arse.

[bendoon]

Muslims make up something like 3% of the population and create, I think, 5% of the wealth, clever arse.

Yeah right, if you believe that you believe anything. They must take at least 20% of the social security budget and the education budget.

Abu Hamza alone has cost well over 1 million.

Look at this one here, women and 7 kids given £1 million mansion at taxpayers expense, I have to buy my own and pay for her aswell and the education of her kids, and there are thousands of more cases like this.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article43731.ece

[zarah]

Yeah right, if you believe that you believe anything. They must take at least 20% of the social security budget and the education budget.

Abu Hamza alone has cost well over 1 million.

I'll get you a source for my assertion, and in turn Ill wait for you to post a source for yours.

[dsone]

Will you listen to these two Islamic plonkers. Oh the final battle Allah will kick but! My ass! you won't!
Not registering the fact about Muslim Zionists are the same race as the Jewish Zionists are you? More proof you're the same - Your Allah is Yahweh (same thing)

Millions of brainwashed fanatical Muslim's who want to convert or destroy others who don't and never will accept or convert to your sick religion or bow down and take it up the ass from Allah aka Yahweh.

ha ha, yea religion is gibberish.....:D
to each his own
I miss this guy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

'America prays for God to destroy our enemies; our enemies pray for God to destroy us... Somebody's going to be disappointed. Somebody's wasting their f***ing time. Could it be... everyone?'
-George Carlin

[metacomet]

Truth is truth, there are hundreds of thousands of em in the uk, costing billions in housing, education, healthcare, no wonder we are going bust.

I don't care?

You're talking about Muslims like the confederate hillbillies talk about Blacks in America.

"They're takin up all our tax moneys. They're all over the place!!! They're getting it easy off the GUV-ERN-MENT!" :rolleyes:

There are more unemployed white, secular slobs wasting money in the world than blacks or muslims combined. Keep flapping your gums.

[zarah]

I'll get you a source for my assertion, and in turn Ill wait for you to post a source for yours.

I watched a programme on Press Tv in which the guy quotes the statistics I posted above. I can't find a particular source for that assertion, but I found this:


"Britain may have well over 5000 Muslim millionaires with liquid assets of more than £3.6bn. Their wealth will make them among the most sought after customers by Britain's financial services sector…the market for Islamic [sharia-compliant] finance in the UK is set to grow hugely."

"One in ten of London's 250,000 businesses are Asian owned. Pakistanis and Bangladeshis own 2,450 businesses."

"Data from 435 Asian households and interviews found that there is no evidence that Asians are forming ghettos in Northern cities as a matter of choice.
" Our findings show the affect of estate agents treating Asians unfairly, and worries on the part of the Asian population about isolation if they move, reinforced by fears of trouble. One in six of survey respondents said they had experienced harrassment intheir neighbourhood, even though they had opted to live in areas they saw as safe."

"77 per cent of Pakistani households are composed of owner-occupiers. They are overwhelmingly concentrated in terraced housing. About 45% of Bangladeshis are owner-occupier. Another report by Peach states that 43% of Bangladeshis live in council or housing association properties - 50% higher than the national average."

"77 per cent of Pakistani households are composed of owner-occupiers. They are overwhelmingly concentrated in terraced housing. About 45% of Bangladeshis are owner-occupier. Another report by Peach states that 43% of Bangladeshis live in council or housing association properties - 50% higher than the national average."

http://www.mcb.org.uk/library/statistics.php

Just some of the more positive aspects of the study. Of course, there are negative statements, which Im sure you will be happy to post. But I would suggest even those give no validation to your allegation.

[eternal_spirit]

Mohammed and the British royals related or something:)

If it's true then Mohammed must condone British Western society well at least you Muslims should recognise the British Monarchy as divine or something.

Divine right to rule blood line descended Monarchies/leaders.

Countries where there are Muslim leaders/Elite they also claim to be descended from the Prophet Muhammed? And they always have Muhammed as their names.

Edit if the Rosthchild Jews are also related to many world leaders including American and British monarchy then Mohammed and Muslims leaders may also be related to them.

The main difference I see between Islamic societies and Western ones is that Islam is stuck in the past like by hundreds of years.

[eternal_spirit]

Muslims where are you? What do you think?

[shottie]

Muslims where are you? What do you think?

Calm down eternal_spirit, i hear ya.

If the information is true, then this would be such a 'blow' to islam as a nation/religion. Through out history most of the famous names (that we are indoctrinated to know) were infact members of the elite. They must get sick pleasure out being worshipped:confused:.

