Tell me EXACTLY what we can do

[sade]

These types of threads are made often, but there has never been even ONE solution that would take those 6000 people out. Not even one.
This is the mainreason why we are still in this crap and will continue being in it.

I know I always try to stay positive and probably tomorrow I'll be back to my old "normal" optimistic self,
but I am saddened by the fact that there is honestly nothing we can do.
I know most of us don't want to acknowledge that and probably we shouldn't, since it's better to always be optimistic...
But whenever you come up with even one small solution, you find another problem that is bigger than the last.

Icke says: "They can only control us because we allow ourselves to be controlled".

Yeah, like it's that simple. How can you NOT let them control you, when they take away all of your necessities?
If they tell you that you can only get meat at Walmart, where will you find yourself? Walmart.
"Find a way to say no to that, you little anarchist."
Or what? Are you going to say no to meat? No to fruits? Please.
One famous example of this is my mother:
"I know they know at what time I use the bus, where I go with it and etc,
but how am I gonna stop that when I don't have the money for a car?
They don't give me another option but to be followed."

WHAT the hell am I going to say to that? Has anyone honestly ever thought that?

And the other saying: "If no one shows up to war, there is no war."

Do you guys honestly think this works? I know it might work on a few smart people, but let's be real here. It doesn't work on everybody.
"You're fighting for Your country!" One smooth talker and he/she will talk you in to anything. This is how it works.

Informing other people changes what? Nothing.
They know, but then they ask you the famous question:
"What can we do?"
And you say: "Uhh....LOOK! A bird!" And then you run away.

I get this question asked all the time and I always say: "Just inform other people. It's good to know."
But really, why is it good to know when we don't have a solution? I certainly don't and it angers me.

Even Icke doesn't have a solution. "Don't let them control you."
HOOOOOOOOOW can I not when the system is everywhere?
Move to a farm? Give me money! I'll be there in a nano-second!
No money? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

I hate myself when I turn in to this negative little troll.
(not that Im trolling, but I feel like one. Literally.)

[twistedconcept]

I'm not optimistic. Too many people will defend this corrupt system to their death. It's all they've known. Throughout history, it has always been the few that have tried to make the difference. They're always ridiculed and often proven right. Nothing changes.

In my view, they're so far ahead it's almost impossible to do anything. It would take almost everybody refusing to comply with the system, but that will never happen.

[polveirbecker]

Play the game. Don’t fight it.

[amethyst]

These types of threads are made often, but there has never been even ONE solution that would take those 6000 people out. Not even one.
This is the mainreason why we are still in this crap and will continue being in it.

I know I always try to stay positive and probably tomorrow I'll be back to my old "normal" optimistic self,
but I am saddened by the fact that there is honestly nothing we can do.
I know most of us don't want to acknowledge that and probably we shouldn't, since it's better to always be optimistic...
But whenever you come up with even one small solution, you find another problem that is bigger than the last.

Icke says: "They can only control us because we allow ourselves to be controlled".

Yeah, like it's that simple. How can you NOT let them control you, when they take away all of your necessities?
If they tell you that you can only get meat at Walmart, where will you find yourself? Walmart.
"Find a way to say no to that, you little anarchist."
Or what? Are you going to say no to meat? No to fruits? Please.
One famous example of this is my mother:
"I know they know at what time I use the bus, where I go with it and etc,
but how am I gonna stop that when I don't have the money for a car?
They don't give me another option but to be followed."

WHAT the hell am i going to say to that? Has anyone honestly ever thought that?

And the other saying: "If no one shows up to war, there is no war."

Do you guys honestly think this works? I know it might work on a few smart people, but let's be real here. It doesn't work on everybody.
"You're fighting for Your country!" One smooth talker and he/she will talk you in to anything. This is how it works.

Informing other people changes what? Nothing.
They know, but then they ask you the famous question:
"What can we do?"
And you say: "Uhh....LOOK! A bird!" And then you run away.

I get this question asked all the time and I always say: "Just inform other people. It's good to know."
But really, why is it good to know when we don't have a solution? I certainly don't and it angers me.

Even Icke doesn't have a solution. "Don't let them control you."
HOOOOOOOOOW can I not when the system is everywhere?
Move to a farm? Give me money! I'll be there in a nano-second!
No money? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

I hate myself when I turn in to this negative little troll.
(not that Im trolling, but I feel like one. Literally.)

It's starts in your mind.

It starts with a conscious effort to be aware. Society is trying like all heck for you to be unaware.

You willfully choose to not accept the status quo.

You willfully choose not to live in fear.

You willfully choose not to "buy into" what they tell you to buy into.

You willfully choose to love and accept and also reject that, which you know with hinder you in being the free individual you were born to be in this dimension.

That's the starting point.

[ianw]

Have you ever thought of keeping rabbits.look in to it,so mutch meat,you wouldnt be able to eat it all.Furs are out of fation,but theres still a market for them.Most of the stuff you throw in the compost they´ll eat,grass and weeds gathered free here and there.The difficult part is who kills rodger rabbit. Rabbits make love not war.

[beldazar]

Sade, after listening to David Icke talking to Meria this morning, I felt the same way :(

There is nowhere near enough people awake to make this work and even if there were there are so many of us on the wrong track.

Sorry I cant give you some input, I dont have any....

[oiram]

Don't worry thinks will happen all automatically.

As long you know who & what is your enemy you are well prepared.

Very soon the time will come when your neighbor will ask you for help or you may ask your neighbor to help you.

Also your enemy will ask you to help, listen & follow them.

Now it will be up to you to make a decision.
Will you help the enemy or your neighbor? ...... Do you even know any of your neighbors yet? "Good question right"

You see how important it is to be informed?

What do you think the person does which only gets all his information from the MSM? ...... "That's right"

So can you see now how important it is; to may start a small talk with your neighbors to see which way they are orientated.
Don't waist your time convincing anybody just find out which way they are looking. They will ask you if they are interested!

Example:
Go to any of your neighbors & just ask him if you could help him if the time gets tuff!
Just wait for the answer no harm done right? Who in his right mind would refuse help?

Three standard responses expected:
1) You are welcome any time
2) What do you mean could you explain
3) Who the fuck are you just get out of my face

Don't try this with Obama fans if you know what I mean.


If you figured out what I just mentioned here you will know if you end up in save hands or not when the time is right.

[mountain]

It's starts in your mind.

It starts with a conscious effort to be aware. Society is trying like all heck for you to be unaware.

You willfully choose to not accept the status quo.

You willfully choose not to live in fear.

You willfully choose not to "buy into" what they tell you to buy into.

You willfully choose to love and accept and also reject that, which you know with hinder you in being the free individual you were born to be in this dimension.

That's the starting point.

Yes i am with you on that, its part of healing yourself properly, which is very essential.

[sade]

I appreciate your honest answer beldazar.
It takes a lot from a person to admit they don't have a solution.

There is nobody on the internet atleast that has a real solution for these problems. I keep researching and researching...But nothing.
Only spiritual advices. "Free yourself, don't be this and that..." And those are fine, Im following them myself and trying to stay positive,
but I can't turn my back from the reality, which is that we are being sucked in to a black hole and we still have no solution on how that can be stopped!

I know we are all trying, but we have to admit that we have no solution.
We can discuss pamplets and informing others,
but why do all that when the question will ALWAYS be:
"What can we do?" We can't provide the answer to that.

What we need is a damn miracle...

[redman]

Good thread, since knowing all this shit I feel I am in limbo myself. Some days better than others, but when I do think about the concept of what can we do about the situation we are in. I take a look a round and realize we can do very little... They have got us by the balls.


And these people who waffle these very easy answers about YOU CHOOSE to do this and that, we don't fucking choose shit. If we realistically had a choice then I am pretty sure that most of us on here would not be living the lives we live. And would try and get as far away from the BS as humanly possible.


There is pretty much fuck all we can do and thats why you hear so many bull shit answers when threads like this come up.

[redman]

The only thing I have seen that even attempts to come up with something like a solution was Zeitgeist II, and that got slated to death on here.


To have a realistic chance of changing anything then there will have to be a major war practically like the system vs the people type scenario.


I know all about the peace and love aspect of things and I like the concept of the spiritual stuff, but I do get the impression that somewhere a long the line we are going to have to fight for freedom.

Just being aware isn't enough, somewhere along the line the human race will be pushed to it's limit and something will have to go.. Us or them. And looking at the current state of affairs, it's looking like it's going to be us. LMAO


Fuck em anyway.

[gilly]

I've asked exactly the same question on here before myself.

Ever since learning what's happening, I've been frustrated by the certainty that there's no point knowing if you're not going to do something about it. trouble is, I've no idea what.

The answer I got was about freeman - on -the land.

Can't see the jack-booted thugs leaving me alone if I becme one though. (I didn't say that at the time, because the advice was given with kind intent).

All I can think is that at some time, an opportunity, or solution will present itself, & we'll be the ones to recognise it and take full advantage.

Good always triumphs over evil.

[beldazar]

Good always triumphs over evil.


thats right Gilly, you know most of our fictional stories have a happy ending so if this is a fictional reality then the same applies ;)

[mountain]

We need to oust them out of the positions they (the controllers) are in, and see that they get proper psychological help, seriously.

[redman]

I've asked exactly the same question on here before myself.

Ever since learning what's happening, I've been frustrated by the certainty that there's no point knowing if you're not going to do something about it. trouble is, I've no idea what.

The answer I got was about freeman - on -the land.

Can't see the jack-booted thugs leaving me alone if I becme one though. (I didn't say that at the time, because the advice was given with kind intent).

All I can think is that at some time, an opportunity, or solution will present itself, & we'll be the ones to recognise it and take full advantage.

Good always triumphs over evil.



Erm, not to sure about that one. May be in the movies and all the other shite they force feed us.

Also I tend to think having that outlook gives the impression that it will all work out in the end. And good and evil, do they really exist ?? To me it's just man made concepts for different types of human behaviour, a concept that has been well and truly exploited too.


I seriously think we are screwed, but we might aswell fight for what we believe is right and may be future generations will not make the same mistakes as us or will be a lot wiser than we were.

[whiterain]

I appreciate your honest answer beldazar.
It takes a lot from a person to admit they don't have a solution.

There is nobody on the internet atleast that has a real solution for these problems. I keep researching and researching...But nothing.
Only spiritual advices. "Free yourself, don't be this and that..." And those are fine, Im following them myself and trying to stay positive,
but I can't turn my back from the reality, which is that we are being sucked in to a black hole and we still have no solution on how that can be stopped!

I know we are all trying, but we have to admit that we have no solution.
We can discuss pamplets and informing others,
but why do all that when the question will ALWAYS be:
"What can we do?" We can't provide the answer to that.

What we need is a damn miracle...

dont worry sade. black holes have been given an unnecessarily bad press :)

[measle_weasel]

I'm not optimistic. Too many people will defend this corrupt system to their death. It's all they've known. Throughout history, it has always been the few that have tried to make the difference. They're always ridiculed and often proven right. Nothing changes.

In my view, they're so far ahead it's almost impossible to do anything. It would take almost everybody refusing to comply with the system, but that will never happen.

I agree with this. The odds of nearly every single person on the planet who is not part of the elite simultaneously refusing to serve the elite at any given time, are so low, they are effectively infinitesimal. Doomish, maybe, but the truth, yes.

Though that doesnt mean things wont change, and people wont be more likely at a future date to refuse to serve. I think the odds will increase that there will be revolution of sorts once it sinks into the publics thick skulls that Obama is a shill, and isnt going to do anything he promised he would.

But I fear even that wont be enough for most people in the US. Id be willing to bet that by the time the majority, or even a large minority, of people realized that they bought a lie their entire lives, and things truly were never as they seemed, that the world will already be over the event horizon and nothing then but an external force would be enough to stop its decent to where ever it would be going.

The only thing we can do, really, is prepare ourselves for that time, and hope for the best, while preparing for the worst. If you cannot prepare materially, then prepare spiritually, but preferably do both.

[measle_weasel]

thats right Gilly, you know most of our fictional stories have a happy ending so if this is a fictional reality then the same applies ;)

Thats a gigantic if. And I know many stories that end badly :(

[beldazar]

Thats a gigantic if. And I know many stories that end badly :(

Change your books then ;)

Enid Blyton may be good for a start :D

[bluehorseman]

I like your sentiments Oiram. What can we do indeed? The thing is tptb are being so sneaky and are introducing laws through the back door and not openly threatening people yet so it isn't obvious that there is a war against us. I'm sure that as soon as atrocities start happening in our communities then people will react, combine together and rebel the problem is tptb are so clever that when it gets to that stage they will probably have that angle covered as well.

We are going to have to wait till the sheep wake up which imo wont be to late, it only takes a spark to make a fire and as yet I don't think we have seen the event to make the spark. Everyone makes mistakes, tptb are no different - I'm waiting for them to make the mistake that will expose themselves to the sheep then lets see what will happen.

I just think the time isn't right yet, but when it is look out.

Rebellions aren't organised- they start, gather momentum and a life of their own.

[measle_weasel]

Change your books then ;)

Enid Blyton may be good for a start :D

Some of the greatest stories Ive ever read are tragedies. They teach and say so much more than a fluff filled book that always end in total and perfect happiness every single time.

Sometimes the good guys lose, in fiction, and in real life.

[bluehorseman]

I am worried about my life a bit though - posting on here makes us all targets as dissidents to their system and I think of all those dissidents in Cambodia and Russia etc and what can happen regarding torture etc. I feel we would be the first targets for any nwo regime. Worrying times...

Be strong, spirits high.

[beldazar]

Some of the greatest stories Ive ever read are tragedies. They teach and say so much more than a fluff filled book that always end in total and perfect happiness every single time.

Sometimes the good guys lose, in fiction, and in real life.


Ive always preferred fantasy, perhaps thats why, LMAO! :D

[hewrote]

become a Christian, accept that this world is the devil's workshop, renounce any and all inclination to rearrange it or save it, proclaim your faith in Jesus.

just a suggestion I heard on talk radio.

[measle_weasel]

I am worried about my life a bit though - posting on here makes us all targets as dissidents to their system and I think of all those dissidents in Cambodia and Russia etc and what can happen regarding torture etc. I feel we would be the first targets for any nwo regime. Worrying times...

Be strong, spirits high.

Thats possible at a time down the road. For right now, and the next fews years, dont worry about it. If there ever came a time when there was nothing else for the NWO to do but hunt down internet folk who talked about the NWO on a forum years back, youll probably have bigger problems to deal with, like figuring out how to escape your FEMA camp, where your next dinner is going to come from, or how youre going to face the upcoming winter without freezing to death.

[whiterain]

Some of the greatest stories Ive ever read are tragedies. They teach and say so much more than a fluff filled book that always end in total and perfect happiness every single time.

Sometimes the good guys lose, in fiction, and in real life.

the way i see it, evil never truely wins in the end, or else nothing would exist which is unpossible

[sade]

A drop of hope just fell in to this thread.

[bluehorseman]

Thats possible at a time down the road. For right now, and the next fews years, dont worry about it. If there ever came a time when there was nothing else for the NWO to do but hunt down internet folk who talked about the NWO on a forum years back, youll probably have bigger problems to deal with, like figuring out how to escape your FEMA camp, where your next dinner is going to come from, or how youre going to face the upcoming winter without freezing to death.

Good point ur probably right

[measle_weasel]

the way i see it, evil never truely wins in the end, or else nothing would exist which is unpossible

The possibility that evil does win in the "end" (quoted because there really are no ends within eternity, but for the sake of argument...), is what makes fighting for the good worth doing. If there is were no chance of lose, there really would be nothing to gain.

Risk is always proportional to reward, and something given has no value.

[seanx]

sade,

Why do you asume there is something wrong with
your life?

Why are you letting all these negative, we're-all-fucked
scenarios dominate your life and steal all your attention.

You can get so terrifed by these images of the future that
your life NOW passes you by.


As jOHN Lennon wrote, life is the thing that passes you by as
you are making more plans.


Look, humanity has always believed that the end was near.

Every generation believed that life was about to end and
theirs was the generation that would experience it.

it's all bollocks.

It's still here ....and will still be here in 100,000 years time
in whatever form that may take.

There will always be the pessimists who will predict the worst
of everything.

Don't let them draw you into their negative downwards spiral
or you will experience their reality.


In truth, there is NOTHING to be depressed about.


Whatever happens is just A temporary 'form' or 'circumstance'
that appears and will soon disappear into another form or
circumstance.

When you get the direct experience that you are
consciousness beyond all form, either through meditative
experience or through a teaching plant - you'll realize there
is NOTHING THEY CAN DO TO YOU.

What is the worst they can do to you?

Kill you?

No they can't.

Your consciousness will merely shift to a different
dimension.

They can't do anything to you.

With this direct experience, it all becomes a hilarious JOKE.

Ultimately, THERE IS FUCK ALL TO BE WORRIED OR CONCERNED
ABOUT.


Sade, read the second part of dave icke's book Tales of the time
Loop for the best description of someone coming to this realization.

The book ends with Icke in a state of true bliss when he realizes
it's all a game - all a great JOKE to be apprecaited and enjoyed
because as infinite consciousness we have infinite worlds to
experience and enjoy.

Stop reading all these people who vibrate at the lowest rung of
negativity. You'll find lots of them on this forum who will tell you
that we are all fucked and life is shit.

That is their belief so that IS the reality they will and no doubt
right now are experiening.

But it does not HAVE to be your reality.


So relax, nothing to be depressed about As icke once wrote:

Remember there is nothing to fear. Life is forever and everything is just an
experience on the road to enlightenment. Viewed from the highest level of
perception, there is no good and evil, only consciousness making choices
to experience all there is to experience. The astonishing events which
this book exposes are in the process of coming to an end as the light
of freedom downs at last…….it is, despite some of the information you
are about to read, a wonderful time to be alive

[relentless]

Everything is going to be alright...

[mountain]

sade,

Why do you asume there is something wrong with
your life?

Why are you letting all these negative, we're-all-fucked
scenarios dominate your life and steal all your attention.

You can get so terrifed by these images of the future that
your life NOW passes you by.


As jOHN Lennon wrote, life is the thing that passes you by as
you are making more plans.


Look, humanity has always believed that the end was near.

Every generation believed that life was about to end and
theirs was the generation that would experience it.

it's all bollocks.

It's still here ....and will still be here in 100,000 years time
in whatever form that may take.

There will always be the pessimists who will predict the worst
of everything.

Don't let them draw you into their negative downwards spiral
or you will experience their reality.


In truth, there is NOTHING to be depressed about.


Whatever happens is just A temporary 'form' or 'circumstance'
that appears and will soon disappear into another form or
circumstance.

When you get the direct experience that you are
consciousness beyond all form, either through meditative
experience or through a teaching plant - you'll realize there
is NOTHING THEY CAN DO TO YOU.

What is the worst they can do to you?

Kill you?

No they can't.

Your consciousness will merely shift to a different
dimension.

They can't do anything to you.

With this direct experience, it all becomes a hilarious JOKE.

Ultimately, THERE IS FUCK ALL TO BE WORRIED OR CONCERNED
ABOUT.


Sade, read the second part of dave icke's book Tales of the time
Loop for the best description of someone coming to this realization.

The book ends with Icke in a state of true bliss when he realizes
it's all a game - all a great JOKE to be apprecaited and enjoyed
because as infinite consciousness we have infinite worlds to
experience and enjoy.

Stop reading all these people who vibrate at the lowest rung of
negativity. You'll find lots of them on this forum who will tell you
that we are all fucked and life is shit.

That is their belief so that IS the reality they will and no doubt
right now are experiening.

But it does not HAVE to be your reality.


So relax, nothing to be depressed about As icke once wrote:

Yes! :)

[beldazar]

Ive just listened to the rest of David Ickes talk with Meria, he talks about a way out at around 60 minutes if anyone is interested :)

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/20303/126/

Like your post Relentless, positivity is great!

[sithnemesis]

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[reptileslayer]

Play the game. Don’t fight it.So play the game and help it to thrive. Yeah right thats a good idea is'nt it. cut the toilet philosophy please.

[reptileslayer]

It's starts in your mind.

It starts with a conscious effort to be aware. Society is trying like all heck for you to be unaware.

You willfully choose to not accept the status quo.

You willfully choose not to live in fear.

You willfully choose not to "buy into" what they tell you to buy into.

You willfully choose to love and accept and also reject that, which you know with hinder you in being the free individual you were born to be in this dimension.

That's the starting point.Completely ineffective, there is no time for that now, and most people are completely incapable of operation in that way/level. And it doesnt remove the illuminati does it.

[beldazar]

So what is your suggestion?

[sithnemesis]

http://relax.forum2u.org/logos/relax/relax_7_.jpg :)

[cruise4]

Looks like avoidance to me, most of this. Face losing everything. That means mentally get your head around no house, no purchasing, no bill paying, no dole, no nothing but your own resourcefulness.

When your head is in this place you can stop paying everything. Depending on current position it can take years for anything to actually happen.

Waiting for everyone else has failure written all over it to me.

Non co-operation will only be an effective option for a limited time. Use it or prepare for a truly horrendous outcome.

No change and this all going away is NOT an option at all. But people cannot easily face change and most really mean... How can we win and I still retain my current lifestyle. Not happening. Get over it. Stop co-operating. You CAN, so why pretend you CAN'T. Because you don't like the option.

[reptileslayer]

sade,

Why do you asume there is something wrong with
your life?

Why are you letting all these negative, we're-all-fucked
scenarios dominate your life and steal all your attention.

You can get so terrifed by these images of the future that
your life NOW passes you by.


As jOHN Lennon wrote, life is the thing that passes you by as
you are making more plans.


Look, humanity has always believed that the end was near.

Every generation believed that life was about to end and
theirs was the generation that would experience it.

it's all bollocks.

It's still here ....and will still be here in 100,000 years time
in whatever form that may take.

There will always be the pessimists who will predict the worst
of everything.

Don't let them draw you into their negative downwards spiral
or you will experience their reality.


In truth, there is NOTHING to be depressed about.


Whatever happens is just A temporary 'form' or 'circumstance'
that appears and will soon disappear into another form or
circumstance.

When you get the direct experience that you are
consciousness beyond all form, either through meditative
experience or through a teaching plant - you'll realize there
is NOTHING THEY CAN DO TO YOU.

What is the worst they can do to you?

Kill you?

No they can't.

Your consciousness will merely shift to a different
dimension.

They can't do anything to you.

With this direct experience, it all becomes a hilarious JOKE.

Ultimately, THERE IS FUCK ALL TO BE WORRIED OR CONCERNED
ABOUT.


Sade, read the second part of dave icke's book Tales of the time
Loop for the best description of someone coming to this realization.

The book ends with Icke in a state of true bliss when he realizes
it's all a game - all a great JOKE to be apprecaited and enjoyed
because as infinite consciousness we have infinite worlds to
experience and enjoy.

Stop reading all these people who vibrate at the lowest rung of
negativity. You'll find lots of them on this forum who will tell you
that we are all fucked and life is shit.

That is their belief so that IS the reality they will and no doubt
right now are experiening.

But it does not HAVE to be your reality.


So relax, nothing to be depressed about As icke once wrote:Youre the ultimate space cadet merchant seanx, all our arses are presently stuck in the elites created/driven matrix, and without the help of a large majority of people (who are fucked) it CANNOT be changed, its no good daydreaming up your own asshole it changes NOTHING in the matrix.

[redman]

Yes! :)

And if Icke truly believed this.

" Remember there is nothing to fear. Life is forever and everything is just an experience on the road to enlightenment. Viewed from the highest level of
perception, there is no good and evil, only consciousness making choices
to experience all there is to experience. The astonishing events which
this book exposes are in the process of coming to an end as the light
of freedom downs at last…….it is, despite some of the information you
are about to read, a wonderful time to be alive ".


Then what would be the point in spending hours talking about how bad TPTB are and how they want to kill us all.


Am I the only one to see the contradiction here ?? It reminds me of the end of Crime watch after they have just been pumping you full of fear for an hour then they say " don't have nightmares " etc.


If Icke truly believed that statement then why would he give two flying fucks about Illuminati, NWO, reptilians controlling the planet etc etc etc. And I am a great fan of Icke, but after hearing one of his talks does it leave you with a feeling that it's a great time to be alive ?? Seriously. No it doesn't.


So we can waffle on about consciousness and making choices, but that to me sounds like the mindset of a person who does have the option of having some kind of choice... Go and tell that to the millions around the world who simply do not have any choice whats so ever. People starving to death, getting bombs dropped on them, dying of curable diseases.

These people do not have a choice, and they will most definitely not think it's a great time to be alive.

So sorry I can't be all positive, but I like to look at things from other peoples perspectives. Very easy to lose yourself in the whole concept of consciousness from the comfort of your own home sat there using the Internet not caring about if a bomb is going to land on top of you any minute or where your next meal is coming from.

[reptileslayer]

http://relax.forum2u.org/logos/relax/relax_7_.jpg :)frankie says :d

[measle_weasel]

Looks like avoidance to me, most of this. Face losing everything. That means mentally get your head around no house, no purchasing, no bill paying, no dole, no nothing but your own resourcefulness.

When your head is in this place you can stop paying everything. Depending on current position it can take years for anything to actually happen.

Waiting for everyone else has failure written all over it to me.

