Mansons proof of enlightenment

[universal_]

If this video doesn't show it I don't know what does..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk54b_DSOi8&feature=related



.....

[universal_]

watch it!!!!!!!!!

[universal_]

'Theres nothing to prove every man judges himself...they can play like they stand in judgment and play you off like they control the masses with your human body.....they can persecute you and put you in cages or crosses like they did in the past, but they are only persecuting a reflection of themselves they are only persecuting what they can't stand to look at in themselves....'

WOW!!:eek: If anyone watched KYMATICA the sequel to Esoteric Agenda thats exactly the message they gave....amazing!

[universal_]

I officially cried at the end 'how many times do I have to pay for your sins'


I have seen the face of a God in what they call a monster....:(

[eternal_spirit]

Are you like one of those people who'd marry a killer on death row?

[universal_]

Are you like one of those people who'd marry a killer on death row?



Thats a ridiculous question, have you seen that video it was breathtaking IMO.

I happen to think outside the box and what he spoke was 100% truth.

[eternal_spirit]

Thats a ridiculous question, have you seen that video it was breathtaking IMO.

I happen to think outside the box and what he spoke was 100% truth.
If it's the Rivera prison interviews yes, but I've also thouroughly researched Manson and his family.
See my reply here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=819317&postcount=24

[knightbk]

Yes a real hero.:confused:

[universal_]

If it's the River prison interviews yes, but I've also thouroughly researched Manson and his family.
See my reply here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=819317&postcount=24



Oh I see well I kind of agree, but I agree way more with his views in that video..

[knightbk]

Oh I see well I kind of agree, but I agree way more with his views in that video..

Its nothing but psycho babble.

Of course a criminal is the "worst of ourselves". So what? duh.

[universal_]

Yes a real hero.:confused:


I think there is the good an bad in everyone, his good side seems to outshine most people even if they never committed a crime...anyways a crime according to who? the system? the same people who call a 100 000 deaths a war.....we are the judges of our selves,,,and Ill say it again I agree strongly with what he said especially when he said that they just persecute a reflexion of themselves....it's all a business...who are they to say whats right or wrong?..if you want to eliminate the problem that is NOT the way to go..........he is ahead by a century...the courts, the system is all so very primitive as are the majority of peoples minds...

[eternal_spirit]

Oh I see well I kind of agree, but I agree way more with his views in that video..

I used to
think he was cool and innocent, he apparantly never actually murdered Sharon tate etc. But sure I've read other articles where he may have murdered way before he set up the family and was involved with satanic like groups.

Living out on a ranch a bunch of hippies has it's appeal. :)

[angel wings]

Universal thanks for posting, I've never heard this before and you are right it is very powerful. To me it makes the whole situation now much more confusing. I will need to look into his story more deeply.as it seems odd for someone to speak such truth but still commit such crimes.

My knowledge of Mason is limited so I will reserve judgment for now.

[universal_]

Its nothing but psycho babble.

Of course a criminal is the "worst of ourselves". So what? duh.


Watch Kymatica then maybe you wont think its psycho babble when the same words spoken by a professional sounding voice are packaged nicely over 2 decades later in a documentary!!...that was so ignorant!...


http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=KYMATICA&hl=en&emb=0&aq=-1&oq=#

[universal_]

Universal thanks for posting, I've never heard this before and you are right it is very powerful. To me it makes the whole situation now much more confusing. I will need to look into his story more deeply.as it seems odd for someone to speak such truth but still commit such crimes.

My knowledge of Mason is limited so I will reserve judgment for now.


You're welcome!:)

[helloperator]

"Everything they've done they've done for love of brother"


So...when they killed those people...it was for love? Was it like a cruel to be kind sort of thing?

[jolinemaria]

People can have beautiful insights and be mad at the same time.

He is speaking truth.
But he is also a killer.

Of course there is no right nor wrong. He was only acting out what is in the collective consciousness of man. All our individual toughts of darkness, hate, rape and murder. We all have put those thoughts out there. He was only acting upon it. In this sense he is perfectly right if he says: 'I am tired of dying for your sins - again and again.'

Be gratefull for the wicked man for he teaches you at his own cost.

Pay him tribute by facing your own inner darkness. Start vibrating on the frequency of love. Don't put any more fear and hate out there in the ether. Then his sacrifice will not have been in vain. Ans no one will have to die again and again for your sins.

