Invasion of the mad Occultists

[baron von lotsov]

They are everywhere, or at least where I live in Glastonbury. You can't even get a bite to eat without signs advertising witchcraft, signs with the Eye of Horus in the Illuminati triangle. It makes me sick and on David Icke forums official/not official it makes no difference, they are everywhere. They don't respond to reason, they pretend to be loving people but their true colours when this cover is blown shows them to be some of the most self centred people around. They pretend to be against the NWO while secretly wishing for it. They think they will ascend in 2012. They spend a lot of their time meditating on the light, doing rituals, and thinking they are above the mere mortal man in the street.

How do they manage to live with the blinding contradiction that the masons and Illuminati are above anything else essentially secret occult groups worshipping Lucifer? They use the same symbols and they think that this supernatural power that they mess about with is beneficial, yet there are more New Age healing outfits than any other attribute to this sham of a following. Contradiction does not bother them; all they are interested in is converting you and degrading you to the point where you too end up with their malady. Then they can control you, since the occult and its attraction is all about power over someone, to force them to do something against their will and to their detriment. How does this square with being loving people? It doesn't.

[cheeb]

Move to Shepton Mallet,
you'll love it,
Full of chavs and skinheads,
You,ll be the top of the tree,
you wouldn't last one day,
you pussy

cat

poe

pttp

[archangel]

what is wrong with occultism? all that occult means is secret/hidden
the fake story of christianity has occult meaning too so christians are occultists too they just don't know it.

occult things need to brought to the open. That way they won't be Occult/"hidden" anymore.

aslo, I hear alot of Christians and others saying secret societies worship Lucifer. Can you please tell me who Lucifer is? I am asking because I really am not sure. What exactly is Lucifer and why is it bad???

One thing that I'm always confused about is that Jesus is considered the "light of the word" and he is just a symbolic reference to the "SUN". Lucifer is said to the "angel of light/ light bearer". They are both referred to as the Morning star.

Maybe they are both symbolic of the same thing? it seems very reasonable to me.

I for one think there is a little but more to the story than that but I'm not going to say worshiping Lucifer is bad because I really don't know what or who he is? how can you degrade the Masons for worshipping Lucifer when you have no clue what Lucifer really is unless you got your definition from Satanic child abusing catholic preists who say he is the "devil"


PLEASE NOTE: in no way am I saying that the Elite are not up to some shady business. I am just asking, why is worshipping Lucifer bad. What or who is he/ and why is it bad.

[baron von lotsov]

"all that occult means is secret/hidden"

Only five words into the reply and a lie is produced. Can any occultist beat that?

[cheeb]

Ever decreasing circles'
same stuff going around
and not going anywhere,
i sympathsise when anyone is banging their head against a wall

[archangel]

Please enlighten us....

What does occult mean?
Who is Lucfier?

[baron von lotsov]

Please enlighten us....

What does occult mean?
Who is Lucfier?

You know very well what it means.

[cheeb]

Lucifer is the chap that features on the last page
of Revelations
22.16
I am the root of the offsping of David
The Bright and Morning Star.

[archangel]

You know very well what it means.

The word Occult means "that which is hidden" referring to secret things that are not in the general public.

You said this was a a lie and I am asking you what the real meaning of Occult is.

Please explain

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The word occult comes from the Latin occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to 'knowledge of the hidden'.[1] In the medical sense it is used commonly to refer to a structure or process that is hidden, e.g. an "occult bleed."[2]

[cheeb]

semantics for beginners'

[chris]

Muhahahah Baron you will never defeat me and my evil cohorts. Eighties haircuts for all!

[james777]

[QUOTE=archangel;66664]
the fake story of christianity has occult meaning too so christians are occultists too they just don't know it.

What is so 'fake' or 'hidden' about christianity?

Can you please tell me who Lucifer is? I am asking because I really am not sure. What exactly is Lucifer and why is it bad???

According to the Bible, Lucifer was the 'leader' of all angels. Second in command in the heavenly realms. It is written that he travelled from planet to planet and from star to star. The Leader of all music in the heavens. Once referred to as the 'the bright morning star', now reduced to the 'father of lies' the 'prince of darkness' the 'thief' and 'satan' himself. He got full of pride and ego and attained a following, 1 /3 of all the angels in the heavens. He tried overthrow the 'creator', the 'God' his master. God threw him and his followers from the heavenly realms and now they are reduced to the 2nd heavens(our universe) and the first heavens(our galaxy). Now is he bad or not?? It all depends on your perception and who you choose to follow. According to followers of God/Jesus he is the enemy.

.

[cheeb]

according to Spiceworld, the official guide to the film,
Lucifer-louis Iffer
was the Seargeant major at the boot camp,
In charge of moulding the spice girls

Originally acted by Gary Glitter, oops,
Then replaced by the more wholesome,
family freindly,
Michael Barrymore oops

You can find anything in books,
Whether it be the Bible or Spiceworld,

Its all dogma,karma, and cat-harsis,

Its up to you which book you choose to follow

[james777]

according to Spiceworld, the official guide to the film,
Lucifer-louis Iffer
was the Seargeant major at the boot camp,
In charge of moulding the spice girls

Originally acted by Gary Glitter, oops,
Then replaced by the more wholesome,
family freindly,
Michael Barrymore oops

You can find anything in books,
Whether it be the Bible or Spiceworld,

Its all dogma,karma, and cat-harsis,

Its up to you which book you choose to follow

you're way off subject and not contributing any knowledge here....

[cheeb]

told you about 5 posts back,
biblically
revelation22.16
he also turns up in a film
Angel heart
as
Lou Cipher
Played by bob de nero

as I said before

Stylised bogeyman

POE

PttP

[john white]

according to Spiceworld, the official guide to the film,
Lucifer-louis Iffer
was the Seargeant major at the boot camp,
In charge of moulding the spice girls

Originally acted by Gary Glitter, oops,
Then replaced by the more wholesome,
family freindly,
Michael Barrymore oops

You can find anything in books,
Whether it be the Bible or Spiceworld,

Its all dogma,karma, and cat-harsis,

Its up to you which book you choose to followyou're way off subject and not contributing any knowledge here....

On the contrary, cheeb is making perfect sense if you actually understand the pattern of the information

Nice one cheeb mate, very witty!

[mikeproteau]

i really have no idea how it works but if there is some power in using certain shapes to do good than I say go for it, although i would be much too afraid to mess with anything like that. Everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want and that INCLUDES if somone wants to set up a pentagram in central park and start wierd chanting, thats thier freedom to be able to do that as long as its not infringing on other peoples rights. If you dont like were you live i would suggest moving.

[terminus_est]

i really have no idea how it works but if there is some power in using certain shapes to do good than I say go for it, although i would be much too afraid to mess with anything like that.

Yeah demonic entities can be quite deceptive you know. And I'm talking QUITE deceptive. And they have agendas too.

Everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want and that INCLUDES if somone wants to set up a pentagram in central park and start wierd chanting, thats thier freedom to be able to do that as long as its not infringing on other peoples rights. If you dont like were you live i would suggest moving.

Baron is one for FIGHTING on the front lines, not sitting idly on the sidelines, so I'm not sure if he wants to move out of Glastonbury any time soon. Besides, your suggestion would really bring you favor with the Illuminati, since they are trying to open up people worldwide to the occult. Everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want? How Crowleyan of you to say that.

[baron von lotsov]

you're way off subject and not contributing any knowledge here....


This is what they do when they can't figure out an answer to your post that proves it wrong. They can sometimes work in teams as well.

[cheeb]

Please enlighten us....

What does occult mean?
Who is Lucfier?

Ive given my answer
thrice,
thats enough,

occult means hidden,

though not very well,
by the looks of it

[archangel]

[QUOTE=archangel;66664]
the fake story of christianity has occult meaning too so christians are occultists too they just don't know it.

What is so 'fake' or 'hidden' about christianity?

Can you please tell me who Lucifer is? I am asking because I really am not sure. What exactly is Lucifer and why is it bad???

According to the Bible, Lucifer was the 'leader' of all angels. Second in command in the heavenly realms. It is written that he travelled from planet to planet and from star to star. The Leader of all music in the heavens. Once referred to as the 'the bright morning star', now reduced to the 'father of lies' the 'prince of darkness' the 'thief' and 'satan' himself. He got full of pride and ego and attained a following, 1 /3 of all the angels in the heavens. He tried overthrow the 'creator', the 'God' his master. God threw him and his followers from the heavenly realms and now they are reduced to the 2nd heavens(our universe) and the first heavens(our galaxy). Now is he bad or not?? It all depends on your perception and who you choose to follow. According to followers of God/Jesus he is the enemy.

.

Where did you get this information from? Your church?

You need to do some research bro, God never came to earth. There is no way this satan character (extra-terrestrial who travels from star to star) you speak of could ever even attempt to over throw the Great Architect of the Universe.

From everything I've researched, Lucifer is a reference to the Planet Venus.
Is this bad? I have mixed opinions. But people shouldn't say the worship of Lucifer is bad when they have no clue what it is or what it is about.

Christianty is a fake symbolic story of a Mythological Sun God. There have been many saviors throughout history with the identical story as Jesus. It is a completely fictional/symbolic story.

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Cheeb,

Why are you answering my question? I posted that occult means hidden. This question was not for you. It was intended for BVL. Apparently he knows something we do not, and I want him to enlighten us.

[cheeb]

he knows fear and scaremogering,
not much else,
but he is worth listening to,
whether you beleive him is your choice,
weigh up the facts'
he is as valid as anyone else though

[edelweiss pirate]

according to Spiceworld, the official guide to the film,
Lucifer-louis Iffer
was the Seargeant major at the boot camp,
In charge of moulding the spice girls

Originally acted by Gary Glitter, oops,
Then replaced by the more wholesome,
family freindly,
Michael Barrymore oops

You can find anything in books,
Whether it be the Bible or Spiceworld,

Its all dogma,karma, and cat-harsis,

Its up to you which book you choose to follow


The above "Loius Iffer" is not a coincidence but an apt demonstration of why 'their' occult world is not a cool place to hang out...

I mean Spice Girls, Barrymore, Glitter (not to mention Spears and Madonna) all associated with the occult....

On our side we've got Bill Hicks, Jesus and Matt Bellamy..


That alone ought to tell you something...

[barbitone]

*Barbitone sits back and grazes popcorn*

[seanx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by james777
you're way off subject and not contributing any knowledge here....


This is what they do when they can't figure out an answer to your post that proves it wrong. They can sometimes work in teams as well.

Lads, you'se are getting paranoid now.

As for the occult , the catholic church is modelled on it.
At its foundation, it is satantic. Just read a little bit of
history. And study all of it's rituals...... these guys at the top of
the church are master occultists.

Organized religion has nothing to do with Jesus, or the man portrayed
as Jesus.

It's essentially just a game or an experiment in mind-control. But it's
not the only one.

Now they are moving on to the New science - and everywhere we
are being 'told' that we are mere chemical reactions (and nothing else)
totally at the mercy of our genes. ( Look at the massive publicity
Richard Darwins got for his book and the massive publicity
for the new book 'God is not great by Chris hutions ( spelling wrong))

Both these guys peddle the line that we are all meaningless accidents
and promote this new science.


In other words...the same old story, the same old lie ....
we are powerless ...and might as well give up.

In the organized religion model, told the same .....we were
powerless, and totally at the mercy of God. 'Not my will...
but thine Will be done'.

And materialistic science is doing the same thing.

And all dave icke and people like him are doing is trying to reveal
this lie.

No more. No less. No belief required. Only an open mind.

[barbitone]

*Claps and whistles for Seanx*

:D

Score.

[chicken_little]

Eighties haircuts for all!

You have struck fear into my heart. :(

[james777]

On the contrary, cheeb is making perfect sense if you actually understand the pattern of the information

Nice one cheeb mate, very witty!
I'm not talking about 'pattern' or 'wit' here John


[QUOTE=james777;66697]

Where did you get this information from? Your church?

If you'll notice, I said "ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE"

You need to do some research bro, God never came to earth. There is no way this satan character (extra-terrestrial who travels from star to star) you speak of could ever even attempt to over throw the Great Architect of the Universe.

From everything I've researched, Lucifer is a reference to the Planet Venus.
Is this bad? I have mixed opinions. But people shouldn't say the worship of Lucifer is bad when they have no clue what it is or what it is about.

Christianty is a fake symbolic story of a Mythological Sun God. There have been many saviors throughout history with the identical story as Jesus. It is a completely fictional/symbolic story.

If you already know, why are you asking? Or do you just not like my answer??

[james777]

Lads, you'se are getting paranoid now.

As for the occult , the catholic church is modelled on it.
At its foundation, it is satantic. Just read a little bit of
history. And study all of it's rituals...... these guys at the top of
the church are master occultists.

Organized religion has nothing to do with Jesus, or the man portrayed
as Jesus.

It's essentially just a game or an experiment in mind-control. But it's
not the only one.

Now they are moving on to the New science - and everywhere we
are being 'told' that we are mere chemical reactions (and nothing else)
totally at the mercy of our genes. ( Look at the massive publicity
Richard Darwins got for his book and the massive publicity
for the new book 'God is not great by Chris hutions ( spelling wrong))

Both these guys peddle the line that we are all meaningless accidents
and promote this new science.


In other words...the same old story, the same old lie ....
we are powerless ...and might as well give up.

In the organized religion model, told the same .....we were
powerless, and totally at the mercy of God. 'Not my will...
but thine Will be done'.

And materialistic science is doing the same thing.

And all dave icke and people like him are doing is trying to reveal
this lie.

No more. No less. No belief required. Only an open mind.
Good points here.......

[edelweiss pirate]

Why bring up the Catholic church all the time Sean... We all know what they're like..... Giving the Catholic church as an example of Christianity is like giving Hannibal Lector as an example of a gourmet chef...

We all hate the Catholic church.. I don't think there is any conflict here. They control freemasonry and represent the powers of the anti-christ. That is in the Bible.

The Bible is full of warning about the occult and with good reason. There are very few if any at all, who can get mixed up in the occult and not go loopy.

Why do you think this is? My belief is that all the beings in the invisible world around us are all piss takers who enjoying making us humans take part in their own comedy show..

Still, I believe we have much power than we are told, we can all do magic or whatever, I do all the time, but what I don't do is conjure up spirits or talk to satan... I just pray that the war doesn't ever happen and that the world can be a happy place....

Prayer is a form of magic I suppose.... Does that mean prayer is occult....

We need a new word because occult has a seriously bad press largely due to those personalities involved on both sides of the screen...

[titurel]

The Lucifer that the elite worship is Satan. Jesus Christ is the true Morning Star, as he is described in Revelation. Satan/Lucifer is the counterfeit messiah, the Pagan Christ, AKA the Antichrist. When the elite speak of Lucifer, they are not referring to Jesus Christ but to Satan, the fallen angel who deceives even the elect by transforming himself into an angel of light.

[james777]

The Lucifer that the elite worship is Satan. Jesus Christ is the true Morning Star, as he is described in Revelation. Satan/Lucifer is the counterfeit messiah, the Pagan Christ, AKA the Antichrist. When the elite speak of Lucifer, they are not referring to Jesus Christ but to Satan, the fallen angel who deceives even the elect by transforming himself into an angel of light.

CORRECT!!

[chicken_little]

If occult meant ONLY "secret/hidden", then just about anyone could be accused of actively practicing occultism, even people who are not even doing anything spiritual. I mean, if I wait for my wife to go to bed and then start reading this website without her knowledge of it, wouldn't that be an occult activity?

[archangel]

The Lucifer that the elite worship is Satan. Jesus Christ is the true Morning Star, as he is described in Revelation. Satan/Lucifer is the counterfeit messiah, the Pagan Christ, AKA the Antichrist. When the elite speak of Lucifer, they are not referring to Jesus Christ but to Satan, the fallen angel who deceives even the elect by transforming himself into an angel of light.

Jesus is a symbolic reprentation of the "Sun" in the sky
he is not even a real person

But Lucifer is a pagan anti christ who is real? that is coming?

How do you know that he is Pagan? Why is Pagan a bad thing? Christians are Pagan too.

The reason why I want other infromation than that from your Church or Bible is b/c that bible was put together by Elite many years ago. Its just a symbolic story evolved around Paganism. There is undeniable proof of this. It is not even something you can argue about. For you to believe your bible, Is the same thing as going with the flow of the New World Order. You are following their mind control. Religion is used for very evil things (Evil done in the name of Goodness). you are welcome to follow what you want but realize that it is fake while you are doing so.

[james777]

If occult meant ONLY "secret/hidden", then just about anyone could be accused of actively practicing occultism, even people who are not even doing anything spiritual. I mean, if I wait for my wife to go to bed and then start reading this website without her knowledge of it, wouldn't that be an occult activity?

I don't know who started the 'rumor', but 'occult' has nothing to do with secret or hidden.

The actual definition is; OCCULT-Supernatural, mystical or magical beliefs, practices or phenomena.

Now, secret societies may study 'occult' but it has absolutely nothing to do with being secret or hidden.

[archangel]

If occult meant ONLY "secret/hidden", then just about anyone could be accused of actively practicing occultism, even people who are not even doing anything spiritual. I mean, if I wait for my wife to go to bed and then start reading this website without her knowledge of it, wouldn't that be an occult activity?

Occult is usually used to describe information that is hidden though

FOr example..

There is an occult history to your planet.

Translation:
The official story of our planet's history is not true. There is an alternative history in which the majority of our public is not aware of.

[danielg]

The actual definition is; OCCULT-Supernatural, mystical or magical beliefs, practices or phenomena.
So does the resurection of Jesus, feeding the 5000, walking on water etc make Christianity occult too?

[james777]

Jesus is a symbolic reprentation of the "Sun" in the sky
he is not even a real person

But Lucifer is a pagan anti christ who is real? that is coming?

How do you know that he is Pagan? Why is Pagan a bad thing? Christians are Pagan too.

The reason why I want other infromation than that from your Church or Bible is b/c that bible was put together by Elite many years ago. Its just a symbolic story evolved around Paganism. There is undeniable proof of this. It is not even something you can argue about. For you to believe your bible, Is the same thing as going with the flow of the New World Order. You are following their mind control. Religion is used for very evil things (Evil done in the name of Goodness). you are welcome to follow what you want but realize that it is fake while you are doing so.

I'm just curious, how are you so certain that the information you believe to be true isn't actually put together by the 'Elite' to throw you off of the trail of 'truth'??

[james777]

So does the resurection of Jesus, feeding the 5000, walking on water etc make Christianity occult too?

By definition, absolutely!

[james777]

Occult is usually used to describe information that is hidden though

FOr example..

There is an occult history to your planet.

Translation:
The official story of our planet's history is not true. There is an alternative history in which the majority of our public is not aware of.

I think you're getting 'Occultism' and 'Paganism' mixed up here.