Non co-operation will only be an effective option for a limited time. Use it or prepare for a truly horrendous outcome.

No change and this all going away is NOT an option at all. But people cannot easily face change and most really mean... How can we win and I still retain my current lifestyle. Not happening. Get over it. Stop co-operating. You CAN, so why pretend you CAN'T. Because you don't like the option.

I agree with all of this.

The NWO will offer people the false promise of a life resembling their current one if they just continue to serve the elite. Of course, many people will trust them, and continue to serve, gambling that the elite will keep their promise, and allow their slaves to retain some sembalance of their current life.

As we all should know, any promise made by the elite is only made to string the public along, and no promise is ever made with the intention of fulfilling it.

Change is going to happen, regardless of how little the public likes it or not.

[measle_weasel]

Am I the only one to see the contradiction here ??

Some of us do indeed see the contradictions, so youre not alone.

[oceanwave]

I appreciate your honest answer beldazar.
It takes a lot from a person to admit they don't have a solution.

There is nobody on the internet atleast that has a real solution for these problems. I keep researching and researching...But nothing.
Only spiritual advices. "Free yourself, don't be this and that..." And those are fine, Im following them myself and trying to stay positive,
but I can't turn my back from the reality, which is that we are being sucked in to a black hole and we still have no solution on how that can be stopped!

I know we are all trying, but we have to admit that we have no solution.
We can discuss pamplets and informing others,
but why do all that when the question will ALWAYS be:
"What can we do?" We can't provide the answer to that.

What we need is a damn miracle...
...in an ever constant changing world/reality/dimension

there can never be a 'solution'

the only solution, as it were, is to 'own' yourself...

and make use of the only true power/freedom you have,..

which is...

...choice...

[polveirbecker]

My honest advice on what you should do is don’t be greedy. This means invading peoples free time to talk about conspiracy theories. If people are genuinely interested in you then they will have a debate with you about such truth seeking.

Do you like it when a sales person is on the phone to you?

NO.

We are human and people come to us and don’t get selected to come to us like the elite.

[reptileslayer]

These types of threads are made often, but there has never been even ONE solution that would take those 6000 people out. Not even one.
This is the mainreason why we are still in this crap and will continue being in it.

I know I always try to stay positive and probably tomorrow I'll be back to my old "normal" optimistic self,
but I am saddened by the fact that there is honestly nothing we can do.
I know most of us don't want to acknowledge that and probably we shouldn't, since it's better to always be optimistic...
But whenever you come up with even one small solution, you find another problem that is bigger than the last.

Icke says: "They can only control us because we allow ourselves to be controlled".

Yeah, like it's that simple. How can you NOT let them control you, when they take away all of your necessities?
If they tell you that you can only get meat at Walmart, where will you find yourself? Walmart.
"Find a way to say no to that, you little anarchist."
Or what? Are you going to say no to meat? No to fruits? Please.
One famous example of this is my mother:
"I know they know at what time I use the bus, where I go with it and etc,
but how am I gonna stop that when I don't have the money for a car?
They don't give me another option but to be followed."

WHAT the hell am I going to say to that? Has anyone honestly ever thought that?

And the other saying: "If no one shows up to war, there is no war."

Do you guys honestly think this works? I know it might work on a few smart people, but let's be real here. It doesn't work on everybody.
"You're fighting for Your country!" One smooth talker and he/she will talk you in to anything. This is how it works.

Informing other people changes what? Nothing.
They know, but then they ask you the famous question:
"What can we do?"
And you say: "Uhh....LOOK! A bird!" And then you run away.

I get this question asked all the time and I always say: "Just inform other people. It's good to know."
But really, why is it good to know when we don't have a solution? I certainly don't and it angers me.

Even Icke doesn't have a solution. "Don't let them control you."
HOOOOOOOOOW can I not when the system is everywhere?
Move to a farm? Give me money! I'll be there in a nano-second!
No money? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

I hate myself when I turn in to this negative little troll.
(not that Im trolling, but I feel like one. Literally.)Ok sade you ask for a solution to this, and what can we really do to deal with it. Well here goes
i will give you a basic run down of my answer to this problem.
Firstly i agree with what you have said about Icke i feel that Alex Jones takes a similar stance, his response to you very important question is, we just have to get the truth out to as many people as we can..........er then what Alex? he just then goes into a loop and repeats the mantra over again.
My view of what they are both doing is that they are refusing to step over the line, and declare right lets go its time to take them out. Which of course in my view is a sheer contradiction, they say our situation is dire they are evil
blah blah, but they are refusing to go head to head with them.

OK now the basics of my solution, there must be at least a few million people
worldwide who now know the truth about the NWO to varying degrees, so it is now time for them ALL to grow up, and take responsibility for their own lifes their own thinking, and for the collective well being of our WHOLE race of humans on this planet.

Whether you believe the stuff about the bloodline families etc is now really a mute point, what is abundantly clear is that the present 'political democratic'
systems we have in our societies are Totally inadequate and unacceptable, and clearly need to be removed and completely changed.

So imo it is down to the few million people around the world, who know/realise
that this situation needs to be dealt with, To get together and organise a major and relentlous move on the elite political figures, and remove them and shut down ALL their political systems, then it is ALL our responsibilities to design and build a new system that is Totally in the interest and well being of the WHOLE HUMAN RACE.

Ok whether you agree with me or not, i have just stated and done something both Icke and jones have NEVER done. And that is giving you a direct pro-active solution after stepping over the line.

I look forward to everyones comments. :)

[amethyst]

Completely ineffective, there is no time for that now, and most people are completely incapable of operation in that way/level. And it doesnt remove the illuminati does it.

Well, I don't know about you, but I am making a choice not to live in fear or to adopt the false mindset that the world tells me to adopt. You may think that's naive, but it does start with one person- and that person is YOU.

You can't control what others do, but you certainly do have the ability to control what you do and what you choose. And when all my rights are taken away, I still have the choice to be FREE in my mind because it's all about perspective.

There is evil in this world, but a person can overcome the evil by making choices not to be evil and do good, and not to accept the evil mindset that some who set the selfish agendas of this world make.

I have the choice to reject that mindset. So do you, if you think about it.

[reptileslayer]

...in an ever constant changing world/reality/dimension

there can never be a 'solution'

the only solution, as it were, is to 'own' yourself...

and make use of the only true power/freedom you have,..

which is...

...choice...Just ducking and dodging excuses. Ridiculous!

[reptileslayer]

Well, I don't know about you, but I am making a choice not to live in fear or to adopt the false mindset that the world tells me to adopt. You may think that's naive, but it does start with one person- and that person is YOU.

You can't control what others do, but you certainly do have the ability to control what you do and what you choose. And when all my rights are taken away, I still have the choice to be FREE in my mind because it's all about perspective.

There is evil in this world, but a person can overcome the evil by making choices not to be evil and do good, and not to accept the evil mindset that some who set the selfish agendas of this world make.

I have the choice to reject that mindset. So do you, if you think about it.So i guess that you have capitulated, and that youre going to live up your own asshole, when the going gets tough. Thats sad i'm afraid that youre a coward.

[redman]

Ok sade you ask for a solution to this, and what can we really do to deal with it. Well here goes
i will give you a basic run down of my answer to this problem.
Firstly i agree with what you have said about Icke i feel that Alex Jones takes a similar stance, his response to you very important question is, we just have to get the truth out to as many people as we can..........er then what Alex? he just then goes into a loop and repeats the mantra over again.
My view of what they are both doing is that they are refusing to step over the line, and declare right lets go its time to take them out. Which of course in my view is a sheer contradiction, they say our situation is dire they are evil
blah blah, but they are refusing to go head to head with them.

OK now the basics of my solution, there must be at least a few million people
worldwide who now know the truth about the NWO to varying degrees, so it is now time for them ALL to grow up, and take responsibility for their own lifes their own thinking, and for the collective well being of our WHOLE race of humans on this planet.

Whether you believe the stuff about the bloodline families etc is now really a mute point, what is abundantly clear is that the present 'political democratic'
systems we have in our societies are Totally inadequate and unacceptable, and clearly need to be removed and completely changed.

So imo it is down to the few million people around the world, who know/realise
that this situation needs to be dealt with, To get together and organise a major and relentlous move on the elite political figures, and remove them and shut down ALL their political systems, then it is ALL our responsibilities to design and build a new system that is Totally in the interest and well being of the WHOLE HUMAN RACE.

Ok whether you agree with me or not, i have just stated and done something both Icke and jones have NEVER done. And that is giving you a direct pro-active solution after stepping over the line.

I look forward to everyones comments. :)



Good post.


A lot better than the... I will go and meditate and hope to fuck everything gets better outlook.

[oceanwave]

Just ducking and dodging excuses. Ridiculous!

hmm...

owning yourself and all of your actions of the choices you ever make, do,..

which, effects all on every vibration is...

an 'excuse' of "ducking and dodging"?

then, ridiculous i am!

:D

[amethyst]

You haven't offered any solution reptileslayer. Only criticisms. What do YOU propose?

Edit: Okay, I stand corrected. I saw your "answer" a few posts up.

But how do you know it isn't happening already? I have faith in the good people "with eyes to see" will do the necessary work to bring change- their way and not someone else's way.

[reptileslayer]

My honest advice on what you should do is don’t be greedy. This means invading peoples free time to talk about conspiracy theories. If people are genuinely interested in you then they will have a debate with you about such truth seeking.

Do you like it when a sales person is on the phone to you?

NO.

We are human and people come to us and don’t get selected to come to us like the elite.I think this situation is a bit more serious than phone sales mate! f****** HELL get a grip!

[reptileslayer]

You haven't offered any solution reptileslayer. Only criticisms. What do YOU propose?Please read my post to sade.

[seanx]

reptileslayer wrote:
Youre the ultimate space cadet merchant seanx, all our arses are presently stuck in the elites created/driven matrix, and without the help of a large majority of people (who are fucked) it CANNOT be changed, its no good daydreaming up your own asshole it changes NOTHING in the matrix.

You're one of those people I talk about. The negative 'assholes'
who spread nothing but their vile negativity.

Your thought patterns are Totally OWNED and controlled by the
Elite.

Go against the Elite's model of the world and you are a 'ultimate
space cadet merchant '

Your reactions are so predictable - so News of the World.

Listen mate I went to london when I left school - I spent 2
years sleeping on dirty floors - when I came across the ideas of
dave icke and Stuart Wilde.

Luckly I wasn't as brainwashed by the Elite as you- so I was able to
open my mind these ideas and put them into practice

Today, mate I'm financially independent - so I'm sad to have
to tell you these IDEAS are NOT AN ESCAPE FROM REALITY.
They are not for the 'ultimate space cadet merchant' as you NEED
to believe.

They are an aid to help UNDERSTAND and ENJOY this reality.

But here's my bet: (judging from the absolute negativity of your
posts and how you believe you are powerless ) the Elite probably
have you in a condition where you probably have fuck all money
or freedom .

That's why you react so violently to any positive message.

[reptileslayer]

Good post.


A lot better than the... I will go and meditate and hope to fuck everything gets better outlook.Thanks Redman congrats for having your head together. :D

[amethyst]

Good post.


A lot better than the... I will go and meditate and hope to fuck everything gets better outlook.

You completely miss it. That is not what others are advocating.

[amethyst]

Please read my post to sade.

Read my edit in my former post.

[reptileslayer]

reptileslayer wrote:


You're one of those people I talk about. The negative 'assholes'
who spread nothing but their vile negativity.

Your thought patterns are Totally OWNED and controlled by the
Elite.

Go against the Elite's model of the world and you are a 'ultimate
space cadet merchant '

Your reactions are so predictable - so News of the World.

Listen mate I went to london when I left school - I spent 2
years sleeping on dirty floors - when I came across the ideas of
dave icke and Stuart Wilde.

Luckly I wasn't as brainwashed by the Elite as you- so I was able to
open my mind these ideas and put them into practice

Today, mate I'm financially independent - so I'm sad to have
to tell you these IDEAS are NOT AN ESCAPE FROM REALITY.
They are not for the 'ultimate space cadet merchant' as you NEED
to believe.

They are an aid to help UNDERSTAND and ENJOY this reality.

But here's my bet: (judging from the absolute negativity of your
posts and how you believe you are powerless ) the Elite probably
have you in a condition where you probably have fuck all money
or freedom .

That's why you react so violently to any positive message.
NO what angers me, is when i hear completely irrelevant ineffective crap like yours. Its very suspicous.

[reptileslayer]

You haven't offered any solution reptileslayer. Only criticisms. What do YOU propose?

Edit: Okay, I stand corrected. I saw your "answer" a few posts up.

But how do you know it isn't happening already? I have faith in the good people "with eyes to see" will do the necessary work to bring change- their way and not someone else's way.Well youre obviously one of the people who can see so lets get joining together.

[amethyst]

So i guess that you have capitulated, and that youre going to live up your own asshole, when the going gets tough. Thats sad i'm afraid that youre a coward.

I think this is a strange reaction to what I wrote as I believe it wholeheartedly.. Sorry you feel this way.

[reptileslayer]

I think this is a strange reaction to what I wrote as I believe it wholeheartedly.. Sorry you feel this way.I am sorry that ive offened you :o Its that i always go right to the bone with my opinions.

[amethyst]

Well youre obviously one of the people who can see so lets get joining together.

What if I don't choose to join with you or do it "your way'?

You seem to be advocating that "your way' is the only right way to be effective.

If what you think you are doing is going about it the "right way", others will be in agreement and join with you. You don't need to "shout' to be heard to get your point across.

A whisper can sometimes be more effective.

[amethyst]

I am sorry that ive offened you :o Its that i always go right to the bone with my opinions.

You haven't offended me in the least. I am just disagreeing with your conclusions.

[redman]

You completely miss it. That is not what others are advocating.



Well alls I hear is bull shit, and you know what I have studied all the spiritual stuff, seen the docs and yeah it's a great concept. And I do get the whole message.


But sorry, it isn't the answer to the problems that are facing us and it's most definitely no solution.



Somewhere along the line some of us are going to have to get our hands dirty and fight this shit. Far to many contradictions and a lot of sat round doing fuck all about anything with the selfish outlook of " I'm so enlightened and awake " that everything is going to be just great.



If only the next few years were going to be that easy.

[reptileslayer]

You haven't offended me in the least. I am just disagreeing with your conclusions.OK i am awaiting your effective solution. :)

[reptileslayer]

Well alls I hear is bull shit, and you know what I have studied all the spiritual stuff, seen the docs and yeah it's a great concept. And I do get the whole message.


But sorry, it isn't the answer to the problems that are facing us and it's most definitely no solution.



Somewhere along the line some of us are going to have to get our hands dirty and fight this shit. Far to many contradictions and a lot of sat round doing fuck all about anything with the selfish outlook of " I'm so enlightened and awake " that everything is going to be just great.



If only the next few years were going to be that easy.
You are totally correct Redman sometimes these 'people' anger me more than the elite, i am sick of their selfish and cowardly ducking and diving its part of the reason,
why the elite are running wild.

[seanx]

reptileslayer wrote:

NO what angers me, is when i hear completely irrelevant ineffective crap like yours. Its very suspicous.

Reading your 'solution' here's another guess. You're probably 19
or 20 - with no money or job - and you think the solution to your
problem is to get rid of - or kill the people who you believe
are responsible for the position you find yourself in.

Listen mate, instead of wasting your life tring to kill the people
who are fucking you up, LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SEE THE PERSON
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE - YOU.

Or more accurately, the belief patterns that the Elite
have implanted in you through their educational and media control

tHE eLITE CAN'T CONTROL YOU - ONCE YOU UNDERSTSAND
THEIR GAME - IE THE NATURE OF REALITY.

And all we need is a CRITICAL MASS of people to really understand
and LIVE OUT these ideas and they will spread automatically
throughout the entire collective unconscious.

Then, Get some money together and buy a copy of stuart Wilde book
'the trick to money is having some'.

Hell of a lot easier than trying to wripe out thousands of people.

[reptileslayer]

Ok sade you ask for a solution to this, and what can we really do to deal with it. Well here goes
i will give you a basic run down of my answer to this problem.
Firstly i agree with what you have said about Icke i feel that Alex Jones takes a similar stance, his response to you very important question is, we just have to get the truth out to as many people as we can..........er then what Alex? he just then goes into a loop and repeats the mantra over again.
My view of what they are both doing is that they are refusing to step over the line, and declare right lets go its time to take them out. Which of course in my view is a sheer contradiction, they say our situation is dire they are evil
blah blah, but they are refusing to go head to head with them.

OK now the basics of my solution, there must be at least a few million people
worldwide who now know the truth about the NWO to varying degrees, so it is now time for them ALL to grow up, and take responsibility for their own lifes their own thinking, and for the collective well being of our WHOLE race of humans on this planet.

Whether you believe the stuff about the bloodline families etc is now really a mute point, what is abundantly clear is that the present 'political democratic'
systems we have in our societies are Totally inadequate and unacceptable, and clearly need to be removed and completely changed.

So imo it is down to the few million people around the world, who know/realise
that this situation needs to be dealt with, To get together and organise a major and relentlous move on the elite political figures, and remove them and shut down ALL their political systems, then it is ALL our responsibilities to design and build a new system that is Totally in the interest and well being of the WHOLE HUMAN RACE.

Ok whether you agree with me or not, i have just stated and done something both Icke and jones have NEVER done. And that is giving you a direct pro-active solution after stepping over the line.

I look forward to everyones comments. :)

OK STILL NO direct responses to my solution. I wonder why :rolleyes:

[reptileslayer]

reptileslayer wrote:



Reading your 'solution' here's another guess. You're probably 19
or 20 - with no money or job - and you think the solution to your
problem is to get rid of - or kill the people who you believe
are responsible for the position you find yourself in.

Listen mate, instead of wasting your life tring to kill the people
who are fucking you up, LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SEE THE PERSON
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE - YOU.

Or more accurately, the belief patterns that the Elite
have implanted in you through their educational and media control

tHE eLITE CAN'T CONTROL YOU - ONCE YOU UNDERSTSAND
THEIR GAME - IE THE NATURE OF REALITY.

And all we need is a CRITICAL MASS of people to really understand
and LIVE OUT these ideas and they will spread automatically
throughout the entire collective unconscious.

Then, Get some money together and buy a copy of stuart Wilde book
'the trick to money is having some'.

Hell of a lot easier than trying to wripe out thousands of people.
LOL youre off youre trolly sheanx :D

[amethyst]

OK i am awaiting your effective solution. :)

Well I can't speak in specifics as I don't know yours or anyone else's individual situation, but for example, if you see someone who is 'doing without' and doesn't have the strength or means to get more provisions- help them out by giving them some of yours. Everyone else always has more than the next guy.

In simple terms, if you "see" a need, fill it. If you see an injustice, and if it's within your ablity to rectify it, then take action and do so. Your example, may be the catalyst towards influencing someone else to take that same step.

[john connor]

Well alls I hear is bull shit, and you know what I have studied all the spiritual stuff, seen the docs and yeah it's a great concept. And I do get the whole message.


But sorry, it isn't the answer to the problems that are facing us and it's most definitely no solution.



Somewhere along the line some of us are going to have to get our hands dirty and fight this shit. Far to many contradictions and a lot of sat round doing fuck all about anything with the selfish outlook of " I'm so enlightened and awake " that everything is going to be just great.




If only the next few years were going to be that easy.

Yeah I have to agree, like you Im a musician (ex) and a writer not a fighter (borrowed that line :-) but better to die standing up than live on your knees, I figure they are killing us anyway, chemtrails, codex, wars take your pic and sorry peeps, I dont believe we have years, someone said it needs a spark to light the fire, I guess we await someone with a light

[reptileslayer]

Yeah I have to agree, like you Im a musician (ex) and a writer not a fighter (borrowed that line :-) but better to die standing up than live on your knees, I figure they are killing us anyway, chemtrails, codex, wars take your pic and sorry peeps, I dont believe we have years, someone said it needs a spark to light the fire, I guess we await someone with a light
Someone give me a lighter then i'm ready :D

[redman]

reptileslayer wrote:



Reading your 'solution' here's another guess. You're probably 19
or 20 - with no money or job - and you think the solution to your
problem is to get rid of - or kill the people who you believe
are responsible for the position you find yourself in.

Listen mate, instead of wasting your life tring to kill the people
who are fucking you up, LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SEE THE PERSON
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE - YOU.

Or more accurately, the belief patterns that the Elite
have implanted in you through their educational and media control

tHE eLITE CAN'T CONTROL YOU - ONCE YOU UNDERSTSAND
THEIR GAME - IE THE NATURE OF REALITY.

And all we need is a CRITICAL MASS of people to really understand
and LIVE OUT these ideas and they will spread automatically
throughout the entire collective unconscious.

Then, Get some money together and buy a copy of stuart Wilde book
'the trick to money is having some'.

Hell of a lot easier than trying to wripe out thousands of people.



So your talking like you know the nature of reality and that the elite don't control you, am I correct ??


Also what happens if we do get a critical mass of people to really understand and live out these ideas but fuck all happens. What if that happens. It's a very big possibility. Also looking at the planet in the current state it's in it's not very realistic and in my opinion it simply ain't going to happen.


So what now... if we are going off a lot of the reports and stories flying about we have around 4 years to pull something out of ass's before it's to late... We have already established that your solution is simply not going to happen. So have you got any realistic, possible solutions.

[amethyst]

There is a saying: "Instead of cursing the darkness, light a candle".

I think it's good.

[oceanwave]

You are totally correct Redman sometimes these 'people' anger me more than the elite, i am sick of their selfish and cowardly ducking and diving its part of the reason,
why the elite are running wild.

hey f'wit, you haven't responded to me..

therefore you accept my 'ducking and diving' as valid,.. eh?

cheers!

:D

[reptileslayer]

So your talking like you know the nature of reality and that the elite don't control you, am I correct ??


Also what happens if we do get a critical mass of people to really understand and live out these ideas but fuck all happens. What if that happens. It's a very big possibility. Also looking at the planet in the current state it's in it's not very realistic and in my opinion it simply ain't going to happen.


So what now... if we are going off a lot of the reports and stories flying about we have around 4 years to pull something out of ass's before it's to late... We have already established that your solution is simply not going to happen. So have you got any realistic, possible solutions.
That was seanx crap not mine ok. Just thought i would clear that up cos it says reptileslayer says, its not its seanx.

[reptileslayer]

hey f'wit, you haven't responded to me..

therefore you accept my 'ducking and diving' as valid,.. eh?

cheers!

:D
If you read through all my posts i make it clear that a ducker and diver is a coward, so that means by definition your are a ducking and diving coward.

[redman]

reptileslayer wrote:



Reading your 'solution' here's another guess. You're probably 19
or 20 - with no money or job - and you think the solution to your
problem is to get rid of - or kill the people who you believe
are responsible for the position you find yourself in.

Listen mate, instead of wasting your life tring to kill the people
who are fucking you up, LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SEE THE PERSON
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE - YOU.

Or more accurately, the belief patterns that the Elite
have implanted in you through their educational and media control

tHE eLITE CAN'T CONTROL YOU - ONCE YOU UNDERSTSAND
THEIR GAME - IE THE NATURE OF REALITY.

And all we need is a CRITICAL MASS of people to really understand
and LIVE OUT these ideas and they will spread automatically
throughout the entire collective unconscious.

Then, Get some money together and buy a copy of stuart Wilde book
'the trick to money is having some'.

Hell of a lot easier than trying to wripe out thousands of people.




So are you saying that people getting killed every day in wars, famine, curable diseases are dying and it's down to THEM or it's down to US ie ME ??


Seriously, you are saying that we should just look at ourselves and sort ourselves out ( can you actually explain what that means ?? ) and then thats all the worlds problems solved and TPTB will somehow vanish into thin air.


Is this what you are implying...??

[seanx]

OK STILL NO direct responses to my solution. I wonder why

Are you serious?

Have you even ever BOTHERED to read anything that Icke writes
on this subject

I mean you're on HIS forum - yet you think that killing all your
enemies is the solution.

So if that is YOUR mentality - how do you differ from the Elite,
who have the exact SAME mentality.

So maybe you're not that much different from them. Maybe you
share some of their DNA - which we all do.

Things are not as black and white as they first appear, are they?

[redman]

That was seanx crap not mine ok. Just thought i would clear that up cos it says reptileslayer says, its not its seanx.

:D


Don't know why the fuck that happened... LMAO

[reptileslayer]

Are you serious?

Have you even ever BOTHERED to read anything that Icke writes
on this subject

I mean you're on HIS forum - yet you think that killing all your
enemies is the solution.

So if that is YOUR mentality - how do you differ from the Elite,
who have the exact SAME mentality.

So maybe you're not that much different from them. Maybe you
share some of their DNA - which we all do.

Things are not as black and white as they first appear, are they?
Its cos most people are scared cowards, and waffle merchants (like you) they know that i am right, but as usual they will duck and dive and spew shite until they are marching into the gas chambers. GRRRRRRRRRR so F****** annoying, its like being stuck on the titanic as its sinking.

[john connor]

Are you serious?

Have you even ever BOTHERED to read anything that Icke writes
on this subject

I mean you're on HIS forum - yet you think that killing all your
enemies is the solution.

So if that is YOUR mentality - how do you differ from the Elite,
who have the exact SAME mentality.

So maybe you're not that much different from them. Maybe you
share some of their DNA - which we all do.

