Asked for my name by police; I refused

[drhemp]

A couple nights ago I was walking home from the pub when a police car pulled up to me and asked me where I'd been and where I was going. I told them I was not required to give them that information and said it was none of their business.

They then stopped the car and stopped me in the street, again they asked me my name, to which I replied "Am I obliged to give you that information?" They said I was, to which I informed them that "I know the law better than you, and I know I'm not obliged to give you that information, so I'm not going to"

I don't know how many times they asked me, but each time they got the same answer, one of the coppers kept on grabbing on to my coat and each time he did so I made a circle figure with my arm to get free myself, which really annoyed him; this required almost no effort on my part and he would have had to use a hell of a lot of force if he wanted to grip me.

I still refused to tell him my name and asked him to stop grabbing my coat. I told him as a freeman of the land I was not obliged to give them this information and told them to leave me alone. They said someone had been knocking on doors (which I don't believe), so I told them this wasn't me, and unless I was a suspect in this investigation, I would carry on my lawful business of going home. I did let it slip that I'd been to the Castle pub and eventually they gave up asking my name and drove off.

Funnily enough, I went to the Castle pub the following night and the landlord asked me if I had a run in with the police? Apparently the copper went round to the pub afterward and was in a "right foul mood". The landlord's son was there, who is a PCSO in Torquay, and he told him about our little encounter, and for some reason, they guessed it must have been me. They said I'd really wound him up, which of course made my night.

I've nothing against the police, they are generally there for protection, and it is our evil Government that makes the laws they have to police, but as a point of principle, I'm not going to give them my name when I'm merely walking home and have done nothing wrong. This is the first steps towards a police state, and the kind of thing my grandparents thought against in WW2.

I urge everyone to never tell the police your name if you are stopped in the street, you have no legal obligation to give this information, and if you do refuse they eventually they will leave you alone without supplying a name. If everyone does this, then they'll stop asking people, as they'll get bored.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Good to hear this.

I had too had a run in with the police in my car ( I wrote up the details about it in this very forum). I also refused to give them anything further than what they are allowed do/ask by swedish law.

For some reason they always ask me where I work and what I do and I reply "none of your business".

I make the experience as unpleasant as I can for them. Not because I have anything to hide...but to make a point that people with nothing to hide don't necessary have to be chatty and do as they are fucking told!

Nice one again, made my night :D

[steevo]

DrHemp, are you "officially" a "freeman of the land" or can ANYONE use that line ?

[godspeed]

well done drhemp....thats the street spirit....and freeman philosophy....:D

[somethinganonymous]

DrHemp, are you "officially" a "freeman of the land" or can ANYONE use that line ?

what do you think?;)

[steevo]

what do you think?;)

Probably ANYONE can call themselves "freeman of the land". But the fact that we are aware of it sends out a message to the police.

[drhemp]

DrHemp, are you "officially" a "freeman of the land" or can ANYONE use that line ?

No idea. Said it anyway.

[gremlin]

good to hear it, power to the people;)

[somethinganonymous]

Probably ANYONE can call themselves "freeman of the land". But the fact that we are aware of it sends out a message to the police.

yes, it sends out a message to the police, which, if the know the law, promptly tells them to bugger off, or they may be liable to pay you, as in, you take their CASH... ;) No wonder the police in the OPs story was mad when he visited the pub. No piggies like to have their illusion of power and authority busted by a hemp-loving hippie:) (no, offence OP, I do not know whether you are a hemp-lover or a hippie, I just speak from my own experience:) )

[mynameis]

Your name should be Dr. Fabulous that was an excellent read.

[yozhik]

I've nothing against the police, they are generally there for protection, and it is our evil Government that makes the laws they have to police

I have nothing against the Police, when they are a Police Man or Police Woman, going about their duties as Peace Officers. I have immense respect for Peace Officers. :)

When they are "policing government statutes", they are performing their role of Policy Enforcers. I loathe and despise Policy Enforcers; give a trained monkey a uniform and a tazer and all you're doing is building a lethal circus. :mad:


I urge everyone to never tell the police your name if you are stopped in the street, you have no legal obligation to give this information, and if you do refuse they eventually they will leave you alone without supplying a name. If everyone does this, then they'll stop asking people, as they'll get bored.

Great post drhemp !
Don't answer them - always question.
Know who you are and do not contract with them.

Peace and respect.


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[sir nob jerkoff]

Funnily enough, I went to the Castle pub the following night and the landlord asked me if I had a run in with the police? Apparently the copper went round to the pub afterward and was in a "right fowl mood". The landlord's son was there, who is a PCSO in Torquay, and he told him about our little encounter, and for some reason, they guessed it must have been me. They said I'd really wound him up, which of course made my night.

Err...might be a good idea to avoid that pub for a little while? Otherwise you could get set up. You know what the masons are like! And it sounds like you really got to him. :)

[steevo]

I wonder what made the cops go to the pub ? :confused:

[drhemp]

I do not know whether you are a hemp-lover or a hippie, I just speak from my own experience:) )

I'm certainly a hemp lover, but my hair is short, so I don't consider myself a hippie.

I own a few local businesses that have combined annual turnover well in excess of £1,000,000 and I certainly pay a lot of money in tax to the Government which in turn goes towards paying their wages. I provide jobs to some local people and support local businesses by buying their products whenever I can.

All I ask in return is the freedom to walk home from the pub without being hassled for my name by the police for no good reason and I do not consider an alleged report of someone knocking on doors a good enough reason; if someone had been raped or violently assaulted then I probably would have given them my name.

[drhemp]

Err...might be a good idea to avoid that pub for a little while? Otherwise you could get set up. You know what the masons are like! And it sounds like you really got to him. :)

I certainly will not be avoiding my local pub on account of this incident. The landlord of this particular establishment is a lovely guy and he agreed with my stance.

[bones]

A couple nights ago I was walking home from the pub when a police car pulled up to me and asked me where I'd been and where I was going. I told them I was not required to give them that information and said it was none of their business.

They then stopped the car and stopped me in the street, again they asked me my name, to which I replied "Am I obliged to give you that information?" They said I was, to which I informed them that "I know the law better than you, and I know I'm not obliged to give you that information, so I'm not going to"

I don't know how many times they asked me, but each time they got the same answer, one of the coppers kept on grabbing on to my coat and each time he did so I made a circle figure with my arm to get free myself, which really annoyed him; this required almost no effort on my part and he would have had to use a hell of a lot of force if he wanted to grip me.

I still refused to tell him my name and asked him to stop grabbing my coat. I told him as a freeman of the land I was not obliged to give them this information and told them to leave me alone. They said someone had been knocking on doors (which I don't believe), so I told them this wasn't me, and unless I was a suspect in this investigation, I would carry on my lawful business of going home. I did let it slip that I'd been to the Castle pub and eventually they gave up asking my name and drove off.

Funnily enough, I went to the Castle pub the following night and the landlord asked me if I had a run in with the police? Apparently the copper went round to the pub afterward and was in a "right fowl mood" - he told his son was there, who is a PCSO in Torquay, about our little encounter, and for some reason, they guess it must have been me. They said I'd really wound him up, which of course made my night.

I've nothing against the police, they are generally there for protection, and it is our evil Government that makes the laws they have to police, but as a point of principle, I'm not going to give them my name when I'm merely walking home and have done nothing wrong. This is the first steps towards a police state, and the kind of thing my grandparents thought against in WW2.

