Enochian Magic, any first hand stories?

[measle_weasel]

Of all the forms of magic, only Enochian has really held my interest thus far. Are there any practitioners of Enochian magic here, past or present, that would be willing to share some of their personal experiences with the art? Id be very interested in first hand accounts of actual rituals preformed by those who frequent this board.

If anyone has any second-hand accounts, Id love to hear those aswell!

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[measle_weasel]

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[light_dark]

Hello, i'm intrested in the subject as well. I don't have any experiences so far but i think that you might find this blog intresting

www.enochiantemple.org

[measle_weasel]

Thanks, Ill check that out!

[angelthecat]

I have never taken part in any kind of of Enochian magic but i have watched a dvd about the subject and have a PDF format copy of the Goatia. But I have witnessed how people can be divided into hating each other when they have never met, will never meet, or had any contact with each other by by phone or writing, all this using demonds that they precieve to be angels.

They call one group of Demons MANCHESTER UNITED, And their followers think that they are angels
And the other group they call LIVERPOOL And thier followers think that they are angels also. This way they can hate each other for ever.

This Magical ritual goes on all over the world (used to be every saturday but now its on a daily basis) So if you want to get involved in Enochian Magic support your local football team.

The real reason Enochian Magic was practised was to take control of your own demons so they don't control you.

[mauviene]

I'm still a noob but I'd love to hear such experiences also :D

[purpledream]

I have been getting very into Enochian and Goetia, more so since I got asked to join two orders which use this magick, along with Chaos.

I decided I didn't want to join the orders as they were rushing me to get initiated and after some research of my own I didn't want to, it was too risky to do it, if what I have heard is true.

So now I am looking for a magick partner, someone to work with, discuss it all in detail with and learn with. If anyone is interested let me know please.

I am based in Lancs UK.

[ipopacific]

very interested in learning magic of all kinds i truely believe all information / knowledge is neutral its the intent of the person that makes it positive or negative i wish there was` more truthseekers that were on the quest to learn the occult because magik and the laws that govern it or the limitless boundaries a more accurate description is the true science not bullshit newton physics ..... If we want to control our future i think we need to be able to learn the hidden knowledge these draconian puppets have been hoarding for so long...if any one has any good movies or books im happy to do a swap ..... ive got a few ebooks and dvds

[thelonious]

I use Enochiana mixed with Qabalistic work, via the Golden Dawn system. While I've had a few interesting experiences, I would recommend, for far better detail, the book "The Vision and the Voice" by Aleister Crowley, which is a record of Crowley's work with the 30 Aires.

The entire book can be read online here:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/l418/418.html

[purpledream]

I forgot to mention that I am female, if that matters?? I am very serious about this and very ready for it, I don't easily scare. I have fantastic visualisation skills, can astral travel, have psychic abilities and the magick I have worked so far has had very good results.

[measle_weasel]

I use Enochiana mixed with Qabalistic work, via the Golden Dawn system. While I've had a few interesting experiences, I would recommend, for far better detail, the book "The Vision and the Voice" by Aleister Crowley, which is a record of Crowley's work with the 30 Aires.

The entire book can be read online here:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/l418/418.html

Thank you for posting this link!

I have read from authors who have wrote about Enochian magic, that the golden dawn system of enochian used by Crowley, was an edited form, in that many of the supposed requirements for performing the rituals were ignored, removed, modified, or otherwise changed. In your knowledge, is this correct, and if so, did Crowley ever mention why he did this, and to what effect it had on the outcomes of the rituals?

[thelonious]

Thank you for posting this link!

I have read from authors who have wrote about Enochian magic, that the golden dawn system of enochian used by Crowley, was an edited form, in that many of the supposed requirements for performing the rituals were ignored, removed, modified, or otherwise changed. In your knowledge, is this correct, and if so, did Crowley ever mention why he did this, and to what effect it had on the outcomes of the rituals?

I'm a Golden Dawn man myself, so the techniques I employ are similar to Crowley's, via the instructions in the G.'.D.'. Adeptus Minor documents. I would guess about 95% of today's Ceremonial Magicians use either the Golden Dawn system, or Crowley's derivatives. Among the remaining 5%, there are probably some purists who insist on using Dee's original manuscripts.

To each his own, but I've never experimented with the Enochian system outside of the Golden Dawn system, so I couldn't give any pointers in that direction. I've found, at least for me personally, that the G.'.D.'. system of Enochiana is both safe and usable.

In his book "The Temple of Set", Dr. Michael Aquino gives an example of using the Keys from a pre-Golden Dawn work. Aquino says the results from the first experiment were better than his earlier ones in using the versions given by Crowley in The Equinox and later bastardizations by LaVey. He suggests that this may be because of errors in Crowley's pronunciation of the Angelic Language. He doesn't comment any more on LaVey, whose versions of the Keys are complete garbage.

[eternal_spirit]

I have been getting very into Enochian and Goetia, more so since I got asked to join two orders which use this magick, along with Chaos.

I decided I didn't want to join the orders as they were rushing me to get initiated and after some research of my own I didn't want to, it was too risky to do it, if what I have heard is true.

So now I am looking for a magick partner, someone to work with, discuss it all in detail with and learn with. If anyone is interested let me know please.

I am based in Lancs UK.

Risky as in how :confused: and what have you heard:confused: Please :)

[eternal_spirit]

Did Dee base his Enochian keys/language on an earlier system? And try pass it off as something new that he invented, or did he state he borrowed from an earlier system which helped him developed his own Enochian sytem?

[deathcultreject]

Of all the forms of magic, only Enochian has really held my interest thus far. Are there any practitioners of Enochian magic here, past or present, that would be willing to share some of their personal experiences with the art? Id be very interested in first hand accounts of actual rituals preformed by those who frequent this board.

If anyone has any second-hand accounts, Id love to hear those aswell!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YT5lMzCouRo/SN0hAlA-NHI/AAAAAAAAC34/CMopa68IBsE/s320/aemeth.jpg

Most of my rituals have a bit of Enochian in them as the Enochian language is one of my favourite languages.

I think that the most useful thing I can say right now (I haven't got much time) is that I find Enochian materials to be very flexable and worth studying.

You can change the pronounciation of the language by blending it with magical alphabets (The Golden Dawn used Hebrew) and you can hybridise (some of) the angels with pagan gods, etc. etc.

If you study the language untill you find patterns and systems of philosophy in it, then you might just have made a new breakthrough which is yours to apply as you please.

Yours I say, All yours! mwahahahahaha!

The down side of the Enochian system is that it might give people power before they have enough discepline to use it wisely.

It's better at calling things in than it is at banishing them as well.

So please be careful and take the precaution of doing the standard kind of magical training regime, as in learning to discepline your mind and body, with meditation, breathing exercises, yoga or martial arts, etc. and learning to clear up with banishing / centering rituals etc.

Otherwise you run the risk of thinking your a genius whilst you run around doing people's heads in and they just don't understand etc. etc.

[thelonious]

Did Dee base his Enochian keys/language on an earlier system? And try pass it off as something new that he invented, or did he state he borrowed from an earlier system which helped him developed his own Enochian sytem?

It appears that the system was original with Dee, along with Kelly. The system supposedly originated with the biblical patriarch Enoch, but that hypothesis seems sort of imaginative to me.

[purpledream]

Risky as in how :confused: and what have you heard:confused: Please :)

Oh just that maybe my intentions for joining an order are not the correct ones, and that leads to trouble.

Symbiosis is what I am told happens in the initiation, and I was told you have to be ready and willing for that to happen.

[purpledream]

It appears that the system was original with Dee, along with Kelly. The system supposedly originated with the biblical patriarch Enoch, but that hypothesis seems sort of imaginative to me.

I think it is safer to draw your own tablets, which is what I will be doing before using any.

[marpat]

Did Dee base his Enochian keys/language on an earlier system? And try pass it off as something new that he invented, or did he state he borrowed from an earlier system which helped him developed his own Enochian sytem?

Well if he based his material on older systems I have seen no reference to what this older system is. I think some of the names that are formed from the tablets may be similar to known names but does that mean its a forgery or does that mean it is complementary to what another system is saying?

Some of the stuff you see going under the name Enochian is actually Golden Dawn constructs. They developed Dee's ideas into something that could be used with their own kabbalistic based ideas. In short, some of the current ideas are developments rather than original ideas.

Is there any reason why it should not be an original system? although the method of reception does sound fantastic is it any more far fetched than other mediated systems and material? even Icke has been known to use information he recevied from spirits, etc.

This is not really one of my subjects and I have only a slight acquaintance with it.

