Charles manson

[pinnochio]

I know this has been said before but i just wanna say that i think charlie manson was like years before his time. To me he is a very enlightened individual who has been persecuted by money making clever bastards. He knew what was going on with the NWO and stuff i think they knew and locked him up cause of it. Maybe i'm wrong i don't know. Check out this interview its my favourite interview with him and geraldo riviera where manson makes him look like a total cunt and he doesn't even realize it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIM4GGS1pI

[chaozine]

Very interesting interview. Charles seems like a smart guy.

[redman]

Charlie is playing him like the fool he is.


You know what really pisses me off is that they send pricks like Rivera to interview him and the guy is shit at his job. Rivera has infront of him one of the most interesting people to interview and he fails miserably, I bet you could get a really good coherent interview out of Manson if the interviewer was actually a clued up individual too.

Soon as you go down the route that Rivera took then Manson knows straight away were the interview is heading and just plays up to the camera and knows it is a pointless exercise. It would be interesting to see a interview with someone who doesn't take the usual mainstream route and we could probably get to know Manson a lot better, it's pretty obvious that Manson knows how things work in this world.

[clint_giles]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48136


i recommend 2 books
manson in his own words ,author nuel emmons

his prison mate for years that wrote a book about manson
for a favor he owed him.

and this book by george edward his consellor for many years and somewhat friend(after time)

"taming the beast"


after the reading ive done on him and the videos of him

I believe he was set up by the cia for sure via LSD.

you can also find the interview with nuel emmons on youtube.com

[helloperator]

I don't know what video you watched. He just sounded like a 15yo kid on marijuana to me.

[1freethinker]

i have watched all the interviews youtube and google offer on charles manson. I feel if everyone does this they will have lightbulbs go off in there heads. must watch them all. all parts to all interviews. possibly twice over.

[clint_giles]

i have watched all the interviews youtube and google offer on charles manson. I feel if everyone does this they will have lightbulbs go off in there heads. must watch them all. all parts to all interviews. possibly twice over.

exactly

he speaks of self awarness,enlightenment..love is truth

listen to him..

also he only goes nutz in interviews after the reporters repeatedly barrage him with questions of the murders he did not even commit......

[mikethepunk]

If you like Charlie Manson...look up his music. You can find it around and you can probably download it for free somewhere.

My thoughts on Charlie are that he is a nutter who probably was set up by the gov't. But you have to know that the 60's was a time of drug induced insanity in the USA. Too much LSD will make you crazy-literally.

Charlie was not a good man at all, he is just interesting.

[druggalo]

manson quote;

(Charles Manson)]
The parole board's a
bunch of stupid bureaucrats
man, who are laid up on
the dollar bill: "Take
the poison and... and...
and die in that cell; or
say you´re full of shit
and we'll let you go."
You know?! So the parole
board wants me to go in and bow down to their reality
and say that their reality
is the real reality and my
reality is really this
stupid, dumb reality.
-----------------------------------------------
and the supreme court justice you got 10 chicken shyt judges deciding for 250 million ppl
its a game jack ...its not real


http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/6258/3694/1600/63646/manson_edited.jpg
:D

[1freethinker]

If you like Charlie Manson...look up his music. You can find it around and you can probably download it for free somewhere.

My thoughts on Charlie are that he is a nutter who probably was set up by the gov't. But you have to know that the 60's was a time of drug induced insanity in the USA. Too much LSD will make you crazy-literally.

Charlie was not a good man at all, he is just interesting.

i think your wrong about this man. whens hes acting crazy in his interviews, hes doing it puposly. showing the public how "they" want him to come across as crazy. and what is crazy anyways? lol:rolleyes:

[druggalo]

darez no prob wid slayin celeberties
btw-props 2 chris brown on tha rihana beat down..lmmfao

"but mansons gurls cut the fetus out that birds stomic"
ritualistic sacrafice

he did get phucked since he didnt really kill anyone
just told his wemon too, which is conspiracy

manson wrote most of the beach boy lyrics

and the beatles albums subliminally speak to ppl in psychdelic states of awareness. ...heltaskelta...........

"john lennon was a great dude speakin revolution and truth."

todays mainstreme iz mad brain washing mind control bein conducted in the music industries.

[mikethepunk]

i think your wrong about this man. whens hes acting crazy in his interviews, hes doing it puposly. showing the public how "they" want him to come across as crazy. and what is crazy anyways? lol:rolleyes:

Thats true but it still doesnt mean that he is all there in the head.
He was involved in ordering other murders also. Mostly over drugs.

[1freethinker]

Thats true but it still doesnt mean that he is all there in the head.
He was involved in ordering other murders also. Mostly over drugs.

what is it "all there in the head" ?

the guy was used as "there" scapegoat. in prison system since he was 9!! think about that for a second! they CREATED "charles manson"

[clint_giles]

Thats true but it still doesnt mean that he is all there in the head.
He was involved in ordering other murders also. Mostly over drugs.

I did not know that you were there at the ranch ?

please tell more

[the nine]

I know this has been said before but i just wanna say that i think charlie manson was like years before his time. To me he is a very enlightened individual who has been persecuted by money making clever bastards. He knew what was going on with the NWO and stuff i think they knew and locked him up cause of it. Maybe i'm wrong i don't know. Check out this interview its my favourite interview with him and geraldo riviera where manson makes him look like a total cunt and he doesn't even realize it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIM4GGS1pI

he was totally a mind control victim..mkultra.

peter levenda researches him excellently in sinister forces volumes

[dsone]

i have watched all the interviews youtube and google offer on charles manson. I feel if everyone does this they will have lightbulbs go off in there heads. must watch them all. all parts to all interviews. possibly twice over.

see what your saying, this guy is somewhere else...
Im a watch more of his vids

[universal_]

I have been watching his videos for the last hour or so and listening to his music holly shit they're good songs, I just found out he recorded music today, and his songs are sweet too talk about the duality of man.


btw look at this song some guy made I have been listening to it on repeat like 20 times already lol...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4AJ2jnTAVo&feature=channel_page



:D

[universal_]

he was totally a mind control victim..mkultra.

peter levenda researches him excellently in sinister forces volumes

Perhaps... they prey on orphans and people no one cares about.....Manchurian candidate almost..:eek:

[universal_]

what is it "all there in the head" ?

the guy was used as "there" scapegoat. in prison system since he was 9!! think about that for a second! they CREATED "charles manson"



He kind of realizes this and says that in the video posted.

