Why is there so little of interest on the forum?

[edelweiss pirate]

Why do a lot of us invest so much of our time and energy into arguing our point with people who never really listen to a word we say?

Why are we so easily taken in by flatteries and hot air?

Why is there no real quality exploration of what is going on in the world?

Why are well all like sheep waiting for a shepherd?

Come on folks, those of you who are alive and real and have a brain, let's chat now on this thread and talk about how we're really feeling about things there are over 200 people here now yet the silence is deafening!

Ensure me I'm not alone. Please.

[edelweiss pirate]

No sign of life?

Bollocks, I'll need a new hobby then this is boring!

[Anders Lindman]

200 people?! Then most people are probably reading posts and only a few posting. That's ok, since some like to read rather than posting. And maybe some feel that they have nothing to post. I post all kinds of speculations. :D

[lookfar]

Hey EP

Nice one, good on ya honey - you're not alone!! :)

I have to agree with you, all this bickering here is getting really boring lately!! Please please please can we change the record!!! I'm not sure what to but anything is better than this pointless drivel that we have going on right now!!

Let's hope there's more life out there eh!!:)

[lightbeing]

No sign of life?

Bollocks, I'll need a new hobby then this is boring!

Chill out brother:), I know there has been a drop in postings at the moment, but it could be the shite weather making everyone down:(

[barbitone]

I'm right next to ya mate. I'm seeing tumble weeds on this forum now....:rolleyes: lol

Seems like most people just search around or wait for a small, semi-relavent slice of info and then debate the finer points and look for any conflicting points of view and then squabble back and forth, on and on.........I'm not here for that.
I think we're ready to evolve beyond this level.

[eternal_spirit]

No guys just the usual Good to see you lot again.

[brians201]

200 people?! Then most people are probably reading posts and only a few posting. That's ok, since some like to read rather than posting. And maybe some feel that they have nothing to post. I post all kinds of speculations. :D

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There are ALWAYS at least 4 times as many "'guests"" on this site than there are members .... Why don't we create a thread for all the ""anonymous"" users. It would be the only thread that they could post on but members would be able to communicate with them on that thread.
I would be very interested to get to know some of these anonymous trollers and find out their thoughts.
It may also encourage a few amongst them to join up to the forum who, for reasons of their own, do not want to go the whole "'joining up" route straightaway.

Moderators .... Is this possible ........ is it a good idea ??? :eek:

[edelweiss pirate]

Definitely, we need a new tactic for dealing with people who disagree with us or whatever...

I say this because I know that feeling when you log onto the forum and you see someone's responded to a post and you think right here we go, a good solid hour's worth of arguing which will soon get personal and will probably culminate in you calling someone a rude name....

I'm guilty too I want a solution because I'm tired of all the bitching, it's doing my head in...

Did we go to the moon? Yesnoyesnoyesnoyesnoyesnobullshityesidiotnofuck off.

Are Christians idiots? Yesnoyesnoyesnoyesnoidiotyesnoyesnofuckoff!

How can we deal with this?

I will say I'm a prime culprit if this kind of intolerance, that's because I'm a bit edgy and always on guard but I want to change... so I'm not having a go at anyone who isn't doing exactly what I'm doing...

[eternal_spirit]

I wasn't at the old forum and I'm not like some of you here who are veteran experieced forum meisters. I do my best, I'm new to forums hoping to get better with practice, post what I can, but I would like to see what others have to say about the issues.
I read the old line someone moaning about how the hell can anyone post over a 1000 posts. Well if it was quality and not quantity that person should get posting some quality.

I've had some arguments and then some more on here. People have been trying to tell me what to do most of my life, you know what they can do one I don't care. If you don't like me I don't care.

[lightbeing]

It would be nice if more people posted on the UFO section, but I appreciate it's not everyones cup of tea!;)

Hi Lookfar:)
There is plenty of interesting life all around us, albeit hidden some of the time!!;);)

[garth]

Ehh Edelweis,

your damn right,

Well, dunno if this is of interest to you, but I have tonight been researching the large amount of Egyptian artifacts that have been discovered here in OZ, some dating back to 3000 BC. Things like coins, carved scarab beetles, hieroglyphs and sunken Phoenician ships etc.

there are some gold fields just north of where I live, there is a small stepped pyramid there.

Modern (consensus) history is a joke, there have been a lot of visitors to this big brown land well before the present occupants. I'm very interested in what they were up to??

links (if anyones interested)
http://www.awarenessquest.com/ (http://www.awarenessquest.com/page1.htm)
http://www.crystalinks.com/petroaus5.jpg
http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptaustralia.html

This link is to an article about the discovery of a humanoid skull that predates present sciences timeline on human evolution (look past the Darwinian crap)
Bega Skull (http://bega.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&story_id=451509&category=General%20News&m=1&y=2006)

:D

[edelweiss pirate]

Are you shitting me Garth?

Is that Anubis on tour on OZ? No way!

Wow!

[eternal_spirit]

It's easy to make a off hand comment which leads to pages of arguments. I've regreted some of my posts, when I've read them the next day. Some issues are complicated and cannot be typed up so easily, bits of info missed out and other bits added can lead an issue way off track.

To someone to read you're comments can make them judge you to be a mad man a facist a raving religious loony etc etc, when in reality the posts don't always express how you really feel or what you believe. What I'm saying is you can't judge a person completley from a few posts, maybe a few thousand then you may be gettng closer to what they really hink.

[lookfar]

Cool stuff garth :) I couldn't get the skull link though for some reason?

[klinker]

I reckon we have had a recent influx of agent provocateurs invading the site as a team.

I'm more of an observer than poster and in recent weeks the forum, for me anyway, has gone from having loads of interesting posts I do not have time to read to having loads of bullshit posts I do not really want to read and I reckon much of it is deliberate.

[edelweiss pirate]

How about a 'count to ten' function...

When you're feelin riled by someone's comments you can press the 'count to ten' icon which plays a pan pipe melody and shows you a video embed of lambs gambolling in the springtime...

Then asks the question "Does it really matter if we went to the moon or not? look at the cute lambs, they're happy, you can be too"

[tru3]

Did we go to the moon? Yesnoyesnoyesnoyesnoyesnobullshityesidiotnofuck off.

Are Christians idiots? Yesnoyesnoyesnoyesnoidiotyesnoyesnofuckoff!

lol priceless! best post in ages!

[QUOTE]I wasn't at the old forum and I'm not like some of you here who are veteran experieced forum meisters. I do my best, I'm new to forums hoping to get

don't sweat it; the main thing you missed was more of the above, only worse.


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I say this because I know that feeling when you log onto the forum and you see someone's responded to a post and you think right here we go, a good solid hour's worth of arguing which will soon get personal and will probably culminate in you calling someone a rude name....

i seem to be on a different time zone than everyone else, and i'm always playing catch up. slogging through pages of yesnoyesnoidiotfuckoff is not my idea of a good time.


Quote:
Let's hope there's more life out there eh!!

http://bizarrelabs.com/audio/cricket2.wav

[garth]

Are you shitting me Garth?

Is that Anubis on tour on OZ? No way!

Wow!

Damn right, this in one rabbit hole that's huge, there is so much ancient (like fucken old) stuff here, and practically no one knows about it, I have seen a buried pyramid in northern Queensland (have a pic somewhere..I'll try and dig it out)..there is much weird stuff here. I was initially researching it for the proposed OZ meeting, I was looking for anything close to Coffs harbour where the meeting is going to take place, thought we could take a day trip of something and see some cool old stuff.

We also have Ibis here, like the birds that are found on the river Nile, no one knows how they got here (hitch hiked on a anarnaki spaceship??)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Australia_Cairns_04.jpg/250px-Australia_Cairns_04.jpg

Rex Gilroy has a museum at Tamworth fill of artifacts that he has collected over many years, lots of carved stones & coins etc.

I reck'on they were here mining Gold, amongst other things...but there is also other stuff in the ground here that they may have been digging up to..

[tinmenace]

I reckon we have had a recent influx of agent provocateurs invading the site as a team.

I'm more of an observer than poster and in recent weeks the forum, for me anyway, has gone from having loads of interesting posts I do not have time to read to having loads of bullshit posts I do not really want to read and I reckon much of it is deliberate.

Agreed! Good observation.

[graflok]

My take on this is that there has been an influx of trolls to the forum recently.
Trolls do that -- they disrupt and discourage posters and instigate arguments
(which I've fallen for myself).

I also believe the forum is being watched by NWO types. I have seen some
evidence of this. That may account for some of the silent new membership.

I've seen this on other paranormal-type forums too. This forum is still better
than all of the paranormal-type forums that I've looked at in terms of troll-ratios
and interesting topics, etc.

There has also been a serious problem of server speed on this forum lately. This
makes it quite frustrating to post or read and this is messing things up as well.

[garth]

Cool stuff garth :) I couldn't get the skull link though for some reason?

Hey lookfar..sorry..fixed now, here it is again:o

Bega Skull (http://bega.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&story_id=451509&category=General%20News&m=1&y=2006)

[edelweiss pirate]

My take on this is that there has been an influx of trolls to the forum recently.
Trolls do that -- they disrupt and discourage posters and instigate arguments
(which I've fallen for myself).

I also believe the forum is being watched by NWO types. I have seen some
evidence of this. That may account for some of the silent new membership.




What evidence do you have? I certainly believe you though.... Those trolls are real wankers though aren't they, often offensive and always wrong.. How can we handle that?

[tru3]

Damn right, this in one rabbit hole that's huge, there is so much ancient (like fucken old) stuff here, and practically no one knows about it, I have seen a buried pyramid in northern Queensland (have a pic somewhere..I'll try and dig it out)..there is much weird stuff here. I was initially researching it for the proposed OZ meeting, I was looking for anything close to Coffs harbour where the meeting is going to take place, thought we could take a day trip of something and see some cool old stuff.

