Some deep thought of mine.

[barbitone]

Hi guys. This is just basically the stuff I kick around in my head and have been writing a bit down lately.....um....this stuff may not make any sense to you if you've never spent good time on philosophical\metaphoric thinking. My prime foundations of thought stem from philosophical\spiritual\metaphysical\scientific.

This is a bit of all those. I am just brainstorming here. The subject at hand is the biggest there is. The One and the nature of duality consciousness, because this is the root of everything. Anyway, I thought I'd just throw some of my ideas on the table for you to ponder.

Ok, so I've got:


seven colors - red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet

seven notes in an octave - A B C D E F G

seven is a highly significant number as you know. , are the peak resonate area's. At least in association with our perception
of course which goes all the way to the DNA.

The DNA is the receiver\transmitter of reality. The brain decodes it into electrical signals that communicate with the body.
The mind is an energy field. Like a matrix of parameters,programmings and settings.

All these things, by the way, are of course the same thing in truth.


.....the colours and their wavelengths correspond to the 7 chakras in the human body. And as far as I know there are 7 body densities,
but I'll need to do more research on that.


White light contains the entire visible spectrum of color. White light is a high vibration, color can only be seen when it
is slowed down. We percieve 7 critical mass points. The light is still whole, it is just being percieved in a relative
context.

The One contains all. It is of the highest vibration. So fast it just is. But when that vibration drops (or you percieve it to),
an illusion of seperation takes place. The One is still the one be definition, but the peak and troughs of the vibration
become more and more apparent.(Duality)

The One = White Light (darkness is just what we call the lack of light-it is not an energy unto itself, same with fear-the lack of love)
Vibrational drop = the choice )from the level of the One it has to be a choice made intentionally. It's like the One crosses it's eyes
in order to look back at itself subjectively.)

The one, like the light is still whole, it is only our relative perspective that gives the illusion of seperatness.

It helps if you are well read in all levels - science\metaphysics\philosophical(metaphoric) and especially spiritual. Since all things are one thing there must be bridges of thought that can reach and connect to all.

I think metaphorically about everything these days, like a mental habit that I have purposfully developed. I find that your thinking technique, if you like, is THE most important thing. Everything else is trivial compared.

Ok, this could be a rant but at least it's constructive.:D

[Anders Lindman]

Formless consciousness experiences itself in form. The start of form is the split, the duality, as in left side and right side of the brain and body. Then we have up and down, and front and back, and this creates the three dimensions of space; 2 (left, right) + 2 (up, down) + 2 (front, back) = 6.

So 6 is the number of form. :confused::eek::D

But then we have forgotten the observer, consciousness itself, so reality has a fundamental property of 6 + 1 = 7. :D:D:D

[i am all i am]

G'day Barbitone.

There are 7 movements, up and down, left and right, forwards and backwards, and circular.

7 is also the number in numerology that represents the temple, the physical body. It is the highest number on the Physical Plane, as the 7 Mouths of God are the highest point in the body, the head. These are the ears, the eyes, the nostrils and the mouth, the cavities of the skull. 7 relates to physical experiences.

There are 7 circles in the first progression of the Flower Of Life, six circles surrounding the centre circle. Three circles to the left and three circles to the right, representing the mind, body, soul of the male and female, among other things. So, 1 becomes 3 through duality, the 2 (1 + 2 = 3), givng two aspects which are both in three parts. Or said another way, 1, the centre circle, creates (6 is the creative number) 7, the physical, through the 2, the male and female, duality, represented through the mind, body, soul, the 3.



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[Anders Lindman]

There are 7 movements, up and down, left and right, forwards and backwards, and circular.


That is correct. The three dimensions of space times two, but also circular motion, or, to be more correct, a spiral movement called time. So we have 6 + 1 (time) + 1 (consciousness) = 8. Turn around the 8 and we get the symbol for infinity, and so, as David Icke has said, infinite consciousness is the ground, the foundation. :D:D

[barbitone]

Nice one guys!:D Some good ideas I hadn't thought of. There's definetly some sense in this..... 7 days in a week is no coincidence either....