[deathcultreject]

I have been getting very into Enochian and Goetia, more so since I got asked to join two orders which use this magick, along with Chaos.

I decided I didn't want to join the orders as they were rushing me to get initiated and after some research of my own I didn't want to, it was too risky to do it, if what I have heard is true.

So now I am looking for a magick partner, someone to work with, discuss it all in detail with and learn with. If anyone is interested let me know please.

I am based in Lancs UK.

Magical orders can be very abusive behind a false front. They tend to work against development of magic or spiritual freedom in the big wide world because they want to be the only people practicing, and they want to claim all magic etc. as their own.

The public is now aware of every magical and spiritual thing that it takes to become an adept or an initiate etc. The stuff which magical orders still cling to is power hunger, who you know, dirty tricks, brainwashing, stalking, and blackballing.

Mental illness becomes much more common in a community when people from established magical orders start taking things over.

It's better to form your own groups with people you can trust. Magical orders can't even be trusted to 'play fair' with groups who come together to work for the environment.

[measle_weasel]

Shameless bump

[unusual_suspect]

Oh just that maybe my intentions for joining an order are not the correct ones, and that leads to trouble.

Symbiosis is what I am told happens in the initiation, and I was told you have to be ready and willing for that to happen.

I think I know what you are refering to - the egregore, but I do not see this as a bad thing, some of the things you learn can be quite harmful to you if done in an incorrect way and also there are people who want to hurt members of certain orders, this gives you protection and other benefits.

[strengthofknowledge]

i dont like touchy topics like this one.... ive always thought about getting into some shit like this but i dont know...seems way too satanic for my christian ways... im a firm believer of Quantum Physics and its possibles though..

[eternal_spirit]

i dont like touchy topics like this one.... ive always thought about getting into some shit like this but i dont know...seems way too satanic for my christian ways... im a firm believer of Quantum Physics and its possibles though..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1015838&postcount=1046

[malkor]

I forgot to mention that I am female, if that matters?? I am very serious about this and very ready for it, I don't easily scare. I have fantastic visualisation skills, can astral travel, have psychic abilities and the magick I have worked so far has had very good results.

I dabbled in it along with other systems when I was younger, but I sucked at divination and was taking karmic hits so I quit doing gray. Sometimes the price is too high.

Still, if you are determined, I suggest James or Tyson.

Personally, I think all the systems are BS since they are all connected to the same root. The important parts are the physical and mental training rituals that go as a prerequisite to any of them. Self discipline, visualization and endurance. You don't need tools, diagrams, angel names, nothing but your mind. I say this because I had an astral trip to the Aires before I even knew what it was or how to interpret the strange things that I saw. I may have even touched upon the Creator.

[shaivite]

I practiced Enochian many years ago. It is a very powerful system and in my humble opinion should be treated with careful respect. I studied under the person who taught the Schueler's (some of the main authors on Enochian) and the OESL. I would also be careful about some of the material out there. I was taught that some of the Enochian material e.g. from the likes of Crowley and others is purposely inaccurate, just enough to act as blockages. I recommend going back to Dee's original material. Don't take short cuts. I have some tales to tell, but I wouldn't like to share them in a public forum. Not that many folk would believe me anyway! :D But this is all a long time ago for me now.

[eternal_spirit]

You don't need tools, diagrams, angel names, nothing but your mind. I say this because I had an astral trip to the Aires before I even knew what it was or how to interpret the strange things that I saw. I may have even touched upon the Creator.
Agreed. When you look into who created these systems they are seriously dodgy people to say the least.


These symbols and sigils and magical systems are the creation of the Elite priesthoods. Don't wanna spook anyone but I'll party poop How do you know you aren't being drained of energy and it's being absorbed by the Elite's occultists/Kabbalists etc regardless of your good intentions. You may be feeding some demons, or evil people with energy/fuel.

Personally I wouldn't trust these systems, and never used any, but have had many experiences of what woud be called Angels spirits etc, mostly visual apparitions.

[measle_weasel]

Does anyone have any recommended reading/viewing on Enochian Magic?

[alexc]

I forgot to mention that I am female, if that matters?? I am very serious about this and very ready for it, I don't easily scare. I have fantastic visualisation skills, can astral travel, have psychic abilities and the magick I have worked so far has had very good results.

No, it doesn't matter.

Magicians still go to Hell, even if they're female.

[deathcultreject]

i dont like touchy topics like this one.... ive always thought about getting into some shit like this but i dont know...seems way too satanic for my christian ways... im a firm believer of Quantum Physics and its possibles though..

Cool.

If observation narrows phenomenon in the quantum multi probability world down to the expected phenomenon . . .

. . . but we don't always see what we consciously expect to see . . .

. . . maybe we have a subconscious which does all the presuming for us, and it has language which is closer to whatever processes are involved with the collapse of quantum multiple state reality into Newtonian reality.

I looked into Enochian about 18 years ago because I'd read it had 'a programming language for life the universe and everything', I had beautiful visions after just colouring in the tablets, and I've been in love with it ever since.

After all, it preaches group sex and wife swapping within an otherwise Christian set of values.

What's not to like?

[deathcultreject]

I forgot to mention that I am female, if that matters?? I am very serious about this and very ready for it, I don't easily scare. I have fantastic visualisation skills, can astral travel, have psychic abilities and the magick I have worked so far has had very good results.

If you're female, then you REALLY need to be warned about magical orders and the extremes that they will go to to gain control of females for membership.

If you want to train to become better able to exorcise goetic demons, and improve ability and safety etc. then you get in touch and see if you want to travel to South Wales.

We can agree on a list of things not to do such as drugs, showing off, alcohol, sexual advances, accusing each other of posession by dark forces, (the usual things that make magicians argue) and I promise I'll keep to it.

My regular magical partner's a silly cow in that she's still involved with the illuminates of thanateros, so she's kind of a dead weight when it comes to developing magical safety and defences etc.

They rely on brainwashing rather than magical results these days.

[measle_weasel]

Cool.

[scotty99]

This site is interesting

http://www.evocationmagic.com/forum/

[lewi]

In my experience Enochian Magic is about calling on the occult aspects of ones soul. These are known as Aethyr's and you must intergrate them into your being as these entities are you, yet they are existing in alternate dimensions. I use these Aethyr's as a tool to work my will in the astral planes and forge gateways as i sure your aware. These magics can also be used to achive oneness, the God head state of being too. The only problem i have seen since joining the DI forum is while people claim to have an open mind they really don't take the information seriously and i understand why those who deal with these energies very rarely post on such subjects.

[lewi]

Below is the link to a most profound interview with the Magister of the temple of Set Micheal Kelly based on the subject of Enochian magic.


Keys of Darkness: Enochian Black Magic

http://www.esnips.com/doc/67ba33dc-270e-4296-b682-b55e40ac359e

[alexc]

In my experience Enochian Magic is about calling on the occult aspects of ones soul. These are known as Aethyr's and you must intergrate them into your being as these entities are you, yet they are existing in alternate dimensions. I use these Aethyr's as a tool to work my will in the astral planes and forge gateways as i sure your aware. These magics can also be used to achive oneness, the God head state of being too. The only problem i have seen since joining the DI forum is while people claim to have an open mind they really don't take the information seriously and i understand why those who deal with these energies very rarely post on such subjects.

In short you're a Devil worshiper who has congress with demons, but tricks yourself into believing they're just aspects of your own mind.

[sofa king]

In short you're a Devil worshiper who has congress with demons, but tricks yourself into believing they're just aspects of your own mind.


so speaketh the only one in the world going to heaven

care to throw us some bible quotes?

[alexc]

so speaketh the only one in the world going to heaven

care to throw us some bible quotes?

I'm hardly the "only" one.

There are a few BILLION Christians in the world you know. At least SOME of us MUST have it right. ;)

[sandman33]

I'm tired of this hocus pocus.

I want video. If this shit works I want to see film of a ritual and a RESULT. Shouldn't be too difficult.

[marpat]

I'm tired of this hocus pocus.

I want video. If this shit works I want to see film of a ritual and a RESULT. Shouldn't be too difficult.

If you want to get results do it yourself. You cant sit with a thumb up your arse waiting for somebody else to give you proof. You say it shouldn't be difficult so do it then

[marpat]

No, it doesn't matter.

Magicians still go to Hell, even if they're female.

Who made you judge over others? let him without sin cast the first stone.

[elo_zorn]

I recommend reading some Joseph Lisiewski: "Kabbalistic Handbook-for the Practising Magician". Don't let the title fool you, this is not a flakey new age cookbook style approach...