[titurel]

Jesus is a symbolic reprentation of the "Sun" in the sky
he is not even a real person

But Lucifer is a pagan anti christ who is real? that is coming?

How do you know that he is Pagan? Why is Pagan a bad thing? Christians are Pagan too.

The reason why I want other infromation than that from your Church or Bible is b/c that bible was put together by Elite many years ago. Its just a symbolic story evolved around Paganism. There is undeniable proof of this. It is not even something you can argue about. For you to believe your bible, Is the same thing as going with the flow of the New World Order. You are following their mind control. Religion is used for very evil things (Evil done in the name of Goodness). you are welcome to follow what you want but realize that it is fake while you are doing so.
Jesus is not the sun in the sky... you're subscribing to the same belief system as the Masons who worship the sun.

The elite are awaiting for their messiah who will officially usher in the NWO,,, this Antichrist is Lucifer who will be enthroned in Israel at Jerusalem, which is why you see so much Masonic symbolism in that city. Every Masonic Lodge is modelled on King Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem. Fallen angels once incarnated on earth but at the flood, they were incarcerated and that is where they are to the present day. The NWO is all about this coming race who will appear to usher in the NWO. It's these beings that are orchestrating the NWO agenda. That is why the NWO agenda appears so supernatural... no ordinary humans could mastermind such a vast, global enterprise. It was these fallen beings that set themselves up as gods and they are worshipped by pagans.

As there are demons, reptilians, etc... it follows that there also mightier angels and they are led by God, and it's God who inspired the Bible, which exposes the Satanic agenda. That is why the elite hate Jesus Christ and God. They worship the sun, geometry and the selfishness that arises out of that materialistic philosophy. They worship the creation rather than the Creator. They are green... as in naive because they arrogantly think that Evil can triumph over Good but evil has no power of its own. There is only one source of power and that is God. Reptilians have to syphon off that energy from humanity in order thrive and survive because they cut themselves off from God. It's these demons that are controlling all of the world's major organised religions. Don't forget that King George VI was both a Luciferian Freemason and the Head of the Church of England! Go figure!!!

[james777]

Jesus is not the sun in the sky... you're subscribing to the same belief system as the Masons who worship the sun.

The elite are awaiting for their messiah who will officially usher in the NWO,,, this Antichrist is Lucifer who will be enthroned in Israel at Jerusalem, which is why you see so much Masonic symbolism in that city. Every Masonic Lodge is modelled on King Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem. Fallen angels once incarnated on earth but at the flood, they were incarcerated and that is where they are to the present day. The NWO is all about this coming race who will appear to usher in the NWO. It's these beings that are orchestrating the NWO agenda. That is why the NWO agenda appears so supernatural... no ordinary humans could mastermind such a vast, global enterprise. It was these fallen beings that set themselves up as gods and they are worshipped by pagans.

As there are demons, reptilians, etc... it follows that there also mightier angels and they are led by God, and it's God who inspired the Bible, which exposes the Satanic agenda. That is why the elite hate Jesus Christ and God. They worship the sun, geometry and the selfishness that arises out of that materialistic philosophy. They worship the creation rather than the Creator. They are green... as in naive because they arrogantly think that Evil can triumph over Good but evil has no power of its own. There is only one source of power and that is God. Reptilians have to syphon off that energy from humanity in order thrive and survive because they cut themselves off from God. It's these demons that are controlling all of the world's major organised religions. Don't forget that King George VI was both a Luciferian Freemason and the Head of the Church of England! Go figure!!!

Nicely said!!! There is a very interesting 'article', titled DISCLOSURE: WE ARE NOT ALONE It details this very information you are describing here and is fascinating at very least.......

http://www.truinsight.com/ALPHA%20INTEL%20REPORTS.htm

[archangel]

I'm just curious, how are you so certain that the information you believe to be true isn't actually put together by the 'Elite' to throw you off of the trail of 'truth'??

because in order for them to do that they would have to be God themselves.

REASON 1
There is no way that they invented the Constellation of virgo.
There is no way the elite created the 12 signs of the zodiac
There is no way that the created the winter solstice on Dec 22-25
There is no way that they created the Spring Equinox
There is no way that changed the Universe to which certain angels the sun enters and leaves zodiacal ages.

REASON 2
when you look at Jesus story it fits precisely with Paganism. More so than any of the fake sun gods of the past even.

REASON 3
Pagans who are not christian, they have ceremonies/activities on the same days as their pagan christians do.

Reason 4
History and artifacts show about 25 guys with the same story as Jesus. They would have had to start faking everything from the beginning of time. And even if that was the case, How did they know the story of Jesus in advance? Even if they some how did, This does not explain how all of the keypoints of the story coinside with astrological events.

Reason 5
Churches are filled with pagan symbols. The fish, dove, Pagan crosses, obelisks, etc. Right at the vatican is a huge obelish, the steeples on top of churches is an obelisk. Obelisks were used to analyze the Sun and used in Sun God Worship.

Reason 7
The church used to kill u and call you a satanist of you studied astronomy. things that make you go hmmm....what was it that they didn't want you to find out.

Reason 6
The church went of crusades and ransacked the earth trying to steal all religious history and artifacts so that they could be the religious super power of the earth. this would in turn bring them power and weath. One has to ask why what were the crusades for?

Now I ask you:
How do you know the bible is correct?
Because of your faith?
Because that is what you were raised to believe?
Because that is what your church tells you is correct?

[archangel]

I think you are the one getting confused here. You seem very confused buddy. LIke I said. Its fine to follow christianity. But while your doing so, you should realize that it is fake.

Paganism and Occult are not the same thing buddy. I am starting to think you might just be trying to cause trouble here. I doubt your IQ is that low.

Titurel,
I am open to your possibility. I am just asking you to show me evidence of this. And use something besides the Bible as your reference material b/c as I said it is a Pagan sun god story. I have facts to back this up. I can speak extensively on this. I can show u facts. I want facts on how Jesus is real and the things that you speak of are legitimate.

Also God did not inspire the bible, he did not create Man, talk to Moses, etc.
Those were the Sumerian gods, The Anunaki (aliens). The ones who guys are referring to as the Reptillians. :rolleyes:

[james777]

because in order for them to do that they would have to be God themselves.

REASON 1
There is no way that they invented the Constellation of virgo.
There is no way the elite created the 12 signs of the zodiac
There is no way that the created the winter solstice on Dec 22-25
There is no way that they created the Spring Equinox
There is no way that changed the Universe to which certain angels the sun enters and leaves zodiacal ages.

REASON 2
when you look at Jesus story it fits precisely with Paganism. More so than any of the fake sun gods of the past even.

REASON 3
Pagans who are not christian, they have ceremonies/activities on the same days as their pagan christians do.

Reason 4
History and artifacts show about 25 guys with the same story as Jesus. They would have had to start faking everything from the beginning of time. And even if that was the case, How did they know the story of Jesus in advance? Even if they some how did, This does not explain how all of the keypoints of the story coinside with astrological events.

Reason 5
Churches are filled with pagan symbols. The fish, dove, Pagan crosses, obelisks, etc. Right at the vatican is a huge obelish, the steeples on top of churches is an obelisk. Obelisks were used to analyze the Sun and used in Sun God Worship.

Reason 7
The church used to kill u and call you a satanist of you studied astronomy. things that make you go hmmm....what was it that they didn't want you to find out.

Reason 6
The church went of crusades and ransacked the earth trying to steal all religious history and artifacts so that they could be the religious super power of the earth. this would in turn bring them power and weath. One has to ask why what were the crusades for?

Understanding that God created all, I ask you the same question. How do you know that the information you believe to be true wasn't in fact made up, invented by the elite(satan) to throw you off of the trail of truth? Do you think that it may be possible that they believed these things and made up their own religions because they were anti-God? No one argues the fact that everyone in the church isn't exactly holy or followers of God, but at the same time it hardly makes it a false belief.

Now I ask you:
How do you know the bible is correct?
Because of your faith?
Because that is what you were raised to believe?
Because that is what your church tells you is correct?

Yes, because I believe it to be true. If it's so fake and false, why do you try to 'dis-credit' it so badly??

.

[james777]

I think you are the one getting confused here. You seem very confused buddy. LIke I said. Its fine to follow christianity. But while your doing so, you should realize that it is fake.

Paganism and Occult are not the same thing buddy. I am starting to think you might just be trying to cause trouble here. I doubt your IQ is that low.

I never said they were the same thing, in fact I implied that they were very different and it was 'you' who was getting them confused.

Titurel,
I am open to your possibility. I am just asking you to show me evidence of this. And use something besides the Bible as your reference material b/c as I said it is a Pagan sun god story. I have facts to back this up. I can speak extensively on this. I can show u facts. I want facts on how Jesus is real and the things that you speak of are legitimate.

Also God did not inspire the bible, he did not create Man, talk to Moses, etc.
Those were the Sumerian gods, The Anunaki (aliens). The ones who guys are referring to as the Reptillians. :rolleyes:

I'm curious to see your facts. Statistically you cannot exceed the age of 130 years old, so if your facts are also historic records produced by the 'elite', then they are hardly 'facts'......How do you know God did not inspire the bible or create man or talk to moses?? because Zecharia Sitchin said so????? Ok buddy.....

[archangel]

No

I haven't even heard of Zacharia sitchen. Who is he?

I said there is occult history of the world. Meaning hidden history.

Paganism means the worship/acknowledgment of natural things. The earth/universe etc.

see. You are wrong once again there James777. You are the confused one.

There are records all over the world. The ones the Elite tried to suppress. They failed in retreiving all of them. they all speak of advanced beings "Gods" who created man.

Bottom line.
There is extensive evidence to show that Jesus is fake.
There is extensive evidence to show that your God figure is Fake.

I ask you to show us evidence that what you speak of is true.
You have zero evidence.
You base everything off what your bible and Satanic church tell you.

[titurel]

Titurel,
I am open to your possibility. I am just asking you to show me evidence of this. And use something besides the Bible as your reference material b/c as I said it is a Pagan sun god story. I have facts to back this up. I can speak extensively on this. I can show u facts. I want facts on how Jesus is real and the things that you speak of are legitimate.

Also God did not inspire the bible, he did not create Man, talk to Moses, etc.
Those were the Sumerian gods, The Anunaki (aliens). The ones who guys are referring to as the Reptillians. :rolleyes:
I agree, the Bible does describe the Pagan sun god story, but in the story, the pagan sun gods are the villains of the piece. God created the sun. The sun is a material object fired by energies from God. The material world is an illusion. There are billions of suns in the universe and God made it all come about when he said, "Let there be light". God existed even before the universe. It's pagans who worship the sun. Sun worship was invented by Satan as a blind to gain more souls from God. Satanism and Paganism is all about worshipping the material creation rather than God... and no, worshipping God does not mean worshipping like in the manner we see in Christendom. That form of worshipping is based on Paganism and was devised by the elite who say they follow the sun but who really follow Satan.

You accept there are Reptilians but you fail to acknowledge that there are also divine beings that never rebelled against God and then subsequently fell.

The fallen angels want to return from the abyss they're presently imprisoned in. That's what all the Masonic and secret society lodges are for all round the world. Adepts are spiritualists who converse with these fallen spirits in Tarturus. Adepts think they can command and control these spirits with the right magick, for their own selfish purposes (controlling other people), but they are fooled because it's the spirits that are controlling them. These spirits inspire the elite, through spiritualism, to forge and build civilisation which they hope will culminate in the NWO. Adepts at the top of secret societies are working towards releasing these disembodied spirits from their abyss, "when the stars are right", so that they can once again rule and lord over the world, as they did in former ancient times. In those days they had children from women and its this offspring that are currently ruling the planet and worshipping the "sun" and the material creation. That is why they are so wealthy. Less wealthy pagans involve themselves in the same belief system as the elite, except that its a more watered down version, and thus less shocking and more palatable. The deeper you understand the occult, the more you realise this,.

[archangel]

lets stick to topic here

Jesus--you agree he is fake symbolic story of the sun. Hence you agree it is a pagan story.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Pagans do not just worhsip the sun litterally as God, atleast I do not. It is is defintely the most importnat thing in the solar system which bring life though. Pagans worship all natual things because they feel that GOD is everywhere and within everything. When you are outside in nature, they look at being surrounded in GODs creation and GOD himself since GOD is everywhere and within everything.

This is what the real Jesus supposedly used to preach.
" The kingdom of GOD is inside you and all around around you""

[titurel]

lets stick to topic here

Jesus--you agree he is fake symbolic story of the sun. Hence you agree it is a pagan story.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Pagans do not just worhsip the sun litterally as God, atleast I do not. It is is defintely the most importnat thing in the solar system which bring life though. Pagans worship all natual things because they feel that GOD is everywhere and within everything. When you are outside in nature, they look at being surrounded in GODs creation and GOD himself since GOD is everywhere and within everything.

This is what the real Jesus supposedly used to preach.
" The kingdom of GOD is inside you and all around around you""
Jesus is not a fake symbolic story of the sun. As I wrote above, Jesus Christ is the true Morning Star, as he is described in Revelation. Satan/Lucifer is the counterfeit messiah, the Pagan Christ, AKA the Antichrist. When the elite speak of Lucifer, they are not referring to Jesus Christ but to Satan, the fallen angel who deceives even the elect by transforming himself into an angel of light.

You're summary of what Pagans believe is accurate but that kind of Paganism is only the outer portico of the Masonic Lodge. Once you go deeper into it all, you begin to realise that it's actually about fulfilling the cravings of the beings that spread the lie that nature should be worshipped. These deceptive beings devised this belief system in order to divert worship away from God, so God no longer becomes the focus, but rather the world of matter. These people who think they are so intellectually brilliant have been dazzled and mesmerised by a 1000 points of light. As a result, their minds are fractured, worshipping all the artifacts of God rather than focusing on God himself. What a cunning plan these demonic beings have devised, as they seek ever more crafty ways of syphoning off energy from mankind. Not only are they manipulating the elite but they syphon off plenty of energy from all those who support the big churches and all those who jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire of Paganism.

[chicken_little]

I am open to your possibility. I am just asking you to show me evidence of this. And use something besides the Bible as your reference material b/c as I said it is a Pagan sun god story. I have facts to back this up. I can speak extensively on this. I can show u facts. I want facts on how Jesus is real and the things that you speak of are legitimate.

Also God did not inspire the bible, he did not create Man, talk to Moses, etc.
Those were the Sumerian gods, The Anunaki (aliens). The ones who guys are referring to as the Reptillians. :rolleyes:

Care to share these facts, and explain how you know them to be 100% FACT? I'm not asking this in order to insult or discredit you, so please don't take it that way. It's just hard for me to assume that you have hard facts when this stuff is all based on lore, myth, legend, and ancient writings that could fall into the same category as the Bible and other religious texts that seem to get no credibility in threads like this one.

Also, what facts do you have to back up your claim that the Anunaki are/were real, and that they created man?

Again, don't take this as an insult. This is of genuine interest to me. But I can't say I've ever read any proven facts regarding any of these things. It's always someone pointing out that the Bible is false, Christianity is a lie, God isn't real, and so on. How can those statements be trusted if they are not backed up with proven facts?

I'm really interested in reading what you have! Seriously!

[archangel]

this is what u said two posts back.

"""I agree, the Bible does describe the Pagan sun god story""""

how do you explain the Jesus' story matching up with 25 other saviors?
how do you explain that the key points of jesus' story matching of with astrological events?

isn't the the SUN, the true morning star? when I wake up in the morning the Sun is the star that i see. So you are saying the instead of calling the Sun, the Sun, you call it Jesus???

You are getting off point here. I am not argueing that the upper teirs of masonry are not corrupt.

We are taking about the basic concept of Occultism and Jesus

all that occult means is hidden.
Jesus is fake
Paganism in its "purest form" is an excellent religion which respects the GOD, the earth, animals, all living things, and his fellow man.

those are the facts.

[archangel]

Care to share these facts, and explain how you know them to be 100% FACT? I'm not asking this in order to insult or discredit you, so please don't take it that way. It's just hard for me to assume that you have hard facts when this stuff is all based on lore, myth, legend, and ancient writings that could fall into the same category as the Bible and other religious texts that seem to get no credibility in threads like this one.

Also, what facts do you have to back up your claim that the Anunaki are/were real, and that they created man?

Again, don't take this as an insult. This is of genuine interest to me. But I can't say I've ever read any proven facts regarding any of these things. It's always someone pointing out that the Bible is false, Christianity is a lie, God isn't real, and so on. How can those statements be trusted if they are not backed up with proven facts?

I'm really interested in reading what you have! Seriously!

If you were a historian and through your research, you found out that there were 25 saviors throughout history. All of these guy had pretty much the same story. They were born of a virgin, son of god, performed miracles, walked on water, healed the sick, started their ministry at age 30, were crucified, rose from the dead after 3 deads, and ascended into heaven.

If you were a historian and you found this to be true,

Would this be intriguing to you?
would it make you question whether christianity was true?
Would you ponder how could they all have the same exact stories of how they were born lived and died?
would you consider that they all might be mythologycal stories that are symbolic of something else?

[titurel]

this is what u said two posts back.

"""I agree, the Bible does describe the Pagan sun god story""""
You took what I wrote out of context, though... I wrote:

I agree, the Bible does describe the Pagan sun god story, but in the story, the pagan sun gods are the villains of the piece.

how do you explain the Jesus' story matching up with 25 other saviors?
It's divine mimicry. There is Jesus Christ on one hand, and on the other is Satan, who poses as countless pagan Christs. Interestingly, if you look at the lives of these Pagan Christs closely, you'll find that none of them selflessly sacrificed their lives for humanity. Only Jesus Christ did that. I find it strange that some people can accept shape-shifting Reptilian beings in control of our planet, and yet they cannot swallow the thought that there could be a mighty being that never rebelled and fell, but came to earth to warn people of the situation, in graphic details too... but that's why he was killed because he told the truth about the rulers of the world.

how do you explain that the key points of jesus' story matching of with astrological events?
Because the pattern of the stars are an architypal reflection of the divine heirarchy. Unfortunately, much of that divine heirachy that the stars of heaven represent, rebelled and went their own way. They have now become the stars of this world, but at the end of this great cycle, they shall fall upon mankind. That's the meaning of the prophecy that the Sun, Moon and stars shall fall from heaven. The lights and stars of our world are falling and going out because they no longer reflect the natural primordial situation that was instituted by God. Jesus Christ, however, never rebelled.

The stars of our world are out of synchronisation with divine reality. The literal stars are mere architypes for divine beings. Why worship these stars, whether they be literal or symbolic? Why not recognise that there is a higher reality above the star archetypal symbology? That is why God says that he will create a new heavens and a new earth. Our world is so corrupted, a new heaven and a new earth is all that could set things aright...

all that occult means is hidden.
Occult has two main meanings... 1) anything which is hidden... 2) ceremonial magick, spiritualism, etc... On this forum, I would imagine that when people use the word "occult", they mean it in the second defintion above...