[i am all i am]

That is correct. The three dimensions of space times two, but also circular motion, or, to be more correct, a spiral movement called time. So we have 6 + 1 (time) + 1 (consciousness) = 8. Turn around the 8 and we get the symbol for infinity, and so, as David Icke has said, infinite consciousness is the ground, the foundation. :D:D

G'day Anders Lindman.

Yep, and the 8 is representative of Wisdom, knowledge in action, the double-square. The square having four sides and the 4 representing practicality, the centre of the Physical Plane as well.



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[barbitone]

And I do believe if there is anything in the Bible that has foundations in truth it is the 7 days of creation and the prodigal son and trinity parts. I believe that they are trying to say what we're saying here. But it has been twisted and hijacked.

[klinker]

G'day Barbitone.

There are 7 movements, up and down, left and right, forwards and backwards, and circular.

7 is also the number in numerology that represents the temple, the physical body. It is the highest number on the Physical Plane, as the 7 Mouths of God are the highest point in the body, the head. These are the ears, the eyes, the nostrils and the mouth, the cavities of the skull. 7 relates to physical experiences.

There are 7 circles in the first progression of the Flower Of Life, six circles surrounding the centre circle. Three circles to the left and three circles to the right, representing the mind, body, soul of the male and female, among other things. So, 1 becomes 3 through duality, the 2 (1 + 2 = 3), givng two aspects which are both in three parts. Or said another way, 1, the centre circle, creates (6 is the creative number) 7, the physical, through the 2, the male and female, duality, represented through the mind, body, soul, the 3.



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Now this is a subject I need to start getting my head around. It might fulfill this nagging desire I've had all my life to continually be on the search. I am the seeker. :)

[i am all i am]

Nice one guys!:D Some good ideas I hadn't thought of. There's definetly some sense in this..... 7 days in a week is no coincidence either....

G'day Barbitone.

Here's another thought for you...

...SPIRIT...................WATER................. ....EARTH............FIRE..................AIR

...CIRCLE...........EQUI-DISTANT CROSS.....SQUARE..........SPIRAL.......FIVE-POINTED STAR

ICOSAHEDRON.....TETRAHEDRON................CUBE... .DODECAHEDRON...OCTAHEDRON

...20 SIDES..............4 SIDES.......................6 SIDES.........12 SIDES............8 SIDES


In numerology the 5 represents LOVE and the 0 represents the CREATOR.

Add the sides of the Platonic solids up; 20 + 4 + 6 + 12 + 8 = 50.

5 and 0 = LOVE the CREATOR.

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[klinker]

Who is the creator?

[i am all i am]

Now this is a subject I need to start getting my head around. It might fulfill this nagging desire I've had all my life to continually be on the search. I am the seeker. :)

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G'day Jeffangel.

Here's a great book to read and introduce you to numerology.



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[barbitone]

I'm having trouble working out why you've used these specifics.

I thought spirit was a word for essence, like essence OF something, not an actual element. I thought it encompassed them all.

I understand the circle,equal cross,square and spiral but the five pointed star I don't.....I know it's significant but I don't know how it lines up in relation to these others.

I'm not good with the hedrons...can't visualise them very well, or how they relate. I know they do but I can't grasp it. Like....why not ten sided or 14v sided or whatever?

And I don't know squat about numerology, but does five = Love? why not 1?

[klinker]

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G'day Jeffangel.

Here's a great book to read and introduce you to numerology.



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I have this book brother. Bought it on your advice a few moons ago. :) Will get to it soon. Promise.

[i am all i am]

I'm having trouble working out why you've used these specifics.

I thought spirit was a word for essence, like essence OF something, not an actual element. I thought it encompassed them all.

I understand the circle,equal cross,square and spiral but the five pointed star I don't.....I know it's significant but I don't know how it lines up in relation to these others.