We also have Ibis here, like the birds that are found on the river Nile, no one knows how they got here (hitch hiked on a anarnaki spaceship??)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Australia_Cairns_04.jpg/250px-Australia_Cairns_04.jpg

Rex Gilroy has a museum at Tamworth fill of artifacts that he has collected over many years, lots of carved stones & coins etc.

I reck'on they were here mining Gold, amongst other things...but there is also other stuff in the ground here that they may have been digging up to..

garth, good to hear from you bro! hope all is well. :)

does australia have any kind of preservation or historical society? it seems like i recall a post a while back on an ancient pyramid site being bulldozed up. that is shameless! many native american groups in the u.s. have been successful in getting the courts to return artifacts or preserve ancient sites.

[garth]

garth, good to hear from you bro! hope all is well. :)

does australia have any kind of preservation or historical society? it seems like i recall a post a while back on an ancient pyramid site being bulldozed up. that is shameless! many native american groups in the u.s. have been successful in getting the courts to return artifacts or preserve ancient sites.

Hey True, life is good mate. yep, I think that post would have been in reference to the Pyramid that is not far from where I live, It was bulldozed in the late 70's from memory. as far as protection is concerned the PTB in OZ don't even want to know about this stuff, it is way to much of a hot potato, challenges the "current consensus history" of OZ. So not much help there, it is a bit difficult to find the exact location of some of the sites etc, probable been deliberately kept secret by those that discovered them for this reason, to protect them.

Rex Gilroy has collected a load of artifacts though and has a heap of info on this type of stuff, as does the awarenessquest webmaster.

There is also some artifacts in New Zealand to, these have been hushed up big time as they challenge the "Native Title". Can't even get the location to some of them (the local Maoris put a tapu on them, like a curse/bad spell sorta thing)

[intuition]

I think its rather paranoid to think that the nwo are logging on here and spying and creating arguments- i really think thats irrational.People just have different opinions thats all.I mean arent the nwo order a bit too busy than to log onto the david icke website ( hardly a hiding place is it? lol).Sorry that truely is paranoia.Im sure this site wont get anymore intrest than any other in terms of people keeping a check on it , if that actually happens.You go on youtube on conspiracy videos and people say what they want basically, unlike in here where i personally dont think thats the case.

[tinmenace]

I think its rather paranoid to think that the nwo are logging on here and spying and creating arguments- i really think thats irrational.

Irrational based on what?

We know that the Patriot Act allows the NSA to listen in on phone calls and monitor our emails and internet use freely. So, based on THAT, I'd have to say that the NWO keeping an eye on us is not outside the realms of possiblity.


People just have different opinions thats all.I mean arent the nwo order a bit too busy than to log onto the david icke website ( hardly a hiding place is it? lol).Sorry that truely is paranoia.

It's not paranoia. It's being open to the possibility that this might be happening.

Im sure this site wont get anymore intrest than any other in terms of people keeping a check on it , if that actually happens.You go on youtube on conspiracy videos and people say what they want basically, unlike in here where i personally dont think thats the case.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think you can rule anything out without KNOWING that it's not happening, which none of us do.





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[Anders Lindman]

I think its rather paranoid to think that the nwo are logging on here and spying and creating arguments- i really think thats irrational.

Don't forget that forums like this have a much higher percentage of NWO information than other forums. If I were an agency, I would look at the posts here, and/or have some web bot crawling the threads to collect information that can then be automatically searched, matched and processed.

Maybe massive web bot traffic is the reason why the forum has been so slow lately. Sean, can you check the weblogs to see if some NSA bots have been crawling the forum lately?

[brians201]

Jeez .... Maybe it's the lousy weather, or the chemtrails, or seeing so much bullshit going on the world and not being able to do anything, or maybe even having someone banned has just got to everybody !! But I am sat in the middle of Siberia a million miles away from a pint of Guiness and a decent bit of scran and without this site I would go nuts !!
There is loads of interesting stuff ready to be resurrected when you start trawling the posts .. and just while this thread has been started I think there must have been a dozen new posts.

Thee is a Global Warming swindle going on being perpetrated by possibly the next US president Al Gore ( who just has to be the creepiest, most insincere speaker, I have had the misfortune to listen to in the interest of fathoming the depth of his tripe).
Blair has been appointed as peace envoy to the Middle East which is akin to making Pontious Pilate the next Pope ..

If nothing else can grab our interest then let's get back to the ""What can we do about it"" thread and start spreading our leaflets .. :D
Or let's all start an Astral Travelling course ( for those who cannot already do it .. and it seems like many on this forum can ) .. :confused:

I won't ask anyone to come on Ayuhuasca trip with me because just about everyone ducked out of that one :eek:....... so .... come on folks, it's summer ...... even if the forum has slowed down then let's stay positive, after all everything goes in cycles.

A good weekend to all .......

PS ........ what about that Forum thread for Anonymous (non member) users ... Let them on that thread alone so they can check the water here ..

[john white]

The facts are, this is the nature of the forum beast. Forums are an environment that is confrontational, and feed on drama: so when there is confrontation and drama, that’s what a forum reflects: and it is very easy to create both. in many ways it IS instructive, because to the discerning it shows how the illuminati programming plays out in the human psyche

There is only ONE solution, and like all true solutions its a tough one, and that’s why it seems to be so difficult: if we want a forum full of vibrant and empowering information, we all have a responsibility to start vibrant and empowering threads and make vibrant and empowering posts: no one else is going to do it for us!

I like a good argument as much as anyone else, but I do check myself, and don’t get into arguments half as much as I used to. With experience we gain the wisdom to walk away, at least some of the time, but it requires being big enough to let someone insult us and not respond, or anyone who IS here to create drama and confrontation has us in the palm of their hands

This is, after all, the Icke forum: It was never going to be easy for us, as its never been easy for Icke. Disruption and distortion is inevitable, because its how those with their comfort zones being pressured have always responded to Ickes work: but it certainly hasn’t stopped him! And at least here we have a mod team willing and able to maintain a level playing field: an Icke forum would definitely be dead in the water without them, that has been categorically proven!

As far as lurkers go, well that’s also the way with forums, there are very few forums where more than 10% regularly post. In part its a confidence issue, people are reluctant to publicly state their views and even more reluctant to risk them being pulled apart: but the willingness to do the former and if necessary, endure the later are realistically pre-requisites of posting at all

So the challenge is there for each of us to take personal responsibility for expressing ourselves the energy of the forum we would like to be members of. If we can do that enough, we must just make posters out of lurkers yet, and be all the more wealthy for it

After all, consciousness is the one true Gold:

Do we express abundance or poverty? Because that’s what the objective observer is going to consider we are

[brians201]

The facts are, this is the nature of the forum beast. Forums are an environment that is confrontational, and feed on drama: so when there is confrontation and drama, that’s what a forum reflects: and it is very easy to create both. in many ways it IS instructive, because to the discerning it shows how the illuminati programming plays out in the human psyche

There is only ONE solution, and like all true solutions its a tough one, and that’s why it seems to be so difficult: if we want a forum full of vibrant and empowering information, we all have a responsibility to start vibrant and empowering threads and make vibrant and empowering posts: no one else is going to do it for us!

I like a good argument as much as anyone else, but I do check myself, and don’t get into arguments half as much as I used to. With experience we gain the wisdom to walk away, at least some of the time, but it requires being big enough to let someone insult us and not respond, or anyone who IS here to create drama and confrontation has us in the palm of their hands

This is, after all, the Icke forum: It was never going to be easy for us, as its never been easy for Icke. Disruption and distortion is inevitable, because its how those with their comfort zones being pressured have always responded to Ickes work: but it certainly hasn’t stopped him! And at least here we have a mod team willing and able to maintain a level playing field: an Icke forum would definitely be dead in the water without them, that has been categorically proven!

As far as lurkers go, well that’s also the way with forums, there are very few forums where more than 10% regularly post. In part its a confidence issue, people are reluctant to publicly state their views and even more reluctant to risk them being pulled apart: but the willingness to do the former and if necessary, endure the later are realistically pre-requisites of posting at all

So the challenge is there for each of us to take personal responsibility for expressing ourselves the energy of the forum we would like to be members of. If we can do that enough, we must just make posters out of lurkers yet, and be all the more wealthy for it

After all, consciousness is the one true Gold:

Do we express abundance or poverty? Because that’s what the objective observer is going to consider we are

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So right john white ......... hats off to ya' :D

[infinitetruth]

Well my experience is that I was milling about here for years before I ever joined. Part of the reason is because of the whole joining process (a bit of a headache, i must have hundreds of passwords lol)

But in any case I loved reading the posts and gettin other peoples views on certain issues. I didn't want to join mainly because of the amount of bickering there was - sorry but thats the gods honest truth, I felt the atmosphere here wasn't what I thought a david icke forum would be. People have different opinions and thats fine, but the general tone seemed to be a little rude and arrogent at times and I don't mean to offend anyone by saying this it was just how I felt.

I also felt that the 'what we can do' forum should have been the main forum, because it doesn't really matter what people believe, we all want change and thats what, IMO we should be concentrating on - and that was another reason why I hadn't joined. I was looking for more in the forum, I believed what Icke had been saying and I wanted to DO something about it. That was the whole point of me being on the forum, I was ready to ACT.

A couple of times I have visited this forum and was hit by many viruses, so I'm not sure about the NWO thing but you can be sure it's pretty probable that they have an interest in the site. They don't want to bring groups down, they just want to fill them with disinfo - and they find clever ways of doing this - they come from the standpoint that a small amount of disinfo can bring the whole thing down, and it invariably does if we don't know how to spot it.

[eternal_spirit]

It's a matter of choice. If you know about a subject, anything else anyone has to offer is like second hand news. On the other hand some don't know much about a particular issue and will post about that to learn.