The book isn't specific to Enochian magic in order to keep the book short and sweet (handbook), but it is still very much applicable. Great place to begin laying a solid foundation of Kabbalah in regards to its application and analysis of Western Magic (Prepatory and magical practices, Invocation/Evocation, Planetary and Talismanic Magic, Elemental Magic, Zodiacal Magic, Enochian Magic, Sephirothic Magic, Divinatory Magic and Path Working Magic).

In my opinion, Lisiewki's theory of "subjective synthesis" that he presents in this book is the single most important factor in getting consistent positive results from your practises...it's what allows you to actually integrate your Magic into your sub-conciousness/conciousness rather than just jumping through the hoops blindly and hoping for the best. Hope that helps!

[sandman33]

If you want to get results do it yourself. You cant sit with a thumb up your arse waiting for somebody else to give you proof. You say it shouldn't be difficult so do it then


Typical answer. SUURE...I can SHOW you anything or provide any substantial proof...but just DO IT. :rolleyes:


Maybe I like to see evidence before gambling with my SOUL...if the shit WORKS it should be very VERY easy to prove.

[marpat]

Typical answer. SUURE...I can SHOW you anything or provide any substantial proof...but just DO IT. :rolleyes:


Maybe I like to see evidence before gambling with my SOUL...if the shit WORKS it should be very VERY easy to prove.

So you want proof but want somebody else to put themself at risk? you are a spiritual coward. Nothing good is without some risk.

Personally I would not care about trying to prove anything to somebody like you. Gambling with your soul? the words of a blind man led by outdated, fear based dogmas.

What you seem to be saying is that if it did work you would be happy to gamble with your soul to be able to do such things.

Havent you considered the many factors that go to success in such things? no, you havent because your shallow, dull post just makes this plain. How do you know what should be very easy to prove when you haven't even tried it? its like saying that running a marathon is easy but being incapable of walking to the end of your street.

[sandman33]

So you want proof but want somebody else to put themself at risk? you are a spiritual coward. Nothing good is without some risk.

Personally I would not care about trying to prove anything to somebody like you. Gambling with your soul? the words of a blind man led by outdated, fear based dogmas.

What you seem to be saying is that if it did work you would be happy to gamble with your soul to be able to do such things.

Havent you considered the many factors that go to success in such things? no, you havent because your shallow, dull post just makes this plain. How do you know what should be very easy to prove when you haven't even tried it? its like saying that running a marathon is easy but being incapable of walking to the end of your street.

You sure are quick to insult arent you. Thats two posts in a row you've blatantly insulted me for merely asking for PROOF that this works.

The difference is that I'M not the one claiming this works. If I were the one claiming such things the burden of proof would be on ME...not on the one listening to me.

Any man can walk across the street and record himself doing so. I'm merely asking the same here.

Manifest something...anything. Get it on film and post it.

[marpat]

You sure are quick to insult arent you. Thats two posts in a row you've blatantly insulted me for merely asking for PROOF that this works.

The difference is that I'M not the one claiming this works. If I were the one claiming such things the burden of proof would be on ME...not on the one listening to me.

Any man can walk across the street and record himself doing so. I'm merely asking the same here.

Manifest something...anything. Get it on film and post it.

Why should anybody prove anything to you when you are not interested

Why should laws that govern invisible energies obey the laws of the physical world, or be forced to act according to the will of people for the amusement of somebody who is merely curious? you also make the assuption that just because people are into such subject that they suddenly have vast power to manifest all sorts of materialisations. People have different degrees of success, some of them quite subtle so why do you presume that they can suddenly conjour up some physical object for the benefit of the camera? you are not interested in anything except trying to use a materialistic arguement to say it doesnt work. You think events that are generated in timeless areas of awareness are suddenly going to be restricted to a false time scale, measured by a clock?

[sandman33]

Why should anybody prove anything to you when you are not interested

Why should laws that govern invisible energies obey the laws of the physical world, or be forced to act according to the will of people for the amusement of somebody who is merely curious? you also make the assuption that just because people are into such subject that they suddenly have vast power to manifest all sorts of materialisations. People have different degrees of success, some of them quite subtle so why do you presume that they can suddenly conjour up some physical object for the benefit of the camera? you are not interested in anything except trying to use a materialistic arguement to say it doesnt work. You think events that are generated in timeless areas of awareness are suddenly going to be restricted to a false time scale, measured by a clock?

Im not interested? Surely I am or I wouldn't ask to see it. I don't wish to partake in demonology if thats what you mean. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to see proof in peoples claims that they can conjure. If it's THIER will to conjure so be it....prove it.

I don't want a materialistic argument. I've SEEN empty evil people that have gotten into the occult...people that were once warm. But thats still a personal decision.

All I'm saying is that this has been going on since time immemorial and it's about time...in THIS day in age for someone to prove it.

[rhydra]

I don't believe in rituals or specific rhyming spells to carry out certain invocations, you have to know it will work first then it will. I have made certain things happen, the only drawback is it happens when I am supremely angry and I mean furious. I once made lightning and I have witnesses to prove it. :cool:

[elo_zorn]

In short you're a Devil worshiper who has congress with demons, but tricks yourself into believing they're just aspects of your own mind.

I have a question for you Mr.alexc-

Do you think that understanding, learning and practicing your connection back to other aspects of our existence that we're not normally privy to (perhaps what you'd refer to as God's Kingdom, and his many mansions), in order to integrate their mechanics consciously into our current manifestation in the physical is...evil? From a Christian perspective, couldn't this be considered understanding and living by the Word of God, the Word being the behind the scenes mechanics of our reality, God's unseen hand? Is this not how Jesus would have performed his miracles?

Perhaps if you open up a little, you'll see that Magic and Christianity have many congruences; they're just 2 different viewpoints of the same big picture...which is true of the core of most religion and spirituality. Strip away dogmas and other misuses and you always find the same thing deep down. Another thing to consider is that any system of belief of practice can be used for good or bad, just look at what the Catholics have done with Christianity...they made a war machine out of it!

[lewi]

In short you're a Devil worshiper who has congress with demons, but tricks yourself into believing they're just aspects of your own mind.
Multiple dimensions in which your soul takes on many diffrent forms is open to those who follow the Enochian traditions. Its these forms in which we gain awareness while astral projecting and we use these entities or aethyr's as vehicles to explore the realms of existence they dwell within. Plus what christians call possession is the same process but in reverse.

I worship no idol as heaven and hell are just a droplets from the same infinite source as is the devil and the god consciousness. Christians throughout the centuries used this system and it has been well documented yet they said it was never by choice blaming the holy spirit as the cause for there experiences. So anyone claming astral projection and Enochian magic is the work of the devil may want to ponder on this notion and the origins of there own belief system.

[lewi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsszBMM_zUQ

[marpat]

Im not interested? Surely I am or I wouldn't ask to see it. I don't wish to partake in demonology if thats what you mean. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to see proof in peoples claims that they can conjure. If it's THIER will to conjure so be it....prove it.

I don't want a materialistic argument. I've SEEN empty evil people that have gotten into the occult...people that were once warm. But thats still a personal decision.

All I'm saying is that this has been going on since time immemorial and it's about time...in THIS day in age for someone to prove it.

There are evil people in every walk of life, people who turn nasty for one reason or another. You would seem to imply that they became nasty because of their involvement but maybe the fact is that they could not deal with the things that exist within themselves. I suppose you would prefer them to sit with you on the pews. Most people use the word occult in such a vague and sweeping manner that it does not offer any insight to what they are trying to say.

Who cares about conjouring anyway, it is considered pretty pointless anyway. Does a hypnotist not conjour an illusion before the eyes?

[sandman33]

There are evil people in every walk of life, people who turn nasty for one reason or another. You would seem to imply that they became nasty because of their involvement but maybe the fact is that they could not deal with the things that exist within themselves. I suppose you would prefer them to sit with you on the pews. Most people use the word occult in such a vague and sweeping manner that it does not offer any insight to what they are trying to say.

Who cares about conjouring anyway, it is considered pretty pointless anyway. Does a hypnotist not conjour an illusion before the eyes?

More insults? Trying to shame me and point me as a hypocrite. I don't sit on any pew. And you're REALLY reaching by saying that everyone on a pew can't handle whats inside themselves anyway.

I understand that the occult is vague. It's meant to be. Proof should still be easy to produce.

[measle_weasel]

Who cares about conjouring anyway, it is considered pretty pointless anyway. Does a hypnotist not conjour an illusion before the eyes?

Could you explain more about this, marpat? Is it that conjuration is not effective, or that its just illusionary to begin with?