I'm not good with the hedrons...can't visualise them very well, or how they relate. I know they do but I can't grasp it. Like....why not ten sided or 14v sided or whatever?

And I don't know squat about numerology, but does five = Love? why not 1?

G'day Barbitone.

Spirit is the essence that the four elements came from, it does encompasses them all within it.

The five-pointed star, like the other shapes, is represented within nature. When you cut an apple cross-ways you'll see a five-pointed star. Another obvious example is the star fish.

This can help you visualise the Platonic solids...


ICOSAHEDRON
http://www.blazelabs.com/pics/platoicosa-s.gif http://www.3quarks.com/GIF-Animations/PlatonicSolids/Icosahedron.gif


DODECAHEDRON
http://www.blazelabs.com/pics/platododec-s.gif http://www.3quarks.com/GIF-Animations/PlatonicSolids/Dodecahedron.gif


OCTAHEDRON
http://www.blazelabs.com/pics/platoocta-s.gif http://www.3quarks.com/GIF-Animations/PlatonicSolids/Octahedron.gif


CUBE
http://www.blazelabs.com/pics/platohexa-s.gif http://www.3quarks.com/GIF-Animations/PlatonicSolids/Hexahedron.gif


TETRAHEDRON
http://www.blazelabs.com/pics/platotetra-s.gif http://www.3quarks.com/GIF-Animations/PlatonicSolids/Tetrahedron.gif


What's so special about these geometric shapes? Here are the main rules for these geometric solids:

Each formation will have the same shape on every side.
Every line on each of the formations will be exactly the same length.
Every internal angle on each of the formations will also be the same.
Each shape will fit perfectly inside a sphere, all the points touching the edges of the sphere.

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-solids.asp


5 is the number that is in the centre of the birth chart, like this.....

...3...6...9
...2...5...8
...1...4...7

...it is the number that touches all other numbers, as love is within/touches everything. It is also the addition of the first female number, 2, and the first male number, 3. That's a simplified reasoning to it for you.



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[oneofmany]

seven notes in an octave - A B C D E F GYou forgot the last A which is a higher pitch but the same tone and that octave means 8 not 7, and also the basic scale starts with C, so it's C D E F G A B C, but good stuff. Keep the free thinking going

[barbitone]

:eek:
Holy crap dude.Respect......
:D

What about how we have ten fingers....which is our number system + you can do the times tables with your digits, 5 an 5 on each side of the 2 with which you use to make the 3rd? and of course 10 is also zero and one - the binary system of which all computer code is made of - on and offs. That which IS and that which IS NOT.

[i am all i am]

:eek:
Holy crap dude.Respect......
:D

What about how we have ten fingers....which is our number system + you can do the times tables with your digits, 5 an 5 on each side of the 2 with which you use to make the 3rd? and of course 10 is also zero and one - the binary system of which all computer code is made of - on and offs. That which IS and that which IS NOT.

G'day Barbitone.

Thanks mate. I've already thought about this one.

If you think of the two thumbs as the alpha and the omega, the begining and end, represented by 01 to 10. The other eight digits are represented by the other eight numbers. So we get...

01 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 = 55

Two 5's, or two hands with five digits each hand.

Adding the first hand of five digits gets you 15, 1 hand of 5 digits.

55 is also the tenth number in the fibanacci sequence, which is...

1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55.

1 is representative of the individual, and of course the 0 the CREATOR, the ALL. So 01 and 10 represents the microcosm and macrocosm, or the ALL in ONE (01) and the ONE in ALL (10).



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[barbitone]

Another one I thought of just now is - When you look at how an illusionary object is projected through the use of holographic technology, it is a perfect metaphor for what we are experiencing. The light (the one) is split into 2. (God made man in his image....blahblahbla..) they connect with the holographic plate, which is the set parameters (the mind) err...I'm getin high on herb....
um...herb dont work for this stuff.:D

Basically you've got the zero and the one : The Pure beam - the split beam. The plate is informational parameter : The minds subjective perception. (not what is actually there...folks:D)

Hope that makes sense......