[archangel]

You took what I wrote out of context, though... I wrote:

I agree, the Bible does describe the Pagan sun god story, but in the story, the pagan sun gods are the villains of the piece.

.

who is the pagan sun god then in the New Testament? and how are they villans.

It is Jesus whos appears to the the sun in the New Testament.

How are all of the the other saviors "SATAN". The old religions all taught the same virtures as christianity. Many of the civiliziations who used these older religions were far more peaceful than we are today. How is that the work of Satan

I have no clue what you are talking about in the other half of your post so I'm not even going to comment on that.
is magik something that is known to the public? NO, Hence it is classified Occult.

Saying Occult and Ceremonial magik are the same thing is like saying Chrisitian and Batist are the same thing.

occult means hidden. nothing more nothing less.

[titurel]

who is the pagan sun god then in the New Testament? and how are they villans.
The Pagan sun god is "the ruler of this world", namely the Devil. That is why there is an inverted broken pentagram in the layout of Washington DC because, in exchange for worldly power, the government there has sold its soul to the Devil, just like Faust did, with his broken pentagram. So the villains of the piece in Revelation, are the elite of the world, who worship the Sun. The Sun is an illuminati symbol.

It is Jesus whos appears to the the sun in the New Testament.
Jesus is the true Sun metaphorically speaking. He is not the literal Sun but neither is he just a symbol. Satan, on other hand, poses as the Sun to those in the outer portico, whereas in the inner sanctum, Satan appears as the black Sun. The two faces of Satan. Jesus Christ doesn't have a dark side. He shines on the man from within. It's not necessary to worship something that is external in the direction of the Sun and the East, the direction all Freemasons face.

How are all of the the other saviors "SATAN". The old religions all taught the same virtures as christianity. Many of the civiliziations who used these older religions were far more peaceful than we are today. How is that the work of Satan
Satan performs many good works, but even the road to hell can be paved with good intentions.

When the tongues were confused at the Tower of Babel, God held a Divine Council in which he gave the 72 nations an angel as guardian, but these angels had a will of their own and they set themselves up as gods, and thereby, each nation state set up its own religion, mirroring the Divine prototype but corrupting the image. As I mentioned to you in a previous post, not one of the Pagan Christ figures sacrificed themselves for the sins of mankind. Only Jesus Christ did that and that's what makes him unique.

occult means hidden. nothing more nothing less.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary "occult" can have several meanings:

Oxford English Dictionary

occult: kept secret, esoteric, recondite, mysterious, beyond the range of ordinary knowledge, involving the supernatural, mystical, magical, ...

When people use the term 'occult' in conspiracy discussions, unless otherwise stated, what's usually being referred to is the occult that's associated with magic... "involving the supernatural", as the OED states.

There is one aspect of the occult that claims that Satan is God and God is Satan. That is a very dangerous occult belief system.

[james777]

.No

I haven't even heard of Zacharia sitchen. Who is he?

An author

I said there is occult history of the world. Meaning hidden history.

Clearly you're still confused here, 'Occult history' does not equal 'hidden history'

Paganism means the worship/acknowledgment of natural things. The earth/universe etc.

Paganism- holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions

If you actually check the meaning of things before you claim to know what they mean, it would avoid giving 'DIS-INFO'

see. You are wrong once again there James777. You are the confused one.

It's clear who doesn't know what their talking about and it isn't me

There are records all over the world. The ones the Elite tried to suppress. They failed in retreiving all of them. they all speak of advanced beings "Gods" who created man.

I thought you said you have 'facts'.? I'm still waiting...

Bottom line.
There is extensive evidence to show that Jesus is fake.
There is extensive evidence to show that your God figure is Fake.

Again, where is this 'evidence'? Just because you believe it does not mean that it's evidence......

I ask you to show us evidence that what you speak of is true.
You have zero evidence.
You base everything off what your bible and Satanic church tell you.

My beliefs have nothing to do with the satanic church so your accusations are meaningless. I'm not the one here 'claiming' I have evidence. I merely hold a 'faith' based belief and it's solidified by my spiritual connection to God/Jesus.....if you can't understand this, fine, but don't begin to tell me what's real and what's not.......

[james777]

.this is what u said two posts back.

"""I agree, the Bible does describe the Pagan sun god story""""

how do you explain the Jesus' story matching up with 25 other saviors?
how do you explain that the key points of jesus' story matching of with astrological events?

Ever thought that these stories were intentionally made up to dis-credit the 'real' Jesus??? Ding, ding, ding.......

You are getting off point here. I am not argueing that the upper teirs of masonry are not corrupt.

We are taking about the basic concept of Occultism and Jesus

all that occult means is hidden.
Jesus is fake
Paganism in its "purest form" is an excellent religion which respects the GOD, the earth, animals, all living things, and his fellow man.

I'm sorry, but you're ridiculous! I've displayed some facts for you about 'occult' and 'paganism' and you choose to still believe what you want. Having a conversation with you is absolutely pointless because even in the face of simple fact, you still choose to believe what you already have programmed in your brain.

those are the facts.

ya, if facts mean; false analogies!

[archangel]

James

you are in the Twilight Zone LOL

you bring paranoid to a whole nother level

:rolleyes:

[james777]

James

you are in the Twilight Zone LOL

you bring paranoid to a whole nother level

:rolleyes:

LOL......Please, explain this. I'd love to hear your reasoning here?

[archangel]

all of the old savior stories are made up, counterfits of the real Jesus' used to throw people off the true path of Jesus Christ?

You need to get on some Xanex bro

that is about as paranoid as you can get.

[december]

all of the old savior stories are made up, counterfits of the real Jesus' used to throw people off the true path of Jesus Christ?

You need to get on some Xanex bro

that is about as paranoid as you can get.

Here's what I've found in one good book on page 191:

:)

Nazareth

The town of Nazareth did not appear on Earth until after the gospel tale was known. As Holley says, "There is no such place as Nazareth in the Old Testament or in Josephus' works, or on early maps of the Holy Land. The name was apparently a later Christian invention." In fact, the town now designated as Nazareth is near Mt. Carmel, indicating it was Carmelites who created it.

Jesus, therefore, was not from Nazareth, which did not exist at the time of his purported advent. The real purpose for putting him there was to make of him a Nazarene or Nazarite, as he was the same as the most famouse Nazarite, Samson, a solar myth.

The title comes from the Egyptian word "natzr", which refers to "the plant, the shoot, the natzar... the true vine," and Nazarite is an epithet for the sun, which gives life to the grape vine.

Nazarite is also translated as "prince", as in "prince of peace." The Nazarites/Nazarines were the ascetics who were not to shave their heads or bears unless for ritualistic purpose, because their hair was a symbol of holiness and strength, representing in fact the sun's "hair" or rays, which is why the solar hero becomes weak when the woman cuts his hair. When the hair was long, the Nazarite would have nothing to do with the grape, vine or wine, but when the Nazarete was shorn in a ritual, he would then drink wine.This story reflects the time of the year when the grapes ripen and wine is made, as the sun's rays weaken.

Thus, we see that Nazareth is not the birthplace of Jesus but represents yet another aspect of the mythos. As Massey states, "The actual birthplace of the carnalized Christ was NEITHER BETHLEHEM NOR NAZARETH, BUT ROME!"


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[titurel]

As I mentioned in a previous post, not one of the Pagan Christ figures sacrificed themselves for the sins of mankind. Only Jesus Christ did that and that's what makes him unique. The Pagan Christs were beings that knew the geometric and spiritual architypal patterns of the true Christ. These beings used those patterns to help create "civilisation", civilisation that sprang out of ancient Babylon to the global beast that we have today... a global beast that seeks to become the NWO, manipulating intellegent men to hate God and the Bible.

Without God's intervention, there will be no redemption for mankind in the form of liberation from the global elite who are hell bent on controlling us all without end. There is no man that could achieve it and even an army of like-minded men could not defeat the illuminati because the illuminati have supreme weaponry. That's even given the possibility that enough men could unite because 1000's of years of human history has proven that man as soon as becomes a leader, becomes corrupted. Power eventually corrupts. Only God can dig mankind out of the hole he is digging himself into...

[december]

As I mentioned in a previous post, not one of the Pagan Christ figures sacrificed themselves for the sins of mankind. Only Jesus Christ did that and that's what makes him unique....

Well, let's see what makes him unique:


"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword."

MATTHEW 10:34

[titurel]

Here's what I've found in one good book on page 191:

:)

Nazareth

The town of Nazareth did not appear on Earth until after the gospel tale was known. As Holley says, "There is no such place as Nazareth in the Old Testament or in Josephus' works, or on early maps of the Holy Land. The name was apparently a later Christian invention." In fact, the town now designated as Nazareth is near Mt. Carmel, indicating it was Carmelites who created it.

Nazareth

http://www.inisrael.com/tour/nazareth/history.htm

Nazareth was a small and insignificant village during the period of Jesus. While the site was settled during the period 600-900 BCE, it was too small to be included in the list of settlements of the tribe of Zebulon (Joshua 19:10-16), which mentions twelve towns and six villages. Nazareth is not included among the 45 cities of the Galilee that were mentioned by Josephus, and her name is missing from the 63 towns in Galilee mentioned in the Talmud.It seems that the words of Nathanel of Cana, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" (John 1:47) characterized the site's seeming insignificance. It is needless to say that the people of Judea had never heard of Nazareth.

And from this we understand the reason that Pontius Pilate decorates the cross with the sign "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" (John 19:19) - meaning that the "King of the Jews" is from "nowhere." The early name "Nazarenes" given to the Christians might have been a derogatory nickname that the people of Judea gave to the followers of Jesus (Matthew 26:71, Acts 6:38). Jesus was known throughout the Galilee as "Jesus of Nazareth" (Matthew 21:11 , Mark 14:67) - but for those not from the Galilee, this name had no meaning for them. In order to explain where Nazareth was located, the Galileans had to explain that the village was near Gat-Hyefer (Jonah's hometown,Kings II 14:25), which could be seen from Nazareth. Archeological excavations conducted in Nazareth (by Bagati since 1955) show that Nazareth was a small agricultural village settled by a few dozen families.

The pottery remains testify to a continuous settlement during the period 600-900 BCE. After those years, there was a break in settlement until the year 200 BCE.

Since then, the site of Nazareth has been consistently inhabited. Most of the archeological finds consist of caves, cisterns and grain storage bins. The agricultural character of the site is made obvious with the discoveries of oil mills and mill stones. There were a large number of underground rooms because the soft chalk of Nazareth made it easy to hew caves.

Nazareth is located between the open space of the Jezreel valley and the mountainous regions of the Galilee. The valley and its history were well known to the Jews of Nazareth in the time of Jesus.During the first 20 years of his life that he spent in Nazareth, Jesus had many an opportunity to walk on the mountain ranges, to look over and think about the history of his people. The great battles that had taken place in the valley, together with the great hopes that were dashed with their losses, must have affected and shaped his view on life. The valley of Jezreel, as it is seen from Nazareth, is a natural battlefield. This fact must have influenced the idea of "...all the holders of swords shall fall by the sword," (Matthew 28:52). Another geographical area adjacent to Nazareth was the lower Galilee and the Beti Netofa valley.

In this region there were many small Jewish villages and towns settled by Hellenized Syrians. The largest of these towns was Tzippori, the capital of the Galilee until the year 18 BCE. Even though Tzippori is a 45- minute-walk from Nazareth, the town is not mentioned in the New Testament. The main events in Jesus's life, as described in the New Testament, are the annunciation of his birth (Luke 1:26-38),his childhood and early manhood (Luke 2:39-52, Matthew 2:19-23), and the clash with his fellow citizens (Matthew 13:54-58, Luke 4:17-30). From the very first events relating to the life of Jesus in Nazareth, we learn that the people of his village did not approve of his thinking and behavior. To them he was Jesus, one of the sons of Joseph the carpenter (the other brothers were James, Joseph, Simeon and Judah - Matthew 13:55). Luke describes with great drama how Jesus was rejected by the people of Nazareth. After his sermon in the synagogue aroused their anger, the people took him "and brought him to the precipice of the mountain that their city was built upon" (Luke 4). Some have pointed out that this sentence in Luke is not correct, as Nazareth is built in a valley and not on a mountain. But the valley of Nazareth is on a mountain overlooking the Jezreel valley - and the mountain of the precipice overlooks the valley of Nazaret and the valley of Jezreel.

[titurel]

Well, let's see what makes him unique:


"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword."

MATTHEW 10:34

That's a very good quote because Christ came into the world with truth which is often figuratively portrayed as a sword. He shared that truth with many, so yes, he didn't come into the world to put people into a trance, like the NWO elite do... he came into the world to bring people the sword of truth because its only with such a sword that you can distinguish all the lies and deceptions. That is why the elite hate Christ and they will never have peace in the world so long as they practise lies and corruption.

[archangel]

As I mentioned in a previous post, not one of the Pagan Christ figures sacrificed themselves for the sins of mankind. ..

All of them supposedly died in order to "take away the sins of the wolrd"

Do some research

Look at Horus of Egypt

[titurel]

All of them supposedly died in order to "take away the sins of the wolrd"

Do some research

Look at Horus of Egypt
Horus didn't die in order to take away the sins of the world. He didn't even die to redeem mankind out of Reptilian bondage, but if you have a source that says otherwise, I haven't been able to find one...

[archangel]

You will find page after page after page after page stating he died for the sins of man kind.

http://near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html

Jesus was referred to as the “chief cornerstone” (i.e., capstone) - a reference to an Egyptian pyramid. The chief cornerstone of the pyramid is same symbol for Horus, the Egyptian god and savior. Like the Egyptian pharoah, Jesus was called a “shepherd” who rules the nations with a staff. Horus was a popular Egyptian god who was the son of Osiris and Isis. Osiris and Horus were both solar deities. Osiris was the setting sun, Horus the rising sun. Jesus is the rising Son and the morning star. The pharoah was considered to be an incarnation of Horus (also known as "Amen-Ra," the sun god). In the same way, Jesus is considered to be the incarnation of his heavenly Father. Horus was the “lamb of God” who took away the sins of the world. Horus had an adversary named "Set". Jesus' adversary was "Satan".

The story of Horus can be found in "The Egyptian Book of the Dead” (also known as the "Papyrus of Ani") written over 3,000 years before the birth of Christ.

Identical Life Experiences
(1) It is written that both Horus and Jesus existed before their incarnations.
(2) Horus was born of the virgin Isis on December 25th in a cave/manger.
(3) Horus' birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
(4) The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: "Out of Egypt have I called my son." (Matt. 2:15)

(5) He was a child teacher in the temple and was baptized by “Anup the Baptizer” when he was thirty years old.

(6) He had twelve disciples and performed miracles such as feeding bread to the multitude and walking on water.

(7) He raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
(8) He transfigured on a mount.
(9) He also had titles such as the "way, the truth, the light, the Messiah, God's anointed Son, the Son of Man, the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the Word, the Morning Star, the light of the world.”

(10) He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the lamb, lion and fish ("Ichthys").
(11) Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
(12) Horus was called "KRST," or "Anointed One.”
(13) He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
(14) The adoration of the Virgin and Child is connected with both the adoration of Isis and the infant Horus and the adoration of Mary and infant Jesus. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis, the original "Madonna and Child."

(15) Concerning the writing of the Gnostics, C. W. King, a noted English author, says: "To this period belongs a beautiful sard in my collection, representing Serapis,...whilst before him stands Isis, holding in one hand the sistrum, in the other a wheatsheaf, with the legend: 'Immaculate is our lady Isis,' the very term applied afterwards to that personage who succeeded to her form, her symbols, rites, and ceremonies" (Gnostics and Their Remains, p. 71).

(16) Osiris, Isis, and Horus are the principal trinity of the Egyptian religions. God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit is the Christian trinity. Dr. Inman affirms the Egyptian roots of the Christian trinity "The Christian trinity is of Egyptian origin, and is as surely a pagan doctrine as the belief in heaven and hell, the existence of a devil, of archangels, angels, spirits and saints, martyrs and virgins, intercessors in heaven, gods and demigods, and other forms of faith which deface the greater part of modern religions" (Ancient Pagan and Modem Christian Symbolism, p. 13).

(17) Dr. Draper says: "For thirty centuries the Egyptians had been familiar with the conception of a triune God. There was hardly a city of any note without its particular triads. Here it was Amum, Maut, and Khonso; there Osiris, Isis, and Horus" (Intellectual Development, Vol. I, p. 191).

(18) Dr. Draper stated: "Views of the Trinity, in accordance with Egyptian tradition, were established. Not only was the adoration of Isis under a new name restored, but even her image standing on the crescent moon reappeared. The well-known effigy of that goddess, with the infant Horus in her arms, has descended to our days in the beautiful artistic creations of the Madonna and Child." (Conflict, p. 48).

(19) Mrs. Besant believes that Christianity has its main roots in Egypt: "It grew out of Egypt; its gospels came from thence [Alexandria]; its ceremonies were learned there; its Virgin is Isis; its Christ, Osiris and Horus."

(20) There are two stories connected with Horus that is analogous to stories found in the Old Testament. The hiding of the infant Horus in a marsh by his mother undoubtedly parallels the story of the hiding of the infant Moses in a marsh by his mother. When Horus died, Isis implored Ra, the sun, to restore him to life. Ra stopped his ship in mid-heaven and sent down Thoth, the moon, to bring him back to life. The stopping of the sun and moon by Isis recalls the myth of the stopping of the sun and moon by Joshua.




"Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." - Horus, (Book of the Dead, Ch. 173)

"Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once." - Jesus, (John 13:31-32)

[james777]

If the Bible and the story of Jesus Christ are false, why does the NWO/anti-christ movement hate it so much and try to dis-credit it by spreading more dis-info than ever?

True truth seekers will be able to pick up on this....sheople won't be able to tell the difference.

[baron von lotsov]

Yeah demonic entities can be quite deceptive you know. And I'm talking QUITE deceptive. And they have agendas too.



Baron is one for FIGHTING on the front lines, not sitting idly on the sidelines, so I'm not sure if he wants to move out of Glastonbury any time soon. Besides, your suggestion would really bring you favor with the Illuminati, since they are trying to open up people worldwide to the occult. Everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want? How Crowleyan of you to say that.


Someone who used to live in Glastonbury was on the front page of the newspaper this week. He stabbed his wife 145 times. He said he heard a voice in his head of a slave from Haiti to keep on stabbing. That's what it said in the paper anyway. This kind of psychotic murderous behaviour and various stabbings tend to happen on a fairly frequent basis. This is about the fourth murder of this kind in the last couple of years. Suicides of occultist are also fairly frequent. Apart from that Somerset has the lowest crime rate in the country.

[baron von lotsov]

occult means hidden,



You really are a pathetic parrot. Try substituting the word hidden for occult and see what sense it makes.

[lifeofbrian]

Yeah demonic entities can be quite deceptive you know. And I'm talking QUITE deceptive. And they have agendas too.