So why should the profit Mohhammed be any different..

TPTB have had their dirty fingers in everybody's pie.
They will not allow a person to be remembered unless it serves a purpose for them.
e.g. Guy Fawks




It is hard for me to try and be ethical in this society, it must be even harder for muslims to live in western societies.

I was told that a muslim girl living in the UK, met an english boy and had relations with him. The girls father found out and sent her to their home country then she was killed! Whether this is true or not i dont know!

[bendoon]

I don't care? .

Obviously you don't care, about anyone but yourself apparently.

Here are about 35 cases (in total) of white girls between 11 and 16 being raped by Asian men in Britain, and thats only this week, well the last 3 days to be precise.

If one of these was your daughter you might just start to care, till then it seems its just "I'm allright Jack"


http://www.shropshirestar.com/2009/02/25/brothers-accused-of-child-sex-abuse/

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...assault-charge (http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/21112/man-19-on-sex-assault-charge)(12 year old girls)

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....ssault_on_teen (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1100988_jailed_over_sex_assault_on_teen)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/7929159.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7929159.stm)

http://www.tamesideadvertiser.co.uk/...ers_rape_shame (http://www.tamesideadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/1100391_exyouth_workers_rape_shame) (11 year old girl)

[metacomet]

Here are about 35 cases (in total) of white girls between 11 and 16 being raped by Asian men in Britain, and thats only this week, well the last 3 days to be precise.


Again: I don't care.

Good on you for boiling everything down to race though ;) Real difficult, that must be.

[bendoon]

Again: I don't care.

Good on you for boiling everything down to race though ;) Real difficult, that must be.

No thats what I said, as long as its someone elses daughter thats being raped or murdered you don't care, at least you admit it.

[zarah]

Obviously you don't care, about anyone but yourself apparently.

Here are about 35 cases (in total) of white girls between 11 and 16 being raped by Asian men in Britain, and thats only this week, well the last 3 days to be precise.

If one of these was your daughter you might just start to care, till then it seems its just "I'm allright Jack"


http://www.shropshirestar.com/2009/02/25/brothers-accused-of-child-sex-abuse/

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...assault-charge (http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/21112/man-19-on-sex-assault-charge)(12 year old girls)

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....ssault_on_teen (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1100988_jailed_over_sex_assault_on_teen)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/7929159.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7929159.stm)

http://www.tamesideadvertiser.co.uk/...ers_rape_shame (http://www.tamesideadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/1100391_exyouth_workers_rape_shame) (11 year old girl)


I've read the reports and not one states that they are Muslim or that Islam was the reason which compelled them to commit the crime(s). You've just pasted some newspaper reports which are about men with Muslim sounding names and think that presenting these as evidence for your prejudicial assertions is sufficient.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita

Have a gander at this website and note that Islamic states are towards the bottom of this list, while western states hover at the top. This perhaps gives an indication that, rather than violent crime being a 'Muslim problem,' is is rather a western problem.

It then could be argued that those men who may or may not be of Muslim origin have been corrupted by a violent western society, in which a myriad of external sociological factors have influenced criminals irrespective of race or faith.

[zarah]

No thats what I said, as long as its someone elses daughter thats being raped or murdered you don't care, at least you admit it.

By your impassioned argument then, you would be equally angered by those countless thousands of women (myself included) who were attacked by white men of western origin, no?

[zarah]

Muslims where are you? What do you think?

About what?

The link, which is severely tenuous at best, between the Prophet and the royal family? I suspect that those silly infiltrators have been up to their usual tricks, just waiting for people to attach themselves to their theories turning them into 'fact' along the way.

[shottie]

About what?

The link, which is severely tenuous at best, between the Prophet and the royal family? I suspect that those silly infiltrators have been up to their usual tricks, just waiting for people to attach themselves to their theories turning them into 'fact' along the way.

So if it is true then how would you feel knowing that your whole (or at least part of your) religion is a lie!

[eternal_spirit]

So if it is true then how would you feel knowing that your whole (or at least part of your) religion is a lie!

They won't even consider it's a possibility (if it's true they cannot blame the west like they do blame us for all the problems Islam causes itself, they need a scapegoat "a satan" and its us Brits and Americans, they even claim that the Saudi Elite is a British intelligence op which is insanely dumb and totally false) If Mohammed is related to British Monarchy then they would be considered divine/holy.

Also Judaism Islam came from the same seed Abraham. So their wars are based on fallacy, seeing as though they have the same roots and many are of the same races including Semites.