What's irrelevant or boring to one is the oppossite to another. Depends what line of reserch you're studying at the time too.

I read some threads and think that's interesting, then I come back the next day and the Forums been swamped with trivial stuff, then I can't find the good threads I was interested in. :rolleyes:

[graflok]

What evidence do you have? I certainly believe you though....

I have 2 bits of evidence but I can only give you one:
not long ago one of the mods posted information regarding server information
that showed this forum had been visited by someone inside a major illuminati
corporation. I have just searched for this post but it's not turning up now. It
appears to have been deleted by the poster according to a comment I did find
from the person who originally posted it.


Those trolls are real wankers though aren't they, often offensive and always wrong.. How can we handle that?

The only way I know is to ignore them despite the temptations not to. I've
made mistakes on this in the past but I've decided to just do the ignore bit
now. Their purpose is only to rile people up. If they get no response they'll
eventually leave. "Don't Feed The Trolls" is the motto.

[lookfar]

I have 2 bits of evidence but I can only give you one:
not long ago one of the mods posted information regarding server information
that showed this forum had been visited by someone inside a major illuminati
corporation. I have just searched for this post but it's not turning up now. It
appears to have been deleted by the poster according to a comment I did find
from the person who originally posted it.

Hi graflok

I think I know what instance you're referring to here. However, that did turn out to be a misunderstanding & was actually a forum member viewing from work (er not me I might add, although I am at work, my company isn't quite loomy enough, lol;))

[freespark]

How about a 'count to ten' function...

When you're feelin riled by someone's comments you can press the 'count to ten' icon which plays a pan pipe melody and shows you a video embed of lambs gambolling in the springtime...

Then asks the question "Does it really matter if we went to the moon or not? look at the cute lambs, they're happy, you can be too"

:D hehe

[graflok]

I think its rather paranoid to think that the nwo are logging on here and spying and creating arguments- i really think thats irrational.People just have different opinions thats all.I mean arent the nwo order a bit too busy than to log onto the david icke website ( hardly a hiding place is it? lol).Sorry that truely is paranoia.Im sure this site wont get anymore intrest than any other in terms of people keeping a check on it , if that actually happens.You go on youtube on conspiracy videos and people say what they want basically, unlike in here where i personally dont think thats the case.

"Paranoid" or "paranoid personality disorder" is a mental condition invented by
illuminati psychiatrists to describe anyone who has become wise to them. It's
similar to their "false memory syndrome," a condition whereby children reveal the
satanic ritual abuse they have been a victim of at the hands of the illuminati
cultists.

So, yes. My post is completely paranoid. Most of us here are paranoid by
definition. Thank you for noticing. :)

[lumukanda]

thanks for starting this thread EP, it's really needed, tbh i'm a bit tired right now to give any decent input, but i wanted to say this thread has potential, we should use this oppurtunity, and thanks again, we do sometimes get lost in all the drama, but of course, that's why it's there isn't it?

[graflok]

Hi graflok

I think I know what instance you're referring to here. However, that did turn out to be a misunderstanding & was actually a forum member viewing from work (er not me I might add, although I am at work, my company isn't quite loomy enough, lol;))

OK, but, I hope you're not accepting that he's not a spy just because he says
he's not a spy. Most spies don't admit it when asked and he does work for
a major player in the NWO scheme of things. ;)

[lookfar]

OK, but, I hope you're not accepting that he's not a spy just because he says
he's not a spy. Most spies don't admit it when asked and he does work for
a major player in the NWO scheme of things. ;)

Er no, I've come to know him quite well & can honestly say I don't believe he's a spy, lol!! We can't go around assuming people are spies just because they work for a certain company, that's taking it a bit far IMO :rolleyes:

I'm sure there are a few of us on here that work for companies who have loomie ties of some sort, but that doesn't mean we do, just because we work for them! We're all just pawns in the big scheme of things, earning a crust in this crappy matrix system... until we can find a way to break out of it (which is hopefully soon!)

I'm not saying there aren't those around here that do fall into that category, as I believe there are... just that the instance you were referring to was an error.

[intuition]

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We arent a threat in anyway, thats what i guess i mean.Even if we knew all there was to know , our hands are tied , what can you pratically do? Nothing.We can just live our lives the best we can, and treat people with love and respect and just hope that we arent 1 of the victims of this game they are playing.I think if you start getting paranoid you are giving yourself too much importance in the big picture.These people dont have to explain themselves. So why would they even be intrested in what we think or say, they have all the power, technology, and information.They are probrably sat back in their leather reclining chairs laughing at the conclusions that the public is coming to and how they squabble and argue and make consipracys out of conspiracys.Just my opinion.

[titurel]

We arent a threat in anyway, thats what i guess i mean.Even if we knew all there was to know , our hands are tied , what can you pratically do? Nothing.We can just live our lives the best we can, and treat people with love and respect and just hope that we arent 1 of the victims of this game they are playing.I think if you start getting paranoid you are giving yourself too much importance in the big picture.These people dont have to explain themselves. So why would they even be intrested in what we think or say, they have all the power, technology, and information.They are probrably sat back in their leather reclining chairs laughing at the conclusions that the public is coming to and how they squabble and argue and make consipracys out of conspiracys.Just my opinion.
Because they never sit back and rest... they are too busy always looking for ways they can watch peoples' thoughts and manipulate them, in order that they can exploit us ever more increasingly.

[graflok]

Er no, I've come to know him quite well & can honestly say I don't believe he's a spy, lol!! We can't go around assuming people are spies just because they work for a certain company, that's taking it a bit far IMO :rolleyes:

I'm sure there are a few of us on here that work for companies who have loomie ties of some sort, but that doesn't mean we do, just because we work for them! We're all just pawns in the big scheme of things, earning a crust in this crappy matrix system... until we can find a way to break out of it (which is hopefully soon!)

I'm not saying there aren't those around here that do fall into that category, as I believe there are... just that the instance you were referring to was an error.

OK, gotcha. Thanks.

[graflok]

We arent a threat in anyway, thats what i guess i mean.Even if we knew all there was to know , our hands are tied , what can you pratically do? Nothing.We can just live our lives the best we can, and treat people with love and respect and just hope that we arent 1 of the victims of this game they are playing.I think if you start getting paranoid you are giving yourself too much importance in the big picture.These people dont have to explain themselves. So why would they even be intrested in what we think or say, they have all the power, technology, and information.They are probrably sat back in their leather reclining chairs laughing at the conclusions that the public is coming to and how they squabble and argue and make consipracys out of conspiracys.Just my opinion.

I don't really agree with this at all. Secrecy is obviously important to them.
They're the most secret group imaginable. If it didn't matter to them who
knew what, there would be no need for secrecy.

They obviously care who knows what and who says what. My god, they
murder people if they think there's even a chance they'll say too
much.

If the world knew the truth about 9/11 don't you think that would make
a huge difference in their plans? If they knew about the occult sacrificial
rituals? If they knew their leaders drank blood and tortured and murdered?

Of course they care who knows and who talks! Their entire agenda depends
on keeping this a secret.

[intuition]

I don't really agree with this at all. Secrecy is obviously important to them.
They're the most secret group imaginable. If it didn't matter to them who
knew what, there would be no need for secrecy.

They obviously care who knows what and who says what. My god, they
murder people if they think there's even a chance they'll say too
much.

If the world knew the truth about 9/11 don't you think that would make
a huge difference in their plans? If they knew about the occult sacrificial
rituals? If they knew their leaders drank blood and tortured and murdered?

Of course they care who knows and who talks! Their entire agenda depends
on keeping this a secret.

Ok , but thats one thing that seems to be missing from every book ive read- The solution. I know on a smaller scale i can just be a gd honest person, thats what i can affect in my daily life.My point is this- If anyone had such information that would make them a target (or make them think they was a target) for these people, they are hardly going to post it on the davidicke.com forums are they? Would be a tadge daft.

[graflok]

Ok , but thats one thing that seems to be missing from every book ive read- The solution.

The solution is the book itself. Or, at least a partial solution. The more who
know, the less power the illuminati have.


My point is this- If anyone had such information that would make them a target (or make them think they was a target) for these people, they are hardly going to post it on the davidicke.com forums are they? Would be a tadge daft.

Not necessarily. I believe the only thing that keeps some whistle-blowers
alive is that they publish what they know on every possible venue available.
Once the information is out there, the bad guys run the risk of creating a
martyr if they eliminate them, so they usually don't (with a few exceptions).
The tactic at that point becomes to discredit the person. The ones who get
bumped off are usually the ones who make the mistake of giving advance
notice that they intend to talk at a future time.

[dondaz]

"Paranoid" or "paranoid personality disorder" is a mental condition invented by illuminati psychiatrists to describe anyone who has become wise to them. It's similar to their "false memory syndrome," a condition whereby children reveal the satanic ritual abuse they have been a victim of at the hands of the illuminati cultists.

Spot on!

The ones who get bumped off are usually the ones who make the mistake of giving advance notice that they intend to talk at a future time.
This is all very true.

I am a film-maker and have been documenting many things about the NWO which I plan to use in my films. Now I'm no David Icke or Alex Jones, but I intend to shame a few local polititions, expose a few hard-line police officers exceeding their remit; trying to stop me from filming in public and a little symbolism (which I'm new to) thrown in. My credibility is worth shit, I've been to jail a few times as a kid (been out since 1991) and have no platform to air my work apart from the Internet.

Also, I am not exposing anything new that would get the Illuminati in the shit, just doing it in my own way to wake people up in the best way I can.

I don't know anyone on the 'inside' who would tip me off to a scoop about the Rockerfellers or one of the bloodline families or banking families either.

So chances of them coming after me are pretty slim, for now.

However, if we get deeper into this NWO agenda and they really get silly and start trying to cart us off to the camps, then I'm sure a lower level anti-authority film-maker like me will be one of the first to go. I have no illusions about this.

