How accurate is astrology?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Just interested in "hearing" your experiences and thoughts.

How accurate is western astrology? Perhaps it is possible that what seems accurate is no more than self-fulfilling prophecy?
I know it is an ancient art, but then there are many different types of astrology from around the world. Also, there used to be 13 signs in the zodiac. If this is taken into account, then it would mean that you are not the sign you always thought yourself to be, but the sign which comes just before:

http://www.geocities.com/astrologyconstellations/index.htm

Maybe, just maybe, we relate to astrology because each sign description gives deep psychological insight into parts of ourselves which we can all relate to?

I have followed astrology for quite some time now, I'm just challenging my own beliefs, so no offense to anyone.


I can certainly see how the planets themselves may effect us on many levels, but as for the constellations....well, if we each look up at the sky and describe the images we see in the constellations.....then each person would have a different answer.

I would be very interested in hearing some feedback from any of you experts out there, or people with experiences to share.

[lostinstrangeworld]

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it". ~Aristotle

[eternal_spirit]

It's a quack science, too many variables and possibilities and cannot really be considered accurate. The more you look into it the more obvious this is. Although I maybe wrong.

Astronomy is the real science behind astrology.

The ancient priesthoods would use the stars as a guide for what time of year it was. And would know when to plant seeds and how long it would take for them to have a healthy crop.

This would appear as magic to the people, who would not know when to plant their seeds etc, thus their crops would fail, or not be as fruitful.

They would then believe that the priesthood has power over the fertility/nature deities giving them the power to grow crops, thus superstitious beliefs about the stars were born. The people may then convert to the Priesthoods religion after witnessing such acts of faith.

Those who practice magic rituals dependant on astrological influences would of course disagree, but there maybe an allegory or symbolic meaning behind this.

The Priesthood could predict an eclipse of the sun or moon, but claim to the people that it was the priesthood's magic that blocked out the sun or moon.

And they would ask the people to make donations/money, or worship the priesthoods Gods etc. The priests would then pretend to perform magic to bring back the sun!

There's famous story about a Portuguese man who was over in America and to prove his magic was more powerful than the tribes priests he said he'd block out the sun. Of course he knew when the eclipse would happen, but the tribal people didn't.

[curly]

It was thought of by some as corrupted and infested with charlatans thousands of years ago,let alone now.I do think there is truth in it but i doubt we'll ever find it again.

[netta]

lostinstrangeworld,

I don't know how accurate they are. I have had certain planets do weird things during significant events in my life. Could just be pure coincidence.

I used to be really into astrology and studied it but I could never fully understand it because there were too many possibilities and meanings behind planets. I almost believe you should have a degree of psychic or strong intuitive ability to be able to read astrology right.

But how good are you? I will tell you what. How about I show you my chart and you tell my about myself based off of it. Maybe you can guess what my childhood was like or tell me the types of guys that I like. Just basically you can tell me whatever you see and strikes you as important.

Then I will tell you how accurate you are.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25009&page=5

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[lostinstrangeworld]

lostinstrangeworld,

I don't know how accurate they are. I have had certain planets do weird things during significant events in my life. Could just be pure coincidence.

I used to be really into astrology and studied it but I could never fully understand it because there were too many possibilities and meanings behind planets. I almost believe you should have a degree of psychic or strong intuitive ability to be able to read astrology right.

But how good are you? I will tell you what. How about I show you my chart and you tell my about myself based off of it. Maybe you can guess what my childhood was like or tell me the types of guys that I like. Just basically you can tell me whatever you see and strikes you as important.

Then I will tell you how accurate you are.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25009&page=5

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I had a look, the picture of the chart is a bit small. :o

I'm not that good at interpreting the houses and aspects, I just know the basics.

Anyway, I've decided that there are better ways to get to understand people than astrology.

<3

[storm knight]

They are great, it just lets me know who people are on paper rather than relying on experiences.

[broadperspective]

Astrology is only truly accurate when taking into consideration that planets have not entered constellations at the same time over the last 2000 + years now ! There is about a 24 degree difference from what it was 2000 years ago. Western astrology has always refused to apply the changes and therefore it is inaccurate !

For example, the Sun now more or less enters each signs between the 12th and 14th of each month and exits more or less 24 days later.