[universal_]

Charlie is playing him like the fool he is.


You know what really pisses me off is that they send pricks like Rivera to interview him and the guy is shit at his job. Rivera has infront of him one of the most interesting people to interview and he fails miserably, I bet you could get a really good coherent interview out of Manson if the interviewer was actually a clued up individual too.

Soon as you go down the route that Rivera took then Manson knows straight away were the interview is heading and just plays up to the camera and knows it is a pointless exercise. It would be interesting to see a interview with someone who doesn't take the usual mainstream route and we could probably get to know Manson a lot better, it's pretty obvious that Manson knows how things work in this world.



I wish I could talk to him, he seems so interesting

[universal_]

i think your wrong about this man. whens hes acting crazy in his interviews, hes doing it puposly. showing the public how "they" want him to come across as crazy. and what is crazy anyways? lol:rolleyes:



Ya he seems to do it purposely, but thing is I think he does it so often its become a part of who he is now.....also he grew up in the system he behaved bad cuz they didn't expect any better from him, and no one loved him unconditionaly, now he's just a continuation of the same thing...except way more complex...he plays them to amuse himself, if he didnt he'd really go crazy...he too smart, a man who's mind is way ahead of his ambitions....it destroyed him, that and the environment which made him...

[universal_]

'Believe me if I started murdering people, they'd be none of you left.'
-Manson


LMAO!

[freedomnonfighter]

Too much LSD will make you crazy-literally.
:rolleyes:
That is just a terribly incorrect statement that I must respond to:
1) There's practically no such thing as too much LSD.
2) People only go 'crazy' during a psychedelic experience when they RESIST ego-death. Psychedelic means "mind manifesting" - so when your mind fears and you believe it to be real, it creates the fear that you actually see/feel/experience [reflects your mind], round and round..
:)
[MK-Ultra is totally different though]

[eternal_spirit]

I thought Manson spoke some sense about the system/society and how it's screwed up etc. That's the kind of message that would have got him friends before he went to prison.

Icke and other good people say the same message.

LSD can cause drug induced schizophrenia, which can be a life long condition.

Most people don't take it when they hit late 20's 30's. You'll find out why if you keep taking it. Believe me it can mess you up.

The truth about Manson is he was probably a hypnotist who sent his gang (the family) to go and commit those Satanicly evil sick murders. Have you not seen or read about that? that will change your mind about him, did mine.

I know from the words of Satanic groups that they do send a hypnotised member of their group to go do murder.

In the prison interviews he says something like go kill so and so don't let no one push you around to one of his gang (Texe) and then says jeez man I didn't really mean for him to go and kill people, I wasn't being serious, but Texe was a bit dim or something and thought I meant it.

Manson would take no LSD or a very small amount compared to his gang, thus giving him the opportunity to hypnotise and have more self control while the others where open to suggestibility.

He may well have been groomed and controlled himself for his position.

[knightbk]

I thought Manson spoke some sense about the system/society and how it's screwed up etc. That's the kind of message that would have got him friends before he went to prison.

Icke and other good people say the same message.

LSD can cause drug induced schizophrenia, which can be a life long condition.

Most people don't take it when they hit late 20's 30's. You'll find out why if you keep taking it. Believe me it can mess you up.

The truth about Manson is he was probably a hypnotist who sent his gang (the family) to go and commit those Satanicly evil sick murders. Have you not seen or read about that? that will change your mind about him, did mine.

I know from the words of Satanic groups that they do send a hypnotised member of their group to go do murder.

In the prison interviews he says something like go kill so and so don't let no one push you around to one of his gang (Texe) and then says jeez man I didn't really mean for him to go and kill people, I wasn't being serious, but Texe was a bit dim or something and thought I meant it.

Manson would take no LSD or a very small amount compared to his gang, thus giving him the opportunity to hypnotise and have more self control while the others where open to suggestibility.

He may well have been groomed and controlled himself for his position.


The man is a piece of shit murderer and the demented people here who idolize him have no idea what they are talking about.

[universal_]

The man is a piece of shit murderer and the demented people here who idolize him have no idea what they are talking about.



Maybe some people like me do not idolize him yet they see the duality of man...and that we're all capable of anything good or bad.....he was very enlightened and Im sorry Id rather see an ignorant closed minded idiot die infront of my eyes then a man with such wisdom rot in jail...but you know what? at least his words are heard...at least the message resonates to some...and if that was his purpose in life to have to suffer all his life since his 16 year old mother neglected and abandoned him to be caged up locked up because he was a product of his environment?! then you know what...thats the path he went through, I think he served a greater purpose if people listened to something as inspiring as the following video.....you are only looking at the bad and all of a sudden case closed....I'm seeing the different sides of an individual who was shaped with a tough life to be what he became...and still so very enlightened....he speaks truth...he indirectly killed yes...we can all do that given the right circumstance or just a snap whatever it takes...but how many of us can rise above?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk54b_DSOi8&feature=related

[eternal_spirit]

One of his songs lol

GARBAGE DUMP

Oh garbage dump oh garbage dump
Why are you called a garbage dump
Oh garbage dump oh garbage dump
Why are you called a garbage dump

You could feed the world with my garbage dump
You could feed the world with my garbage dump
You could feed the world with my garbage dump
That sums it up in one big lump

When you're livin' on the road
And you think sometimes you're starvin'
Get on off that trip my friend
Just get in them cans and start carvin'

Oh garbage dump my garbage dump
Why are you called my garbage dump
Oh garbage dump my garbage dump
Why are you called my garbage dump

TALK:
There's a market basket an' a A&P
I don't care if de box boys are starin' at me
I don't even care who wins de war
SING:
I'll be in dem cans behind my favorite store

Garbage dump oh garbage dump
Why are you called a garbage dump
Garbage dump oh garbage dump
That sums it up, in one big lump

TALK:
I claim all these garbage dumps
In the name of
SING:
(The garbage pickers of America)
(The garbage pickers of America)
(The garbage pickers of America)

