Australian Indigenous Aboriginals.

[aznality]

Recently they have been all over the news, and now they are sending soldiers over to Darwin to "fix up" the race? What do you people reckon? Think the media is overexaggerating the Aboriginal issue a little?

-Aznality

[synergy777]

the most passive peaceful people, the aboriginies, native americans, africans are the ones who get trampled on. its pretty disgusting how they have been blotted out of history. the stark contrast between europeans, americans crying about immigration, when they have stolen lands, and are invaders/immigrants themselves, shows the true levels of pious hyprocracy we have become immune to.

they should have their own lands, etc comphensation. people get money from mcdonalds for their coffee being too hot, these people get robbed/genocide, and yet still suffer, the worlds mad.

[lumukanda]

until native people are given the respect, and at least a symbolic apology for the genocide they've had to endure, nothing about this overexaggerated.
do you know that aborigines were classified as fauna until the the 60's (i think)? if your entire culture is obliterated out from under you, you are rudderless, no wonder drugs and alchoholism are the order of the day, in fact i'll go one further and say there's a damn good chance the drugs and alcohol were introduced on purpose to keep these people down, they did it in south africa, they did it in china, not such a far stretch really.

[synergy777]

luma, good post bro. being a white guy, and you still speak fairly, its good, one love bro. i can't believe they were classified as fauna, dude thats fucked. i know africans in america were considered sub human, livestock for tax purposes. its sickening and infuriating. although jesse owens in the german olympics, soon shut up the european messiah hitler.

we have a lot of things to open up for frank disscussion, before people let go of past crimes, but i think once they see the elites hidden hand, they will wake up. 1 love bro, peace

[archangel]

the most passive peaceful people, the aboriginies, native americans, africans are the ones who get trampled on. its pretty disgusting how they have been blotted out of history. the stark contrast between europeans, americans crying about immigration, when they have stolen lands, and are invaders/immigrants themselves, shows the true levels of pious hyprocracy we have become immune to.

they should have their own lands, etc comphensation. people get money from mcdonalds for their coffee being too hot, these people get robbed/genocide, and yet still suffer, the worlds mad.

Africans are passive and peaceful???
surely you must be joking there.

The crime statistics are overwhelmed by the black race.
if you go to Africa the continet is in ruins. Muder, Gangs, Rape, etc. is an everyday occurance. It is the most uncivilized continent on the face of the planet.

What is this talk about compensation? Who should be compensated? Who should compensate them?

[synergy777]

africans are also dumb, they welcomed you white imperial resource grabbing, slavemasters as brothers. now the game is up, you don't enjoy the white power illusion, as we know better. archangel, my arse.

maybe due to lack of resources, lack of opportunity, they resort to crime to make fast money. after all look at the educated peeps in suits, what motivation do they have for their crimes, pension funds, enslavement of their brother sheep, enron/govt etc. i think you should mature, educate yourself, as i have lost the joy of talking to ignorant imbeciles like you. i use to enjoy it, but its so last season darling, its just funny. its sad, you suffer from delusion by believing in illusion, panic stricken, last days for your raj. i feel sorry for brothers like lumukanda, you are an outdated disgrace.

see try doing that now, try taking china, arabia, india, brazil, you will learn of the loyalty you masters have for you, ps, they don't have any loyalty. they just capitalise on your ignorance, and use you, you iz there bitches, they iz your pimp, lol, and your sell by date is approaching fast.

maybe they learnt their bad ways from you, after all you are the masters of it, the pioneers of many a good trade lol

[archangel]

Synergy777, I could not understand half of your post? Nor do I understand you need to insult me? I never made any derogatory comments. My Ancentors were not slave masters either. They were fishermen and Pilots from Naples, Italy. I guess you look at all whites today as decendants of slave owners who are out to keep the african race suppressed? That seems like a racist comment to me if I've ever seen one :rolleyes:

I'm Not trying to deliberately upset anyone here.

I'm just relaying the facts. I never said blacks/africans should not have equal opportunites. I just said they are very prone to crime and vilolence. Statistics overwhelmingly show this all a cross the world.

Slavery was in deed very wrong. I'd also like to mention that people of white decent where slaves throughout history as well. Black Slavery and the slave trade started long before whites came to Africa. African tribes will conquer other tribes and take them as their slaves. When whites eventually went to Africa, Many times they purchased these slaves from the Africans them selves. They sold their own race to the white man.

Despite all of the efforts and money sent to Africa, they have not been able to set up any form of civilizated community to date. It is rampant with drugs,murder, plunder, gangs and rape.