[marpat]

Could you explain more about this, marpat? Is it that conjuration is not effective, or that its just illusionary to begin with?

The effort required to produce a result far outweighs the benefits. If you got an angel to appear in the physicla world then they have to step down their vibrations to your level so you can perceive them, cutting them off from their source. It is far better to develop your own perception, learn to raise your own vibrations so that you can communicate more directly on a higher level and it takes less effort. Spiritual development is the goal and this is not going to be achieved if people are going to spend time trying to reduce the spiritual world to a material object.

[marpat]

More insults? Trying to shame me and point me as a hypocrite. I don't sit on any pew. And you're REALLY reaching by saying that everyone on a pew can't handle whats inside themselves anyway.

I understand that the occult is vague. It's meant to be. Proof should still be easy to produce.

Why should proof be easy to produce? you keep saying this but are you an expert? on what basis do you make such a ridiculous claim?

[sandman33]

Why should proof be easy to produce? you keep saying this but are you an expert? on what basis do you make such a ridiculous claim?

I understand your concepts of Alchemy and vibration.

I'm saying that the idea is that you can use "magic" to force an "entity" be it good or evil to appear.

That is the idea and the statement made my many people. If it's true and can be done....lets see it. Film it already.

[marpat]

I understand your concepts of Alchemy and vibration.

I'm saying that the idea is that you can use "magic" to force an "entity" be it good or evil to appear.

That is the idea and the statement made my many people. If it's true and can be done....lets see it. Film it already.

Personally I would not even be interested in trying to materialise an entity as I think there is no need to. I have never had an interest in that field nor ever tried to do such a thing. You are the one claiming it should be easy so why not manifest an angel?

If you understand the concept of vibration then why do you not understand the concept of materialisation, after all is it not just a matter of changing the vibration of something?

[sandman33]

Personally I would not even be interested in trying to materialise an entity as I think there is no need to. I have never had an interest in that field nor ever tried to do such a thing. You are the one claiming it should be easy so why not manifest an angel?

If you understand the concept of vibration then why do you not understand the concept of materialisation, after all is it not just a matter of changing the vibration of something?

Im not the one claiming that I can do such things. Like LuciferHorus here to claims to be the master of Solomons key and the entire Goatia.

And it IS funny how the occult never mentions summoning an angel just demons or what it claims are "neutral" entities.

Nor does the Church....because if the Church DID claim to be able to summon good angels at will people would be demanding it to back thier faith!

[e7304]

Apart from the usual squabling, this is an interesting thead. Years ago I read Dions Fortunes the "mystical kabalah" and "Psychic self defence", and I still have the books somewhere in my boxes of books. Last year I listened to "Lon Milo Duquette" (sp?) on Red Ice (still there under the archives) and was interested enough to get his book on Enochian sex magick.

Havent read it yet but looks interesting.

[bobbydiva]

Bump, like this thread, keep it going lol

[metacomet]

I'm tired of this hocus pocus.

I want video. If this shit works I want to see film of a ritual and a RESULT. Shouldn't be too difficult.

The world doesn't work like Harry Potter...

real magick is invisible and the affects are spiritual. Can't be found on camera.

People witness Magick through feelings and their own consciousness, and if they are lucky enough to have visions, they aren't going to be able to capture that on camera.

[theperceivingeye]

Does anyone have any recommended reading/viewing on Enochian Magic?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Y8pXMqVLL._SS500_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Enochian-Magick/dp/0875427162

I found this book to be informative. It's a short read but I still managed to get side-tracked and haven't finished it yet, but it seems solid so far. Maybe I will finish it now :D

[annael]

And take yee note that this was posted at 5:55 EST.

5 books are open.

[annael]

And Nau a Signum in the stars for yee....

the sign of the eclipse, the moon and divine angles of old....

http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Beckett%27s_Triangulation

take yee head of the divine 7s

1/7 and the 142857

Mae Nummer is 142

Haer ist 857

we are the father and mother of this universe.

[annael]

you asked for first hand stories, so shall ye receive.

what better way than the angels who wrote the book.

:)

we love you!!!!!

:P

[marpat]

Apart from the usual squabling, this is an interesting thead. Years ago I read Dions Fortunes the "mystical kabalah" and "Psychic self defence", and I still have the books somewhere in my boxes of books. Last year I listened to "Lon Milo Duquette" (sp?) on Red Ice (still there under the archives) and was interested enough to get his book on Enochian sex magick.

Havent read it yet but looks interesting.


Excellent books. I got a copy of Liber Chanok but I just cant seem to get motivated to study the actual enochian system

[annael]

E'ery Angel potentus that receives passing shall be placed under
URIEL

at this time, until it is to reach a set number, and the'n michael shall be given angels.

it is the way.

I have much work to do here...so i am busy.

I spent most of the night in council of Angels explaining to mankind the nature of the fallen angels, the ark of the covenant and how it works and how it is still here guarded by the moirers of white skin and eye, the breastplate of judgment works, how the epic of gilgamesh and noah's flood and (other stories of the flood) were really a localized event, who the nephilim were (and there are none here, nor were they giants of stature etc but giants among men as in "power" and "knowledge) and basically the plan of the next few years.

Its all locked within this book, well most of it.

The book of 5, was a locked book, and any books you read saying they know the magic, are complete f-cking idiots that disgust us among the knowing.

we don't have to play nice or not cuss and all that.

we're real just like you, aint above no one, aint like that

we are a family. I take care of my brothers and sisters. Its how I roll. Just like optimus prime. you might find that my sigel, looks a lot like optimus prime's

but i suck at drawing, so dont mind that, its just for example. Another Angel takes care of our drawings, but he is busy right now and we respect each other. One of the best artists i know.

For he should be...he was given the gift for the purpose of giving sigils and sign in art to mankind and fellow angel.

I am going to the place....to do the thing....

REV 10:1

This is the Angel who I am. The Strong Angel who is never mentioned by name,
because he is every name.

ANNAEL = ANY NAME OF EL

AN(Y)NA(ME)EL
Y ME?

Because I accepted my self for who i am.

And so too can you.

I have a book to give, which I already gave, and this is most like a ceremony to represent the metaphysical relation of the action i take here.

142 + 857
(ANNAEL)(ELEI)
(FATHER)(MOTHER)
(GOD)(GODDESS)
=
999 - as you can see by math, we birthed christ together

and the spirit of the antichrist is the number of a man

666

But christ is not 1 man this time.....you really think some hippie in sandles claiming to be the son of god returned would live long in this world or even be beleived?

he is a spirit as spoken of in the end of the book of matthew

and we are the angels here to get his back. he got ours, now lets take care of him.

and so

I include a link.

Don't be fooled. we don't work in the ways of understanding of man, for god is mysterious

http://www.speedyshare.com/files/24893264/Uriel_s_Care_package_lol.zip

Enjoy an appetizer. The full meal comes later :P

and so am I.

Peace and PLUR

time to start a global rave. haha so DAMN good bein back.

THIS IS OUR PLANET.

TIME TO TAKE IT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UNITE FORCES!

cause it's time to kick some evil ass...lmao

and its gonna be lots of fun. hehehe :)

LOVE YOU!!!! SO MUCH!!!

laterz:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/user/DJMC5ive

Divine Justice Material See?

DJM SEE
5ive = live life love laugh learn

<3 and we are here.

And we speak the language of time.

[annael]

lol actually take some time to read my babbling lol

trust me, it will pay off in the end if you're one of the pre-ordained.

Peace

[tarant8l]

Enochian is the opposite of magick. Magick starts with NEM0 or non-thinking. On the other side is thinking, the devil and stupidity with its complicated as well as nonsensical "rituals". Dee knew that, too late.

[annael]

look to the heptarchic lamen of angels

My name, Sean

look to page 142 and 143 of the purple book.

as I have gi'en that i am 142. which is mein nummer...

ascribe my sign on the table in deus noster and duxx noster, as my name is within it, by the sign of the X which be the sign of the double A.

The table says this now read and learn, because I designed this table.

1. SEE ME?
2+3.SEAN BECKETT = (name) (3)HIDDEN ONE
4. DEMONETRA (the spirit within ELEI the 857)
5. I me GOD C(SEE)? BECKETT (as in Sean Christopher Beckett, my name which means One of baptism of water, of christ, keeper of the waters)
6. I LIVE ON
7. I HAVE REVIELD LOVE (IHRL) AA (Avian Avenrath Aeternangel ANNAEL)
Link end with I
and I am the END
and the beginning.

