DMT: Spiritual Molecule

[archangel]

Have any of you guys heard/Read about this stuff. It sound pretty crazy. It some kind of crazy drug that allows your mind to go to other dimensions.

What is DMT?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

Rich Strasman MD who has researched DMT thoroughly and written books on it.
http://rickstrassman.com/

Joe Rogan (UFC/Fear Factor comentator) talks about his DMT Experience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

[ashyr]

i read about it years ago and am very interested in DMT> now i just need to get some =D the 10 minute trip to alien las vegas aparently.

[hagbard_celine]

Damn good book! I'd say read it first, then read Graham Hancock's "Supernatural", then read "The Holotropic mind" by Stanslav Grof.

[d_young]

look up ayahuasca... its legal. :)

//Daniel

[auron]

look up ayahuasca... its legal. :)

//Daniel
Indeed! But try setting up a community in this country where we all take it together, in a controlled loving environment. No chance!!

That's why I'm off to Peru early next year! :D

Auron http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/images/smiles/happy0075.gif

[d_young]

hey man
i wanna do the same thing. I want to go somewhere nice. And Peru has seemed like an interesting place ever since i read the celestine prophecy.

//Daniel

[thoth]

Try transcendental meditation, you already have access to all of the DMT you need.

[blane777]

Ive read a little about the effects of DMT and i must say im very intrigued.i would love to try it but in all my years ive never come across any :(

[archangel]

Try transcendental meditation, you already have access to all of the DMT you need.

are u able to do this?

I see all kind of posts and links about how to learn O.B.E/astral projection, etc. But I never hear people saying they can actually do it. If you can can point me the right direction to something I don't know, I'd appreciate it.


ayahuasca???

for those of you who have tried this...Did it take you to the spirit world? 4th dimension?? LOL

I'm not really a druggy, but I wouldn't mind trying this stuff for the heck of it. :)

[hagbard_celine]

Indeed! But try setting up a community in this country where we all take it together, in a controlled loving environment. No chance!!



But if you do find a way do it quick before they criminalize it! :eek:

According to Hancock in "Supernatural", one drug that has been overlooked is Ibogaine. It gives you a trip similar to Ayahuasca but it's still as legal as aspirin...

:o Hope nobody from the illuminati is reading this. I'd better shut up about this before I give them ideas!

[ashyr]

petty human thinks he can sway the minds of gods.

why do people say "did it take you to the spirit world, the 4th dimension etc"

why is it the 4th. ? who said. and how do they know?

[holly_ocean]

DMT is a neurotransmitter.
People use ayahuasca to experience its effects.
When people take large amounts of ayhuasca or smoke DMT they may have hallucinations and other strange effects but this is because of the sizes of the doses and because the body and brain are not used to it. That is not to say people shouldn't do this. In all the accounts I have heard people ultimately seem to benefit. - just to get it in context. This is an article i wrote for my website.
I hope this information is useful.

I have taken large doses of ayahuasca a few times. The best way I can describe the experience for me is that it feels like ‘the real thing’- like waking up, like experiencing a sense of self that is more real. Since the beginning of 2006 have been taking a small spoonful every morning. The effect I notice is that I feel more awake, more content, more creative, more inspired, more aware of my surroundings, especially nature, more enjoyment and deal with everyday matters more effectively. My body and strength have improved, I think I look better and my mind is becoming freer. My sense is that it is in some respects anti-aging. I prepare a brew every few weeks and keep it in the fridge. I feel that it, like many of these botanicals, takes us to a greater sense of connection, contentment, creativity etc. I have noticed in the people who take it regularly - whether occasional large doses or frequent small supplemental doses - a tendency to move more into their feelings and a sense of immediate reality and less imprisoned by concepts and conditioning.

In the UK it is perfectly legal to use it, buy it and sell it even though this may not be the case with refined DMT, the active constituent.

DMT exists in almost all living things, but is particularly concentrated in certain South American plants. To reach the brain when taken orally these plants need to be combined with other plants which contain enzyme inhibitors called MAO inhibitors which stop the digestive enzymes breaking down the DMT. DMT acts as a neurotransmitter in the brain. It is believed by some to be crucial for ‘proper’ brain function. It is as if we are DMT deficient due to the shrinkage and hardening of the modern adult pineal gland which , is is thought, used to pump DMT out routinely. The pineal gland, deep within the brain, is the only unpaired organ in the body. Significant amounts of DMT are released in the brain at the time of birth, death, near-death experiences and other peak experiences, very likely this can happen during childbirth too and also, possibly, in an unborn baby 49 days after conception. In large doses DMT produces visions and revelations. A different sense of self may be experienced which can feel overpowering, even frightening or alien because the impressions are overwhelming to the rational mind. Ayahuasca shifts us to a totally different way of perceiving, beyond description in words. It activates receptors in the brain that have lain dormant for decades - parts of the brain that are usually unconscious - parts that can process at a level way beyond the limits of so-called normal consciousness. If we are all really part of an infinite oneness then accessing our unconscious mind gives a lot of scope for experience… It changes people’s lives. And, as more people take it, it will help change the world. When lots of people see things from the perspective that ayahuasca takes us to the ‘game’ will be up.