Things are not as black and white as they first appear, are they?

And if things like the FEMA camps are true what do you suggest they do when their doors are kicked in and they come to throw them in trucks? all the things happening are being speeded up, its def coming to a conclusion IMO I have kids and I will fight to protect them

[reptileslayer]

:D


Don't know why the fuck that happened... LMAO
LOL i dont want my credibility or sanity wrecking just yet Redman, i'm enjoying kicking ass too much :D

[redman]

Are you serious?

Have you even ever BOTHERED to read anything that Icke writes
on this subject

I mean you're on HIS forum - yet you think that killing all your
enemies is the solution.

So if that is YOUR mentality - how do you differ from the Elite,
who have the exact SAME mentality.

So maybe you're not that much different from them. Maybe you
share some of their DNA - which we all do.

Things are not as black and white as they first appear, are they?




As I stated earlier in this thread that I have a problem with the concept you are saying and I even said that what Icke is saying lays a big contradiction, because if it was as easy as your saying and if Icke truly believed that the world and this time is a great place to be living in and nothing really matters cos we are all one etc... Then why does he waste his time for several hours at a time going through how there are Illuminati blood lines going back thousands of years are ruling things, reptilians, and the whole they are trying to control us and kill us off.

To me there is a huge contradiction there. If it's as simple as look in the mirror etc, then we simply would not be in this mess.


Can you see the contradiction there, can you see how those two things don't tie in with each other.

[reptileslayer]

And if things like the FEMA camps are true what do you suggest they do when their doors are kicked in and they come to throw them in trucks? all the things happening are being speeded up, its def coming to a conclusion IMO I have kids and I will fight to protect them
Respect to you John i am with you all the way buddy.

[oceanwave]

If you read through all my posts i make it clear that a ducker and diver is a coward, so that means by definition your are a ducking and diving coward.
by your definition

it is clear to me that you don't read and digest..as evidenced with my earlier post to you

it seems you're all words and no substance,...

i.e....you don't look, you just see


btw there are no heroes nor cowards...

...just beings who, like a spark, can change the world,...

...regardless...

[knightbk]

We need anarchy!

That way, we can just kill anybody that has something we want. That is the way god intended us to be!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[john connor]

Respect to you John i am with you all the way buddy.

Thanks but Like I said Im a writer not a fighter it's just having looked at as much of the puzzle as I have, I see no alternative, it will not go away, good vibes will not stop them, we all die anyway so at least lets have a choice in how we die

[reptileslayer]

We need anarchy!

That way, we can just kill anybody that has something we want. That is the way god intended us to be!!!!!

:rolleyes:
Well go and join the elite scum then, thats what they do.

[john connor]

We need anarchy!

That way, we can just kill anybody that has something we want. That is the way god intended us to be!!!!!

:rolleyes:

er no we need Unity, solidarity

[reptileslayer]

Thanks but Like I said Im a writer not a fighter it's just having looked at as much of the puzzle as I have, I see no alternative, it will not go away, good vibes will not stop them, we all die anyway so at least lets have a choice in how we die
Correct, good luck my friend.

[redman]

by your definition

it is clear to me that you don't read and digest..as evidenced with my earlier post to you

it seems you're all words and no substance,...

i.e....you don't look, you just see


btw there are no heroes nor cowards...

...just beings who, like a spark, can change the world,...

...regardless...



Here is a interesting quote from Cus D'mato... Famous boxing old school boxing trainer.


"What is the difference between a hero and a coward? There ain?t no difference. Inside they?re both exactly alike. They?re both scared of dying or getting hurt. It?s what the hero does that makes him a hero. What the other guy doesn?t do makes him a coward."

Fear is the greatest obstacle to learning in any area, but particularly in boxing. For example, boxing is something you learn through repetition. You do it over and over and suddenly you’ve got it. …However, in the course of trying to learn, if you get hit and get hurt, this makes you cautious, and when you’re cautious you can’t repeat it, and when you can’t repeat it, it’s going to delay the learning process…When they…come up to the gym and say I want to be a fighter, the first thing I’d do was talk to them about fear…I would always use…the same example of the deer crossing an open field and upon approaching the clearing suddenly instinct tells him danger is there, and nature begins the survival process, which involves the body releasing adrenalin into the bloodstream, causing the heart to beat faster and enabling the deer to perform extraordinarily feats of agility and strength…It enables the deer to get out of range of the danger, helps him escape to the safety of the forest across the clearing…an example in which fear is your friend.
The thing a kid in the street fears the most is to be called yellow or chicken, and sometimes a kid will do the most stupid, wild, crazy things just to hide how scared he is. I often tell them that while fear is such an obnoxious thing, an embarrassing thing…nevertheless it is your friend, because anytime anyone saves your life perhaps a dozen times a day, no matter what how obnoxious he is, you’ve got to look upon him as a friend, and this is what fear is…Since nature gave us fear in order to help us survive, we cannot look upon it as an enemy. Just think how many times a day a person would die if he had no fear. He’d walk in front of cars, he’d die a dozen times a day. Fear is a protective mechanism….By talking to the fighters about fear I cut the learning time maybe as much as half, sometimes more, depending on the individual.”

[seanx]

reptileslayer wrote:

Its cos most people are scared cowards, and waffle merchants (like you) they know that i am right, but as usual they will duck and dive and spew shite until they are marching into the gas chambers. GRRRRRRRRRR so F****** annoying, its like being stuck on the titanic as its sinking.

Your answer, Sir reveals your immaturity.

But tell me because I'll ask you again:

If that is YOUR mentality - how do you differ from the Elite,
who have the exact SAME mentality.

Could it be that you are talking bullshit?

[redman]

Mad thing is I love watching the likes of Esoteric Agenda and Kymatica.. great docs and I definitley feel like there is a whole lot of truth to whats getting said. But sorry like there are 6 billion people on this planet and I know which way all this shit is heading, and I am going to get myself spiritually ready cos I happen to like doing it, makes me feel positive.


But I get the feeling that some people I come across don't actually believe or don't actually understand how close we are to our lives dramatically changing very soon... and it's not for the better thats for sure. Now that ain't being negative and that ain't fear mongering.. they are facts, take a look around man. Thats why we are all on this fucking site cos we know deep down that something is going to give and a lot of us have known it for a very long time.


Alls I am saying is, I wish all this was as simple as look in the mirror... sort yourself out... and all the rest of it. I think some people better start waking the fuck up and fast.

[oceanwave]

Here is a interesting quote from Cus D'mato... Famous boxing old school boxing trainer.


"What is the difference between a hero and a coward? There ain?t no difference. Inside they?re both exactly alike. They?re both scared of dying or getting hurt. It?s what the hero does that makes him a hero. What the other guy doesn?t do makes him a coward."

Fear is the greatest obstacle to learning in any area, but particularly in boxing. For example, boxing is something you learn through repetition. You do it over and over and suddenly you’ve got it. …However, in the course of trying to learn, if you get hit and get hurt, this makes you cautious, and when you’re cautious you can’t repeat it, and when you can’t repeat it, it’s going to delay the learning process…When they…come up to the gym and say I want to be a fighter, the first thing I’d do was talk to them about fear…I would always use…the same example of the deer crossing an open field and upon approaching the clearing suddenly instinct tells him danger is there, and nature begins the survival process, which involves the body releasing adrenalin into the bloodstream, causing the heart to beat faster and enabling the deer to perform extraordinarily feats of agility and strength…It enables the deer to get out of range of the danger, helps him escape to the safety of the forest across the clearing…an example in which fear is your friend.
The thing a kid in the street fears the most is to be called yellow or chicken, and sometimes a kid will do the most stupid, wild, crazy things just to hide how scared he is. I often tell them that while fear is such an obnoxious thing, an embarrassing thing…nevertheless it is your friend, because anytime anyone saves your life perhaps a dozen times a day, no matter what how obnoxious he is, you’ve got to look upon him as a friend, and this is what fear is…Since nature gave us fear in order to help us survive, we cannot look upon it as an enemy. Just think how many times a day a person would die if he had no fear. He’d walk in front of cars, he’d die a dozen times a day. Fear is a protective mechanism….By talking to the fighters about fear I cut the learning time maybe as much as half, sometimes more, depending on the individual.”

good response, however i am not talking about fear

i am talking about pivotal moments, where being either a hero or coward has a beneficial effect...

i.e mahatma ghandi (coward, if you like) vs geronimo (hero, if you like) or jesus vs leonadis
etc etc etc

[redman]

Anyway im fucking off to watch Michael Jennings vs Cotto.


Come on Jennings lad.



See ya later fucko's.

[reptileslayer]

reptileslayer wrote:



Your answer, Sir reveals your immaturity.

But tell me because I'll ask you again:

If that is YOUR mentality - how do you differ from the Elite,
who have the exact SAME mentality.

Could it be that you are talking bullshit?
Youre a perfect orwellion doublespeak candidate seanx, you say things and you dont seem to realise that your talking about yourself. :D

[lenejento]

Ok sade you ask for a solution to this, and what can we really do to deal with it. Well here goes
i will give you a basic run down of my answer to this problem.
Firstly i agree with what you have said about Icke i feel that Alex Jones takes a similar stance, his response to you very important question is, we just have to get the truth out to as many people as we can..........er then what Alex? he just then goes into a loop and repeats the mantra over again.
My view of what they are both doing is that they are refusing to step over the line, and declare right lets go its time to take them out. Which of course in my view is a sheer contradiction, they say our situation is dire they are evil
blah blah, but they are refusing to go head to head with them.

OK now the basics of my solution, there must be at least a few million people
worldwide who now know the truth about the NWO to varying degrees, so it is now time for them ALL to grow up, and take responsibility for their own lifes their own thinking, and for the collective well being of our WHOLE race of humans on this planet.

Whether you believe the stuff about the bloodline families etc is now really a mute point, what is abundantly clear is that the present 'political democratic'
systems we have in our societies are Totally inadequate and unacceptable, and clearly need to be removed and completely changed.

So imo it is down to the few million people around the world, who know/realise
that this situation needs to be dealt with, To get together and organise a major and relentlous move on the elite political figures, and remove them and shut down ALL their political systems, then it is ALL our responsibilities to design and build a new system that is Totally in the interest and well being of the WHOLE HUMAN RACE.

Ok whether you agree with me or not, i have just stated and done something both Icke and jones have NEVER done. And that is giving you a direct pro-active solution after stepping over the line.

I look forward to everyones comments. :)

Maybe the lack of respones is because it's abit of a chaotic plan, so many lose ends here it's hard to know what it's implying.

[reptileslayer]

Maybe the lack of respones is because it's abit of a chaotic plan, so many lose ends here it's hard to know what it's implying.
Like i said its a basic outline, i cant give you the whole thing on a forum thread.

[seanx]

Redman wrote:

As I stated earlier in this thread that I have a problem with the concept you are saying and I even said that what Icke is saying lays a big contradiction, because if it was as easy as your saying and if Icke truly believed that the world and this time is a great place to be living in and nothing really matters cos we are all one etc... Then why does he waste his time for several hours at a time going through how there are Illuminati blood lines going back thousands of years are ruling things, reptilians, and the whole they are trying to control us and kill us off.

To me there is a huge contradiction there. If it's as simple as look in the mirror etc, then we simply would not be in this mess.


Can you see the contradiction there, can you see how those two things don't tie in with each other.

Icke covers it completely in the second part of the book-
Tales of the Time Loop.

He takes over 200 pages to expalin the nature of the matrix as
he sees it and how all the different realites affect each other.

There is no easy, short-cut answer -than actually sitting down and
reading the book - if you are genuine in your enquiry.

[reptileslayer]

Redman wrote:



Icke covers it completely in the second part of the book-
Tales of the Time Loop.

He takes over 200 pages to expalin the nature of the matrix as
he sees it and how all the different realites affect each other.

There is no easy, short-cut answer -than actually sitting down and
reading the book - if you are genuine in your enquiry.
Right Redmans reading the book as the elite footsoldiers kick down his door! ave you not noticed that time is seriously running out.

[lenejento]

Like i said its a basic outline, i cant give you the whole thing on a forum thread.

I understand.
Do you REALLY think it would work?

[reptileslayer]

I understand.
Do you REALLY think it would work?
Yes i really do, i think its self explanetary, have you seen or heard of another solution that will sort them out, besides space cadeting up your own Ass****

[redman]

Right Redmans reading the book as the elite footsoldiers kick down his door! ave you not noticed that time is seriously running out.

Or I have already read it along with a lot of other people on here, and it didn't stop the elite foot soilders kicking down my door.

[reptileslayer]

Or I have already read it along with a lot of other people on here, and it didn't stop the elite foot soilders kicking down my door.
Correct Redman, geeeeeez these lot do spout some shite espesh seanx :D

[redman]

Redman wrote:



Icke covers it completely in the second part of the book-
Tales of the Time Loop.

He takes over 200 pages to expalin the nature of the matrix as
he sees it and how all the different realites affect each other.

There is no easy, short-cut answer -than actually sitting down and
reading the book - if you are genuine in your enquiry.



It's pretty much the same concept as what Kymatica puts forward.



So what are YOU doing to change your reality, go through your day to day stuff that you do thats going to save your ass when the shit hits the fan. Because if you haven't noticed thats what this thread is all about.


People are getting very nervous with current events unfolding before their eyes and the old look at yourself shit is wearing a bit thin.

[seanx]

reptileslayer wrote
Youre a perfect orwellion doublespeak candidate seanx, you say things and you dont seem to realise that your talking about yourself

So, in other words you have NO answer.

So let me ask you again: if you think the solution is killing all
your enemies, WHICH is the MENTALITY of the NWO - what makes
you ANY different from them?

Best advice to you mate:- sort out your own life first and you'll
lose the desire to murder all the people you believe are the cause
of all your problems.

[lenejento]

Yes i really do, i think its self explanetary, have you seen or heard of another solution that will sort them out, besides space cadeting up your own Ass****

I'm not bashing your solution :D Maybe there are many 'solutions' eh? I can see that it's not that easy for you cause you need others with you. Who exacly would you take out? Only the puppets? And don't you think most of the rest of the masses would fight you, because they think you're anarchists and most don't want/are not ready for that. Hell, I don't even know if I'm ready for anarchy, I'm quite happy that murderers and rapists are on a leash. (Or maybe I'm just being negative and fearful about your solution).
Even if you plan to organize a new government of whatever would that be so easy? I think there would be anarchy and fighting for some time. Just my opinion.

My solution? I feel it's abit hypocritical to mention it right now :o and you wouldn't like it either. Let's just say this, we are powerful beyond our comprehension.

[seanx]

Redman wrote:
Or I have already read it along with a lot of other people on here, and it didn't stop the elite foot soilders kicking down my door.

You read it?

Well then why did you ask the question?

In the book Icke explains the mechanism to
step out of the consensual reality that the Elite want to drag us into?

What part did you find hard to accept or have problems with?

[seanx]

reptileslayer wrote:
Yes i really do, i think its self explanetary, have you seen or heard of another solution that will sort them out, besides space cadeting up your own Ass****

Listen, MR reptileslayer - you'd better go to bed. You probably have
school on Monday.

[redman]

reptileslayer wrote


So, in other words you have NO answer.

So let me ask you again: if you think the solution is killing all
your enemies, WHICH is the MENTALITY of the NWO - what makes
you ANY different from them?

Best advice to you mate:- sort out your own life first and you'll
lose the desire to murder all the people you believe are the cause
of all your problems.


I couldn't really give two fucks about my life, it's my family's life that I am worried about.


Ya know what, you speak like you don't think anything is going to happen to effect you physically. I think your the type of person who reads and watches a lot of stuff but doesn't quite buy it but you like all the spiritual stuff cos it makes you sound clever.

See we can all make rash generalisations about one another without actually knowing who we are speaking too. Very childish and really your just going off the topic of what the thread is about.


Tell ya what you say what you have just said to someone from Iraq that knows about the NWO and Illuminati but he has experienced full on what these sadistic cunts are capable of. Tell him to go and sort his life out and then he wouldn't have the desire to murder those cock suckers even though he knows that they are responsible for the death of his family. See how that would go down.


Once again you are talking from a selfish perspective, there are people suffering and dying every day cos of these fuckers, you know it, I know it.... what about those poor fuckers who didn't have the luxury of getting their lives sorted or having a choice to sort themselves out.

[redman]

Redman wrote:


You read it?

Well then why did you ask the question?

In the book Icke explains the mechanism to
step out of the consensual reality that the Elite want to drag us into?

What part did you find hard to accept or have problems with?



And you have experience of this... is this what your saying ?? that you read the book and have gone away and stepped out of the consensual reality.


If you have done none of this, then don't fucking preach it as a sure fire solution to the problems that lie ahead.

[seanx]

Lenejento wrote

I'm not bashing your solution Maybe there are many 'solutions' eh? I can see that it's not that easy for you cause you need others with you. Who exacly would you take out? Only the puppets? And don't you think most of the rest of the masses would fight you, because they think you're anarchists and most don't want/are not ready for that. Hell, I don't even know if I'm ready for anarchy, I'm quite happy that murderers and rapists are on a leash. (Or maybe I'm just being negative and fearful about your solution).
Even if you plan to organize a new government of whatever would that be so easy? I think there would be anarchy and fighting for some time. Just my opinion.

My solution? I feel it's abit hypocritical to mention it right now and you wouldn't like it either. Let's just say this, we are powerful beyond our comprehension.

This post, mr reptileslayer - is well worth reading.

As you can see, lenejento is a much more understanding, gentle and diplomatic poster than I am.

But when you read it - surely even you will see that things are
not as simple as killing your enemies and then believing that we'll
have heavan on earth.

As you can see from your own mentality, the negative qualities
of the Elite are present in us all.

[cruise4]

"we are powerful beyond our comprehension."

Please explain this seemingly meaningless gibberish to us poor mortals and if it's beyond our comprehension how do you know?

[redman]

Lenejento wrote



This post, mr reptileslayer - is well worth reading.

As you can see, lenejento is a much more understanding, gentle and diplomatic poster than I am.

But when you read it - surely even you will see that things are
not as simple as killing your enemies and then believing that we'll
have heavan on earth.

As you can see from your own mentality, the negative qualities
of the Elite are present in us all.



yeah thats all good and well but if you haven't noticed about 98% of the population are well and truly sheepled, and if you ain't noticed the world is going down the shit pan as we speak.


So really, like I said in my first post. We are fucked they have got us by the balls.

[seanx]

And you have experience of this... is this what your saying ?? that you read the book and have gone away and stepped out of the consensual reality.


If you have done none of this, then don't fucking preach it as a sure fire solution to the problems that lie ahead.


I couldn't really give two fucks about my life, it's my family's life that I am worried about.


Ya know what, you speak like you don't think anything is going to happen to effect you physically. I think your the type of person who reads and watches a lot of stuff but doesn't quite buy it but you like all the spiritual stuff cos it makes you sound clever.

See we can all make rash generalisations about one another without actually knowing who we are speaking too. Very childish and really your just going off the topic of what the thread is about.


Tell ya what you say what you have just said to someone from Iraq that knows about the NWO and Illuminati but he has experienced full on what these sadistic cunts are capable of. Tell him to go and sort his life out and then he wouldn't have the desire to murder those cock suckers even though he knows that they are responsible for the death of his family. See how that would go down.


Once again you are talking from a selfish perspective, there are people suffering and dying every day cos of these fuckers, you know it, I know it.... what about those poor fuckers who didn't have the luxury of getting their lives sorted or having a choice to sort themselves out.

From that rant, I take it you haven't a CLUE what we are talking
about here.

I'm not going to waste time explaining complex ideas that Icke
takes about 200 pages to explain - to somebody who can't be bothered
to read it for himself.

In the above post, you clearly REVEAL your VIEW of the world. Waht
you FEEL is the truth of the world around you.

wELL guess what, mate - you're absoluely right.

If you think the world is shit and terrible shiity things are
going to happen to you - well, there is no doubt that is exactly
what you will draw to yourself.

You're doing it now.

Now, you can say this is all shit.

Well, that your choice.

It's your reality.

Don't make the slightest difference to me. I can't control your reality

Only my own.

Icke gives his understanding of how reality works.

it resonates with me.

I used these IDEAS to go from being broke on the streets
of London to being financially independent and free today.

These ar ethe ideas that I believe the Elite have hidden for centuries
because they know that once people start UNDERSTANDING and
using them they'll see what a fucking MAGICAL universe we are
really living in.

But you don't want to hear this.

At the end of the day, who gives a fuck. it's your experience.

[measle_weasel]

"we are powerful beyond our comprehension."

Please explain this seemingly meaningless gibberish to us poor mortals and if it's beyond our comprehension how do you know?

I was wondering the same. Incoming more new-age fluff and cliches, probably!

[seanx]

Redman wrote;
yeah thats all good and well but if you haven't noticed about 98% of the population are well and truly sheepled, and if you ain't noticed the world is going down the shit pan as we speak.


So really, like I said in my first post. We are fucked they have got us by the balls.

Have you ever sat down with yourself and notice how fucking
negative you are?

Who told you we were fucked.

If you lived in 1939, you'd be telling people the same thing.
We are all fucked.


Hitler will destroy us. We're doomed. finished.

You're reading too many negative, depressing books and
leaflets.

is the world going down the shit pan?

Says who?

That one view. The Elite's view that all the papers spread to keep
us all terrifed and powerless.

Or another view, a more positive view is that all the corruption
and all our fears are coming to the fore and being released and we're
learning how to handle money.

like a patient who has a bad fever.

Most people will see the fever as negative whereas the truth is
the fever is the best thing that can happen to the patient.

it's taking all the shit out of his body.

That's what is hapening now in our financial world. it's acutally
positive and a great time to make real money..

But the Elite have programmed you to view it as negative.

The same old program they're using.

[seanx]

measle_weasel wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by cruise4
"we are powerful beyond our comprehension."

Please explain this seemingly meaningless gibberish to us poor mortals and if it's beyond our comprehension how do you know?

I was wondering the same. Incoming more new-age fluff and cliches, probably!

Only to tried old cynical guys like youselves who are, it seems
hard-wired to seeing only the worst scenarion in anything.

You know you can almost, after a while, 'smell' the energy of a
poster after you have read a few of their posts.

Some posts leave you feeling fed-up, negative and depressed,
while other posts leave you feeling good, lighter and happier.

it's not even their words - but the spirit behind the words.

So lads, read a few of lenejento past posts, (or Mountain's posts
) - and you'll see that what she's talking about is not just
new-age fluff and cliches - but a real spirit she is trying to bring into,
hold and anchor in this world.

Not an easy thing, especailly with all the chronic negativity that
we are all surrounded with.

[cruise4]

"If you lived in 1939, you'd be telling people the same thing.
We are all fucked. Hitler will destroy us. We're doomed. finished."

Yes, the white rose did, and they were.

I have had first hand experience of everything starting to go right by altering my emotion, and I believe that's at the core of what you are talking about Sean.

But the problem is if I'm in Dresden I still get killed, don't I?

If you are suggesting we can at some point transcend this reality, or the bomb won't touch me, or it won't happen at all etc. then how does that work if 'Global' conciousness has any meaning? You seem to talk as if there's some individual conciousness which operates at some godlike level and I have yet to see anything like that.

Perhaps we may evolve but that may require catalyst and time, which it seems we may not have.

Then there's the 'me' aspect of I'm alright jack. Not exactly the point for me.

"a great time to make real money" - this statement would concern me, a) because hyper-inflation will turn saving into foolishness and b) great, you make some 'real money' over and above others again c) I'll prop the system up..

Again from personal experience if some guy hassles you and you smack him one, the odds are he troubles you no more, when done right (it's an example, bullies would be another). The point being whatever anyone thinks, force can be demonstrated to work, whereas your view seems to have no concrete endgame... and therefore it's hope and faith... which isn't good enough in my book as people are being killed right now as others have said.

Does your approach only work when critical mass is reached? When is that? How many? What happens? Are you suggesting the only thing is look after number 1?

I also think what is going down has great potential for positive change. But I also think it needs positive intent not well meaning flowery words. You see me as negative. I do not jump off bridges to see if I can fly and the 5 sense reality is still a part of our reality... No? Your negativity is not my negativity BTW and doesn't the above post you make just sum up how contradictory your assertions really are? You brought the word negativity here... YOU.

One last point... I'm unsure what the answer is and consequently put a foot in a number of camps, including the approach you advocate. I'm not anti-spirituality at all, I'm not anti-meditation. But as an answer to the current prediction I can't understand how it can be and the explanations given by others that seemingly do are so far short of adequate it's hard to take them seriously as the conclusion often has to be they don't know what they are talking about either otherwise they wouldn't have such difficulty explaining themselves eg. "if it's beyond our comprehension how do you know"? (which you didn't address, they rarely do and is obvious 'repeating').

And the elitism, arrogance and sequestering of knowledge that goes on in this spirituality... makes me wonder about it all sometimes.

[measle_weasel]

Only to tried old cynical guys like youselves who are, it seems
hard-wired to seeing only the worst scenarion in anything.

You know you can almost, after a while, 'smell' the energy of a
poster after you have read a few of their posts.

Some posts leave you feeling fed-up, negative and depressed,
while other posts leave you feeling good, lighter and happier.

it's not even their words - but the spirit behind the words.