So....as i have read the table, this is who i am.

now its your turn.

to know who you are.

now i gotta go to the flippin beach mates....its fun bein an angel...so i stood on shore and sand...and cried out....blahblah

lol

REV 10:1 is what im doing this week.

and enjoyin some quality family time, who also know I am who I am.

And i might just dig my feet in the sand....and

cast mighty spells....

lol

sooo fun ! <3

[marpat]

Enochian is the opposite of magick. Magick starts with NEM0 or non-thinking. On the other side is thinking, the devil and stupidity with its complicated as well as nonsensical "rituals". Dee knew that, too late.

So you are and adept then?

You might find that influences go up and down the chain, which is exactly why rituals do work. Even the ancient kabbalists taught this very concept

[thelemicmessiah]

I am an adept, Adeptus Major to be exact. I use Enochian carefully, and advise the inexperienced to avoid it. Dee believed that the beings who taught him Enochian were angels, his associate, Edward Kelly thought they were something far more sinister. Enochian is a powerful tool. But it is not to be fucked around with by the uninitiated.

[annael]

well tell me this.

how do you use Enochian if you are so good at it?

because we have kept this book locked.

Its not something you study. Its not something you learn.

Its something you are given, only by US.

And we have not given it to you, so you speak false words.

if you do not, then prove you know how to use our spirit.

Channel the spirit of Annael, and write the words he gives you,

and I will beleive, and give you more.

[annael]

Where does the sigelam of Gold of the signus of 3.142 or the divine pi, without divination of the Goddess of 857, creation's word without story, mechanics unfolded of ban'es told.....

Become placed for protection?

[annael]

HEAR IF YOU HAVE EARS!!!!

WE are the divination of power of ENOCHIAN MAGICK

NE'ER MAN!!!!!!

those of you amongst men that claim to know this power are fooled by deceivers and hold nothing in our stead of what we speak!

WE are the divination of thies BOOKS of 5

LISTEN!

and HEAR!

for we speak the language of time! and we are here!

For you know not to whom you speak.

But we wish to teach...ne'er be above ye.

There is more power in this book than you can imagine.

But only for the good of mankind in this time.

We can teach you, I am not the only one, however I have come to share this calling with you....

Cast off what you know from man about the divine gifts that can be given by this book...

For they are of man, and not of God. They are weak and useless before the magic you could be using....

And we wish to teach it.

I am here - Annael
He is here - Uriel
He is here - Michael
He is there- Raphiel/Raziel
s/He is there- Gabriel
And many under each
---------------------
Each angel tier has 10 angels underneithe it.
Save fore Annael who is one for two.

1 leader, 4 Arch Angels, 2 groups, 2 above 2 below,
14222
4 arch angels * 2 groups
8
1 leader + 4 arch Angels =
5
1+4+2=7
142 || 857
God || Goddess
ANNAEL || ELEI

1/7 = .142857~

Divine cyclic,

So to am I the voice of the 7 thunders,
1 being 7 thunders,
142 857

So to am I the good and strong angel of revelations 10:1, rainbow and cloud.
I spoke the call done in revelations 10:1 today, by stead

For looke into the book of 5, and see this line by Dee "Are you the good angel...."

Yes I am.

Hear our call mankind!

For cast off these forgeries of understanding, cast down your pride!

For you know not of this book, for we personally only teach its power to ANGELS once awakend'

You ha've not the po'er of this book yet, shael we have ne're given it unto ye.

But we shael if you pass the test of purity.

TAKE TIME! Stop your foolish claims of knowledge of magick beyond your understanding at this time.

Read what has been spoken and calm your heart.

Relax.

We are here to help.

Because we care.

[zsymon]

Annael, why do you think you are an archangel, what kind of experiences
led you to this conclusion? I am quite interested in this, I hope you care
to speak of this.

I met archangel Michael in the spirit world, at war with an army of demons,
swords flashing and bolts of blue light crashing down and ripping creatures
apart.. so I am intrigued.

[thelemicmessiah]

well tell me this.

how do you use Enochian if you are so good at it?

because we have kept this book locked.

Its not something you study. Its not something you learn.

Its something you are given, only by US.

And we have not given it to you, so you speak false words.

if you do not, then prove you know how to use our spirit.

Channel the spirit of Annael, and write the words he gives you,

and I will beleive, and give you more.


Yeah, boy, I'm convinced now...

But, I'll play...

LAP ZIRDO BABALON!

I am Diana
The Daughter of Nuit
I am Diana
The Pefected Woman

I am the incarnation of the Goddess BABALON! I am the moonchild created by my great uncle Jack Parsons. My coming was foretold in Liber vel Legis and Liber 49.

I see through the lies of the angels, even if Dee did not. Your time is over. It is time Humanity takes its place of ascention in the Universe.

Have a nice day.

[eternal_spirit]

So are you self proclaimed "adepts", going to tell us your experiences of what happend when you used Enochian magic?

[thelemicmessiah]

So are you self proclaimed "adepts", going to tell us your experiences of what happend when you used Enochian magic?

My first blog post touches on this:

http://callofbabalon.blogspot.com/2010/09/lap-zirdo-babalon.html


Also, read the blog titled the Mystical Tourist...

[koagula]

In the minds eye of Abaddon it was acknowledged by the seer of externalities that the many whom are not transcended before the forthcoming cataclysm will become distraught entities revealed unto the final unvailing of the tortured face of Gaia for all eternity.

[e7304]

Excellent books. I got a copy of Liber Chanok but I just cant seem to get motivated to study the actual enochian system

Yeah me too...lazy I suppose but some of the replies on this thread make we want to yawn....

[eternal_spirit]

My first blog post touches on this:

http://callofbabalon.blogspot.com/2010/09/lap-zirdo-babalon.html


Also, read the blog titled the Mystical Tourist...
Thanks.

[eternal_spirit]

In the minds eye of Abaddon it was acknowledged by the seer of externalities that the many whom are not transcended before the forthcoming cataclysm will become distraught entities revealed unto the final unvailing of the tortured face of Gaia for all eternity.
That's just a re hash of Christian Judaic etc rapture. Or Mayan ascension spiel.

[koagula]

That's just a re hash of Christian Judaic etc rapture. Or Mayan ascension spiel.

If you say so.

[eternal_spirit]

If you say so.
Sounds like seems like..may not be?

[alexc]

That's just a re hash of Christian Judaic etc rapture. Or Mayan ascension spiel.

The Jews never really believed in a Rapture. Even though a lot of the scripture describing the end times is in the Old Testament, rabbis have always interpreted it to refer to the fall of Israel to the Babylonians and later the Romans.

If it's a rehash of anything, it's a rehash of CHRISTIAN rapture beliefs. There's nothing "Judaic" about it.

[realy]

Magical orders can be very abusive behind a false front. They tend to work against development of magic or spiritual freedom in the big wide world because they want to be the only people practicing, and they want to claim all magic etc. as their own.

The public is now aware of every magical and spiritual thing that it takes to become an adept or an initiate etc. The stuff which magical orders still cling to is power hunger, who you know, dirty tricks, brainwashing, stalking, and blackballing.

Mental illness becomes much more common in a community when people from established magical orders start taking things over.

It's better to form your own groups with people you can trust. Magical orders can't even be trusted to 'play fair' with groups who come together to work for the environment.

bingo! were you at DCR?

here is a good forum on enochian:
http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showforum=67

[eternal_spirit]

The Jews never really believed in a Rapture. Even though a lot of the scripture describing the end times is in the Old Testament, rabbis have always interpreted it to refer to the fall of Israel to the Babylonians and later the Romans.

If it's a rehash of anything, it's a rehash of CHRISTIAN rapture beliefs. There's nothing "Judaic" about it.
I have also wondered if some of the so called prophecies were actually about the past, or events (around the time the Bible was written).

John Dee was believed to be Jewish, he invented the Enochian codes.


Advent of the Messianic Era

According to the Talmud[6], the Midrash[7], and the ancient Kabbalistic work, the Zohar[8], the Messiah must arrive before the year 6000time of creation. (According to Orthodox Jewish belief, the Hebrew calendar from the dates to the time of creation. The year 2010 corresponds to the year 5770 from creation).

The Midrash comments:

"Six eons for going in and coming out, for war and peace. The seventh eon is entirely Shabbat and rest for life everlasting".

There is a kabbalistic tradition[9] that maintains that each of the 7 days of the week, which are based upon the seven days of creation, correspond to the seven millennia of creation. The tradition teaches that the seventh day of the week, the Sabbath day of rest, corresponds to the seventh millennium, the age of universal 'rest' - the Messianic Era. The seventh millennium perforce begins with the year 6000, and is the latest time the Messiah can come. Supporting and elaborating on this theme are numerous early and late Jewish scholars

Don't want to go too far off topic, sorry folks.