[dedicate]

I work for the day when Astrology takes it place in the world as the spiritual science it is. On that day Astrological charts will be drawn for each new born. Parents will then have the blueprint of the incoming soul's life at hand, and be able to guide that child more easily into traits and talents that are natural (instead of people spending 40 or 50 years wondering what they want to do with their lives!) One could also see problems such as alchohol, wondering spirit, or lack of reason.. and help them at an early age to overcome those problems.

Medicine would be greatly advantaged. Couples could benefit by knowing if they are good matches. The benefits of this science is endless.

The truth of Astrology has been withheld from the people. There is only one work that is of utmost importance today, and that is to usher in the New Age.

[decode reality]

I certainly think it is useful, having had my birthchart done by someone very insightful. As there are people who teach music and vary in quality, I imagine it's the same deal with astrology.:)

[astrochicken]

I use to think astrology was a load of bollocks till i discovered the field of cymatics (loads of videos on youtube "cymatics" "hans jenny").

The basic jist is that when specific frequencies resonate then "form" is created. ie. circles,squares, stars of david etc. So these are no longer solely geometric shapes but they also resonate at a specific frequency (whether audible or percievable depends on the individual .. some can see auras for example). You, yourself, are a mass of swirling frequencies.


If you were now to view, from a geometric viewpoint, the present position of stars and planets and plot the points then you have a mass of possible geometric shapes in the heavens eminating different frequencies, perhaps interfering with other *shapes* (ie positions of stars/planets) all this will result in you being bombarded by external noises.

The same applies to the positions of the planets during your birth, which i reckon result in your basic operating frequency.. ie the sound you make when you're running in idle.

Here's an analogy to illustrate the above.

You're lying on an air-matress and floating on a pond when someone chucks in two stones.. the ripples will influence you and your direction. One persperctive, and the simplest,would be that you may have to paddle slightly to the left or the right momentarily untill the riples subside. End of Story.

BUT..... bear in mind that you are 78% (or more water) and that water retains a memory, so even if the ripples have long since passed and gone, you will still feel them and you will keep feeling them.




This all refers to the alignment of the stars when the water in your body is exposed directly for the first time to the cymatics of the cosmos ie. your birth-chart.. the daily horoscope blurb is, on the other hand, vapid crap.

Would it not make more sense in reference to the moment of inception? That's i've often wondered.

ALl i can say... if i read up on the sign of aquarius, it sums me up perfectly.




Here's anothe bit of trivia..


The average adult breathes 18 times per minute (that's part of our basic operating system and requires no conscious thought!)

Per Minute: 18 breaths
per Hour: 1080 breaths
per Day: 25920 breaths

The time it takes the sun to traverse through all the signs of the zodiac ie, "The great cycle" or the "Precession of the Equinoxes"
is 25920 years.

So part of your BIOS is to breathe 25920 times in one solar day and the "platonic year" is exactly 25920 years.

....probably just a coincidence LOL

[decode reality]

I use to think astrology was a load of bollocks till i discovered the field of cymatics (loads of videos on youtube "cymatics" "hans jenny").

The basic jist is that when specific frequencies resonate then "form" is created. ie. circles,squares, stars of david etc. So these are no longer solely geometric shapes but they also resonate at a specific frequency (whether audible or percievable depends on the individual .. some can see auras for example). You, yourself, are a mass of swirling frequencies.


If you were now to view, from a geometric viewpoint, the present position of stars and planets and plot the points then you have a mass of possible geometric shapes in the heavens eminating different frequencies, perhaps interfering with other *shapes* (ie positions of stars/planets) all this will result in you being bombarded by external noises.

The same applies to the positions of the planets during your birth, which i reckon result in your basic operating frequency.. ie the sound you make when you're running in idle.

Here's an analogy to illustrate the above.

You're lying on an air-matress and floating on a pond when someone chucks in two stones.. the ripples will influence you and your direction. One persperctive, and the simplest,would be that you may have to paddle slightly to the left or the right momentarily untill the riples subside. End of Story.

BUT..... bear in mind that you are 78% (or more water) and that water retains a memory, so even if the ripples have long since passed and gone, you will still feel them and you will keep feeling them.




This all refers to the alignment of the stars when the water in your body is exposed directly for the first time to the cymatics of the cosmos ie. your birth-chart.. the daily horoscope blurb is, on the other hand, vapid crap.

Would it not make more sense in reference to the moment of inception? That's i've often wondered.

ALl i can say... if i read up on the sign of aquarius, it sums me up perfectly.




Here's anothe bit of trivia..


The average adult breathes 18 times per minute (that's part of our basic operating system and requires no conscious thought!)