[barbitone]

*barbitone stands in awe*

.................yep.

I cant tell you how much I want to be able to just talk with out typing this. I can't type fast enough!

We really are perfect aren't we:)....... Absolute sacred geometric form. Our bodies are in perfect, sacred proportions too. Way too stoned to type about it tho unfortunetly.....:D

[lookfar]

I'm enjoying this thread... cool stuff guys :D

[i am all i am]

I'm enjoying this thread... cool stuff guys :D

G'day Lookfar.

Are we keeping you occupied at work eh ???



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[lookfar]

G'day Lookfar.

Are we keeping you occupied at work eh ???

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G'day honey

Hehe, you're keeping me occupied alright, but I've got a day off today, (as I was meant to be at the forum camp:() but WOOHOO it's the weekend already!!:D

Now you get back to work & keep filling this thread up with good stuff, LOL!!;)

[james777]

Ok guys, I'm reading through all of this and I must say it's fascinating stuff. I'm not studied up on much of it so I have one basic question about it.

What is the point of figuring all of this numerology out and how can it impact our lives and how do we know that it's not just an interpretation of someone else's idea?

Ok 3 questions.......but still.......

[barbitone]

I've always asked myself things like, where does the information of life come form exactly......school doesn't tell you, it's just nature they say. I haven't heard anyone explain that without going into gods and that obviously. It's also obvious that the false god (ego\satan\that which is not\darkness) is dominant in our focal point of space\time. Now. The ego has tricked us into giving it power over us (illuminati\reptilians). The reptilians are the manefestations of our ego self, constructs or programmes of the matrix. They are not an actual power like we are. They feed on and live in fear based thought patterns. Reactionary. Like a robot with a program to run. Where as love based thought patterns are that which are, the light the one\s. Connected like an internet with an infinite spectrum of reality.

Why do we love to listen to beautiful music?
Why do we enjoy art?
Why do we enjoy nature?

The answers I think lie in this information. WE ARE IT. We are recognising ourselves. We are made of the same sacred forms and creations. Energy constructs of sacred construction. Art and music connect us back to source.
It is instinctive.

It's not that all these things we talk about are "connected" and "wow, isn't that a coincidence" eventually everything coincides with everything else because its ONE THING! It's just a matter of where your focus is. That determines your "soul". Seemingly seperate consciousness when it is actually a focal point of one projecting many focuses - in fact infinite would make sense.

That's another thing. Paradox's make perfect sense on this level of conversation. Everything and nothing. Everywhere and nowhere. That's actually where you are! YOU ARE.

Peoples drama addictions and ego conflicts and fears don't particularly like hearing this stuff. Because it's not satisfying. To just say god IS.
We are used to focusing on the difference between to points.......

[2013]

7 octaves become 8 when the higher number is addedthe distance between palnets corrosponds to an octave , the music of the spheres , the egyptians had an 8 day week .Buddah contemplated his navel , the original cell that devided into 2 then 4 then 8 etc creating the body .Every seven years al lthe cells in our bodies have died and been replaced except the original 8 that reside just about the are of the solar plexus , buddah contemplating his navel the 8 of infinity the 8 fold path .We have 20 digits n the form of fingers and toes and 13 major joints in the human body that relates to the mayan calendar , the human holon 13 joints for movement in time , 20 digits to measure space ,20 solar tribes to define evolution 13 tones for creating life , 13 moons to each year , 20 standard amino acids to the DNA microcosm.This gives us 2013 the next cycle beyond 2012 :D

Smile :) like you mean it

[barbitone]