I urge everyone to never tell the police your name if you are stopped in the street, you have no legal obligation to give this information, and if you do they eventually they will leave you alone without supplying a name. If everyone does this, then they'll stop asking people, as they'll get bored.

super dupa my friend!!! you are now taking your freedoms back. pat on the back from me.

and dont let the excuse if you havnt nothing to hide then why not tell em?

cos its your right not to, and its private info.


well done..

p.s

next time post it in freeman on the land section you wolly!!! lol

[drhemp]

super dupa my friend!!! you are now taking your freedoms back. pat on the back from me.

and dont let the excuse if you havnt nothing to hide then why not tell em?

cos its your right not to, and its private info.


well done..

p.s

next time post it in freeman on the land section you wolly!!! lol

I meant to post it there, but somehow posted it in general, the mods are welcome to move it.

P.S.
Thanks for the compliments

[dreamweaver]

When they are "policing government statutes", they are performing their role of Policy Enforcers. I loathe and despise Policy Enforcers; give a trained monkey a uniform and a tazer and all you're doing is building a lethal circus. :mad:
I wouldn't mind statutes so much if they were made by a government "of the people, by the people, for the people" instead of the dictatorships that we actually get.

A couple nights ago I was walking home from the pub when a police car pulled up to me and asked me where I'd been and where I was going. I told them I was not required to give them that information and said it was none of their business.

They then stopped the car and stopped me in the street, again they asked me my name, to which I replied "Am I obliged to give you that information?" They said I was, to which I informed them that "I know the law better than you, and I know I'm not obliged to give you that information, so I'm not going to"

I don't know how many times they asked me, but each time they got the same answer, one of the coppers kept on grabbing on to my coat and each time he did so I made a circle figure with my arm to get free myself, which really annoyed him; this required almost no effort on my part and he would have had to use a hell of a lot of force if he wanted to grip me.

I still refused to tell him my name and asked him to stop grabbing my coat. I told him as a freeman of the land I was not obliged to give them this information and told them to leave me alone. They said someone had been knocking on doors (which I don't believe), so I told them this wasn't me, and unless I was a suspect in this investigation, I would carry on my lawful business of going home. I did let it slip that I'd been to the Castle pub and eventually they gave up asking my name and drove off.


Good on you! :cool:

It's a nice reminder that power-tripping goons like that only have power over us when we give them that power.

[somethinganonymous]

I'm certainly a hemp lover, but my hair is short, so I don't consider myself a hippie.

I own a few local businesses that have combined annual turnover well in excess of £1,000,000 and I certainly pay a lot of money in tax to the Government which in turn goes towards paying their wages. I provide jobs to some local people and support local businesses by buying their products whenever I can.

All I ask in return is the freedom to walk home from the pub without being hassled for my name by the police for no good reason and I do not consider an alleged report of someone knocking on doors a good enough reason; if someone had been raped or violently assaulted then I probably would have given them my name.

good on ya. oh, and btw, hippie is a state of mind:) I myself have a very conservative look, like those 50's TV commercials, yet I consider myself a hippie in spirit and want-of-liberty and peace.


And yeah, I too respect peace officers, for the most part, I mean, you gotta, they are putting themselves on the line to protect and to serve you. Police Officers on the other hand, I too, loathe and despise and would love to shoot with a taser myself. Anyway, best of luck to you Hr. Dr. and I hope yoiu won't ever have to have a run-in with the police again, though I doubt you'll have the privilege of that, in our time and age...

[tusme]

No idea. Said it anyway.
:D:D

[reptileslayer]

A couple nights ago I was walking home from the pub when a police car pulled up to me and asked me where I'd been and where I was going. I told them I was not required to give them that information and said it was none of their business.

They then stopped the car and stopped me in the street, again they asked me my name, to which I replied "Am I obliged to give you that information?" They said I was, to which I informed them that "I know the law better than you, and I know I'm not obliged to give you that information, so I'm not going to"

I don't know how many times they asked me, but each time they got the same answer, one of the coppers kept on grabbing on to my coat and each time he did so I made a circle figure with my arm to get free myself, which really annoyed him; this required almost no effort on my part and he would have had to use a hell of a lot of force if he wanted to grip me.

I still refused to tell him my name and asked him to stop grabbing my coat. I told him as a freeman of the land I was not obliged to give them this information and told them to leave me alone. They said someone had been knocking on doors (which I don't believe), so I told them this wasn't me, and unless I was a suspect in this investigation, I would carry on my lawful business of going home. I did let it slip that I'd been to the Castle pub and eventually they gave up asking my name and drove off.

Funnily enough, I went to the Castle pub the following night and the landlord asked me if I had a run in with the police? Apparently the copper went round to the pub afterward and was in a "right foul mood". The landlord's son was there, who is a PCSO in Torquay, and he told him about our little encounter, and for some reason, they guessed it must have been me. They said I'd really wound him up, which of course made my night.

I've nothing against the police, they are generally there for protection, and it is our evil Government that makes the laws they have to police, but as a point of principle, I'm not going to give them my name when I'm merely walking home and have done nothing wrong. This is the first steps towards a police state, and the kind of thing my grandparents thought against in WW2.

I urge everyone to never tell the police your name if you are stopped in the street, you have no legal obligation to give this information, and if you do refuse they eventually they will leave you alone without supplying a name. If everyone does this, then they'll stop asking people, as they'll get bored.Well said sir.

[biblegirl]

If my name was Dr. Hemp I probably wouldn't have told them either.

:D

Just kidding, that was truly an awesome story, thanks for the inspiration.

[tien an]

No idea. Said it anyway.

*Grasps forehead with both hands*

Oh, brother...!


Good on you anyway; you showed them.
Have you watched the Antiterrorist videos on this subject?
Inspiring.
Thanks.

[pleasuredome]

well done dr hemp. i hope all those reading this take notice and do the same.

[steevo]

well done dr hemp. i hope all those reading this take notice and do the same.

Yes this is a great thread. Well done Hempy. It got me thinking about how I would react when stopped.

[alternative_answer]

TheAntiTerrorist on dealing with the Police Part 1 of 2 - YouTube

Transcipt:

Advice on Dealing with the Police by
"Hey Mr Policeman you are violating my rights!"

Golden Rule : Keep your mouth shut. Anything you say is used AGAINST you.

Do you have to talk and answer questions whether by police or authority ?
NO

If the policeman asks you for information about yourself. You do not have to answer. But you can tell him that if you want info about an incident, then fair enough but I dont have to give MY DETAILS to them.

Policeman : "What have you got to hide ?"
Respond : "Well, if I told you what I was hiding, then it would no longer be hidden would it!", "So I'm not telling you what I'm hiding. As it happens, I'm hiding my privacy". "Privacy is only of value to those who value their privacy and so it's none of yours or anyone business".

Even at the scene of an accident, you dont have to tell them your details. But they will probably put you in a cell. But you are in your rights not to give details. They will try to intimidate you into giving them your details or answering questions or they will "arrest you and charge with obstruction of an officer in the performance of it's duty".
Be prepared to go into a cell to keep your privacy.

