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nofuture

13-02-2009, 01:11 PM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihR3pCS1eoqfa10COBWKj37kOn6wD968SE403

debs67gb

13-02-2009, 01:13 PM

I blame the Bankers and government for spotting this years ago - the inevitable outcome - and doing fck all about it :)

gilly

13-02-2009, 01:19 PM

I blame the Bankers and government for spotting this years ago - the inevitable outcome - and doing fck all about it :)

It's a deliberately manufatured situation that they were all apart of.

debs67gb

13-02-2009, 01:21 PM

aye and mr brown tongue still sits there like a twat denying any responsibility has he not yet noticed we all know hes a con artist? ooo he makes my blood boil lol

atticus_finch

13-02-2009, 01:42 PM

and the other two-thirds blame whom ??

debs67gb

13-02-2009, 01:43 PM

maybe their gran?

yozhik

13-02-2009, 01:45 PM

Just one third ?
Were the other two thirds sleeping when it happened ?
Or just could not be contacted for the survey ?

.

runciter

13-02-2009, 01:48 PM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihR3pCS1eoqfa10COBWKj37kOn6wD968SE403

The Anti-Defamation League said (...)

the rothschilds are trying to scapegoat all jews, using them as a (red) shield.

synergy777

13-02-2009, 01:55 PM

runciter, your avatar, wheres it from, looks cool.

endlessvista

13-02-2009, 02:00 PM

rhydra

13-02-2009, 02:01 PM

endlessvista

13-02-2009, 02:04 PM

runciter

13-02-2009, 02:09 PM

Well said. The Rothschilds are about as Jewish as I am a Phonecian.

but they believe they are more jewish than most jews.

yozhik

13-02-2009, 02:12 PM

runciter

13-02-2009, 02:14 PM

ummm ... right ... but of course the Jews have been completely innocent ... and ... errrr ... just a convenient scapegoat ... because those ... ummmm ... civil and charitable Jews have ... ummmm ... never, EVER been guilty of anything ... and errr ... have just been so horribly ... ummmm ... misunderstood ... uhhhh ... and their intentions so ... hmmmmm ... noble.

;)

.

a person should be judged by his/her actions, not by his intentions.

yozhik

13-02-2009, 02:27 PM

a person should be judged by his/her actions, not by his intentions.

With some, their actions highlight their intentions ...

runciter

13-02-2009, 02:30 PM

With some, their actions highlight their intentions ...

you're playing the rothschild game, have fun.

14april2000

13-02-2009, 02:32 PM

This is what the illuminati Gentiles and the Jewish general rothschild and his 9999 jewish servants/elite want

The jewish leadership worldwide with few exceptions cot less about what happen to the ordinar jews.

The Gentile Roman/european astrocrats elite or just elite has always hated jews they blame the worlds problem on the jews but is always the ordinar jews that suffer. The more money the elite has the more they hate jews.

To to this it always the same regardless of the Gentiles faith, race or political agenda/ideology

But if digg deeper, you will find out that is not the jews that is the problem or create the problems. for the rest of us and for the ordinar jew

[QUOTE]
It has been the age-old intention of Zionism to intentionally stir up anti-Semitism anywhere possible, and even more commonly, to take advantage of any Jewish suffering anywhere in order to enhance its cause Indeed, hatred of Jews and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been to deliberately incite hatred of the Jew and then, in feigned horror, use it to justify the existence of the Zionist state – this is, of course, Machiavellianism raised to the highest degree. Thus, the Zionists thrive on hatred and suffering of Jews, and seek to benefit thereby through keeping Jews in perpetual fear, causing them to ignore the true nature of Zionism, and instead to consider the Zionist state is their salvation.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm
[QUOTE]]

trojan_scapegoat

13-02-2009, 02:37 PM

Hmmm, because Jews have never been blamed at any other time fascism was the growing trend....

tusme

13-02-2009, 02:39 PM

14april2000

13-02-2009, 03:11 PM

oiram

13-02-2009, 03:16 PM

The people who started this economic disaster will be quite happy for the masses to blame the Jewish people. Then villains and heroes can be created for the fruit of society to grow so the elite can take another big bite. Jews are convenient scapegoats and they have always been used as such.I fully agree!
Why there are never any Jewish people around on logical comments like yours! One more Phenomena?