Large doses produce momentous experiences. Regular small doses seem to improve the connections in the brain for a happier more functional life. As we are DMT deficient ayahuasca can be viewed as a supplement. When it is available, DMT is lapped up by the brain.

The role of DMT may be its ability to adjust the spacing of the atoms of monatomic elements such as rhodium and iridium in the right hemisphere of the brain.

It is wise to be careful which foods you mix with ayahuasca. Certain foods containing the amino acid tyramine should be avoided as the MAO inhibitors prevent the proper breakdown of tyramine. Many foods contain small amounts of tyramine. Because the consequences of mixing ayahuasca and tyramine depend on how much you take it doesn’t matter having small amounts of food with small amounts of tyramine when using tiny amounts of ayahuasca as a supplement. More information about the foods to avoid can be found elsewhere including on the internet. I would caution against mixing with the following foods: bean curd, cheese, meat fish, protein extracts, sauerkraut, yeasts, alcohol, avocado, soy sauce. There are other foods too. In practice the only foods we personally avoid mixing with our daily ayahuasca dose are cheese and avocados because we don’t eat the other foods that cause a reaction.

Large doses of ayahuasca can make people nauseous anyway. Clavohuasca is sometimes used to help with this. Ayahuasca cleanses the body physically as well as emotionally.

[cruise4]

I have a friend who took DMT recently. He saw lots of Cogs and Wheels and a big gate that he didn't go through, because he freaked out over heart palpitations. I've heard no-one has ever died form these but they sound like something that needs controlling. I think most people get them. He also saw Comic Book people as he described it.

[holly_ocean]

I have a friend who took DMT recently. He saw lots of Cogs and Wheels and a big gate that he didn't go through, because he freaked out over heart palpitations. I've heard no-one has ever died form these but they sound like something that needs controlling. I think most people get them. He also saw Comic Book people as he described it.

was this smoked DMT?
seems to have quite a different effect to drinking ayahuasca
people get very different experiences but ayahuasca in a supportive environment is a life enhancing experience for many people.
small supplemental doses e.g. 1 tablespoon has helped many people have richer, more functional experiences of life
each to their own of course!
good for people to be able to make informed choice and not put off a potentially enriching experience and be able to go about in a way that is likely to be beneficial
DMT is pumped out by the pineal at birth, death, near death experiences, often in peak experiences and possibly during childbirth... it's natural
it's the way of taking it that has to be looked at

[_invisibleplane_]

mushrooms, toads, fish, plants oh my!...and of course ayahuasca..dmt can be found in so many things

the pineal gland/dmt is fascinating, finding a way to consistently produce it naturally would be such an achievement..has anyone tried working towards this?

hollyocean that sounds cool to have it be a routine morning activity..

I find it opens you up to the higher/deeper levels of existence, the ego/3d become much less significant, while the oneness connection becomes much stronger

[auron]

I find it opens you up to the higher/deeper levels of existence, the ego/3d become much less significant, while the oneness connection becomes much stronger

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_185.gif

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1741/shroompotgw4.gif

[auron]

Dr Rick Strassman Interview - DMT SpiritMolecule1of2.mp3 (http://www.nw0.info/files/eBooks%20and%20Audio%20Books/Drugs/Psychadelics/DrRickStrassmanInterview-DMTSpiritMolecule1of2.mp3) 13.7 mb
Dr Rick Strassman Interview - DMT SpiritMolecule2of2.mp3 (http://www.nw0.info/files/eBooks%20and%20Audio%20Books/Drugs/Psychadelics/DrRickStrassmanInterview-DMTSpiritMolecule2of2.mp3) 11.6 mb

DMT The Spirit Molecule - Rick Strassman.pdf (http://www.nw0.info/files/eBooks%20and%20Audio%20Books/Drugs/Psychadelics/DMT-The-spirit-molecule.-.by.Rick.Strassman.pdf)

:D

[montag]

He also saw Comic Book people as he described it.
I've seen the comic book/clown people on DMT, it's interesting how most people have similar experiences and report the same kind of beings...