Dont fall for their nice talk when they appear sympathetic SAY NOTHING.
DENY NOTHING. YOU HAVE NOT PAST, NO NAME, NO ADDRESS

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When a Policeman stops you to ask you questions :-

Get your mobile phone out and record it all and make sure the cop knows that you are recording. Say "Hello Officer, I recognise your contact. What is the nature of the intended detention ?"
If he says that you can NOT record the conversation, you say "In that case am I free to go ?" If he "yes" then you are free to go and you say "thank you for your time, goodbye", but if he says "no, youre not free to go", then you say again "What is the naure of the intended detention ?" (Always ask the questions cos you are then in the master position).
If he refuses to tell you what he is stopping you for then you ask him, "Did you witness me breach the peace ?". He will reply "yes" or "no".
If he says "no" then you say "I am now reserving my right not to speak to a police officer who has not witnessed me breach the peace. Thank you and good day". Walk away.
If he asks you for some identification. Ask him "Am I obliged to carry some identification ?". If he asks for your name then ask him if you are obliged to give him your name. The answer to both of those questions is "no". If he says "yes", then he is acting fraudulently, he's not acting as a lawful police officer. Ask him again "Am I free to go ? AM I FREE TO GO ? AM I FREE TO GO ?" If they continue to detain you then ask "Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ?".

If they CONTINUE to detain you and they give you a sense that you are going to be arrested then IMMEDIATELY say "Officer I'm a peaceful man, if you are going to arrest me, there will be no need for force or violence. However, you are obliged to note that I am operating under protest and duress at all times. I reserve all of my rights at all times and waive none of my rights at any time for any cause or reason".

Then, if they take you down to the station the golden rule is to keep you mouth shut, say nothing, shut up! You do NOT give them permission to take your finger prints, you do not give them consent to ask any further questions, you do not give them consent to put their hands on you in any way shape or form "You do not have consent to touch me officer". They key here is that they can only police BY CONSENT. When they are working with "statutory regulations" THEY NEED YOUR CONSENT. NOTHING CAN BE DONE WITH STATUTORY REGULATIONS WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT - NOTHING! (Obviously if you are guilty of a crime then you should take the punishment like a man).

If they put you in a cell relax, ignore any intimdation and tactics to get you to speak. You are not required to give your fingerprints or to give your DNA (or a blood or a urine sample), NOT WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. You waive your rights by opening your mouth of giving them what they want. The only way of getting out of the cell (but it could take a day) then you must SHUT UP cos then they have to release you.

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The police dont like YOU to ask THEM questions. It's completely alien to them. "Until youve established probable cause my friend, there is a Roman Maximum in law that says quote- Equality before the law is paramount and mandatory -unquote That means before you have established that I have done anything wrong then you and I are on equal footing my friend no matter what uniform youre wearing so you will treat me with respect and you will speak across to me and not down to me or I will not assist you in anyway shape or form".

The new statutory legistlation of stop and search powers are being abused by the police. You just have to say "No I do not consent. I am not consenting to any searches today. Thank you very much. Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ?".

www.thinkfree.ca

[hagbard_celine]

A couple nights ago I was walking home from the pub when a police car pulled up to me and asked me where I'd been and where I was going. I told them I was not required to give them that information and said it was none of their business.

They then stopped the car and stopped me in the street, again they asked me my name, to which I replied "Am I obliged to give you that information?" They said I was, to which I informed them that "I know the law better than you, and I know I'm not obliged to give you that information, so I'm not going to"

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Good for you!:cool: I'm half-hoping that this will happen to me too!:o

Actually if they asked me for my name I'd give them my first name only "Ben", to be friendly, and ask them for theirs!:D If they demanded my surname I'd reply: "I have a surname but it is meaningless because it attaches to no official identity at all. I have an informal Common Law identity and nothing else. I am known as 'Ben' and only 'Ben'.":cool:

[rjl9332]

I was arrested yesterday for obstructing an officer

As I was traveling in my private conveyance I noticed an officer walking in the road towards my car, whilst it was stopped in traffic. To my amazement, he tapped on the area where the tax disc should be, then just opened the car door and jumped right on in. I don't remember exactly what he said but I certainly remember what I said:

"am I obliged to follow your instructions officer"
"I don't consent to any of this and I'm operating under protest and duress"

As he was sat in my car with the door open in the middle of a busy road at rush hour, I thought it best to move to the side and let traffic through. There was an unmarked car waiting in the lay by. As soon as I stopped he began questioning me, my only response was "am I obliged to answer your questions officer?", which was ignored. He then reached across the dash and took the keys out of the ignition. I asked him what was he doing and again I do not consent to his actions. He asked me to get out of the car. I again said "Am I obliged to do so officer". Another officer joined him and both were repeatedly telling me to get out of the car and ignoring my questions, their attitude was increasingly menacing, though I felt no fear at the time.

I got out of the car. I was told that my car had been seen on CCTV without a tax disc and that was why they had stopped me, under the road traffic act. I asked him if he was aware that this is a statute and not a law as it requires consent from the governed. I was told 'I don't care about that'.

The questions continued. They attempted to extract a NAME from me. Every time I was asked a question I replied with a question: “Am I obliged to answer your question?”. I was not given an answer several times, until their approach changed. Now I was told that I was obstructing an officer and that was an arrestable offense, and that I would be nicked if I didn't answer.

I said “I reserve all of my rights and waive none of them at any time”

This too was ignored. The officer asked me to lift my hands up. It did not register why I should do so, but still my hands moved up from my sides towards my stomach, and as I looked at them the cuffs were slapped on. I was told by arresting officer O'Toole to sit in the unmarked car waiting in the lay by. I once again said I do not consent and I am operating under protest and duress. It changed nothing.

The officer attempted for several minutes to get my NAME. I continued with my questioning from the back seat of the police car, with no answers received except from 'you have broken the law and obstructed and officer' – no replies were given as to what law, statutes not being law.

I gave no name. He started to suggest that I should do so and that if I did I would not be taken away and would only get a ticket. Images of my girlfriend filled my mind, and I considered giving my persons' NAME. I said to the officer, I have no identification as I know I am not obliged to carry such a thing, but I am willing to give you the persons' NAME. He said he wanted my NAME, so again I said that I would give him my persons' NAME. He told me it was too late for that.

A marked car arrived, and my phone and keys were removed from me. I was sat in the squad car and sent to HATFIELD POLICE STATION. I can't seem to confirm their status as a corporation trading as listed on Dunn & Bradstreet, though I am sure that they are subsidiary of HERTFORDSHIRE POLICE AUTHORITY – which is duly listed and likely making a good profit too.

Upon arrival I was asked for my name repeatedly. The air was menacing, whilst being asked for information I had 2 or 3 officers standing behind me, and their tone was threatening. I gave a christian name and a family name, though of course this was taken as the name of the PERSON. Joinder was being created before my eyes, yet I didn't know how to act. I was asked for my date of birth, and by this point gave it up with little resistance as it seemed pointless. My spirit was suffering. I was asked to sign, when placed before I again asked if I was obliged. I was told I was not. I asked if I was not obliged then why were they asking me. I received no answer. I refused to sign and was led away for processing.

Queue friendly old man police officer who cheerily told me to step on a footprint bed. Usual 'am I obliged' question. I was told it was a ministry of defense directive and would just take a minute. So I asked again was it law. The cheery man turned into an ogre and stormed off. Another officer in black uniform came back and told me that If I did not step on the footprint tray he would make me. I said that under those conditions I shall do so under protest and duress as I appear to have no choice.