I think I read Yahweh is the same as Allah, Elohim is plural for Gods, Eloha is singular for a God - Eloah = Allah.

The Kabba is related to the Kabbalah which is based on sacred numbers, measurements, geometry same as Solomon's Temple and dome of the rock is connected and so are the Egyptian pyramids, which is possibly the source for their religions.
The Egyptian Horus Set Osiris
Isis (obelisk "penis") story is related to their covenant with their God through circumcision (Mohammed is said to have been born circumcised:rolleyes:) and Abraham for the Jews, who was an Arab.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-black-stone-close-woman.jpg
Isis/Osiris maybe seen as the vagina with the meteorite symbolic of the Elohim coming to earth (God/Lucifer) fallen angel? maybe all seeing eye!
The Kabba is symbolic of the Masons perfect ashlar/squared the polished perfected building block symbolic/allegory of the Illuminated man.

The Talmud and Kabbalah came out of Egypt that's when Judaism began, Talmudic laws (partly based on Rabbis interpretations of OT Bible) Same as the hadiths of Islam
are based on the Koran.

[zarah]

So if it is true then how would you feel knowing that your whole (or at least part of your) religion is a lie!

And where have I said I'm Muslim? You shouldn't presume.

Your premise is pointless simply because it's a 'what if' hypothesis, and based on nothing substantive.

[lightgiver]

Islam is just as much of a problem as Christianity and Judaism, if you ask me (the answer being, yes, they are all big problems).

Nonsense,

the people practising them are the problem,because they listen to the idiotic leaders who tell them to kill and maim and people follow blindly without question,this is Satans plan for a one world satanic religion and one world government,how the heck can you blame a label for the worlds ills??

Religion practised correctly is a good path,the trouble is its the people who follow them that's the problem,because they practise incorrectly.

You need to read up on albert pike and co.

[shottie]

And where have I said I'm Muslim? You shouldn't presume.

Your premise is pointless simply because it's a 'what if' hypothesis, and based on nothing substantive.

Forgive me, i didn't mean any offence!

If i were muslim, i wouldnt dismiss this information. I would wish to seek the real truth wherever it led. I was raised a christian, always believing in the lie thinking it were all true. Now im not sure what to believe..


If you dont mind me asking, what faith are you?

[zarah]

Forgive me, i didn't mean any offence!

If i were muslim, i wouldnt dismiss this information. I would wish to seek the real truth wherever it led. I was raised a christian, always believing in the lie thinking it were all true. Now im not sure what to believe..


If you dont mind me asking, what faith are you?

I don't believe in the concept of organised religion. Islam, just as the other main faiths has been infiltrated by tptb with the aim of alteriing it and changing its message in order to use it as a method of control. I believe this Muhammed being related to the royal family is just another illustration of this.

I was raised as a Christian too, and I had that moment when I was like..okay this doesnt make much sense. For me it was when I found out the Catholic Church was one of the richest organisations in the world.

[saaduh64]

hey guys, can ANYONE here do me a favor?

please tell me what exactly is wrong with ISLAM
and please note there is a helluva lot of difference between islam and muslim

[freeminds]

hey guys, can ANYONE here do me a favor?

please tell me what exactly is wrong with ISLAM
and please note there is a helluva lot of difference between islam and muslim

Religion... the most sensitive subject to talk about, also a very important subject to talk about. Our society has almost made it taboo with it's "politically correct" notion, we are told not to talk about 2 explosive entities, religion and politics.
talk leads to advance, peace and understanding.. all of which is very much so needed in religion and politics.

when 9/11 happened i wanted to learn if i was Muslim, it's like the issue became a lot more critical.. i grew up in a sunni home however did not know much about Islam, when the media bombarded Islam i had to learn for myself...
True Islam is Quran Only.. hadiths divide and weaken Islam.

42:13 He has decreed for you the same system He ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: “You shall uphold this system, and do not divide in it.” Intolerable for those who have set up partners is what you invite them towards. God chooses for Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.

the Quran is the last of the reminders, it is protected.

[15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.

[56:77-80] This is an honorable Quran (recital). In a protected book. None can grasp it except the sincere. A revelation from the Lord of the universe.