I also saw this dude..

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4876/namasteev6.gif (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-07-22

[infinitetruth]

are u able to do this?

I see all kind of posts and links about how to learn O.B.E/astral projection, etc. But I never hear people saying they can actually do it. If you can can point me the right direction to something I don't know, I'd appreciate it.


ayahuasca???

for those of you who have tried this...Did it take you to the spirit world? 4th dimension?? LOL

I'm not really a druggy, but I wouldn't mind trying this stuff for the heck of it. :)

I learnt how to O.B.E from a book at the library. Its pretty easy, I can give you some lessons LOL

[cruise4]

Hi holly... yes it was smoked. montag thats a great picture! Wish we could get posters like that... probably will soon with roll out screens.

They, the NWO types, definately have something going on with the Pineal Gland. Mind Controlled victims seem to have calcium blocks and rewiring, Fluoride has something to do with it, and the vaccinations, some medicines. A deliberate targetting. Going from accrued memory so excuse any error.

I'd love to expirement with some of this stuff... but I have to admit to being quite fearful after a few bad trips in the past. I don't think I'm quite right in my personality, without knowing exactly what, something seems fragile.

I Love to hear other peoples experiences though.

[holly_ocean]

[QUOTE=cruise4;82996]Hi holly... yes it was smoked. montag thats a great picture! Wish we could get posters like that... probably will soon with roll out screens.

They, the NWO types, definately have something going on with the Pineal Gland. Mind Controlled victims seem to have calcium blocks and rewiring, Fluoride has something to do with it, and the vaccinations, some medicines. A deliberate targetting. QUOTE]

agree
also chemtrails, mobile masts, depleted uranium seem to affect pineal, also aspartame i think - anyway we get the gist!!!
getting the pineal gland going again seems to be where its at
i think ayahuasca supplementation (eg a tablespoon weak brew in morning, being careful not to mix it with foods it doesn't go with) can help also of course things like meditation and various lifestyle choices
and it's not 'a trip' just a gentle stimualtion of higher awareness using a substance (DMT) that is probably supposed to be there anyway. I've had some scary experiences with large amounts and much as it didn't do me any harm in fact totally the opposite i am still a bit in trepidation of large amounts... Many people have told me the supplementation of small amounts helps them

[holly_ocean]

mushrooms, toads, fish, plants oh my!...and of course ayahuasca..dmt can be found in so many things

the pineal gland/dmt is fascinating, finding a way to consistently produce it naturally would be such an achievement..has anyone tried working towards this?

hollyocean that sounds cool to have it be a routine morning activity..

I find it opens you up to the higher/deeper levels of existence, the ego/3d become much less significant, while the oneness connection becomes much stronger

yeah it feels good!
and agree with you
a few minutes after taking it (1 tablespoon weak home-brewed ayahuasca) i feel much more awake.
easy solutions to what seem like unsurmountable problems come into my head
tiresome tasks seem to feel more fun as i can put more love into them
i think it's closer to how we are 'meant' to feel and operate

[thoth]

the pineal gland/dmt is fascinating, finding a way to consistently produce it naturally would be such an achievement..has anyone tried working towards this?


Yes! During meditation. Its not easy, but once you open the door, it becomes less difficult each time. Someone talked about wheels and doorways, well thats exactly it, except I didn't have a choice the porthole sucked me in!

[thoth]

are u able to do this?

I see all kind of posts and links about how to learn O.B.E/astral projection, etc. But I never hear people saying they can actually do it. If you can can point me the right direction to something I don't know, I'd appreciate it.


ayahuasca???

for those of you who have tried this...Did it take you to the spirit world? 4th dimension?? LOL

I'm not really a druggy, but I wouldn't mind trying this stuff for the heck of it. :)

Yes, quite often. Its something you must experience yourself, but its up there with the testimonies I have heard about dmt and other psychadelics. Meditation is all we need, the dmt is already there. Some people are meditating, but not transcedental. Transcedental requires much moe focus. It may be uncomfortable at first.

[saty]

Common experiences with ayahuasco is encouter with reptilians and greys:eek::eek:
I am not sure i would take it after hearing that.

[unlockthepower]

The book and the 2 documentaries are both very interesting. I've also listened to a few interviews with Rick Strassman and in one of them he says the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry helped fund his study and in another one he talks about reptillian/insectoid entities (that some of the test subjects encountered) and the possible negative side.

[blackstar76]

are u able to do this?