7 octaves become 8 when the higher number is addedthe distance between palnets corrosponds to an octave , the music of the spheres , the egyptians had an 8 day week .Buddah contemplated his navel , the original cell that devided into 2 then 4 then 8 etc creating the body .Every seven years al lthe cells in our bodies have died and been replaced except the original 8 that reside just about the are of the solar plexus , buddah contemplating his navel the 8 of infinity the 8 fold path .We have 20 digits n the form of fingers and toes and 13 major joints in the human body that relates to the mayan calendar , the human holon 13 joints for movement in time , 20 digits to measure space ,20 solar tribes to define evolution 13 tones for creating life , 13 moons to each year , 20 standard amino acids to the DNA microcosm.This gives us 2013 the next cycle beyond 2012 :D

Smile :) like you mean it

Nice one matey! Some more good points to keep in mind.

[intruder]

Colorful, flexible seven-fold model of the evolving universe.

The torus, or donut shape, is the latest physicists' conception of the shape of the universe.

This same mathematical form occurs everywhere in the natural world, from electromagnetic fields to galaxies, from atoms to apples.

The seven-fold principle, which can be found throughout the world of science, art, myth and music, is built into the HYPERSPHERE.


What is a HYPERSPHERE?
In mathematics, a HYPERSPHERE is a sphere having more than three dimensions. Since the early twentieth century, physicists have used this idea of a higher-dimensional sphere to describe a universe in which time is the fourth dimension.*

Why is the HYPERSPHERE shaped like a donut?
Today, cosmologists say that the universe of relativity and quantum physics can best be understood when seen as a torus, or donut shape. A universe containing black holes, white holes and "wormholes" conforms best to this model. And a torus has the same formula (2pi2r3) as the HYPERSPHERE.
As a model of the universe, the HYPERSPHERE shows how things emerge in time and are enfolded back into fabric of the universe. You can experience this by rotating your HYPERSPHERE through its center.
The HYPERSPHERE also shows how all things in the universe are interconnected, even when they appear to be separate from one another. If you isolate point a from point b in this diagram with cut c, the two points can still be connected--without crossing the cut--by going through the center:




Where does the HYPERSPHERE occur in nature?
Almost everywhere! The vortex, which is a section of the torus, occurs throughout the natural world-from tornados, whirlpools and electromagnetic fields to the formation of galaxies. And the torus shape is not limited to vortices. An apple, a tree, even a human being all share this same "toroidal" topology.




Why does the HYPERSPHERE have seven colors?
This is perhaps the most interesting part of the story. For hundreds of years, mathematicians have known that it is impossible to construct a map on a plane surface or a sphere that requires more than four colors to distinguish all adjacent areas:





On a torus, it's possible to create a map that requires seven colors, and this is what we have done. If you look closely at the HYPERSPHERE, you will see that every color is touching every other color.




Why is the seven-ness of the HYPERSPHERE significant?
Since the HYPERSPHERE is a model of the universe, we can say that seven-ness is a basic feature of the natural world. We know this innately. This is why the seven note musical scale is naturally harmonious; why we have seven days in our week; why there are seven colors in the rainbow.
Our myths and legends are full of stories where seven is the most important number, representing the completion of a mystical journey or mythical task. And this is no accident.
The seven stage process is a feature of the universe itself. This has been shown by writers since time immemorial, but perhaps by none more elegantly than philosopher Arthur M. Young in The Reflexive Universe. In this simple model, which he calls the "Arc," he draws a seven-fold picture of universal evolution, the descent of spirit (light) into matter and the ascent back to our spiritual potential:

[intruder]

You forgot the last A which is a higher pitch but the same tone and that octave means 8 not 7, and also the basic scale starts with C, so it's C D E F G A B C, but good stuff. Keep the free thinking going

Sorry dude...you're wrong. He didn't forget anything. The missing "A" is the start of a NEW octave (an octave is a doubling of frequency). Plus, you're only thinking diatonically and not chromatically.

Diatonic scale - C D E F G A B
Chromatic scale - C - c#/dB-D- d#/eb- E - F - f#/gb- G - g#/ab- A - a#/b(flat) - B.