In recent History, South Africa was colonized by whites. and up untill about 10 years ago. They had segragation laws. Meaning it was an all white region by law. They developed their small country into a good economy, they had farms, nice clean towns/cities, a very low crime rate,Tourism, etc. It was a very prosperous place. Eventually the native africans got the segragation bill thrown out as they were angered that this land used to be theirs. (despite the fact that they still had 95% of their continent to build their communities on, They demanded they be allowed the right to live in South Africa. Presumeably b/c it was the nicest place in Africa due to its recent renovations and agriculture by the whites who colonized it)

the Blacks over ran South Africa and now the place is in ruins once again.
Not to mention they killed many of the whites for being on "their" land.

Here is a good study on different statistics amonst races.

http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm


I am not trying to cause a race war here. But lets not get carried away saying that Africans are ""PASSIVE"" and """PEACEFUL""". That is about the farthest from the truth as you get when you apply a generalization as you did.

[lumukanda]

Africans are passive and peaceful???
surely you must be joking there.

The crime statistics are overwhelmed by the black race.
if you go to Africa the continet is in ruins. Muder, Gangs, Rape, etc. is an everyday occurance. It is the most uncivilized continent on the face of the planet.

What is this talk about compensation? Who should be compensated? Who should compensate them?

go to any african village and you will see the real africa my friend, screw what's going on in the cities.
africa is in ruins, yes that's true, funny how you fail to mention how after colonization the whites retained power, not politically, but economically (de beers, shell, BP, the list goes on and on).
don't mention the fact that democratically elected governments are shunned by the west because they don't like their politics, and therefore withhold any aid that would normally be forthcoming.
don't mention how drugs are planted in their neighbourhoods by various intelligence agencies in order to bring these people to their knees, it was done in south africa, in fact even today follow the drug money and you end up with a white guy, in south africa, they're russians.
don't mention the fact that their culture was uprooted, their land given away and this continues to this day.
don't mention the fact that their traditional cultures were replaced by western slave religions, leaving these people with a morality they don't understand, one that is alien to them.
don't mention the fact that their traditional laws, which worked for thousands of years, were replaced by western, mainly british, law systems, leaving them unable to understand why rapists and murderers are set free.
don't take into account that their heritage has been portrayed as savage and barbarian when they discovered things like maths, astronomy, astrology, their artifacts stolen, their holy sites desecrated (kariba), and their entire history relegated to basically that they were waiting for us to arrive and build them roads and schools and hospitals.
don't mention how africa is the biggest lab in the world, testing drugs on people there, or selling them drugs banned in western countries.
and never forget that there are good and bad people no matter where you are, take all this into account and maybe you can begin to see why africa is in the state it's in, no it's not all the white man's fault, there were plenty of black guys more than willing to sell their brethren out (mugabe, sesse seko, amin to name a few), but the white people, the colonizers have a lot to answer for, some want compensation, but most just want the british, the germans, the portugese, the french and the arabs to admit they were wrong, and some kind of symbolic gesture could be forthcoming, like i dunno, helping emerging african farmers out with grants (small price to pay for uprooting and dehumanising and entire continent).
anyone can watch a tv and see how fucked africa is, but by the same token i could say that every american is a redneck, i saw it on tv, come to africa, see the hospitality of a family with barely enough to eat themselves offer you the lion's share of their meal, that is to be humbled my friend, i was in a mozambiquan village once, and i was in an old ladiy's yard, she must have been 90, she walked up to me with half a brick in her hand and gave it to me, i didn't know what she wanted me to do with it until i realised it was the only form of seating she had, she slept and ate off the ground. that humbled me in a way that i cannot even begin to explain, a brick, her only chair, and i could have it.
you cannot understand africa unless you've been here, contrast doesn't even begin to explain it, it is special, it engulfs your whole soul, and to see it in the state that is in, what it's children are made to live like, i could cry and never stop, and all the while, the children smile like only children can.

[archangel]

Yes

I am sure there is merit to things you are saying but to credit these things as the majority of the problem is taking it very far off the deep end.

Corrupt forces are at work in every place of the globe. Africa is the most under develpoped and uncivilized. They need to stand on their own feet a little instead of always looking for handouts. It was underdeveloped and chaotic before the white man ever stuck his nose in there.

Should the Africans take no responsibilities for themselves? Show me one place on earth, anywhere; Where the population is predominantly black in which the country is economically, politically, and culterly stable with low crime rates?

Everyone can believe what you they want.

but the bottom line is this.

The African Race when compared with other races is not ""passive"" or "'peacefull"". That is a fact. The Oriental Race is one which can be considered ""passive"" wheh you analyze it from a broad spectrum.

I'm still confused on why Synergy777 feels they should be compensated?