Next up, DNA swab. Same story. Complied. Next up, photo booth. Then, fingerprints. I was asked to sign at the end. Same story. Images of my girlfriend filled my head, and the indication was that I would be out shortly if I complied. OH, how they play mind games with you. So, I signed. Off I went to the cell.

A cheery 5 hours later two DI's arrived for my interview. They wanted to establish if the officer had acted lawfully and began questioning me to discern that this was the case. I can understand that these young professional detectives are very dedicated and very good at their jobs. I attempted to explain joinder, statutes and consent. It was acknowledged but not discussed. They said that I would not be charged and would receive a PCN for the tax disc infringement.

So there I was an hour later, receiving a caution from the desk sergeant – before being handed no less than 7 forms to sign. Again I did. And I was 'free'.

Every so often the universe hands you a lesson to learn. Are you listening to them?

My take on all of this? I was able to see inside the 'machine' for a short while. A machine full of well meaning individuals who are intelligent, dedicated to their jobs, and believe in what they are doing. I call them 'Broken Robots'.

You might ask why.

The answer came as I was leaving the station and chatting with the DI that interviewed me. She was jokey, and sympathetic; the way she saw it, I was only trying to gain a greater understanding as to if the officer was acting lawfully, and respected that I am trying to learn about the law. She asked the sergeant specifically if I could not be charged but let off with a caution. I'm sure this happens a lot, but still I was appreciative. Anyway. I said to her as we approached the front door:

“You can see from my conduct that i'm not a criminal, and yet I have been processed and treated as one. I was arrested for asking questions – is that a crime? Shouldn't there be more focus on gang activity / robberies / violent crimes, rather than the focus of 10 officers and 6 hours and 1 cell to deal with me?”

She had no answer, I could see that clearly. But then, the police training kicks in.

“don't forget to update your DVLA registration address” was her friendly reminder as the door swung shut.

This is the broken robot. A human who deep down acknowledges the truth in my question but does not act on her feelings, rather what she has been told. She probably had the same perceptions about me: why is this young man so respectful and nice after being arrested for obstructing an officer? Why does he not 'get with the program'?

Maybe it's us – those in search of truth and love, that are the real broken robots.

[rob menard]

Great post and that last bit at the end was bang on. Whenever I got arrested I always figured it was a guided tour into the enemies camp and I should pay attention and learn whatever I could. Plus if they do start seeing you as not a criminal, they have no choice but to begin to open to the messages.

What I did last time I was arrested was hit them with a ten page letter outlining what had happened and discharging the demand to pay and negating all signatures and again asking questions.


Rob

[freedom_thoughts]

I was arrested yesterday for obstructing an officer

As I was traveling in my private conveyance I noticed an officer walking in the road towards my car, whilst it was stopped in traffic. To my amazement, he tapped on the area where the tax disc should be, then just opened the car door and jumped right on in. I don't remember exactly what he said but I certainly remember what I said:

"am I obliged to follow your instructions officer"
"I don't consent to any of this and I'm operating under protest and duress"

As he was sat in my car with the door open in the middle of a busy road at rush hour, I thought it best to move to the side and let traffic through. There was an unmarked car waiting in the lay by. As soon as I stopped he began questioning me, my only response was "am I obliged to answer your questions officer?", which was ignored. He then reached across the dash and took the keys out of the ignition. I asked him what was he doing and again I do not consent to his actions. He asked me to get out of the car. I again said "Am I obliged to do so officer". Another officer joined him and both were repeatedly telling me to get out of the car and ignoring my questions, their attitude was increasingly menacing, though I felt no fear at the time.

I got out of the car. I was told that my car had been seen on CCTV without a tax disc and that was why they had stopped me, under the road traffic act. I asked him if he was aware that this is a statute and not a law as it requires consent from the governed. I was told 'I don't care about that'.

The questions continued. They attempted to extract a NAME from me. Every time I was asked a question I replied with a question: “Am I obliged to answer your question?”. I was not given an answer several times, until their approach changed. Now I was told that I was obstructing an officer and that was an arrestable offense, and that I would be nicked if I didn't answer.

I said “I reserve all of my rights and waive none of them at any time”

This too was ignored. The officer asked me to lift my hands up. It did not register why I should do so, but still my hands moved up from my sides towards my stomach, and as I looked at them the cuffs were slapped on. I was told by arresting officer O'Toole to sit in the unmarked car waiting in the lay by. I once again said I do not consent and I am operating under protest and duress. It changed nothing.

The officer attempted for several minutes to get my NAME. I continued with my questioning from the back seat of the police car, with no answers received except from 'you have broken the law and obstructed and officer' – no replies were given as to what law, statutes not being law.

I gave no name. He started to suggest that I should do so and that if I did I would not be taken away and would only get a ticket. Images of my girlfriend filled my mind, and I considered giving my persons' NAME. I said to the officer, I have no identification as I know I am not obliged to carry such a thing, but I am willing to give you the persons' NAME. He said he wanted my NAME, so again I said that I would give him my persons' NAME. He told me it was too late for that.

A marked car arrived, and my phone and keys were removed from me. I was sat in the squad car and sent to HATFIELD POLICE STATION. I can't seem to confirm their status as a corporation trading as listed on Dunn & Bradstreet, though I am sure that they are subsidiary of HERTFORDSHIRE POLICE AUTHORITY – which is duly listed and likely making a good profit too.

Upon arrival I was asked for my name repeatedly. The air was menacing, whilst being asked for information I had 2 or 3 officers standing behind me, and their tone was threatening. I gave a christian name and a family name, though of course this was taken as the name of the PERSON. Joinder was being created before my eyes, yet I didn't know how to act. I was asked for my date of birth, and by this point gave it up with little resistance as it seemed pointless. My spirit was suffering. I was asked to sign, when placed before I again asked if I was obliged. I was told I was not. I asked if I was not obliged then why were they asking me. I received no answer. I refused to sign and was led away for processing.

Queue friendly old man police officer who cheerily told me to step on a footprint bed. Usual 'am I obliged' question. I was told it was a ministry of defense directive and would just take a minute. So I asked again was it law. The cheery man turned into an ogre and stormed off. Another officer in black uniform came back and told me that If I did not step on the footprint tray he would make me. I said that under those conditions I shall do so under protest and duress as I appear to have no choice.

Next up, DNA swab. Same story. Complied. Next up, photo booth. Then, fingerprints. I was asked to sign at the end. Same story. Images of my girlfriend filled my head, and the indication was that I would be out shortly if I complied. OH, how they play mind games with you. So, I signed. Off I went to the cell.

A cheery 5 hours later two DI's arrived for my interview. They wanted to establish if the officer had acted lawfully and began questioning me to discern that this was the case. I can understand that these young professional detectives are very dedicated and very good at their jobs. I attempted to explain joinder, statutes and consent. It was acknowledged but not discussed. They said that I would not be charged and would receive a PCN for the tax disc infringement.

So there I was an hour later, receiving a caution from the desk sergeant – before being handed no less than 7 forms to sign. Again I did. And I was 'free'.

Every so often the universe hands you a lesson to learn. Are you listening to them?

My take on all of this? I was able to see inside the 'machine' for a short while. A machine full of well meaning individuals who are intelligent, dedicated to their jobs, and believe in what they are doing. I call them 'Broken Robots'.