[universal_]

People can have beautiful insights and be mad at the same time.

He is speaking truth.
But he is also a killer.

Of course there is no right nor wrong. He was only acting out what is in the collective consciousness of man. All our individual toughts of darkness, hate, rape and murder. We all have put those thoughts out there. He was only acting upon it. In this sense he is perfectly right if he says: 'I am tired of dying for your sins - again and again.'

Be gratefull for the wicked man for he teaches you at his own cost.

Pay him tribute by facing your own inner darkness. Start vibrating on the frequency of love. Don't put any more fear and hate out there in the ether. Then his sacrifice will not have been in vain. Ans no one will have to die again and again for your sins.


That was so great! thanx for posting...thats exactly it!

[phildee3]

He is speaking truth.
But he is also a killer.



Manson killed nobody.
Those who parrot this lie are afraid of what they are looking at in a mirror
and they must keep the mirror in prison at all costs.

[father ted]

I think he's programmed, such a high profile person,
maybe he's there to make wise words seem bad, ha.

[phildee3]

I think he's programmed,



Manson is basically free of programming.

They've tried to program him,
and maybe they've been successful on a number of occasions, for a limited amount of time, but he always recovers!

[universal_]

Manson is basically free of programming.

They've tried to program him,
and maybe they've been successful on a number of occasions, for a limited amount of time, but he always recovers!



lol woo hoo!

[kiwimaj]

Thanx for posting Universal, very interesting.

Part of his talk re. the Power of Now, is spot on!!

The past is gone and the future hasn't happened yet, it is only the NOW this is important, every moment of living in the present moment, for in reality, that is all we EVER have.

Thank you.

:)

[citroen999]

nice speech...

he's done no worse than most cia boys and george bush..

[informationx]

If this video doesn't show it I don't know what does..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk54b_DSOi8&feature=related



.....

Wisdom is wisdom where ever you find it.

[clint_giles]

this was a previous post of mine..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48136

[clint_giles]

this is neet aswell\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWy2ImaRyA

take away the silliness of the end of the video..

listen to what he say's

I like it.

"im brand new,everything i do is always brand new.
Im on the premise of reality !


awesome stuff.

[1freethinker]

mmmmmm, tasty comments so far;) please watch all available videos on charlie:)

everything i do is brand new!!! easily one of my favorite moments.

[leviathanstaar]

It's not 'psycho-babble', good grace I hate that terminology for just about anything.

The man is indeed disturbed, and indeed jaded.

If you cant look past that and see his words make an awful lot of sense (sometimes) than dont bother clicking on threads like these.

To me it's like saying nothing can or should ever be studided by Hilter, just because he was Hitler. See past the personality giving off the words, making them sound much more crazy than they really are is commonplace though

It's ridiculous, and it's used as a tool to make sure we know nothing.

[rossus]

manson sure does look very energetic, concentrated, happy...
which are all signs of "enlightenment" to me ;)

maybe he's not "morally enlightened",
and only enlightened at an energetic level.

the things he says aren't that hard to figure out,
i mean it's nothing new, they're things we've realized ourself.

but his energy, concentration and happiness level do seem to suggest
that he tapped into something powerful and worthwhile ;)

manson's vibes are similar to those of Nisargadatta Maharaj.
he also was really energetic as you can see in the video below.
(you need to fastforward a bit to the part where he is speaking)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUyLIYVrd5U



i believe there's different kinds of "enlightenment" though,
what is enlightenment to one person is not to another.

[armoured_amazon]

Are you like one of those people who'd marry a killer on death row?

Lmfao, stalker fans are most unnerving.

[1freethinker]

Lmfao, stalker fans are most unnerving.

yes they are. I just hope your not talking about anyone in this thread.

[armoured_amazon]

yes they are. I just hope your not talking about anyone in this thread.

Of course not.

[phildee3]

i believe there's different kinds of "enlightenment" though,
what is enlightenment to one person is not to another.



Maybe different kinds of "enlightenment" (on the individuated, personality level) but only one light.

It is the same oneness that we all are.

This is why Charlie (and other enlightened beings) is a mirror.

[1freethinker]

Maybe different kinds of "enlightenment" (on the individuated, personality level) but only one light.

It is the same oneness that we all are.

This is why Charlie (and other enlightened beings) is a mirror.

good one.