I am in this for the duration and I will do all I can to speak up about the NWO. I've been on the internet since 1995 and this is the first forum I ever joined.

I came here because of David Ickes inspiration and when I started reading posts written by some of you guys, it blew my mind at the depth of knowledge that was being posted here, I just knew that this is what I wanted to belong to. A bunch of oddball free thinkers who's ultimate goal was to spread the word and wake people up as to the real agenda and to their own spiritual enlightenment.

Some of you may think I'm a bit of an odd ball at times and you would be right, but at the end of the day I am here to watch, read, learn and pass on all I can to others.

I don't want to get into a load of rubbish about Paris Hilton, so I don't read or post on those threads.

I don't want to get into the he says she says crap with anyone here.

I want to make friends and be part of a community that unites in the light of diversity. I get inspired by many members here and in my own way I'm trying to inspire other people.

I think airing these thoughts of mine makes me feel better because I think those who read this thread now know where I'm coming from and what my purpose on this site is!

I met John White on this forum and we ended up getting together on a project of his. I helped film and edit Johns' first public lecture and got to meet him in person. I'm not out to get brownie points off anyone. I do what I do because this is me. I find many members here very intelligent and would love to get together with some of you for a documentary in the future.

There are threads here with people aiming to get together and this is really good, this is what should be happening.

There are indeed NWO shills here on this forum and a whole heap of keyboard commandos'; one possible way of dealing with this is by having a thread that actually covers things that members have done to wake people up by going outside their front doors; and if a shill poss irrellivent stuff a mod can delete or move it to where it should be?

The general thread has become too general and is hogging the attention, some great threads get burried very quick there, as is the plan of the shills I'm sure.

I want to see this site work and work well. I'm sure Mr Icke does too.

But it is up to all members and mods alike to set a positive example, after all we are, in an indirect way, representing David Icke.

And the powers that be want nothing more than to let the world believe that anyone involved in this forum must be bonkers.

We have to make the world see us as leaders of free thought and speech, that's what I believe!

A few thoughts from the heart.

Darren

[stikmata]

Well my experience is that I was milling about here for years before I ever joined. Part of the reason is because of the whole joining process (a bit of a headache, i must have hundreds of passwords lol)


you do realize this forum hasn't even been around 6 months yet... right?

:confused:

[tru3]

The facts are, this is the nature of the forum beast. Forums are an environment that is confrontational, and feed on drama: so when there is confrontation and drama, that’s what a forum reflects: and it is very easy to create both.

i guess that's why i don't join many forums; i could count them on one hand. i'm not one much for drama any more.

isn't this pouring gasoline on the fire? what are we really creating here?

my intention is to simply be of support for those asking the hard questions. i'm not talking about theory, i'm talking about the sticky business of that other forum called life. i'm talking about actually applying the principles we discuss here, creating a better world, one courageous Heart at a time. :)

There is only ONE solution, and like all true solutions its a tough one, and that’s why it seems to be so difficult: if we want a forum full of vibrant and empowering information, we all have a responsibility to start vibrant and empowering threads and make vibrant and empowering posts: no one else is going to do it for us!

this is a really good start, imv.

maybe i'm way off base here, as i haven't been around much in the last 3 weeks, but what i'm missing is people really sharing from the heart, the personal adversity, the triumph of the spirit. this is what interests me.

to me, rather than endlessly splitting ideological hairs, people speaking their truth authentically is vibrant and empowering. we share our hopes, dreams, pain, annoying habits, most tellingly, our relationships.

I like a good argument as much as anyone else, but I do check myself, and don’t get into arguments half as much as I used to. With experience we gain the wisdom to walk away, at least some of the time, but it requires being big enough to let someone insult us and not respond, or anyone who IS here to create drama and confrontation has us in the palm of their hands

right. whatever comes out of my mouth is about me. so, speaking from the "I" is always a good strategy.

rather than reacting by typing, "you wretched son of so and so, you..." , i type, "i really get annoyed when people hijack someone's thread who's honestly looking for answers..."

a slight shift, but it can make all the difference. :)

This is, after all, the Icke forum: It was never going to be easy for us, as its never been easy for Icke. Disruption and distortion is inevitable, because its how those with their comfort zones being pressured have always responded to Ickes work: but it certainly hasn’t stopped him! And at least here we have a mod team willing and able to maintain a level playing field: an Icke forum would definitely be dead in the water without them, that has been categorically proven!

the ones who make the biggest stink are the ones who are holding on the tightest. pity them.


So the challenge is there for each of us to take personal responsibility for expressing ourselves the energy of the forum we would like to be members of. If we can do that enough, we must just make posters out of lurkers yet, and be all the more wealthy for it

when a new member asks a question by initiating a thread, i really expect civility from my fellow forum members here. for the most part, we practice it. nothing wrong with teasing, but courtesy and a service attitude will go along way in creating a safe space for people to express themselves. new members are the lifeblood of this forum, and we would all do well to welcome and encourage a dialogue with them. "fuck all <insert 'ism'>" doesn't help. jmo.

After all, consciousness is the one true Gold:

Do we express abundance or poverty? Because that’s what the objective observer is going to consider we are

we are just That, right now, the whole messy lot of us. there's plenty of room for all expression and manifestation. just relax, take a step back every once in a while, and all of a sudden there's a lot more space for everyone. :)

[tru3]

I don't really agree with this at all. Secrecy is obviously important to them.
They're the most secret group imaginable. If it didn't matter to them who
knew what, there would be no need for secrecy.

They obviously care who knows what and who says what. My god, they
murder people if they think there's even a chance they'll say too
much.

If the world knew the truth about 9/11 don't you think that would make
a huge difference in their plans? If they knew about the occult sacrificial
rituals? If they knew their leaders drank blood and tortured and murdered?

Of course they care who knows and who talks! Their entire agenda depends
on keeping this a secret.

at least in the u.s., people are too deeply entrenched in their beliefs, protected in a cocoon of comfort and apathy, from all but the most explosive, documented evidence, and even then it gets siphoned off the media tit. the loomies know this, and cultivate it. secrecy through intimidation and mayhem are certainly key in their plan, but most of their energy just goes into suppressing our minds and spirit.

water eventually wears down granite. every small, subtle way we can work truth information into our daily conversation, very matter of factly, brings us that much closer to a tipping point.

that's what we're looking for, i think.

there's enough information available, with more emerging every week, for the average person to make new choices. it's a very gradual process, raising consciousness, but it's inexorable, like a glacier, an irresistable force. that's why the stakes keep getting higher: the next amber alert distracts the soccer moms and company dads from seeing what's already right in front of their noses.

[lemonique]

Hi all, great post Tru3 (as usual) :). Anyway as you wander through this thread I thought maybe an interlude was in order..

Free Hugs Campaign - Official Page (music by Sick Puppies.net ) - YouTube
YouTube - Free Hugs Campaign. (music by Sick Puppies album out April3)

Cheers !

[tru3]

thanks, lemonique! this is a special place to me, and you are all dear to me.

love that vid! i'm gonna go hug my wife right now! :)

[lemonique]

thanks, lemonique! this is a special place to me, and you are all dear to me.

love that vid! i'm gonna go hug my wife right now! :)

Good for you Tru3!!!:D Imo, there's not enough hugging going on!! HaHa

Cheers

[garth]

water eventually wears down granite. every small, subtle way we can work truth information into our daily conversation, very matter of factly, brings us that much closer to a tipping point.


Hey True, yep it does..but if you've got one of these then you can cut straight through granite with a high pressure water cutter
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6626/ncgranitewaterjetdrilloly7.jpg
Link (http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/03072002buildingstones/NC%20building%20stones/Building%20stones/Mt.%20Airy/Mt.%20Airy.newmining1.htm)
why trickle?

[baron von lotsov]

Why do a lot of us invest so much of our time and energy into arguing our point with people who never really listen to a word we say?

Why are we so easily taken in by flatteries and hot air?

Why is there no real quality exploration of what is going on in the world?

Why are well all like sheep waiting for a shepherd?

Come on folks, those of you who are alive and real and have a brain, let's chat now on this thread and talk about how we're really feeling about things there are over 200 people here now yet the silence is deafening!

Ensure me I'm not alone. Please.

When I started on here I posted one or two things that I figured were of central importance. I did a thread on the British Empire and one or two others. I found out very quickly that the only way to keep these posts going was for me to supply the majority of the info but disappointment set in when after doing some quality posts and spending a fair amount of time digging up research with names and dates and so on I got some really dull replies. Usually one-liners and or a smilies indicating a primitive form of emotional response. What I was looking for though were people to discuss the subjects offered up. Other threads were even worse and dropped like a stone. Totally dull and despite many views I was getting no response. I noticed it was mainly negative responses if there were any and I had to fight to correct really stupid replies. My conclusion is that people on here in the main are just as stupid as the sheep and often far worse. One or two people have impressed me with their knowledge but you can't expect them to reply to everything. Even when they did the sheep were just as dismissive as they were with my input.

So I have really had enough of this idiocy and that's why I attack it. I think I have made my point now. I have been posting a lot on forums over the last month or two as I had just finished programming the graphics engine to my program and wanted a break from it. I like to give something to the world so my postings are just that, a bit of help for people who are serious about tackling the NWO. Most people on here are not; most are highly immature and just post for kicks. The Illusions forum is the same and my comments apply equally since I flip back and forth.

Now I'm not going to waste my time any more with these morons. The NWO is coming and you will get what you deserve. The ones who have paid attention will be OK, they will know what to do but for the rest your fate is in the hands of the elite. You are sitting ducks. You might eat the wrong food and get cancer; you might join the wrong group and die of Kool-Aid infatuation. I honestly don't care because you have brought it upon yourselves. I will be posting less in the future because I'm getting back to work on some cutting edge technology. I hope some will at least give things a second thought and one or two more of you will wake up and get that eureka moment when the NWO system all falls into place in your mind and that you feel like I felt and want to help others. I have seen one or two people do this and it makes it all worthwhile. I'll still pop in a bit but for the next few months I have work to do.