Baron is one for FIGHTING on the front lines, not sitting idly on the sidelines, so I'm not sure if he wants to move out of Glastonbury any time soon. Besides, your suggestion would really bring you favor with the Illuminati, since they are trying to open up people worldwide to the occult. Everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want? How Crowleyan of you to say that.

You speak for Baron a lot terminus_est. Are you a hired mouth piece or do you have any independent opinions of your own at all?

Are you one and the same? Certainly sounds like it. You seem to know Baron better than Baron knows himself. His handler are you maybe?

[baron von lotsov]

You speak for Baron a lot terminus_est. Are you a hired mouth piece or do you have any independent opinions of your own at all?

Are you one and the same? Certainly sounds like it. You seem to know Baron better than Baron knows himself. His handler are you maybe?

Don't be so silly.

I know him from 'The Forum' the old unofficial Icke site. Is this surprising to you?

[cheeb]

You really are a pathetic parrot. Try substituting the word hidden for occult and see what sense it makes.
Get lost Ross H......th,
Of Glastonbury Radio unfame

Using his Public Service Broadcasting licence
For dodgy property deals
Oh how fraud runs deep within the BBC
Our tax payers money
Supports this corruption and nepotism
When you pay your licence fee(tax)
Part of it pays for this man's homophobia,holocaust denail,racism, sexism to be aired for public consumption

An E mail is now on the way the the D.G of the BBC.

Shame on you.

Power to the people

Peace on earth

Destroy power not people

Fight corruption, free the masses

[the jock rock]

Don't be so silly.

I know him from 'The Forum' the old unofficial Icke site. Is this surprising to you?

Stop trying to bring us down Baron.
You are the same person.
I saw you "both" at the radio station!:mad::mad::mad::p:D
Pttp

[baron von lotsov]

You two completely amaze me. You pluck facts out of thin air.

Now we are not the same person, anyone with an ounce of common sense can tell that our posts are two distinctly different characters. Secondly I have not been anywhere near Glastonbury Radio and I personally think the station stinks. It is funded by witches, so really dodgy. I will have nothing to do with people like that.

[the jock rock]

You two completely amaze me. You pluck facts out of thin air.

Now we are not the same person, anyone with an ounce of common sense can tell that our posts are two distinctly different characters. Secondly I have not been anywhere near Glastonbury Radio and I personally think the station stinks. It is funded by witches, so really dodgy. I will have nothing to do with people like that.

"The best place to find them from".
Two distinctly different people? Could have fooled me!
Both scared of "Hidden Things" and witches and broomsticks.
I've shagged lots of witches as a lad and not one of them believed in Satan,
let alone worshiped him.Their religion predates everything in their minds-including Devil worship by thousands of years.
Personally, i think real forms of "Devil Worship" came from silly middle class twits in late Victorian times and witchcraft is a Gardnerian invention.

[baron von lotsov]

I don't really care much for you ignorant sheep.

[limelady]

Hi guys,

this thread has gotten quite personal.

Can we please try and keep things a bit more friendly?

Thanks all

LL :)

[terminus_est]

You speak for Baron a lot terminus_est. Are you a hired mouth piece or do you have any independent opinions of your own at all?

Are you one and the same? Certainly sounds like it. You seem to know Baron better than Baron knows himself. His handler are you maybe?

What Baron said in posts #74 and #77. And yes I do know him quite well from many of his post I read from the old Icke forum.

I have been speaking for Baron a bit lately because it seems to me that alot of people around here seem to question his sanity and think he's a narrow-minded devout fundamentalist Christian when in fact he is not. He's just a person with an unwavering moral compass who aims for the truth, plain and simple and prefers to bring out facts rather than opinions. He is very analytical of people and of what happens in the real world and has a knack for spotting liars and disinfo. Alot of people here just really suck at discussing and debating with a person like him and all they gain from deriding him, making fun of him, and even providing him with the same info that he has researched to be BS, is simply proving his points and proving him that they have been led down the path of the brainwashed and that they really need reality checks in order to bring them perspective.

[baron von lotsov]

Hi guys,

this thread has gotten quite personal.

Can we please try and keep things a bit more friendly?

Thanks all

LL :)

When the argument cannot be addressed the person is often attacked instead. I'm used to it.

[terminus_est]

Someone who used to live in Glastonbury was on the front page of the newspaper this week. He stabbed his wife 145 times. He said he heard a voice in his head of a slave from Haiti to keep on stabbing. That's what it said in the paper anyway. This kind of psychotic murderous behaviour and various stabbings tend to happen on a fairly frequent basis. This is about the fourth murder of this kind in the last couple of years. Suicides of occultist are also fairly frequent. Apart from that Somerset has the lowest crime rate in the country.

Interesting. Reminds me of the town where Viginti Tres lives, a very witchy and New Agey place at that.. According to him, it has the highest suicide rate of anywhere in Australia and one of the highest among the world as well. It's also interesting how he escaped the demonic influences that led him to contemplate suicide.

[cheeb]

You really are a pathetic parrot. Try substituting the word hidden for occult and see what sense it makes.
Yeah Right,see exactly what you mean Baron

[bigus_dickus]

"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword."

MATTHEW 10:34

the word is μάχαιρα (machaira) and it is translated in english as "sword".

but, if you take it back in context, it means "division".

let me explain. machaira means knife, not sword.

Makhaira - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it is a big sharp knife. here in context, it is being used metaphorically and it means division. here is the original passage and the best translation you can get, because it is mine:

34 Μη νομίσητε ότι ήλθον βαλείν ειρήνην επί την γην· ουκ ήλθον βαλείν ειρήνην, αλλά μάχαιραν. 35 ήλθον γαρ διχάσαι άνθρωπον κατά του πατρός αυτού και θυγατέρα κατά της μητρός αυτής και νύμφην κατά της πενθεράς αυτής·

translation:

34 do not think that i came to put peace on earth; i did not come to put peace, but division. 35 because i came to divide man from his father and daughter from her mother and daughter in law from her mother in law.


the reason he says this, is because people's devotion to him, would turn even their own family against them. it was a warning. we can know this, by simply remembering who jesus was and what else he has said. for example to love your enemies. a christian who would follow jesus would not be able to hate anyone, so it is impossible that jesus instructed his disciples to hate contradicting himself. this thought of course is unnecessary for someone who has studied and understood the bible. and if the translation was better, you would have understood that jesus is talking about love, not hate. he is saying a simple thing: that by loving god more than you love your relatives, will turn them against you, so be aware and don't think that this is the easiest thing you can do, because this is going to be "the hard road".

[rossus]

i can see that when using the bible and other texts as references...
one can come to the conclusion that being in the now is evil or demonic.

to accept ourselves, the people around us and the whole world as they are though,
is not an act of evil... it is an act of love.


http://www.jesus-passion.com/SacredHeartJesus2.jpg
to have a relationship with god, does not mean to believe in jesus and accept him as your savior for the afterlife.
it's about opening your heart now and to look inside for the love that always is.

to return to innocence and find out who you really are.
that which you were... before you thought you was this personality... before you thought you was this body... before there was thought :)
http://spectraleyes.com/albums/artworx/namaskar.jpg

[edit]

Varuna and Mitra are the gods of the oath, often twinned or identified as Mitra-Varuna (a dvandva compound). Varuna is also twinned with Indra in the Rigveda, as Indra-Varuna.
As a sky god, Varuna see .. Varuna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Greek for G3162 μάχαιρα Transliteration
machaira
Pronunciation

mä'-khī-rä (Key)

Part of Speech
feminine noun


b) a straight sword, for thrusting

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3162&Version=kjv-a wise devote for trust (the wise-one for marriage)

Originally Posted by december
"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword."

MATTHEW 10:34

the word is μάχαιρα (machaira) and it is translated in english as "sword".

but, if you take it back in context, it means "division".

let me explain. machaira means knife, not sword.

Makhaira - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it is a big sharp knife. here in context, it is being used metaphorically and it means division. here is the original passage and the best translation you can get, because it is mine:

34 Μη νομίσητε ότι ήλθον βαλείν ειρήνην επί την γην· ουκ ήλθον βαλείν ειρήνην, αλλά μάχαιραν. 35 ήλθον γαρ διχάσαι άνθρωπον κατά του πατρός αυτού και θυγατέρα κατά της μητρός αυτής και νύμφην κατά της πενθεράς αυτής·

translation:

34 do not think that i came to put peace on earth; i did not come to put peace, but division. 35 because i came to divide man from his father and daughter from her mother and daughter in law from her mother in law.


the reason he says this, is because people's devotion to him, ...".

Makara (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:7MNew7SgDTcJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makara+makara&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nl)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The word Makara can refer to several different things.

In Aboriginal mythology, the Makara are the seven sisters who eventually became the Pleiades.
In Hinduism, Makara is a mythical creature and Varuna's and Ganga's Vahana (mount): Makara

In old Greek, Makara means "blessed." Since many East European people accepted Christianity from the Greeks, many of these peoples have Makara in the root of their last names: Makarios (Greeks), the given name Makar gave rise to a number of last names Makarov (Russians), Makarenko (Ukrainians), Makara (Slovaks).

In mythology, Makara is half animal half fish..... Mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Makara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The mark of the beast is upon us http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5494
See why you need > Fish

Nun (Final) - 700
777
A Fish and 2 fishes and 3 fishes --

Real Meaning of 777

666 is locking in... Fish for at least 34 ( or 7 ) to be a healty and.. The FinalNun - 700
0r.. 666 is locking ...in gem
34 (gem 7) + 77 = 111 -- 3 -- to be one with -- 777

- lo! now!


666 is locking...34
The Judgment ©Parshas Va'eira
Exodus 6:2 - 9:34
666 is locking... 34
--- pr.n. "Knowledge of God".
--- so, thus, in this manner; as is said; namely.
... --- pr.n. "Yah is King"
... --- a covering or veil.

see 2 > emptiness, is 316, the same as y'shu (yud shin
vav), the Hebrew name of their messiah316 --> 10
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5494
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5494&page=2


MAHA=GREAT
MAHA_EERA
Era (Time) of WISDOM

Do you like being called Ira? * (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:6jyld05ZMdsJ:www.babynamesworld.com/meaning_of_Ira.html+ira+in+sanskrit+means&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nl)


Name: Ira

Gender: Both


Origin:
Meaning: Hebrew
Watchful

Origin:
Meaning: Greek
Warrior; period of time; chosen one

Origin:
Meaning: Sanskrit
The Wind-God; the earth


Categories: Biblical, Hindu, Jewish, Sanskrit, Christian, Greek, Hebrew, Indian, Greek Mythological

Pronunciation: (EYE rah); (EE rah) [ Guide ]


Form of: Hera

Variants: Iri


Additional Info: In the Bible Ira is King David's priest. Popular in the early part of the twentieth century it has since become rare. This is said EYE rah. It is also used as a female name in Germany and other European countries. This use comes from it being a Greek form of Hera and a nickname for names such as Irina. This is said EE rah. As a Sanskrit male name pronounced 'EE-ruh', it is that of the Wind-God, Vayu. As a Sanskrit female name pronounced 'ih-RAH', its meaning is "the earth" and it is a name of the Goddess Saraswati, Goddess of Wisdom.


Ganges
Ganga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Ganga-Haridwar.png/250px-Ganga-Haridwar.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Ganga.jpg/180px-Ganga.jpg
A sketch of the
goddess Ganga
on her Vahana
(mount) Makara
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Early_morning_on_the_Ganges.jpg/180px-Early_morning_on_the_Ganges.jpg
Situated on the banks of River Ganges,
Varanasi is considered by some to be
the most holy city in Hinduism.Religious significance
Main article: Ganga in Hinduism
According to Hindus the river Ganga (feminine) is sacred. It is worshipped by Hindus and personified as a goddess, who holds an important place in the Hindu religion. Hindu belief holds that bathing in the river on certain occasions causes the forgiveness of sins and helps attain salvation. Many people believe that this will come from bathing in Ganga at any time. People travel from distant places to immerse the ashes of their kin in the waters of the Ganga; this immersion also is believed to send the ashes to heaven. Several places sacred to Hindus lie along the banks of the river Ganga, including Haridwar and Kashi. People carry sacred water from the Ganges that is sealed in copper pots after making the pilgrimage to Kashi. It is believed that drinking water from the Ganga with one's last breath will take the soul to heaven.

Hindus also believe life is incomplete without bathing in the Ganga at least once in their lifetime. In most Hindu families, a vial of water from the Ganga is kept in every house. This is done because it is auspicious to have water of the Holy Ganga in the house, and also if someone is dying, that person will be able to drink its water. Many Hindus believe that the water from the Ganga can cleanse a person's soul of all past sins, and that it can also cure the ill. The ancient scriptures mention that the water of Ganges carries the blessings of Lord Vishnu's feet; hence Mother Ganges is also known as Vishnupadi, which means "Emanating from the Lotus feet of Supreme Lord Sri Vishnu."
http://www.crystalinks.com/hatshepsut.gif
The Queen Who Would Be King
(1473-1458 BC)
Hatshepsut Crystalinks (http://www.crystalinks.com/hatshepsut.html) Hatshepsut was the eldest daughter of Thutmose I and Queen Ahmose, the first king and queen of the Thutmosid clan of the 18th Dynasty.


Hatshepsut dressed like a man and wore a false beard to prove that she could be Pharaoh and rule Egypt in her own right.

Hatshepsut was married to...Tuthmosis II,....but when the young Tuthmosis III came to the throne, Hatshepsut became regent and promptly usurped his position as ruler.


To support her cause she claimed the God Amon-Ra spoke, saying "Welcome my sweet daughter, my favorite, the king of Upper and Lower Egypt, Maatkare,Hatshepsut. Thou art the King, taking possession of the Two Lands."

....As Hatshepsut reestablished the trade networks that had been disrupted during the Hyksos' occupation of Egypt (the Second Intermediate Period), the wealth of the 18th dynasty that has become so famous since the discovery of the burial of Tutankhamun began to be collected. She oversaw the preparations and funding for a mission to the Land of Punt. http://www.crystalinks.com/hatshepunt.jpg

....To further strengthen her position; the Oracle of Amun proclaimed that it was the will of Amun that Hatshepsut be Pharaoh. She publicized Amun's support by having endorsements by Amun carved on her monuments:
Welcome my sweet daughter, my favorite, the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Maatkare, Hatshepsut. Thou art the Pharaoh, taking possession of the Two Lands.

She also claimed that she was her father's intended heir and that he made her crown prince of Egypt. Most scholars see this as revisionism on Hatshepsut's part, but one of her best-known biographers, Evelyn Wells, takes her at her word. Propaganda supporting her claim was commissioned on the walls of her mortuary temple:


Then his majesty said to them: "This daughter of mine, Khnumetamun Hatshepsut, may she live! I have appointed as my successor upon my throne... she shall direct the people in every sphere of the palace; it is she indeed who shall lead you. Obey her words, unite yourselves at her command." The royal nobles, the dignitaries, and the leaders of the people heard this proclamation of the promotion of his daughter, the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Maatkare, may she live eternally.

Hatshepsut is considered as one of the greatest female rulers in her era. She is noted as strong and assertive, while also fair and just.
She built magnificent temples as well as restoring many of the old ones, most notably the great mortuary temple at Deir al-Bahari.


The Red Chapel was built between 1498 and 1483 BC.
http://www.crystalinks.com/hatshepsuttemple.gif

Hidden for more than three millennia, it was
found in 1999 on the banks of the Nile River.

The mortuary temple of Queen Hatshepsut is one of the most dramatically situated in the world. The queen's architect, Senmut,designed it and set it at the head of a valley overshadowed by the Peak of the Thebes, the "Lover of Silence," where lived the goddess who presided over the necropolis. A tree lined avenue of sphinxes led up to the temple, and ramps led from terrace to terrace.
http://www.crystalinks.com/hatshepsut.html


Egyptologists say they have identified the 3,000-year-old mummy of Hatshepsut
BBC - June 27, 2007

crystalinks.com/elliesworld-today

Egypt's Female Pharaoh Revealed by Chipped Tooth, Experts Say
National Geographic - June 27, 2007 (http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html)

Tooth -- Thoth.....a thought
of TI-ME
...... tough-'Tis-t...just a thought...its for...THE-Q

"Lover of Silence,"...like a FISH

Fish is -- a symbol of SILENCE

MaaT-KARA
Ma-ka-ra
Hatshepsut (http://www.waltm.net/hatsheps.htm)



Hatshepsut

Queen Hatshepsut ruled Egypt from about 1503 to 1480 B.C. Pharaoh Maatkara Hatshepsut of Egypt was the first woman in recorded history to rule.
Her name means "most noble of noble women" and she is known as the Queen who dared to be King.

She was the Pharaoh, the daughter of a pharaoh, and the wife of a pharaoh.

Hatshepsut (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Gffrd92U_L0J:www.kingtutone.com/board/viewtopic.php%3F%3D%26p%3D14685+Hatshepsut+Maatkar a+means&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6)
Before taking the throne she was known as:
Hm.t nsw = Great Royal Wife
Hmt nTr nt imn = God’s Wife of Amun
Drt nTr nt imn = God’s Hand of Amun
nsw sA.t = King’s Daughter
nsw sn.t = King’s Sister

Hatshepsut's full Royal Titulary once she took the throne was:
Hr wsrt-kAw = Horus, Powerful of Kas
wDAt-rnpwt = Two Ladies Flourishing of Years
Hr nbw nTrt-xaw = Golden Horus, Goddess of Appearances
nsw-bi.tj (mAa.t-kA-ra) = The King of Upper and Lower Egypt (Maatkare). Maatkare means "Maat is the Ka of Re (Truth is the Soul of Re)". sA ra (Xnm.t-imn HA.t-Sps.wt) = the son of Re (Joined with Amun, Hatshepsut). Hatshepsut means "Foremost of the Noble Women".

Here there is an additional epithet of “Lord of the Offering Rite”:

Hr wsrt kAw nsw-bity nb ir-xt (mAat kA ra) = Horus, Strong of Kas, King of Upper and Lower Egypt, lord of the offering rite, Maatkare.

I’m sure there are other variations.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

as in Sanskrit....
Sk. Ma=mother,Sakti (Power of God)
Sk. Kara=hand,..also..5 ( the fifth element is aether)

[titurel]

Horus was the “lamb of God” who took away the sins of the world.
This is not true, and the author of your article gives no reference to where in the Pyramid Texts, etc, where it is stated that Jesus died for the sins of humanity. Like I said, I've not come across any ancient texts that say that Horus took away the sins of the world. If you can find a reference from ancient sources, I'd be interested to see it.

Btw, I don't doubt that there are many similarities between the Pagan Christs and Jesus, but as I said, the Pagan Christs are part of Satan's design for the coming Antichrist who shall appear towards the end of the Great Plan of the Ages. Satan and his Reptilian followers are all too familiar with the Messianic archetype and they mimic divine truths in order to mislead and deceive.