So lads, read a few of lenejento past posts, (or Mountain's posts
) - and you'll see that what she's talking about is not just
new-age fluff and cliches - but a real spirit she is trying to bring into,
hold and anchor in this world.

Not an easy thing, especailly with all the chronic negativity that
we are all surrounded with.

Some people on this forum are just more anchored in reality than you are, seanx. Thats not negative, its just acknowledging the truth for what it is, without looking away and making up a fantasy world to believe in where everything is puppies and kittens and ice cream cones.

[octopusrex]

These types of threads are made often, but there has never been even ONE solution that would take those 6000 people out. Not even one.
This is the mainreason why we are still in this crap and will continue being in it.

I know I always try to stay positive and probably tomorrow I'll be back to my old "normal" optimistic self,
but I am saddened by the fact that there is honestly nothing we can do.
I know most of us don't want to acknowledge that and probably we shouldn't, since it's better to always be optimistic...
But whenever you come up with even one small solution, you find another problem that is bigger than the last.

Icke says: "They can only control us because we allow ourselves to be controlled".

Yeah, like it's that simple. How can you NOT let them control you, when they take away all of your necessities?
If they tell you that you can only get meat at Walmart, where will you find yourself? Walmart.
"Find a way to say no to that, you little anarchist."
Or what? Are you going to say no to meat? No to fruits? Please.
One famous example of this is my mother:
"I know they know at what time I use the bus, where I go with it and etc,
but how am I gonna stop that when I don't have the money for a car?
They don't give me another option but to be followed."

WHAT the hell am I going to say to that? Has anyone honestly ever thought that?

And the other saying: "If no one shows up to war, there is no war."

Do you guys honestly think this works? I know it might work on a few smart people, but let's be real here. It doesn't work on everybody.
"You're fighting for Your country!" One smooth talker and he/she will talk you in to anything. This is how it works.

Informing other people changes what? Nothing.
They know, but then they ask you the famous question:
"What can we do?"
And you say: "Uhh....LOOK! A bird!" And then you run away.

I get this question asked all the time and I always say: "Just inform other people. It's good to know."
But really, why is it good to know when we don't have a solution? I certainly don't and it angers me.

Even Icke doesn't have a solution. "Don't let them control you."
HOOOOOOOOOW can I not when the system is everywhere?
Move to a farm? Give me money! I'll be there in a nano-second!
No money? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

I hate myself when I turn in to this negative little troll.
(not that Im trolling, but I feel like one. Literally.)

Learn to breathe correctly.

[seanx]

Some people on this forum are just more anchored in reality than you are, seanx. Thats not negative, its just acknowledging the truth for what it is, without looking away and making up a fantasy world to believe in where everything is puppies and kittens and ice cream cones.

No mate all it means is that you have been totally conditioned by
tptb into 'this is the only shit reality there is and it can't be changed
so so accept it mentality' so you mock anybody who may see other
possibilities.

Ever hear of Plato and the cave?

As the for negative, it does NOT MEAN IGNORING IT'S EXISTENCE.
IT MEANS seeing things in their FULL context so that positive
action can be taken.

Maybe if a few of you guys actually read what icke writes
about these things - you wouldn't waste our time making these
cheap mocking points.

[beldazar]

Seanx, I have enjoyed reading your posts, there is absolutely nothing wrong with dismissing neagtivity, in fact it will cure many ills ;)

[cruise4]

Maybe some of us have. As a theoretical possibility it's interesting. As a practical reality... well we are not there yet as far as I can see.

[sade]

I know how to breathe Mister. :rolleyes:

Last night after I turned the computer off, I started to think about all the things I've been through after learning about the things that DI talks about.
How I've managed to astral travel, raise energy, learn about chakras, become more spiritual, let go of the past and live in the NOW.
But the best thing of all of these things has been learning about what Carl Jung calls Synchronicity.
Seeing CLEAR & POSITIVE messages everywhere when you just open yourselves to them.
This has been the best thing of all, because it has shown me that there's more going on that we can see with our 'eyes.'

Im telling this because after turning off my computer and getting ready to go to bed, I turned on the radio.
When one of those 'synchronities' are happening, I tend to go in to a very light state of trance and this is when I notice that Im getting a message.
(Because I see them more as messages.)

At this exact moment I was thinking about how shitty the situation is and what an idiot I've been to not realise the TRUTH,
that nobody has come up with a solution. Not even me, because I've been concentrating on being all spiritual. I felt hopeless.
This is when I noticed that I was slipping in to a short trance and I immediately started to listen to the radio. The singer was singing:"You're not alone."
I don't know who the singer is, even though I've heard the song many, many times but it was such a clear message that I found it to be funny.

(Someone here posted an image that said "Don't worry, be happy!"
I've heard that song playing two times on the radio when I felt exactly like I felt yesterday, but for other reasons.)

I felt so much better after that.
...And then I started to think about coming up with a solution and I decided to start reading Lord Of The Rings again. 8)

But we all have to be honest here with ourselves and realise that we really don't have a solution.
Yes, in our heads we have a choice. Don't want the goverment to know when you take your bus and where you go with it? Stop using it.
But once again, difficult to do that when you have NO CAR and you need to go to work!
This is the most clear example of how they control us. When you're not given a choice, you can't do much.
This is the sad truth, but it doesn't take away from the fact that we should all try and grow up and become better people.

We all need to put our heads together and come up with a solution that WE can use for real.
We CANNOT inform people without being able to answer the question:
"WHAT CAN WE DO?" When we have the answer to that question, they're done.

[marpat]

These types of threads are made often, but there has never been even ONE solution that would take those 6000 people out. Not even one.
This is the mainreason why we are still in this crap and will continue being in it.

I know I always try to stay positive and probably tomorrow I'll be back to my old "normal" optimistic self,
but I am saddened by the fact that there is honestly nothing we can do.
I know most of us don't want to acknowledge that and probably we shouldn't, since it's better to always be optimistic...
But whenever you come up with even one small solution, you find another problem that is bigger than the last.

Icke says: "They can only control us because we allow ourselves to be controlled".

Yeah, like it's that simple. How can you NOT let them control you, when they take away all of your necessities?
If they tell you that you can only get meat at Walmart, where will you find yourself? Walmart.
"Find a way to say no to that, you little anarchist."
Or what? Are you going to say no to meat? No to fruits? Please.
One famous example of this is my mother:
"I know they know at what time I use the bus, where I go with it and etc,
but how am I gonna stop that when I don't have the money for a car?
They don't give me another option but to be followed."

WHAT the hell am I going to say to that? Has anyone honestly ever thought that?

And the other saying: "If no one shows up to war, there is no war."

Do you guys honestly think this works? I know it might work on a few smart people, but let's be real here. It doesn't work on everybody.
"You're fighting for Your country!" One smooth talker and he/she will talk you in to anything. This is how it works.

Informing other people changes what? Nothing.
They know, but then they ask you the famous question:
"What can we do?"
And you say: "Uhh....LOOK! A bird!" And then you run away.

I get this question asked all the time and I always say: "Just inform other people. It's good to know."
But really, why is it good to know when we don't have a solution? I certainly don't and it angers me.

Even Icke doesn't have a solution. "Don't let them control you."
HOOOOOOOOOW can I not when the system is everywhere?
Move to a farm? Give me money! I'll be there in a nano-second!
No money? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

I hate myself when I turn in to this negative little troll.
(not that Im trolling, but I feel like one. Literally.)


You are so right here. Even Icke is controlled by them to some degree. He makes money from books and talks but claims money is worthless. I wonder how long he would survive without it. There would be no books and no talks to. He has been happy to use the systems legal power at times, the very system he condemns.

You are not being negative you are seeing the hard, cold facts as they are. Sometime you have to just say this is this and not try and make it into something else.

Also, wars. It is easy for people to say they will not fight. If one nation laid down their weapons what is to stop another from just walking right in and taking control? no weapons sounds nice but I think the reality would be far more risky as humans have fought all through history. Although all reasonable people dont want wars there are some people who will use force to achieve what they want regardless of consequences.

As you mention, food. Even if people wanted to provide their own food there is not enough land for the whole country to just turn to small holdings and it would certainly mean millions of people would have to move away from their homes in order to find the space to do such a thing. The only alternative is the main suppliers.

I was reading an Edgar Cayce book last night and he states that to know something and not to do anything with it is a sin. Interesting thought.

[reptileslayer]

It's pretty much the same concept as what Kymatica puts forward.



So what are YOU doing to change your reality, go through your day to day stuff that you do thats going to save your ass when the shit hits the fan. Because if you haven't noticed thats what this thread is all about.


People are getting very nervous with current events unfolding before their eyes and the old look at yourself shit is wearing a bit thin.
Correct the looking at yourself shite, does not apply to this present situation on this planet, even the elite are restricted to arming, and operating on a very physical level, on this level, so the answer is to disarm them on a physical level period.

[reptileslayer]

I know how to breathe Mister. :rolleyes:

Last night after I turned the computer off, I started to think about all the things I've been through after learning about the things that DI talks about.
How I've managed to astral travel, raise energy, learn about chakras, become more spiritual, let go of the past and live in the NOW.
But the best thing of all of these things has been learning about what Carl Jung calls Synchronicity.
Seeing CLEAR & POSITIVE messages everywhere when you just open yourselves to them.
This has been the best thing of all, because it has shown me that there's more going on that we can see with our 'eyes.'

Im telling this because after turning off my computer and getting ready to go to bed, I turned on the radio.
When one of those 'synchronities' are happening, I tend to go in to a very light state of trance and this is when I notice that Im getting a message.
(Because I see them more as messages.)

At this exact moment I was thinking about how shitty the situation is and what an idiot I've been to not realise the TRUTH,
that nobody has come up with a solution. Not even me, because I've been concentrating on being all spiritual. I felt hopeless.
This is when I noticed that I was slipping in to a short trance and I immediately started to listen to the radio. The singer was singing:"You're not alone."
I don't know who the singer is, even though I've heard the song many, many times but it was such a clear message that I found it to be funny.

(Someone here posted an image that said "Don't worry, be happy!"
I've heard that song playing two times on the radio when I felt exactly like I felt yesterday, but for other reasons.)

I felt so much better after that.
...And then I started to think about coming up with a solution and I decided to start reading Lord Of The Rings again. 8)

But we all have to be honest here with ourselves and realise that we really don't have a solution.
Yes, in our heads we have a choice. Don't want the goverment to know when you take your bus and where you go with it? Stop using it.
But once again, difficult to do that when you have NO CAR and you need to go to work!
This is the most clear example of how they control us. When you're not given a choice, you can't do much.
This is the sad truth, but it doesn't take away from the fact that we should all try and grow up and become better people.

We all need to put our heads together and come up with a solution that WE can use for real.
We CANNOT inform people without being able to answer the question:
"WHAT CAN WE DO?" When we have the answer to that question, they're done.
Sade i have given you the solution, but its going to take balls and guts to execute it, which i am afraid is a rare commodity in people here at the mo.

Anyways i would be interested in your views on my solution, and congrats to you for being real, and just spelling out the bare bones truth of the situation, its something that most people are not able to do at the moment.

[reptileslayer]

I see the moderaters have moved the Thread from the general section, a bit too real for you is it? Obviously the thinking is my god this info is real, and threatens the system, all we want this lot to do on here, is space cadet up their own assholes, thus they are then no threat to the system. very suspicious indeed!

[beldazar]

I see the moderaters have moved the Thread from the general section, a bit too real for you is it? Obviously the thinking is my god this info is real, and threatens the system, all we want this lot to do on here, is space cadet up their own assholes, thus they are then no threat to the system. very suspicious indeed!


Oh gawd! How do you work that one out? Its simply moved to the correct place! :rolleyes:

[seanx]

Marpat wrote:

You are so right here. Even Icke is controlled by them to some degree. He makes money from books and talks but claims money is worthless. I wonder how long he would survive without it.

Again, you're talking pure bullshit.

Tell me where does Icke say that money is worthless?

He says money is just energy.

Pure energy.

nEITHER GOOD NOR BAD IN IN ITSELF .

What makes it good or bad is the use to which it is put.

Again, for some sad reason you feel the need to distort
and misrepresent the REAL ideas that icke and people like him
write about

I wonder why that is?

[reptileslayer]

Marpat wrote:



Again, you're talking pure bullshit.

Tell me where does Icke say that money is worthless?

He says money is just energy.

Pure energy.

nEITHER GOOD NOR BAD IN IN ITSELF .

What makes it good or bad is the use to which it is put.

Again, for some sad reason you feel the need to distort
and misrepresent the REAL ideas that icke and people like him
write about

I wonder why that is?
Good morning seanx just chill man ok. :)

[reptileslayer]

Oh gawd! How do you work that one out? Its simply moved to the correct place! :rolleyes:
Ok hun, fair point i am just keeping everybody on their toes :)

[seanx]

beldazar wrote:
Seanx, I have enjoyed reading your posts, there is absolutely nothing wrong with dismissing neagtivity, in fact it will cure many ills

Yes, you are right, in this model of reality as outlined by Icke and others,
we don't deny negative realities such as war.

It's not a question of pretending these realities don't exist.

But it is a question of looking at them from a much larger dimension,
discovering the energies and belief patterns that brought the
'war' about in the first place.

You can nearly always trace it back to people's beliefs and FEARS
of scarcity and the fear for theitm personal survival.

And if you can dismantle these fearful belief structures and
replace them with a view or MODEL that reflects life's true
nature, infinity - then, WITH THIS NEW VIEW OF OURSELVES we will
all begin experiencing a new reality.

But people don't want to hear this.

They JUST want to find someone to BLAME for all their problems.

..

[marpat]

Marpat wrote:



Again, you're talking pure bullshit.

Tell me where does Icke say that money is worthless?

He says money is just energy.

Pure energy.

nEITHER GOOD NOR BAD IN IN ITSELF .

What makes it good or bad is the use to which it is put.

Again, for some sad reason you feel the need to distort
and misrepresent the REAL ideas that icke and people like him
write about

I wonder why that is?


He calls money many things, such as just numbers on a screen. I am sure he is happy when he has some numbers on a screen though. Money is not energy, its just a token of value. It does not do anything and cannot do anything so how can it be energy. It is the value in the mind of people that makes it worth anything, therefore the only energy it holds is in the mind of the person using it.

Lets face it Icke goes on about breaking free but is he really free? does he pay his taxes into governments coffers? does he pay for his TV license? does he pay for his MOT, etc? if yes then he is paying into the system he says we should break free from. Some example to follow. How can a piece of paper be pure energy? do you think I could power a light bulb from it?:D

I think I would have a bit more respect for the man if I actually saw hime doing something about all of these claims rather than just writing or talking about them. In one of his books he claims he would be happy to go to court if challenged about what he writes so that it can get out in the open. If he is so confident about success then why is he not taking the fight to them? he would get his info out in the open in a court, which he states he is happy to do.

[seanx]

Good morning seanx just chill man ok.

Mr. reptileslayer - you should be getting ready for school tomorrow
and not worrying about how you're going to wripe out half the world's population!!

[sade]

Ok sade you ask for a solution to this, and what can we really do to deal with it. Well here goes
i will give you a basic run down of my answer to this problem.
Firstly i agree with what you have said about Icke i feel that Alex Jones takes a similar stance, his response to you very important question is, we just have to get the truth out to as many people as we can..........er then what Alex? he just then goes into a loop and repeats the mantra over again.
My view of what they are both doing is that they are refusing to step over the line, and declare right lets go its time to take them out. Which of course in my view is a sheer contradiction, they say our situation is dire they are evil
blah blah, but they are refusing to go head to head with them.

OK now the basics of my solution, there must be at least a few million people
worldwide who now know the truth about the NWO to varying degrees, so it is now time for them ALL to grow up, and take responsibility for their own lifes their own thinking, and for the collective well being of our WHOLE race of humans on this planet.

Whether you believe the stuff about the bloodline families etc is now really a mute point, what is abundantly clear is that the present 'political democratic'
systems we have in our societies are Totally inadequate and unacceptable, and clearly need to be removed and completely changed.

So imo it is down to the few million people around the world, who know/realise
that this situation needs to be dealt with, To get together and organise a major and relentlous move on the elite political figures, and remove them and shut down ALL their political systems, then it is ALL our responsibilities to design and build a new system that is Totally in the interest and well being of the WHOLE HUMAN RACE.

Ok whether you agree with me or not, i have just stated and done something both Icke and jones have NEVER done. And that is giving you a direct pro-active solution after stepping over the line.

I look forward to everyones comments. :)

Ok so your solution is basically for people to get together, shut down the political system and for us to design a new system.
I assume this would happen violently.

It is a good idea in one way, minus the violence, but sadly after reading your idea I realised that we are not seriously ready to start off fresh.
Most people are still on the level of a 7 year old spiritually. If we start everything from the beginning, and someone is still having problems with their ego,
what will happen? You already know. It can't be about "Me, me, me."

People need to become much more spiritually advanced so that these types of things can go down without the plan turning in to a nightmare.

[reptileslayer]

Mr. reptileslayer - you should be getting ready for school tomorrow
and not worrying about how you're going to wripe out half the world's population!!
I am a 50 year old man with balls, cut the crap!

[seanx]

He calls money many things, such as just numbers on a screen. I am sure he is happy when he has some numbers on a screen though. Money is not energy, its just a token of value. It does not do anything and cannot do anything so how can it be energy. It is the value in the mind of people that makes it worth anything, therefore the only energy it holds is in the mind of the person using it.
Lets face it Icke goes on about breaking free but is he really free? does he pay his taxes into governments coffers? does he pay for his TV license? does he pay for his MOT, etc? if yes then he is paying into the system he says we should break free from. Some example to follow. How can a piece of paper be pure energy? do you think I could power a light bulb from it?

I think I would have a bit more respect for the man if I actually saw hime doing something about all of these claims rather than just writing or talking about them. In one of his books he claims he would be happy to go to court if challenged about what he writes so that it can get out in the open. If he is so confident about success then why is he not taking the fight to them? he would get his info out in the open in a court, which he states he is happy to do.
__________________

Listen, mate I don't know what your personal problem with Icke is,
that's between you and him, but again please tell me where
he says money is worthless.

But of course, as in our past thread you've admitted you couldn't be
bothered reading the books where he deals with these issues....
that money, like every else is simply ENERGY vibrating at a specific
rate..........that could be a clue!


...............Yet you still feel the need to totally distort his ideas.

For WHAT reason?


a piece of paper be pure energy?

Unless you have rewritten the laws of physics - could you
tell me what else it could be?

In fact, it not even energy, it's mostly empty space!

[seanx]

reptileslayer wrote:
I am a 50 year old man with balls, cut the crap!

That fucking shocks me, mate

At your age, you think killing all the people you think are
responsible for fucking up your life is the solution.

Maybe you're right.

Maybe the world is fucked.

[reptileslayer]

Listen, mate I don't know what your personal problem with Icke is,
that's between you and him, but again please tell me where
he says money is worthless.

But of course, as in our past thread you've admitted you couldn't be
bothered reading the books where he deals with these issues....
that money, like every else is simply ENERGY vibrating at a specific
rate..........that could be a clue!


...............Yet you still feel the need to totally distort his ideas.

For WHAT reason?




Unless you have rewritten the laws of physics - could you
tell me what else it could be?

In fact, it not even energy, it's mostly empty space!
Seanx will you go and and waffle inane ineffective shite elsewhere, i see you must have your Ultra Duracells in today. :D

[beldazar]

Ex services perhaps? :confused:

[reptileslayer]

reptileslayer wrote:


That fucking shocks me, mate

At your age, you think killing all the people you think are
responsible for fucking up your life is the solution.

Maybe you're right.

Maybe the world is fucked.

Tell me whatever attracted you to the dave icke site.

When your ideas would be repungent to most people
So stop assuming everything and then going up your own asshole, based on that incorrect assumption.

[reptileslayer]

Ex services perhaps? :confused:
No i am not hun, though i am prepared to give my own life in the pursuit of removing the evil NWO scum, for the benefit of everyone on our planet, i have got their number.

[sade]

You know what, let's not get ahead of ourselves with saving the world..
FIRST WE NEED TO GET OUT
OF THE DAMN SANDBOX!

http://www.babble.com/CS/photos/may2007/images/18836/203x165.aspx

Both of your views are fine, but stop being so fucking rude to eachother!
IT DOES NOT HELP ONE BIT.

Here we are trying to find a solution to end this insanity when you two can't even behave like adults, isn't that funny?

[reptileslayer]

You know what, let's not get ahead of ourselves with saving the world..
FIRST WE NEED TO GET OUT
OF THE DAMN SANDBOX!

http://www.babble.com/CS/photos/may2007/images/18836/203x165.aspx

Both of your views are fine, but stop being so fucking rude to eachother!
IT DOES NOT HELP ONE BIT.

Here we are trying to find a solution to end this insanity when you two can't even behave like adults, isn't that funny?
Fair point hun, though i think seanx gets off on the energy of the confrontation drama.

[seanx]

Both of your views are fine, but stop being so fucking rude to eachother!
IT DOES NOT HELP ONE BIT.

Here we are trying to find a solution to end this insanity when you two can't even behave like adults, isn't that funny?

With respect that is none of your business.

it is better to have real HONESTY than for people to be pretending to
be all nice and lovey-dovey.

[eternal_spirit]

With respect that is none of your business.

it is better to have real HONESTY than for people to be pretending to
be all nice and lovey-dovey.

Yes and I know Seanx has the balls to be honest. Some Irish music in my sig you might like. Magical beautiful proper music, by proper musicians.

[marpat]

Listen, mate I don't know what your personal problem with Icke is,
that's between you and him, but again please tell me where
he says money is worthless.

But of course, as in our past thread you've admitted you couldn't be
bothered reading the books where he deals with these issues....
that money, like every else is simply ENERGY vibrating at a specific
rate..........that could be a clue!


...............Yet you still feel the need to totally distort his ideas.

For WHAT reason?




Unless you have rewritten the laws of physics - could you
tell me what else it could be?

In fact, it not even energy, it's mostly empty space!

Well that goes for everything then doesnt it.

How am I distorting his ideas? actually they are not his ideas he just took them from other standard theories about vibrations and energy.

Do you relate to money on an energy level or on a physical level? a piece of paper with £50 printed on it will have the same vibrations as a piece of paper with a £5 on it. So where is the difference in the energy then? you are not seeing it as a unit of energy and that is not where its value lies.

I like some of Ickes ideas but I do feel he doesnt really practice what he preaches. Like I said, if he feels confident to take the fight into a court room then why has he not done so? does he fear the consequences, such as perhaps being proved wrong or being laughed at? is he happier just printing stuff that people will buy without really exposing himself to anything more than a few giggles, safe in his comfort zone?

[marpat]

Sade

With regard to your OP. If the world is run by people under the influence of evil and negative entities then the only way you are going to overcome this state of affairs is to take on those entities by creating a positively charged spiritual atmosphere around the earth. If people just focus on dealing with things on a physical level all that will happen is that these people will go away and reorganise, then come back, still under the same influence.

I also think it is something we can all do. How hard is it for every person in here to, say, visualise the earth surrounded by dark clouds which are then broken up by rays of light and love? visalisation acts upon the unconscious so why should it not work? every act that a person performs is created in the same way, you see yourself doing it then energy flows into it and it begins to take shape.

My opinion only.

[redman]

Redman wrote;


Have you ever sat down with yourself and notice how fucking
negative you are?

Who told you we were fucked.

If you lived in 1939, you'd be telling people the same thing.
We are all fucked.


Hitler will destroy us. We're doomed. finished.

You're reading too many negative, depressing books and
leaflets.

is the world going down the shit pan?

Says who?

That one view. The Elite's view that all the papers spread to keep
us all terrifed and powerless.

Or another view, a more positive view is that all the corruption
and all our fears are coming to the fore and being released and we're
learning how to handle money.

like a patient who has a bad fever.

Most people will see the fever as negative whereas the truth is
the fever is the best thing that can happen to the patient.

it's taking all the shit out of his body.

That's what is hapening now in our financial world. it's acutally
positive and a great time to make real money..

But the Elite have programmed you to view it as negative.

The same old program they're using.




Erm can you tell me how many people died in WW2 ???

Now go and say to the family of those people that those people died because they were thinking negative thoughts and never sorted themselves out.


Cos isn't that what your saying ?? Just clear this up for me, YOU think that all those millions of people that got murdered and gassed and starved and died the most horrific deaths imaginable wouldn't of went through that experience if they didn't have negative thoughts ?? Is that what your saying ??

[eternal_spirit]

No I though Seanx was saying no matter how bad things may turn out and some may die etc, we can over come and evetually win.

I do believe there's too much fear mongering and disinfo and things will not turn out as bad as the merchants and prophets of doom make out.

It's gonna be ok. God told me (joke)
But seriously I'm no longer worried about it. There's more good than bad people and all will be well soon imo.

[redman]

Sade

With regard to your OP. If the world is run by people under the influence of evil and negative entities then the only way you are going to overcome this state of affairs is to take on those entities by creating a positively charged spiritual atmosphere around the earth. If people just focus on dealing with things on a physical level all that will happen is that these people will go away and reorganise, then come back, still under the same influence.

I also think it is something we can all do. How hard is it for every person in here to, say, visualise the earth surrounded by dark clouds which are then broken up by rays of light and love? visalisation acts upon the unconscious so why should it not work? every act that a person performs is created in the same way, you see yourself doing it then energy flows into it and it begins to take shape.