[lookfar]

Hi all, great post Tru3 (as usual) :). Anyway as you wander through this thread I thought maybe an interlude was in order..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4&mode=related&search=
YouTube - Free Hugs Campaign. (music by Sick Puppies album out April3)

Cheers !

Ah thanks for sharing lemonique - I love that vid!!:D

[baron von lotsov]

Ah thanks for sharing lemonique - I love that vid!!:D


Why don't you two just go and play on a general sheep forum? It's hardly interesting is it?

[lookfar]

Why don't you two just go and play on a general sheep forum? It's hardly interesting is it?

Ah lighten up there baron :rolleyes: Whatsup don't you get hugged enough yourself??? Here you go, here's one just for you, incase you're feeling left out...
http://www.yourcoolprofile.com/Images/Hugs_And_Kisses/images/hugs-kisses--10.gif

[baron von lotsov]

You answer the question posed by this thread.

There is too much lightening up and very little of any help to the genuinely interested person wanting to know about the NWO. Hence every time you lighten up you let the elite get one step ahead with their plans. They welcome your lightening up; they promote it especially for this purpose. One day you will lighten up and something unexpected might happen. It did with people lightening up in New Orleans.

[lookfar]

You answer the question posed by this thread.

There is too much lightening up and very little of any help to the genuinely interested person wanting to know about the NWO. Hence every time you lighten up you let the elite get one step ahead with their plans. They welcome your lightening up; they promote it especially for this purpose. One day you will lighten up and something unexpected might happen. It did with people lightening up in New Orleans.

Well I'm sorry you think like that baron. I personally think we could do with more lightening up in this world, as we have far too much negative crap to contend with on a daily basis, a bit of light stuff is good now & then IMO.

It appears to me that you enjoy coming along in an attempt to make things negative wherever you can :rolleyes: Each to their own, but I know which one I prefer & I'm not gonna debate with you further on this!! Just my humble opinion & it works for me :p

[graflok]

I post lots of threads that sink like rocks.
Yep, it's a tough room.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[lookfar]

I post lots of threads that sink like rocks.
Yep, it's a tough room.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Well I think you post lots of good threads graf :D Keep em coming...:cool:

[baron von lotsov]

So we should ignore anything that might pose a threat because it could be construed as negative.

[baron von lotsov]

I post lots of threads that sink like rocks.
Yep, it's a tough room.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


I always seem to get impression you know what is going on.

Well done.

(One of the few who will know what to do when the time comes.)

[lookfar]

So we should ignore anything that might pose a threat because it could be construed as negative.

You're twisting things again baron. I didn't say that.

You jumped in saying the free hugs vid was not interesting & lightening up was helping the elite, therefore turning something positive into something negative :rolleyes:

[baron von lotsov]

You're twisting things again baron. I didn't say that.

You jumped in saying the free hugs vid was not interesting & lightening up was helping the elite, therefore turning something positive into something negative :rolleyes:

This is an Icke blag and indeed it is the New Age/occult blag in general. Don't fear anything and be open to everything. Of course fear is a natural survival instinct that certain clandestine groups need to dispense with in order to lure people into whatever it is that would be harmful to them. Now I'm not saying a bit of lightening up is harmful unless it is inappropriate.

Say you are in the middle of an emergency and you are on a ship and it is sinking and you only had minutes to do something, lightening up would not be the right course of action. Fear would kick in; this would cause an adrenaline rush that would give you heightened awareness and IQ. Your body would also respond in sending out additional energy to your muscles and you would hopefully have enough kick to react swiftly and survive. To try and believe in a philosophy where lightening up is always the best solution is counterproductive. Likewise if some complete stranger told you to lighten up and try a bit of NLP on you, then again you would be in trouble. The best course of action is to follow your own intuition and if something deserves your full attention it should be given.

Certain people use this kind of thing on forums at times when people should be taking something seriously. Again lightening up is not the best course of action. Nor is believing everything Icke tells you because a lot of it is wrong, especially the solution bits.

[cheeb]

Baron,
YOU Imagine all sorts of scenarios happening to you,
Fine,
When was the last time you were on a sinking ship,
or faced with an emergency,
have you no experience,that is not perceived by you,
Is your world so full of imaginary disasters, occultists(whatever they are)
and homosexuals lurking in the bushes
that you cannot see what is infront of your own eyes,

get a life,
its not that bad'
you might even enjoy it

[i_am]

Baron I think the people who are contributing to this thread have a really good understanding of what is going on. They are all, from my observations, concerned about the way the world is heading, and they are caring and concerned for their fellow man. They are all willing to stand up and be counted. That doesn’t have to mean that all of life has to be serious and lacking in laughter and warm fuzzy feelings.

Do you remember last year when two Australian miners were trapped underground for two weeks with very little chance of survival? They knew that the situation was extremely serious. They were trapped in a very small space, unable to move, far underground with every rescue effort threatening to bring the whole thing down on them. They must have been consumed by the most god-awful fear but their fighting spirit, combined with their ironic sense of humour and thoughts of their loved ones, kept them going.

Those lighter moments give us a little respite from the serious business of resistance. We are doing our bit to expose the ‘bad guys’ and the fact that we can stop for a hug, a little light banter and laugh at ourselves and life, does not take away from that. If anything it recharges our batteries and gives us the strength to carry on. This forum has been a very negative place for the past few days and we need to stop, breath, laugh if we want and most certainly have a group hug.

I have voiced my opinion before about the way some people belittle, ridicule and attack the person instead of saying something like tru3 said that gives another point of view. I have seen it done to first time posters. wtf??? This is supposed to be a place for people to come and learn, ask questions and share knowledge. Not one of us knows it all and we can all learn from each other if we just put our egos on hold at the door.

Thank you ep for starting this thread and for all the positive input from everyone else.

[barbitone]

This is an Icke blag and indeed it is the New Age/occult blag in general. Don't fear anything and be open to everything. Of course fear is a natural survival instinct that certain clandestine groups need to dispense with in order to lure people into whatever it is that would be harmful to them. Now I'm not saying a bit of lightening up is harmful unless it is inappropriate.

Say you are in the middle of an emergency and you are on a ship and it is sinking and you only had minutes to do something, lightening up would not be the right course of action. Fear would kick in; this would cause an adrenaline rush that would give you heightened awareness and IQ. Your body would also respond in sending out additional energy to your muscles and you would hopefully have enough kick to react swiftly and survive. To try and believe in a philosophy where lightening up is always the best solution is counterproductive. Likewise if some complete stranger told you to lighten up and try a bit of NLP on you, then again you would be in trouble. The best course of action is to follow your own intuition and if something deserves your full attention it should be given.

Certain people use this kind of thing on forums at times when people should be taking something seriously. Again lightening up is not the best course of action. Nor is believing everything Icke tells you because a lot of it is wrong, especially the solution bits.

I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Fear would kick in; this would cause an adrenaline rush that would give you heightened awareness and IQ

Fear does the complete opposite dude. It makes you unable to think straight or do anything. Some people just simply freeze in fear and are unable to do anything at all. INTUITION should be the thing to kick in. And this is LOVE based. Plus your taking this all out of proportion.....

The best course of action is to follow your own intuition and if something deserves your full attention it should be given. This part makes sense but doesn't fit into your "fear will help you" example.

[lenejento]

Hi everyone!

Lately I have just been reading the forum and not posting, I simply don't do all the amount on research on the conspiracy (or in general outside knowledge) as you guys do, so I don't feel I've got alot to contribute in that area.

And when it comes to arguments and trolls, remember the Truth of who you are is To Big to be defended, you don't have to defend it, it still exists as pure eternal truth, nothing can touch it, nothing can mess with it! Consciousness stays the same, and that's who you are!

I would love to see more threads about this primal truth of consciousness, awareness, emptiness, and eternity which is the nature of who we are. We are misidentified with thought, even Icke said this. But I understand if people aren't interested.

[barbitone]

Hi everyone!

Lately I have just been reading the forum and not posting, I simply don't do all the amount on research on the conspiracy (or in general outside knowledge) as you guys do, so I don't feel I've got alot to contribute in that area.

And when it comes to arguments and trolls, remember the Truth of who you are is To Big to be defended, you don't have to defend it, it still exists as pure eternal truth, nothing can touch it, nothing can mess with it! Consciousness stays the same, and that's who you are!

I would love to see more threads about this primal truth of consciousness, awareness, emptiness, and eternity which is the nature of who we are. We are misidentified with thought, even Icke said this. But I understand if people aren't interested.

Kudos.:D
U know where you are.

[lookfar]

Hi everyone!

Lately I have just been reading the forum and not posting, I simply don't do all the amount on research on the conspiracy (or in general outside knowledge) as you guys do, so I don't feel I've got alot to contribute in that area.

And when it comes to arguments and trolls, remember the Truth of who you are is To Big to be defended, you don't have to defend it, it still exists as pure eternal truth, nothing can touch it, nothing can mess with it! Consciousness stays the same, and that's who you are!

I would love to see more threads about this primal truth of consciousness, awareness, emptiness, and eternity which is the nature of who we are. We are misidentified with thought, even Icke said this. But I understand if people aren't interested.

Hi lenejento

Good to see you posting now though :) I also don't have the time to do the research like some others do & enjoy learning it all on here from them instead :)

I'm sure there are plenty here who would be interested in those subjects that you mention. Why don't you start a thread & see what you get...???:)

[edelweiss pirate]

Hi everyone!

Lately I have just been reading the forum and not posting, I simply don't do all the amount on research on the conspiracy (or in general outside knowledge) as you guys do, so I don't feel I've got alot to contribute in that area.