[baron von lotsov]

Interesting. Reminds me of the town where Viginti Tres lives, a very witchy and New Agey place at that.. According to him, it has the highest suicide rate of anywhere in Australia and one of the highest among the world as well. It's also interesting how he escaped the demonic influences that led him to contemplate suicide.



Australia seems to be a very popular place for occultists. America is as well and we get a lot of both Australian and American occultists jetting back and forth.

Now one other thing it mentioned was that this man at the time of the murder said he was seeing this American woman called Kia but it was not a romantic relationship. This is what started the argument and it just might have been the case that he had seen her prior to the incident although it didn't say this it seems fairly logical. The kind of "where have you been" followed by "I was over at Kia's place..." Women tend to get quite tetchy when another woman is involved with their man so it seems reasonable. After all he claimed that his wife attacked him first. Anyway what I was trying to do was to find any Glastonbury occultist who comes under the name Kia, but unfortunately Google was of no help since it is a name of a car! Maybe someone knows though, so I'll try asking around.

[baron von lotsov]

This is not true, and the author of your article gives no reference to where in the Pyramid Texts, etc, where it is stated that Jesus died for the sins of humanity. Like I said, I've not come across any ancient texts that say that Horus took away the sins of the world. If you can find a reference from ancient sources, I'd be interested to see it.

Btw, I don't doubt that there are many similarities between the Pagan Christs and Jesus, but as I said, the Pagan Christs are part of Satan's design for the coming Antichrist who shall appear towards the end of the Great Plan of the Ages. Satan and his Reptilian followers are all too familiar with the Messianic archetype and they mimic divine truths in order to mislead and deceive.

Horus is another word for Satan. So is Set and also Baal, Wotan/Odin and a load of others that I can't think of right now. A lot of ancient races worshipped Satan and that is why they were so backwards and evil. The Aztecs used to do some extremely gruesome things and also the Mayans. Of course the New Age provides a very much cleansed account of ancient 'cultures' but emphasises the importance of worshipping Satan in its many guises.

[bigus_dickus]

thanks EDIT, you're making some interesting connections, i 'll read them :)

"machera" is kind of a 'special' word. the root "mach" (μαχ) means "fight", so then we have the words: μάχομαι (machome = i fight), μάχη (machi = battle), μαχητής (machitis = fighter, warrior).

example fighter aeroplane = μαχητικό αεροπλάνο (machitiko aeroplano)

the modern greek word for knife is μαχαίρι (macheri) whis is the same word with machaira used in the bible. but i understand that this word in ancient times used to represent a knife weapon or tool regardless of its size, so you had big machairas and small machairas.

but the word was also used metaphorically to describe fight, battle, division and other things as part of idioms.

today we say for example "να κόψω το κάπνισμα μαχαίρι" (to quit smoking machairi = to make a very drastic decision, to "cut" smoking like you cut something with a knife).

[titurel]

i can see that when using the bible and other texts as references...
one can come to the conclusion that being in the now is evil or demonic.
People come to all sorts of different conclusions about many things but, speaking for myself, I don't see how, from reading the Bible, that living in the now is evil. Quite the opposite, in fact!

[titurel]

http://www.jesus-passion.com/SacredHeartJesus2.jpg
http://spectraleyes.com/albums/artworx/namaskar.jpg

What lurid pictures these two pics above are! In the first pic is Christ idolised, when Christ himself said he should not be worshipped.

In the second picture, the eyes are extremely weird... it's just like the eyes belong to a different body to the ones they are set in. A very odd picture in deed!

[alison]

Nobody knows anything for sure. All you know is why you do the things you do. Was there evil in your heart at the time or good?? Each action determins whose side your on.

[auron]

In the second picture, the eyes are extremely weird... it's just like the eyes belong to a different body to the ones they are set in. A very odd picture in deed!
If you think that is odd, try looking at similar pictures whilst taking mushrooms.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/653.gif

I like that picture. I think I'll put it on my site.

Auron http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/images/smiles/happy0075.gif

[titurel]

Nobody knows anything for sure. All you know is why you do the things you do. Was there evil in your heart at the time or good?? Each action determins whose side your on.
There are things we can know for sure and there are many examples of that. Evil flourishes when ignorance fourishes, which is why it's so important to awaken!

[titurel]

If you think that is odd, try looking at similar pictures whilst taking mushrooms.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/653.gif

I like that picture. I think I'll put it on my site.

Auron http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/images/smiles/happy0075.gif
How can you? It's like looking through a sieve or putting your brains through a mincer. I'm not really one for sel-flagelation. I wouldn't inflict that on my worst enemy! It's those eyes that I find to be a problem... they just don't look like they belong to the body that they're set in. The aura I perceive reaks of some frustrated disembodied spirit. ;)

[bigus_dickus]

How can you? It's like looking through a sieve or putting your brains through a mincer. I'm not really one for sel-flagelation. I wouldn't inflict that on my worst enemy! It's those eyes that I find to be a problem... they just don't look like they belong to the body that they're set in. The aura I perceive reaks of some frustrated disembodied spirit. ;)

it is a mirror image. half of it was designed and then mirrored.

[titurel]

it is a mirror image. half of it was designed and then mirrored.
Yes, it's why it seems as though figure is only half-human... it's half-consciousness, a trance-like state. The darkness is there in the half that one can't see. It certainly is a bewitching picture, IMO! :rolleyes:

[auron]

It's called psychedelic art.

Many more similar pictures can be found here:

http://www.erowid.org/culture/art/art_digital.php

I adore these works! :D

[auron]

Get your head around this one....

http://www.erowid.org/culture/art/artists_b/images/archive/brown_luke_fungalinguistic.jpg

[titurel]

They look like stomach bugs under a very strong microscope! :)

[edit]

Message of peace from Atlantis to Galactic Federation of Worlds
-Lucian Ilea
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Lucian IleaUser ID: 246265..........Message of peace from Atlantis to Galactic Federation of Worlds
6/27/2007 3:53 PM
--------------- Quote

Who are You?
What do You want?
From where do You come?
Where are You going?
Whom do You serve?
Who do You trust?

What is life?
Do You have anything worth living for?

The gift of peace is the gift of the Hyperdimensional and PluriGalactic civilization of Atlantis to this Alpha Galaxy
For many eons you have fought,divided on species and human races ,segregated on planets and star unions,not knowing the beauty that lies in Hyperspace

This Gizar system was colonized by us;there were 3 living planets:Mars,Earth and Venus,each one unique in this universe.Each one alive;2 were destroyed and the Venusians and Martians are now living on Geea,this planet
Additionaly,there were created and modified other creatures here,that also exist in this galaxy:dragons,elves,vampires,gnomes and their hibrids,beautifull creatures of light
I am a Creature of Light ,I am Light ,I am the One who brings the Light into this galaxy ,I am the one who opposes Gods,I Am.

I invite you all now to abandon your primitive ways of wars and segregation and live as mature creatures,ready to step into 5-D ,in peace ,together with us,in a common galactic civilization of Light
This will be Yours civilization ,not ours,each of our galaxies is unique and powerfull and alive in its own ways

Join us! Join us in peace!

I am the Light
I want development towards God.
I come from darkness and going through darkness,to the light.
I serve and trust my creatures
Life is Light ,Love ,Work and Trust
I have nothing now.


_____________________

We are in the last stages of our planetary little drama
This account is deleted by Imperial Order.
All the posts of this energy being have absolutely no connection with stupidity or ignorance,so read them at your own risk!

[titurel]

Message of peace from Atlantis to Galactic Federation of Worlds
-Lucian Ilea
www.godlikeproductions (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=405119&mpage=1&showdate=6/30/07&forum=1)

I find the above message has a dark side... what this obviously channelled message is about is an invitation, but from whom exactly? Someone who has come from the dark, apparently, according to the above message. The God I trust has always been in the Light. I wouldn't trust any supernatural Being that reported that it came out of the dark. I therefore have strong reservations about originator of the message...

[baron von lotsov]

I find the above message has a dark side... what this obviously channelled message is about is an invitation, but from whom exactly? Someone who has come from the dark, apparently, according to the above message. The God I trust has always been in the Light. I wouldn't trust any supernatural Being that reported that it came out of the dark. I therefore have strong reservations about originator of the message...

I don't know if you were ever on the old Icke forum but every time that proof that the occult was dodgy was posted the poster called Edit would spam loads of irrelevant crap. I mean sometimes pages of it in order to disrupt the flow of discussion. Make your own conclusions of it but that is what used to happen. Never once did anyone ever get any sense out of him/her/it.

[the jock rock]

You have shown me the errors of my ways oh wise one! I see what you mean
Fuck, i'm silly sometimes and don't see the wood for the trees+i'm a forester
Terminus est- is right when he says how wise and wonderful you are.
In these forums we get stuck into people without thinking.What's changed its
the memory of what happened after attending a coven of witches. Scared my
arse something silly ,it did.These voices kept telling me to kill people and
you don't want that happening.I didn't know what to do. Folks advised kirktoo
sissy my likings so i went to a bloke who knew magic incantations from the
fairy peoples he said.He did some incantations and it went away.
I'm now shaking about what went down next. The voices came back as i was
going to bed one evening and they were now much worse. what they said
to do was disgusting and i thought i was going mad. I didn't know what the
fuck to do about it.My mum called her vicar and he said it was devils its
your own fault. He called in the church excorsist and he got rid for ever.My
wife wouldn't let me go again and now i'm free!:eek:

[baron von lotsov]

Cheers for sharing that story.

You might find others with similar experiences but a lot of people just shrug it off or keep it to themselves. I suppose it's sometimes fear of getting laughed at by people who have no clue about what can really happen. The system calls it mental illness and refuses to acknowledge any connection it might have with messing with the supernatural, since the supernatural does not officially exist in their narrow scientific minds.

[terminus_est]

You have shown me the errors of my ways oh wise one! I see what you mean
Fuck, i'm silly sometimes and don't see the wood for the trees+i'm a forester
Terminus est- is right when he says how wise and wonderful you are.
In these forums we get stuck into people without thinking.What's changed its
the memory of what happened after attending a coven of witches. Scared my
arse something silly ,it did.These voices kept telling me to kill people and
you don't want that happening.I didn't know what to do. Folks advised kirktoo
sissy my likings so i went to a bloke who knew magic incantations from the
fairy peoples he said.He did some incantations and it went away.
I'm now shaking about what went down next. The voices came back as i was
going to bed one evening and they were now much worse. what they said
to do was disgusting and i thought i was going mad. I didn't know what the
fuck to do about it.My mum called her vicar and he said it was devils its
your own fault. He called in the church excorsist and he got rid for ever.My
wife wouldn't let me go again and now i'm free!:eek:


Interesting. So when did you have this experience? And I take it from reading a previous post of yours in this thread that when you were in that coven of witches you partook in their orgies?

[the jock rock]

Interesting. So when did you have this experience? And I take it from reading a previous post of yours in this thread that when you were in that coven of witches you partook in their orgies?

Yes,Terminus_est, i did indeed partake in what can only be described as
orgies.Having been given ,what is termed "fivefold kiss" by the twelve
undressed witches, i was given drugs and spent the night fornicating.
:(
Doing this wasn't as good as it sounds as i was supposed to be Dionysus
incarnate and i must say i didn't feel myself.I enjoy women very much,this
really was different as i behaved like an animal going from one woman
to the next.This is difficult to speak of as i almost lost my wife that sad
year of what can only be described as Hell.
:(:(
Come the day after , i returned to a normal state and sole objectivity
unified my resolve never to do this again. The only problem was that the
next Sabbat saw me back again and the women were naked doing terrible
things while being adorned in a traditional witches hat.:(:(

[the jock rock]

Cheers for sharing that story.

You might find others with similar experiences but a lot of people just shrug it off or keep it to themselves. I suppose it's sometimes fear of getting laughed at by people who have no clue about what can really happen. The system calls it mental illness and refuses to acknowledge any connection it might have with messing with the supernatural, since the supernatural does not officially exist in their narrow scientific minds.

Thankyou very much Baron von lotsov.I do feel as if i have really gone through
with a cathartic experience for sharing that series of events with you
and Terminus_est.Do you know what it was that ruined so much of my life as
those women performed their vile acts? Being a country boy i don't know.

[terminus_est]

Yes,Terminus_est, i did indeed partake in what can only be described as
orgies.Having been given ,what is termed "fivefold kiss" by the twelve
undressed witches, i was given drugs and spent the night fornicating.
:(
Doing this wasn't as good as it sounds as i was supposed to be Dionysus
incarnate and i must say i didn't feel myself.I enjoy women very much,this
really was different as i behaved like an animal going from one woman
to the next.This is difficult to speak of as i almost lost my wife that sad
year of what can only be described as Hell.
:(:(
Come the day after , i returned to a normal state and sole objectivity
unified my resolve never to do this again. The only problem was that the
next Sabbat saw me back again and the women were naked doing terrible
things while being adorned in a traditional witches hat.:(:(

Were they doing animal sacrifices at that time? And at what time do you think you got that influence of demons telling you to kill people?

[cheeb]

have you got there telephone numbers, or adresses,
i'm a bit bored at the moment
and would love to expose their dispicable acts,
I would do so without thanks or grattitude'
as a service to my fellow man,
anything to keep these disgusting women,away from corrupting
fine men,
I will always be on hand,
ready and willing,
to sacrifice myself on the alter, of this debauchery,
Twice on a sunday morning,
POE
PttP

[lucky_dog_nick]

Nice one, jock!!! You are really good.

[seanx]

Cheeb wrote:

have you got there telephone numbers, or adresses,
i'm a bit bored at the moment
and would love to expose their dispicable acts,
I would do so without thanks or grattitude'
as a service to my fellow man,
anything to keep these disgusting women,away from corrupting
fine men,
I will always be on hand,
ready and willing,
to sacrifice myself on the alter, of this debauchery,
Twice on a sunday morning,
POE
PttP

I take my hat off to you.

The things a man will do for his fellow man!!

[the jock rock]

You really are two outstanding servants of humanity,Baron+Terminus! i was
sad inside,until you brought out this hidden memory.Many thanks! Yes these
sadistic women did practice animal sacrifice here in the Forest ofDean. They
perverted nature itself by taring creatures apart with there own hands,poor
animals -destroyed in such a fashion
I'm very lucky to have survived as i was staying at my grandparents and
going into Buckshaft woods at night all secretly to commune with these and
to be one with them.These gorgeous witches didn't look capable of killing by
fist but they surely did.I wasn't allowed to see this as i was there only to
fuck and be abused by them. You don't complain about things to them if
you have seen what they are capable of under trance .I did enjoy friendship
with them but when i tried to leave their coven, the voices began. First with
a whisper and then with a shout. "Kill and sodomize your mother and father
straight away!" they ordered."Do them! Do them now!"It was so bad i took a
razor with the intention of killing myself.

[the jock rock]

Nice one, jock!!! You are really good.

Thanks man,glad you appreciated it.
Feel better already,thanks to Baron's wise observations and those of Terminus too.
See you around merry mate.

[titurel]

Horus is another word for Satan. So is Set and also Baal, Wotan/Odin and a load of others that I can't think of right now. A lot of ancient races worshipped Satan and that is why they were so backwards and evil. The Aztecs used to do some extremely gruesome things and also the Mayans. Of course the New Age provides a very much cleansed account of ancient 'cultures' but emphasises the importance of worshipping Satan in its many guises.
Agreed! Thanks for your comments.

[seanx]

Anyone get the feeling that the great Baron, his mate terminus_est,
and that poor unfortunate man, who, in his own words, is been
continually pestered by these '12 gorgeous witches', might be the
product of just one man, involved in a heated discusssion with himself.

[terminus_est]

Anyone get the feeling that the great Baron, his mate terminus_est,
and that poor unfortunate man, who, in his own words, is been
continually pestered by these '12 gorgeous witches', might be the
product of just one man, involved in a heated discusssion with himself.

Ok now you're being ridiculous. What are you trying to accomplish in this debate/discussion by posting such slanderous BS?

[terminus_est]

You really are two outstanding servants of humanity,Baron+Terminus! i was
sad inside,until you brought out this hidden memory.Many thanks! Yes these
sadistic women did practice animal sacrifice here in the Forest ofDean. They
perverted nature itself by taring creatures apart with there own hands,poor
animals -destroyed in such a fashion
I'm very lucky to have survived as i was staying at my grandparents and
going into Buckshaft woods at night all secretly to commune with these and
to be one with them.These gorgeous witches didn't look capable of killing by
fist but they surely did.I wasn't allowed to see this as i was there only to
fuck and be abused by them. You don't complain about things to them if
you have seen what they are capable of under trance .I did enjoy friendship
with them but when i tried to leave their coven, the voices began. First with
a whisper and then with a shout. "Kill and sodomize your mother and father
straight away!" they ordered."Do them! Do them now!"It was so bad i took a
razor with the intention of killing myself.

I am flattered by you saying that about me, but thanks I guess.:)

So what were the personalities of these witches like? Did they seem like good-hearted nature-loving people at first until you partook in their activities? And how could you have enjoyed friendship with them even if inwardly you felt very wrong about being in their orgy?

[the jock rock]

Personal relations with pretty,nature loving girls in outlandish robes is ,well,
every youths dream. It was easy to get involved with them,especially,
remember, sex is all i was interested in at an early age. Twelve women is a
very powerful magic to a young turk! Even when i knew something was
evidently wrong, the bait of women ,even then,was my undoing. Those
robes offered too many glimpses of what lay beneath.My ardour was saying
there is nothing wrong-your imagining it-lucky beggar!

[baron von lotsov]

That's how it works and I probably wouldn't be far out if I said more than half the male occultists in my town got suckered in during their youth as a result of a seemingly endless supply of free tities. I know I was having numerous pretty women come up to me looking all tempting, one after the other, during the start of my stay in Glastonbury. However I was much older than a teenager and I spotted it was false and that there was a kind of deal in there. The moment I showed any distaste for the occult they would suddenly change and go all cold. Conversely, the number of males that use the occult to chat these women up. Well you get the picture.

I was first of all Mr popular and within two months I was an outcast. Something to do with milk in my fridge, lamb chops on the grill, my dislike for soya milk, my non-promiscuous behaviour, my interest in science... The list of things was almost endless and the ones higher up the hierarchy suddenly issued orders to make me and my girlfriend complete outcasts. My girlfriend was in tears and suddenly moved to the other end of the country without warning. She would not even answer my calls, she was so upset. I never got to the bottom of it but I got the picture. After that it was about 2 years of intensive research to establish what really goes on in this town. It's very well hidden.

[eternal_spirit]

I think jockrocks pulling you're pisser baron (taking the piss in English) shouldn't the last few pages of this thread be moved to the Humour section?

[baron von lotsov]

I think jockrocks pulling you're pisser baron (taking the piss in English) shouldn't the last few pages of this thread be moved to the Humour section?



No evidence, just a statement from an occultist because after all you can't face the truth can you?