[lightgiver]

I have heard this before and really compared to the elites manson is no where near as evil.

Just look how many wars have been created by the elites,

Kissenger the butcher of Cambodia,the bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima,
WW1, WW2,

all the dirty wars we never hear of,the latest wars in the middle east,

Chinese atrocities,African atrocities,Israeli bombs killing baby's and children,the list is endless,

America has bombed more countries and killed more people than any country put together,its insane.

Why are all these leaders not doing time????????????

This is one truly messed up topsy turvy insane world,the real killers run the flippin world :eek::eek:

[phildee3]

This is one truly messed up topsy turvy insane world,the real killers run the flippin world :eek::eek:



Just like Charlie says.
He's the one who's free.

Your inside is out, and your outside is in
Your outside is in, and you inside is out
Everybody's got something to hide, except for me and my monkey. (John and Yoko).

[supertzar]

Is everyone so sure Manson is guilty as charged? It couldn't be Polanski or the cops who murdered Sharon Tate?

[thirdwave]

The truth is sometimes something that does not make us feel comfy... even "evil" people can have genuine messages...

I Do not know what to make of him with regards to the killings.. he did not even get a chance to defend him self in court apparently... and the girls who stabbed the women to death while she begged for her life will only find it way to easy and probably easy to convince them selves that it was because of him?

They are the ones that plunged the knife in so I don't see it from their perspective at all.

He was extremely enlightened but I do think as a friend of mine put it, that he picked up the red light sabre and not the green...

most people will only see people like him as filth because they feel threat to THEIR security... so of course when ones own safety is put into question then evil is present... all the other shite that goes on is not so bad as it will not effect them.... most of the idiots that interview him and have not got the brain capacity to know what he is on about are the same people who would silence someone for speaking out about the real story behind the mass murder and torture of thousands of people in the Twin Towers... but a crazy hippy who failed to control a house hold of fucked up pot heads is the face of evil in our society.

So yes, I think he is a man with something to say good and evil people are both effects of our universe... that being said I'm not sure if evil is the right word for this guy.... certainly interesting.

When you also note that this event kind of rapped up the 60s... you do wonder if that house hold was subject to mind control and that the hidden forces might have been at work...


it just seems all this kind of stories always have so many twists...

this girl was taken in by him and was jailed for trying to assassinate the president with a blank gun barrel.... she wanted Manson to be freed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fJGxTfeqI

I find the whole case really interesting.

[phildee3]

He was extremely enlightened...



Was???

Have I missed something?

[thirdwave]

Was???

Have I missed something?

no he is still alive.. im talking about when he was a free man...

I guess is still is although does not get to talk to many..

[nofuture]

He studied Scientology methods in prison before he was released in 1967.

'Did it for brother'
There are better targets than film stars and petty drug dealers surely.

[1freethinker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE3g-lfHPf4

[pinnochio]

I'm sitting around with some friends. We been smoking abit of pot and some are on acid. I says

" These rich people don't know what they got taking it all for granted. All them millions and there's still people starving in the world. Always asking us to give our money to charity when if 20 of them got together and give a couple of million out of they're 30million fortunes. World hunger would be over but they don't the bastards"

Now thats all i say just voicing me opinion and having a little moan. Someone decides to take that totally out of context and decides i'm giving him orders to kill few rich people. When all i was doing was having a little moan.

And how many times has someone angered you and you've said. I'm gonna fucking kill em i swear god. Of course ya not ya just saying it out of anger at the time. Sometimes people do take things totally the wrong way. Then possibly potential innocent people end up in prison for it.

[nofuture]

The face of evil... 40 years on: Prison releases new photograph of serial killer Charles Manson

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1163102/The-face-evil--40-years-Prison-releases-new-photograph-serial-killer-Charles-Manson.html

[kasalt]

Brainwashing a few drugged-out zombies to go out and commit murder is not "enlightened". Neither is it "enlightened" to declare such a person to be "enlightened".

[nofuture]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1163573/Did-Charles-Mansons-murder-gang-strike-Britain.html

Did Manson's Family strike in Britain?

[phildee3]

Brainwashing a few drugged-out zombies to go out and commit murder is not "enlightened". Neither is it "enlightened" to declare such a person to be "enlightened".



You've been reading the Daily Mail again, haven't you?