TALK:
Oh but it smells
Oh pew ... yeow

[universal_]

One of his songs lol

GARBAGE DUMP

Oh garbage dump oh garbage dump
Why are you called a garbage dump
Oh garbage dump oh garbage dump
Why are you called a garbage dump

You could feed the world with my garbage dump
You could feed the world with my garbage dump
You could feed the world with my garbage dump
That sums it up in one big lump

When you're livin' on the road
And you think sometimes you're starvin'
Get on off that trip my friend
Just get in them cans and start carvin'

Oh garbage dump my garbage dump
Why are you called my garbage dump
Oh garbage dump my garbage dump
Why are you called my garbage dump

TALK:
There's a market basket an' a A&P
I don't care if de box boys are starin' at me
I don't even care who wins de war
SING:
I'll be in dem cans behind my favorite store

Garbage dump oh garbage dump
Why are you called a garbage dump
Garbage dump oh garbage dump
That sums it up, in one big lump

TALK:
I claim all these garbage dumps
In the name of
SING:
(The garbage pickers of America)
(The garbage pickers of America)
(The garbage pickers of America)

TALK:
Oh but it smells
Oh pew ... yeow






LOL goofy.

[eternal_spirit]

A friend used to have a tape of his songs years ago that's the only one that really stuck in my mind.

But it's true he and the family used to scrounge food literally from garbage cans, supermarkets used to have big bins where they'd throw out stuff that was passed it's sell by dates, but if you get there early some of it's edible.

[knightbk]

Maybe some people like me do not idolize him yet they see the duality of man...and that we're all capable of anything good or bad.....he was very enlightened and Im sorry Id rather see an ignorant closed minded idiot die infront of my eyes then a man with such wisdom rot in jail...but you know what? at least his words are heard...at least the message resonates to some...and if that was his purpose in life to have to suffer all his life since his 16 year old mother neglected and abandoned him to be caged up locked up because he was a product of his environment?! then you know what...thats the path he went through, I think he served a greater purpose if people listened to something as inspiring as the following video.....you are only looking at the bad and all of a sudden case closed....I'm seeing the different sides of an individual who was shaped with a tough life to be what he became...and still so very enlightened....he speaks truth...he indirectly killed yes...we can all do that given the right circumstance or just a snap whatever it takes...but how many of us can rise above?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk54b_DSOi8&feature=related

He imposed himself on other human beings and deserved what he got.

As for his enlightenment, what is there to be enlightened about? Of course criminals are the worst of ourselves come out. This is enlightening? Seems like common sense to me.

He rails about "truths" and other crap. Most of which are just common sense and it actually scares me that people think this is enlightening and attribute messianic greatness to him.


News Flash:
The government wants us to all be good citizens who do as were told and don't cause problems. Anybody breaking this mold fails in some way (prison, homelessness, outcast, etc).

Did I just reveal some great insite? Of course not.

[universal_]

He imposed himself on other human beings and deserved what he got.

As for his enlightenment, what is there to be enlightened about? Of course criminals are the worst of ourselves come out. This is enlightening? Seems like common sense to me.

He rails about "truths" and other crap. Most of which are just common sense and it actually scares me that people think this is enlightening and attribute messianic greatness to him.


News Flash:
The government wants us to all be good citizens who do as were told and don't cause problems. Anybody breaking this mold fails in some way (prison, homelessness, outcast, etc).

Did I just reveal some great insite? Of course not.



Its more complicated then that...then why punish someone who are they? this system does NOT work..this does not solve problems or crime it just generates more business...and if these criminals are the embodiment of their inner deamons then who the hell are they to go self righteous and inflict pain and persecute another human being...they are then re-enacting the same thing they did in a controlled and profit based environment!! that is all I am saying...he is enlightened he is supposedly a criminal right?...we can label him as one...but he is speaking to the bigger criminals (the system) who will never come out and say that to him or anyone else in the jails....because then...that would mean they want change, that they want them to do better....but they don't and thats what will keep this backward society running...........SEE THE BIGGER FUCKING PICTURE!!!!!

[uncleknobhead]

I watched this interview i think it was in the late 80s. It was the 1st showing in the UK and was a feature in the advertised on Sky 1 as "murder in America" 2 hour special.
It was absolutely sickening, within the 1st few minutes it showed several murdered people lying on the ground after being shot and cctv of a 15 boy being shot dead in a chemist.Later on was more footage of people being murdered.

Later on in the show Heraldo Riviera interviewed a young boy who shot dead to burglars who broke into his house when his parents were out.
Heraldo kept playfully punching the boy on the arm saying "You did good Tommy" as a kind of macho self appeciation for what the boy had done.

Whilst i would not condone what Manson did, his biography tells a very sad tale of neglect, brutality and physical/sexual abuse at the hands of people in authority.

For anyone who's not watched Oliver Stone's brilliant "Natural Born Killers" i would recommend it as a great film. I watched it at the cinema when it 1st came out and it straight away reminded me of the "Murder in America" 2 hour special, im sure Stone must have seen it too. Their was a news reporter, i think Tommy Lee Jones, in the film who reminded me of Heraldo Riviera.

[universal_]

I watched this interview i think it was in the late 80s. It was the 1st showing in the UK and was a feature in the advertised on Sky 1 as "murder in America" 2 hour special.
It was absolutely sickening, within the 1st few minutes it showed several murdered people lying on the ground after being shot and cctv of a 15 boy being shot dead in a chemist.Later on was more footage of people being murdered.

Later on in the show Heraldo Riviera interviewed a young boy who shot dead to burglars who broke into his house when his parents were out.
Heraldo kept playfully punching the boy on the arm saying "You did good Tommy" as a kind of macho self appeciation for what the boy had done.

Whilst i would not condone what Manson did, his biography tells a very sad tale of neglect, brutality and physical/sexual abuse at the hands of people in authority.

For anyone who's not watched Oliver Stone's brilliant "Natural Born Killers" i would recommend it as a great film. I watched it at the cinema when it 1st came out and it straight away reminded me of the "Murder in America" 2 hour special, im sure Stone must have seen it too. Their was a news reporter, i think Tommy Lee Jones, in the film who reminded me of Heraldo Riviera.