[lumukanda]

In recent History, South Africa was colonized by whites. and up untill about 10 years ago. They had segragation laws. Meaning it was an all white region by law. They developed their small country into a good economy, they had farms, nice clean towns/cities, a very low crime rate,Tourism, etc. It was a very prosperous place. Eventually the native africans got the segragation bill thrown out as they were angered that this land used to be theirs. (despite the fact that they still had 95% of their continent to build their communities on, They demanded they be allowed the right to live in South Africa. Presumeably b/c it was the nicest place in Africa due to its recent renovations and agriculture by the whites who colonized it)

the Blacks over ran South Africa and now the place is in ruins once again.
Not to mention they killed many of the whites for being on "their" land.


where to start? let's start with the 'native africans get the segregation bill thrown out'. in 1988 white south africans voted in a referendum to decide whether the apartheid laws should remain in place, white people voted in favour of abolishing apartheid, not blacks, they had no political power at all, so how it is they got this bill thrown out is beyond me, in fact even after the referendum, apartheid laws still remained in force (in fact some still are, mainly wrt to terrorism etc) until the government was dissolved and an interim was established.

south africa under apartheid was stable, the economy was good, sure, it was kept that way under the barrel of a gun, steve biko died of flu after falling in the shower.
people of colour had no freedom of movement, being out after hours required a pass, failure to produce on meant immediate arrest and a very real possibility of having the shit beaten out of you.
black people were shot on the side of the street for minor offences, i know this because a good friend of mine's dad is a cop, and had no compunction bragging about it.
when i was a boy i saw an older man, maybe in his 50's, beaten within an inch of life by the police. why? he'd taken fruit from one of my neighbours trees, the cunt stood and watched, then when the fruit was returned to him, he threw it in the bin, he wasn't eating it, a 'kaffir' had touched it.
black people were either relocated to 'bantustan homeland', usually led by corrupt yes men, or if they were 'lucky' enough to live in the city, they were made to live in townships, very often in corrugated iron shacks, this continues to this day.
now if this is what it took to keep us in nice neat little towns, well, could you live with yourself?

and then, last but not least, what's this about africans claiming land that doesn't belong to them, they've got 95% of africa to choose from?
a little history lesson, around the time the whites arrived in southern africa, between the 1500's and the 1600's, tribes of african began to move down the eastern coast and into the north of what is today south africa, they were not the first people there, this region was populated by the nomadic khoi-khoi and bushmen people.
the whites arrived in the southwest of the country around the same time, by the 1700's, whites and blacks had met each other around the southeast of the country, many wars were fought, many sides lost many lives, the british were defeated at one point by the zulus.
when apartheid was founded in the 40's (actually the british started it with the native land act of 1910, which severley curtailed what land blacks could own), the people that were forceably removed from their land, had been living their for close on 300 years, now if thats not ownership, i don't know what is.
demanded the right to live in south africa? i would too if i was born there, this is the funniest thing about south africa, neither white nor black has real claim to the land, the khoi-khoi and the bushmen were either bred out (in the case of the xhosa tribe), or killed (smallpox infected blankets was a popular choice), leaving only a remnant of a most amazing people.

so nice try, but you have a lot to learn about africa, i am surprised that having read icke some of these things should be obvious.
may i suggest that you read credo mutwa's 'indaba, my children'? it is a really informative book on africa, not only excellently written, but specifically done during apartheid years by credo to try and give the white people of africa something to try and better understand their black neighbours. give it a try, you won't be disappointed.

[archangel]

and the point of your post is what??

Do you want me to post information about how many african nations/socieities treat the white man?

You are getting off topic here.

The point I was trying to make here is that in no way shape or form should the black race be considered """Passive""" or """Peaceful"""". Statistically, they are shown to be the most aggressive and violent.

and I was merely asking....""Why should they be compensated? Who should compensate them?? and what should be given to them??"""

I don't know why you are going off on a tangeant here? :confused:

[aznality]

until native people are given the respect, and at least a symbolic apology for the genocide they've had to endure, nothing about this overexaggerated.

Hang on a sec, I actually meant how lately in the media they are reported to have drunken attitudes and abuse their children on a large scale. That's the overexaggerated part I was talking about. I just think the gov aren't being fair, as they are portraying them in a bad light. And the Aborigines are sorta rebelling, which makes more Australians dislike them. Well I know my family members are already getting brainwashed by these lies.