And when it comes to arguments and trolls, remember the Truth of who you are is To Big to be defended, you don't have to defend it, it still exists as pure eternal truth, nothing can touch it, nothing can mess with it! Consciousness stays the same, and that's who you are!

I would love to see more threads about this primal truth of consciousness, awareness, emptiness, and eternity which is the nature of who we are. We are misidentified with thought, even Icke said this. But I understand if people aren't interested.

That sounds really good.... you sound like you've got a heck of a lot to contribute.... I don't think 'research' is the be all and end all, personal experiences and gut feelings often count for much more than what some other guy reckons, so don't let that put you off...

There are probably a thousand fascinating perspectives out there on the forum just waiting to be posted.. I personally would like to see more positivity, if someone can think of examples which show that the tide is turning against our insane rulers and that they are losing their grip on the planet I would be happy.

Solve and Coagula would often post this stuff but his problem was that he is involved in some kind of new age movement, at least it's a problem for me as I don't trust 'groups'. Something seems to automatically go wrong as soon as people herd together on groups or clubs or societies. This forum is about as social as I get....

How did you find out about Icke and all this stuff Lenejento?

[graflok]

(thank you, lookie and baron, for your support)

I think the real value of this forum is that it helps us maintain a
little personal sanity in a grotesquely mad world.

We are few in number and it helps our morale to have like-minded
individuals to share our thoughts with. Or, at least similar-minded
ones.

Not getting a reply to a post doesn't mean disagreement. In fact,
it can mean just the opposite. Sometimes I read a post and it gets
me to thinking. Then, a few days or weeks later, I have a realization
but by then I've lost track of where it started.

Except for the rabid trolls, I don't think the rest of us are really
that far away from each other in our thoughts and beliefs. Most
of the "arguments" here seem to be about pretty trivial things, really.

But, of course, it's nice to get a little applause now and then. :)

[lenejento]

Hi lenejento

Good to see you posting now though I also don't have the time to do the research like some others do & enjoy learning it all on here from them instead

I'm sure there are plenty here who would be interested in those subjects that you mention. Why don't you start a thread & see what you get...???

Maybe I will :) I guess it's not that easy to start a talk about it since I still would not state that I am self-realized (if I have a thought saying "I am self-realised" then that's just more ego, thought, lol) And I still identify with my thoughts but it's getting less and less, starting to see the nature of my slippery mind. So if I started a thread about this it would just be a humble talk about experiences, 1st hand experience of what's true. My wisdom is not for "me" to judge. "I" don't know anything really.

That sounds really good.... you sound like you've got a heck of a lot to contribute.... I don't think 'research' is the be all and end all, personal experiences and gut feelings often count for much more than what some other guy reckons, so don't let that put you off...

There are probably a thousand fascinating perspectives out there on the forum just waiting to be posted.. I personally would like to see more positivity, if someone can think of examples which show that the tide is turning against our insane rulers and that they are losing their grip on the planet I would be happy.

Solve and Coagula would often post this stuff but his problem was that he is involved in some kind of new age movement, at least it's a problem for me as I don't trust 'groups'. Something seems to automatically go wrong as soon as people herd together on groups or clubs or societies. This forum is about as social as I get....

How did you find out about Icke and all this stuff Lenejento?

Thanks! I do appreciate the research.:) It sure is a crazy world, a world where if you act like a psychopath it's easy to get to the "top", and if you're trying to be nice people will walk all over you it seems. Our true nature is also in a way crazy, lol, crazy because it is infinately free, and all of manifestation is happening within this absolute freedom. The freedom which is our true nature also includes the freedom for consciousness to get into the illusion of identifying with thought, if that made any sense :o It includes for a planet to get into such a state as Earth is in now. Now it's time to be "found", even though we have always been free, it's time to discover this 1st hand.

I remember what Solve and Coagula used to write, and I liked it back then, but like you say, it's new age which means it gives you belief, it gives you hope, the truth is not about hope, not at all. Realising the truth of who we are is better than any hope of who we are or can be in the future. Think about it (but not to much, lol), can you deny consciousness? When I started being curious about consciousness and really taking it seriously, my life changed so fast. I might make a thread about this some time later.

I found out about Icke in 2005, it was a "coincidence" when I surfed the net, I've read "I am me, I am free", "Tales from the Time Loop", "Infinite Love is the Only Truth" and a bit of "The Biggest Secret". About the truth of who we are I've read/listened to Papaji, Gangaji and Adyashanti :)

Kudos.
U know where you are. Not sure about that actually :D

[barbitone]

Not sure about that actually

Everywhere and nowhere.

Just trying to say that you sound like you're asking the right questions. I like you're words. Especially about not knowing anything, I know what you mean. You're talking on a deeper level than most.

We only know what we know. It's just information. I try not to claim I know the truth of anything in particular because I know I could be pulling the theory apart in the near future. I have to leave my options open. As soon as you say "ok, I believe that, it's the truth" you sort of stamp it in there in that position. Which is only limiting any futher look into it or any futher possabilities. It is better to say something like "this is the sum total of my understanding at this point, but it can change any time I feel it should". It's just a different attitude that allows more possability.

Looking at things in the world in the sense of True as to False, there is no final truth. The final truth is that there is no true or false. It just IS.

Which is funny, if I was to ask someone "why is the world in thew state it's in" some people that aren't looking at it on the same level would just say "I dunno, it just is". Ironically they are both way off and profoundly correct beyond their knowledge. Everything just is, but when it changes then it "just is". Like when people say "oh, people are violent, that's just the nature of people" yes it is, but if we were to change say in a thousand years and all people were loving and never thought violent thoughts or deeds someone might ask "why are people always so loving?" "oh, that's just the way people are". In every moment of now we are just the expression of the sum total of our experience.

Hope I made sense here.:D

Anyway, I like you're vibe mate, and hope to see you round on the forum.

[lifeofbrian]

Why do a lot of us invest so much of our time and energy into arguing our point with people who never really listen to a word we say?

Why are we so easily taken in by flatteries and hot air?

Why is there no real quality exploration of what is going on in the world?

Why are well all like sheep waiting for a shepherd?

Come on folks, those of you who are alive and real and have a brain, let's chat now on this thread and talk about how we're really feeling about things there are over 200 people here now yet the silence is deafening!

Ensure me I'm not alone. Please.

A drop of poison can spoil a barrel of fresh water.

All any forum needs in order to make people step back and be careful is some bonehead coming along and ranting about their paranoid delusions/provocative insinuations including all the people in the forum.

Tired of these "agent provocateurs" I personally do not care to share much information or network if the information I share is labelled "nwo" by the "agent" assigned to bullshit everything occult made public.

Who needs that crap. I do not. Besides, there are plenty of people IRL to connect with and communication is not dependent on the Internet at all. As long as people remember their social skills.

[lifeofbrian]

"lenejento" - er du norsk? Jeg synes navnet du valgt ligner på det. Hvis ikke - greit. Ha det godt.

[baron von lotsov]

I couldn't possibly disagree more.



Fear does the complete opposite dude. It makes you unable to think straight or do anything. Some people just simply freeze in fear and are unable to do anything at all. INTUITION should be the thing to kick in. And this is LOVE based. Plus your taking this all out of proportion.....

This part makes sense but doesn't fit into your "fear will help you" example.

So there was a flaw in evolution was there?

You need to think a bit more before making such comments.

[barbitone]

So there was a flaw in evolution was there?

You need to think a bit more before making such comments.


Define "flaw".
Define "evolution".


Who said there was a flaw in evolution again?Oh.....nobody.
You have a choice to identify with reactive, survival responses which are rooted in physical definition and association - or with responsive which is in allowance of higher thought processes to see the picture from a higher perspective and send signals that you need in order to do what you need to do. Intuition.

Think of a boxer or a trained fighter as a metaphor, if the fighter lets fear based response to take the wheel he loses all balance and focus and just goes into a flailing mess. Where as when you learn to respond rather than react, you are allowing intuition into the mix and it always comes out on top.
Most people that I've heard of that have survived extreme situations responded to intuition, and if not for that they would have not known what to do.

I think very much before I comment. That's all I'm claiming to do, think,throw around ideas and share them for the greater understanding of things. I've got nothing to prove.

So there was a flaw in evolution was there?
I think YOU need to think a bit more before making such comments.:D

Who's perspective is the flaw being experienced by?
By who's standards?
You think there is such a thing as time?
What day is it? *Saturday* Why? Because it if relative to the other six days. And is there for defined. It is actually now. "What's the time?" NOW. The past and the future are constructs of the mind, a tool to experience the movement through itself. Space\Time. One thing. What is evolution then?
I'd love to hear your thought my friend. No argument here just discussion.
Peace, Baron.

[chattanova]

It would be nice if more people posted on the UFO section, but I appreciate it's not everyones cup of tea!;)



Absolutley, There's never arguing and bitching in the UFO section, there's just a real good atmosphere.
And we would love to see some more posters there ;)

[peter19]

people need to defend mental positions (i do it too sometimes). but i think apart of it is your sense of self is in what you say, thats why when people say in my oppinion i think they might know, no matter what another person says, is right. kno matter what you say and add "in my oppinion" you are right. so what you say cant be attacked. and when people argue with others what they are doing is saying what i believe is more important than what you belive, and why is that?, because my sense of self is in it. "its easy to see the speck in another but not the log in your own eye".

i think a good thing to do when argueing with someone is imagine that your out come was how you wanted it to be, and then ask yourself is there much diffrence to my life now?, "did that really matter if i would be right or wrong". and its normally no. it only matters because people here (i do), view people as intelligent people so when i open myself up (or try too) i can always be abit wary because these people know the bizz and some could show me the errors of my ways. and when people show you your errors, although great, theres some part of you (maybe ego) what doesnt like it, "whats he on about my view is allways right"

if you want truth i think youll only be able to get it if you dont attatch things with who you are. when you attach things with who you are you need to defend yourself when someone attacks your point of view.

when people attack you, they are attacking you because you have said something what doesnt fit with them, so the easy thing to do is attack the person and percive in your mind that what ever they say they are only a troll or what ever else. because then once you lable people you dont need to deal with what they say and see it with tinted vision.

its good when people say they dont know, they just have ideas about. it doesnt mean its truth or not it just means its possible truth and possible not truth.

dont think too because i say this i know alot, or live it because half of the time i dont because its not as easy to live it as it is to talk about it.

the forum is how it is (to me) because people need to defend themselves. the truth doesnt need defending and it stands on its own.