I just seen the Natural Born Killers trailer...WOW looks so goooood!!.....thanx! like they don't make movies like that anymore thats how good it looks.

[phildee3]

Manson is a mirror.
Whatever you say about him you say about yourself.

[eyepod]

exactly

he speaks of self awarness,enlightenment..love is truth

listen to him..

also he only goes nutz in interviews after the reporters repeatedly barrage him with questions of the murders he did not even commit......

"Love is truth" - yeah he clearly demonstrated his love for Sharon Tate and the others that were murdered. Actions speak louder than mere words.

:rolleyes: The guy clearley is a schizoid acid casualty, deliberately incited his group to commit murders and believes in a one world governemnt. Maybe you need to spend some more time in an secure asylum where you will meet many more such "enlightened" lunatics as Mason.

Manson:
We need a one world government. We got to have it man.

[chaozine]

It's so easy to judge others but forgiving others is hard. Why's that?

[phildee3]

It's so easy to judge others but forgiving others is hard. Why's that?



Programming!

For those who have broken free, it's the other way 'round.

[eyepod]

It's so easy to judge others but forgiving others is hard. Why's that?

Imagine he had murdered or incited the murder of your parents or your children. Now ask yourself the same question.

[chaozine]

Programming!

For those who have broken free, it's the other way 'round.

You're right. "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing".

[eyepod]

Programming!

For those who have broken free, it's the other way 'round.

In another thread a while back you could not tell the difference between a toy plastic-bag hot air ballon and a alien space ship as was indoctrinated in that Murdoch propaganda rag called the Sun newspaper of all places.

LOL at "Programming" and "those who have broken free" - the irony!

[phildee3]

"We talk all the time but we rarely communicate." - Charlie.

[eyepod]

"We talk all the time but we rarely communicate." - Charlie.

Wow - deep :cool:

[hellosatellites]

"We talk all the time but we rarely communicate." - Charlie.

Wow, manson is channeling dr. phil ?

[hellosatellites]

[QUOTE=universal_;819262]Ya he seems to do it purposely, but thing is I think he does it so often its become a part of who he is now.....also he grew up in the system he behaved bad cuz they didn't expect any better from him, and no one loved him unconditionaly, now he's just a continuation of the same thing...except way more complex...he plays them to amuse himself, if he didnt he'd really go crazy...he too smart, a man who's mind is way ahead of his ambitions....it destroyed him, that and the environment which made him...[/QUOTE

He is just trying to say I love You, Universal. The love is so strong between you. And he is so smart...he has been hiding in a prison for decades so all the other ladies couldn't snatch him and abuse him further with their mediocrity. Very very smart. In this ingenious way he has been able to save himself, just for you, Universal, because nobody - n o b o d y - understands him like you do. It's a well-known fact.

[pinnochio]

They didn't even know there was a red pill lol

I was reading somewhere something a guy who was around in the 60's said.
He said before a certain point in the 60's nobody had ever heard of B.O and nobody really smelt it or used any form of deodorant. It was only when all the adverts on tv and billboards for deodorant came about that brought B.O into the awareness of people.

[universal_]

[QUOTE=universal_;819262]Ya he seems to do it purposely, but thing is I think he does it so often its become a part of who he is now.....also he grew up in the system he behaved bad cuz they didn't expect any better from him, and no one loved him unconditionaly, now he's just a continuation of the same thing...except way more complex...he plays them to amuse himself, if he didnt he'd really go crazy...he too smart, a man who's mind is way ahead of his ambitions....it destroyed him, that and the environment which made him...[/QUOTE

He is just trying to say I love You, Universal. The love is so strong between you. And he is so smart...he has been hiding in a prison for decades so all the other ladies couldn't snatch him and abuse him further with their mediocrity. Very very smart. In this ingenious way he has been able to save himself, just for you, Universal, because nobody - n o b o d y - understands him like you do. It's a well-known fact.


lmao! asshole!:D

[starstuff]

I don't think I've ever seen a more grounded, self-aware, happy and, above all, free individual as Charles Manson.

[clint_giles]

I don't think I've ever seen a more grounded, self-aware, happy and, above all, free individual as Charles Manson.

IN my honest opinion
I think that would happen to ANYBODY who would have spent as much time alone with themselves as he did.

no doubt about it.

[redman]

What gets me is, Manson didn't actually kill anyone.

There are people who murder people with their own two hands and get out less than 10 years later or even less in some cases.


Manson has been in prison for what... 33 years.


And for someone that is supposedly so crazy he doesn't half talk a lot of sense, fuck all that shit when he's playing up to the camera's, he says himself thats a act.


I'm surprised that so many on this site actually believe everything that is written and shown on TV about this man, it's so obvious that there is more to him than just some psycho. And even if he did kill them with his own hands, who gives a shit... that shit goes on every day on this planet.


Manson is involved in the murders of a few people and gets prison probably til the day he dies, but the system tells us that people who are involved in the deaths of thousands sometimes millions of people are these great men that we should look up to... LMAO


Fuck the system, and I ain't believing fuck all about Manson thats in papers or on TV and film. I think Manson scares the shit out of TPTB and thats why he has been in prison for so long.

[pinnochio]

I agree Clint its like buddha or anyone else that lives solitary. Alot of the time they become enlightened.

And i'm not saying manson is buddha

[opulentview]

Stone said that the part played by Robert Downey Junior was inspired by Geraldo's interview, so you're on point.

I remember a good friend of mine in High School loved rock music and he told me to listen to some Manson songs. I think he was a total nut jub, I'm not getting the logic presented here.

[brainfreeze]

What I want to know is, where are the children of that commune now?

[pinnochio]

Did they have condoms back then?

[1freethinker]

i would like to suggest again that before forming your opinion, watch ALL videos on the net first. ALL parts ,could take you a few days, but well worth it!!!!!