The ill nature of man and the jinn who persuade them have corrupted the reminders from before, such as the Torah and the Bible. The hadiths were written and compiled by men couple of centuries after Muhammed, the hadiths style and compilation is similar to that of the Gospels as they were chosen book by book as to which were authentic and which were not. A lot of Jewish and pagan traditions made there way into both the Bible and the hadiths. Traditions differentiate the tribes, they make the members feel unique as it pays into there nations culture, traditions can be barbaric and outdated thus subject to change, most traditions honor the ancestors not God.
We need to ask ourselves, what kind of submission (Islam) is this when you are rejecting God's words to follow your traditions.

25:30 And the messenger says,"O my Lord, my OWN people have forsaken the Koran."

these traditions have caused the Arabs to abandon the Quran.

42:14 And they only divided after the knowledge had come to them, due to resentment among themselves. And had it not been for a predetermined decision from your Lord, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, those who inherited the Scripture after them are full of doubts.

Truth does not change, nor does God's system for man. God does not need us, however we are in need of Gods system as it is this system that guides humanity towards the straight path.

"Abraham was a nation, humble to GOD, a monotheist; he was not of those who set-up partners. Thankful to what provisions he was provided; He selected him, and guided him to a Straight Path. And We have given him good in this world, and in the hereafter he is one of the upright. Then We inspired you: 'follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism; he was not from those who set-up partners." (16:120-123)

Monotheism (the path of the One GOD) is directly related to the 'Straight Path':

"Say: 'my Lord has guided me to a Straight Path, an upright religion, the creed of Abraham, monotheism; he was not from those who set-up partners'. " (6:161)

Here now is the LAW which all Submitters are to uphold and honor:

"Say: 'come let me recite to you what your Lord Has forbade for you:
that you should not set-up anything with Him.
And be kind to your parents;
and do not kill your unborn children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them;
and do not come near evil, what is openly of it, or secretly;
and do not kill the soul which GOD Has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend'.
'And do not come near the money of the orphan, except for what is best, until he reached his maturity;
and give honestly full measure and weight equitably. We do not burden a soul except by what it can bear.
And if you speak then be just even if against a relative;
and with pledges made to GOD you shall observe. This He Has enjoined you that you may remember'.
And this is *My path, a Straight One, so you shall follow it, and do not follow the other paths lest they divert you from His path. That is what He has enjoined you to that you may be righteous." (6:151-153)


True Islam is a lot more simple then what the sunni and shia traditionalists will tell you.
True Islam is recognizing your Creator is One, and following "His path".


Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, EXPLAINED IN DETAIL." (Quran : 6.114)


I'll end with chapter 2 verse 62.

2:62 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whomever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good work; they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.


May peace be upon you all, and if anyone has questions regarding Islam seek for your own answers not the answers of other men.


here's a great website for Quran Alone;

http://www.free-minds.org/

[shottie]

http://www.mylifedump.com/2008/03/04/queen-elizabeth-ii-descended-from-the-prophet-muhammad/

Queen Elizabeth II Descended from the Prophet Muhammad

As odd this may sound, it is the truth. The British Royal family has Arab Muslim descendants (maybe some other ethnic groups too) but what is so interesting is that Queen Elizabeth II is believed to have descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). If she were a Muslim, she would be a Syed (get out!).

Take a look at this (Burke’s Peerage, well known British Royal Family Genealogist):

United Press International
October 10, 1986
MOSLEMS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE

Mixed in with Queen Elizabeth’s blue blood is the blood of the Moslem prophet Mohammed, according to Burke’s Peerage, the genealogical guide to royalty. The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke’s, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ”The royal family’s direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,” he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ”It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.”

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England’s 15th century King Edward IV. ‘


Here it would be important to mention that if looked at, lot of Egyptians, Lebanese and other Arab cultures would find themselves descending from the crusaders. It is all interconnected and it should not be a surprise that Queen Elizabeth II descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H).

Islam spread like a wild fire in its earlier days and kept on growing after the death of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H). Muslims started to migrate and discover new land in order to spread the message of Islam. During that gruesome period, some obviously didn’t stick on to Islamic religion as Muslims started marrying into other religions.

It is not surprising to find the name Hussein (Prophet’s grandson Al-Husayn) in Europe and the name Fatima (Prophet’s daughter) in Latin America still being very common amongst Christians and people of other religions. Look at the current Presidential nominee for the U.S Presidency, Barack Hussein Obama. His descendants were Muslims from Africa, obviously he is not a Muslim but the name usually stays.

My wife is still a skeptic of this thought that the Queen Elizabeth II descended from the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) and so are many other Muslims. Well, what can I say, if this were not true, the royal family would be out there debunking the myth but it doesn’t seem to matter to them, at least not yet.

Some good info!:)