[i am all i am]

anyone can watch a tv and see how fucked africa is, but by the same token i could say that every american is a redneck, i saw it on tv, come to africa, see the hospitality of a family with barely enough to eat themselves offer you the lion's share of their meal, that is to be humbled my friend, i was in a mozambiquan village once, and i was in an old ladiy's yard, she must have been 90, she walked up to me with half a brick in her hand and gave it to me, i didn't know what she wanted me to do with it until i realised it was the only form of seating she had, she slept and ate off the ground. that humbled me in a way that i cannot even begin to explain, a brick, her only chair, and i could have it.
you cannot understand africa unless you've been here, contrast doesn't even begin to explain it, it is special, it engulfs your whole soul, and to see it in the state that is in, what it's children are made to live like, i could cry and never stop, and all the while, the children smile like only children can.

G'day Lumukanda.

Thank you for posting this brother. I have tears in my eyes at the moment whilst writing this.

What can I say ??? ....

It is truly a beautiful experience to have when one who is perceived to have less than others offers what they do have in a loving and generous manner.

What you experienced was unconditional love given and shared. This is truly a gift and I thank you with my whole 'being' for sharing this experience.

I love you.



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[i_am]

Hang on a sec, I actually meant how lately in the media they are reported to have drunken attitudes and abuse their children on a large scale. That's the overexaggerated part I was talking about. I just think the gov aren't being fair, as they are portraying them in a bad light. And the Aborigines are sorta rebelling, which makes more Australians dislike them. Well I know my family members are already getting brainwashed by these lies.

No it is not exaggerated. The abuse of children and babies, male and female is a fact. The drunkeness is a fact and the petrol sniffing and prostitution is a fact. some of the communities are hell holes. (and my source is not only the media.)

It has been fact for decades but the government didn't give a shit. Now months out from an election they come in with their gung ho attitude and want to fix things, things that aboriginal leaders have been begging for assistance with.

They need help desperately but why this way and why now?

This subject has been pretty extensively discussed here with lots of relevant information

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5221

[lumukanda]

and the point of your post is what??

Do you want me to post information about how many african nations/socieities treat the white man?

You are getting off topic here.

The point I was trying to make here is that in no way shape or form should the black race be considered """Passive""" or """Peaceful"""". Statistically, they are shown to be the most aggressive and violent.

and I was merely asking....""Why should they be compensated? Who should compensate them?? and what should be given to them??"""

I don't know why you are going off on a tangeant here? :confused:

well, i was trying to say it in a nice way, but your information on south africa is all bullshit, you obviously know nothing about it at all, didn't even bother to do some rudementary digging on the subject, get your facts straight my friend, have you ever been to africa?

i don't know about black people where you come from, and where i come from there are many violent black people, i make no excuses for them, but the overwhelming majority of black people where i come from are passive and peaceful, sometimes a bit loud, but peaceful people, it only takes a small amount to taint the way everyone sees it, and if you think all black people are violent, well thats as stupid as saying all white people are rich and racist.

on african governments, they're all corrupt! just like every other government on the planet, now, taking into account the fact that we have a corrupt government, and that the money is not filtering down to the people, we have a desperate people, go to maputo, luanda, and you'll see a fucked up city.

these people, a people steeped in tradition, had their worlds torn apart by the west, and to a lesser degree by the arabs, and then they are packaged into colonies with foreign masters, very often and on purpose, being made to share a country with their most bitter rivals while their resources are plundered and their people uprooted, tortured and murdered. then they finally gain 'independence', they get that in name only, because the big companies have retained all their mineral rights, puppet leaders are installed (because you can't have one who actually demands their birthright back, those are 'communists' and their governments are sanctioned), so not only has the common man been fucked by his colonial masters, he's fucked by his puppet leaders.
the average person in south africa earns about R1000 a month, thats less than 100 pounds, the people earning the lowest make about R250, that about 20 pounds, to feed and clothe your family, think about that.
everyone talks about investment in african countries, great. most of the local companies that get the capital to build etc etc, are owned by members of parliment or party faithfulls, shocking isn't it, only in africa? think dick cheney and halliburton, think how many huge companies in america and europe have serious government or party ties. so when people talk to me about african corruption, i say hypocrite, the average african country is as corrupt as their western cousins. in africa we have wars, lots of them, millions have died in the past 50 years, how often have western governments had a hand in this? more often than not, if its not a country funding rebels to gain a natural resource, it's a western government funding an african government to protect it's natural resources interests in that country.
and posting articles on what a minority of black people did to white people? well go ahead i suppose, because i could fill books on what the white man has done to africans, aborgines, indians, arabs, south americans, native americans, chinese, the list goes on and and on, it's not a blame game, it's about trying to understand what the problem is, and it's not the people, it's the system. plain and simple.