[realy]

i read about the angels of the enochian system want to bring about armageddon:


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/bluebook418.htm

The Nature of the Apocalypse

It has always been generally assumed that the apocalypse is in the hands of the angels of wrath, to be visited upon the world at the pleasure of God, at a moment preordained from the beginning of creation. In the veiled teachings of the Enochian angels this is not true. The gates of the Watchtowers can only be unlocked from the inside. The angels of wrath cannot initiate the apocalypse even if they wish to do so. This is suggested by an exchange between Dee and the angel Ave:

Dee - As for the form of our Petition or Invitation of the good Angels, what sort should it be of?
Ave - A short and brief speech.
Dee - We beseech you to give us an example: we would have a confidence, it should be of more effect.
Ave - I may not do so.
Kelley - And why?
Ave - Invocation proceedeth of the good will of man, and of the heat and fervency of the spirit: And therefore is prayer of such effect with God.
Dee - We beseech you, shall we use one form to all?
Ave - Every one, after a divers form.
Dee - If the minde do dictate or prompt a divers form, you mean.
Ave - I know not: for I dwell not in the soul of man. (8)

Spiritual beings must be evoked into our reality by human beings. We must open the gates and admit the servants of Coronzon ourselves. Evocation and invocation are not a part of the business of angels, but of humans. That is why the angels needed to go through the elaborate ruse of conveying the system of Enochian magic, with the Keys and the Great Table of the Watchtowers, to Dee. If the apocalypse is to take place, and if it is necessary for human beings to open the gates of the Watchtowers before it can take place, the angels first had to instruct a man in the correct method for opening the gates.

It is evident that Dee was to be restrained from opening the gates of the Watchtowers until it pleased the angels. The angel Gabriel, who purports to be speaking with the authority of God, tells him:

"I have chosen you, to enter into my barns: And have commanded you to open the Corn, that the scattered may appear, and that which remaineth in the sheaf may stand. And have entered into the first, and so into the seventh. And have delivered unto you the Testimony of my spirit to come.


"For, my Barn hath been long without Threshers. And I have kept my flayles for a long time hid in unknown places: Which flayle is the Doctrine that I deliver unto you: Which is the Instrument of thrashing, wherewith you shall beat the shears, that the Corn which is scattered, and the rest may be all one.

"(But a word in the mean season.)

"If I be Master of the Barn, owner of the Corn, and deliverer of my flayle: If all be mine (And unto you, there is nothing: for you are hirelings, whose reward is in heaven.)

"Then see, that you neither thresh, nor unbinde, until I bid you, let it be sufficient unto you: that you know my house, that you know the labour I will put you to: That I favour you so much as to entertain you the labourers within my Barn: For within it thresheth none without my consent."(9)

Surely nothing could be clearer. Throughout the Enochian commun- ications the angels euphemistically refer to the apocalypse as "the Harvest." Here Enochian magic is specifically described as the "Instrument of thrashing." Yet Dee did not comprehend the awesome significance of the burden that had been laid upon his shoulders. Elsewhere in the record the angel Mapsama is just as explicit about the need for Dee to await permission before attempting to use the Keys:

Mapsama - These Calls are the keyes into the Gates and Cities of wisdom. Which [Gates] are not able to be opened, but with visible apparition.


Dee - And how shall that be come unto?

Mapsama - Which is according to the former instructions: and to be had, by calling of every Table. You called for wisdom, God hath opened unto you, his judgement: He hath delivered unto you the keyes, that you may enter; But be humble. Enter not of presumption, but of permission. Go not in rashly; But be brought in willingly: For, many have ascended, but few have entered. By Sunday you shall have all things that are necessary to be taught, then (as occasion serveth) you may practice at all times. But you being called by God, and to a good purpose.

Dee - How shall we understand this Calling by God?

Mapsama - God stoppeth my mouth, I will answer thee no more.(10)

Despite these hints and many others, the angels never actually came out and told Dee that he was to be the instrument whereby the ritual formula for initiating the apocalypse would be planted in the midst of humanity. Here it would sit like a ticking occult time bomb, waiting for some clever magician, perhaps guided by the angels, to work it. Dee evidently never received the signal to conduct the Apocalypse Working in his lifetime. It was to be reserved for another century and another man. That man was Aleister Crowley (1875-1947).

[vienna]

could we have some experiences from those claiming to practice it?

also how do the ones who claim to have had results know it isn't a subjectively induced experience??

JAck Parsons partner in the moonchild ceremony was L Ron HUbbard and I know alot about scientology and his methods, I'm aware the profound effect self hypnosis has on an individual, maybe its following these 'magical' experiments HUbbard learned of the power of auto suggestion in convincing people of supposedly attained abilities?

during my time in scientology I met people convinced they had enhanced abilities and who interpreted daily events as evidence - it was a real insight into the power of auto hypnosis (which all of us go in and out of every day btw in the form of altered mind states and trance states without being aware of it)

[annael]

Yeah, boy, I'm convinced now...

But, I'll play...

LAP ZIRDO BABALON!

I am Diana
The Daughter of Nuit
I am Diana
The Pefected Woman

I am the incarnation of the Goddess BABALON! I am the moonchild created by my great uncle Jack Parsons. My coming was foretold in Liber vel Legis and Liber 49.

I see through the lies of the angels, even if Dee did not. Your time is over. It is time Humanity takes its place of ascention in the Universe.

Have a nice day.

Then strike me dead you moron. -Normality resumes-

lmao

[realy]

could we have some experiences from those claiming to practice it?

also how do the ones who claim to have had results know it isn't a subjectively induced experience??

JAck Parsons partner in the moonchild ceremony was L Ron HUbbard and I know alot about scientology and his methods, I'm aware the profound effect self hypnosis has on an individual, maybe its following these 'magical' experiments HUbbard learned of the power of auto suggestion in convincing people of supposedly attained abilities?

during my time in scientology I met people convinced they had enhanced abilities and who interpreted daily events as evidence - it was a real insight into the power of auto hypnosis (which all of us go in and out of every day btw in the form of altered mind states and trance states without being aware of it)

convincing yourself is part of magik.

[tits mcgee]

I use Enochiana mixed with Qabalistic work, via the Golden Dawn system. While I've had a few interesting experiences, I would recommend, for far better detail, the book "The Vision and the Voice" by Aleister Crowley, which is a record of Crowley's work with the 30 Aires.

The entire book can be read online here:

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/l418/418.html

Great resourse.

Thanks for the link.

[theperceivingeye]

P.R. Koenig

This is Part One -- Part Two


Angels are heathen beings the belief in which predates Christendom. „As far back as the texts of the ancient Ugarit, a northern syrian city state already inhabited in the early stone age (4-3 millenia before Christ) we encounter beings in the function of devine messenger. Also amongst the Assyro-Babylonians we find Angels as messengers and servents of the Gods. This adopted conception of a type of heavenly court, is colourfully unfolded in the Old Testament of the Bible“.

There are approximately 300 mentions of Angels in the Bible. In crude poetical terms Christianity experiences a heavenly inflation, and the superfluous Angels fall to Earth as Devils and demons. According to Domenicus Illiteratus 11'029'663 Devils creating their woes, hierarchically ordered into 13 Head-Devils, 9476 Devils of the upper and middle ranks as well as 788610 Devils of the lower order.

This is not the place to discuss all the existing demonic organigrammes created by the most varied of world religions and religious idiosyncracies. (eg. Emanuel Swedenborg, 1688-1772)[1] .[2] The central focus of this essay is a text from the 14th century called "Des Juden Abraham von Worms Buch der wahren Praktik in der uralten göttlichen Magie" or "The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abra-Melin the Mage." For the sake of simplicity this text is referred to in this chapter as the "Abramelin-Text".

Since a view of the entire historical context of angelic conjuration would rupture the frame of this investigation, suffice it to say that such conjurations were intensively worked in the Renaissance period and that the shelves of contemporary esoteric bookshops offer great riches in the relevant literature. We interest ourselves in the environs of the O.T.O.


The Abramelin-Text

This chapter does not offer a historical analysis of the Abramelin text; that can be acquired in any book shop in various versions[3]; nor is it an in depth examination of its content. For purposes of historical research the reader is referred to the books of Gershom Scholem;[4] for a more thorough background study, the reader may be introduced to Roman Catholic- ,[5] and as far as possible to Judeo-Cabbalistic Angelogy.