Per Minute: 18 breaths
per Hour: 1080 breaths
per Day: 25920 breaths

The time it takes the sun to traverse through all the signs of the zodiac ie, "The great cycle" or the "Precession of the Equinoxes"
is 25920 years.

So part of your BIOS is to breathe 25920 times in one solar day and the "platonic year" is exactly 25920 years.

....probably just a coincidence LOL

Enjoyed reading this, thanks:)


The breath information is amazing in relation to the Great Year/zodiacal ages- profound...I wondered where you came across this info? I first read this in a book called INTRODUCTION TO MEDITATION by Ra Un Nefer Amen. In that book, it talks about the 18 breath also representing 666 (6+6+6)....when we breathe at that rate, we're more susceptible to the negative emotions of the reptilian brain ("beast brain").....proper fascinating.....

[astrochicken]

Enjoyed reading this, thanks:)


The breath information is amazing in relation to the great year, profound...I wondered where you came across this info? I first read this in a book called INTRODUCTION TO MEDITATION by Ra Un Nefer Amen.


You're welcome.

I send my kids to an anthroposohical school and am thus *forced* into the subject matter and thus i am learning stuff from them.
The more i delve into the subject matter the more i come across the writings of rudolf steiner, victor schauberger, Hans Jenny (ex-steiner school teacher),Wilhelm Reich and their own corrsepondence with people such as Walter Russel, John Keeley and Tesla.

These people were way ahead of their time and have been, through modern science, sidetracked and made out to be nutcases and their "theories" made out to be absurd and without merit. The same applies to alternatives to pharmaceuticals such as homeopathy and bach remedies.


The bottom line is i tend to read books (scans from scribd.com) published between 1850 and 1915 and for that scribd.com is an amazing resource and back then the censoring wasn't quite as prevalent as today and it's obvious that something's been covered up since around that time especially in the sciences.

Thus, you have access to a wealth of information, some of which, intuitively *feels* right, and when viewed today with hindsight, you can see how certain avenues of thought have been ridiculed and ignored (THE ETHER DOES NOT EXIST) by present-day school and university curriculums.

Telsa is a prime example.

I'd have to dig out the book but i'm pretty sure it was in one of steiner's from the turn of the century.

Don't let your schooling get in the way of your education.

[decode reality]

That's brilliant.....and it's inspired me to delve into the work of the various people you've mentioned. Also, it's great that your children are aware of this knowledge.

[astrochicken]

Also, it's great that your children are aware of this knowledge.

I think all kids are aware of it, till it gets drummed out of them.

We've all just forgotten.

[lostinstrangeworld]

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[lostinstrangeworld]

Anastasia on astrology

"God has created everything we can see, including the planets. They serve to guarantee the order and harmony of all life- not only plants and animals, they also help human flesh, but there is no way they have power over Man's heart and mind. It is not they who control Man, but Man controls their movements through his sub-conscious.

"If a single individual wanted a second Sun to flare up in the sky, it would not appear. Things are arranged this way so that planetary catastrophes do not happen. But if everybody together wanted a second Sun, it would appear.

"In making up a horoscope, it is necessary first of all to take into account the basic dimensions- the level of Man's temporal awareness, his strength of will and his spirit, the aspirations of his soul and the degree to which it participates in the life of here and now.

"Favourable and unfavourable astrological signs, magnetic storms, high and low pressure- these are all subject to will and conscious awareness.

"Have you ever seen a happy, joyful person on a cloudy or stormy day- or, on the other hand, a sad and depressed person on a sunny day with the most favourable astrological prediction?"

wow.

[dedicate]

There were significant advances made at the turn of the last Century -- from the 1800's to the 1900's. Some called it "New Thought", and included the new sciences of hypnosis and auto-suggestion. The Quakers and the Christian Scientist were known to make contributions to these discoveries, lectured and written about in books all over New England. Those ideas are mostly lost to modern people, and what was said about Astrology mostly forgotten.

[thegoodnessisgood]

It was thought of by some as corrupted and infested with charlatans thousands of years ago,let alone now.I do think there is truth in it but i doubt we'll ever find it again.

I never made money on it but I became very good at astrology at one point... I have to say, if you focus in on something you can read anything in to it, if your intention is strong, yes, you can find great truth there reading it. You can do it with tea leaves, perhaps astrology is like that. I suspect it is. Everything starts / originates with consciousness anyway and that's what we are.