so once again we get down to rooting out the elite corruption in order to give some semblance of peace and freedom to the people, it is so easy for you people in the west to judge africa, but if you are kicked and kicked and kicked, and then after being fucked up like that, you are little, well, fucked up, can you be blamed.
never forget that media has an agenda in portraying people in a certain way, take los angeles for example, crime at one point was down, but the coverage of crime by the news was up by a couple of thousand percent, no wonder it looks bad.
you guys have no idea of what it's really like on the ground here, wrt the good or the bad.

you ask why the tangent? because i find this way of telling a people who have had their land, their religion, their language stolen from them, and then given a small percentage of it back, to just 'tough it out', is bloody insulting, i don't know what that must feel like to live in a shack with no running water or power, to have to walk miles in the HOPE of finding a job that will pay you next to nothing and i doubt most of us do, and then to boot be labelled violent because of the actions of a few. thats my tangent.

and so i say it again, left alone, africans are some of the chillest people out there, believe what you will, i can't stop you, but by and large, you are wrong i'm afraid, statistics can be fudged either way, i go by what i see on the ground and from my interactions i have had, i'm not going to change my mind anytime soon.

[ngawaka19]

Self determination is the only answer.

Governance that disguises its paternal control as what is good for us, renders not only the indigenous but the non indigenous of a nation, passive. They do it through the education system and the churches, and the health systems. We all think "ohh yes thats best for us dear", or even more to the point, "ohh them next door are doing it, lets do it too". We are contaminated from birth, those of us who live in the western society's

When one can look in the mirror and see a brown face, then one can participate in the fate of the brown faced people.


Monkeys and crocodiles.......

Its like the crocodiles have the power to tell the monkeys how to live eat breath. How would the crocodiles know what is best for the monkey's???? They are crocodiles, what?, do the monkeys stay in the water? Do they not go into the trees? If the truth be known, the crocodiles will tell the monkeys to stand on the shore line and wait for further instructions.

This has seen us to the death of us and our cultures.

It is blatant power and control, criminal. The most arrogant of which classifies those in power as being GOD. And theres nothing that can help those ones when the day of judgement comes. They have determined their own fate. We are all indoctrinated with bias, discrimination and low self esteem. Our separation from the spiritual and the replacement of it in our lives with materialism for our sense of security is false. We regard that if we have more money, bigger house, faster car as a measure of whether we are higher beings. This can be crossed over to all levels, as in, when we are in a group instead of going for the ego trip to make yourself feel higher than, to allow others to have that space, encourage others to move to the front, this can be in any given situation. What we tend to do is charge ahead with our ideas of self grandeur, and sometimes its so normalised within us, we don't even know we are doing it. When we realise that we are all fools and have no rights except to serve GOD/JAH then we are assuming the highest of positions.

I'm not perfect and I fuck up at the best of times. We all have a story to tell, but none so greater than the story of the African blacks from the last 200 years or the aborigine of the last 200 years or the American Indian, and until non indigenous have the experience of being fractured from ones self, and keep the power and control over the indigenous, then we are never going to be excepted or respected, therefore sinking further into low self esteem, self hatred, self loathing, self destruction. IE: what is happening in Australia within the koori tribes.

But you and me have the power to change that, you may ask how and what can we do to change the situation. We have power and control over our own back yards........we can change the way we look at our fellow man......get rid of your discrimination's and judgements, within your own back yard.

I celebrate the non indigenous, those white brothers and sisters who have helped and fought for their indigenous, who do give love who do understand that there is no color on the other side. Those brothers and sisters are very special, they know deeply that without their help, indigenous will not be able to move forward. My feelings are that we walk together hand in hand, help each other, I have had the privilege of working with some awesome pakeha (NZ whites) in my country who have endless love. These are the people that understand we must move forward together holding each others hands. I love you all you wonderful people. Together.......only together.

For the others lagging behind, your missing out. swallow your hatred it is only derived from your low self esteem and your ignorance. make friends with your brown neighbour, learn how and why about what you are curious about, there is so much love to be shared with you. feel the peace, feel the love

jah rastafari
one love
we are one
arohatinonui
chur
ngawaka

[archangel]

lumakanda

You are making more of this that what it is.

The statement was made that Africans are extremely ""peaceful"" and ""passive"". Statistically, they are least from that. this is not arguable.

When did I say all black are violent?

If you look in the U.S, The VAST majority of high crime areas are black communities. That is fact. The bad neighborhoods in my area are populated by blacks. This is not statistic smudging.

also

I want to know why africans should receive compensation? Are any of the slaves still alive?? how can we compensate them? should we give African Americans plane tickets back to Africa??

[ngawaka19]

lumakanda

You are making more of this that what it is.

The statement was made that Africans are extremely ""peaceful"" and ""passive"". Statistically, they are they are least from that. this is not arguable.

When did I say all black are violent?