I see all kind of posts and links about how to learn O.B.E/astral projection, etc. But I never hear people saying they can actually do it. If you can can point me the right direction to something I don't know, I'd appreciate it.


ayahuasca???

for those of you who have tried this...Did it take you to the spirit world? 4th dimension?? LOL

I'm not really a druggy, but I wouldn't mind trying this stuff for the heck of it. :)

Have not found any yet. Read up on how to make it myself. But it's complicated and some of the ingredients sounds nasty. Plus I can't have a chemical lab in my apt. May lead to me burning down the entire building down with people dying. Not worth it.

Pyote was the only spirit drug I have done. It was powerful and unlike anything I have experienced. But I was young, troubled and never did it in ideal conditions or on a clean diet. Still time stopped and it told me things about myself. Stuff I didn't want to hear though.

Shrooms can be a spiritual trip also if done right. Not putting on headphones and listening to dark side of the moon. Or at a rave or amusment park like me. Still I find it too much like LSD and feel dirty from it.

My advice is to travel and do the real thing in it's natural form. One day I shall make it to Peru. Do DMT and check out ancient cities while I am there. Can't wait.

[saty]

Yes, quite often. Its something you must experience yourself, but its up there with the testimonies I have heard about dmt and other psychadelics. Meditation is all we need, the dmt is already there. Some people are meditating, but not transcedental. Transcedental requires much moe focus. It may be uncomfortable at first.

i like your approach.DMT can never replace meditation.

[skeptik]

I have a friend who took DMT recently. He saw lots of Cogs and Wheels and a big gate that he didn't go through, because he freaked out over heart palpitations.

salvia divinorum also brings on a feeling of multiple spinning cogs and wheels. although not chemically related to DMT, some of the effects sound very similar (i've tried SD but not DMT). look up Terence McKenna on youtube talking about salvia.

[creation]

This drug is evil... like many other drugs it will only open yourself up to evil spirits. DMT is especially bad at this as many people report they see alien/demon type figures when they take it. The bible says to keep a clear head and not to take any mind altering substances that could affect our judgement.

[saty]

This drug is evil... like many other drugs it will only open yourself up to evil spirits. DMT is especially bad at this as many people report they see alien/demon type figures when they take it. The bible says to keep a clear head and not to take any mind altering substances that could affect our judgement.

that pretty much sums it up.

[dmt head]

This drug is evil... like many other drugs it will only open yourself up to evil spirits. DMT is especially bad at this as many people report they see alien/demon type figures when they take it. The bible says to keep a clear head and not to take any mind altering substances that could affect our judgement.

Evil? Speaking fromexperience? Didn't think so! Who gives a shit what the bible says? I'd rather trust my own mind and experiences than some book peddled by crazy people! I mean people have Been drinking ayahuasca before the bible was written! Seems to me the psychedelic experience threatens the bible bashers and the meditation crowd, they're loss and I'm not going to force my view on others, unlike them and there judgemental arrogant ways!

[creation]

Evil? Speaking fromexperience? Didn't think so! Who gives a shit what the bible says? I'd rather trust my own mind and experiences than some book peddled by crazy people! I mean people have Been drinking ayahuasca before the bible was written! Seems to me the psychedelic experience threatens the bible bashers and the meditation crowd, they're loss and I'm not going to force my view on others, unlike them and there judgemental arrogant ways!

Actually ive tried salvia before, and it wasn't a pleasant experience. The people in the bible were actualy more sane then anyone we've seen in modern times, i'd like to see you call the apostle paul crazy or mosses crazy back in the day. I think it would be you who's exposed as being the crazy one, as its you who needs the mind altering drugs to be able to make sense of reality, without them your a lost sheep.

In 2 Timothy 4:5-15 it says: "But you should keep a clear mind in every situation. Don't be afraid of suffering for the Lord. Work at bringing others to Christ."

Clearly taking psychedelics does not do this and will make you vulnerable to attacks by the spirit world, especially DMT where many have reported to seeing alien type beings; eg demons.

But I have nothing against Cannabis if its used for medical purposes. I actually have some magic mushroom spores from when i was experimenting in the psychedelics realm, but now i know better.

[dmt head]

Is that why your so pious because you know better now? Funny, also why would your gOd create us with this evil molecule within everyone of us? Doesn't make your evil claim stand up I'm afraid!

[octopusrex]

Actually ive tried salvia before, and it wasn't a pleasant experience. The people in the bible were actualy more sane then anyone we've seen in modern times, i'd like to see you call the apostle paul crazy or mosses crazy back in the day. I think it would be you who's exposed as being the crazy one, as its you who needs the mind altering drugs to be able to make sense of reality, without them your a lost sheep.