The mysterious Arab Abramelin transmitted to the equally mysterious Abraham of Worms, a nebulous recipe for the compilation of personal rituals that are to lead to a communication/communion with the personal Holy Guardian Angel. By these means one becomes firstly befriended with the Angel and secondly, the master of the demons. The process seems to be reciprocal: Human and Angel become One and together forge a bridge to the divine.[6]

Whereas certain reviewers assume that the Holy Guardian Angel, as described by Abramelin is a species of inner Authority, that unites the rational being with the Divine Wisdom, the text itself seems to argue against this assumption in certain instances.

The Abramelin-Text forms the trigger for many Occultists to engage with the Holy Guardian Angel. In the context of the O.T.O. phenomenon we are interested amongst other things in the history of the influence this text has had on Aleister Crowley and his imitators. The attainment of communication with the Holy Guardian Angel (here abbreviated to HGA) appears in the IX° of Crowley’s O.T.O.-system. And if one regards the identification of Self with Phallus as a communication with the Angel, then it can also be said to appear in the VIII°[7] of that system. The HGA is also a central theme of the Argentum Astrum (A...A...).[8], founded by Crowley in 1907, as a „new, improved“ version of the Golden Dawn. Since the O.T.O. is seen by Thelemites as a vehicle for the teachings of AA,[9] it is surprising the the Abramelin-Text receives so little attention in the O.T.O.-groups.






Beam Me Up!

UFOs and other Holy Guardian Angels can be comprended/framed as a collective-definition/synonym for consciousness-broadening and/or altering phenomena. The quasi-religious Visions and Voices[10] described in „Abramelin & Co“ are similar to UFO-encounters in the circumstances of their occurance: Half-sleep, repeated ascensions or visits to Heaven (Astral travel), cellular dissolution of the body, dissolution of the Ego, memories of unknown origin, encounters with superhuman beings or socities with interests in the individual and humanity, apocalyptic visions, changes in consciousness created by the experience, a sense of Mission. This study however, has in no way the intention to advance the thesis that UFOs and aliens are „modern“ visions of Angels and Demons. It is merely pointing out noteworthy similarities. To emphasise these similarities the terms „extra-human“ and „praeter-human“, as well as „extra-terrestrial“ and „praeter-terrestrial“ etc, will be used synonymously.

The theme of UFOs and Guardian Angels is strictly limited to the surroundings of Crowley and the O.T.O. The following schema could categorise the visions (whether occult or UFO related): Quasi-physical events (experiences with Angels or UFOs relating to the body or to consciousness), the transmission of information, and finally the results of the changes in consciousness (creativity, mission). Within a widened concept of what consistutes consciousness, rationality and irrationality can be united as orientating powers for human behaviour.


Mysterium iniquietatis

Since the Abramelin-Text appears to be both Judaic and Roman-Catholic, it is worthwhile to go into the respective Angelogies and Demonologies of both orientations of belief. Abraham, the Author of the Abramelin-Text, lived in the time of the highest bloom of the Roman-Catholic church, and its popularised dogma must certainly have impacted the text. In contract to this, it appears that the Judeic Cabbalah has hardly any standard expressions, so that only individual influences can have flowed into the Abramelin-Text. Due to their widely diverse complexity, these, however are only intimated here. – The Lutherian dogma is ommitted here, since the Abramelin-Text was created in the time before Luther. From the Roman-Catholic point of view, anything that does not place Jesus Christ at the center of the place, must be „Satanism“. To avoid a purely christian stigmatisation of the groups (eg O.T.O.) and individuals (eg Crowley) that appear in this work, by the use of the term „Satanism“, this terminology will used only in „quotes“. (as far as it appears outside of the Roman-Catholic continuum, or external to specific quotations).


Roman-Catholic Angels

"In the Begining God created the Heaven and the Earth" (Gen. 1,1), and "for the completion of the Universe- certain spiritual beings [...] without Bodies."[11] "At the same time in the beginning of Time, God created both creations, the spiritual and the bodily from Nothingness [ex nihilo] ,[12] namely the Angels and the World."[13] However "nothing is non-corporeal except only God [John 4;24], since He alone can be a non-corporeal being".[14] All his creations are characterised by a multitude of properties: The Angels are constructed of „action and potential“, of „reality and possibility“ of „substance and existence“, of „being-thus and being-there“, of „essence and existence“ yet not of „body and spirit“ nor of „matter and form“.[15] Yet form can exist in the absence of matter and embodiment and remains assembled from action and potential.[16] Since the creation cannot be uniform, one finds a hierarchy within it[17] - so it is also amongst the Angels. The Angels exist outside of Space and Time: they stand of the banks of Time, into which they can dip as needed. They posses no presience, since future events only attain their consciousness when the relevant moment „floats“ by. Visions of the future and Free Will are mutually exclusive. The Angels are ruled by inherent Ideas: it is not possible for them to learn something: they are not able to collect individual experiences (as humans are able to) rather Angels regard the beings of creation as if with one glance and unalterable.[18] For them there exist only natural and normal and never unnatural or paranormal experiences and realms of action. It is their very immortal and unchanging nature, and relative Time- and Spacelessness, that gives them their intermediary position between God and the rest of Creation. They are praeter-human, personal beings. The final objective of every creation in the blissful, immediate regard of God, face to face.[19] Are the Human-Angelic communications therefore a rehearsal for the ultimate super-natural goal ?


God’s Test and the sins of the Angels.

All God’s creations possess free will, so also the Angels. God sets a burden of proof upon all, and a special one upon the Angels, regarding which however, we find no dogmatic pronunciations. Theologists speculate, whether some of the Angels wanted to become God themselves, or did not accept Jesus Christ, who God introduced them to in His prescience. Perhaps God ordered all the Angels to kneel down before humanity, and some Angels refused.[20] Possibly certain Angels were jealous of the hypostatic Union with God that was made possible to humans..[21] Pride and imitation of the Son of God (Lucifer as 2. Son of God)[22] are other possible causes of the sins of the Angels. The theory of an alleged sin of the flesh on the part of the Angels from the apocryphal Book of Enoch and Gen 6,2 , related to a sin of the second order at worst[23], when seen from a theological point of view.

What ever the cause, the fight for the proximity to God, goes badly for the Archangel Lucifer[24] and his flock. Together they fall from Heaven.

The Sins of the Angels transform Lucifer into "Satan" and the fallen ones with him into the subservient Demons. The sinners receive new names,[25] that is to say Official Titles or Activity-denominators.[26] Lucifer the Lightbringer, doesn’t become the „given name“ of the foremost of the Fallen Angels until the high middle ages, according to Isiah 14;12: before this the name Lucifer is also used to refer to Christ.[27]

All beings are created for the glory of God, the good turn to Him in gratitude; Evil, however seeks a special aim.[28] "The Devil and the other Demons are created by God to be good by nature, but became Evil [by their own free will] ."[29]

The striving towards Good is now misused by the Demons for Evil. Even when they occasionally "do something Good, it is not real – their actions are always Evil. ."[30] There are no neutral Angels.[31] Their decision, which led to their Fall from Heaven, remains irrevocable.[32] The Earth now becomes the Arena of the battle of the Angels for Man.


The Destiny of Man

Man is destined to replace the fallen demons in Heaven, to take their empty heavenly thrones.[33] The Human creature is exposed to the tides of battle of the demons for the abandoned seats of the Angels in Heaven. Matter has as its main aim to keep Man from irrevocable sin, (since matter causes delay), but it also fulfills a rather special purpose as a sacrament (and in the form of sacrements), in that it expiates misused Matter as a type of medicine.

Man is created into the material world, that has no purpose in and of itself, but rather a purpose of usefulness. Matter too, was created for the glory of God. The Gnostic conception, that creation is a meaningfully invented work of Art, yet tainted with (planned) material- and marketing faults, is not recognised by the Roman-Catholic dogma. God planted Man into Matter, since certain Angels definatively left their Heavenly thrones as a result of a single decision, taken in a state of judgement unfettered by any delaying effects of Matter.

Angels posses the most complete blessedness possible to them. Only an insignificant addition is granted to the Angels after the creation of Man - born from the Joy of success, in service to those they are sworn to protect.[34]

All Angels are destined to protect Man. They protect from the dangers on the way to Heaven, and especially against those who would try to barr this way by means of trickery and cunning.[35] It is no dogma rather theologically certain and morally obvious that every individual Human being is provided with a Guardian Angel.[36] The protection of the Angels is not only turned against the „Violence of the Demons“ in general, but in particular against the personal injurious demons.[37] These are imitations of the guardian angels that seduce to all the vices determined by Lucifer, and whose numbers are legion.[38] Even from birth onward the Roman Catholic church provides ritual exorcisms (ie in the Baptism ritual).