Well said & once the Jewish people understand this them self's & join the right side of Humanity; I think this would solve a big part of the problem.

Are there any group at all from the Jewish side which are trying to make contact?

This is a quote coming from a Jewish person him self!

Unless they oppose it, they will be blamed for it. If they defend it, they are part of it.
"VERY TRUE & LOGICAL STATEMENT I WOULD SAY!"

http://www.henrymakow.com/index.html http://www.henrymakow.com/archives.html

I will always defend my argument that all Humans are not born dumb; but are getting educated to be suicidal dumb-asses!

Conclusion: don't fight the resulting dumb-asses find the source of the problem and eliminate it permanently!

grachtengordel

13-02-2009, 03:36 PM

My father believe the reason the UN gave Isreal to the jews was to get as many jews as possble out Europe and else, and i might give him right about that, Gentile elite in the UN in 1948 did not have any love for jews.

what absolute codswallop. if that saw so then why would the "Gentile elite in the UN" siphon TRILLIONS and BILLIONS out of europe and send it to zionist occupied palestine ?

jiffy

13-02-2009, 04:04 PM

Yeah its the same mentality that blamed the Jews for the plague until the dumb twats realized they where dieing of it as well:rolleyes:

danster82

13-02-2009, 04:05 PM

I clean the windows for this old Jewish lady once a month, she dont seem to have much, But I swear I just cannot see how shes to blame for the credit crunch maybe someone can enlighten me.

jiffy

13-02-2009, 04:08 PM

I clean the windows for this old Jewish lady once a month, she dont seem to have much, But I swear I just cannot see how shes to blame for the credit crunch maybe someone can enlighten me.

Depends if like many on here seem to be "VERY RIGHT WING"

zero1

13-02-2009, 04:18 PM

Trust ADL to call an accurate and truthful poll "Anti-Semitic". It's eminently obvious that people who self-identify as Jews, who hold Jewish interests either religious (Judaism) or secular (Israel-first) or both, hold far too much sway in the worlds of Business (especially Banking) and Politics (especially Intelligence services).

catfood

13-02-2009, 04:43 PM

Did you know 20% off all people using the internet think the moon is made of blue cheese?

whiterain

13-02-2009, 04:51 PM

very worrying. the fascist propaganda is obviously hitting the spot again. when will we learn? the people responsible for making the lives of millions miserable, follow no religion but themselves

sorath

13-02-2009, 05:27 PM

The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing.

This quote seems to ring fairly true when reading this thread. Ordinary jews are just as asleep as ordinary christians and muslims. When they wake up and realise they are being fucked over by the same elites and the lie of zionism, they will be just as angry as the next person.

If jewish suffering continues to be used as a scapegoat for the existance of zionism then they will perish in ignorance.

rhydra

13-02-2009, 07:02 PM

Did you know 20% off all people using the internet think the moon is made of blue cheese?

Rubbish, everyone knows it's made of green cheese!. :p

sophia_h

13-02-2009, 08:57 PM

I fully agree!
Why there are never any Jewish people around on logical comments like yours! One more Phenomena?

Well said & once the Jewish people understand this them self's & join the right side of Humanity; I think this would solve a big part of the problem.

Are there any group at all from the Jewish side which are trying to make contact?

NETUREI KARTA AROUND THE WORLD

http://www.nkusa.org/

...

Jews Against Zionism

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

The six most recent articles:Religious Voters Ignore Rabbis,
See Party Struggles as Petty

Nefesh Bnefesh Plans to Invade Flatbush Community

Moroccan Jewish Community Condemns Israeli Operation in Gaza

South African Jews Refuse to be Represented by Zionists

Antwerp Jews Disassociate from Zionist Activities

Jews Protest Zionism in LA and Toronto

...

Ex-Jew Brother Nathanael

A Profile In Anti-Jewish Revolutionary
Christian Courage
With An After-Word Conclusion

http://www.rense.com/general81/prophet.htm

....