In 2 Timothy 4:5-15 it says: "But you should keep a clear mind in every situation. Don't be afraid of suffering for the Lord. Work at bringing others to Christ."

Clearly taking psychedelics does not do this and will make you vulnerable to attacks by the spirit world, especially DMT where many have reported to seeing alien type beings; eg demons.

But I have nothing against Cannabis if its used for medical purposes. I actually have some magic mushroom spores from when i was experimenting in the psychedelics realm, but now i know better.

Your ingorance is painful to my mind.

[creation]

Your ingorance is painful to my mind.

Please explain? I would be intrigued at how you came to that assertion. :p

[creation]

Is that why your so pious because you know better now? Funny, also why would your gOd create us with this evil molecule within everyone of us? Doesn't make your evil claim stand up I'm afraid!

"evil molecule" please explain?

[dmt head]

"evil molecule" please explain?


You said this drug is evil, so god created us with this evil drug in us as it is found in the human body, so please explain why he did this?

[jesusistruth]

I mean people have Been drinking ayahuasca before the bible was written!

In societies where they eventually ended up sacrificing people on top of five storey pyraminds...

[dmt head]

In societies where they eventually ended up sacrificing people on top of five storey pyraminds...

Like who?

[trappedinameatsuit]

This drug is evil... like many other drugs it will only open yourself up to evil spirits. DMT is especially bad at this as many people report they see alien/demon type figures when they take it. The bible says to keep a clear head and not to take any mind altering substances that could affect our judgement.So what about the references in the bible to eating "Scrolls"? I doubt it was a literal peice of paper rolled up for someone to shove down their pie hole.

1Then He said to me, “Son of man, eat what you find; eat this scroll, and go, speak to the house of Israel.” 2So I opened my mouth, and He fed me this scroll. 3He said to me, “Son of man, feed your stomach and fill your body with this scroll which I am giving you.” Then I ate it, and it was sweet as honey in my mouth.


9So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, "Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey." 10I took the little scroll from the angel's hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11Then I was told, "You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings."

Rev. 10:1

There's probably more but I don't feel like looking them all up, the first ones in the ezekiel chapter somewhere.

[jesusistruth]

Like who?

Mayan, incas... That's where it comes from, isn't it?

And that it would occur naturally in our brains is just what the establishment has told us. And now they want to market it as a Savior drug.

[creation]

You said this drug is evil, so god created us with this evil drug in us as it is found in the human body, so please explain why he did this?

After the fall of man (adam and eve taking the apple) lots of things were put on this earth that should not of been their, for example in the bible it says thorns u get on plants were only placed on earth as a punishment for sin.

Or maybe psychedelics are part of the eco-system and were never intended for humans to eat?

Anyway you can keep doing the dmt if you want, but i don't think it will be a good idea to be on that stuff when Jesus returns to earth (could happen any time now).

[dmt head]

Mayan, incas... That's where it comes from, isn't it?

And that it would occur naturally in our brains is just what the establishment has told us. And now they want to market it as a Savior drug.

So your just making things up then aye? Any evidence that the mayans and incas drank it? Who's marketing it as a saviour drug? Think your getting confused with the bible lol And science has proved that it is endogenous to the human body, please explain why your god created us with the evil within, go gimme a laugh lol

[dmt head]

After the fall of man (adam and eve taking the apple) lots of things were put on this earth that should not of been their, for example in the bible it says thorns u get on plants were only placed on earth as a punishment for sin.

Or maybe psychedelics are part of the eco-system and were never intended for humans to eat?

Anyway you can keep doing the dmt if you want, but i don't think it will be a good idea to be on that stuff when Jesus returns to earth (could happen any time now).

That's just bollocks mate though come on now!

So he put Dmt in us why? For our sins?

[creation]

That's just bollocks mate though come on now!

So he put Dmt in us why? For our sins?

My mistake i didn't see this topic was referring to the research done by Dr. Rick Strassman.

I have read that humans may have minute amounts of DMT naturally in their body but i do not think taking the substance separately is the way to seek God.

To seek God, we have fasting, prayer, alms (all in secret)... and any manner of good deeds while trying very hard to abstain from sin.

The bible didn't say that we need to take mind altering substances to be able to seek him. Nothing can be trusted under the influence of such things. And it can open doorways to manipulation you do not want opened.

Jesus well detailed the methods I list above [prayer, fasting, etc]. There were hallucinogenic drugs at the time. These are not just things used by "shamans" in the Amazon, by no means, they have been used by countless cultures through out the world for millenia.