Just as the Angels, Man is tested also. The first „pact with the Devil“ was the desire of the proto-parents Adam and Eve, to expand their knowledge and ability with the help of the snake. [The Guardian Angel of Abramelins is therefore a demon from the Roman Catholic point of view].[39] To make pacts with demons means to be delivered unto Evil. The Devil is not able to be banished by the might of Man, he only obeys the orders of human in apparence. Other than God, only the Guardian Angels are stronger than the injurious demons, since they attained to greater strength by the appearance of Christ (in order to serve Man), the demons, on the other hard become „weak and impotent“ and could therefore be „overcome by the Angels“.[40] Additional to the passive punishments of Hell, the demons must also obey, which constitutes the active punishment of Hell.

With a divine dispensation the demons may temporarily leave Hell[41] and have the natural freedom to connect with humans. In accord with their Angelic nature, they can move lightning fast from one place to another, however this does take up a certain amount of Time/Space and they are not omnipresent.

Direct relations/dealings with the Angels is only possibly through the senses: by visions and voices. Hence the Angels must take on a corporeal shape and make use of the human language. Vision and seeing, however, can also occur by means of internal comptemplative images and the excitation of fantasy.

How does one distinguish Angels from demons? Angels can only take on human form, whereas demons can also appear in as animals. "Satan disguises himself as an Angel of Lights" (2. Cor. 11;14).[42] There is however no certain sign to distinguish demon from Angel. Demons will trick all those who enter into a pact with them, for example, the memory of man is open to them, from which they can raise images of memory anew.[43]

In the true Mystic, God draws the Soul to Himself,[44] elevated it in extacy above the depths of sensuality, now silenced. The Angels and demons can in no more enter into the soul,[45] at most they can enter into the body, a state which expressed itself as possession.[46] To invite this consciously and expressly as a sort of balance-disorder between body and soul, points to a demonic delivery.[47] Unnecessary discussions with the demons are to be avoided.[48] The primary purpose of the demons is to work against the Holy Guardian Angel.[49] Mystical visions and speeches, appearances and revelations can be immitated. Even the unio mystica itself can be simulated.

In the same measure as Mercy, the Holy Guardian Angel falls back from the sinning Man and yields territory to the demons.[50] On the death-bed there is a battle between Guardian Angel and injurious demon, depending on the situation the hellish spirits are so closely ranked that they no longer allow the Gurdian Angel through. After the death there is a peculiar court, in which the Guardian angel and the injurious demon oppose each other as lawyer and prosecutor. Depending on the outcome the Guardian Angel guides his client to Heaven at which point the duty is discharged, and the Human is made party to the co-regent Angel, the joy of glory, and the blissful regard of the face of God. The connection with the injurious demon is torn once and for all.[51] It is also possible, that the Guardian Angel takes the soul to the punishments of purgatory, where the demons attend to its torture. But neither Angels nor demons are to be understood as the executors of punishment. If the soul goes to Hell, all connections with the Guardian Angel are broken.

In the Orthodox churches the worship of Angels was more pronounced than in the Roman-Catholic church;[52] the Angel cult was judged as idolatrous as early as 372 by the Synod of Laodicea. The Reformation later exterminated the worship and conjuration of Angels (John. 19;10 und 22;8-9).[53]


Judeo-Cabbalistic Angels

There is no unified judeic Angel-script, rather only angelogical speculations that partially contradict one another.[54] "No offical Angel cult has come into official Judaism. In the Talmud and Midrasch we find positions taken against such a cult.."[55]

In the beginning a sound emanates from the mouth of the Fatherless Father, the great name, composed of thirty letters, whose sounds form the beingless and unbred Aeons: The Angels. The Angels are a form of manifestation of Jahweh, and one hardly recognises a difference between Jahweh and the Angels of Jahweh. Being without material existance and not the product of breeding in any sense. (Gen 16;7, 10-13, 21;17-19, 22;11, 31;11). This contradicts the Roman-Catholic dogma, in which the Angels may not be confused with divine potencies.

Another judaic Angelogy speaks of seven highest Angels that God created first. A further tradition designates a sort of disposable Angel; the possibility of a daily passing-into-the-beyond of these Angels, once they have sung a song unto God.

Before the Fall man is totally and completely spiritually pure, like the Angels. Patriarchs too, are elevated to Angel-status, (Enoch to Metatron) The highest Angel is either Enoch or Anafiel depending on the tradition.



Translated by Susanne Williams



[continued in Part Two]
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[ufochick]

Doesn't this type of belief fall under the same beliefs as the other religions? The problem as I see it is that it teaches people that power is outside us. Why call down entities (which I consider unwise anyway) to do what I can train myself to?
Like I said on another thread I use energy all day. When I go to the store, I ward my house if needed, I reserve my parking place as I'm driving, I always have one by the door waiting when I arrive at the store, when I go in if the energy is not pleasant I change it, I use intuition while in the store, use a combination of energy and mundane things to help those around me who may be upset calm down, thank the checker with energy and words, leave positive energy when I leave, Check my path home for any problems in my mind, drive home, infuse my food with energy as I put it away.
All things are done without my giving them much thought. No tools, no invoking. We have all this amazing energy why do we as humans look outside for results and power? We ARE power.
Over the years I have found very few paths that encourage this independence I assume because there is no power for the teacher or mentor. It is the best way though, the kindest way, simplest way, most natural way to live using what we already are.

[tanelorn]

Doesn't this type of belief fall under the same beliefs as the other religions? The problem as I see it is that it teaches people that power is outside us. Why call down entities (which I consider unwise anyway) to do what I can train myself to?
Like I said on another thread I use energy all day. When I go to the store, I ward my house if needed, I reserve my parking place as I'm driving, I always have one by the door waiting when I arrive at the store, when I go in if the energy is not pleasant I change it, I use intuition while in the store, use a combination of energy and mundane things to help those around me who may be upset calm down, thank the checker with energy and words, leave positive energy when I leave, Check my path home for any problems in my mind, drive home, infuse my food with energy as I put it away.
All things are done without my giving them much thought. No tools, no invoking. We have all this amazing energy why do we as humans look outside for results and power? We ARE power.
Over the years I have found very few paths that encourage this independence I assume because there is no power for the teacher or mentor. It is the best way though, the kindest way, simplest way, most natural way to live using what we already are.

How did you tap into that power? Intent of will?

[ufochick]

How did you tap into that power? Intent of will?

No it takes work. It begins with understanding your own energy, learning to feel other people's energy, controlling your emotional energy, controling your atheric (auric) energy and basically understanding that everything is energy.

Intent IS important but it has to go with actual work with energy itself. I start people out making energy baseballs with their hands, once they can do that and feel it strongly they have a start.

[christ4life]

Why is it called Enochian Magic? I know this has nothing to do with Enoch.

[marpat]

Doesn't this type of belief fall under the same beliefs as the other religions? The problem as I see it is that it teaches people that power is outside us. Why call down entities (which I consider unwise anyway) to do what I can train myself to?
Like I said on another thread I use energy all day. When I go to the store, I ward my house if needed, I reserve my parking place as I'm driving, I always have one by the door waiting when I arrive at the store, when I go in if the energy is not pleasant I change it, I use intuition while in the store, use a combination of energy and mundane things to help those around me who may be upset calm down, thank the checker with energy and words, leave positive energy when I leave, Check my path home for any problems in my mind, drive home, infuse my food with energy as I put it away.
All things are done without my giving them much thought. No tools, no invoking. We have all this amazing energy why do we as humans look outside for results and power? We ARE power.
Over the years I have found very few paths that encourage this independence I assume because there is no power for the teacher or mentor. It is the best way though, the kindest way, simplest way, most natural way to live using what we already are.

No, this is just your way of seeing it. Firstly, there is no reason to think these angels are external to the individual, although they may well appear so and may have been taken as such by the Kelly and Dee. Secondly, this is a practical system where belief is not required, although if you try doing it while putting barries n the way I guess things will not work.

I have come across people who work with energy and chakras and stuff like that but when presented with something well outside of their interest spectrum they cant see why people need to do it, regardless of how useful those other methods may be. This is a very closed mind approach to mystical systems. Something as massive as the enochian system, with all the various tablets to explore could be a lifetime challenge, which many dont want.

I think a lot of it comes down to people being comfortable doing their own thing and not wishing to have to take on a massive new learning curve when presented with something unfamiliar, which they then decide is unneccesary.

Essentially this all comes down to individual paths. If people have the ability and commitment to make something of it then that is good, but if people dont want to do that then they should stop pretending that it has no value because it is not their bag.