What he has said accords exactly to my experiences from speaking to other people who have pulled out of this kind of thing, but of course you'd rather people go round with voices in their head instructing them to murder people.

Lie, lie, lie

[seanx]

Fair play to The jock rock.

Clever, clever writer. Nice one

[baron von lotsov]

Fair play to The jock rock.

Clever, clever writer. Nice one

Just keep saying it enough times and you might manage to fool yourself but few others, apart from complete morons.

You occultists, your time is almost up. We will keep on exposing you until everyone knows what you do and you will have no place to hide. it's already happening!

[cheeb]

We have a great expression in west Wales,
That pride comes before a fall,
Fortunately we dont like to see'
anyone on the ground,
And will be the first to pick you up,
It makes us look bad
If we dont help
Our feeble minded brethrin

POE

PttP

[the jock rock]

Every now and again, someone escapes the tentacles of Hell and comes
and tells the world the truth about what is going on under our very noses +
that is what i am trying to do with the help of Baron +Terminus and i
make no apologies for that.There is no plonker pulling from me about that
year of badness.I am just glad that on a forum of all places i have met a
wiccan expert of Baron's stature and knowledge.And in Terminus-est
i have met someone who knows about subliminal images and all of that
clever stuff which is an anathema to a country boy like what i am.Baron is
clever at saving us fallen wiccans from our own wickedness so don't
attack him in such ways as he is obviously like Lot, alone in Sodom.I for one
never would have thought someone like this would dare live in Glastonbury
so openly and fearlessly. Well done Baron.I'm tasty in the street,i doff my
hat to you , sir! I hope you find tasty as well.Such observant ones as you
inculcate wisdom on our hearts and our mids and our souls.Even my cat would
thank you.

[baron von lotsov]

We have a great expression in west Wales,
That pride comes before a fall,
Fortunately we dont like to see'
anyone on the ground,
And will be the first to pick you up,
It makes us look bad
If we dont help
Our feeble minded brethrin

POE

PttP

Lies can't carry on forever and when people find out they have been lied to they are doubly pissed off. I'm not talking about myself, there is no pride involved, I'm talking about the direction things have been moving. OK, sure I give it a push but I do it for all those people who would otherwise become victims of the occultist's selfish and wicked schemes. Even in my town a lot of people are pissed off with it. You might think it is New Age but I think the statistic stands at over 80% Christian, according to the last census. They have the backing of the system, which is the same system that is setting up the NWO.

Honestly, how can you people deal with such a contradiction?

As I said it, will topple eventually just like the USSR toppled under their regime.

[cheeb]

Baron, I love Glastonberry,
I used to go down ther every weekend and stay at the Backpackers,
I fell out with , not occultists,
But a landscape gardening crew down there,
and a one eyed girl, probably a witch,
if not a psychic vampire,
I loved it there,
but occultists aside,
If you fall out with a local family you are fucked,

POE

PttP

[the jock rock]

They can keep on knocking you down ,but, you get back up again,Baron.They're
stuck in the same old techniques of division. You keep up the good work for
those less fortunate than you.People such as me.We won't give in to cheeb's
cone of power.You and i shall keep this up until this forum is gone.Put it in their
hats and smoke it!They should listen to us .We shall go on for ever.Not giving
up on our thread ever!You ,Terminus and i are"all for one and one for all".Thats
my motto in life.The Three Keyboardteers! They can knock me on my sore
backside but i will always get back up again!!!!!!!! Know the whole truth
and the whole truth shall set you free mr Cheeb. There is no way Baron and
i will be separated on this post or any other for that matter.You occultists there,
had better stop trying.Tell it like you see it Baron and to Hell with it. I have
to get up to go to the police station to make a complaint about witches who
go about their business in the woods here and Glastonbury.I know truth if you
plop it in my lap.So should you Wiccans!

[the jock rock]

Just keep saying it enough times and you might manage to fool yourself but few others, apart from complete morons.

You occultists, your time is almost up. We will keep on exposing you until everyone knows what you do and you will have no place to hide. it's already happening!

Careful Baron, It was exposing occultists that got me into this mess in the first place!
Just injecting a bit of humour there.

[baron von lotsov]

Baron, I love Glastonberry,
I used to go down ther every weekend and stay at the Backpackers,
I fell out with , not occultists,
But a landscape gardening crew down there,
and a one eyed girl, probably a witch,
if not a psychic vampire,
I loved it there,
but occultists aside,
If you fall out with a local family you are fucked,

POE

PttP

Well actually I get on really well with quite a few locals. I'm picky about who I hang round with so it's not like the rednecks are a problem. You see the place is two extremes, the locals have lived there for generations and if you understand where they are coming from they will stick with you.

Only in the early 80s did the town start to get invaded by New Agers. They all came from London and the first place they set up was The Glastonbury Experience and it continued to grow from that. In the early days one local woman was so pissed off with hippies on her land that she got in her tractor and removed them with the greatest possible force, hippy wagons included. As you say the locals don't mess around, they are a tough bunch.

[terminus_est]

Horus is another word for Satan. So is Set and also Baal, Wotan/Odin and a load of others that I can't think of right now. A lot of ancient races worshipped Satan and that is why they were so backwards and evil. The Aztecs used to do some extremely gruesome things and also the Mayans. Of course the New Age provides a very much cleansed account of ancient 'cultures' but emphasises the importance of worshipping Satan in its many guises.

Yeah and Crowley's Book of the Law was supposedly a message from Horus and a few other Egyptian deities dictated to him by his spirit guide. I've read bits and pieces of that book and it appears Horus and those other gods sure had some pretty demonic/satanic attributes.

So Baron which ancient cultures do you assume worshipped something that was not demonic, apart from perhaps the ancient Hebrews?

[devyn]

I agree, the Bible does describe the Pagan sun god story, but in the story, the pagan sun gods are the villains of the piece. God created the sun. The sun is a material object fired by energies from God. The material world is an illusion. There are billions of suns in the universe and God made it all come about when he said, "Let there be light". God existed even before the universe. It's pagans who worship the sun. Sun worship was invented by Satan as a blind to gain more souls from God. Satanism and Paganism is all about worshipping the material creation rather than God... and no, worshipping God does not mean worshipping like in the manner we see in Christendom. That form of worshipping is based on Paganism and was devised by the elite who say they follow the sun but who really follow Satan.



1. What proof do you have that Satan invented sun worship?

2. If Satan invented sun worship, was he also responsible for the putting dinosaur fossils in the ground? :p


Jesus is not a fake symbolic story of the sun. As I wrote above, Jesus Christ is the true Morning Star, as he is described in Revelation. Satan/Lucifer is the counterfeit messiah, the Pagan Christ, AKA the Antichrist. When the elite speak of Lucifer, they are not referring to Jesus Christ but to Satan, the fallen angel who deceives even the elect by transforming himself into an angel of light.

You're summary of what Pagans believe is accurate but that kind of Paganism is only the outer portico of the Masonic Lodge. Once you go deeper into it all, you begin to realise that it's actually about fulfilling the cravings of the beings that spread the lie that nature should be worshipped. These deceptive beings devised this belief system in order to divert worship away from God, so God no longer becomes the focus, but rather the world of matter. These people who think they are so intellectually brilliant have been dazzled and mesmerised by a 1000 points of light. As a result, their minds are fractured, worshipping all the artifacts of God rather than focusing on God himself. What a cunning plan these demonic beings have devised, as they seek ever more crafty ways of syphoning off energy from mankind. Not only are they manipulating the elite but they syphon off plenty of energy from all those who support the big churches and all those who jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire of Paganism.

The true Morningstar is the planet Venus (Lucifer) not Jesus (Sun).


Because the planet Venus (Lucifer) is an inferior planet, meaning that its orbit lies between the orbit of the Earth and the Sun, it can never rise high in the sky at night as seen from Earth. It can be seen in the eastern morning sky for an hour or so before the Sun rises, and in the western evening sky for an hour or so after the Sun sets, but never during the dark of midnight.

Venus (Lucifer) is the brightest object in the sky after the Sun and the Moon. As bright and as brilliant as it is, ancient people couldn't understand why they couldn't see it at midnight like the outer planets, or during midday, like the Sun and Moon. Some believe they invented myths about Lucifer being cast out from Heaven to explain this. Lucifer was supposed to shine so bright because it wanted to take over the thrones or status of Saturn and Jupiter, both of which were considered most important by the worshippers of planetary deities at the time.

[eternal_spirit]

baron there are many Christian groups that are cults and use brainwashing techniques ( the occult ) There are many different ideas and lifestyles about how to be a true Christian, the same goes for the occult.

Christianity has many rituals same as the occult. I would say Christianity is another version of the occult. All those symbols, saints (spirits) and hidden meanings and different interpretations of the Bible(hidden meanings) it would read like a mystery school book of the occult.

[titurel]

1. What proof do you have that Satan invented sun worship?

2. If Satan invented sun worship, was he also responsible for the putting dinosaur fossils in the ground? :p
Satan is simply a Being who leads the Reptilians... every faction requires a leader. It's no coincidence that all these Pagan Christs, like Horus, were integral to civilisations that believed in political rule. The Reptilians have been devising their NWO agenda for a very long time... for many 1000's of years. Our modern civilisation began in ancient Babylon and Sumer and that's where all the models for the Pagan Christ come from. The Pagan Christs are necessary for Satan's plan in order to prepare the way for the coming Antichrist who will usher in the NWO. Why do you think the Pagan Christs, like Horus, are so important and integral to secret societies such as Freemasonry? Why do so many occultists love the Pagan Christs but yet hate Jesus Christ? These questions and facts should make anyone wonder. Reptilians are master deceivers. ;)

[titurel]

baron there are many Christian groups that are cults and use brainwashing techniques ( the occult ) There are many different ideas and lifestyles about how to be a true Christian, the same goes for the occult.

Christianity has many rituals same as the occult. I would say Christianity is another version of the occult. All those symbols, saints (spirits) and hidden meanings and different interpretations of the Bible(hidden meanings) it would read like a mystery school book of the occult.
Yes but organised religions are organised by wolves in sheep's clothing... they are fronts for Pagan worship. Why do you think there is an ancient phallic obelisk erect in St Peter's Square right before the Vatican? Christendom is nothing less that Babylon the Great, which is why, in Revelation, people are exhorted to get out of her because "her sins have amassed up to heaven". The rituals of Christendom are based on Pagan rituals and not the Bible.

[eternal_spirit]

Christianity would seem to be at contradiction with it's self. I'll explain....The Bible says don't work with the occult. Yet Jesus Was a worker of magick performing miracles.


The virgin birth where Mary is impregnated by the holy spirit (God?) Is similair to say the birth of a Moonchild the goal of many magicians and occultists. An advanced baby born from union with spirit(God or anti christ) and a human woman, born with special powers like Jesus.

It would all seem to be very metaphysical and occult like. Even down to the saints, martyrs, same game different name for previous ancient pagan deitys?

[titurel]

Christianity would seem to be at contradiction with it's self. I'll explain....The Bible says don't work with the occult. Yet Jesus was a worker of magick performing miracles.
Jesus performed miracles but Christ wasn't an ordinary human, he was the Son of God and when it came to performing what to us may seem like "miracles", he would have known exactly what he was doing, unlike humans who really don't know what they are doing when they communicate with spirits beyond the veil, etc.

The virgin birth where Mary is impregnated by the holy spirit (God?) Is similair to say the birth of a Moonchild the goal of many magicians and occultists. An advanced baby born from union with spirit(God or anti christ) and a human woman, born with special powers like Jesus. It would all seem to be very metaphysical and occult like. Even down to the saints, martyrs, same game different name for previous ancient pagan deitys?

The saints and martyrs of Christendom are not based on the Bible. Besides, IMO, there was nothing supernatural about Mary's conception if you study the texts carefully.

[eternal_spirit]

QUOTE: titurel:IMO, there was nothing supernatural about Mary's conception if you study the texts carefully.

Explain?

[titurel]

This article by O.E. Bernhardt explains that Mary's conception was immaculate in the spiritual sense of the word, rather than the physical...
The Virgin Birth

We must realise that Mary was prenatally chosen to be the earthly mother of Jesus and already brought with her all the qualities that would help her in fulfilling her role and when the time drew near for her to conceive, she experienced the Annunciation. From that moment onwards her life changed and it was only concentrated in one direction "to be allowed to experience a Divine grace."

Through the Annunciation the Light wanted to bring about this condition of her soul so as to drive back from the very outset all base instincts, and create the soil upon which a pure physical vessel (the child's body) could come into being for the Immaculate spiritual conception. Through this exceptionally strong psychic adjustment Mary's physical conception, in accordance with the Laws of Nature, became an "immaculate one." Every conception arising out of pure love and a heartfelt looking upwards to the Creator, in which the sensual instinct is only an adjunct and not the basis, is an immaculate conception in the physical sense. In reality this occurs so seldom that there was every justification for laying special stress upon it. The relegation of sensual instincts into the background was assured by the fact of the Annunciation, which for this reason was especially mentioned.

This event had the effect that whatever Mary was doing was completely out of pure love of soul because her intuitions were completely pure. Her joys after the Annunciation can be gleaned from the Bible in the Magnificat; Luke 2:46-55. The developing body in her womb therefore was conceived out of pure love of soul. This made her conception physically immaculate. With purity of thought reigning, nothing else could be the result.

If two people of opposite sex come together with the purest love of the heart for each other and with purity of thoughts on both sides then the product of their coming together or rather the process of their coming together is immaculate. Surely it cannot occur to us that the coming together of every woman and man is a sin and as such is dirty. If two people of opposite sex come together with the purest love of the heart for each other surely that cannot be a sin and everyone should consider it and judge whether this is a sin or not, otherwise every motherhood would have to be considered as sinful and every meeting between two people of opposite sex, even if these two have the purest love for each other, would also be a sin.

Mary's immaculate physical conception provided the basis for an immaculate spiritual conception. Before going further however, the concept of incarnation must be explained. Incarnation simply means the entrance of a soul into a body. The soul enters into a body meant for it and takes full possession. For those who believe in the after-life and in the existence of a soul this should not be difficult to understand.

Incarnation occurs roughly in the middle of pregnancy and this corresponds to the first movements of the developing body in the womb.In the case of the human soul, the latter stays in the vicinity of the expectant mother and at the appropriate time it enters into the developing child's body and this process gives the first shocks to the baby's body which makes it move and which the mother can feel. This movement continues from this moment onwards until the child is born.

The Incarnation of Jesus was an Immaculate Spiritual one because it was an incarnation from out of the Light, out of God, not just any incarnation.

In the case of Jesus, it was not a question of the incarnation of one of the many waiting human souls or spirit-sparks who wish or are compelled for the sake of development to live a life on earth. Here it was a process of radiation from God, given out of love to mankind erring in darkness, which was strong enough to prevent the direct connection with Primordial Light ever being broken.

Jesus therefore went through a normal process of birth. There was therefore no need to change any of the Laws. His physical growth was normal, His appearance and everything else was normal. The nature of Jesus therefore should not have been a matter for much debate. His nature did not lie in His physical body which was just a tool He needed but in His essence, His core which He had derived from God. This was what allowed Him to do all He did, though He did not look different from any other man. He had even said that He had not come to overthrow the Laws but to fulfil them which meant that He had come to adjust Himself to the existing Laws in Creation (Matthew 5:17). If the Laws of God stipulated a normal process of birth and development then He was ready to adjust Himself to that.

[baron von lotsov]

Yeah and Crowley's Book of the Law was supposedly a message from Horus and a few other Egyptian deities dictated to him by his spirit guide. I've read bits and pieces of that book and it appears Horus and those other gods sure had some pretty demonic/satanic attributes.

So Baron which ancient cultures do you assume worshipped something that was not demonic, apart from perhaps the ancient Hebrews?

My guess is that they were all into demonic stuff of one form or another. It appears the demonic stuff makes an appearance when there is a lot of death involved and most ancient cultures that I have studied tended to excel in it. You might have thought the Chinese were an advanced civilisation but look at how many slaves were killed building the 'Great' Wall of China.

[baron von lotsov]

If people want to talk about Christians then start a new thread.
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OCCULTISTS!

[edit]

yeah
ye'r mean...
the occulists..?
http://image3.x5dj.com/Picture/200606/632860759886410519.jpg

[wanderer]

If people want to talk about Christians then start a new thread.
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OCCULTISTS!

Hahahahahahah

Such irony!

made me chuckle :)

Thanks baron

[devyn]

Isn't the messiah supposed to have the blood of King David in him? If that is the case then Jesus cannot be the messiah or son of God because of the virgin birth. Joseph has the blood of David but he is not the biological father of Jesus. Mary does not possess the blood of David.

[space monkey]

"all that occult means is secret/hidden"

Only five words into the reply and a lie is produced. Can any occultist beat that?

Funny. :D

[the jock rock]

baron there are many Christian groups that are cults and use brainwashing techniques ( the occult ) There are many different ideas and lifestyles about how to be a true Christian, the same goes for the occult.

Christianity has many rituals same as the occult. I would say Christianity is another version of the occult. All those symbols, saints (spirits) and hidden meanings and different interpretations of the Bible(hidden meanings) it would read like a mystery school book of the occult.

Name one Christian group that uses brainwashing techniques!

[the jock rock]

Isn't the messiah supposed to have the blood of King David in him? If that is the case then Jesus cannot be the messiah or son of God because of the virgin birth. Joseph has the blood of David but he is not the biological father of Jesus. Mary does not possess the blood of David.

Mary and Joseph were from the Davidic Line. Parthenogenesis means Jesus was from David.

[baron von lotsov]

This woman runs the Witchcraft shop in Glastonbury.

Here is her biography.

Biography of Liz Williams
My mother's a Gothic novelist, and my father was a part-time conjuror, so I didn't have a hope. I've been a science fiction fan since the age of ten, and started writing seriously about 7 years ago. Jack Vance's Planet of Adventure series was responsible, and I'm still a huge fan of Vance. Other favourites include Ursula Le Guin, Ray Bradbury, Mary Gentle, George R R Martin, C J Cherryh, Tanith Lee and Marion Zimmer Bradley.

I now write full time, but have had various incarnations. My background is in History and Philosophy of Science: having done degrees in philosophy and artificial intelligence at the universities of Manchester and Sussex, I did a doctorate at Cambridge, graduating in 1993. I did a variety of part-time jobs, including a now-infamous stint on Brighton's pier as a tarot reader, before full time work as administrator for an education program in Kazakhstan. This was not entirely successful and resulted in a partial collapse of the then-Kazakhstani cabinet. I next worked for an educational consultancy in the region and moved out to Kazakhstan in 1996 with my partner Charles. The following years were spent in going back and forth between the region and the UK, but in 2000 the collapse of the post-Soviet economy took our business with it. I spent a year running an IT program at Brighton Women's Centre and became a full time writer in 2002.

At Christmas of 2002, Charles died from complications surrounding a brain tumor. This page is dedicated to him, and to all his love and support over the course of 15 years.