[chattanova]

people need to defend mental positions (i do it too sometimes). but i think apart of it is your sense of self is in what you say, thats why when people say in my oppinion i think they might know, no matter what another person says, is right. kno matter what you say and add "in my oppinion" you are right. so what you say cant be attacked. and when people argue with others what they are doing is saying what i believe is more important than what you belive, and why is that?, because my sense of self is in it. "its easy to see the speck in another but not the log in your own eye".

i think a good thing to do when argueing with someone is imagine that your out come was how you wanted it to be, and then ask yourself is there much diffrence to my life now?, "did that really matter if i would be right or wrong". and its normally no. it only matters because people here (i do), view people as intelligent people so when i open myself up (or try too) i can always be abit wary because these people know the bizz and some could show me the errors of my ways. and when people show you your errors, although great, theres some part of you (maybe ego) what doesnt like it, "whats he on about my view is allways right"

if you want truth i think youll only be able to get it if you dont attatch things with who you are. when you attach things with who you are you need to defend yourself when someone attacks your point of view.

when people attack you, they are attacking you because you have said something what doesnt fit with them, so the easy thing to do is attack the person and percive in your mind that what ever they say they are only a troll or what ever else. because then once you lable people you dont need to deal with what they say and see it with tinted vision.

its good when people say they dont know, they just have ideas about. it doesnt mean its truth or not it just means its possible truth and possible not truth.

dont think too because i say this i know alot, or live it because half of the time i dont because its not as easy to live it as it is to talk about it.

the forum is how it is (to me) because people need to defend themselves. the truth doesnt need defending and it stands on its own.

Well said peter.

[peter19]

thanks man.

[ngawaka19]

[QUOTE=graflok;66259]My take on this is that there has been an influx of trolls to the forum recently.
Trolls do that -- they disrupt and discourage posters and instigate arguments
(which I've fallen for myself).




Hi graflok & the gang,

I've got a little suggestion about the trolls. I thought maybe when its obvious there is a troll on board a thread, that everyone stick together and keep talking to each other, try to ignore the troll, and keep the ideas and conversation going between the genuine participants. Some of the topics are very interesting and if the dialogue is kept up within the group and no one responds to the troll, i'm sure he/she will get bored and bounce.

just a suggestion.

[peter19]

what if the person you think is a troll, is not?. then what would be happening is because that person believes something diffrent you are totally ignoring there essense of who they are and casting them aside. does it make me evil or a bad person or troll if i say 9-11 was done by osama bin laden, or theres no such thing as a NWO. no it doesnt, all it does is my beliefs have changed abit. i dont think that though btw. but i think if you did that and grouped up on people and talked about loveing ect and freedom at the same time it would be semi ironic. i dont know who the trolls are, i can only pressume who they are but i dont know there intentions behind the keyboard, so i could be putting someone in a box when they dont deserve to be there.

there could be aspects of myself what i dont like and puting it onto another person. or as tolle says i could be thinking there unconsciousness is who they are. :)

[ngawaka19]

That makes sense, its hard to know where the lines are. So I know what you mean. Its very cool when there's a flow and a bit of humour, sometimes you just gotta feel your way, go with the flow. Normally its blatantly obvious when someone is being hard core (busting myself here). And probably the gang will use those tactics on me. The old backfire. Me and my big mouth. Bad suggestion. Sorry. You got any blan B's up your sleeve? or anyone?

[peter19]

yeah i think just feeling your way is the way to go personally. people say there must be a troll them or a mason or a disinfo agent ect, when who knows and what if they are not. i get negative vibes of some people (not you ngawaka19, there abit posative and i think you are well intentioned) but you might not be (oooohhhh) lol.
no but intuition is a great thing and i think intuitavly you get drawn to people who feel the same and sort of repel those what dont. its pritty amazeing that on even a forum you can sense people. but if you repel something in another is it in yourself?. maybe you get drawn to those and argue with them and its almost like you are argueing with another aspect of yourself.

who knows.

[tru3]

Hi everyone!

Lately I have just been reading the forum and not posting, I simply don't do all the amount on research on the conspiracy (or in general outside knowledge) as you guys do, so I don't feel I've got alot to contribute in that area.

right. we all have different interests, different talents.

reactionaries pigeonhole things in very small cubbyholes.

reactionaries drop ideas in very shallow buckets.

the result: flatland, a place where reality is focused in surface appearance, where there is no depth to experience, where inner subjective reality becomes a fool's game.

in flatland, every piece of the puzzle is hammered into the frame, distorting the picture. there are a few pieces of the puzzle the flatlander works with, and these pieces are important in relation to the whole, but they are not the puzzle.

just because i don't respond, doesn't mean i'm not interested.

just because i believe in the healing power of love, doesn't mean i am weak.

just because i don't agree with you, lock-step, at all times, doesn't mean you don't have something to offer.

just because a spiritual truth has been hijacked, and distorted, and perverted doesn't mean that truth is invalid.

too many assumptions are made by the reactionary. help was intended, but what showed up was indifference.

so, the reactionary blames the 'fish' when the 'fish' ignores the 'bait', metaphorically speaking.

expecting gratitude for any act of service only invites disappointment and resentment, ime.

communication is always a two-way street.

And when it comes to arguments and trolls, remember the Truth of who you are is To Big to be defended, you don't have to defend it, it still exists as pure eternal truth, nothing can touch it, nothing can mess with it! Consciousness stays the same, and that's who you are!

a resident of flatland runs around addressing external conditions, and never really addressing this aspect of Truth. my advice is to not take the bait. i gave up the illusion of being 'right' a while back.

if i had to choose between being 'right' and being at peace, in this moment, despite all the chaos and shite piling up around me, i choose peace. that doesn't mean sitting around, doing nothing, but ime the first step to recovery is acceptance. when i drop playing victim to external forces, and drop my rigid fixed positions, true freedom can begin to emerge. an authentic path becomes possible

I would love to see more threads about this primal truth of consciousness, awareness, emptiness, and eternity which is the nature of who we are. We are misidentified with thought, even Icke said this. But I understand if people aren't interested.

thought and theory can only take one so far. i have maintained for a long time that when choosing a spiritual path, "caveat emptor" applies. nothing new needs to be gained, only illusion dropped.

the dreamworld we are exposing on this forum, imho, is mostly between our ears. :)

[graflok]

what if the person you think is a troll, is not?. then what would be happening is because that person believes something diffrent you are totally ignoring there essense of who they are and casting them aside.

I don't see where anyone has defined a troll as someone who believes something
different. I certainly don't think that way.

A troll is something else entirely.

[graflok]

[QUOTE]
Hi graflok & the gang,

I've got a little suggestion about the trolls. I thought maybe when its obvious there is a troll on board a thread, that everyone stick together and keep talking to each other, try to ignore the troll, and keep the ideas and conversation going between the genuine participants. Some of the topics are very interesting and if the dialogue is kept up within the group and no one responds to the troll, i'm sure he/she will get bored and bounce.

just a suggestion.

Yes. "Don't feed the trolls."

[john white]

if i had to choose between being 'right' and being at peace, in this moment, despite all the chaos and shite piling up around me, i choose peace. that doesn't mean sitting around, doing nothing, but ime the first step to recovery is acceptance. when i drop playing victim to external forces, and drop my rigid fixed positions, true freedom can begin to emerge. an authentic path becomes possible


Beautiful Tru. You are an inspiration (which of course you can do without having to be "right" or "wrong", but just by "being")

[baron von lotsov]

Define "flaw".
Define "evolution".


I'm not your primary school teacher. If you can't understand english use a dictionary.

[lookfar]

Yes. "Don't feed the trolls."

Hmmm & they seem to be quite hungry on here at mo too. Must be the full moon tonight or something...:rolleyes:

[barbitone]

I'm not your primary school teacher. If you can't understand english use a dictionary.

What I meant was elaborate on that a little further.
I have a feeling you know this. I don't think you would actually think I don't know what these words mean. There's no need for attitude Baron. You think I have an ego to defend? lol :D

Any actual information on the subject we were discussing? Or just ego defence one liners?

[rossus]

Definitely, we need a new tactic for dealing with people who disagree with us or whatever...

I say this because I know that feeling when you log onto the forum and you see someone's responded to a post and you think right here we go, a good solid hour's worth of arguing which will soon get personal and will probably culminate in you calling someone a rude name....

I'm guilty too I want a solution because I'm tired of all the bitching, it's doing my head in...

Did we go to the moon? Yesnoyesnoyesnoyesnoyesnobullshityesidiotnofuck off.

Are Christians idiots? Yesnoyesnoyesnoyesnoidiotyesnoyesnofuckoff!

How can we deal with this?

I will say I'm a prime culprit if this kind of intolerance, that's because I'm a bit edgy and always on guard but I want to change... so I'm not having a go at anyone who isn't doing exactly what I'm doing...
after checking this forum for the first time in two weeks i had the same impression.
"same bullshit as usual"

people think too often, and act too less.
this board is used by many people to escape from life.

we are affraid to do what we really want to do.
if we want peace, we should not discuss dumb conspiracy-theories all the time.
we should make peace.
go out there & give people some love.

but then again, i am guilty of this too.
knowing there is something wrong with how i live is a good start though.