My opinion only.



OK well we can't even get people off this site to do those things, so it's not very realistic that we are going to get billions to do it around the world. Also do you agree that there is a very big chance that absolutley fuck all will happen if people did this ??

I have read the books and watched the docs, but fucking hell I ain't seen absolutley no evidence to make me think if the population of the world started to visualise the earth surrounded by dark clouds which are then broken up by rays of light and love, will somehow sort out the worlds problems and get rid of the evil fucks that run things.

It's a great concept and I happen to believe in some of it, but I think some of you people have been watching far to many films or reading to many sci fi books or something.


To me some of you people are nothing short of repeaters, you read something or watch a doc and then just repeat what that book says without actually experiencing anything about it yourselves. Thats the impression I get.

[redman]

No I though Seanx was saying no matter how bad things may turn out and some may die etc, we can over come and evetually win.

I do believe there's too much fear mongering and disinfo and things will not turn out as bad as the merchants and prophets of doom make out.

It's gonna be ok. God told me (joke)
But seriously I'm no longer worried about it. There's more good than bad people and all will be well soon imo.



Well to me your no different to the sheep out there. No offense.


It's all the pie and sky concepts and the " oh everything will be ok " attitude of people that are supposedly " AWAKE ". That makes me want to puke.


And like I said I don't think some people truly believe most of what they read etc, they will come on the site and say " the Illuminati bastards " blah blah blah, but I don't think they have any intention of actually fronting these fuckers, thats where the " oh it will all work out in the end " comes from.


And I ain't been funny, you seriously need to do some more research if you think that somehow everything is going to be OK.

[size_of_light]

These types of threads are made often, but there has never been even ONE solution that would take those 6000 people out. Not even one.
This is the mainreason why we are still in this crap and will continue being in it.

I know I always try to stay positive and probably tomorrow I'll be back to my old "normal" optimistic self,
but I am saddened by the fact that there is honestly nothing we can do.
I know most of us don't want to acknowledge that and probably we shouldn't, since it's better to always be optimistic...
But whenever you come up with even one small solution, you find another problem that is bigger than the last.

Icke says: "They can only control us because we allow ourselves to be controlled".

Yeah, like it's that simple. How can you NOT let them control you, when they take away all of your necessities?
If they tell you that you can only get meat at Walmart, where will you find yourself? Walmart.
"Find a way to say no to that, you little anarchist."
Or what? Are you going to say no to meat? No to fruits? Please.
One famous example of this is my mother:
"I know they know at what time I use the bus, where I go with it and etc,
but how am I gonna stop that when I don't have the money for a car?
They don't give me another option but to be followed."

WHAT the hell am I going to say to that? Has anyone honestly ever thought that?

And the other saying: "If no one shows up to war, there is no war."

Do you guys honestly think this works? I know it might work on a few smart people, but let's be real here. It doesn't work on everybody.
"You're fighting for Your country!" One smooth talker and he/she will talk you in to anything. This is how it works.

Informing other people changes what? Nothing.
They know, but then they ask you the famous question:
"What can we do?"
And you say: "Uhh....LOOK! A bird!" And then you run away.

I get this question asked all the time and I always say: "Just inform other people. It's good to know."
But really, why is it good to know when we don't have a solution? I certainly don't and it angers me.

Even Icke doesn't have a solution. "Don't let them control you."
HOOOOOOOOOW can I not when the system is everywhere?
Move to a farm? Give me money! I'll be there in a nano-second!
No money? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

I hate myself when I turn in to this negative little troll.
(not that Im trolling, but I feel like one. Literally.)

I don't see why you need to stop 'playing their game' when it suits you and fulfills all of the basic requirements of your life: food, clothing and shelter.

It's there, so fuck with their heads and use their system to satisfy your own needs, without guilt, for starters.

Getting 'off the grid' and becoming self-sufficient and growing your own food and similar things can be inspiring and freeing, but there's nothing in any of those things that is going to bring you any real measure of happiness or a sense of personal power and spiritual fulfillment if you don't take control of your own mind and spirit, or whatever you want to call it, and work on those things as the primary focus of your life.

We're all going to die one day anyway, so ask yourself how do you want to be when you die, and think about lying on your death bed imaging what will be running through your mind in those final moments - the guilt, the regrets, the remorse, the joys, the sadness and the hope and work on minimising those things that might arise that will disturb your mind and seduce you into fear and negativity in the moments before you die.

Life is pretty simple and it's us who make it complicated. It's certainly not 'the Illuminati', though that's an exciting way to distract ourselves from dealing with overcoming and purifying our own neuroses.

Get 'into the zone' where you're taking care of yourself and your life in the most fundamental way first, and once you get on that bike and learn your sense of balance your 99% of the way to leading by example and inspiring others to get up off their knees to join you in riding this out.

Unfortunately, if you're thinking about this whole thing in terms of how to physically manoeuvre every piece of the puzzle into a pleasing picture that you can freeze in place forever, you're wasting your life.

You're more responsible for the pain and suffering you create in your own life than you are for rectifying all the evils in the wider world, so start with your own mind and your own space and be aware of your own ripples going out.

Once you do that for an extended period, and dedicate your own personal work to the benefit of all beings, your own personal fears about what might happen in the future begin to dissolve because you know that deep down, where you really are, you're ok.

That gives rise to the energy of compassion for others and in that wonderfully empowering state of being your true intuition can begin to manifest and guide you how to act most appropriately in this world to help alleviate it's suffering.

[redman]

Well to me your no different to the sheep out there. No offense.


It's all the pie and sky concepts and the " oh everything will be ok " attitude of people that are supposedly " AWAKE ". That makes me want to puke.


And like I said I don't think some people truly believe most of what they read etc, they will come on the site and say " the Illuminati bastards " blah blah blah, but I don't think they have any intention of actually fronting these fuckers, thats where the " oh it will all work out in the end " comes from.


And I ain't been funny, you seriously need to do some more research if you think that somehow everything is going to be OK.



Sure some of you people think that the world is a rosy place to be and nothing too bad will happen to us.

Go and tell that to people who live in these country's for fuck sake.

Iraq
Afghanistan
Somalia
Thailand
Sudan
Indonesia
Chechnya
The Palestinian Territories
Uganda
Niger


Most of these countries are in the state they are in because of a Illuminati presense or involvement.. Now if these people can watch these countries turn into a hell on earth, what makes you think they can't do the same to us. And you know what, it will be us who feel it the most cos we have got used to living the lifestyles we have, at least most of the people from those countries have been brought into that and know no different.

[eternal_spirit]

Well to me your no different to the sheep out there. No offense.


It's all the pie and sky concepts and the " oh everything will be ok " attitude of people that are supposedly " AWAKE ". That makes me want to puke.


And like I said I don't think some people truly believe most of what they read etc, they will come on the site and say " the Illuminati bastards " blah blah blah, but I don't think they have any intention of actually fronting these fuckers, thats where the " oh it will all work out in the end " comes from.


And I ain't been funny, you seriously need to do some more research if you think that somehow everything is going to be OK.

Redman no one is gonna do fuck all to change anything anyway. That's why I no longer give a shit because I know that's the way it is.
So, I don't waste my time pontificating, and never claim to be awake or call other sheople.

Only time people might pull together as one force is when there's no food in the shops, or the military is dropping bombs or rounding them up.

I know all about the research been at it along time.

The majority of people new to this stuff will not even listen or believe most of what you tell them anyhow.

Pisses me off that some here think they're making a difference when they're not. And then have the gaul to moan at others.

And what are we supposed to do about what's happening in other countries? There's nothing we can do. It's not our fault. We can only sympathise in reality.

Thousands of people in one protest against the Iraq war didn't change anything. The head Military man of the UK, resigned, saying the troops should withdraw.

You think anyone would give a shiny shite if War broke out in USA or UK, some countries would celebrate the fact especially Muslim owned countries, they create their own wars with their religions.

The Muslims reached Europe in 7th century. And would have taken over then and tried to convert all to Islam if they could have.

So why worry about something that you can do nothing about that's my main point. It's caused me enough problems as it is all this conspiracy stuff (yes some of it is real and factual) But I think some of it is prophets of doom who constantly tell us were all fucked.

And I don't wanna live in fear of what might happen no more.

[oiram]

I like your sentiments Oiram. What can we do indeed? The thing is tptb are being so sneaky and are introducing laws through the back door and not openly threatening people yet so it isn't obvious that there is a war against us. I'm sure that as soon as atrocities start happening in our communities then people will react, combine together and rebel the problem is tptb are so clever that when it gets to that stage they will probably have that angle covered as well.

We are going to have to wait till the sheep wake up which imo wont be to late, it only takes a spark to make a fire and as yet I don't think we have seen the event to make the spark. Everyone makes mistakes, tptb are no different - I'm waiting for them to make the mistake that will expose themselves to the sheep then lets see what will happen.

I just think the time isn't right yet, but when it is look out.

Rebellions aren't organized- they start, gather momentum and a life of their own.I am very disappointed looking at this thread.
I don't know what makes people tick.
If you are a positive person & don't like violence then just do the natural thing walk away from it.
What you do in small life incidents does not differ from the big things like what the Elite tries to play.
Let the bully attack you first then you have all the right to self defend your sell.
Most of us just like to live in freedom so no need to find a attacking strategy.

They are wrong with what they are doing so once they attack many at the same time there will be a natural response.
All this arguments we have here is just indoor fighting & the Elite loves it and it's part of there strategy.

I only have one question to you all do you ore don't you agree with what they are planning?
If the answer is NO you do not agree with there plans then I feel save because if they push to far then we all will move into the same direction & help each other.
They only have power because we do not agree on one point.
So let's agree on something then we are on the right track.

1) Do you like to have a NWO system run by these criminals = NO! ... OK Good!
2) Do you like that they are trying to create a one world Banker system controlled by these criminals = NO! ... OK Good!
3) Do you like that they control all aspects of food supply & control the entire distribution = NO! ... OK Good!
4) Do you like that they have cameras everywhere controlling & filing every move you make =NO! ... OK Good!
5) Do you like they are loaning money from a system which creates money from nothing which you have to forcefully pay interest for = NO! ... OK Good!
6) Do you like that they play with the weather or even poison you with there Chem-trail spraying = NO! ... OK Good!
......etc

If these are 6 points we would all agree to this would equal a miracle 6 point's all at once! This would make the history Books & Guinness Book of records "If you know what i mean?"

You see if all the once just here on the thread have the same agreement Perfect I would say.
I am convinced the Elite will make a move which is aggressive & will activate us all at the same time to say enough is enough.

The most important part is you are all informed what is wrong with the Elite powers.

So give the message to all you know & you may don't know yet. You will be surprised.
Just don't ever lose you're spirit! If this happens that you lose you're spirit then we all dead!

Let the attacker make the first move.
Do you know why the Elite is getting desperate & why things are speeding up that's right because the people don't make the first move which they need to attack you. This is maybe the Divine law they also can not cross no matter how evil & sneaky they are to intimidate you all.

To fight the fox you got to be a smarter Fox

So less you do to help the Elite powers to get there ways more they are getting frustrated & they WILL MAKE A MISTAKE which will give us all the right to defend our self's that's when I need you all.

You like to speed up the process then stop all & everything you can do without. This will drive the Elite nuts.

Yes there are still to many idiots which can not see reality that's where we have our job educate the once which don't see the wall in-front of them.

I am restless also like you all; because I like to see the situation tomorrow to be solved but this is not the way it works we have to make it happen by not working into there hands.

People have the power to make partitions and polls with the question I stated above plus many more; good make them & we will flood the Governments departments with partitions & poll results on a daily bases.

Don't let them give you all there polls we better make are own without manipulation.
Flood them with questions so they will make there wrong move first; late the enemy shoot at you first then you have all natural right to defend your self & your neighbors.

Note: David Icke is absolutely right in saying this is a great time in history. Because it's the first freacking time in my life that anyone is listen to the shit I know for 30 years. Just look how many good people we have here on the Forum they are all listening to reality. Compare this to 5 years ago all & everyone told you to just fuck off with your ideas & comments. "RIGHT?"

So can you see the positive change.
What comes out of peoples minds is there frustration that things don't move faster so we all together can solve it. But this is where you can make a change! Tell people the reality day in & day out! More & more faster & faster.
Get the ignorant once mad until they search for the truth.

When the time has come a ignorant one don't need to expect my help in any form or type. Full Stop!
They all had enough time to wake up now it's 8 years already.

Don't bother with the ignorant concentrate on the once which show positive interest!
The numbers are growing by the thousands every hour it's exponential.

Don't forget the Divine law; also 10 million will not defeat 100 million & what's about one billion. Hah? ... Oh I forgot they have nukes right ... Well make my day!


Can you people don't see & feel how many friends you have already??

Here is good News already; if we keep it up we could hit the 20% mark in 4 months! http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/banana.gif
Also don't forget Polls coming from official sources usually are manipulated to show results on the up side.
Same with Unemployment reports the real numbers are always higher then what the Jewish owned MSM shows you.

Poll: Obama's popularity down by 9%
Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:14:17 GMT

US President Barack Obama

President Barack Obama's popularity has declined to 67 percent from 76 percent since he took office in January 20, a CNN survey says.

Obama's job approval rating dipped by nine points in his first month in office amid ongoing economic woes and partisan battles over government spending plans, a CNN poll published Friday showed.

Almost a third of those polled disapproved of Obama's handling of the job, while 23 percent said he had fallen short of expectations.

Another poll by Fox News and Opinion Dynamics poll showed that Obama's job approval rating stood at 60 percent on February 17-18, down from 65 percent three weeks earlier.

The president's personal favorability rating also declined to 68 percent from 76 percent a month ago.

While Obama's approval ratings do remain relatively high, politicking over the $787 billion stimulus plan passed by Congress on February 13 appears to have eaten into his previously stratospheric popularity.

According to the CNN poll 60 percent were in favor of the bill, while 39 percent were against it.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=86330&sectionid=3510203

[redman]

Redman no one is gonna do fuck all to change anything anyway. That's why I no longer give a shit because I know that's the way it is.
So, I don't waste my time pontificating, and never claim to be awake or call other sheople.

Only time people might pull together as one force is when there's no food in the shops, or the military is dropping bombs or rounding them up.

I know all about the research been at it along time.

The majority of people new to this stuff will not even listen or believe most of what you tell them anyhow.

Pisses me off that some here think they're making a difference when they're not. And then have the gaul to moan at others.

And what are we supposed to do about what's happening in other countries? There's nothing we can do. It's not our fault. We can only sympathise in reality.

Thousands of people in one protest against the Iraq war didn't change anything. The head Military man of the UK, resigned, saying the troops should withdraw.

You think anyone would give a shiny shite if War broke out in USA or UK, some countries would celebrate the fact especially Muslim owned countries, they create their own wars with their religions.

The Muslims reached Europe in 7th century. And would have taken over then and tried to convert all to Islam if they could have.

So why worry about something that you can do nothing about that's my main point. It's caused me enough problems as it is all this conspiracy stuff (yes some of it is real and factual) But I think some of it is prophets of doom who constantly tell us were all fucked.

And I don't wanna live in fear of what might happen no more.

well I totally agree with everything you have just said, like I said in my first post, they have us by the balls. So really we are in agreement.

Just pisses me off when someone makes a thread like this and you always get these blag Internet philosophers that have read a Icke book or seen a doc and then just waffle some garbage trying to sound clever.


And lets be truthful here, living in fear and being knowledgable of what the future could hold are two totally different things. I just don't want to get fucked over by these fuckers and I am sure no one else does, but alls I am saying is that I won't go down without a fight.

[reptileslayer]

Sade

With regard to your OP. If the world is run by people under the influence of evil and negative entities then the only way you are going to overcome this state of affairs is to take on those entities by creating a positively charged spiritual atmosphere around the earth. If people just focus on dealing with things on a physical level all that will happen is that these people will go away and reorganise, then come back, still under the same influence.

I also think it is something we can all do. How hard is it for every person in here to, say, visualise the earth surrounded by dark clouds which are then broken up by rays of light and love? visalisation acts upon the unconscious so why should it not work? every act that a person performs is created in the same way, you see yourself doing it then energy flows into it and it begins to take shape.

My opinion only.
You may be right about what you are saying in metaphysics theory, but i'm afraid that its a none starter, on this planet, for 2 reasons, firstly the 'people'
are totally incapable of performing and exercising this type of stuff globally, also all due respect to everybody inc Icke at the moment that stuff is only theory, it has not been proven to work here, and looking at the state of most people here is never likely to be proven neither.

But on the other hand, physical action DOES AND WILL work on them, if we ALL gather together in our masses, we will be unstoppable and we can physically remove, and dismantle them completely.

[bealert]

I've asked exactly the same question on here before myself.

Ever since learning what's happening, I've been frustrated by the certainty that there's no point knowing if you're not going to do something about it. trouble is, I've no idea what.

The answer I got was about freeman - on -the land.

Can't see the jack-booted thugs leaving me alone if I becme one though. (I didn't say that at the time, because the advice was given with kind intent).

All I can think is that at some time, an opportunity, or solution will present itself, & we'll be the ones to recognise it and take full advantage.

Good always triumphs over evil.
you say good always triumphs over evil I have my doubts about this, maybe it does in Hollywood but in real life i have serious doubts about this. The weak will never beat the strong as long as the strong control governments, mass media and the justice system. Saying Good always wins over evil is a statement from those that have lost the battle and don't know what else to do. While the mass media and governments continue to label conspiracies theorists as crazy we cannot get to the people we need to quickly enough, most of the people that can change things are probably corupted as well. Doesnt mean i have given up but ifail to see how we can win.

[reptileslayer]

reptileslayer wrote:


That fucking shocks me, mate

At your age, you think killing all the people you think are
responsible for fucking up your life is the solution.

Maybe you're right.

Maybe the world is fucked.
You Burk, i am not talking about killing anyone! I am talking about shutting down the illuminati families, and their puppets and oppo's which number a few thousand globally at the most, Its simple but obviously terrifying for most people even the awake ones. Firstly we ALL in our millions citizens arrest them, then we investigate them all, then we charge them, then we convict them, and then we lock them all up, or prefferbly execute them. You will even get people on here squealing about that :eek: but if you look at what attrocities these fuckers have done, and the many people they have murdered they deserve it no doubt.

PS: the illuminati, are not just who i blame for fucking us all up, of course Icke has written about this and spelled this out in his books for many years now. I thought you had said that you had read them seanx? :D

[reptileslayer]

well I totally agree with everything you have just said, like I said in my first post, they have us by the balls. So really we are in agreement.

Just pisses me off when someone makes a thread like this and you always get these blag Internet philosophers that have read a Icke book or seen a doc and then just waffle some garbage trying to sound clever.


And lets be truthful here, living in fear and being knowledgable of what the future could hold are two totally different things. I just don't want to get fucked over by these fuckers and I am sure no one else does, but alls I am saying is that I won't go down without a fight.
Its not something that might happen it is happening mate right now :eek:
And dont you think these scumbags have serious price to pay for all the crimes they have committed on our people globally? So that means it is the 'awake' peoples responsibility to bring these scumbags to book. sorry Redman my turn to fuck up lol. this was meant for someone else, see below.

[reptileslayer]

Redman no one is gonna do fuck all to change anything anyway. That's why I no longer give a shit because I know that's the way it is.
So, I don't waste my time pontificating, and never claim to be awake or call other sheople.

Only time people might pull together as one force is when there's no food in the shops, or the military is dropping bombs or rounding them up.

I know all about the research been at it along time.

The majority of people new to this stuff will not even listen or believe most of what you tell them anyhow.

Pisses me off that some here think they're making a difference when they're not. And then have the gaul to moan at others.

And what are we supposed to do about what's happening in other countries? There's nothing we can do. It's not our fault. We can only sympathise in reality.

Thousands of people in one protest against the Iraq war didn't change anything. The head Military man of the UK, resigned, saying the troops should withdraw.

You think anyone would give a shiny shite if War broke out in USA or UK, some countries would celebrate the fact especially Muslim owned countries, they create their own wars with their religions.

The Muslims reached Europe in 7th century. And would have taken over then and tried to convert all to Islam if they could have.

So why worry about something that you can do nothing about that's my main point. It's caused me enough problems as it is all this conspiracy stuff (yes some of it is real and factual) But I think some of it is prophets of doom who constantly tell us were all fucked.

And I don't wanna live in fear of what might happen no more.

Its not something that might happen it is happening mate right now
And dont you think these scumbags have a serious price to pay for all the crimes they have committed on our people globally? So that means it is the 'awake' peoples responsibility to bring these scumbags to book. So stop dodging your responsibilities.

[amethyst]

You guys still debating?

Here's what you can do: you can pray and ask for wisdom from the Spirit and you will get some answers. It's a lot better than arguing about stuff you have no control over.

[reptileslayer]

You guys still debating?

Here's what you can do: you can pray and ask for wisdom from the Spirit and you will get some answers. It's a lot better than arguing about stuff you have no control over.
I know and everyone else knows, what we have to do, its a matter of us all having the balls to do it. praying doesnt stop and remove them does it.

[size_of_light]

You guys still debating?

Here's what you can do: you can pray and ask for wisdom from the Spirit and you will get some answers. It's a lot better than arguing about stuff you have no control over.

Who can argue with the wisdom of the 'Country Church' :p ;)

[amethyst]

I know and everyone else knows, what we have to do, its a matter of us all having the balls to do it. praying doesnt stop and remove them does it.

Praying and asking for wisdom tells you exactly how to implement and achieve what you want to achieve, if it is a reasonable request, among other things.

[amethyst]

Who can argue with the wisdom of the 'Country Church' :p ;)

Ya dern right thar partner ;)

[size_of_light]

Ya dern right thar partner ;)

Don't change it by the way - I'm getting real fond of those guys. :)

[amethyst]

Don't change it by the way - I'm getting real fond of those guys. :)

I'm right fond of "my boys" ...thems is good sons, that do a mama proud :D

[size_of_light]

I'm right fond of "my boys" ...thems is good sons, that do a mama proud :D

:D

[eternal_spirit]

Its not something that might happen it is happening mate right now
And dont you think these scumbags have a serious price to pay for all the crimes they have committed on our people globally? So that means it is the 'awake' peoples responsibility to bring these scumbags to book. So stop dodging your responsibilities.
What do you suggest? Storm the Rothschilds etc you got no chance they'd blow your balls off! Or you'd end up in prison for the rest of your life.

Slay a few reptiles:rolleyes:

Responsibility? You don't know me from Adam, I choose to live a peaceful existence, I'm doing my bit. If everyone decided not to fight wars like me then that would be a start.
I believe everyone should be paid the same wages regardless of what job they do. The farmer and the baker are more important than most jobs.
They could bring a law in tomorrow to print more money and divide it equally. Raise the minimum wage to £10 an hour.
If a million people went on strike and protested changes maybe achieved. the system would grind to a halt, we could demand changes on many issues.

I'm up for it but not many are. I posted this years ago on here. I scrape by on a daily basis. But I'm not gonna fill the page with my problems (which are far more than probably most on here)

There's enough of everything on this planet to provide for every human being.

quote: redman
And lets be truthful here, living in fear and being knowledgable of what the future could hold are two totally different things. I just don't want to get fucked over by these fuckers and I am sure no one else does, but alls I am saying is that I won't go down without a fight.Agreed. To be aware is a start.

[lenejento]

I agree with Sade, humanity is not mature enough spiritually for reptileslayers plan. Many humans are very similar to the elite themselves, it's just a difference in scale and many could easily end up being as bad as the elite we have now and want power.

Seanx, I agree with you saying that people have thought that the "end times" would happen in their lifetime many times in the past, but was it as bad as they thought? Did it happen, no, so are the people claiming to be realistic really that?

The problem with asking the question: If we're powerful beyond our comprehension, how can we know? And saying it's gibberish, is that you want a comprehensive answer that your mind can hold and identify with. You are not the mind, you are that which is aware of mind and all phenomena, so you can only be it, not know it. This makes you more powerful than the mind and ALL phenomena by default. But this is no quick fix for your ego-mind to solve all worlds problems, the all doesen't quite work the same as your ego-mind would wish, so if it's something else you want except the truth of who you are then there's no helping.

But please cut me some slack, I've never been a religious person, I've dabbled into the new age, but after reading every book knew that "this isn't it". I am aware of the traps of the new age and religion etc, I want the truth. This is it, even though I might not be fully realized of it right now (which is why I hesitate to talk about it), because of some feeling of unworthyness I'm still holding on to, but this is the truth. I swear on my life.
There are other far better equipped than me to "help" you here though.

I was thinking yesterday, how about we meet half way?
Was thinking about how demonstrations work if there's enough people. But most people won't join for anti-government demonstrations, and like oiram said, this would give them the excuse to attack us. I was thinking how about how I would love for hemp-growing and free-energy in this world for example, I think it would be easier to get people to join in for these demonstrations if we educate them on what they're being deprived of? Hell, we could even use the already in place conditioning about pollution to get people to join for this. It would be of immense benefit to the world and humanity. There are many "small" individual things we could protest about that would be much easier to get most people to join, and that would stagnate the agenda alot, and make the world a much better place. If the government say refused to comply and rather attack it is likely most people would be on our side since we are only innocently wanting something that is good for the world, so I don't think this would be likely to happen to be honest. I know you want to get rid of the root of the problem right now, but humanity is not ready for this I think.