You might ask why.

The answer came as I was leaving the station and chatting with the DI that interviewed me. She was jokey, and sympathetic; the way she saw it, I was only trying to gain a greater understanding as to if the officer was acting lawfully, and respected that I am trying to learn about the law. She asked the sergeant specifically if I could not be charged but let off with a caution. I'm sure this happens a lot, but still I was appreciative. Anyway. I said to her as we approached the front door:

“You can see from my conduct that i'm not a criminal, and yet I have been processed and treated as one. I was arrested for asking questions – is that a crime? Shouldn't there be more focus on gang activity / robberies / violent crimes, rather than the focus of 10 officers and 6 hours and 1 cell to deal with me?”

She had no answer, I could see that clearly. But then, the police training kicks in.

“don't forget to update your DVLA registration address” was her friendly reminder as the door swung shut.

This is the broken robot. A human who deep down acknowledges the truth in my question but does not act on her feelings, rather what she has been told. She probably had the same perceptions about me: why is this young man so respectful and nice after being arrested for obstructing an officer? Why does he not 'get with the program'?

Maybe it's us – those in search of truth and love, that are the real broken robots.

I don't understand why you tried half hearted with your attempt at non consent.

You have surely seen the antiterrorist videos as you mention some of the stuff he does, and yet you didn't go through with the whole thing by never giving your consent for anything.

[the infinite one]

Nice one Dr Hemp!

You rebel! :cool:

[pleasuredome]

I don't understand why you tried half hearted with your attempt at non consent.

You have surely seen the antiterrorist videos as you mention some of the stuff he does, and yet you didn't go through with the whole thing by never giving your consent for anything.

it might be easier said than done when there are so many emotions and thoughts rushing through your mind and your under stress. he did his best. it will only help to strengthen.

[grachtengordel]

I was told that my car had been seen on CCTV without a tax disc and that was why they had stopped me, under the road traffic act.

That was probably a lie. they usually bluff things like that. I thought that in U.K. we are entitled to see/have a copy of ANY and ALL instances where we are captured on CCTV, so you could formally request to see this footage, i think it's a rule, data protection act or somesuch. Don't know what help it will be but It would prove the occifer was lying/bluffing

[girlgye]

I did something similar to this in the days of the despised 'sus' laws. Basically, he lied and said I'd tried to punch him that's why I was being arrested. All his mates colluded.

When the push comes to shove this is what's going to be resurrected all over again. I think standing up to them is good acting experience but be prepared to spend long bouts of time in holding cells.

They have laser imaging to recognize tax discs, no MOT, no insurance the lot and in more an more constabularies they are armed with the wagon to seize and impound your car at the same time.

More recently a statement was made by a Sergeant that basically told lies and omitted pertinent facts to make himself look good. Of course I was tried and found guilty in my absense by refusing to respond to their offer to go to Court.

Btw skitting that you know the law better than him is just asking for it. As Freemen and women we conduct ourselves with the utmost integrity and we go in peace. Picking quarrels (even if he was the one to start it) is an act of warmongering; saying you know the law more than he does is just war. What makes you think you know the law better than him?

[metacomet]

I did something similar to this in the days of the despised 'sus' laws. Basically, he lied and said I'd tried to punch him that's why I was being arrested. All his mates colluded.

When the push comes to shove this is what's going to be resurrected all over again. I think standing up to them is good acting experience but be prepared to spend long bouts of time in holding cells.


No shit.

The fact that the OP kept freeing himself of the cop's grip was great because... normally a cop will call that 'assault' or 'resisting arrest'.

[adzboarder]

That was awesome DrHemp, an inspiration. :)

Good work also rjl, but commiserations on the outcome. ;)

[rjl9332]

I don't understand why you tried half hearted with your attempt at non consent.

You have surely seen the antiterrorist videos as you mention some of the stuff he does, and yet you didn't go through with the whole thing by never giving your consent for anything.

Mate, all due respect, have you had an officer jump in your car whilst driving and start barking orders at you? Have you been taken to a cell in cuffs? have you been held in custody for 6 hours without being allowed to call anyone? Have you been shouted at by men in black uniforms to force compliance?

If you have and you soldiered on - good for you. You have a stronger mentality than I. I tried my best in the situation and decided that regardless of what you say at the time if they want to take you away they will. Its psychological warfare; except you have people to consider and they have nothing to lose until wayyyyy after the fact... and they don't even know about that.

[astrochicken]

Basically, he lied and said I'd tried to punch him that's why I was being arrested. All his mates colluded.

When the push comes to shove this is what's going to be resurrected all over again. I think standing up to them is good acting experience but be prepared to spend long bouts of time in holding cells.
....
More recently a statement was made by a Sergeant that basically told lies and omitted pertinent facts to make himself look good. Of course I was tried and found guilty in my absense by refusing to respond to their offer to go to Court.




Yep. They lie.

Similar thing happened to me once.
They needed a positive ID on my speeding camera photo within 2 days or it would have expired so they came around my house and my parents house where every was in on the fact that "it was not me..whatever!!" .
Then miraculously i was alledgedly positively ID'd by my mother. You should have seen her face as she stuttered.. "but, but.. but.. but THEY are the police.. they can't just LIE".

A wee wakeup call for the elderly. That shook her to the foundations.. the entire concept of the police colluding and lying to get their desired result.

LOL

[drhemp]

No shit.

The fact that the OP kept freeing himself of the cop's grip was great because... normally a cop will call that 'assault' or 'resisting arrest'.

It's quite a simple move, he had a grip on the my coat on my right upper arm. What you do is point your thumb and fingers forward (like a karate chop) and draw a circle with your forearm keeping your biceps/ upper arm still. This movement released the cop's grip from my coat every time he did it. The cheeky sod kept on grabbing it again, but each time I was able to easily release myself, I was not assaulting him (technically he was assaulting me), I was merely exercising my right to draw a circle with my right forearm. It really annoyed him that I kept on freeing myself, he really didn't like this, as this was in front of the other copper (who was the more reasonable of the two). Eventually he clocked on to the fact he would really have to grab me to restrain me which would have resulted in a scuffle that would have been his fault, and given that I had done nothing wrong that they could arrest me for, he gave up trying to grab my coat.

[magickman]

Having studied the Common Law for some time now, I am of the opinion that the police has a right to know a persons name and address even if walking, but that is all they get. I will tell them my name, and my home address, but will produce no documents for them, or give any statements to them. I always remind them that I am a Sovereign, and that Public Servants work for me, not the other way around. Once the local police get to know you, and know that you will cause a lot of trouble with affidavits, demands of Bonding Agent's name and phone, and complaints to the Mayor of or Governor, they will leave you be. Usually takes only one time in a small city. Remember, letters of complaint are placed into the policeman's file, and three such letters gets him fired.

[scotfree]

Quote from above, "DrHemp, are you "officially" a "freeman of the land" or can ANYONE use that line ? "

Think Free, Be Free....... ring any bells?

Glad people are watching Antiterrorist videos on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAntiTerrorist

also
http://www.youtube.com/user/RichyTPUC

FREEMAN SCOTLAND
http://www.spanglefish.com/freemanscotland/

[danster82]

only 30mins ago some huge police office just walked into my room scared the shit out of me.