To date, I am still living in Brighton and working on my next novel.

http://www.arkady.btinternet.co.uk/biog.htm

A blog of hers

http://mevennen.livejournal.com/

Attracting naive young people into meetups

http://pagan.meetup.com/cities/gb/exeter/

her shop

http://www.witchcraftshop.co.uk/index.php?page=contact

[devyn]

Mary and Joseph were from the Davidic Line. Parthenogenesis means Jesus was from David.

http://marshallgenealogy.org/bible/matthew-luke.htm


C. What About Mary?:

From the very beginning Christians have been troubled about exactly how Mary fits into the overall genealogy of Jesus. Old Testament prophesy declared that the Messiah would be born as a descendant of King David. Matthew and Luke go to great lengths to plot Joseph's genealogy to prove that Jesus was, indeed, a descendant of David. But, the New Testament states emphatically that Mary was a virgin. How, people ask, could Jesus be a descendant of David through Joseph? That probably bothered the early Christians as much as it does Christians today.

There is not a genealogy of Mary in the Bible. In fact nothing at all is known about Mary until the angel appeared to her to announce the birth of Jesus through her. There is a gospel called the Infancy Gospel of James also known as the Protevangelium of James. This non-canonical gospel begins with an account of the birth of Mary to Joachim and Anna. However, this gospel does not give any additional information about Mary's lineage and Joachim is not mentioned in the New Testament. So, the theory that Jesus' lineage to David could have gone through Mary cannot be proved from any information available to us.

Having completed the introduction above let's now turn to the early church historian Eusebius for further enlightenment.

[titurel]

Isn't the messiah supposed to have the blood of King David in him? If that is the case then Jesus cannot be the messiah or son of God because of the virgin birth.
IMO, the birth was not virgin in the sense that you suggest (see the post above)... The NT gives the genealogy for Jesus descending from David through both his mother and father, namely Mary and Joseph. By blood, Jesus was descended from David, through his mother, Mary... whilst on the other side, Jesus' genealogy through his father, Joseph, establishes his legal right to David's throne. Luke lists the maternal genealogy of Jesus going right back to Adam.

Anyhow, as Baron has reminded us, this thread is about occultists...

[baron von lotsov]

http://marshallgenealogy.org/bible/matthew-luke.htm


C. What About Mary?:

From the very beginning Christians have been troubled about exactly how Mary fits into the overall genealogy of Jesus. Old Testament prophesy declared that the Messiah would be born as a descendant of King David. Matthew and Luke go to great lengths to plot Joseph's genealogy to prove that Jesus was, indeed, a descendant of David. But, the New Testament states emphatically that Mary was a virgin. How, people ask, could Jesus be a descendant of David through Joseph? That probably bothered the early Christians as much as it does Christians today.

There is not a genealogy of Mary in the Bible. In fact nothing at all is known about Mary until the angel appeared to her to announce the birth of Jesus through her. There is a gospel called the Infancy Gospel of James also known as the Protevangelium of James. This non-canonical gospel begins with an account of the birth of Mary to Joachim and Anna. However, this gospel does not give any additional information about Mary's lineage and Joachim is not mentioned in the New Testament. So, the theory that Jesus' lineage to David could have gone through Mary cannot be proved from any information available to us.

Having completed the introduction above let's now turn to the early church historian Eusebius for further enlightenment.

Cut the crap.

This thread is about Occultists not Christians.

[edit]

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Re:framing
A Challenge to Gene Theory, a Tougher Look at Biotech

The Zipper Effect
seen in...

ELLIE'S WORLD TODAY
(http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html)
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By DENISE CARUSO
Published: July 1, 2007


THE $73.5 billion global biotech business may soon have to grapple with a discovery that calls into question the scientific principles on which it was founded.

Last month, a consortium of scientists published findings that challenge the traditional view of how genes function. The exhaustive four-year effort was organized by the United States National Human Genome Research Institute and carried out by 35 groups from 80 organizations around the world. To their surprise, researchers found that the human genome might not be a “tidy collection of independent genes” after all, with each sequence of DNA linked to a single function, such as a predisposition to diabetes or heart disease.

Instead, genes appear to operate in a complex network, and interact and overlap with one another and with other components in ways not yet fully understood. According to the institute, these findings will challenge scientists “to rethink some long-held views about what genes are and what they do.”

Biologists have recorded these network effects for many years in other organisms. But in the world of science, discoveries often do not become part of mainstream thought until they are linked to humans.

With that link now in place, the report is likely to have repercussions far beyond the laboratory. The presumption that genes operate independently has been institutionalized since 1976, when the first biotech company was founded. In fact, it is the economic and regulatory foundation on which the entire biotechnology industry is built.

Innovation begets risk, almost by definition. When something is truly new, only so much can be predicted about how it will play out. Proponents of a discovery often see and believe only in the benefits it will deliver. But when it comes to innovations in food and medicine, belief can be dangerous. Often, new information is discovered that invalidates the principles — thus the claims of benefit and, sometimes, safety — on which proponents have built their products.

For example, antibiotics were once considered miracle drugs that, for the first time in history, greatly reduced the probability that people would die from common bacterial infections. But doctors did not yet know that the genetic material responsible for conferring antibiotic resistance moves easily between different species of bacteria. Overprescribing antibiotics for virtually every ailment has given rise to “superbugs” that are now virtually unkillable.

The principle that gave rise to the biotech industry promised benefits that were equally compelling. Known as the Central Dogma of molecular biology, it stated that each gene in living organisms, from humans to bacteria, carries the information needed to construct one protein.

Proteins are the cogs and the motors that drive the function of cells and, ultimately, organisms. In the 1960s, scientists discovered that a gene that produces one type of protein in one organism would produce a remarkably similar protein in another. The similarity between the insulin produced by humans and by pigs is what once made pig insulin a life-saving treatment for diabetics.

The scientists who invented recombinant DNA in 1973 built their innovation on this mechanistic, “one gene, one protein” principle.

Because donor genes could be associated with specific functions, with discrete properties and clear boundaries, scientists then believed that a gene from any organism could fit neatly and predictably into a larger design — one that products and companies could be built around, and that could be protected by intellectual-property laws.

This presumption, now disputed, is what one molecular biologist calls “the industrial gene.”

“The industrial gene is one that can be defined, owned, tracked, proven acceptably safe, proven to have uniform effect, sold and recalled,” said Jack Heinemann, a professor of molecular biology in the School of Biological Sciences at the University of Canterbury in New Zealand and director of its Center for Integrated Research in Biosafety.

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In the United States, the Patent and Trademark Office allows genes to be patented on the basis of this uniform effect or function. In fact, it defines a gene in these terms, as an ordered sequence of DNA “that encodes a specific functional product.”

In 2005, a study showed that more than 4,000 human genes had already been patented in the United States alone. And this is but a small fraction of the total number of patented plant, animal and microbial genes.

In the context of the consortium’s findings, this definition now raises some fundamental questions about the defensibility of those patents.

If genes are only one component of how a genome functions, for example, will infringement claims be subject to dispute when another crucial component of the network is claimed by someone else? Might owners of gene patents also find themselves liable for unintended collateral damage caused by the network effects of the genes they own?

And, just as important, will these not-yet-understood components of gene function tarnish the appeal of the market for biotech investors, who prefer their intellectual property claims to be unambiguous and indisputable?

While no one has yet challenged the legal basis for gene patents, the biotech industry itself has long since acknowledged the science behind the question.

“The genome is enormously complex, and the only thing we can say about it with certainty is how much more we have left to learn,” wrote Barbara A. Caulfield, executive vice president and general counsel at the biotech pioneer Affymetrix, in a 2002 article on Law.com called “Why We Hate Gene Patents.”

“We’re learning that many diseases are caused not by the action of single genes, but by the interplay among multiple genes,” Ms. Caulfield said. She noted that just before she wrote her article, “scientists announced that they had decoded the genetic structures of one of the most virulent forms of malaria and that it may involve interactions among as many as 500 genes.”

Even more important than patent laws are safety issues raised by the consortium’s findings. Evidence of a networked genome shatters the scientific basis for virtually every official risk assessment of today’s commercial biotech products, from genetically engineered crops to pharmaceuticals.

“The real worry for us has always been that the commercial agenda for biotech may be premature, based on what we have long known was an incomplete understanding of genetics,” said Professor Heinemann, who writes and teaches extensively on biosafety issues.

“Because gene patents and the genetic engineering process itself are both defined in terms of genes acting independently,” he said, “regulators may be unaware of the potential impacts arising from these network effects.”

Yet to date, every attempt to challenge safety claims for biotech products has been categorically dismissed, or derided as unscientific. A 2004 round table on the safety of biotech food, sponsored by the Pew Initiative on Food and Biotechnology, provided a typical example:

“Both theory and experience confirm the extraordinary predictability and safety of gene-splicing technology and its products,” said Dr. Henry I. Miller, a fellow at the Hoover Institution who represented the pro-biotech position. Dr. Miller was the founding director of the Office of Biotechnology at the Food and Drug Administration, and presided over the approval of the first biotech food in 1992.

Now that the consortium’s findings have cast the validity of that theory into question, it may be time for the biotech industry to re-examine the more subtle effects of its products, and to share what it knows about them with regulators and other scientists.

This is not the first time it has been asked to do so. A 2004 editorial in the journal Nature Genetics beseeched academic and corporate researchers to start releasing their proprietary data to reviewers, so it might receive the kind of scrutiny required of credible science.

ACCORDING to Professor Heinemann, many biotech companies already conduct detailed genetic studies of their products that profile the expression of proteins and other elements. But they are not required to report most of this data to regulators, so they do not. Thus vast stores of important research information sit idle.

“Something that is front and center in the biosafety community in New Zealand now is whether companies should be required to submit their gene-profiling data for hazard identification,” Professor Heinemann said. With no such reporting requirements, companies and regulators alike will continue to “blind themselves to network effects,” he said.

The Nature Genetics editorial, titled “Good Citizenship, or Good Business?,” presented its argument as a choice for the industry to make. Given the significance of these new findings, it is a distinction without a difference.

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Denise Caruso is executive director of the Hybrid Vigor Institute, which studies collaborative problem-solving. E-mail: dcaruso@nytimes.com.
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Making Sense of Emptiness

[baron von lotsov]

Fuck off Edit and stop spamming this thread.

[the jock rock]

This woman runs the Witchcraft shop in Glastonbury.

Here is her biography.

Biography of Liz Williams
My mother's a Gothic novelist, and my father was a part-time conjuror, so I didn't have a hope. I've been a science fiction fan since the age of ten, and started writing seriously about 7 years ago. Jack Vance's Planet of Adventure series was responsible, and I'm still a huge fan of Vance. Other favourites include Ursula Le Guin, Ray Bradbury, Mary Gentle, George R R Martin, C J Cherryh, Tanith Lee and Marion Zimmer Bradley.

I now write full time, but have had various incarnations. My background is in History and Philosophy of Science: having done degrees in philosophy and artificial intelligence at the universities of Manchester and Sussex, I did a doctorate at Cambridge, graduating in 1993. I did a variety of part-time jobs, including a now-infamous stint on Brighton's pier as a tarot reader, before full time work as administrator for an education program in Kazakhstan. This was not entirely successful and resulted in a partial collapse of the then-Kazakhstani cabinet. I next worked for an educational consultancy in the region and moved out to Kazakhstan in 1996 with my partner Charles. The following years were spent in going back and forth between the region and the UK, but in 2000 the collapse of the post-Soviet economy took our business with it. I spent a year running an IT program at Brighton Women's Centre and became a full time writer in 2002.

At Christmas of 2002, Charles died from complications surrounding a brain tumor. This page is dedicated to him, and to all his love and support over the course of 15 years.

To date, I am still living in Brighton and working on my next novel.

http://www.arkady.btinternet.co.uk/biog.htm

A blog of hers

http://mevennen.livejournal.com/

Attracting naive young people into meetups

http://pagan.meetup.com/cities/gb/exeter/

her shop

http://www.witchcraftshop.co.uk/index.php?page=contact

Man! She looks possessed and scary as fuck! I don't scare easy but i wouldn't cross that mother if i was you.

[baron von lotsov]

Another one working for the system for you lot.

Quote

William Bloom is one of the UK’s most experienced teachers, healers and authors in the field of holistic development. His work has helped thousands of people.

His mainstream career includes a doctorate in psychology from the LSE where he lectured in Psychological Problems in International Politics, ten years working with adults and adolescents with special needs, and delivering hundreds of trainings, many in the NHS.

http://www.williambloom.com/


He ran a course called 'facilitating death' which is part of the euthanasia Illumi business and co hosted a conference with Illuminist David Spangler, a confirmed Luciferian.

Now take a look at his site and you can see how they hide.

[eternal_spirit]

Im off for a look, may report back later. I have a feeling with what you've allready said he's a dodgy character to say the least. It's a perfect cover he claims to heal which is the offical line most people will fall for.

[baron von lotsov]

I sabotaged one of his conferences by handing out 'information' leaflets at the door. They could not do a thing because I was standing on public property but it looked like I was official from the point of view of conference attendees. It was sort of like "oh please can I have one of those leaflets as well". They then walked through the door so any adverse reactions were not noticed by the rest of the queue. I mean I had them kippered and a couple of dodgy looking guys were trying to talk me out of it. I said I know who you are... and later I heard one panic to the other "It's no use. He knows we are members" I don't know what members they were talking about but it looked very dodgy. David Spangler had an office at 777 United Nations Plaza, New York.

[eternal_spirit]

Brave man baron. Seems the basic theme of this writer, holistic teacher, is to create endorphins through meditation. But you have to buy his books or go on a course to get the methods used. Nothing new there then, lot's of these teachers out there. full of promises but when anyone trys to apply these teachings they'll find they won't get the results the teacher claims they will. I think he may be a con man in it for the money.

Can you expand on what else his agenda is baron. Promoting dodgy spirituality? a gateway towards mind control etc?

[baron von lotsov]

OK well another thing was that he went to Cambridge University and his doctorate was in neuro-psychology. Endorphins are probably being used as a positive stimulus to operant conditioning of some sort.

You see the really high up ones don't overly flout it, the dress down and blend in as another nice friendly hippys and that sort of thing. More and more these days I'm starting to see a lot of elite are originating from universities and have a lot of qualifications. Notice that witch who runs the shop is also someone from academia with a doctorate. Artificial intelligence and philosophy apparently.

[baron von lotsov]

Any one else got any case studies of occultists? Since you lot are supposed to be so awake I'd expect a few of you to have rooted a few of them out from your local community. Is that correct or do you just repeat other stuff you have read of the Internet?


Naturally for the NWO to succeed these worms must stay hidden.

[december]

Any one else got any case studies of occultists? Since you lot are supposed to be so awake I'd expect a few of you to have rooted a few of them out from your local community. Is that correct or do you just repeat other stuff you have read of the Internet?


Naturally for the NWO to succeed these worms must stay hidden.

If people will root them out from their local communities, as you suggested, then Europe will spend another 2000 + years in the DARK.

[eternal_spirit]

Any one else got any case studies of occultists? Since you lot are supposed to be so awake I'd expect a few of you to have rooted a few of them out from your local community. Is that correct or do you just repeat other stuff you have read of the Internet?


Naturally for the NWO to succeed these worms must stay hidden.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1867 6th post down baron

I have had another experience I may share soon, but it will take me a while to figure out how to word it.

Thing is it's meant to be a hidden agenda, where not meant to know about the really weird stuff they get up to behind closed doors.

What does surprise me though is that no one on here seems willing to share any stories about their experiences with occult groups. Ones they might have been involved with in the past and they no longer have contact with, maybe because they seen something, sensed something or heard of something strange or sinister about a group they were involved with, and that's why they left it.

[eternal_spirit]

Do you know about this lot baron? They have been described as a cult I have had experience of them.

The Jesus Army is the outreach ministry of the Jesus Fellowship Church, an Evangelicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Christian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia movement based in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom.
In the past, local Northamptonshire newspapers and the late Archdeacon of Northampton, Bazil Marsh, among others ([2] (http://www.jesusarmywatch.org.uk/scrapbook/sm/002.htm)) have accused the group of being a Sect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ([3] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army6.html)) or Cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ([4] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army1.html)) but members of the group have denied this ([5] (http://www.jesus.org.uk/ja/ja_cult.shtml), [6] (http://www.jesusarmywatch.org.uk/scrapbook/ce/036.htm)). They state that the Jesus Fellowship is a member of the Evangelical Alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ([7] (http://www.eauk.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ChurchSearchMoreDetails&ChurchID=414.0)) and is linked to other churches and groups in the UK and elsewhere through the Multiply Christian Network ([ (http://www.multiply.org.uk/multiply/yourarea_uk.shtml)

According to newspaper articles from the 1980s, members of the Jesus Army communal houses were encouraged to withdraw from the world and cut off their ties with outsiders[9] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army15.html)[10] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army26.html), except for the purpose of proselytising. It was also stated that it was a policy of the group that community members must gain the permission of the group's "elders" before they got married[11] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army35.html). As Professor Jeffrey K Hadden commented: "The Jesus Fellowship did not escape the muckraking of the tabloids." [12] (http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/army.html#controvers)
One of these houses was featured more recently in a Channel 4 television documentary, "Battlecentre", in 2001 (Production summary (http://www.diverse.tv/programme.aspx?id=20), Guardian Unlimited Reader Reviews (http://film.guardian.co.uk/Reader_Review/0,,-90304,00.html), BBC interview with producer (http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/realmedia/sunday/s20011216f.ram)).

[baron von lotsov]

Yes very interesting.

However I don't think the Hell's Angels are actually Satanists, as I would define a Satanist. I think they are in some ways connected to the system for certain but I have never seen them actually do any serious rituals. They just have skulls on their bikes and that sort of thing because they think it is fashionable amongst their people. I have known one or two Hell's Angels and I have known women to go out with them who were friends of mine. Despite their appearance you would probably find a lot of them ok people. Their main interest is in bikes and doing runs over to various country pubs and drinking huge amounts of alcohol. Some are a bit nutty but they are usually quite friendly and believe it or not they are quite moral and would not attack some innocent person with a knife. If this happened in a proper chapter they would get kicked out. I know some do things like robberies but they would target system institutions and not burgle someone's house. This is what they believe; they are anti-system so if you have anti-system credentials you would get on fine with them.

OK having said that there are a few odd things about them. For example they do this thing called the Bulldog Bash and the police actually have to ask their permission to enter it. I suppose it's because they are stronger than the police but there are a few clues that the system has a kind of affinity to their lifestyle, judging on what Hollywood does. Anyway the main point is they are not occultists, they would see any of that sort of thing as the thing of middle class pussies who they generally take a grave dislike to. Anyone who drives a Ford Mondeo is not going to get very far with them. So maybe what you saw was someone else. As I said there are a few nutters that tag along sometimes.

[baron von lotsov]

Do you know about this lot baron? They have been described as a cult I have had experience of them.