Then while protesting and making the world better, humanity could grow spiritually, more and more people waking up to the truth of themselves becoming incredibly responsible and loving humans. Eventually humanity wouldn't need govenment anymore and we could just calmly do away with them if they themselves haven't woken up to the truth of themselves which is also possible. Then have a peaceful anarchy or whatever it would be. :)

I'm just throwing ideas out there, this is just my imagination, it might be naive and completely wrong, and I might change my mind about it, but there you go :) lol

[john connor]

I know and everyone else knows, what we have to do, its a matter of us all having the balls to do it. praying doesnt stop and remove them does it.


I agree mate, you know it pisses me off when people call you a pessemist / doom monger etc when your just stating how you see things and I dont mean YOU personally

There are a few things in life that are very borderline in my book, fine line

arrogance / self confidence...someone with self confidence can appear arrogant to others

pessemist / realist ..why are you being negative when all you are trying to do is be realistic? isnt this at least a way to prepare as much as you can, be practical, In my experience people dont much care for realists, maybe they speak too many truths that people would rather not hear, thats not to say that there isnt any plain miserable gits that are only happy when they are preaching doom:D and no thats not aimed at anyone

[reptileslayer]

I agree mate, you know it pisses me off when people call you a pessemist / doom monger etc when your just stating how you see things and I dont mean YOU personally

There are a few things in life that are very borderline in my book, fine line

arrogance / self confidence...someone with self confidence can appear arrogant to others

pessemist / realist ..why are you being negative when all you are trying to do is be realistic? isnt this at least a way to prepare as much as you can, be practical, In my experience people dont much care for realists, maybe they speak too many truths that people would rather not hear, thats not to say that there isnt any plain miserable gits that are only happy when they are preaching doom:D and no thats not aimed at anyone
Good post sir i agree with you completely, have you noticed the deafening silence since your post, mmmmmmmm i wonder why :rolleyes:

[reptileslayer]

THE DEAFENING SOUND OF SILENCE, SIMON AND GARFUNKEL REMIX :D
Since Sade started this thread, asking what exactly can we do?


I know and everyone else knows, what we have to do, its a matter of us all having the balls to do it. praying does'nt stop and remove them does it.


Comments welcome if youre gonna come out of your Bunker :D

[starstuff]

Violence is not the answer.

Less balls more heart.

[cruise4]

It's their answer. If you think the 4th reich is going to be sweetness and love... good luck.

[john connor]

Violence is not the answer.

Less balls more heart.


No one is advocating violence as an answer but please tell me what will you do when someone you love is being dragged out the door?

I have stated "Im a writer not a fighter" I wanted a quiet life, so much for that...I refuse to go quietly at the whim of lunatics

[size_of_light]

Good post sir i agree with you completely, have you noticed the deafening silence since your post, mmmmmmmm i wonder why :rolleyes:

What's with the deafening silence? I can't find the post john made that would make everyone shut up? :confused:

Why are you not surprised by this 'deafening silence'?

What was the point that was made?

[starstuff]

No one is advocating violence as an answer but please tell me what will you do when someone you love is being dragged out the door?

I have stated "Im a writer not a fighter" I wanted a quiet life, so much for that...I refuse to go quietly at the whim of lunatics

If you think that nobody is advocating violence as an answer then I suggest you reread reptileslayer and redman's posts.

As for what I'd do if someone I love is being dragged out the door - try and stop it happening with words, then put myself in the way (literally they'd have to take them over my dead body). If I were to kill the person trying to take my loved one away, I'd be taking someone else's loved one away instead. Why would that be better? Sometimes it's better to let go of this existence willingly than perpetuate the system, IMO.

That's how it works for me. (In theory at any rate. I hope that if it ever comes to it, my actions match my beliefs.) Your mileage may vary.

[octopusrex]

I wonder what Bodhidharma would do.

[sade]

Dear all,

I still have no solution.
I can see that nobody else either.

Im going to stop informing people about NWO crap until I can tell them exactly what to do.
This is what I think is right to do, since I don't want anybody else to go through what Im going through.
(Which is that I know, but can't do shit about it.)

[bribean]

Dear all,

I still have no solution.
I can see that nobody else either.

Im going to stop informing people about NWO crap until I can tell them exactly what to do.
This is what I think is right to do, since I don't want anybody else to go through what Im going through.
(Which is that I know, but can't do shit about it.)

Sorry Iv'e not read the whole thread but what you propose to do above i.e. keeping shtum is exactly the wrong thing to do.

For all you know your answer may be waiting with one of the people you have yet to inform.

At the very least you will be doing something towards the collective consciousness. The hundredth monkey syndrome and all that.

Dont let the bastards get you down.

[sade]

Thanks mate! I won't!
It's just one of those days...Or weeks...

[seanx]

Sade wrote:
Dear all,

I still have no solution.
I can see that nobody else either.

Im going to stop informing people about NWO crap until I can tell them exactly what to do.
This is what I think is right to do, since I don't want anybody else to go through what Im going through.
(Which is that I know, but can't do shit about it.)


Most people on this site would tend to disagree with you.

A certain Mr Icke has written two comprehensive books
Tales of the time loop and Infinite love( and spent the last
5 years traveling the world lecturing on this solution)
detailing the origin, structure and solution to the Matrix
that the Elite have created to imprision and control our
consciousness.

I'm just wondering what aspect of this solution do you fine
difficult to accept or why do you think his solution is not the
solution we require.

[seanx]

Lenejento wrote:
I agree with Sade, humanity is not mature enough spiritually for reptileslayers plan. Many humans are very similar to the elite themselves, it's just a difference in scale and many could easily end up being as bad as the elite we have now and want power.

Seanx, I agree with you saying that people have thought that the "end times" would happen in their lifetime many times in the past, but was it as bad as they thought? Did it happen, no, so are the people claiming to be realistic really that?

The problem with asking the question: If we're powerful beyond our comprehension, how can we know? And saying it's gibberish, is that you want a comprehensive answer that your mind can hold and identify with. You are not the mind, you are that which is aware of mind and all phenomena, so you can only be it, not know it. This makes you more powerful than the mind and ALL phenomena by default. But this is no quick fix for your ego-mind to solve all worlds problems, the all doesen't quite work the same as your ego-mind would wish, so if it's something else you want except the truth of who you are then there's no helping.

But please cut me some slack, I've never been a religious person, I've dabbled into the new age, but after reading every book knew that "this isn't it". I am aware of the traps of the new age and religion etc, I want the truth. This is it, even though I might not be fully realized of it right now (which is why I hesitate to talk about it), because of some feeling of unworthyness I'm still holding on to, but this is the truth. I swear on my life.
There are other far better equipped than me to "help" you here though.

I was thinking yesterday, how about we meet half way?
Was thinking about how demonstrations work if there's enough people. But most people won't join for anti-government demonstrations, and like oiram said, this would give them the excuse to attack us. I was thinking how about how I would love for hemp-growing and free-energy in this world for example, I think it would be easier to get people to join in for these demonstrations if we educate them on what they're being deprived of? Hell, we could even use the already in place conditioning about pollution to get people to join for this. It would be of immense benefit to the world and humanity. There are many "small" individual things we could protest about that would be much easier to get most people to join, and that would stagnate the agenda alot, and make the world a much better place. If the government say refused to comply and rather attack it is likely most people would be on our side since we are only innocently wanting something that is good for the world, so I don't think this would be likely to happen to be honest. I know you want to get rid of the root of the problem right now, but humanity is not ready for this I think.

Then while protesting and making the world better, humanity could grow spiritually, more and more people waking up to the truth of themselves becoming incredibly responsible and loving humans. Eventually humanity wouldn't need govenment anymore and we could just calmly do away with them if they themselves haven't woken up to the truth of themselves which is also possible. Then have a peaceful anarchy or whatever it would be.

I'm just throwing ideas out there, this is just my imagination, it might be naive and completely wrong, and I might change my mind about it, but there you go lol
__________________

I tend to agree wit that.

Start with things that are non-controversal to build up support.

And use these things like hemp to show people how the
Elite have completely manipulated people' ideas of these topics.

I only recently realized that hemp seeds, for example are one of
the world's most POTENT super foods.

Yet ask 100 people on the street about hemp - and they'll
think it's nothing but a dangerous drug.

So the Elite have waged a centuries long war against all these
teaching plants that help to give us a glimpse into other
dimesnions ( Instead they have replaced these natural plants with
their deadly syntheic man-made drugs - that simply fuck up you
and keep you more chained then ever to this dimension)

Like wise with free energy.

Show people how they have been conned on these basic things
and that will open their minds to even more extraordinary things
they want to keep hidden from people)

[reptileslayer]

Praying and asking for wisdom tells you exactly how to implement and achieve what you want to achieve, if it is a reasonable request, among other things.
If you have half a brain and are aware we know who the criminals are, and wheres many of them are. It is our responsibility to arrest and deal with them now, not waste our time 'praying' we already know now what has to be done, like many 'aware' people in the world please stop ducking and diving.

[reptileslayer]

What's with the deafening silence? I can't find the post john made that would make everyone shut up? :confused:

Why are you not surprised by this 'deafening silence'?

What was the point that was made?
Look at my responding post i made to sade the thread starter. And predictably there is a lot of silence because most 'aware people' do not have the guts to do what is required of us all.

[reptileslayer]

What do you suggest? Storm the Rothschilds etc you got no chance they'd blow your balls off! Or you'd end up in prison for the rest of your life.

Slay a few reptiles:rolleyes:

Responsibility? You don't know me from Adam, I choose to live a peaceful existence, I'm doing my bit. If everyone decided not to fight wars like me then that would be a start.
I believe everyone should be paid the same wages regardless of what job they do. The farmer and the baker are more important than most jobs.
They could bring a law in tomorrow to print more money and divide it equally. Raise the minimum wage to £10 an hour.
If a million people went on strike and protested changes maybe achieved. the system would grind to a halt, we could demand changes on many issues.

I'm up for it but not many are. I posted this years ago on here. I scrape by on a daily basis. But I'm not gonna fill the page with my problems (which are far more than probably most on here)

There's enough of everything on this planet to provide for every human being.

Agreed. To be aware is a start.
Not just the Rothchilds also the other 12 or so main illuminati families, i am not advocating violence if there are millions of people, marching and moving on them all directly to make citizens arrests, they do not stand a chance. Regarding the military and police they are someones family members (they are us), we talk to them all and explain what is being done, they will have to back down from millions of people.

[kblood]

More and more people seem to be waking up, and it seems to be its a snowball rolling down a mountain. Eventually we will hit critical mass and then the real lavine will begin. Answers are already comming, and with forums like this it seems we stand a good chance of compiling them and spreading them.

[reptileslayer]

Violence is not the answer.

Less balls more heart.
And how does the heart achieve arresting these criminals? Not just the Rothchilds also the other 12 or so main illuminati families, i am not advocating violence if there are millions of people, marching and moving on them all directly to make citizens arrests, they do not stand a chance. Regarding the military and police they are someones family member, we talk to them all and explain what is being done, they will have to back down from millions of people.

[reptileslayer]

Lenejento wrote:


I tend to agree wit that.

Start with things that are non-controversal to build up support.

And use these things like hemp to show people how the
Elite have completely manipulated people' ideas of these topics.

I only recently realized that hemp seeds, for example are one of
the world's most POTENT super foods.

Yet ask 100 people on the street about hemp - and they'll
think it's nothing but a dangerous drug.

So the Elite have waged a centuries long war against all these
teaching plants that help to give us a glimpse into other
dimesnions ( Instead they have replaced these natural plants with
their deadly syntheic man-made drugs - that simply fuck up you
and keep you more chained then ever to this dimension)

Like wise with free energy.

Show people how they have been conned on these basic things
and that will open their minds to even more extraordinary things
they want to keep hidden from people)
Unfortunately i agree with Lenejento, i also think man is still too spiritually inmature to deal with the NWO properly (if thats the case we are F*****)
i agree with some of the things you say seanx but im afraid that you go off beam and miss the point a lot. Time is very very short my friend and we definately DO NOT have any more time to metaphysically procrastinate, action has to be immediate and on simple physical levels that the people can get their heads around. WE need to move on them now and arrest and deal with them now.

[octopusrex]

The awakening has nothing to do with the NWO.

[reptileslayer]

The awakening has nothing to do with the NWO.
What? You fool, its only the awake people who have any chance of dealing with the NWO. So while you daydream and procrastinate, youre prepared to let the NWO to carry on murdering and plundering us all?
And a lot of the awakening is about the existence of the NWO and what they are doing to us all. Is that all you have got to reply with.

[vladmir]

http://relax.forum2u.org/logos/relax/relax_7_.jpg :)
oh yes yes yes, im hitting it, im hitting it...ahhhhhh!!!! :D

[vladmir]

Dear all,

I still have no solution.
I can see that nobody else either.

Im going to stop informing people about NWO crap until I can tell them exactly what to do.
This is what I think is right to do, since I don't want anybody else to go through what Im going through.
(Which is that I know, but can't do shit about it.)
B a d Idea.
If you dont speak out, you will regret it later, that you didnt do your bit.
I just dont have any expectations when i tell someone this information.
I dont care if they like it or not, abuse me or not, think im looney or not.
I just tell them anyway, and if they dont like it, thats tough.

[measle_weasel]

You can only prepare yourself, really. You can show others the facts, but if they dont want to listen, you cant make them. If you lead by example, maybe others will get the message that way, and ask you for more information, though it wont be much more effective than not doing anything at all. It comes down to, what do people want to believe? If they dont want to believe in an NWO, then they wont listen to what you have to say, even though that wont change the reality of the situation.

As many on this thread have already said, its really looking like the public is going to come up a day late and a dollar short, and most are going to just go with whatever is given to them (though they might complain alot about it). Most people want someone else to save them, but they never want to save themselves. The NWO uses this exquisitely to their advantage.

Again, prepare yourself materially, AND spiritually, for whatever is ahead. This battle wont be over once the shit hits the fan so to speak... it will drag out for many, many years, possibly even generations. You must personally survive the initial blow if you want to make a difference down the road. Although this is deffinitely not inevitable, it is likely. Hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.

[cruise4]

"its really looking like the public is going to come up a day late and a dollar short"

Sadly I think you are right.

[tonak]

I got to page 9 and could not read it all.

First to start with a metaphor.

"You Can Bring a Lit Candle Into A Dark Room, and Light It Up, Making the Darkness Run. You Can't Bring Darkness Into a Room and Expect The Light To Dash Away."

Now the solutions i read have fallen into two categories.

A.) Internal
B.) External

You are both right, and you are both wrong!

BALANCE You need balance!

First it is necessary to know your enemy, they know you very well. If you play a game of chess with somebody who has seen you play ten times, and you have seen them play none, its pretty obvious who is going to win isn't it?

So once you know your enemy what then? You must know Yourself, you must understand what they think they know, and use that knowledge to your advantage as well.

Some say meditate free your mind of thought patterns and negative energy, which i support. But i believe that is only one side of the answer. There is more, I wont go into concepts of critical mass, you are all on David Icke forums I'm pretty sure you know all of that. But lets say we reach critical mass, the way they put it is the world is going to poof and we are all going to be okay. I don't believe that is the case, i believe we must take action with critical mass, or without. ACTION and RESPONSIBILITY are key.

I now must quote fight club. "It is only when you have lost everything that you are free to do anything"

This is a necessary step if you truly want to change things. If you are not prepared to lose everything. Then you might as well go in house turn on Friends and leave this forum right now.

At this point i would recommend a book Called Crime Think : "Days of War Nights of Love" Its truly amazing and i believe everyone should read it.

So. External Solutions ( I believe it is necessary for all of these to be followed for an optimal chance of success. )

A.) Spread the Truth. If you believe that there are never going to be enough people to change things, then you are a living contradiction. Every single person on this planet has that gut feeling that something is wrong. Look at how many people were fighting for the truth today, and look at it twenty years ago. Alot of people have awakened. These numbers grow every day. Every single person i have ever talked to about this issues has only wanted to know more, and i speak to a number of different people every day.

B.) Understand the System, this kind of goes with knowing your enemy, but further, it is to understand the tools that they use to entrap you, it a spiritual and physical sense. Learn the laws, learn about your governments history, learn about your unalienable rights, learn why they are no longer supported by the laws you live by. There is currently a movement going on right now Called the Freeman society. These individuals have spent horrendous amounts of energy learning the system, and using it to support there right and their freedoms, If done successfully You won't be thrown into a FEMA camp, because you beat them at there own game. ( If you live in america, look up Sovereignty. Keep in mind this is a very uncharted path, and if you choose to take it be prepared to go to jail a few times, but vask in the fact that you will have them paying you retribution in court, and you will be raising the awareness of the police.)

C.) Buy Land, In america there is only one state where you can purchase an Alodial Title which means you own the land from the ground down. But it is possible to do this in other states by changing the land patent, I wont go into depth about this but if you want more information send me a private message, or do the research yourself. When the Fed calls back the Debt in America Every bit of land will go to them, which is my beleif when the FEMA camps will go into play. "You cant live on our land but you can live here." However if you own an alodial title, they will not take your land.

D.) Orginization, With the people who live around you who beleive in TBTB or even those who dont but understand they are being oppressed. Make it clear to them that things are going to get worse before they get better, orginize, conduct meetings Grow in numbers. The powers that be have used secret societies and stuff of that nature to manipulate us to such a point where we have no clue. Use it againsts them, at the least keep up untill other and better methods come to our creative minds.

E.) Stockpile Guns, bury them. Why i do beleive that life is sacred and that murder is the last answer i understand that if someone is willing to attempt to violite my right to the property of my body and my right to life, they have already abandonded there right, and i have every right to defend myself as neccisarily. There is another reason why i beleive we should stockpile guns but i will go into that later.

F.) Start a family, raise children, every child in this world that is raised with "enlightened" parents will not become slaves to the system, if things will not be resolved in our generation then it will be the next. If you have any friends with children, talk to them about our current situation, talk to them about what the education system does, what the news does, talk to them about the fluoride in our water. Every mind we free is a recruite, but children are freebies, they can be born with a free mind.

G.) Destroy your T.V. When you want to be entertained create something to do with people you care about, rather that watch T.V. and train your mind to be merely perceptive and nothing Else.

It is at this point i will bring you to the star wars metaphor. Creto Mutwa said that a number of Aliens he has seen were depicted in the star wars movie series. Maybe george lucas is in the know, maybe he wanted to offer us a lil help in the form of a metaphor. Or maybe its published as a fantasy so we will never look at such things as reality, but whatever the effect depends on you, not his intentions.

We are the Jedi, the ones who want peace and freedom. In The movies, They emporer was granted Supreme powers, Which is What FEMA does in a state of emergency. And the emperor never gave back his power, he instead went on a campaign for domination of the universe. (NWO) At this point it became clear to everyone who was behind it, and there reasons. Twenty years past, the Empire rules the majority of the galaxy, Look skywalker comes into play Meets Ben kenobi, and goes on adventures blah blah blah, he eventually meets the rebellion and brings down the death star, twice actually. After the movies, the empire is sent into recession and the first chance of peace and hope falls into the galaxy.

Maybe this is a metaphor for now, The NWO will happen and maybe thats what it will take for people to awaken and a true rebellion to surface.

Nostradamus, predicted a WW3 and then 75 years of peace. Maybe we are the ones that break that 75 years of peace. Of maybe we are the ones that secure it.

This reminds me a great man i once knew. I shall call him Zedd, He always told me when i was in a situation with a problem and couldn't seem to get out of it to "Focus on the Solution, Never the problem" Although at first i did not understand it, it still worked. If you can put energy into the problem it can only grow, but to put energy into the solution however small, it will grow.

When i read through these forums i sensed alot of conflict, well i perceived it as well, but also what i sensed was alot of anger. People on here have said to these individuals, your negative thinking only aids the problem, this is true to an extent, So try not to look at the situation in a negative way, But understand this. Righteous Anger is one of the most powerful emotions in the world.

Please don't place your power in someone else, if you beleive in jesus or god, don't pray to him for a miracle, empower yourself and bring the miracle to life.

Please don't give in the system, only play their games if your going to win.

And Please don't take it too seriously, Life is a dream or in the case a nightmare, and one day were going to wake up, simple as that. Alot of people take this idea and quit fighting, Not me, i fight for a better dream, even though one day i will awaken.


So in conclusion, I beleive it is a combination of spirituality and Physical Reality, the physical is the manifestation of the spiritual. Lets change this world.

If you don't agree with what i said, or find flaws, Rather than argue about it, lets put our minds together and create something better, create something more. I'm open to constructive criticismn.

Peace and Love to you All
Dekayed.

[cruise4]

That is a really good post tonak.

[lizzy]

Correct the looking at yourself shite, does not apply to this present situation on this planet, even the elite are restricted to arming, and operating on a very physical level, on this level, so the answer is to disarm them on a physical level period.

exactly , and the minute peeps start mixing personal spiritual growth with fighting the NWO the whole argument is screwed.......:rolleyes:
Seanx is the worst offender ( I mean nwo agenda 21 goffer).....he would tell you to unblock your loo with 'infinate love'.......:D

[lizzy]

That is a really good post tonak.


hi cruise4, yup, :)

hey tonak in C)......do you know which state you can purchase an Alodial Title ? Great post.:)

There are no easy answers out of this 6000yr eugenics agenda.

[starstuff]

Really good post tonak, sensible thoughts very clearly expressed, has helped me with some things I've been stuck on. Thanks. :)

EDIT: Get a dog, or not? Still haven't worked that one out. I'm a cat person and clearing up dogpoo doesn't appeal at all, but having a guard dog could be very handy.

MORE EDIT:

H) Buy heirloom seeds, grow your own organic food and medicine.

[reptileslayer]

You can only prepare yourself, really. You can show others the facts, but if they dont want to listen, you cant make them. If you lead by example, maybe others will get the message that way, and ask you for more information, though it wont be much more effective than not doing anything at all. It comes down to, what do people want to believe? If they dont want to believe in an NWO, then they wont listen to what you have to say, even though that wont change the reality of the situation.

As many on this thread have already said, its really looking like the public is going to come up a day late and a dollar short, and most are going to just go with whatever is given to them (though they might complain alot about it). Most people want someone else to save them, but they never want to save themselves. The NWO uses this exquisitely to their advantage.

Again, prepare yourself materially, AND spiritually, for whatever is ahead. This battle wont be over once the shit hits the fan so to speak... it will drag out for many, many years, possibly even generations. You must personally survive the initial blow if you want to make a difference down the road. Although this is deffinitely not inevitable, it is likely. Hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.
You are so right, Its just very very frustrating, knowing that if the people respond and do the right things, to deal with the NWO most of this crap on the planet will be over very quickly. This is what upsets me the most.



DO NOT wait for the NWO (ss) to knock on your door, to take you to the gas chambers. Take steps to make sure they don't even develope to begin with,
so that there is no one to come and knock on your door.

[reptileslayer]

exactly , and the minute peeps start mixing personal spiritual growth with fighting the NWO the whole argument is screwed.......:rolleyes:
Seanx is the worst offender ( I mean nwo agenda 21 goffer).....he would tell you to unblock your loo with 'infinate love'.......:D
PSML Lizzy, yeah thats seanx all over, couldn't be a better NWO disinfo agent if they paid him, they are getting good value out of him. :D

[lizzy]

You are so right, Its just very very frustrating, knowing that if the people respond and do the right things, to deal with the NWO most of this crap on the planet will be over very quickly. This is what upsets me the most.



DO NOT wait for the NWO (ss) to knock on your door, to take you to the gas chambers. Take steps to make sure they don't even develope to begin with,
so that there is no one to come and knock on your door.

hi repileslayer,.....that might include wiping our hard drives clean too,:

"The Plans were All Made Before 9-11,
Loot from Market Goes to Money Heaven,
Now Taxpayers Pay with Bailouts and Buyouts,
And Governments Ready to Deal With Riots,
Portrayed as Power Plays Between the Classes,
Through Media Repetition to the Masses,
Planned Global Takedown, Planned Disorder,
Equality in Poverty from the New World Order,
Private Bankers' Foundations Advising Governments
To Protect Them from Disquieting Uncoverments,
These Private Foundations have Ruled Us for Years,
With Their NGOs Acting as Spears,
Forcing Through Laws, Too Many to List 'em,
To Destroy Nation-States, Hail Global System"

http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_262_A_Question_to_Beg__Wh o_Stole_Golden_Egg_Feb232009.mp3
http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_262_A_Question_to_Beg__Wh o_Stole_Golden_Egg_Feb232009.mp3

[reptileslayer]

I got to page 9 and could not read it all.

First to start with a metaphor.

"You Can Bring a Lit Candle Into A Dark Room, and Light It Up, Making the Darkness Run. You Can't Bring Darkness Into a Room and Expect The Light To Dash Away."

Now the solutions i read have fallen into two categories.

A.) Internal
B.) External

You are both right, and you are both wrong!

BALANCE You need balance!

First it is necessary to know your enemy, they know you very well. If you play a game of chess with somebody who has seen you play ten times, and you have seen them play none, its pretty obvious who is going to win isn't it?

So once you know your enemy what then? You must know Yourself, you must understand what they think they know, and use that knowledge to your advantage as well.