Mr brother was caught with some cannabis and they were searching the house.
My Dad let them in because they flashed some piece of paper at him. He didnt need to let them in I sounded like a stupid ase argueing they had no right to search without a warrant but pretty pointless with compliant parents for the police. But anyway I did the same thing he asked me mums name me dads name my names I said no he was like err ah ok.

[pleasuredome]

only 30mins ago some huge police office just walked into my room scared the shit out of me.

Mr brother was caught with some cannabis and they were searching the house.
My Dad let them in because they flashed some piece of paper at him. He didnt need to let them in I sounded like a stupid ase argueing they had no right to search without a warrant but pretty pointless with compliant parents for the police. But anyway I did the same thing he asked me mums name me dads name my names I said no he was like err ah ok.

what did the police do when you wouldnt give them your name, did they just leave? did they take anything of yours?

[freedom_thoughts]

Mate, all due respect, have you had an officer jump in your car whilst driving and start barking orders at you? Have you been taken to a cell in cuffs? have you been held in custody for 6 hours without being allowed to call anyone? Have you been shouted at by men in black uniforms to force compliance?

If you have and you soldiered on - good for you. You have a stronger mentality than I. I tried my best in the situation and decided that regardless of what you say at the time if they want to take you away they will. Its psychological warfare; except you have people to consider and they have nothing to lose until wayyyyy after the fact... and they don't even know about that.

Woooooooh there nelly! ... steady on there fella, I didn't mean any disrespect when I said what I did. I was just asking why learn about something and not use it, that was all.

I understand about the pressure your under when arrested and I believe you did the best you could do that time, you now know what to do next time, all a learning experience.

And yes I have been arrested, a few times, the handcuffs hurt like hell when you get an arse of an officer pushing you around with your hands behind your back!

And unfortunately I have spent nearly 24hrs in a cell too, :cool:

[danster82]

what did the police do when you wouldnt give them your name, did they just leave? did they take anything of yours?

They didnt do anything because they know theres nothing they can do, they do fall silent for a while when theres a realisation of their lack of authority over someone. The problem was they phased my parents at the door by giving the authority bluff that they must enter and being quite forceful with their body language so me parents just did as they where told and so me saying they have no right to enter without a warrant was pretty pointless when my parents are comlying with them.

They took some weed and about 200 cash of my brothers.

tbh I didnt handle it right in the slightest I totally lost my cool and hating myself for that now. Just caught me right of guard. My silly arse brother is probably going down for a short sentence for this tho :(

[pleasuredome]

They didnt do anything because they know theres nothing they can do, they do fall silent for a while when theres a realisation of their lack of authority over someone. The problem was they phased my parents at the door by giving the authority bluff that they must enter and being quite forceful with their body language so me parents just did as they where told and so me saying they have no right to enter without a warrant was pretty pointless when my parents are comlying with them.

They took some weed and about 200 cash of my brothers.

tbh I didnt handle it right in the slightest I totally lost my cool and hating myself for that now. Just caught me right of guard. My silly arse brother is probably going down for a short sentence for this tho :(

you did well mate. sometimes we have to have these experiences to help us along. we might not want it at the time, but it can strengthen us.

[yozhik]

Having studied the Common Law for some time now, I am of the opinion that the police has a right to know a persons name and address even if walking, but that is all they get.

Really?
Can you share a link or a source for this piece of Common Law?
never, ever come across this ... so am very interested in seeing a Law that says a man or woman is obliged, by Common Law, to surrender this information.

Everything I have ever read requires consent.

.

[enga]

We had an officer call today (sunday about 10am). I slept through it but my Son answered the door. The cop was asking if some guy called Callum (some surname or other) was here/lived here. My Husband got the front door to find the cop asking our Son how old he is (teenager) and questioning him...our Son was telling him he would get his parents but the cop just seemed to want to drill info out of him. My Husband went out to deal with the officer and told him we had never heard of this guy he was asking after. He started asking for my Husbands name and he replied 'not a chance' so the cop just left.

[drhemp]

Having studied the Common Law for some time now, I am of the opinion that the police has a right to know a persons name and address even if walking, but that is all they get. I will tell them my name, and my home address, but will produce no documents for them, or give any statements to them. I always remind them that I am a Sovereign, and that Public Servants work for me, not the other way around. Once the local police get to know you, and know that you will cause a lot of trouble with affidavits, demands of Bonding Agent's name and phone, and complaints to the Mayor of or Governor, they will leave you be. Usually takes only one time in a small city. Remember, letters of complaint are placed into the policeman's file, and three such letters gets him fired.

I don't believe there is any law that requires me to give my name to a police officer, and evidently, neither did the police who hassled me, despite telling me to the contrary, they ultimately let me go without me telling them my name.

They want to microchip us all so in future they have no need to ask our name, which is the main reason I stood up to them and refused to tell them. This Government might well want all us Brits to live in a Police State, that doesn't mean we have to comply and make the job easy for them!

[gu3rr1lla]

Having studied the Common Law for some time now, I am of the opinion that the police has a right to know a persons name and address

only your creator has this right. everyone was created equally so they have no more right than you and vice versa.

[stickwhistler]

Remember, letters of complaint are placed into the policeman's file, and three such letters gets him fired.

Not in the UK.

In the UK there are policy enforcement officers that have criminal convictions,
and they are still cops!

It used to be that they were allowed to be cops because they lived within the law,
now they can even get away with breaking their own laws, and be criminals.
This shows how desperate TPTB are becoming.

To get a cop sacked in the UK they have to be found guilty
of certain disciplinary offences, even if they have been found guilty
of a criminal offence, and remain cops until that disciplinary hearing
has been concluded.

Then, there is a sliding scale of punishment from a reprimand (slap on wrist)
to a fine - reduction in rank - resignation as an alternative to dismissal - outright dismissal.

This of course does not apply to very senior officers
who are allowed to take retirement to escape charges,
and incidently keep their lucrative pensions
e.g. Terrance Grange/Dyfed Powys Police.

Remember 98% of cops give the other 2% a bad name!

[infinite1]

i had the same experience coming home from the grocery store oct 29, 2009...shortly after sunset...my basics are "all rights reserved", before i say anything and everything or do anything as in take an action. also, "my name is my private property. would you like to pay me for the use of my name?" liscensing offer enclosed in the Notice of acceptance of the constitution and oath (theirs) of office at www.people's-rights.com.
also, constitution grants "them" authority-for anything-upon the "consent" of the governed, therefore:"i do not consent to this proceeding". even if they do throw you in jail, they can't keep you if you do not sign anything and continue to NOT CONSENT such as do not put on their funny clothes, just do not consent...they will eventually have tto kick you out cause they cannot get paid without your signature.
eventually, after four cops and about a half hour and repaeted saying i do not consent to this proceeding, my naame is my private property, would u like to pay me for the use of my name, and i do not recognize you and ido not accept this proceeding...am i under arrest? am i free to go? and i do not consent ot this proceeding, i have not nor ever will consent to this proceeding; if it has appeared thAT I HAVE CONSENTED, IT IS A MISTAKE...