Which yields a 12 tone chromatic scale.

The mystical 12 AGAIN!!!!

and this is all related to sphere packing symmetries. Music is sacred geometry in aural form.

[intruder]

Meaning that what is commonly called "western harmony" is NOT arbitrary. It flows out of, dare I say it? UNIVERSAL LAWS!!!!! holy crap!! that felt GOOD!!!
The overtones produced by ANY fundamental frequency gives rise to the harmonic series. A series of "partials" that diminsh in amplitude as you move up the series.Anyone remember "Close Encounters Of The Third Kind"....the initial melody played to and echoed by the aliens were specific harmonics extracted from a fundamental pitch.

What disturbs me about "punk" rock..."angry" rock (ala Nine Inch Nails etc) is that these bastards PLAY IN TUNE!!!!! In fact..the alleged "rebellious" nature of ROCK MUSIC is PURE CRAP!!!!! ALL of them.....and I MEAN ALL OF THEM..PLAY IN TUNE!!!!! They delibarately conformed to a spirit beyond their ken, all the while claiming to be rebels. AWWW christ!!! I'VE BEEN HAD!!!

"meet the NEW BOSS....SAME AS THE OLD BOSS!!!" We won't get fooled again MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From the original "punks" like the Rolling Stones and The Who, to the "modern rebels"....it's all SUCH BULLSHIT!!!!!
Digital Tuners.....Symmetry.....Tour Mangers.....Contracts....DEADLINES......CONFORMITY ...CONFORMITY...CONFORMITY...CONFORMITY.....CONFOR MITY....CONFORMITY....CONFORMITY.....CONFORMITY... .

"GET 'EM UP AGAINST THE WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Forgive me for that rant!!

[intruder]

and even if a band (I've experimented with this myself) would tune their instruments with no regard to symmetry...the perceived dissonance is still based on our inherent sense of harmony being dictated by the harmonic series produced from striking ANY fundamental pitch...so the fundamentalist wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and you ROCK N' ROLL rebels? you're ALL WASHED UP!!!!!

[dondaz]

Great thread barbitone. Really interesting. That white light you keep mentioning brings to mind an experience I once had that showed me there is more power in ourselves than in this 3d world.

It was an out of body experience as I was meditating many years ago. It was like I was being pulled from my body, but pulling myself out, which wasn't my intention when I started meditating. As this was happening my inner core, as it were, turned to pure white light, very bright but not blinding. I wasn't seeing with my eyes, that's for sure. It was bloody amazing.

A few seconds of this and I pulled myself back in. Don't ask me how or why, I haven't a clue, but I have never meditated since and know that I can do this again.

It wasn't a scarey experience, but it is still there with me.

Sorry, bit off topic, but you bringing up white light compelled me to talk about it.

Great thread barbitone

[zoloko]

I LOVE YOU!

We also have seven openings in our body!

THANK YOU!

[intruder]

Just seven openings? 2 eyes (input), 2 ears (input), 2 nostrils (input/output),
1 mouth (input/output) genitalia (input/output for the women!!!) anus (input/output for the man or woman!!)

I count 9 my friend!! which would make sense!! 9 being the number of self-reference. Multiply ANY number by 9, add the product, to produce 9 again. (9x9=81, 8+1=9)Also the 9th letter of the alphabet is "I".

[zoloko]

Just seven openings? 2 eyes (input), 2 ears (input), 2 nostrils (input/output),
1 mouth (input/output) genitalia (input/output for the women!!!) anus (input/output for the man or woman!!)

I count 9 my friend!! which would make sense!! 9 being the number of self-reference. Multiply ANY number by 9, add the product, to produce 9 again. (9x9=81, 8+1=9)Also the 9th letter of the alphabet is "I".

I LOVE YOU!

Ups! my mistake!!!

THANK YOU!

[intruder]

zoloko!! I LOVE YOU

7 openings in our head which IS interesting and it relates to the "hypersphere" .