[hellosatellites]

[QUOTE=hellosatellites;819728]


lmao! asshole!:D

At your service :) But only on the forum :D

[mariag]

Charles Manson did not kill anyone . If you want my personal opinipon thats the answer. I think that reporter along with many others are being paid to make it look like Manson is the one. He did not listen to what Charles had to say and he was not being respectful. Charles kept going on about that Crime is sold and bought , on and on but that reporter still would not listen. But the moment he told him that the gun that shot Sharon Tate was Reagans Gun he wanted to end the interview on the spot.
When reading the first homocide progress report on sharons murder they where not even sure weither it was one perpetrator or many.
Its all in a vague blast . Manson told the Reporter something about the well paid judge but he did not listen as it is still in this world today , people are faced with truth but still will not listen , money talks , even on death row interviews.

[i_mght_be_hypnotized]

Right you are! After reading three pages of this thread, I'm thinking, "man, when is someone gonna jump in a make some sense." Manson used sex, drugs, and religion to manipulate and brainwash his "family," initially for the "rush" of power over others, but, ultimately, he began to believe in his own hype, thinking he really WAS Jesus Christ and his vision of an apocalyptic race war would come to pass. Manson ordered the murders to kick off this race war which he believed would result in blacks rising up to kill most of the whites, while he and his "family" hid in some kind of hole in the desert. When it was all done, Manson and his "family" would emerge to take control of the blacks, whom, he felt, would be "lost" without white leadership once they had won the war (yes, Manson was a racist). Why he thought the blacks would submit to his leadership rather than put him and his lilly-white "family" to death is beyond me.

This guy was a "reptillian" in every sense! It sickens me to hear people claim that he is some kind of enlightened being, or apologize for him as a product of the "system." Do people want to apologize for Hitler, Stalin, Hannibal Lecter, Jim Jones, and every other demented killer too? "Oh, he was just misguided, things got out of control..." What crap! There is a point at which a person is held accountable for their deeds.

Some years ago, a schizophrenic homeless man came up to one of my coworkers while she was waiting for someone to unlock the door and let her in the building. The sicko tried (unsuccessfully) to light her on fire. He was, of course, arrested, and I was subpoenaed to his trial as a witness. The "trial" of course, went no where, as this individual was almost immediately found incompetant to stand trial. One might pity this man, as it was clear that his illness caused his actions, and that he was incapable of comprehending the "wrong" he had committed.

Manson (Hitler, Hannibal Lecter, etc.) could clearly understand the "wrong" of their actions.

As far as Manson's musical talent, I suppose we have to have separation of art and artist. I gotta admit "Look At Your Game, Girl" the "secret track" on Guns n Roses' Spaghetti Incident cd is a pretty decent song.

Then again, talented entertainers always have been able to sway the masses (eh, Mr. Lennon)

[i_mght_be_hypnotized]

The one good thing that came from the Manson trial is the prominance of Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor who put Manson and his followers behind bars. Mr. Bugliosi is now the author of a book entitled "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder." Recommended reading. Mr. Bugliosi's track record is stellar. He has lost only 1 out of 106 felony cases which he tried as a prosecutor. This includes winning a conviction in 21 out of 21 murder cases.

Seems like he might have a case.

[ytch]

LSD can cause drug induced schizophrenia, which can be a life long condition.

Most people don't take it when they hit late 20's 30's. You'll find out why if you keep taking it. Believe me it can mess you up.



I don´t wanna seem lightheaded about the use/ misuse/ abuse of psychoactive substances (the term "drug", by the way, means nothing but "dried parts of any plants", coming from dutch for "dry"),
nor would I ever advertise it,
but it´s not the LSD that messes people up, it´s more likely the people´s state of mind and perception.

I´ve "guided" some people through their first experience,
which is an enourmous amount of responsibility, in my opinion,
for that reason,
and I´d wish people would be more aware about what they do.

It´s dangerous to drive on the highway in a ferrarri,
if you don´t know how to drive in the first place...

And who is "most people"?;) We seem to come from a different background...

And about Manson, I seriously don´t know.
He has got a strangely sick vibration (at least on MY radar..)

love and laughter

[1freethinker]

I don´t wanna seem lightheaded about the use/ misuse/ abuse of psychoactive substances (the term "drug", by the way, means nothing but "dried parts of any plants", coming from dutch for "dry"),
nor would I ever advertise it,
but it´s not the LSD that messes people up, it´s more likely the people´s state of mind and perception.

I´ve "guided" some people through their first experience,
which is an enourmous amount of responsibility, in my opinion,
for that reason,
and I´d wish people would be more aware about what they do.

It´s dangerous to drive on the highway in a ferrarri,
if you don´t know how to drive in the first place...

And who is "most people"?;) We seem to come from a different background...

And about Manson, I seriously don´t know.
He has got a strangely sick vibration (at least on MY radar..)

love and laughter

"strangly sick vibration.....indeed, its truth vibration.

[1freethinker]

if you watch all interviews and come away only with an opinion on charles manson as a person....i feel for you.

[bobbydiva]

he seems incredibly enlightened, and speaks a lot of truth that resonates with me. However he is also a bad person. Is that hard to understand?

He is owning Geraldo in those clips.

[bobbydiva]

Does anyone have any theories on Roman Polanksi and his link with Manson? Polanski's moviesare full of symbolism, and Manson was seemingly "awake".

[jm22]

Does anyone have any theories on Roman Polanksi and his link with Manson? Polanski's moviesare full of symbolism, and Manson was seemingly "awake".

Charles Manson was framed, the lawyer made a lot of money, and they keep a highly influential visionary/'evolutionary' locked down on purpose to keep his mind out of the public.

Listen and read some of his music. You can tell he understands the bullshit government establishment as well further into the whole love and understanding concept. When you're viewed as a prophet or some kind of godsend the bullshit stigma attaches quickly and its hard to get rid of. When you start a following that is for love, peace and whatever that goes against the larger view of things you get assassinated, or like him, literally locked up with the key thrown away. Just like Waco, just like john lennon, just like JFk, just like martin luther king jr, just like the oklahoma bombings..

Divide and conquer.
Lie, cover up and scapegoat.

Fucking incredibly simple to understand if you see the similarities and the mentality behind the people who command this stuff.

Why do you think no one says anything? You're lied about, manipulated, framed, fucked with, or assassinated. That's why everyone is either passive as hell, controlled by the fear of death or figures out its better to be alive in a cancerous society than dead even though they don't remember what death is.