I WENT ON MY WAY

and one other time same thing ,

it is wonderful to function vs fold!
oneness1

[Ian2day]

i had the same experience coming home from the grocery store oct 29, 2009...shortly after sunset...my basics are "all rights reserved", before i say anything and everything or do anything as in take an action. also, "my name is my private property. would you like to pay me for the use of my name?" liscensing offer enclosed in the Notice of acceptance of the constitution and oath (theirs) of office at www.people's-rights.com (http://www.people%27s-rights.com).
also, constitution grants "them" authority-for anything-upon the "consent" of the governed, therefore:"i do not consent to this proceeding". even if they do throw you in jail, they can't keep you if you do not sign anything and continue to NOT CONSENT such as do not put on their funny clothes, just do not consent...they will eventually have tto kick you out cause they cannot get paid without your signature.
eventually, after four cops and about a half hour and repaeted saying i do not consent to this proceeding, my naame is my private property, would u like to pay me for the use of my name, and i do not recognize you and ido not accept this proceeding...am i under arrest? am i free to go? and i do not consent ot this proceeding, i have not nor ever will consent to this proceeding; if it has appeared thAT I HAVE CONSENTED, IT IS A MISTAKE...

I WENT ON MY WAY

and one other time same thing ,

it is wonderful to function vs fold!
oneness1

Time travel mentioned in the first sentence of your first post!

Outstanding, welcome to the forum.

[shenoma]

http://www.flexyourrights.org/street_stop_scenario
BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters - YouTube
Street Stop Scenario

Scene from BUSTED
In any given public police encounter, with a few notable exceptions, the below rules will help protect your civil rights and improve your chances of leaving safely—so you don't have to be a legal expert to say and do the right thing.

1) Keep Your Private Items Out of View
This is common sense: Always keep any private items that you don't want others to see out of sight. Legally speaking, police do not need a search warrant in order to confiscate any illegal items that are in plain view.

2) Be Courteous & Non-Confrontational
If you are stopped by a police officer, remain calm. Don't ever -- under any circumstances -- talk back or raise your voice to a police officer. You have nothing to gain -- and everything to lose -- by escalating the hostility level of the encounter.

Even if the officers are being belligerent it's always in your best interest to remain calm, courteous and non-confrontational.

3) Determine the Reason You Have Been Stopped
Police may initiate a conversation with any citizen for any reason, however they may not detain you without "reasonable suspicion" that you are engaged in criminal activity. Ask the officer: "Why am I being stopped?" If the officer does not indicate that you are suspected of a specific crime, then this is a casual stop and you should be allowed to terminate the encounter at any time.

If the officer indicates that you are suspected of criminal activity, you are being detained. At this stage, the officer is attempting to find evidence on which to establish probable cause necessary to arrest you. Steps #4, #5, and #6 become extremely important at this point.

4) Just Say "No" to Warrantless Searches
Warning: If a police officer asks your permission to search, you are under no obligation to consent. The only reason he's asking you is because he doesn't have enough evidence to search without your consent. If you consent to a search request you give up one of the most important constitutional rights you have—your Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

A majority of avoidable police searches occur because citizens naively waive their Fourth Amendment rights by consenting to warrantless searches. As a general rule, if a person consents to a warrantless search, the search automatically becomes reasonable and therefore legal. Consequently, whatever an officer finds during such a search can be used to convict the person.

Don't expect a police officer to tell you about your right not to consent. Police officers are not required by law to inform you of your rights before asking you to consent to a search. In addition, police officers are trained to use their authority to get people to consent to a search, and most people are predisposed to comply with any request a police officer makes. For example, the average motorist stopped by a police officer who asks them, "Would you mind if I search your vehicle, please?" will probably consent to the officer's search without realizing that they have every right to deny the officer's request.

If, for any reason you don't want the officer digging through your belongings, you should refuse to consent by saying something like, "Officer, I know you want to do your job, but I do not consent to any searches of my private property." If the officer still proceeds to search you and finds illegal contraband, your attorney can argue that the contraband was discovered through an illegal search and hence should be thrown out of court.

You should never hesitate to assert your constitutional rights. Just say "no!"

5) Determine if You Can Leave
You have the right to terminate an encounter with a police officer unless you are being detained under police custody or have been arrested. The general rule is that you don't have to answer any questions that the police ask you. This rule comes from the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which protects you against self-incrimination. If you cannot tell if you are allowed to leave, say to the officer, "I have to be on my way. Am I free to go?"

If the officer says "Yes," tell him to have a nice day, and leave immediately. If the officer's answer is ambiguous, or if he asks you another unrelated question, persist by asking "am I being detained, or can I go now?" If the officer says "No," you are being detained, and you may be placed under arrest. If this is the case, reassert your rights as outlined above, and follow Rules #6 and #7.

6) Do Not Answer Questions without Your Attorney Present
There is no reason to worry that your failure to answer the officer's questions will later be used against you. The truth is just the opposite: Anything you say can, and probably will, be used against you.

In just about any case imaginable, a person is best off not answering any questions about his involvement in anything illegal. Assert your Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights by saying these exact words: "Officer, I have nothing to say until I speak with a lawyer."

*Remember- If you do choose to answer any of the officer's questions, always be honest. Police are not easily tricked and will often become hostile if they feel disrespected. If you feel it is best not to answer truthfully, then don't say anything at all.

7) Do Not Physically Resist
If the police proceed to detain, search, or arrest you despite your wishes—do not physically resist. You may state clearly but non-confrontationally: "Officer, I am not resisting arrest and I do not consent to any searches." Or you may assert your rights by simply saying nothing until you can speak with an attorney.

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[tonak]

Yeah I had a noise complaint at my aparment a few days back. We ended up telling to police for about twenty minutes straight that. We were going to keep the noise down, and that we were not going to supply our name, or show any Identification. Eventually they just left.

[tonak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE8rfefPQ24

Transcipt:

Advice on Dealing with the Police by
"Hey Mr Policeman you are violating my rights!"

Golden Rule : Keep your mouth shut. Anything you say is used AGAINST you.

Do you have to talk and answer questions whether by police or authority ?
NO

If the policeman asks you for information about yourself. You do not have to answer. But you can tell him that if you want info about an incident, then fair enough but I dont have to give MY DETAILS to them.

Policeman : "What have you got to hide ?"
Respond : "Well, if I told you what I was hiding, then it would no longer be hidden would it!", "So I'm not telling you what I'm hiding. As it happens, I'm hiding my privacy". "Privacy is only of value to those who value their privacy and so it's none of yours or anyone business".

Even at the scene of an accident, you dont have to tell them your details. But they will probably put you in a cell. But you are in your rights not to give details. They will try to intimidate you into giving them your details or answering questions or they will "arrest you and charge with obstruction of an officer in the performance of it's duty".
Be prepared to go into a cell to keep your privacy.

Dont fall for their nice talk when they appear sympathetic SAY NOTHING.
DENY NOTHING. YOU HAVE NOT PAST, NO NAME, NO ADDRESS

================================================== ==

When a Policeman stops you to ask you questions :-

Get your mobile phone out and record it all and make sure the cop knows that you are recording. Say "Hello Officer, I recognise your contact. What is the nature of the intended detention ?"
If he says that you can NOT record the conversation, you say "In that case am I free to go ?" If he "yes" then you are free to go and you say "thank you for your time, goodbye", but if he says "no, youre not free to go", then you say again "What is the naure of the intended detention ?" (Always ask the questions cos you are then in the master position).
If he refuses to tell you what he is stopping you for then you ask him, "Did you witness me breach the peace ?". He will reply "yes" or "no".
If he says "no" then you say "I am now reserving my right not to speak to a police officer who has not witnessed me breach the peace. Thank you and good day". Walk away.
If he asks you for some identification. Ask him "Am I obliged to carry some identification ?". If he asks for your name then ask him if you are obliged to give him your name. The answer to both of those questions is "no". If he says "yes", then he is acting fraudulently, he's not acting as a lawful police officer. Ask him again "Am I free to go ? AM I FREE TO GO ? AM I FREE TO GO ?" If they continue to detain you then ask "Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ?".