Didn't you know that they're the brainwashers?

[thirdwave]

[I]The face of evil...

I would say most politicians faces are far more evil..

[phildee3]

I would say most politicians faces are far more evil..



Their hearts are, that's for sure.

[eternal_spirit]

Brainwashing a few drugged-out zombies to go out and commit murder is not "enlightened". Neither is it "enlightened" to declare such a person to be "enlightened".
See someone's been paying attention.

Have any of you Manson lovers ever read about the ritualistic murders
commited by the Manson family? If that doesn't change your mind then you're lost causes.

[eternal_spirit]

He studied Scientology methods in prison before he was released in 1967.

'Did it for brother'
There are better targets than film stars and petty drug dealers surely.
Yup.

The bastards murdered a pregnant woman as part of a ritual to do with murdering pregnant women!:(

I used to shill and think Manson was a good rebel wrongly accused etc, but really when I read up about the murders and who he was connected too etc it totally changed my mind.

[phildee3]

Yup.

I used to shill and think Manson was a good rebel wrongly accused etc, but really when I read up about the murders and who he was connected too etc it totally changed my mind.



Blimey.
They used to just brainwash your old one!

[nofuture]

Manson was never a rebel, his only problem with authority was that it wasn't him personally wielding power.

As the protocols say......


It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorisation, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing their own welfare.

[kasalt]

You've been reading the Daily Mail again, haven't you?

Didn't you know that they're the brainwashers?

What's the Daily Mail got to do with the Manson Family murders?

Did someone at the Daily Mail commit the Manson Family's murders and then frame them for it?

Or perhaps the Manson Family was brainwashed by the Daily Mail to commit the murders, rather than by Manson? :rolleyes:

[phildee3]

What's the Daily Mail got to do with the Manson Family murders?



They wrote the novel.

[kasalt]

They wrote the novel.

And what, fabricated the whole story? In any event, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote the definitive work on the subject:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vIrB5r5BuhUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Helter+Skelter&ei=Z0LFSZKaAY3aygSDn-3SAg#PPA7,M1

Other links of interest:

http://www.charliemanson.com/helter-skelter.htm

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansontestimony-w.html

Charles Manson may not have physically murdered anyone, but he certainly did do his bit to help kill the '60s.

[phildee3]

And what, fabricated the whole story?



No, just rewrote it to put it all on Charlie.



In any event, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote the definitive work on the subject.



The prosecutor, of course!
Silly me! :rolleyes:

[kasalt]

The prosecutor, of course!
Silly me! :rolleyes:

Quite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynBDVvGMKjo

[eternal_spirit]

Quite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynBDVvGMKjo

Wow at the end she says the family believed Manson was a reincarnation of Christ and Satan in one body:rolleyes:

[phildee3]

Wow at the end she says the family believed Manson was a reincarnation of Christ and Satan in one body:rolleyes:



Well they are both aspects of the same being, so if he is one he must be the other.

[phildee3]

Rejoice the joys of spring
sprung like a spring lamb



Is that spring lamb as in "cute,"
or spring lamb as in "yummy"?

Or both?? :eek:

[eternal_spirit]

Is that spring lamb as in "cute,"
or spring lamb as in "yummy"?

Or both?? :eek:

Yes cute.
I don't eat lamb.

Well they are both aspects of the same being, so if he is one he must be the other.

Thou blasphemous against Christ! :D

[phildee3]

Thou blasphemous against Christ!



Blasphemy is the disrespectful use of the name of one or more gods (wiki).

I have the utmost respect for Christ,
- therefore commit no blasphemy!

[phildee3]

Yes cute.
I don't eat lamb.



Mankind, as a whole though, sees "spring lamb" as equally either.

That's my point.

Wherever there is something there is also it's polarity, as it's twin, equal and opposite.
That's the nature of being.

[kasalt]

Wow at the end she says the family believed Manson was a reincarnation of Christ and Satan in one body:rolleyes:

And that's a sure sign of madness. Anyone who believes that they are both God and Satan would also believe that anything goes, and I do mean anything, such as this for example, a photo from the Manson Family crime scene:

http://www.members.tripod.com/%7EVanessaWest/sharonsebring.jpg


Well they are both aspects of the same being, so if he is one he must be the other.

Far be it from me to speak for JC, so I'll try to let him speak for himself...