I feel bad for charles manson and even more for all the people who buy in and continue to buy into government manipulation.

[smoking oceanus]

Manson comes across as the kind of guy whom you can get into an very interesting and smart conversation with at first, but after a while he would start getting emotionally carried away, getting lost in his own words and ends up saying all sorts of incoherant weird shit that has no empirical proof.

Ive met a few people like that.

Interesting interview anyway :)

[smoking oceanus]

He's a lil old fashioned too :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kT47PlLS0&feature=related

[nofuture]

Rolling Stone: What did you think of Manson and that thing?

Lennon: I don't know what I thought when it happened, I just think a lot of the things he says are true, that he is a child of the state, made by us, and he took their children in when nobody else would, is what he did. Of course he's cracked, alright.

Rolling Stone: What about "Helter Skelter"?

Lennon: Well, he's balmy, he's like any other Beatle kind of fan who read mysticism into it. I mean we used to have a laugh putting this, that, or the other in, in a lighthearted way. Some intellectual would read us, some symbolic youth generation wants it, but we also took seriously some parts of the role... but, I don't know, what’s "Helter Skelter” got to do with knifing somebody? I've never listened to the words properly; it was just a noise..

[raven_patronus]

The man is a piece of shit murderer and the demented people here who idolize him have no idea what they are talking about.

Yes. I was just watching tonight's Larry King on CNN about the murders he got his followers to do.

He is crazy. He is not healthy. And to say that just because Manson is a non-conformist that he is speaking "the truth" is wrong. He isn't speaking truths. This is the man who believes Helter Skelter is a prophecy of war between blacks/whites.

He is a delusional serial killer.

[bluegrazz]

I cannot fathom what makes you think Charlie Manson was enlightened... Manson was a sick man with no regard for human life.

That being said- And knowing the facts of the case I also think Manson belongs behind bars about as much as David Icke does. Manson never Killed anyone, and if someone told you to go jump off a bridge and you did it- Who's fault and responsibility is it for the damages you sustain for your actions.

People will liken this argument to that of a "hitman" scenario. in other words, they will use the argument that if person A offers money to person B to kill person C- Person A and person B are guilty... This is true (and should be) but the facts in this case do NOT support this argument at all.

Your all wrong, lol... Manson may have brilliant (he was) but so was Hitler. Manson may have been manipulative and Charismatic but so are most sociopaths. Manson may have used his influence to control and enslave people but Manson dosent deserve Prison until Manson commits a Crime (and I dont think he committed a crime excluding Auto Theft, Running a chop shop and drugs) He was Railroaded and "made an example" of- He was still a sick fuck.

[pinnochio]

Ok maybe he's not enlightened.

Someone said before that he has some good insight into the true nature of reality. Maybe thats the best way of putting it

[kasalt]

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kT47PlLS0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kT47PlLS0

[1freethinker]

Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kT47PlLS0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kT47PlLS0

so you watched all the interviews and this is what you came up with??

I dont get it to be honest, either people are scared to post opinions on this thread or havnt watched all the vids? Not sure how its manson "the person" that gets all the attention???

[cathar]

I would sugest you read two books.[1]The Shadow Over Santa Suzana:Black Magic,Mind Control,and the Manson Family Mythos by Adam Gorightly.....[2]The Manson Secret:Book Three of Sinister Forces:A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft by Peter Levenda....

Basing an opinion from an interview on main stream media might not give one a very big picture of the subject.

[truthful]

Manson's a bit like Hitler was, a myth, one that we will never completely fathom. One who will have reams and reams written about him for years to come.

Some say that Manson's followers were actually looking for Terry Melcher the record producer on that fateful night in 1969, we will perhaps never know but someone knows and you can be sure its not just Manson and his followers either.

[karen3]

I'm laughing out loud at the people who say Manson was set up by the CIA via LSD ... He's one hundred percent Project Monarch.

[cathar]

Wow,you have no idea how tired I am of hearing "we will never know what really happened",,,the "Manson secret" is 90% understood,one just has to read the books written by smart people who spent lots of time asking questions.and sifting through information.I keep reading opinions based on very little information,like the blind men describing the elephant.The Terry Melcher bit is distration by the MSM...Nothing is ever as simple as the newspapers make it out to be.,in above post I noted 2 books that cover the Manson business .Have a nice day.

[truthful]

Wow,you have no idea how tired I am of hearing "we will never know what really happened",,,the "Manson secret" is 90% understood,one just has to read the books written by smart people who spent lots of time asking questions.and sifting through information.I keep reading opinions based on very little information,like the blind men describing the elephant.The Terry Melcher bit is distration by the MSM...Nothing is ever as simple as the newspapers make it out to be.,in above post I noted 2 books that cover the Manson business .Have a nice day.

Unless you've ever been homeless and in jail like Manson was and like i've been then you'd never be anywhere near knowing. Don't talk like a muppet.

Manson makes a fool of those who talk to him and believe me i've read the books. You talk like a fool.

[shadowmoon]

I don't know about him as a person, but I like some of his music.

What he could have been if he had made it as a famous musician who knows?

The whole ecology message he had was the preserve of so called "cranks" until govt realised the ££ in tax it could raise.

[cathar]

ZOUNDS!!!! How many people who have posted on this thread were even born when the Manson murders went down? Manson was a sociopath who learned how to manipulate people by studying Scientology in prison.He's been in prison for 41 years now.
and the majority of his life before 1968 was spent in prison or reformatories.He was a triple scorpio,a pimp,car thief,burgler and it's a real shame ,but what goes around,comes around....
the Manson murders are lite up like an Xmas tree with the last names of evil people business...IE:the low killing the high...Tate means "Dweller on a hilltop" Hooten,as in Leslie van Hooten means hollow...see my post "Curious case of criminal last names"..at least two manson family with "high" names were murdered in 1969 because they couldn't be trusted...Hooten's lawyer [Hughes means SPIRIT/MIND] was murdered during her trial...
Terence McKenna said that the closer he looked at history/reality ,the more it resembled a well written novel...So this idea of the low killing the high/spirit is one of thos weird syncronisities lying just beneath the surface of history.