Personally I have known MANY jews who abhor zionism
I lived i n NYC, ( Manhattan ) for many years
and more recently in Brooklyn for sixteen years

I lived among jews
did business with jews
had affairs with jews
counselled jews
comforted jews
and from many I prospered
while others did me huge harm

and I KNOW what makes them tick

many havent much knowledge of what zionism REALLY is
they just think its kool to have an organzation FIGHTING
for them to have a homeland they have no inerest in visiting
or if they do its as a tourist only

many who go as tuorists are disillusioned,

some move there !

jews are ALL insecure
some very honest
most far from it
if one considers you useful you get decent treatment
if you are seen as a one hit target you WILL be ripped badly
I had many jews give me a leg up and just as many try
to take me down

they are mostly a cunning and treacherous people
YES even those I had intimate relationships with
I looked at it this way as do MOST Gentiles
if we are making our living in the jew city we play
by their rules and know going in they will rip off
ANY Gentile if they cant see a future use for
hir

If we Gentiles play on a very tilted field and get a couple
of jewish godfathers to interact for us we CAN get
a share of the gold dust that flies in the NY Metro area

That way of life will eventually kill a Gentile
it drives jews insane
I got out
It was strive for survival or get that contagion
NYers call the "jewish plague"

you can observe it here or most any fora by those
who post gibberish, have a short attention span,
and contradict themselves . spin and retionalize
babble.

The "jewish plague"

after more than thirty years in NYC Metro
one learns how to deal with the illogical and unfocused

What I see now is many jews, especially the orthodox,
see the pogroms about to start up again

they are right

and IMV many are lining up to be the "good jew"
who never supported any wars on the Palestinians

they want to stay in their adopted lands and keep
milking the Gentiles
just "doin business"

ubtecha I am cynical
I have hoisted many a glass with jews and toked
some fine weed with jews
I KNOW jews

Now what can I do about it?

I have told many quite openly they must as a FOLK
give up the "chosen" etitlement role and get down
and dirty digging the latrines with the rest of us
and they will never see another POGROM

and many agree !

we can tell them and they know it and do discuss it
amongst themselves

but just as some here can only scream to OTHERS
to wake up, many jews wait for others to start the
cleansing process

IMV again, it needs this coming wipe out of Israel to make
the mass of jews finally want to do the cleansing of superiority
and entitlement mentality
its not easy to tell the ego you are not speeecial after all

keep your eyes on those SUNBURNS lined up by the
Kremlin

USA must now have a WAR to get out of this massive
economic crisis

Israel will push USA to atack Iran and Afghanistan

it is a bandaid but Barky the avid supporter of Israel
will have his wars and save the economy for a short time

Russia will stop the attacks of Iran and Afghanistan

that is when Israel will be destroyed

THAT is when masses of jews will scream to be as
ONE with the rest of the world

and I believe most will "see" they have allowed their
greed to lead them into this awful trap

Israel is the Son of Abraham
and the god of Abraham says he
has to sacrifice his son Israel
to gain an end to the incessant wars

This is a very old cycle coming to an end
There are jews who are ignorant of the
esoteric stuff

but there are MANY who believe they are
now coming into their kingdom
rulership over all the beasts,
that is you and me.

Some have said so to me as is their right
as my superiors
[I]after all I am shiksa

`

bowtiedaddy

13-02-2009, 09:24 PM

The Anti-Defamation League said (...)

the rothschilds are trying to scapegoat all jews, using them as a (red) shield.

yep! That's what I always try to tell people who are delusional anti Jew zealots because of this. The Rothschilds are NOT Jews, neither are the Rockefellers (both are German, actually).

They scapegoat the Jews to draw attention away from themselves. A small handful of Jews are involved in the NWO, and aren't really any more present than any other group of people. Part of the NWO plan is to kill all of the Jews, blacks, Christians and Arabs. Isn't that obvious? That's the reason they created Israel. To piss off the Arabs at the Jews, and they're purposefully doing horrible things to the poor people in Gaza to make people hate Jews, since the average person can't tell the difference between a group of people who share a common ancestry and a country half way around the world. I can't remember exactly but a study was done that 3/4 of Jews don't even follow the religion beyond when they get their bar mitzvah.

Why do you think there is no attempt to cover up the atrocities in Gaza by mainstream media? It's sick that they're harming innocent people for the purpose of propaganda. These people are fucking mad.

bowtiedaddy

13-02-2009, 09:33 PM

NETUREI KARTA AROUND THE WORLD

http://www.nkusa.org/

...

Jews Against Zionism

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

The six most recent articles:Religious Voters Ignore Rabbis,
See Party Struggles as Petty

Nefesh Bnefesh Plans to Invade Flatbush Community

Moroccan Jewish Community Condemns Israeli Operation in Gaza

South African Jews Refuse to be Represented by Zionists

Antwerp Jews Disassociate from Zionist Activities

Jews Protest Zionism in LA and Toronto

...