This does not mean I would rule out any and every practice without considering context and heart. [Meaning maybe somebody way out in the wild who actually may have Christ in their heart but no bible, might not know better. That is just theoretical.]

[jesusistruth]

So your just making things up then aye? Any evidence that the mayans and incas drank it? Who's marketing it as a saviour drug? Think your getting confused with the bible lol And science has proved that it is endogenous to the human body, please explain why your god created us with the evil within, go gimme a laugh lol

Define "science"? A report you read in a magazine written by people you know nothing about? Unless you have the tools to see for yourself you don't know what you're talking about.

I only know of Ayahacusa being drunk in the american continent.

This also made me think, that their genocide probably was required by the amount of sin they aquired. Because that is how sin works. It will eventually require your blood to be spilled unless you are forgiven.

[dmt head]

I didnt say it is a way to reach god, your the one saying that! You said it is evil and your explanation about god Putting things here that shouldn't have been is just crazy nonsense, like bill hicks said did he stash fossils here to test our faith in him? I think god if he exists would be ashamed of these crackpot theory's you lot spout, I mean he did put Dmt in our bodies, wether that suits your world view or not, a different scientist would have disproved this, I mean to say otherwise is just stupid! God wants you to smoke Dmt why else would it be in everything and in everyone, it makes god happy when you do! I think it makes him unhappy all these loon balls sucking up to him and claiming to work on his behalf and spouting there version of how he created things they read in a book. Get real! It's a part of the human experience and it's there to be Explored! Evil me arse!

[jesusistruth]

I didnt say it is a way to reach god, your the one saying that!

Then why waste time on it?


You said it is evil and your explanation about god Putting things here that shouldn't have been is just crazy nonsense, like bill hicks said did he stash fossils here to test our faith in him? I think god if he exists would be ashamed of these crackpot theory's you lot spout, I mean he did put Dmt in our bodies, wether that suits your world view or not, a different scientist would have disproved this, I mean to say otherwise is just stupid!

Fossils prove the Bible more than it disproves it, because genetic corruption did occur before the flood and conditions like the flood are necessary for there to be fossils (mineral rich water and preassure fast).

Moreover God cursed the earth. So don't think everything that comes from is is supposed to be good.


God wants you to smoke Dmt why else would it be in everything and in everyone, it makes god happy when you do! I think it makes him unhappy all these loon balls sucking up to him and claiming to work on his behalf and spouting there version of how he created things they read in a book. Get real! It's a part of the human experience and it's there to be Explored! Evil me arse!

Still you don't actually know if we have DMT in our brains. Popular science is controlled like everything else.

[octopusrex]

Please explain? I would be intrigued at how you came to that assertion. :p

So aliens are demons? And DMT makes you VULNERABLE to attack?. And this from a fellow who just really tried Salvia.

If you knew anything about the "spirit" world, you would understand the only attacks there are from your own dark ego.

[octopusrex]

In societies where they eventually ended up sacrificing people on top of five storey pyraminds...

Oh, and Chrstians dont sacrifice folks? What about Catholics? They velieve in Jesus. Or Plymuth Rock Puritans? We at least BUILT pyramids.

So, sir, permit me to call you a RACIST HASSHOLE and drink a little of your own medicine.

[creation]

So aliens are demons? And DMT makes you VULNERABLE to attack?. And this from a fellow who just really tried Salvia.

If you knew anything about the "spirit" world, you would understand the only attacks there are from your own dark ego.

Um yes aliens are demons, this has been well documented as being the case. Having a distorted mind can make you vulnerable to demonic attacks, and i tried salvia a few years ago, hardly recent.

Thank you come again. :p

[octopusrex]

Um yes aliens are demons, this has been well documented as being the case. Having a distorted mind can make you vulnerable to demonic attacks, and i tried salvia a few years ago, hardly recent.

Thank you come again. :p

All the demons I know are humans who practice inmorality by saying they know the absolute truth when it is ovious they are simply ignorant and dont want to learn anything. Folks like you.

[creation]

All the demons I know are humans who practice inmorality by saying they know the absolute truth when it is ovious they are simply ignorant and dont want to learn anything. Folks like you.

You don't have a clue.

[logos880]

This drug is evil... like many other drugs it will only open yourself up to evil spirits. DMT is especially bad at this as many people report they see alien/demon type figures when they take it. The bible says to keep a clear head and not to take any mind altering substances that could affect our judgement.