Some say meditate free your mind of thought patterns and negative energy, which i support. But i believe that is only one side of the answer. There is more, I wont go into concepts of critical mass, you are all on David Icke forums I'm pretty sure you know all of that. But lets say we reach critical mass, the way they put it is the world is going to poof and we are all going to be okay. I don't believe that is the case, i believe we must take action with critical mass, or without. ACTION and RESPONSIBILITY are key.

I now must quote fight club. "It is only when you have lost everything that you are free to do anything"

This is a necessary step if you truly want to change things. If you are not prepared to lose everything. Then you might as well go in house turn on Friends and leave this forum right now.

At this point i would recommend a book Called Crime Think : "Days of War Nights of Love" Its truly amazing and i believe everyone should read it.

So. External Solutions ( I believe it is necessary for all of these to be followed for an optimal chance of success. )

A.) Spread the Truth. If you believe that there are never going to be enough people to change things, then you are a living contradiction. Every single person on this planet has that gut feeling that something is wrong. Look at how many people were fighting for the truth today, and look at it twenty years ago. Alot of people have awakened. These numbers grow every day. Every single person i have ever talked to about this issues has only wanted to know more, and i speak to a number of different people every day.

B.) Understand the System, this kind of goes with knowing your enemy, but further, it is to understand the tools that they use to entrap you, it a spiritual and physical sense. Learn the laws, learn about your governments history, learn about your unalienable rights, learn why they are no longer supported by the laws you live by. There is currently a movement going on right now Called the Freeman society. These individuals have spent horrendous amounts of energy learning the system, and using it to support there right and their freedoms, If done successfully You won't be thrown into a FEMA camp, because you beat them at there own game. ( If you live in america, look up Sovereignty. Keep in mind this is a very uncharted path, and if you choose to take it be prepared to go to jail a few times, but vask in the fact that you will have them paying you retribution in court, and you will be raising the awareness of the police.)

C.) Buy Land, In america there is only one state where you can purchase an Alodial Title which means you own the land from the ground down. But it is possible to do this in other states by changing the land patent, I wont go into depth about this but if you want more information send me a private message, or do the research yourself. When the Fed calls back the Debt in America Every bit of land will go to them, which is my beleif when the FEMA camps will go into play. "You cant live on our land but you can live here." However if you own an alodial title, they will not take your land.

D.) Orginization, With the people who live around you who beleive in TBTB or even those who dont but understand they are being oppressed. Make it clear to them that things are going to get worse before they get better, orginize, conduct meetings Grow in numbers. The powers that be have used secret societies and stuff of that nature to manipulate us to such a point where we have no clue. Use it againsts them, at the least keep up untill other and better methods come to our creative minds.

E.) Stockpile Guns, bury them. Why i do beleive that life is sacred and that murder is the last answer i understand that if someone is willing to attempt to violite my right to the property of my body and my right to life, they have already abandonded there right, and i have every right to defend myself as neccisarily. There is another reason why i beleive we should stockpile guns but i will go into that later.

F.) Start a family, raise children, every child in this world that is raised with "enlightened" parents will not become slaves to the system, if things will not be resolved in our generation then it will be the next. If you have any friends with children, talk to them about our current situation, talk to them about what the education system does, what the news does, talk to them about the fluoride in our water. Every mind we free is a recruite, but children are freebies, they can be born with a free mind.

G.) Destroy your T.V. When you want to be entertained create something to do with people you care about, rather that watch T.V. and train your mind to be merely perceptive and nothing Else.

It is at this point i will bring you to the star wars metaphor. Creto Mutwa said that a number of Aliens he has seen were depicted in the star wars movie series. Maybe george lucas is in the know, maybe he wanted to offer us a lil help in the form of a metaphor. Or maybe its published as a fantasy so we will never look at such things as reality, but whatever the effect depends on you, not his intentions.

We are the Jedi, the ones who want peace and freedom. In The movies, They emporer was granted Supreme powers, Which is What FEMA does in a state of emergency. And the emperor never gave back his power, he instead went on a campaign for domination of the universe. (NWO) At this point it became clear to everyone who was behind it, and there reasons. Twenty years past, the Empire rules the majority of the galaxy, Look skywalker comes into play Meets Ben kenobi, and goes on adventures blah blah blah, he eventually meets the rebellion and brings down the death star, twice actually. After the movies, the empire is sent into recession and the first chance of peace and hope falls into the galaxy.

Maybe this is a metaphor for now, The NWO will happen and maybe thats what it will take for people to awaken and a true rebellion to surface.

Nostradamus, predicted a WW3 and then 75 years of peace. Maybe we are the ones that break that 75 years of peace. Of maybe we are the ones that secure it.

This reminds me a great man i once knew. I shall call him Zedd, He always told me when i was in a situation with a problem and couldn't seem to get out of it to "Focus on the Solution, Never the problem" Although at first i did not understand it, it still worked. If you can put energy into the problem it can only grow, but to put energy into the solution however small, it will grow.

When i read through these forums i sensed alot of conflict, well i perceived it as well, but also what i sensed was alot of anger. People on here have said to these individuals, your negative thinking only aids the problem, this is true to an extent, So try not to look at the situation in a negative way, But understand this. Righteous Anger is one of the most powerful emotions in the world.

Please don't place your power in someone else, if you beleive in jesus or god, don't pray to him for a miracle, empower yourself and bring the miracle to life.

Please don't give in the system, only play their games if your going to win.

And Please don't take it too seriously, Life is a dream or in the case a nightmare, and one day were going to wake up, simple as that. Alot of people take this idea and quit fighting, Not me, i fight for a better dream, even though one day i will awaken.


So in conclusion, I beleive it is a combination of spirituality and Physical Reality, the physical is the manifestation of the spiritual. Lets change this world.

If you don't agree with what i said, or find flaws, Rather than argue about it, lets put our minds together and create something better, create something more. I'm open to constructive criticismn.

Peace and Love to you All
Dekayed.
Good post tonak, thankyou.

[reptileslayer]

[QUOTE=lizzy;825669]hi repileslayer,.....that might include wiping our hard drives clean too,:

"The Plans were All Made Before 9-11,
Loot from Market Goes to Money Heaven,
Now Taxpayers Pay with Bailouts and Buyouts,
And Governments Ready to Deal With Riots,
Portrayed as Power Plays Between the Classes,
Through Media Repetition to the Masses,
Planned Global Takedown, Planned Disorder,
Equality in Poverty from the New World Order,
Private Bankers' Foundations Advising Governments
To Protect Them from Disquieting Uncoverments,
These Private Foundations have Ruled Us for Years,
With Their NGOs Acting as Spears,
Forcing Through Laws, Too Many to List 'em,
To Destroy Nation-States, Hail Global System"

http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_262_A_Question_to_Beg__Wh o_Stole_Golden_Egg_Feb232009.mp3
http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_262_A_Question_to_Beg__Wh o_Stole_Golden_Egg_Feb232009.mp3[/QUOTE
Very good Lizzy. :)

[oiram]

I got to page 9 and could not read it all.

First to start with a metaphor.

"You Can Bring a Lit Candle Into A Dark Room, and Light It Up, Making the Darkness Run. You Can't Bring Darkness Into a Room and Expect The Light To Dash Away."

Now the solutions i read have fallen into two categories.

A.) Internal
B.) External

You are both right, and you are both wrong!

BALANCE You need balance!

First it is necessary to know your enemy, they know you very well. If you play a game of chess with somebody who has seen you play ten times, and you have seen them play none, its pretty obvious who is going to win isn't it?

So once you know your enemy what then? You must know Yourself, you must understand what they think they know, and use that knowledge to your advantage as well.

Some say meditate free your mind of thought patterns and negative energy, which i support. But i believe that is only one side of the answer. There is more, I wont go into concepts of critical mass, you are all on David Icke forums I'm pretty sure you know all of that. But lets say we reach critical mass, the way they put it is the world is going to poof and we are all going to be okay. I don't believe that is the case, i believe we must take action with critical mass, or without. ACTION and RESPONSIBILITY are key.

I now must quote fight club. "It is only when you have lost everything that you are free to do anything"

This is a necessary step if you truly want to change things. If you are not prepared to lose everything. Then you might as well go in house turn on Friends and leave this forum right now.

At this point i would recommend a book Called Crime Think : "Days of War Nights of Love" Its truly amazing and i believe everyone should read it.

So. External Solutions ( I believe it is necessary for all of these to be followed for an optimal chance of success. )

A.) Spread the Truth. If you believe that there are never going to be enough people to change things, then you are a living contradiction. Every single person on this planet has that gut feeling that something is wrong. Look at how many people were fighting for the truth today, and look at it twenty years ago. Alot of people have awakened. These numbers grow every day. Every single person i have ever talked to about this issues has only wanted to know more, and i speak to a number of different people every day.

B.) Understand the System, this kind of goes with knowing your enemy, but further, it is to understand the tools that they use to entrap you, it a spiritual and physical sense. Learn the laws, learn about your governments history, learn about your unalienable rights, learn why they are no longer supported by the laws you live by. There is currently a movement going on right now Called the Freeman society. These individuals have spent horrendous amounts of energy learning the system, and using it to support there right and their freedoms, If done successfully You won't be thrown into a FEMA camp, because you beat them at there own game. ( If you live in america, look up Sovereignty. Keep in mind this is a very uncharted path, and if you choose to take it be prepared to go to jail a few times, but vask in the fact that you will have them paying you retribution in court, and you will be raising the awareness of the police.)

C.) Buy Land, In america there is only one state where you can purchase an Alodial Title which means you own the land from the ground down. But it is possible to do this in other states by changing the land patent, I wont go into depth about this but if you want more information send me a private message, or do the research yourself. When the Fed calls back the Debt in America Every bit of land will go to them, which is my beleif when the FEMA camps will go into play. "You cant live on our land but you can live here." However if you own an alodial title, they will not take your land.

D.) Orginization, With the people who live around you who beleive in TBTB or even those who dont but understand they are being oppressed. Make it clear to them that things are going to get worse before they get better, orginize, conduct meetings Grow in numbers. The powers that be have used secret societies and stuff of that nature to manipulate us to such a point where we have no clue. Use it againsts them, at the least keep up untill other and better methods come to our creative minds.

E.) Stockpile Guns, bury them. Why i do beleive that life is sacred and that murder is the last answer i understand that if someone is willing to attempt to violite my right to the property of my body and my right to life, they have already abandonded there right, and i have every right to defend myself as neccisarily. There is another reason why i beleive we should stockpile guns but i will go into that later.

F.) Start a family, raise children, every child in this world that is raised with "enlightened" parents will not become slaves to the system, if things will not be resolved in our generation then it will be the next. If you have any friends with children, talk to them about our current situation, talk to them about what the education system does, what the news does, talk to them about the fluoride in our water. Every mind we free is a recruite, but children are freebies, they can be born with a free mind.

G.) Destroy your T.V. When you want to be entertained create something to do with people you care about, rather that watch T.V. and train your mind to be merely perceptive and nothing Else.

It is at this point i will bring you to the star wars metaphor. Creto Mutwa said that a number of Aliens he has seen were depicted in the star wars movie series. Maybe george lucas is in the know, maybe he wanted to offer us a lil help in the form of a metaphor. Or maybe its published as a fantasy so we will never look at such things as reality, but whatever the effect depends on you, not his intentions.

We are the Jedi, the ones who want peace and freedom. In The movies, They emporer was granted Supreme powers, Which is What FEMA does in a state of emergency. And the emperor never gave back his power, he instead went on a campaign for domination of the universe. (NWO) At this point it became clear to everyone who was behind it, and there reasons. Twenty years past, the Empire rules the majority of the galaxy, Look skywalker comes into play Meets Ben kenobi, and goes on adventures blah blah blah, he eventually meets the rebellion and brings down the death star, twice actually. After the movies, the empire is sent into recession and the first chance of peace and hope falls into the galaxy.

Maybe this is a metaphor for now, The NWO will happen and maybe thats what it will take for people to awaken and a true rebellion to surface.

Nostradamus, predicted a WW3 and then 75 years of peace. Maybe we are the ones that break that 75 years of peace. Of maybe we are the ones that secure it.

This reminds me a great man i once knew. I shall call him Zedd, He always told me when i was in a situation with a problem and couldn't seem to get out of it to "Focus on the Solution, Never the problem" Although at first i did not understand it, it still worked. If you can put energy into the problem it can only grow, but to put energy into the solution however small, it will grow.

When i read through these forums i sensed alot of conflict, well i perceived it as well, but also what i sensed was alot of anger. People on here have said to these individuals, your negative thinking only aids the problem, this is true to an extent, So try not to look at the situation in a negative way, But understand this. Righteous Anger is one of the most powerful emotions in the world.

Please don't place your power in someone else, if you beleive in jesus or god, don't pray to him for a miracle, empower yourself and bring the miracle to life.

Please don't give in the system, only play their games if your going to win.

And Please don't take it too seriously, Life is a dream or in the case a nightmare, and one day were going to wake up, simple as that. Alot of people take this idea and quit fighting, Not me, i fight for a better dream, even though one day i will awaken.


So in conclusion, I beleive it is a combination of spirituality and Physical Reality, the physical is the manifestation of the spiritual. Lets change this world.

If you don't agree with what i said, or find flaws, Rather than argue about it, lets put our minds together and create something better, create something more. I'm open to constructive criticismn.

Peace and Love to you All
Dekayed.http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/gramsbump.gif

[amethyst]

If you have half a brain and are aware we know who the criminals are, and wheres many of them are. It is our responsibility to arrest and deal with them now, not waste our time 'praying' we already know now what has to be done, like many 'aware' people in the world please stop ducking and diving.

I do have half a brain and I do know that prayer works. It is not a waste of time, but it certainly will not work for you or on your behalf with the attitude that you have.

You can be doing all the "right things" in your own estimation but still fail completely because you have not gotten information from a source that knows more than you do in your limited finite being. But I have a feeling this will fall on deaf ears, because you are limited in what you want to receive.

You've already made up your mind and these postings of yours are simply an attempt to "hear yourself talk'. You do not appear to really want or need anyone's else's opinions.

[seanx]

Lizzy wrote


exactly , and the minute peeps start mixing personal spiritual growth with fighting the NWO the whole argument is screwed.......
Seanx is the worst offender ( I mean nwo agenda 21 goffer).....he would tell you to unblock your loo with 'infinate love'

reptileslayer wrote:

PSML Lizzy, yeah thats seanx all over, couldn't be a better NWO disinfo agent if they paid him, they are getting good value out of him

Just reading their posts ....you have to feel pity for them

They clearly live in their simplistic black and white world where
all their problems are SOMEONE'S fault.

Powerlessness personified.

Wripe the Elite off the face of the earth and we'll have paradise
on earth.

Everything will be perfect.


Today, I saw one of the most sickening things I've seen in
a long time.


It was outside a school gate,

A man, who must have been in his mid-30's started shouting
and ranting at a poor young African woman who was also
collecting her little child.

He started telling her he had no job etc.....and she and her like
should fuck off back to where they came from.

The same old crap from these people.

And then with that, he SPAT in her face ....and then spat at the
kid.

So let me tell you Mr reptileslayer and the other fear-monger on
this forum, Lizzy you can kill every single member of the Elite,
EVERYONE of them......but nothing will fundamentally
change.......

UNLESS we FIRST tackle the real cause....the real problem.

You and me ....and the frightened, terrified and separative
state of consciousness from which we live our lives.



Here's the point:


You can murder every Elite person you can find...

But......

For example....

You will still have racism ....unless you first take the belief
out of people's minds that one race is superior to another race.

( That scumbag who spat at the woman wasn't one of the Elite.
He was 'one of us')

You will still have greed and thus people, ABUSING, killing and
robbing each other because they will still BELIEVE there is not enough
for everybody.

You still have wars among countries.....because people will still
BELIEVE that their country or RELIGION is better than other
countries ...and thus should submit to them.

You will still have death and disease because people will still
BELIEVE that they are powerless and do not have the abilty
to heal themselves.

That's why Icke says the ONLY REAL CHANGE is when we
change ourselves.

When we start to identify ourselves with what we truely are....
Iinfinite Consciousness ....and not the fearful,frightened, terrified
and separatist self that the Elite's schools and psychologies WANT
US TO IDENTIFY WITH

As for killing the 'Elite' and repacing them with the 'ordinary man',
it has already been done.

The Russians got rid of one tryrant - and in his place, they
got Stalin and a whole new ruling 'Elite'.

.....Who gradually assumed all the powers privileges of the past
elite.

And did anything change.

Nothing.

The new rulers were worst than the last ones.

Also, when you have time. read the novel 'Animal farm'.

Same story. Same result.

[kblood]

What? You fool, its only the awake people who have any chance of dealing with the NWO. So while you daydream and procrastinate, youre prepared to let the NWO to carry on murdering and plundering us all?
And a lot of the awakening is about the existence of the NWO and what they are doing to us all. Is that all you have got to reply with.

Awakening people frees them from the NWO. Individually its easier than freeing everyone at once. Like someone probably already said in this thread, if the Rothschilds are dealt with, there will just be others with a similar agenda. The whole pyramid wont crumble by taking away the top, its supported by the many smaller pyramids its built upon and supported by. Another top will already be there to replace it. The Rothschilds might not even be the headstone of the whole thing.

So saving people means awakening them in my oppinion. What would be most effective? Taking down a major company, or have it realise that it could do even better and for a longer time by actually becomming aware and learn better and more efficient ways of helping people? In the US, their car companies are realising the error of not focusing on fuel efficiency. Soon they might also learn of the error of not seeking out alternative fuel sources before the oil companies patents them.

Working together for a better future would strengthen most companies, but most dont realise it. They would rather keep competing and try to be the ones earning the most, even though they will most likely end up buying up most the competition or become bought up by the competition.

Wake people up to the dangers of banking, and to help them free themselves of useless addictions society tries to pull down over our heads. TV with meaningless drama, food products that should have strong warning labels on them and medicine that should not even be sold as health products or advertised as the best thing to do about some ailment.

[reptileslayer]

Lizzy wrote




reptileslayer wrote:



Just reading their posts ....you have to feel pity for them

They clearly live in their simplistic black and white world where
all their problems are SOMEONE'S fault.

Powerlessness personified.

Wripe the Elite off the face of the earth and we'll have paradise
on earth.

Everything will be perfect.


Today, I saw one of the most sickening things I've seen in
a long time.


It was outside a school gate,

A man, who must have been in his mid-30's started shouting
and ranting at a poor young African woman who was also
collecting her little child.

He started telling her he had no job etc.....and she and her like
should fuck off back to where they came from.

The same old crap from these people.

And then with that, he SPAT in her face ....and then spat at the
kid.

So let me tell you Mr reptileslayer and the other fear-monger on
this forum, Lizzy you can kill every single member of the Elite,
EVERYONE of them......but nothing will fundamentally
change.......

UNLESS we FIRST tackle the real cause....the real problem.

You and me ....and the frightened, terrified and separative
state of consciousness from which we live our lives.



Here's the point:


You can murder every Elite person you can find...

But......

For example....

You will still have racism ....unless you first take the belief
out of people's minds that one race is superior to another race.

( That scumbag who spat at the woman wasn't one of the Elite.
He was 'one of us')

You will still have greed and thus people, ABUSING, killing and
robbing each other because they will still BELIEVE there is not enough
for everybody.

You still have wars among countries.....because people will still
BELIEVE that their country or RELIGION is better than other
countries ...and thus should submit to them.

You will still have death and disease because people will still
BELIEVE that they are powerless and do not have the abilty
to heal themselves.

That's why Icke says the ONLY REAL CHANGE is when we
change ourselves.

When we start to identify ourselves with what we truely are....
Iinfinite Consciousness ....and not the fearful,frightened, terrified
and separatist self that the Elite's schools and psychologies WANT
US TO IDENTIFY WITH

As for killing the 'Elite' and repacing them with the 'ordinary man',
it has already been done.

The Russians got rid of one tryrant - and in his place, they
got Stalin and a whole new ruling 'Elite'.

.....Who gradually assumed all the powers privileges of the past
elite.

And did anything change.

Nothing.

The new rulers were worst than the last ones.

Also, when you have time. read the novel 'Animal farm'.

Same story. Same result.
Typical deflection drivel seanx just get out of the way please, the NWO scum are mass murderers, they have to be brought to book, for all they have done period. just stop procrastinating in your own little dream world.

[reptileslayer]

Awakening people frees them from the NWO. Individually its easier than freeing everyone at once. Like someone probably already said in this thread, if the Rothschilds are dealt with, there will just be others with a similar agenda. The whole pyramid wont crumble by taking away the top, its supported by the many smaller pyramids its built upon and supported by. Another top will already be there to replace it. The Rothschilds might not even be the headstone of the whole thing.

So saving people means awakening them in my oppinion. What would be most effective? Taking down a major company, or have it realise that it could do even better and for a longer time by actually becomming aware and learn better and more efficient ways of helping people? In the US, their car companies are realising the error of not focusing on fuel efficiency. Soon they might also learn of the error of not seeking out alternative fuel sources before the oil companies patents them.

Working together for a better future would strengthen most companies, but most dont realise it. They would rather keep competing and try to be the ones earning the most, even though they will most likely end up buying up most the competition or become bought up by the competition.

Wake people up to the dangers of banking, and to help them free themselves of useless addictions society tries to pull down over our heads. TV with meaningless drama, food products that should have strong warning labels on them and medicine that should not even be sold as health products or advertised as the best thing to do about some ailment.
More ineffective drivel, these scum are mass murders, they have to be brought to book for all they have done. what are you suggesting letting mass murderers go?

[seanx]

reptileslayer wrote:

Typical deflection drivel seanx just get out of the way please, the NWO scum are mass murderers, they have to be brought to book, for all they have done period. just stop procrastinating in your own little dream world.

Stop polluting this forum with your blood thirty ignorance.

Get your own life sorted out as you won't feel the need to kill
everybody.

And the greatest irony of all: Your mentality is exactly the
same type of mentality that runs through the blood of the Elite!

[reptileslayer]

reptileslayer wrote:



Stop polluting this forum with your blood thirty ignorance.

Get your own life sorted out as you won't feel the need to kill
everybody.

And the greatest irony of all: Your mentality is exactly the
same type of mentality that runs through the blood of the Elite!
I see you have got your ULTRA Duracells in today seanx :D

[beldazar]

I got to page 9 and could not read it all.

First to start with a metaphor.

"You Can Bring a Lit Candle Into A Dark Room, and Light It Up, Making the Darkness Run. You Can't Bring Darkness Into a Room and Expect The Light To Dash Away."

Now the solutions i read have fallen into two categories.

A.) Internal
B.) External

You are both right, and you are both wrong!

BALANCE You need balance!

First it is necessary to know your enemy, they know you very well. If you play a game of chess with somebody who has seen you play ten times, and you have seen them play none, its pretty obvious who is going to win isn't it?

So once you know your enemy what then? You must know Yourself, you must understand what they think they know, and use that knowledge to your advantage as well.

Some say meditate free your mind of thought patterns and negative energy, which i support. But i believe that is only one side of the answer. There is more, I wont go into concepts of critical mass, you are all on David Icke forums I'm pretty sure you know all of that. But lets say we reach critical mass, the way they put it is the world is going to poof and we are all going to be okay. I don't believe that is the case, i believe we must take action with critical mass, or without. ACTION and RESPONSIBILITY are key.

I now must quote fight club. "It is only when you have lost everything that you are free to do anything"

This is a necessary step if you truly want to change things. If you are not prepared to lose everything. Then you might as well go in house turn on Friends and leave this forum right now.

At this point i would recommend a book Called Crime Think : "Days of War Nights of Love" Its truly amazing and i believe everyone should read it.

So. External Solutions ( I believe it is necessary for all of these to be followed for an optimal chance of success. )

A.) Spread the Truth. If you believe that there are never going to be enough people to change things, then you are a living contradiction. Every single person on this planet has that gut feeling that something is wrong. Look at how many people were fighting for the truth today, and look at it twenty years ago. Alot of people have awakened. These numbers grow every day. Every single person i have ever talked to about this issues has only wanted to know more, and i speak to a number of different people every day.

B.) Understand the System, this kind of goes with knowing your enemy, but further, it is to understand the tools that they use to entrap you, it a spiritual and physical sense. Learn the laws, learn about your governments history, learn about your unalienable rights, learn why they are no longer supported by the laws you live by. There is currently a movement going on right now Called the Freeman society. These individuals have spent horrendous amounts of energy learning the system, and using it to support there right and their freedoms, If done successfully You won't be thrown into a FEMA camp, because you beat them at there own game. ( If you live in america, look up Sovereignty. Keep in mind this is a very uncharted path, and if you choose to take it be prepared to go to jail a few times, but vask in the fact that you will have them paying you retribution in court, and you will be raising the awareness of the police.)

C.) Buy Land, In america there is only one state where you can purchase an Alodial Title which means you own the land from the ground down. But it is possible to do this in other states by changing the land patent, I wont go into depth about this but if you want more information send me a private message, or do the research yourself. When the Fed calls back the Debt in America Every bit of land will go to them, which is my beleif when the FEMA camps will go into play. "You cant live on our land but you can live here." However if you own an alodial title, they will not take your land.