Ex-Jew Brother Nathanael

A Profile In Anti-Jewish Revolutionary
Christian Courage
With An After-Word Conclusion

http://www.rense.com/general81/prophet.htm

....

Personally I have known MANY jews who abhor zionism
I lived i n NYC, ( Manhattan ) for many years
and more recently in Brooklyn for sixteen years

I lived among jews
did business with jews
had affairs with jews
counselled jews
comforted jews
and from many I prospered
while others did me huge harm

and I KNOW what makes them tick

many havent much knowledge of what zionism REALLY is
they just think its kool to have an organzation FIGHTING
for them to have a homeland they have no inerest in visiting
or if they do its as a tourist only

many who go as tuorists are disillusioned,

some move there !

jews are ALL insecure
some very honest
most far from it
if one considers you useful you get decent treatment
if you are seen as a one hit target you WILL be ripped badly
I had many jews give me a leg up and just as many try
to take me down

they are mostly a cunning and treacherous people
YES even those I had intimate relationships with
I looked at it this way as do MOST Gentiles
if we are making our living in the jew city we play
by their rules and know going in they will rip off
ANY Gentile if they cant see a future use for
hir

If we Gentiles play on a very tilted field and get a couple
of jewish godfathers to interact for us we CAN get
a share of the gold dust that flies in the NY Metro area

That way of life will eventually kill a Gentile
it drives jews insane
I got out
It was strive for survival or get that contagion
NYers call the "jewish plague"

you can observe it here or most any fora by those
who post gibberish, have a short attention span,
and contradict themselves . spin and retionalize
babble.

The "jewish plague"

after more than thirty years in NYC Metro
one learns how to deal with the illogical and unfocused

What I see now is many jews, especially the orthodox,
see the pogroms about to start up again

they are right

and IMV many are lining up to be the "good jew"
who never supported any wars on the Palestinians

they want to stay in their adopted lands and keep
milking the Gentiles
just "doin business"

ubtecha I am cynical
I have hoisted many a glass with jews and toked
some fine weed with jews
I KNOW jews

Now what can I do about it?

I have told many quite openly they must as a FOLK
give up the "chosen" etitlement role and get down
and dirty digging the latrines with the rest of us
and they will never see another POGROM

and many agree !

we can tell them and they know it and do discuss it
amongst themselves

but just as some here can only scream to OTHERS
to wake up, many jews wait for others to start the
cleansing process

IMV again, it needs this coming wipe out of Israel to make
the mass of jews finally want to do the cleansing of superiority
and entitlement mentality
its not easy to tell the ego you are not speeecial after all

keep your eyes on those SUNBURNS lined up by the
Kremlin

USA must now have a WAR to get out of this massive
economic crisis

Israel will push USA to atack Iran and Afghanistan

it is a bandaid but Barky the avid supporter of Israel
will have his wars and save the economy for a short time

Russia will stop the attacks of Iran and Afghanistan

that is when Israel will be destroyed

THAT is when masses of jews will scream to be as
ONE with the rest of the world

and I believe most will "see" they have allowed their
greed to lead them into this awful trap

Israel is the Son of Abraham
and the god of Abraham says he
has to sacrifice his son Israel
to gain an end to the incessant wars

This is a very old cycle coming to an end
There are jews who are ignorant of the
esoteric stuff

but there are MANY who believe they are
now coming into their kingdom
rulership over all the beasts,
that is you and me.

Some have said so to me as is their right
as my superiors
after all I am shiksa

`

What kind of nutjob Jews do you hang around? I keep hearing people on this site saying that every Jew they've met is this and that, but I just don't see any more or less corruption or evil than any other group of people. Every race, religion, nationality and ideology has a wide range of people, ranging from absolute evil SOBs to really nice folks. This is the same mentality that drives racism against black people. You see a couple of black people who do something terrible and then start spouting off that all of them are that way. That just makes no sense.

There are some idiot Jews, as no group of people is "stainless". Criticize the few who are assholes, not the entire group of people.

The coming pogroms. I surely hope not. I don't want to be put into danger for no good reason other than something that I could care less about.

Most zionist Jews are just going along with it because they don't really know what it's all about.