If you look in the U.S, The VAST majority of high crime areas are black communities. That is fact. The bad neighborhoods in my area are populated by blacks. This is not statistic smudging.

also

I want to know why africans should recieve compensation? Are any of the slaves still alive?? how can we compensate them? should we give them plane tickets back to Africa??

The answer is in my last post.

[lumukanda]

lumakanda

You are making more of this that what it is.

The statement was made that Africans are extremely ""peaceful"" and ""passive"". Statistically, they are least from that. this is not arguable.

When did I say all black are violent?

If you look in the U.S, The VAST majority of high crime areas are black communities. That is fact. The bad neighborhoods in my area are populated by blacks. This is not statistic smudging.

also

I want to know why africans should receive compensation? Are any of the slaves still alive?? how can we compensate them? should we give African Americans plane tickets back to Africa??

maybe i am making too much of it, i don't dispute that black areas are prone to violence, what i have tried to show is perhaps why this is, i don't have all the answers, i can only speak from my own experiences, nothing more.
one thing i hate, really hate is PC bullshit, like you expressed in your post about hate crimes, i know it may come across that i tote that line, but i don't.
i believed people when they said we are all equal, and that's the good and the bad. i believe there is someone at work trying to undermine any chances of any real kind of racial harmony in this world, we are more alike than we are different, no one has the right to demean another person, not black not white, white people complain about being made to feel guilty for the sins of their fathers, and in some ways i say we should take some responsibilty for that, but on the other hand i'm sometimes inclined to think, i did nothing wrong, but the fact remains that personally, and this is my viewpoint, that we as white people did commit crimes, genocide in some instances, and i feel that western govenments, that got rich and continue to do so, on the backs of african labour and african resources, should be held accountable, not financially neccesarily, but in some way, an apology would go a long way, i mean it's not like they just stole some money, they uprooted, killed and dehumanised millions of people, and i just get angry at the attitude of, well you guys have freedom now, don't bother us with your problems.
and the governments of africa are as much to blame as anyone, swiss bank accounts, luxury cars, fraud on a massive scale, but once again, everytime a leader comes along who really has the people's interests at heart, they're taken out, think samora machel.

i said it before, it's not the people, it's the system they're born into. we as 'westerners' have a relatively large amount of prospects to look forward to, doors are open to us, now think of the guy in a slum in nairobi for example, what options does he have? very few, and crime is one of them, very often due to the cutthroat world of slums, violence is the order of the day, and these people are in slums because of economic conditions, often directly to do with western policies toward africa, or often policies dictated to african countries by multinational corporations, i'm still convinced BP had a major hand in the hanging of ken saro-wiwa, an outspoken critic of the company's policies in nigeria.

i just feel that to comment on the state of africa, to comment on the violence, and i'll say it, the depravity of some of the crimes committed, one has to have a proper understanding of the culture these people come from, and also the recent history that they've had to endure. i know it sounds like i'm making excuses, and no doubt many will use said excuses to do things that everyone knows is wrong, but you cannot see the whole picture (which i am far from seeing i know) without getting as much experience as possible on the subject. once again i say, the actions of a few dictate the perception of the whole, how is this fair?

i'll give an example that may go a ways to explaining some of this, by all means not all, but an aspect nonetheless.
in south africa, we have a group of people called coloureds, they are mixed race, white and black (the word coloured does not have the same offensive meaning here as it does in the states). they were for a long time seen by the government as a huge threat, due to the fact that they 'were more intelligent than africans, because of their white blood.' around the 70's the south african intelligence started flooding the cape flats, the area they live in, with illegal drugs (at the time it was something called mandrax, later it became crack, more recently we've seen meth and heroine there). people were selected to distribute these drugs, the aim was to keep the people fighting about drugs, and then they won't fight the government. this worked very well, today we have gangs running the show, it's very bad, now i'm not saying that this may not have happened without government intervention, but it's happened due to it nonetheless. i have a good friend on the cape flats who tried to set up a small scale detox clinic for addicts in the flats, he was approached by high ranking gang members (his brother is involved with the gangs, which is why they extended him this courtesy, usually you'd just be shot) and they told him to stop what he's doing, they need these people to be down, they make better customers.

in the countryside we had a system called the 'dop' system (dop is the afrikaans word for a drink), this was used by farmers as a form of payment, the workers would recieve food and drink as payment, needless to say, alchoholism is a serious problem, but once again, if they drunk and fighting each other on a friday night, they're no threat to the farmer. today this is illegal, but the problem is already there, foetal alcholol syndrome is at record heights, and violence due to this is also a major problem, so you see, it's easy to say that these guys just want to kill each other, but there is more to it. and stories like this are found all over the world, this very tactic brought china to it's knees.

so all i'm saying is, a little fairness when dealing with these communities, they're not always blameless, i know that, and sometimes i too want to shake people and say, stand on your own feet, but it is easy for us in our houses to say things like that, when the majority of these people are only concerned with getting something to eat and not freezing to death. it's a sad sad state of affairs, and one i really wish i could change, but as we know, you can only change yourself and hope that others can learn from your example.