If they CONTINUE to detain you and they give you a sense that you are going to be arrested then IMMEDIATELY say "Officer I'm a peaceful man, if you are going to arrest me, there will be no need for force or violence. However, you are obliged to note that I am operating under protest and duress at all times. I reserve all of my rights at all times and waive none of my rights at any time for any cause or reason".

Then, if they take you down to the station the golden rule is to keep you mouth shut, say nothing, shut up! You do NOT give them permission to take your finger prints, you do not give them consent to ask any further questions, you do not give them consent to put their hands on you in any way shape or form "You do not have consent to touch me officer". They key here is that they can only police BY CONSENT. When they are working with "statutory regulations" THEY NEED YOUR CONSENT. NOTHING CAN BE DONE WITH STATUTORY REGULATIONS WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT - NOTHING! (Obviously if you are guilty of a crime then you should take the punishment like a man).

If they put you in a cell relax, ignore any intimdation and tactics to get you to speak. You are not required to give your fingerprints or to give your DNA (or a blood or a urine sample), NOT WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. You waive your rights by opening your mouth of giving them what they want. The only way of getting out of the cell (but it could take a day) then you must SHUT UP cos then they have to release you.

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The police dont like YOU to ask THEM questions. It's completely alien to them. "Until youve established probable cause my friend, there is a Roman Maximum in law that says quote- Equality before the law is paramount and mandatory -unquote That means before you have established that I have done anything wrong then you and I are on equal footing my friend no matter what uniform youre wearing so you will treat me with respect and you will speak across to me and not down to me or I will not assist you in anyway shape or form".

The new statutory legistlation of stop and search powers are being abused by the police. You just have to say "No I do not consent. I am not consenting to any searches today. Thank you very much. Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ? Am I free to go ? Am I under arrest ?".

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Is it possible to have recorded prints removed from file, due to the fact that you did not know you were contracting, thus making it fraudelent. Or any angle that could work really.

[shenoma]

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[nofuture]

I got stopped late at night carrying a big bag I was taking to the recycling thingy outside the local supermarket.
They asked me what was in the bag.
I was tempted to say 'a dismembered corpse' but knowing that cops have no sense of humour I'd probably have been dragged down to the police station and had my DNA taken.

[tien an]

I got stopped late at night carrying a big bag I was taking to the recycling thingy outside the local supermarket.
They asked me what was in the bag.
I was tempted to say 'a dismembered corpse' but knowing that cops have no sense of humour I'd probably have been dragged down to the police station and had my DNA taken.

Why not?
Empty bottles are known as 'dead men'...
You could have said 'dismembered corpses' ( = empty jars )...but yeah; you would have got a lift somewhere you didn't want to go...

[tien an]

Is it possible to have recorded prints removed from file, due to the fact that you did not know you were contracting, thus making it fraudelent. Or any angle that could work really.

As far as I know, (Justice Dept. website), if you've been convicted of a crime (and you're guilty), it stays on your record for five years. Any conviction for a sentence of 2.5 years or more is never removed.

If you've been arrested and a DNA / fingerprint sample has been given/taken, and you're most definitely not guilty of any crime then you can take the matter further through a solicitor...get your chequebook out...

PS You'd have to have gone down the Freeman route and served Notice on the necessary institutions to have any chance of getting anything done by entering into discussions about 'contracting' and 'fraud'.

(Please note the disclaimer in my signature)

Heavenly Peace.

[adzboarder]

4) Just Say "No" to Warrantless Searches
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If, for any reason you don't want the officer digging through your belongings, you should refuse to consent by saying something like, "Officer, I know you want to do your job, but I do not consent to any searches of my private property." If the officer still proceeds to search you and finds illegal contraband, your attorney can argue that the contraband was discovered through an illegal search and hence should be thrown out of court.

You should never hesitate to assert your constitutional rights. Just say "no!"



That's fecking AWESOME!! Thank you :)

[esse]

Makes you wonder... I've had this happen, where the Police just pull up to you and harrass you for no reason when you are by yourself walking down the street, wanting your name etc, and have done the same thing, refused, asked what I was being stopped for, told the same old story, burglary in the area or some such thing, and all the while they are holding you up groundlessly - um... might I point out, they really need to find something better to do with themselves, sigh - there should be perhaps more of a plan in place for them during peaceful times when there is simply not enough crime going on to keep them occupied.... where was I.. yes, and then I would ask them whether I was being arrested, no... ok, then I am free to go... and would go on my way, they didn't particularly like this but they had no answer when spoken to in this way and I went off - but one realizes how rarely anyone actually knows or exercises said rights, and it makes you wonder how often, how very often they do this to people - have nothing really much to do, so they start picking on pedestrians and trying to find something to do with themselves, how many people consent to being stopped, searched and end up with some kind of offense as a result??? I suppose from the policeman's standpoint, they are employed and expected to be making arrests and charging people with things, so they are going out literally searching and scraping some times - fishing to try and find something and come back with something so that it looks as if they are busy and doing their job... Very good what was said about NOT consenting to searches like this!!!

[tonak]

Thank you.

But You do not have to be a freeman to contract. or to use contracting in court. Its how the system goes, and alot of people are stuck in situations they wouldn't neccisarily be if they understood how the majority of all contracting is done.

We contract into giving away our rights, and we contract to continue this agreement. If our rights to contracting were revoked through the contract which we became children of the gov, then any contract to continue this would be void, and we would be free. So yes it is a valuable tool to use even from within the system.

[tonak]

Makes you wonder... I've had this happen, where the Police just pull up to you and harrass you for no reason when you are by yourself walking down the street, wanting your name etc, and have done the same thing, refused, asked what I was being stopped for, told the same old story, burglary in the area or some such thing, and all the while they are holding you up groundlessly - um... might I point out, they really need to find something better to do with themselves, sigh - there should be perhaps more of a plan in place for them during peaceful times when there is simply not enough crime going on to keep them occupied.... where was I.. yes, and then I would ask them whether I was being arrested, no... ok, then I am free to go... and would go on my way, they didn't particularly like this but they had no answer when spoken to in this way and I went off - but one realizes how rarely anyone actually knows or exercises said rights, and it makes you wonder how often, how very often they do this to people - have nothing really much to do, so they start picking on pedestrians and trying to find something to do with themselves, how many people consent to being stopped, searched and end up with some kind of offense as a result??? I suppose from the policeman's standpoint, they are employed and expected to be making arrests and charging people with things, so they are going out literally searching and scraping some times - fishing to try and find something and come back with something so that it looks as if they are busy and doing their job... Very good what was said about NOT consenting to searches like this!!!

With a lot of states here in America, Most police departments have quotas. So even if there isnt alot of crime, there is going to be just as many if not more arrests. Even if you don't get convicted, the prison system still makes the money from you being their, and they still make money from bail.