The Jewish Plague. What kind of nutty people do you hang around? Geez.

bowtiedaddy

13-02-2009, 09:37 PM

bowtiedaddy

13-02-2009, 09:43 PM

Hmmm, because Jews have never been blamed at any other time fascism was the growing trend....

Sarcasm? Jews have been blamed EVERY single time, well except for the last time when they blamed the Arabs. I guess their "cleansing" of the Arab people is finished, now they want to go after the Jews again. They've been getting rid of Africans for years.

It's how they work. They create false flags, and pin it on someone else, usually someone who is dark skinned or has a non-mainstream religion. They hate anyone who isn't a "white" european. That's also why they always colonize, and kill off most of the aboriginal population around the world. Ever notice how the "thinning of the herd" rarely seems to happen to people of Germanic descent? hmmmmm. Prewar Germany was just the problem step in the "problem reaction solution" model.

sophia_h

13-02-2009, 09:46 PM

What kind of nutjob Jews do you hang around? I keep hearing people on this site saying that every Jew they've met is this and that, but I just don't see any more or less corruption or evil than any other group of people. Every race, religion, nationality and ideology has a wide range of people, ranging from absolute evil SOBs to really nice folks. This is the same mentality that drives racism against black people. You see a couple of black people who do something terrible and then start spouting off that all of them are that way. That just makes no sense.

There are some idiot Jews, as no group of people is "stainless". Criticize the few who are assholes, not the entire group of people.

The coming pogroms. I surely hope not. I don't want to be put into danger for no good reason other than something that I could care less about.

Most zionist Jews are just going along with it because they don't really know what it's all about.

The Jewish Plague. What kind of nutty people do you hang around? Geez.

no where did I say EVERY jew is this way or that

imagination full throttle there?

Personally I have known MANY jews who abhor zionism
I lived i n NYC, ( Manhattan ) for many years
and more recently in Brooklyn for sixteen years

I lived among jews
did business with jews
had affairs with jews
counselled jews
comforted jews
and from many I prospered
while others did me huge harm

and I KNOW what makes them tick

many havent much knowledge of what zionism REALLY is
they just think its kool to have an organzation FIGHTING
for them to have a homeland they have no inerest in visiting
or if they do its as a tourist only

many who go as tuorists are disillusioned,

some move there !

jews are ALL insecure
some very honest
most far from it
if one considers you useful you get decent treatment
if you are seen as a one hit target you WILL be ripped badly
I had many jews give me a leg up and just as many try
to take me down

they are mostly a cunning and treacherous people
YES even those I had intimate relationships with
I looked at it this way as do MOST Gentiles
if we are making our living in the jew city we play
by their rules and know going in they will rip off
ANY Gentile if they cant see a future use for
hir

If we Gentiles play on a very tilted field and get a couple
of jewish godfathers to interact for us we CAN get
a share of the gold dust that flies in the NY Metro area

That way of life will eventually kill a Gentile
it drives jews insane
I got out
It was strive for survival or get that contagion
NYers call the "jewish plague"

you can observe it here or most any fora by those
who post gibberish, have a short attention span,
and contradict themselves . spin and rationalize
babble.

The "jewish plague"

after more than thirty years in NYC Metro
one learns how to deal with the illogical and unfocused

What I see now is many jews, especially the orthodox,
see the pogroms about to start up again

they are right

you read what you wanted to pretend is in my words

what you say is NOT what my words say

THANK YOU for proving my point.

"jewish plague" causes people to twist other
peoples words so as to feed their FEARS

FEAR is the most powerful emotion
stop letting it filter all you think.

.

bowtiedaddy

13-02-2009, 09:54 PM

no where did I say EVERY jew is this way or that

imagination full throttle there?

you read what you wanted to pretend is in my words

what you say is NOT what my words say

THANK YOU for proving my point.

"jewish plague" causes people to twist other
peoples words so as to feed their FEARS

FEAR is the most powerful emotion
stop letting it filter all you think.

.

I read that you say that most Jews cheat and think other people are slaves. That's the same untrue crap that a few of you on here spew. It's not true. I don't know what kind of nutty Jews you've met, but most Jews are just average folks, who have a pretty similar worldview to the rest of humanity. Why is a Jew more responsible for not being awake than anyone else? Should all of the idiots that voted for Obama be rounded up and sent to the gas chambers? Israel is only one facet of their control. The Vatican is also another. The real people who run the show could care less about religion. They hate all religion, including Judaism.