[synergy777]

archangel, they should be comphensated, as in having their resources returned to them. how can you call it freedom, when the means of wealth, development are in the hands of foreign companies. soon america will realise that when you put your wealth/energy/food/manufacturing/debt in foreign hands, the tables turn, well officially its market dynamics, demand and supply.
england sadly will too, the companies that own everything are foreign. no english companies really own much nowadays, other than financial companies.

luma is right, spot on, about africa. so you are from neopolitan descent, do you know about the north/south divide in italy, how the french/germanic north suppressed the arabic/moor/spanish/greek south. whats the term terraroni, people of the dirt/earth, due to having olive/brown skin, viva sicliy.

see only if people have true liberty, the means for self determination, structures in place to maximise resources, provide opportunities for growth etc, can change happen. this view that africa is free, its free to suffer, you lit the fire, stopped pouring gasoline on it, walked away and you call it freedom. africa burns whilst the ex-colonial masters bask in self glorification. freeing them is not the final solution, as you imprisoned them, rehabilitation is needed.

they put in fellow elites, african buddies from oxbridge/ivy league, give directorships to africans on mining/oil companies. africa like all other places has corruption, its natural, people crave money/power. this lack of responsibility is a common quality of civilisation today. i mean parents blame schools/media anyone but not themselves, lol a throwaway society from products to responsibilty. oscar wilde, "the price of everything, but the value of nothing".

ask yourself is this behaviour a product of nature or nurture (society), eg genetics or environment. as if its genetics and not envioronment/elite, then explain over a 1000 years of european imperialism, genocide etc? it couldn't be the environment/society, as you are well civilised, educated could it be genetics? nope its the elite, society/economics.

[archangel]

Luma

I agree strongly that the enviroment they are born into has a GREAT deal with who they develope into. If you are born into poverty, crime, etc and it is all you see from day one; I think anyone can understand how you would just follow that life style. However, I think to blame everything on that is cop out. Over thousands of years, I think they should have been able to get their act together more so than they have shown to do.

In America, They always have infomercials to guilt trip you to send money to Africa b/c they are starving,etc,etc. Why not teach them how to grow crop instead of just give them money and free products? teach them to be self sustainable.

I do not feel guilty what so ever about slavery. Yes, I think it was very wrong. But it wasn't my family/Ancestors doing it. They weren't even in this country back then. And the vast majority of Americans forefathers weren't buying slaves either. Most of the slaves were owned by Rich Plantation owners. Most likely related to the globalists who exist today.

I respect your view points, but then again all I was trying to say here is that the black race can not be classified with a generalization as being "passive" or "peaceful". Such a statementy can be made about those of Oriental decent but not of black heritage.

Synergy777

again, Exactly what resources are talking about that need to be given back? Rehabilitate who and how? All of the original slaves are dead and not alive anymore. How can you rehabilitate them?

are you just talking about American blacks? or African blacks as well??

[synergy777]

what resources, ask rio tinto, antofagasta, bhp bilton, debeers, ask shell/bp. they can only develop their economies, when they have funds to invest into infastructure like schools, hospitals, transport. if the profits go overseas, if the leaders are puppets, who line their own pockets. if the countries are crippled by third world debt, high interest repayments, then its not really a good situation for economic development is it. when the means and returns of economic activity are siphoned off overseas, what do you expect them to use for economic development, buttons or imf loans with crippling rates of interest?

also whats your view on the italian north/south issue, it would interesting to know your views.

also i am talking about africa. as for african americans, well only since the late 60's, have they started to get some degree of equality, but its not enough. liberty means equality, equality should give you opportunity. how many kids from poor/working class families, black and white get good schooling?, have funds for university? its all good saying they are free, but freedom/success costs. see not only is it about the class divide, they have the added obstacle of colour/cultural prejudice aswell.

[archangel]

so you are saying we stole their oil? That is is a first for me. What do you think Foreign countries should do for them to help them get established?

For one, They have an extensive Diamond supply but kill their own people for them and the gangs sale them off cheap. If they took responsibility, developed Jewelry business, They could be a HUGE diamond distributor to the world. Agriculture, Tourism, something. Every one has to start some where. Where there is a will there is a way. With what they have available they can defintely do more than what they have done throughout history.