[the cosmos]

Wow. Can't believe he is still alive ? :confused:
Thought he was dead or something.

[fromthatshow]

I know this has been said before but i just wanna say that i think charlie manson was like years before his time. To me he is a very enlightened individual who has been persecuted by money making clever bastards. He knew what was going on with the NWO and stuff i think they knew and locked him up cause of it. Maybe i'm wrong i don't know. Check out this interview its my favourite interview with him and geraldo riviera where manson makes him look like a total cunt and he doesn't even realize it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIM4GGS1pI

I completely agree with you! I've always liked him. Some of the stuff he says is very Buddhist-like. Definitely a smart, enlightened guy.

[the cosmos]

I completely agree with you! I've always liked him. Some of the stuff he says is very Buddhist-like. Definitely a smart, enlightened guy.

Charles Manson is a freaking legend. It's so enjoyable listening to him talk. He is amazing!!!

[dr_woo]

Glad to see there are people who feel the same way about Manson as I do. I read Bugliosi's book and believed he was guilty until I saw that Geraldo interview. Now I believe that Manson WAS railroaded and is innocent of those crimes.

Manson played Geraldo like a piano, that was fun to watch LOL

[cathar]

I would sugest you read two books.[1]The Shadow Over Santa Suzana:Black Magic,Mind Control,and the Manson Family Mythos by Adam Gorightly.....[2]The Manson Secret:Book Three of Sinister Forces:A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft by Peter Levenda....

Basing an opinion from an interview on main stream media might not give one a very big picture of the subject.



This is my post of a year ago....You pro manson posters are sad & ignorant..& naive..

I give up trying to make you see the light...Manson was a pimp & a sociopath...

among other things...:cool:

[dr_woo]

This is my post of a year ago....You pro manson posters are sad & ignorant..& naive..

I give up trying to make you see the light...Manson was a pimp & a sociopath...

among other things...:cool:
Don't get me wrong, Manson is no angel. I did not base my opinion upon the interview, but rather what my higher self (over soul if you will) told me as I watched it. It told me he was innocent of orchestrating those murders.

I'll see if my library has those titles next time I go though, I do have an open mind, although my higher self has not failed me before

[tits mcgee]

Say what you want to about Charlie but the man was pimpin.

How many 5 foot nothing smelly hippies could pull the bitches like he could back in the day?

[cathar]

There are at least 2 other threads on this forum started in the last year...suggest one read them for starters..

I continue to be amazed by posters who were not even born in 1968

who think Manson is cool ...if you don't know anything about Manson"s biography or the crimes he was accused of

at least look into that...Sheeesh.....

[misa]

Does anyone have any theories on Roman Polanksi and his link with Manson? Polanski's moviesare full of symbolism, and Manson was seemingly "awake".

Yeah they were both mixed up with the the crowley set. Also why is Charlie still in prison whilst that child raping joo cunt ( Roman) still free:rolleyes:

[axomoxa]

Yeah they were both mixed up with the the crowley set. Also why is Charlie still in prison whilst that child raping joo cunt ( Roman) still free:rolleyes:

when i found this i cud not stop reading it till i read it all. it is the most intriguing conspiracy ive read about, since 9/11.

The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation

Manson was nothing but a cia mind control operative, hence why "a smelly hippy who got the bitches". thats why after the fact he relized he was nothing but pawn, he may seem smart, fucking doucher! He ties in with lsd and project monarch, anton levay and "the dawn of statan", polanski and every other pedophile and luciferian scumfuck who came out of the 60s scene including but not limited to the mamas n papas, frank shit ass music zappa, the turks from jack nicholson to fonda, rolling stones and the byrds, beach boys, monkies etc etc etc...

I can not believe how decieving our entire and I MEAN OUR ENTIRE FUCKING HIS-STORY realy is.
its all a lie and I mean ALL OF IT. the matrix....

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html


Part I
May 8, 2008




"There’s something happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear"





Join me now, if you have the time, as we take a stroll down memory lane to a time nearly four-and-a-half decades ago – a time when America last had uniformed ground troops fighting a sustained and bloody battle to impose, uhmm, ‘democracy’ on a sovereign nation.



It is the first week of August, 1964, and U.S. warships under the command of U.S. Navy Admiral George Stephen Morrison have allegedly come under attack while patrolling Vietnam’s Tonkin Gulf. This event, subsequently dubbed the ‘Tonkin Gulf Incident,’ will result in the immediate passing by the U.S. Congress of the obviously pre-drafted Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which will, in turn, quickly lead to America’s deep immersion into the bloody Vietnam quagmire. Before it is over, well over fifty thousand American bodies – along with literally millions of Southeast Asian bodies – will litter the battlefields of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.



For the record, the Tonkin Gulf Incident appears to differ somewhat from other alleged provocations that have driven this country to war. This was not, as we have seen so many times before, a ‘false flag’ operation (which is to say, an operation that involves Uncle Sam attacking himself and then pointing an accusatory finger at someone else). It was also not, as we have also seen on more than one occasion, an attack that was quite deliberately provoked. No, what the Tonkin Gulf incident actually was, as it turns out, is an ‘attack’ that never took place at all. The entire incident, as has been all but officially acknowledged, was spun from whole cloth. (It is quite possible, however, that the intent was to provoke a defensive response, which could then be cast as an unprovoked attack on U.S ships. The ships in question were on an intelligence mission and were operating in a decidedly provocative manner. It is quite possible that when Vietnamese forces failed to respond as anticipated, Uncle Sam decided to just pretend as though they had.)



Nevertheless, by early February 1965, the U.S. will – without a declaration of war and with no valid reason to wage one – begin indiscriminately bombing North Vietnam. By March of that same year, the infamous “Operation Rolling Thunder” will have commenced. Over the course of the next three-and-a-half years, millions of tons of bombs, missiles, rockets, incendiary devices and chemical warfare agents will be dumped on the people of Vietnam in what can only be described as one of the worst crimes against humanity ever perpetrated on this planet.



Also in March of 1965, the first uniformed U.S. soldier will officially set foot on Vietnamese soil (although Special Forces units masquerading as ‘advisers’ and ‘trainers’ had been there for at least four years, and likely much longer). By April 1965, fully 25,000 uniformed American kids, most still teenagers barely out of high school, will be slogging through the rice paddies of Vietnam. By the end of the year, U.S. troop strength will have surged to 200,000.



Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world in those early months of 1965, a new ‘scene’ is just beginning to take shape in the city of Los Angeles. In a geographically and socially isolated community known as Laurel Canyon – a heavily wooded, rustic, serene, yet vaguely ominous slice of LA nestled in the hills that separate the Los Angeles basin from the San Fernando Valley – musicians, singers and songwriters suddenly begin to gather as though summoned there by some unseen Pied Piper. Within months, the ‘hippie/flower child’ movement will be given birth there, along with the new style of music that will provide the soundtrack for the tumultuous second half of the 1960s.



An uncanny number of rock music superstars will emerge from Laurel Canyon beginning in the mid-1960s and carrying through the decade of the 1970s. The first to drop an album will be The Byrds, whose biggest star will prove to be David Crosby. The band’s debut effort, “Mr. Tambourine Man,” will be released on the Summer Solstice of 1965. It will quickly be followed by releases from the John Phillips-led Mamas and the Papas (“If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears,” January 1966), Love with Arthur Lee (“Love,” May 1966), Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention (“Freak Out,” June 1966), Buffalo Springfield, featuring Stephen Stills and Neil Young (“Buffalo Springfield,” October 1966), and The Doors (“The Doors,” January 1967).



One of the earliest on the Laurel Canyon/Sunset Strip scene is Jim Morrison, the enigmatic lead singer of The Doors. Jim will quickly become one of the most iconic, controversial, critically acclaimed, and influential figures to take up residence in Laurel Canyon. Curiously enough though, the self-proclaimed “Lizard King” has another claim to fame as well, albeit one that none of his numerous chroniclers will feel is of much relevance to his career and possible untimely death: he is the son, as it turns out, of the aforementioned Admiral George Stephen Morrison.



And so it is that, even while the father is actively conspiring to fabricate an incident that will be used to massively accelerate an illegal war, the son is positioning himself to become an icon of the ‘hippie’/anti-war crowd. Nothing unusual about that, I suppose. It is, you know, a small world and all that. And it is not as if Jim Morrison’s story is in any way unique...................

[nergal]

Some say he is an advocate of lucifer, but others say he is a child of God.

[phildee3]

Some say he is an advocate of lucifer, but others say he is a child of God.

And they're both right.

[nergal]

They say a house divided against itself can't stand, but they say alot of things.

[anyhoo]

I know this has been said before but i just wanna say that i think charlie manson was like years before his time. To me he is a very enlightened individual who has been persecuted by money making clever bastards. He knew what was going on with the NWO and stuff i think they knew and locked him up cause of it. Maybe i'm wrong i don't know. Check out this interview its my favourite interview with him and geraldo riviera where manson makes him look like a total cunt and he doesn't even realize it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzIM4GGS1pI

I watched most of the first part really trying to understand Charlie and even tried to feel some compassion for him. I don't share your opinion. I saw Charlie pretty damn clearly and the man is insane. His grip on reality is very tenuous. He is very close to being a "babbling idiot". I am not being unkind by saying that. Its just a fact. And he has no authentic insights about the world. He is crazy. I don't why you would admire someone like this.

[phildee3]

They say a house divided against itself can't stand,

...but others say there is unity in diversity.

[eggs of satan]

he actually shape shifts in the video and his eyes go yellow

[indica]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2oZWpqtNi4

rofl

[shankers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2oZWpqtNi4

rofl

So funny.

Seen his NBC Penny Daniels interview? - "I'm brand new! [dancing around] Everything I do is always...brand new! I'm on the premise of reality""

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWy2ImaRyA

[cerulean]

YAY! I'm not the only one who thinks Charlie was a good guy!

I made a joke once that he was the second coming of Jesus Christ.. people got mad.

but really.. if you just listen to what he is saying.. he's got a lot of sense..

I think he was just a wandering d00d, too smart to fit into society, and got wrongly blamed for others' crimes.

love to charlie.

[monay]

Some say he is an advocate of lucifer, but others say he is a child of God.

Charles Manson was an inmate of Vacaville Medical Facility which was and is well known for mind control. There were many LSD experiments on inmates by Dr. Leary of Harvard University. A MK-Ultra program was also developed for use on the enlisted in Viet Nam.

Vacaville also hatched the Sibonese Liberation Army that kidnapped Patty Hearst. That was mind control as well.

TOO MUCH LSD can be treated with Nician or Nicinamide as was done at Woodstock. This information was surpressed in order to spread fear throughout the general population.

Charles Manson would need protective custody if released. He is much safer inside. Prison is his culture any way.

[scamp]

I think that Charles is guilty of multiple murders, Charles "Tex" Watson that is. Charles Manson didn't kill anyone.

[whoami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Bv1GqsPxvEU

[anyhoo]

YAY! I'm not the only one who thinks Charlie was a good guy!

I made a joke once that he was the second coming of Jesus Christ.. people got mad.

but really.. if you just listen to what he is saying.. he's got a lot of sense..

I think he was just a wandering d00d, too smart to fit into society, and got wrongly blamed for others' crimes.

love to charlie.

How sad that you are so misguided to make these statements about a man who is an obvious lunatic. I don't judge Charlie for the murders back in the 1960's. I judge him for who and what he is now.

Charlie the second coming of Jesus Christ? You must be smoking some pretty serious stuff there, mate!

[ofgilead]

Manson is a mirror.
Whatever you say about him you say about yourself.



manson gets it. he is aware of the architecture.

[peanut1981]

I'm an healthcare manager and have worked in secure hospitals for a number of years...

I assure you there isn't just one Charles Manson, he is just the one in the spotlight due to the media circus surrounding him and the era he was active in.

Drugs and especially psychedelics... can break your brain. Fact.

The drug takes the person, not the person takes the drug.

If you're sound of mind, you often come out the other side.

If you're in a bad place... psychedelics are not for you. Should you not heed that... I'll see you pretty much soon :D

[nofuture]

Mental guru. :o

But, thin line between madness & genius!

[lvia]

I admit, something about him intrigues me. Can't quite put my finger on it.