Matthew 12:
22Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

[kasalt]

"Miss Atkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Atkins) talked about love in 1969. She said of killing Sharon [Tate], 'You have to have real love in your heart to do what I did. I loved her, and in order for me to kill her, I was killing a part of myself when I killed her.'"
Source: http://www.mansonfamilytoday.info/col-paul-tate-letter.htm

http://www.members.tripod.com/%7EVanessaWest/sharonsebring.jpg

[phildee3]

And that's a sure sign of madness. Anyone who believes that they are both God and Satan would also believe that anything goes,



I don't know if Charlie believed that.
The news anchor said that his "followers" did.



Far be it from me to speak for JC, so I'll try to let him speak for himself...

Matthew 12:
22Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.



I fail to see the connection between this and my statement.

[queenofleon]

can anyone tell me the title of that interview cos its been removed from you tube.

[kasalt]

Charles Manson Was a Scientologist
"A very effective thought control technique
could also be worked out from Scientology,
which could be used to make
individuals into willing slaves."
L Ron Hubbard (http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard4.htm)Right from the start, if you can get people to believe in two things that Hubbard taught as fundamental, you are well on your way to success as a cult leader: 1) Truth is a fiction; "truth" is relative.
2) The group (led by me and only me) is more important than you.
After that you can get people to do pretty much anything - like be willing participants in an organized crime cult. That's what Hubbard and Manson both did, to different degrees of "success."

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm (http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm)

[nofuture]

can anyone tell me the title of that interview cos its been removed from you tube.

Manson Family, Where are they now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynBDVvGMKjo

[eternal_spirit]

Charles Manson Was a Scientologist
"A very effective thought control technique
could also be worked out from Scientology,
which could be used to make
individuals into willing slaves."
L Ron Hubbard (http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard4.htm)Right from the start, if you can get people to believe in two things that Hubbard taught as fundamental, you are well on your way to success as a cult leader: 1) Truth is a fiction; "truth" is relative.
2) The group (led by me and only me) is more important than you.
After that you can get people to do pretty much anything - like be willing participants in an organized crime cult. That's what Hubbard and Manson both did, to different degrees of "success."

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm (http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm)


Sure I read somewhere Manson or his family was involved with OTO (or connectted groups) people that's another Scientology - Crowley mind control connection

Crowley's influence on Hubbard


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53929

[phildee3]

... he certainly did do his bit to help kill the '60s.




I can see it coming - the next "definitive work on the subject" -
how Charlie mind-controlled Kennedy's killers. :rolleyes:

[kasalt]

Don't be silly, Manson was too small-time for that.

[thirdwave]

Sure I read somewhere Manson or his family was involved with OTO (or connectted groups) people that's another Scientology - Crowley mind control connection

Crowley's influence on Hubbard


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53929


He was not in any OTO groups (you can read lots of bullshit if you look for it).... but it would not surprise me if he new allot of those kind of people as he was a very wised up person..

I'm not even sure Manson was evil as such... more unhinged I think... people forget he was a bit of a gangster... he lived in that world where people git killed and stuff... so it was no shock to him...

I mean for a guy to be like he is after so long in prison.. in most cases people would see them as a person who needs to be in a mental ward... but because he manages to out smart anyone he talks to he is just left there...

[nofuture]

http://www.susanatkins.org/6-Myth.html

Very interesting article about the Manson case written by Susan Atkins five years ago.
(warning - very long)

[phildee3]

Don't be silly, Manson was too small-time for that.



As he was to pull off the Sharon Tate killings...

[thirdwave]

http://www.susanatkins.org/6-Myth.html

Very interesting article about the Manson case written by Susan Atkins five years ago.
(warning - very long)

thanks, that was an interesting read... I have no doubt much of what she said was true... although I just cant get past the fact that she stabbed a pregnant woman to death who was begging for her and her unborn babies life....

mislead or not, surly at some point there she would have snapped out of it... there must have been some self motivated will as well....

its all to easy to just blame it on him... or it seems that way...

as for her being a Christian now and claiming to be a a new person... so was Jeffrey Dahmer.. but it does not mean he was not guilty..

[nofuture]

'Cease To Exist' explores the music motive to the Manson murders and uncovers Charles Manson's relationship with Beach Boys' drummer Dennis Wilson and record producer Terry Melcher.


http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi1090716441/