I have a hard time offering any help to someone who is not willing to help them selves.

as far as American Blacks, They have more than enough equality. They have equal rights. They can go to the same schools as Whites. Whites as a whole are not out harrassing blacks anymore as they might have done right after slavery. Quite the opposite, You will find more blacks harassing whites. I have played sports my whole life, and anytime we played against a predominantly black team, Our players were often called ""honkeys"" """crackers""" """white boys""" """white Bitch""", etc. and if a person of opposite race goes into another town of a majority race, 9 times out 10 it will the be white person in the black neighborhood who gets mugged.

They get special grants for college, affirmative action. what the hell else can American possibly give them besides giving them their blood too???

It is my opinion, that in America today, The white man is actually the one who is discriminated against.

[synergy777]

if the tables were turned you couldn't do half aswell, you only do well because everything is geared towards you. even your messiah was not your colour, so you had to change it. its funny arguing with people like you, so very easy to outsmart. thanks for clearing up the italian north south divide, lol

[danielg]

If you replace all of the words 'you' in Syns writing for 'I', with the understanding that 99% of the time when humans say 'you' they're resisting and projecting their own shadow, it gives a more authentic understanding of what syns really saying.

[synergy777]

danny another wannabe freud cock sucker, when have you posted anything of note other than troll like pseudo psycho-analysis, always jumping on my dick, saying synergy hates whites (thats the weakest and best defence haters like you have, and you know what, its only proves how good i am). luma white, ask if i hate him? i have white cousins, ask them if i hate them? you europeans come from us, ask yourself, if you had any intelligence, did research other than corn flake packet psycho analysis, you would know your stuff, but you don't, asking you, is like asking a blind person his view on dali.

my personal view is not worth much, the facts are what matter, argue about the facts. you are a joke, don't even waste my time, you ignorant piece of crap, cheers bro. see what i love is the awesome protection of whites, you guys have a god complex, its funny.when muslims, africans, anyother race/ethnicity need comments, you all jump in, soon as the w word comes up, insecurity breeds hive mind behaviour, what i say don't matter, whats going to happen, remember me then danny, remember synergy then.

bitches, i told ya so, but you are gods, you should know better, lol

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/Site%20Index.htm

some truth, some lies, but very interesting viewpoint.

[danielg]

Syn hates whites? Where did you pull that from? Your unconscious? Cos it wasn't from anything I wrote :rolleyes:. God complex? racial insecurity? um, yeah, you can own those too.

[archangel]

my personal view is not worth much, the facts are what matter

I agree with you here.

The facts speak for themself

[lumukanda]

come now guys, let's play nice.

[human]

Another useless thread turned into an arguement, good job guys way to play the sheep.

[lumukanda]

Another useless thread turned into an arguement, good job guys way to play the sheep.
i actually thought it was quite a useful thread turned into an argument, let's not let this one end up in the rant room please guys.

[synergy777]

its not argument, arguements have two opposing sides, i am right, its just them playa hating, trolling.

carry on luma. its all good bro, 1 love.

however if they want to start a battle thread in the rant room, well i would be honoured, lol we could drop 4/8 lines a time, see who wins. they would have to rhyme, have historical data in etc. run rabbit run, sweet home alabama, lol

[archangel]

Synergy is incaple of looking at facts with out calling people crackers, or slave masters.

africans are also dumb, they welcomed you white imperial resource grabbing, slavemasters as brothers. now the game is up, you don't enjoy the white power illusion, as we know better. archangel, my arse.


Maybe this guy is on to something. Lets Kill all the white people!!:)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[synergy777]

facts, archangel even at my worst, its eclipses you at your best. you and daniel are here for my amusement only, cheering me up on this sunny friday afternoon, before i depart to the public houses of this sceptred isle, to enjopy ale and smoke cancersticks, before hitlers goons have there way. july the 1st is more important than you mr angel. do you know anything about archangel michael/yashuah etc, do you know the orgin of your religion, if you have one.

i speak frankly about all cultures and are not blinded by the cultural prejudice. posting youtube vids, really does indicate to me, the level of intellect i am against, and hence its comforting to know the low level of oppostion. well, me calling you oppostion, is merely me flattering you, dear chap.

expect a flawed freud anal-ysis by dannyboy.

[archangel]

YOU are right.

THe black race is very "passive" and "peacefull"
They are probably the most gentle race on the planet

That was the origal argument in this thread

[synergy777]

i think they ar mudering scum, lol only joking. look its a matter of socio economic factors not race. look at biggest mafia, they are european.

[danielg]

I'm not in opposition to you, just hearing generalised accusations thrown about, from whoever, are usually projections. :)