It all depends on the state of mind of the person who takes the drug. Some people have positive experiences and some people have negative experiences. Taking a drug does not necessarily equate to poor judgement. Remember, alcohol is a drug and Jesus turned water into wine. :)

[logos880]

You said this drug is evil, so god created us with this evil drug in us as it is found in the human body, so please explain why he did this?

Moderation is the key. DMT can be good or evil, depending upon how it is used.

[creation]

It all depends on the state of mind of the person who takes the drug. Some people have positive experiences and some people have negative experiences. Taking a drug does not necessarily equate to poor judgement. Remember, alcohol is a drug and Jesus turned water into wine. :)

Did he drink the Alcohol? furthermore i don't think the wine in those days was fermented.

[logos880]

Did he drink the Alcohol? furthermore i don't think the wine in those days was fermented.

The point is that he intended for those at the party to drink the wine, so we must conclude that Jesus was endorsing the drinking of said wine. As far as the content of that wine, who knows for sure? So I'll continue to assume that wine back then is like wine today: alcoholic.

Ephesians 5:18 "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit."

You can't get drunk on non-alcoholic wine! Moderation is the key; avoid excess. :D

[creation]

The point is that he intended for those at the party to drink the wine, so we must conclude that Jesus was endorsing the drinking of said wine. As far as the content of that wine, who knows for sure? So I'll continue to assume that wine back then is like wine today: alcoholic.

Ephesians 5:18 "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit."

You can't get drunk on non-alcoholic wine! Moderation is the key; avoid excess. :D

Nowhere in scripture do we find Jesus drinking alcoholic wine. Alcohol is destructive and addictive. It is a depressant drug that actually attacks the brain cells and destroys them, do you think Jesus would do that?

The wine in those days was actually more like grape juice, they didn't add yeast or sugar to it so it wasn't the 15% alcoholic wine we see today, they also mixed it with water.

here's an interesting article: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Alcohol%20Kills/jesus_and_wine.htm

[logos880]

Nowhere in scripture do we find Jesus drinking alcoholic wine. Alcohol is destructive and addictive. It is a depressant drug that actually attacks the brain cells and destroys them, do you think Jesus would do that?

Jesus didn't get married either! Bottom line, if Jesus didn't want folks drinking wine I don't think he would have made it from water, do you?

The wine in those days was actually more like grape juice, they didn't add yeast or sugar to it so it wasn't the 15% alcoholic wine we see today, they also mixed it with water.

here's an interesting article: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Alcohol%20Kills/jesus_and_wine.htm

How does one get "drunk" from drinking grape juice? The reason I posted the ephesians verse is because it actually refers to drunkeness as a potential effect of drinking wine, how could that be if wine, at that time, was non-alcoholic?

[octopusrex]

Moderation is the key. DMT can be good or evil, depending upon how it is used.

Exactly. But my point is that it is a transforming experience anyway. You face your own demons, you are going to have a breakthrough althought the experience might be traumatic. ;)

[octopusrex]

Did he drink the Alcohol? furthermore i don't think the wine in those days was fermented.

Dude. You dont have a clue. The jews back then anointed themselves with cannabis oil. That is why Jesus is the "anointed one". Dude used to get seriously stoned. His speeches make me sure of that.:D

[logos880]

Exactly. But my point is that it is a transforming experience anyway. You face your own demons, you are going to have a breakthrough althought the experience might be traumatic. ;)

True...to a certain extent. I think an overly traumatic experience might be regressive rather than progressive if the person is not mature enough to handle it. But everyone gets what they deserve I suppose. :p

[octopusrex]

True...to a certain extent. I think an overly traumatic experience might be regressive rather than progressive if the person is not mature enough to handle it. But everyone gets what they deserve I suppose. :p

Agreed............. soooooooo...

How many times have you ridden the Green Dragon?

[logos880]

Agreed............. soooooooo...

How many times have you ridden the Green Dragon?

Let's just say that I've ridden many dragons many times! :D

[octopusrex]

Let's just say that I've ridden many dragons many times! :D

I kinda knew that about you. We dont always agree on stuff, but tell me something else, have you read the Baghavad Gita or the Srimad Baghavatam?:)

[logos880]

I kinda knew that about you. We dont always agree on stuff, but tell me something else, have you read the Baghavad Gita or the Srimad Baghavatam?:)

Hopefully that wasn't too obvious. ;)

I have read bits and pieces of the baghavad gita but none of the srimad baghavatam. Why do you ask?

[octopusrex]

Hopefully that wasn't too obvious. ;)

I have read bits and pieces of the baghavad gita but none of the srimad baghavatam. Why do you ask?