D.) Orginization, With the people who live around you who beleive in TBTB or even those who dont but understand they are being oppressed. Make it clear to them that things are going to get worse before they get better, orginize, conduct meetings Grow in numbers. The powers that be have used secret societies and stuff of that nature to manipulate us to such a point where we have no clue. Use it againsts them, at the least keep up untill other and better methods come to our creative minds.

E.) Stockpile Guns, bury them. Why i do beleive that life is sacred and that murder is the last answer i understand that if someone is willing to attempt to violite my right to the property of my body and my right to life, they have already abandonded there right, and i have every right to defend myself as neccisarily. There is another reason why i beleive we should stockpile guns but i will go into that later.

F.) Start a family, raise children, every child in this world that is raised with "enlightened" parents will not become slaves to the system, if things will not be resolved in our generation then it will be the next. If you have any friends with children, talk to them about our current situation, talk to them about what the education system does, what the news does, talk to them about the fluoride in our water. Every mind we free is a recruite, but children are freebies, they can be born with a free mind.

G.) Destroy your T.V. When you want to be entertained create something to do with people you care about, rather that watch T.V. and train your mind to be merely perceptive and nothing Else.

It is at this point i will bring you to the star wars metaphor. Creto Mutwa said that a number of Aliens he has seen were depicted in the star wars movie series. Maybe george lucas is in the know, maybe he wanted to offer us a lil help in the form of a metaphor. Or maybe its published as a fantasy so we will never look at such things as reality, but whatever the effect depends on you, not his intentions.

We are the Jedi, the ones who want peace and freedom. In The movies, They emporer was granted Supreme powers, Which is What FEMA does in a state of emergency. And the emperor never gave back his power, he instead went on a campaign for domination of the universe. (NWO) At this point it became clear to everyone who was behind it, and there reasons. Twenty years past, the Empire rules the majority of the galaxy, Look skywalker comes into play Meets Ben kenobi, and goes on adventures blah blah blah, he eventually meets the rebellion and brings down the death star, twice actually. After the movies, the empire is sent into recession and the first chance of peace and hope falls into the galaxy.

Maybe this is a metaphor for now, The NWO will happen and maybe thats what it will take for people to awaken and a true rebellion to surface.

Nostradamus, predicted a WW3 and then 75 years of peace. Maybe we are the ones that break that 75 years of peace. Of maybe we are the ones that secure it.

This reminds me a great man i once knew. I shall call him Zedd, He always told me when i was in a situation with a problem and couldn't seem to get out of it to "Focus on the Solution, Never the problem" Although at first i did not understand it, it still worked. If you can put energy into the problem it can only grow, but to put energy into the solution however small, it will grow.

When i read through these forums i sensed alot of conflict, well i perceived it as well, but also what i sensed was alot of anger. People on here have said to these individuals, your negative thinking only aids the problem, this is true to an extent, So try not to look at the situation in a negative way, But understand this. Righteous Anger is one of the most powerful emotions in the world.

Please don't place your power in someone else, if you beleive in jesus or god, don't pray to him for a miracle, empower yourself and bring the miracle to life.

Please don't give in the system, only play their games if your going to win.

And Please don't take it too seriously, Life is a dream or in the case a nightmare, and one day were going to wake up, simple as that. Alot of people take this idea and quit fighting, Not me, i fight for a better dream, even though one day i will awaken.


So in conclusion, I beleive it is a combination of spirituality and Physical Reality, the physical is the manifestation of the spiritual. Lets change this world.

If you don't agree with what i said, or find flaws, Rather than argue about it, lets put our minds together and create something better, create something more. I'm open to constructive criticismn.

Peace and Love to you All
Dekayed.


Great post, thankyou!

There is no way I could buy land though, unless I steal the money :(

[cruise4]

Nor should you have to. God didn't grant large estates to some and nothing to others, men did.

"That scumbag who spat at the woman wasn't one of the Elite. He was 'one of us'"

He was a product of the NWO's manipulation. And that goes for most of the other points you made in that post SeanX. Un-dam the river and the waters return to their natural level.

And this idea that you always replace bad with bad is ridiculous to me. I totally accept that there is countless examples of this happening, but that's because people are stupid and keep repeating the same old mistakes, and couldn't hit the right target if you shoved it 2 inches in front of their face.

But the possibility of getting the correct and honourable people guiding IS a real one.

However, having said that I DO expect the stupid to lead the stupid into repeating the old mistakes again. It seems there's no escaping their foolishness. I mean how many people are talking about their financial difficulties. The reality is they have NO financial difficulties. Their problems are having a lack of things they need, like Food, and an abundance of scum who wish to rob them and all this concentration on 'Finance' does, is ensure they stay dependant. Until they learn that they have learnt nothing.

[kblood]

More ineffective drivel, these scum are mass murders, they have to be brought to book for all they have done. what are you suggesting letting mass murderers go?

Would be impossible to prove Rothschilds to be mass murderers f.ex. since they probably never gave orders for people to be murdered. They dont have to, they just manipulate the world. To bring them down someone would have to find evidence against individuals that would hold up in court. Which is clearly where Rothschilds would very much at home.

There are quite a few presidents whom I think should be trialed for war crimes as well, but for some powerfull people, the system doesnt work as it should. Maybe for most people it doesnt.

But your plan is to just have them killed in some way? That would make us mass murderers, and even though they might be evil, I sure wouldnt kill any of them unless I really had to. What I was trying to say in the last post is that I believe the solution is depowering them. The world wont be change just because some Rothschilds or other powerfull people are gone. Its the masses of people that needs to change first, then the other change would follow.

That would crumble the bottom of their pyramid and it would begin falling apart. Your solution therefore seems the ineffictive one to me. You can keep taking out Rothschilds, presidents, CEOs and other people in power but that would never be a solution on its own. At most its like pissing your pants. Might feel warm and nice for a little while, and then it gets all itchy and sticky.

[orbandsceptre27]

Tell me EXACTLY what we can do?

Nothing

[seanx]

cruise4 wrote:

He was a product of the NWO's manipulation. And that goes for most of the other points you made in that post SeanX. Un-dam the river and the waters return to their natural level.

Exactly.

That's the point I was making.

Destroying the power the Elite have over us lies in UNDERSTANDING
how they have manipulated how we see ourselves and what
extraordinary powers we have.

That's why they see it as absolute ESSENTIAL to have
total power of all their man-made religions, sciences and
educational systems.

And all of these systems pump out one message: We are weak,
powerless beings who have little say over what happens to us.

The solution lies in DISCOVERING OUR OWN POWER.

Which are what ICKE'S BOOKS ARE ALL ABOUT.

Un-dam the river and the waters return to their natural level.[/

nO.

It is not as simple as thaT.

We are talking about centuries of programming....that has even
now seeped into our DNA and is now being passed on genertically
from generation to generation.

We must first see that we have been 'programmed' into seeing
oursleves as 'useless beings....totally powerless' and then
begin to see ourselves anew until this identify becomes part of
our DNA.

This will be a long ( probably over 3,000 years) and
complex but enjoyable process.....as more and more light
and joy flows into us as we 'remember' what we are truly are.


Anyway, there is no rush.

We have all eternity to play out this game.

And then, another one will start.


Quote:
Remember there is nothing to fear. Life is forever and everything is just an experience on the road to enlightenment. Viewed from the highest level of perception, there is no good and evil, only consciousness making choices to experience all there is to experience. The astonishing events which this book exposes are in the process of coming to an end as the light of freedom downs at last…….it is, despite some of the information you are about to read, a wonderful time to be alive Dave Icke.

[tonak]

Nor should you have to. God didn't grant large estates to some and nothing to others, men did.


Excellent point my friend, even if you don't beleive in god as conciousness. But I'll get back to this in a moment.

This comment is adressed to all the judgemental assholes on this thread who are not respecting each others rights to voice the opinion. Grow up. Quit feeding the fires of each other, respect each others freedom to have there own opinion. It kind of gives me a turning feeling in my stomache that a couple of you state your opinions that the change comes purely within. Well friend your not even heeding your own words.

Back to the land. In our current prediciment, which must be solved. Even if we all change ourselves they are still going to be in power. We must learn to grow. Thats what the awakening is about. Yes we must change ourselves as well as change our situation. Our only rights come from property. If they think they own all the land, they are going to have no problem treating us like slaves, we have no property we have no rights in there eyes.

It is to be understood that I am not suggesting buy land and dissapear and hope everyone else is alright, i am not suggesting that at all. You buy land and you create communities. You create your own economies, exchange services for other services, even go as far to create your own currency with true intrinsic value. Help each other. Even do so today.

Im rambling, i don't even know what my point was... Okay i have a good point to add to this forum. An Idea.

Kill Groupthink, quit looking outside of yourself for answers, trust yourself, think your own thoughts, and your own idea's. And when you get to the point of true independence teach others to do the same.

Yeah Rambling...
Love and Peace
Dekayed

[seanx]

tonak wrote:

This comment is adressed to all the judgemental assholes on this thread who are not respecting each others rights to voice the opinion. Grow up. Quit feeding the fires of each other, respect each others freedom to have there own opinion. It kind of gives me a turning feeling in my stomache that a couple of you state your opinions that the change comes purely within. Well friend your not even heeding your own words.

These type of people who always feel the need the say these
self-rightous things always beat me.

This IS a FORUM, mate. A place where people agree and DISAGREE.

If your stomach is too sensitive for any type of disagreement, stay
away and take up knitting.

Thats what the awakening is about. Yes we must change ourselves as well as change our situation.

They are the same thing.

A change of consciousness LEADS naturally to a change in action
which leads to a change in situation.

Descartes, one of the Elite's stooge was one of the first to create
this artificial division between body and mind.

And from that grew the ideas that there was no connection
between what happens 'within' - thoughts, beliefs and feelings
and what happens 'outside'.

So you have people on this forum always saying that a
change in consciousness is meaningless, it's pie-in-the-sky,
sitting around 'dreaming' stuff.

Nothing of the sort.

A change in consciousness always leads to a change in your action,
usually to more inspired action, because they are one and the
SAME THING.

Two sides of the same coin.

[reptileslayer]

Nothing
Responsibility dodger, explain to me in detail why there is nothing that we can do?

[beldazar]

[QUOTE=tonak;827455This comment is adressed to all the judgemental assholes on this thread who are not respecting each others rights to voice the opinion. Grow up. Quit feeding the fires of each other, respect each others freedom to have there own opinion.
Yeah Rambling...
Love and Peace
Dekayed[/QUOTE]

I really like that, I just need to remember it more often :o

[reptileslayer]

tonak wrote:



These type of people who always feel the need the say these
self-rightous things always beat me.

This IS a FORUM, mate. A place where people agree and DISAGREE.

If your stomach is too sensitive for any type of disagreement, stay
away and take up knitting.



They are the same thing.

A change of consciousness LEADS naturally to a change in action
which leads to a change in situation.

Descartes, one of the Elite's stooge was one of the first to create
this artificial division between body and mind.

And from that grew the ideas that there was no connection
between what happens 'within' - thoughts, beliefs and feelings
and what happens 'outside'.

So you have people on this forum always saying that a
change in consciousness is meaningless, it's pie-in-the-sky,
sitting around 'dreaming' stuff.

Nothing of the sort.

A change in consciousness always leads to a change in your action,
usually to more inspired action, because they are one and the
SAME THING.

Two sides of the same coin.
Hi seanx youre a fantastic advert for duracells are'nt you :D
Some of your metaphysical views may well be correct seanx, But i'm afraid that they are definately not applicable on this planet now. These practices are way beyond most of the people here.
And to be honest its ridiculous saying theres no rush, and i agree with you looking at the state of people here it will take about 3,000 years for them to get their heads straight.
There is a massive evil and presence on our planet, shafting abusing and murdering our people, and for the first time in at least 2,000 years some of us here have some coordinates on who is responsible for this crap, so our job right now with out any doubt, is to stop them and bring them to book.
Because you just saying 'theres no rush' you tell that to all the innocent people in places like Iraq, where they are murdering people everyday, it does'nt wash seanx.
lets get things in order here, deal with these scumbags first, and then we can learn all your metaphysics stuff, in schools and such, as we build a new better world to live in.

[beldazar]

Posted by Sean.......

David Icke Newsletter Preview

PLEASE DON'T RIOT ...





… IT'S JUST WHAT 'THEY' WANT


'What you fight, you become.' - David Icke


The David Icke Newsletter goes out on Sunday with a major 5,000-word background article to the economic crisis and how to avoid the traps that have been set for us.


The global economic collapse is designed to trigger a stream of 'benefits' to the Illuminati agenda. One, as I said in a recent newsletter, is to use this as an excuse to impose a global economic dictatorship controlled by a world central bank. But there are many other 'solutions' and connected 'benefits' that are planned to be exploited and we need to be streetwise to them.


The one I want to emphasise here is the need to stay calm and react peacefully to what is happening. This is not easy when there is so much stress and fear around with regard to the economic present and 'future', but we need to do it all the same or we will walk straight into a massive trap that has been set for us.

Let's get this straight: They want you to riot in response to the unfolding economic catastrophe and we are already seeing people falling for this.

Why would the authorities want people to riot? Readers of my books over the years will see the answer immediately. They want an excuse to bring in a fully-fledged Police State all over the world and people who riot in their desperation (instigated invariably by agent-provocateurs) are just the excuse they are looking for.

Be very, very aware of anyone who starts rioting, or encourages others to do so, amid peaceful demonstrations. Who are they and why are they doing this when it is handing all the aces to the system to impose a Police State? They are either stupid or agents of that State.

I have been stressing this point about the plan to stir up civil unrest and rioting whenever I can and now the insiders are beginning to put that thought into the public mind. 'There could be riots' is designed to communicate the theme subliminally of 'go out and riot'. It is the simple power of suggestion masquerading as 'concern'.






'The limitation of riots, moral questions aside, is that they cannot win and their participants know it. Hence, rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility.'

Martin Luther King

[reptileslayer]

Posted by Sean.......

David Icke Newsletter Preview

PLEASE DON'T RIOT ...





… IT'S JUST WHAT 'THEY' WANT


'What you fight, you become.' - David Icke


The David Icke Newsletter goes out on Sunday with a major 5,000-word background article to the economic crisis and how to avoid the traps that have been set for us.


The global economic collapse is designed to trigger a stream of 'benefits' to the Illuminati agenda. One, as I said in a recent newsletter, is to use this as an excuse to impose a global economic dictatorship controlled by a world central bank. But there are many other 'solutions' and connected 'benefits' that are planned to be exploited and we need to be streetwise to them.


The one I want to emphasise here is the need to stay calm and react peacefully to what is happening. This is not easy when there is so much stress and fear around with regard to the economic present and 'future', but we need to do it all the same or we will walk straight into a massive trap that has been set for us.

Let's get this straight: They want you to riot in response to the unfolding economic catastrophe and we are already seeing people falling for this.

Why would the authorities want people to riot? Readers of my books over the years will see the answer immediately. They want an excuse to bring in a fully-fledged Police State all over the world and people who riot in their desperation (instigated invariably by agent-provocateurs) are just the excuse they are looking for.

Be very, very aware of anyone who starts rioting, or encourages others to do so, amid peaceful demonstrations. Who are they and why are they doing this when it is handing all the aces to the system to impose a Police State? They are either stupid or agents of that State.

I have been stressing this point about the plan to stir up civil unrest and rioting whenever I can and now the insiders are beginning to put that thought into the public mind. 'There could be riots' is designed to communicate the theme subliminally of 'go out and riot'. It is the simple power of suggestion masquerading as 'concern'.






'The limitation of riots, moral questions aside, is that they cannot win and their participants know it. Hence, rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility.'

Martin Luther King
I am not advocating rioting or violence, I am talking about removal by citizens arrest. If we do NOTHING they will stay in place and it will get worse. Sometimes i get very suspicious of people like Icke and jones, both avoiding talking about any pro-active movement on these scumbags. I am going to take up these points with them both very soon.

[beldazar]

:confused:

I wasnt saying you were advocating violence, its for anyone interested but while on the subject, there are many people on the forum who think we should hold mass protests even.

that wont work either as there are planted antagonists during protests who provoke the crowd to riot just by lobbing something.

People join in because of what is known as 'mob psychology'

I, for one, dont want to give them ANY excuse to implement martial law!!!

[tonak]

tonak wrote:



These type of people who always feel the need the say these
self-rightous things always beat me.

This IS a FORUM, mate. A place where people agree and DISAGREE.

If your stomach is too sensitive for any type of disagreement, stay
away and take up knitting.



They are the same thing.

A change of consciousness LEADS naturally to a change in action
which leads to a change in situation.

Descartes, one of the Elite's stooge was one of the first to create
this artificial division between body and mind.

And from that grew the ideas that there was no connection
between what happens 'within' - thoughts, beliefs and feelings
and what happens 'outside'.

So you have people on this forum always saying that a
change in consciousness is meaningless, it's pie-in-the-sky,
sitting around 'dreaming' stuff.

Nothing of the sort.

A change in consciousness always leads to a change in your action,
usually to more inspired action, because they are one and the
SAME THING.

Two sides of the same coin.

Yes, it is a place where people agree and disagree, but theres no need for hostility, there is no need to hate on an individual for there beleifs, the idea is to understand more ideas and grow with them.

And yes, a change in consciousness leads to a change in action.
But a change in action, also leads to a change in conciousness.

[tonak]

:confused:

I wasnt saying you were advocating violence, its for anyone interested but while on the subject, there are many people on the forum who think we should hold mass protests even.

that wont work either as there are planted antagonists during protests who provoke the crowd to riot just by lobbing something.

People join in because of what is known as 'mob psychology'

I, for one, dont want to give them ANY excuse to implement martial law!!!


Protests and riots are great examples of group think, someone notices a problem, and rather than be a sheep in a cage they leave the cage and go be a sheep somewhere else with the thought to change things...

As far as not giving themselves any excuses i would offer the advice to not look at your actions in there eyes, be true to yourself above all else, if you want to do something they wont like, then do it, its what they want is for you to be afraid. We have given the concept of martial law so much power by all the fear we generate because of it, thats why the idea has gone around forever and not been used yet. Yeah sure it may be used at some point, but not untill the empower it as much as they can.

[orbandsceptre27]

Responsibility dodger, explain to me in detail why there is nothing that we can do?

No :p

[steevo]

Tell me EXACTLY what we can do

Print out this leaflet (http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7320/chemtrails3.jpg) or this one (http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8611/chemtrails4.jpg) and distribute it.

[reptileslayer]

Hi seanx youre a fantastic advert for duracells are'nt you :D
Some of your metaphysical views may well be correct seanx, But i'm afraid that they are definately not applicable on this planet now. These practices are way beyond most of the people here.
And to be honest its ridiculous saying theres no rush, and i agree with you looking at the state of people here it will take about 3,000 years for them to get their heads straight.
There is a massive evil and presence on our planet, shafting abusing and murdering our people, and for the first time in at least 2,000 years some of us here have some coordinates on who is responsible for this crap, so our job right now with out any doubt, is to stop them and bring them to book.
Because you just saying 'theres no rush' you tell that to all the innocent people in places like Iraq, where they are murdering people everyday, it does'nt wash seanx.
lets get things in order here, deal with these scumbags first, and then we can learn all your metaphysics stuff, in schools and such, as we build a new better world to live in.
Silence since i posted this, everybody knows that this is what we ALL HAVE TO DO and when its spelled out in black and white, nearly everyone goes quiet. This is why the illuminati have got as far as they have up to this time, because there is the majority of people who dont know or understand whats going on, and then us lot who do know what is going on, but through most of you being capitulating cowards, you avoid sorting them out.

[tonak]

Perfect example of how a change in action can lead to a change in conciousness

[marpat]

OK well we can't even get people off this site to do those things, so it's not very realistic that we are going to get billions to do it around the world. Also do you agree that there is a very big chance that absolutley fuck all will happen if people did this ??

I have read the books and watched the docs, but fucking hell I ain't seen absolutley no evidence to make me think if the population of the world started to visualise the earth surrounded by dark clouds which are then broken up by rays of light and love, will somehow sort out the worlds problems and get rid of the evil fucks that run things.

It's a great concept and I happen to believe in some of it, but I think some of you people have been watching far to many films or reading to many sci fi books or something.


To me some of you people are nothing short of repeaters, you read something or watch a doc and then just repeat what that book says without actually experiencing anything about it yourselves. Thats the impression I get.




The act of concentration of thought is very real. Visualisation is one method. Even the Buddha said 'with our thoughts we create the world'.

If 500 people in power used negative thought to dominate people then 20,000 people countering that will obviously be effective.

Please note that at no point did I say that trying to break up a cloud of psychic darkness would sort out the worlds problems. Such an act would only be a starting point. There will never be any once-and-for-all solution.

The power of group visualisation is everywhere, it is just directed into material channels. If those people changed their point of focus then their energy would flow into new channels, energy follows thought.

[seanx]

Marpat wrote:
The act of concentration of thought is very real. Visualisation is one method. Even the Buddha said 'with our thoughts we create the world'.

If 500 people in power used negative thought to dominate people then 20,000 people countering that will obviously be effective.

Please note that at no point did I say that trying to break up a cloud of psychic darkness would sort out the worlds problems. Such an act would only be a starting point. There will never be any once-and-for-all solution.

The power of group visualisation is everywhere, it is just directed into material channels. If those people changed their point of focus then their energy would flow into new channels, energy follows thought.
__________________

Here, Mr Marpat, I agree 100 % with you.

The Elite are using this very same power on us. By controlling
the media and stirring up fear they get us all to direct huge
amounts of fearful negative energy into thoughtforms they want
energized.

[nirvana]

Awakening festivals every month for a start. Then organised marches etc .


Peace:)

[kblood]

Hi seanx youre a fantastic advert for duracells are'nt you :D
Some of your metaphysical views may well be correct seanx, But i'm afraid that they are definately not applicable on this planet now. These practices are way beyond most of the people here.
And to be honest its ridiculous saying theres no rush, and i agree with you looking at the state of people here it will take about 3,000 years for them to get their heads straight.
There is a massive evil and presence on our planet, shafting abusing and murdering our people, and for the first time in at least 2,000 years some of us here have some coordinates on who is responsible for this crap, so our job right now with out any doubt, is to stop them and bring them to book.
Because you just saying 'theres no rush' you tell that to all the innocent people in places like Iraq, where they are murdering people everyday, it does'nt wash seanx.
lets get things in order here, deal with these scumbags first, and then we can learn all your metaphysics stuff, in schools and such, as we build a new better world to live in.

I would say learn the metaphysical stuff first and build a better world, then the scumbags might find problems getting business partners once the cat is out of the bag.

http://www.bilderberg.org/

This site has already caused problems in the political world, because after some countries actually found out about this stuff, then they wouldnt deal with certain people. Due to the stuff they read on that site.

[white knight]

Things will work out in the end...

There really is nothing that you have to do, when the time comes (and you'll know when that is) you will take action.

Just enjoy your existence here, be a good person and realise that evil will eventually consume itself. ;)

[reptileslayer]

Things will work out in the end...

There really is nothing that you have to do, when the time comes (and you'll know when that is) you will take action.

Just enjoy your existence here, be a good person and realise that evil will eventually consume itself. ;)
Another method of ducking and diving, what about all the other innocent people that the illuminati scum are abusing and murdering everyday, how can they enjoy their existence here?

[kblood]

Another method of ducking and diving, what about all the other innocent people that the illuminati scum are abusing and murdering everyday, how can they enjoy their existence here?

They probably will in their next life time. Take away all of the illuminati and those things will still happen. If you fight them as directly as you seem to suggest, you will be in danger of becomming what you hate.

[reptileslayer]

They probably will in their next life time. Take away all of the illuminati and those things will still happen. If you fight them as directly as you seem to suggest, you will be in danger of becomming what you hate.
What garbage, another excuse disgraceful, and how dare you assume and accuse me of that when you don't know me at all! F****** unbelievable there are some people who are better gatekeepers for them,
than their own stooges.

[starstuff]

What garbage, another excuse disgraceful, and how dare you assume and accuse me of that when you don't know me at all! F****** unbelievable there are some people who are better gatekeepers for them,
than their own stooges.

All I see in every post you make is hate hate hate hate hate hate - arrrgh your negativity is doing my head in! I hope that it really is righteous anger as you believe it to be, and not the hate it seems to be.

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What garbage, another excuse disgraceful, and how dare you assume and accuse me of that when you don't know me at all! F****** unbelievable there are some people who are better gatekeepers for them,
than their own stooges.

I believe in fighting for what is good in this world. Not adding to the negative and the hate. I probably would kill an evildoer if I had the choice and knew it was actually going to save lives, otherwise I believe in people being allowed to make their own choices.

Let people know what is going on, so they know better what to protect themselves against. However protesting against the elite, the illuminati and other people controlling the world and thinking about their own benefit no matter the cost to others. Trying to fight them directly will give them something they want, a rebellion and a reason and excuse to impose martial law and deploy the military against their own countries.

Seems to me that your hate is blinding you. So I accuse you and dont know you? Well true, I dont know you, but your posts all seem hatefull and spitefull. What caused this to become so bad? I know it might seem like a cliché or just stupid, but I believe love is the most powerfull weapon against them. They are part of this reality and we are creating this reality. Move the minds of the world and it can become a better place. Their supporters is what is making it all possible for them. There is no fast way to do it, you cant just cut off the head and expect it to be over.