I just don't see where Jews are any better or worse than anyone else. People as a whole aren't all that nice to each other. Go take a look at all of the people of other walks of life that lie and cheat each other. Just how other religions have been hijacked by the New World Order, Judaism is no different. It's how they work, destroy from within.

Jews do NOT think anyone else are slaves. Jews do not have any special affinity for cheating or hurting other people above the unfortunate fact that some human beings do that. About the only thing you did get right is that Jews are very insecure as a people. Most Jews who buy into zionism only do so because they are told how the Arabs are going to kill them all. It's just how Americans were scared of people in the Middle East because of 9/11. The chosen people thing is about the same as any other of the three major religions. Christians believe that anyone who doesn't believe as they do goes to hell. Every little club (religion) has to have some stupid little reason that they are "special" so that they can keep people coming back. That's why I don't buy into the masonic stuff as reality. I think it's just a way to keep people busy while the bankers are raping everyone. They throw a bunch of symbols out there and distort philosophy and claim to have all of the keys to the universe, so that people think that by belonging to that particular club, they're going to be special. Check out the Christian religion or Muslim religion to see examples of elitism. The average Christian or Muslim doesn't actually really care. Mindless rhetoric. That's all it is.

sophia_h

13-02-2009, 10:02 PM

655321

13-02-2009, 10:05 PM

The Genius ("For you I will be a ghetto Jew ..") from "The Spice-Box of Earth"

http://www.webheights.net/speakingcohen/images/frontpage.jpg

For you
I will be a ghetto jew
and dance
and put white stockings
on my twisted limbs
and poison wells
across the town

For you
I will be an apostate jew
and tell the Spanish priest
of the blood vow
in the Talmud
and where the bones
of the child are hid

For you
I will be a banker jew
and bring to ruin
a proud old hunting king
and end his line

For you
I will be a Broadway jew
and cry in theatres
for my mother
and sell bargain goods
beneath the counter

For you
I will be a doctor jew
and search
in all the garbage cans for foreskins
to sew back again

For you
I will be a Dachau jew
and lie down in lime
with twisted limbs
and bloated pain
no mind can understand

jesuitsdidit

13-02-2009, 10:10 PM

Zionist Jews work 4 the Pope
Torah-true Jews dont

dont blame all Jews..

yozhik

13-02-2009, 10:14 PM

`

Get the Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community.

Get the Jews out of education and they can not pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines.

Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the nation.

★　★　★　★　★

----------------------------------------------

*

Amen

yozhik

13-02-2009, 10:15 PM

Zionist Jews work 4 the Pope
Torah-true Jews dont

What?
Don't work for the Pope?
Or, don't work ... period?

mikethepunk

13-02-2009, 10:15 PM

The Anti-Defamation League said (...)

the rothschilds are trying to scapegoat all jews, using them as a (red) shield.

LOL!
That is the funniest thing I have ever fucking heard!
As if!

sophia_h

13-02-2009, 10:32 PM

`

"As the Arabs see the Jews" - 1947

"As the Arabs see the Jews"

His Majesty King Abdullah,

The American Magazine
November, 1947

I am especially delighted to address an American audience, for the tragic problem of Palestine will never be solved without American understanding, American sympathy, American support.

So many billions of words have been written about Palestine—perhaps more than on any other subject in history—that I hesitate to add to them. Yet I am compelled to do so, for I am reluctantly convinced that the world in general, and America in particular, knows almost nothing of the true case for the Arabs.

We Arabs follow, perhaps far more than you think, the press of America. We are frankly disturbed to find that for every word printed on the Arab side, a thousand are printed on the Zionist side.

There are many reasons for this. You have many millions of Jewish citizens interested in this question. They are highly vocal and wise in the ways of publicity. There are few Arab citizens in America, and we are as yet unskilled in the technique of modern propaganda.

The results have been alarming for us. In your press we see a horrible caricature and are told it is our true portrait. In all justice, we cannot let this pass by default.

Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered—a minority in our home.

Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.

Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.

We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.

Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?

Because of our perfectly natural dislike of being overwhelmed in our own homeland, we are called blind nationalists and heartless anti-Semites. This charge would be ludicrous were it not so dangerous.