Because if you read them well, all your biblical questions will be answsered. You really have to see the three great books, Gita, Bible and Koran as histories which somehow connect to each other in most surprizing ways. If you get stuck on only one, then your learning gets confused and you miss the point of all 3.

And about ridding dragons, you are pretty transparent in your posts. You should have not let go so easy. You still have a lot to learn from the ethers. In fact, you never really stop learning. That is why DMT is all about death, because its about learning to die effectively.

[logos880]

Because if you read them well, all your biblical questions will be answsered. You really have to see the three great books, Gita, Bible and Koran as histories which somehow connect to each other in most surprizing ways. If you get stuck on only one, then your learning gets confused and you miss the point of all 3.

How do they connect?

And about ridding dragons, you are pretty transparent in your posts. You should have not let go so easy.

Riding 'dragons' means whatever you want it to mean. What do you really know about me and what do I really know about you? Ultimately, I'm endorsing moderation in whatever an individual decides to do...so long as that individual does not impact the wellbeing of another negatively.

You still have a lot to learn from the ethers. In fact, you never really stop learning. That is why DMT is all about death, because its about learning to die effectively.

Answers lead to more questions. Everyone should be learning until the day they die. :)

[octopusrex]

How do they connect?



Riding 'dragons' means whatever you want it to mean. What do you really know about me and what do I really know about you? Ultimately, I'm endorsing moderation in whatever an individual decides to do...so long as that individual does not impact the wellbeing of another negatively.



Answers lead to more questions. Everyone should be learning until the day they die. :)

The conections between Islam, Christianity and Hindusim have well recorded histories, and they are far too many and too difficult to expalin here. But I will give you a hint. One mans Asura is another mans Asura-Mazda. One mans Deva is another mans Devil. Somewhere in the middle, probably in Shikland, lies the truth.

Basically, if you take Jesus seriously, then he must be Siva. My take on the issue.

[logos880]

The conections between Islam, Christianity and Hindusim have well recorded histories, and they are far too many and too difficult to expalin here. But I will give you a hint. One mans Asura is another mans Asura-Mazda. One mans Deva is another mans Devil. Somewhere in the middle, probably in Shikland, lies the truth.

Interesting

Basically, if you take Jesus seriously, then he must be Siva. My take on the issue.

What makes you say that?

[octopusrex]

Interesting



What makes you say that?

In Hindusim, the 3 aspects of Divinity are:

Brahma - Creator
Visnu - Sustainer
Siva - Destroyer

Basically, if you read the apocalipsis, you realize that Jesus comes on as the "destroyer" that must judge the souls who are scheduled for eternal oblivion. That sounds like something Siva would do.

Of course, where the Bible gets into serious philosophical trouble is in its concept of "time". The Hindus, in the Gita, have correctly guessed the identity of "God" as "time". The Jews try to make a connection, but their timekeeping is shit. Imagine a world that is only 5,000 years old (according to the generations of the Jews). Now compare that with the Yugas which the Gita speaks of. If rality is a cyclical event (which I believe), then the correct version of time is in the Vedas, not the old testament.

[saty]

Dmt is evil and dangerous.
You risk it with reptilians and greys, they can test you,fuck you,abuse you,start visiting you in your dreams daily or kill you.If your looking for any of those things then dmt is the way to go

[logos880]

In Hindusim, the 3 aspects of Divinity are:

Brahma - Creator
Visnu - Sustainer
Siva - Destroyer

Basically, if you read the apocalipsis, you realize that Jesus comes on as the "destroyer" that must judge the souls who are scheduled for eternal oblivion. That sounds like something Siva would do.

Viewing Jesus as a "destroyer" doesn't really fit with his character from the bible as far as I'm concerned.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Of course, where the Bible gets into serious philosophical trouble is in its concept of "time". The Hindus, in the Gita, have correctly guessed the identity of "God" as "time". The Jews try to make a connection, but their timekeeping is shit. Imagine a world that is only 5,000 years old (according to the generations of the Jews). Now compare that with the Yugas which the Gita speaks of. If rality is a cyclical event (which I believe), then the correct version of time is in the Vedas, not the old testament.

The young earth theory is an interpretation of genesis not necessarily a fact.

[octopusrex]

Viewing Jesus as a "destroyer" doesn't really fit with his character from the bible as far as I'm concerned.





The young earth theory is an interpretation of genesis not necessarily a fact.

Are you sure? In Revelations he pours a whole lotta hell-juice on us all. Thats Siva work. :p

[logos880]

Are you sure? In Revelations he pours a whole lotta hell-juice on us all. Thats Siva work. :p

Which verses are you referring to specifically?