The Jesus Army is the outreach ministry of the Jesus Fellowship Church, an evangelical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism) Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) movement based in the United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom).
In the past, local Northamptonshire newspapers and the late Archdeacon of Northampton, Bazil Marsh, among others ([2] (http://www.jesusarmywatch.org.uk/scrapbook/sm/002.htm)) have accused the group of being a sect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sect) ([3] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army6.html)) or religious cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult) ([4] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army1.html)) but members of the group have denied this ([5] (http://www.jesus.org.uk/ja/ja_cult.shtml), [6] (http://www.jesusarmywatch.org.uk/scrapbook/ce/036.htm)). They state that the Jesus Fellowship is a member of the Evangelical Alliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Alliance) ([7] (http://www.eauk.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ChurchSearchMoreDetails&ChurchID=414.0)) and is linked to other churches and groups in the UK and elsewhere through the Multiply Christian Network ([ (http://www.multiply.org.uk/multiply/yourarea_uk.shtml)

According to newspaper articles from the 1980s, members of the Jesus Army communal houses were encouraged to withdraw from the world and cut off their ties with outsiders[9] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army15.html)[10] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army26.html), except for the purpose of proselytising. It was also stated that it was a policy of the group that community members must gain the permission of the group's "elders" before they got married[11] (http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army35.html). As Professor Jeffrey K Hadden commented: "The Jesus Fellowship did not escape the muckraking of the tabloids." [12] (http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/army.html#controvers)
One of these houses was featured more recently in a Channel 4 television documentary, "Battlecentre", in 2001 (Production summary (http://www.diverse.tv/programme.aspx?id=20), Guardian Unlimited Reader Reviews (http://film.guardian.co.uk/Reader_Review/0,,-90304,00.html), BBC interview with producer (http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/realmedia/sunday/s20011216f.ram)).

Yes there are some evangelical Christian cults. If they cut themselves off from normal people then this is quite a tell-tail sign because a Christian believes in the opposite of that. They believe in helping people in their surroundings as a way to get closer to God rather than being inwardly focused, as in things like yoga.

The point is you can construct a cult out of any belief material what so ever and this even extends to things like UFOs. The Illuminati like to change the material around once in a while as the cover gets exposed, but using Christianity is like killing two birds with one stone. They destroy their enemy's reputation while running a cult and corrupting the Bible. Satanists love to corrupt the Bible and it's teachings, indeed their belief is that it is necessary to do this.

[eternal_spirit]

So you don't think it's weird that a man who looked like jesus was naked with a wooden crucifix on his back with 3 black dildos attached to it inside a circle of people at night? baron

[seanx]

More crap from the baron

William Bloom is one of the UK’s most experienced teachers, healers and authors in the field of holistic development. His work has helped thousands of people.

I sabotaged one of his conferences by handing out 'information' leaflets at the door. They could not do a thing because I was standing on public property but it looked like I was official from the point of view of conference attendees. It was sort of like "oh please can I have one of those leaflets as well". They then walked through the door so any adverse reactions were not noticed by the rest of the queue. I mean I had them kippered and a couple of dodgy looking guys were trying to talk me out of it. I said I know who you are... and later I heard one panic to the other "It's no use. He knows we are members" I don't know what members they were talking about but it looked very dodgy. David Spangler had an office at 777 United Nations Plaza, New York.

He ran a course called 'facilitating death' which is part of the euthanasia Illumi business and co hosted a conference with Illuminist David Spangler, a confirmed Luciferian.

Now take a look at his site and you can see how they hide.

I personally know this man.

A more decent, open-minded writer and person you
could ever meet.

What a load of utter crap to say he is part of the illumini nonsense.

It's just pitiful.

What the baron really means is that if SOMEBODY DOES NOT
FOLLOW HIS RIGID CHRISTIAN DOGMA - THEN THEY
MUST be evil - and part of the illuminati.

it's simple, perverted logic.

And the greatest irony of all !!- the baron is one of those rigid Christian believer - the group which is the VERY cornerstone and foundation
of the illuminati!

Do us all a favour, my friend - try to get a life for yourself - and
scurry back to your brain-controlled religious sites.

Your'e spending a lot of time here-- your programming may be
faltering..you might need some more new implants.

When they are inserted, please come back......it's a great fun
to see a really closed mind up-front.

[baron von lotsov]

So you don't think it's weird that a man who looked like jesus was naked with a wooden crucifix on his back with 3 black dildos attached to it inside a circle of people at night? baron


Yes of course but I was just explaining what Hell's Angels are like. I knew a lot of them a long while back since they ran this club in Manchester. Never did I ever get the slightest bit of trouble from any of them. I can't say that for most idiots in clubs but that is what my experiance has been.

[eternal_spirit]

Yes very interesting.

However I don't think the Hell's Angels are actually Satanists, as I would define a Satanist. I think they are in some ways connected to the system for certain but I have never seen them actually do any serious rituals. They just have skulls on their bikes and that sort of thing because they think it is fashionable amongst their people. I have known one or two Hell's Angels and I have known women to go out with them who were friends of mine. Despite their appearance you would probably find a lot of them ok people. Their main interest is in bikes and doing runs over to various country pubs and drinking huge amounts of alcohol. Some are a bit nutty but they are usually quite friendly and believe it or not they are quite moral and would not attack some innocent person with a knife. If this happened in a proper chapter they would get kicked out. I know some do things like robberies but they would target system institutions and not burgle someone's house. This is what they believe; they are anti-system so if you have anti-system credentials you would get on fine with them.

OK having said that there are a few odd things about them. For example they do this thing called the Bulldog Bash and the police actually have to ask their permission to enter it. I suppose it's because they are stronger than the police but there are a few clues that the system has a kind of affinity to their lifestyle, judging on what Hollywood does. Anyway the main point is they are not occultists, they would see any of that sort of thing as the thing of middle class pussies who they generally take a grave dislike to. Anyone who drives a Ford Mondeo is not going to get very far with them. So maybe what you saw was someone else. As I said there are a few nutters that tag along sometimes.


I'm not saying all hells angels are satanists, there are different groups Charles Manson was allegedley part of a goup that worshiped a trinity of jehova, lucifer and Thor or something like that. Which was involved with the process church which was like an occult group. The Angels would fight amongst rival gangs, that was usally drug related but maybe a kind of tribal territorial thing too.
I know people who have been to the Bulldog Bash, it's basically just a Bike festival and a good old piss up nothing sinister as far as I'm aware.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes, I think we are basically in agreement here. America is much less civilised anyway so there is bound to be some dodgy violent stuff going on.

The main thing though is that a proper Satanist would more than likely wear a suit and be in a totally respectable position, sometimes even head of a church. They are the masters of disguise, so going round on bikes calling themselves Hell's Angels is the last thing they would do. One way to spot a Satanist is by their wealth. They do black magic to acquire huge amounts of wealth. It's serious stuff and another thing is they are usually highly intelligent. I mean with IQs of at least 150, because again they have occult powers that you would not really want to mess with.

A lot of churches bombed during the Second World War in Germany revealed underground Satanic alters right underneath the church itself. Actually I'm convinced Glastonbury has some serious Satanists around, but I have never seen them do any of their serious rituals, that kind of thing is extremely well hidden.

Now Glastonbury actually has a network of tunnels, one even runs all the way to Street (approx 2 miles) to the Clarks mansion (as in Clarks shoes). I'd hazard a guess that it is actually underground where the real black magic occurs. Indeed a friend of mine lived in this house that backed onto the old abbey and this abbey does have tunnels under it. One night at about 2 o/c in the morning he heard this sound of an electric drill directly under his house. None of these tunnels though are officially accessible and have all been blocked off.

[devyn]

Hey Baron, do you know about the different types of Satanists?

[baron von lotsov]

Hey Baron, do you know about the different types of Satanists?

What do you mean?

As far as I'm aware there are probably only two categories. The ones that think it is some kind of fashion like teenage Goths and the other type who worship Satan as a god. The later is the one we are dealing with here although the other type can lead someone to a real Satanist group, as is the purpose.

[december]

What do you mean?

As far as I'm aware there are probably only two categories. The ones that think it is some kind of fashion like teenage Goths and the other type who worship Satan as a god. The later is the one we are dealing with here although the other type can lead someone to a real Satanist group, as is the purpose.

Satan does even exist. It's nothing but a Christian invention.

[baron von lotsov]

Satan does even exist. It's nothing but a Christian invention.



Yes I agree Satan exists but it was not a Christian invention. People worshipped Satan long before that, for example the ancient Egyptians, the northern Europeans of many thousands of years ago did as well, and there is archaeological evidence to prove it even though it was not actually written down anywhere much at the time.

[december]

Yes I agree Satan exists but it was not a Christian invention.

Actually I ment to say this - Satan does NOT even exist.

:)

[devyn]

Well, LeVayan satanists actually don't worship satan. They basically view themselves as gods. Take a look at this link:

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, we are the first above-ground organization in history openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos which is permeated and motivated by the Dark Force which we call Satan. Over the course of time, Man has called this Force by many names, and it has been reviled by those whose very nature causes them to be separate from this fountainhead of existence. They live in obsessive envy of we who exist by flowing naturally with the dread Prince of Darkness. It is for this reason that individuals who resonate with Satan have always been an alien elite, often outsiders in cultures whose masses pursue solace in an external deity. We Satanists are our own Gods, and we are the explorers of the Left-Hand Path. We do not bow down before the myths and fictions of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right-Hand Path.

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[eternal_spirit]

Yes I agree Satan exists but it was not a Christian invention. People worshipped Satan long before that, for example the ancient Egyptians, the northern Europeans of many thousands of years ago did as well, and there is archaeological evidence to prove it even though it was not actually written down anywhere much at the time.

Agreed!


Temple of Set
The Temple of Set emerged during the period of internal discord (http://www.answers.com/topic/discord) that almost destroyed the Church of Satan (http://www.answers.com/topic/church-of-satan) in the early 1970s. In 1972, Michael Aquino, an officer in the U.S. Army and a priest in the church, critiqued the authoritarian (http://www.answers.com/topic/authoritarian) leadership of church founder Anton LaVey (http://www.answers.com/topic/anton-lavey) as well as his understanding of Satanism. Claiming LaVey to be an atheist (http://www.answers.com/topic/atheist) who did not believe in the literal existence of Satan, Aquino left the church. Three years later, in response to Aquino's invocation (http://www.answers.com/topic/invocation), Satan appeared under the guise (http://www.answers.com/topic/guise) of Set, the ancient Egyptian deity. Set gave Aquino a mandate in the form of a book, The Book of Coming Forth by Night, which authorized Aquino to found the Temple of Set as the Church of Satan's successor. The temple is dedicated to Set, the corrupted legends of whom became the basis of the Christian devil.
The temple teaches that the universe is a nonconscious environment possessed of mechanical consequences. However, the deity Set can on occasion violate the laws. Over the millennia, Set has altered the genetic makeup of human beings in order to produce an enhanced nonnatural intelligence. The temple works to identify and develop this enhanced ability in selected individuals. It is governed by a Council of Nine, which appoints the high priest of Set. Members are organized into six initiatory degrees: Setian, Adept, Priest(ess) of Set, Master of the Temple, Magus, and (Ipsissimis.<< Isn't this the name given to degree of masonry?)

[baron von lotsov]

Well, LeVayan satanists actually don't worship satan. They basically view themselves as gods. Take a look at this link:

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, we are the first above-ground organization in history openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos which is permeated and motivated by the Dark Force which we call Satan. Over the course of time, Man has called this Force by many names, and it has been reviled by those whose very nature causes them to be separate from this fountainhead of existence. They live in obsessive envy of we who exist by flowing naturally with the dread Prince of Darkness. It is for this reason that individuals who resonate with Satan have always been an alien elite, often outsiders in cultures whose masses pursue solace in an external deity. We Satanists are our own Gods, and we are the explorers of the Left-Hand Path. We do not bow down before the myths and fictions of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right-Hand Path.

Oh right, I see what you are getting at there. My opinion on La Vay is that he is a system front in order to make people believe what the elite want people to think it is. A kind of red herring I suppose.

[baron von lotsov]

Agreed!


Temple of Set
The Temple of Set emerged during the period of internal discord (http://www.answers.com/topic/discord) that almost destroyed the Church of Satan (http://www.answers.com/topic/church-of-satan) in the early 1970s. In 1972, Michael Aquino, an officer in the U.S. Army and a priest in the church, critiqued the authoritarian (http://www.answers.com/topic/authoritarian) leadership of church founder Anton LaVey (http://www.answers.com/topic/anton-lavey) as well as his understanding of Satanism. Claiming LaVey to be an atheist (http://www.answers.com/topic/atheist) who did not believe in the literal existence of Satan, Aquino left the church. Three years later, in response to Aquino's invocation (http://www.answers.com/topic/invocation), Satan appeared under the guise (http://www.answers.com/topic/guise) of Set, the ancient Egyptian deity. Set gave Aquino a mandate in the form of a book, The Book of Coming Forth by Night, which authorized Aquino to found the Temple of Set as the Church of Satan's successor. The temple is dedicated to Set, the corrupted legends of whom became the basis of the Christian devil.
The temple teaches that the universe is a nonconscious environment possessed of mechanical consequences. However, the deity Set can on occasion violate the laws. Over the millennia, Set has altered the genetic makeup of human beings in order to produce an enhanced nonnatural intelligence. The temple works to identify and develop this enhanced ability in selected individuals. It is governed by a Council of Nine, which appoints the high priest of Set. Members are organized into six initiatory degrees: Setian, Adept, Priest(ess) of Set, Master of the Temple, Magus, and (Ipsissimis.<< Isn't this the name given to degree of masonry?)

Yes that is the real version. As I understand it The Temple of Set is extremely powerful and high up in the pecking order. I knew someone working for the Illuminati locally and I think that's what he was into. Although I have no direct proof there was plenty of circumstantial evidence, such as running a shop selling Egyptian artefacts right next door to the British Museum. The top elite are very well into the Egyptian occult. Set is the same thing as Satan.

[baron von lotsov]

Hello

This thread is back again.

Come on guys, you must know something about these Satanists. Do you get them in your town? What have you personally seen as a result of your relentless opposition to the Illuminati and it's NWO.

[kooo]

Any one else got any case studies of occultists? Since you lot are supposed to be so awake I'd expect a few of you to have rooted a few of them out from your local community. Is that correct or do you just repeat other stuff you have read of the Internet?

Naturally for the NWO to succeed these worms must stay hidden.

Right, this may not come under the occult so apologise for going off topic but it does confirm your experiences with Glastonbury womens studies.

I met this lesbian psychotherapist through a friend 2/3 months ago. She was telling me all about the New Age courses she goes on, one in particular she was about to attend was in Glastonbury. I was going to phone you to tell you all about it but never got round to it. Anyway, she paid over £400 for a 3/4 day course on womens spirituality, except there was nothing spiritual about it, this course was all about ladies private parts and how every woman fits into a category of 8 different animals, each animal represents a womans you know what, she was a fox. She offered to tell me which animal I was but I declined. She was about to book another similar course in Arizona that was going to cost over £1500.

I was quite amazed that a supposedly intelligent woman could allow herself to be ripped off like this, I never aired my views just sat back and listened carefully. She was very predatory in trying to seduce every woman around her including myself so I suppose spending over £400 to look at other womens bits was too good an offer to refuse. She told me she went to an east coast American university and told me it was demeaning for a woman to clean. Textbook or what! She didn't like churches either.

Regarding Hells Angels, I once knew someone who was married to one, they were a great bunch of people, family orientated, patriotic and not at all politically correct. Kept themselves to themselves and never troubled anyone.

[eternal_spirit]

I used to drink in a few different pubs basically bikers some where angels never had any problems some great local musicians mostly rock. I used to feel a lot more comfortable there the vibes were better than any of the so called mainstream pubs.

[eternal_spirit]

My Village.....There are many underground tunnels, partly due to coal mining and caves dug into for stone for building. Anyway these tunnels are said to link up to the two churches and the oldest building which dates back to the Norman invasion about 1070( black nobility bloodlines) story is the catholic priests would hide in these tunnels from the Kings soldiers(1700's maybe) Some soldiers were said to have gotten lost in these tunnels and turned to cannabilism to survive bones were found to prove this.( read between the lines here)

Also.....An elderly man put this other article in a local newspaper..When he was a kid him and his friends where exploring the tunnels they came across what appeared to be some sort of ritual, men dressed in robes chanting and some kind of altar, they said they had to get out either they had an oil lamp or limited life left in candles, plus the shock of what they had seen and fear of being noticed.

We used to go exploring these tunnels, alot had been blocked off then, but what a scary vibe at times. Most of these caves and tunnels are now blocked off. The old building is now a nursing home She and others would describe strange presences, the emergency buzzers that the elderly would press for attention would go off on there own. doors would close and lock on there own and when they were able to open the doors and enter the room, tables and chairs would be stacked up on top of one another, no way anyone could get out through a window on the third floor or leave the room there being only one door.

I have no idea if anything goes on in these tunnels these days.

[baron von lotsov]

Right, this may not come under the occult so apologise for going off topic but it does confirm your experiences with Glastonbury womens studies.

I met this lesbian psychotherapist through a friend 2/3 months ago. She was telling me all about the New Age courses she goes on, one in particular she was about to attend was in Glastonbury. I was going to phone you to tell you all about it but never got round to it. Anyway, she paid over £400 for a 3/4 day course on womens spirituality, except there was nothing spiritual about it, this course was all about ladies private parts and how every woman fits into a category of 8 different animals, each animal represents a womans you know what, she was a fox. She offered to tell me which animal I was but I declined. She was about to book another similar course in Arizona that was going to cost over £1500.

I was quite amazed that a supposedly intelligent woman could allow herself to be ripped off like this, I never aired my views just sat back and listened carefully. She was very predatory in trying to seduce every woman around her including myself so I suppose spending over £400 to look at other womens bits was too good an offer to refuse. She told me she went to an east coast American university and told me it was demeaning for a woman to clean. Textbook or what! She didn't like churches either.

Regarding Hells Angels, I once knew someone who was married to one, they were a great bunch of people, family orientated, patriotic and not at all politically correct. Kept themselves to themselves and never troubled anyone.

Cheers for that account Koo. That is absolutely typical of what goes on here. This is like a town sized Tavistock Clinic and it is being set up by the elite in front of my eyes. Today for example I saw a 'service' offered to women to help them stop wanting to get back with and phone their man. You know, something along the lines of a psychotherapist that 'helps' people to give up smoking. Maybe I should get a camera and get some pics of these things because people who live in semi-normal places might have difficulty believing it or think I'm exaggerating.

As for being 'intelligent', well I suspect even that is faked. You can get far more intelligence from your average bricky down a pub than with someone like that. However we do know in order to get a good job one must have the required training and that training does not stop with being taught how to do the job, unless one considers what doing a job entails these days, namely social change.