[ngawaka19]

we are affraid to do what we really want to do.
if we want peace, we should not discuss dumb conspiracy-theories all the time.
we should make peace.
go out there & give people some love.



Yes, I agree rossus. I don't mind reading about the conspiracies and whats happening that's unfortunate in the world, I get to learn about peoples community's and their opinion about the struggles etc.

I am more interested in the spiritual plight of the individual and the everyday happenings of how they are going. Even if its not put into intellectual terms, and has an everyday story. These are the things that are of interest to me. After all we all have to eat, sleep, shower (well some of us) go to the toilet, etc. For me, within the mundane there is the biggest lesson of all.......patience and meditation, contemplation. This is how, I believe, we move forward and accomplish......not via looking at the negative in the world. Again not to say its not ok to see these things, but to say let us not dwell on them, and analyze to much, for within that there is the danger of feeding them, if we can't do anything practical about them, then we shall meditate to cast positivity and love upon them.

chur
love and light

[baron von lotsov]

What I meant was elaborate on that a little further.
I have a feeling you know this. I don't think you would actually think I don't know what these words mean. There's no need for attitude Baron. You think I have an ego to defend? lol :D

Any actual information on the subject we were discussing? Or just ego defence one liners?

I thought the comment I made was obvious.

In case it wasn't then let me explain. During the evolution of a species the characteristics that are beneficial to its survival and reproduction are favoured against the ones that are not. So if fear were a negative characteristic in terms of survival those that possessed that characteristic would have died out a long time ago. It's pretty obvious that its function is beneficial though, as I have already outlined, so to suggest it is a flaw is completely against reason.

Really, unless you are trying to initiate some kind of argument I can't see why this is so difficult to understand. What do they teach you at school these days?

[auron]

http://www.kawaiispace.com/gfx/albums/comment/funny_55.jpg

http://www.visualbliss.co.uk/gallery/artwork/images/magic%20mushroom%20picture.jpg

:D

[barbitone]

I thought the comment I made was obvious.

In case it wasn't then let me explain. During the evolution of a species the characteristics that are beneficial to its survival and reproduction are favoured against the ones that are not. So if fear were a negative characteristic in terms of survival those that possessed that characteristic would have died out a long time ago. It's pretty obvious that its function is beneficial though, as I have already outlined, so to suggest it is a flaw is completely against reason.

Really, unless you are trying to initiate some kind of argument I can't see why this is so difficult to understand. What do they teach you at school these days?

You say that as if you know. What makes you think what they taught you at school about evolution is correct? I'm trying to initiate a discussion not an argument.

What am I arguing? I didn't say anything about evolution being flawed nor did I say that survival instincts are negative. The point is that we are meant to be pushing ourselves past the point of animalistic reactionism. I agree that the adrenalin and so forth are useful tools, but the must be used correctly.
In the beginning of this discussion you made it clear that you thought fear was useful in certain situations.

If you had of said "the adrenalin released into your body at such a time is useful for split second reactions" I would agree. But "fear", as in low vibrational thoughts, are never beneficial. Sorry, I'm just used to looking at things from a bigger angle than Darwanism. I believe we choose to evolve by choosing love thoughts and actions over fearful ones. We can choose not to evolve by doing what most of the human race is doing at this time. Running on the spot, because we keep reacting to fear and thus keep ourselves in a constant, low vibrational survival mode.

Is that valid? Again, I've made absolutely no intentions towards starting any kind of fear based argument of any kind. Just a pure and simple discussion about choosing love over fear.

Peace bro.:)

[baron von lotsov]

My thoughts were not low vibrational though. I know what you mean about that sort of thing, the Hitchcock kind of fear, but then Hitchcock was a Satanist anyway.

I was talking about giving people a warning and then being accused of spreading fear. The kind of fear I was talking about was a wariness that everyone experiences to a greater or lesser extent, and it is quite natural. Sometimes I get this when I meet someone, as I pick it up intuitively. My position is that we should neither exaggerate fear nor try and quell it because in its natural state it is optimal according to evolution or at least it is in anything that is not unique to the last thousand years. Evolution cannot deal with fear spread on TV but for a wild dog with big jaws it can work just how it is supposed to.

Brainwashing is about skewing the natural mental states and responses away from the optimised learned responses. So to make people unresponsive to fear can be just as bad as making them over responsive or sometimes even worse. I have seen how the New Agers and salesman alike work by putting their victim at ease before they rip them. This is why Icke is too simplistic; he is the master of over generalisations, breaking something complex and often subtle into consumer size bites. He, in a way, is copying the mainstream and wants to be seen as a kind of idol. Some people on here have substituted their ideas for his and they try and curry agreement using the lowest common denominator, which on here is Ickes theories. I on the other hand am not bound by this. I will agree with Icke where I agree and point out the difference in opinion where I disagree. This is healthy, blind following and idealism is not.

[barbitone]

My thoughts were not low vibrational though. I know what you mean about that sort of thing, the Hitchcock kind of fear, but then Hitchcock was a Satanist anyway.

I was talking about giving people a warning and then being accused of spreading fear. The kind of fear I was talking about was a wariness that everyone experiences to a greater or lesser extent, and it is quite natural. Sometimes I get this when I meet someone, as I pick it up intuitively. My position is that we should neither exaggerate fear nor try and quell it because in its natural state it is optimal according to evolution or at least it is in anything that is not unique to the last thousand years. Evolution cannot deal with fear spread on TV but for a wild dog with big jaws it can work just how it is supposed to.

Brainwashing is about skewing the natural mental states and responses away from the optimised learned responses. So to make people unresponsive to fear can be just as bad as making them over responsive or sometimes even worse. I have seen how the New Agers and salesman alike work by putting their victim at ease before they rip them. This is why Icke is too simplistic; he is the master of over generalisations, breaking something complex and often subtle into consumer size bites. He, in a way, is copying the mainstream and wants to be seen as a kind of idol. Some people on here have substituted their ideas for his and they try and curry agreement using the lowest common denominator, which on here is Ickes theories. I on the other hand am not bound by this. I will agree with Icke where I agree and point out the difference in opinion where I disagree. This is healthy, blind following and idealism is not.

Absolutely mate, cheers for coming through with a nice conversational response. Kudos.:D

I think it is just a slight change of view on fear. It is more like caution. Which is sort of the same but different. It has an element of intelligent response instead of blind reaction.

This is why Icke is too simplistic; he is the master of over generalisations, breaking something complex and often subtle into consumer size bites. He, in a way, is copying the mainstream and wants to be seen as a kind of idol.

I don't so much agree with this point of view but that's your interpretation so it's valid. I think he is just doing his best to convey messages that are very complex in a way that he can get through in laymans terms. He has to address things in public, in a way that wont confuse people too much and just give the jist of it so that her can keep the flow going through his talks. More info can always be looked into later. He doesn't give the impression that he wants to be idolised to me. People may do so but he in fact consistently states that he is merely a messenger of sorts. The importance is placed on the info not himself.

Cheers Baron.:D

[lenejento]

:o Hi, I forgot to answer some posts, this is probably bad forum behaviour :p
Sorry.


Everywhere and nowhere.

Just trying to say that you sound like you're asking the right questions. I like you're words. Especially about not knowing anything, I know what you mean. You're talking on a deeper level than most.

We only know what we know. It's just information. I try not to claim I know the truth of anything in particular because I know I could be pulling the theory apart in the near future. I have to leave my options open. As soon as you say "ok, I believe that, it's the truth" you sort of stamp it in there in that position. Which is only limiting any futher look into it or any futher possabilities. It is better to say something like "this is the sum total of my understanding at this point, but it can change any time I feel it should". It's just a different attitude that allows more possability.

Looking at things in the world in the sense of True as to False, there is no final truth. The final truth is that there is no true or false. It just IS.

Which is funny, if I was to ask someone "why is the world in thew state it's in" some people that aren't looking at it on the same level would just say "I dunno, it just is". Ironically they are both way off and profoundly correct beyond their knowledge. Everything just is, but when it changes then it "just is". Like when people say "oh, people are violent, that's just the nature of people" yes it is, but if we were to change say in a thousand years and all people were loving and never thought violent thoughts or deeds someone might ask "why are people always so loving?" "oh, that's just the way people are". In every moment of now we are just the expression of the sum total of our experience.

Hope I made sense here.

Anyway, I like you're vibe mate, and hope to see you round on the forum.


Yes, Beliefs, what are they? Beliefs are Ultimately illusions aren't they? (I think we have seen enough proof that this is the case) And we want the Ultimate Truth, so I suggest stripping away All beliefs (deprogramming), even the ones that we take for granted and that's running in our subconscious (see how deep our programming goes). How can the Ultimate Truth be Seperate from this moment, where you are, here now?

I have had glimpses where "I let go" of all beliefs and understanding, when this happend profound understanding and revelation was flowing from the Truth itself. The most profoud revelation being that the Truth (and our true nature) is the eternal Mystery that enables all non-mystery to exist (everything that can Ultimately be explained), and it is nothing (No-Thing). I laughed and laughed and laughed and LAUGHED and cried in bliss, I felt unimaginably free and acted crazy (I really didn't care), started dancing in the cafe, in the streets is was yelling you are free!! It was great.

Now, my mind wanted to own it again and I still identifiy with my thoughts.


"lenejento" - er du norsk? Jeg synes navnet du valgt ligner på det. Hvis ikke - greit. Ha det godt.
Ja, jeg er norsk, hehe :D

thought and theory can only take one so far. i have maintained for a long time that when choosing a spiritual path, "caveat emptor" applies. nothing new needs to be gained, only illusion dropped.

the dreamworld we are exposing on this forum, imho, is mostly between our ears.
Yes, Tru3, agreed. Anyone has a gut feeling that The answer is right under our noses? It's just being overlooked because it's so easy overlook it.