No people on earth have been less "anti-Semitic" than the Arabs. The persecution of the Jews has been confined almost entirely to the Christian nations of the West. Jews, themselves, will admit that never since the Great Dispersion did Jews develop so freely and reach such importance as in Spain when it was an Arab possession. With very minor exceptions, Jews have lived for many centuries in the Middle East, in complete peace and friendliness with their Arab neighbours.

Damascus, Baghdad, Beirut and other Arab centres have always contained large and prosperous Jewish colonies. Until the Zionist invasion of Palestine began, these Jews received the most generous treatment—far, far better than in Christian Europe. Now, unhappily, for the first time in history, these Jews are beginning to feel the effects of Arab resistance to the Zionist assault. Most of them are as anxious as Arabs to stop it. Most of these Jews who have found happy homes among us resent, as we do, the coming of these strangers.

I was puzzled for a long time about the odd belief which apparently persists in America that Palestine has somehow "always been a Jewish land." Recently an American I talked to cleared up this mystery. He pointed out that the only things most Americans know about Palestine are what they read in the Bible. It was a Jewish land in those days, they reason, and they assume it has always remained so.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is absurd to reach so far back into the mists of history to argue about who should have Palestine today, and I apologise for it. Yet the Jews do this, and I must reply to their "historic claim." I wonder if the world has ever seen a stranger sight than a group of people seriously pretending to claim a land because their ancestors lived there some 2,000 years ago!

If you suggest that I am biased, I invite you to read any sound history of the period and verify the facts.

Such fragmentary records as we have indicate that the Jews were wandering nomads from Iraq who moved to southern Turkey, came south to Palestine, stayed there a short time, and then passed to Egypt, where they remained about 400 years. About 1300 BC (according to your calendar) they left Egypt and gradually conquered most—but not all—of the inhabitants of Palestine.
It is significant that the Philistines—not the Jews—gave their name to the country: "Palestine" is merely the Greek form of "Philistia."

Only once, during the empire of David and Solomon, did the Jews ever control nearly—but not all—the land which is today Palestine. This empire lasted only 70 years, ending in 926 BC. Only 250 years later the Kingdom of Judah had shrunk to a small province around Jerusalem, barely a quarter of modern Palestine.

In 63 BC the Jews were conquered by Roman Pompey, and never again had even the vestige of independence. The Roman Emperor Hadrian finally wiped them out about 135 AD. He utterly destroyed Jerusalem, rebuilt under another name, and for hundreds of years no Jew was permitted to enter it. A handful of Jews remained in Palestine but the vast majority were killed or scattered to other countries, in the Diaspora, or the Great Dispersion. From that time Palestine ceased to be a Jewish country, in any conceivable sense.
This was 1,815 years ago, and yet the Jews solemnly pretend they still own Palestine! If such fantasy were allowed, how the map of the world would dance about!

Italians might claim England, which the Romans held so long. England might claim France, "homeland" of the conquering Normans. And the French Normans might claim Norway, where their ancestors originated. And incidentally, we Arabs might claim Spain, which we held for 700 years.
Many Mexicans might claim Spain, "homeland" of their forefathers. They might even claim Texas, which was Mexican until 100 years ago. And suppose the American Indians claimed the "homeland" of which they were the sole, native, and ancient occupants until only some 450 years ago!

I am not being facetious. All these claims are just as valid—or just as fantastic—as the Jewish "historic connection" with Palestine. Most are more valid.

In any event, the great Moslem expansion about 650 AD finally settled things. It dominated Palestine completely. From that day on, Palestine was solidly Arabic in population, language, and religion. When British armies entered the country during the last war, they found 500,000 Arabs and only 65,000 Jews.
If solid, uninterrupted Arab occupation for nearly 1,300 years does not make a country "Arab", what does?

The Jews say, and rightly, that Palestine is the home of their religion. It is likewise the birthplace of Christianity, but would any Christian nation claim it on that account? In passing, let me say that the Christian Arabs—and there are many hundreds of thousands of them in the Arab World—are in absolute agreement with all other Arabs in opposing the Zionist invasion of Palestine.
May I also point out that Jerusalem is, after Mecca and Medina, the holiest place in Islam. In fact, in the early days of our religion, Moslems prayed toward Jerusalem instead of Mecca.

The Jewish "religious claim" to Palestine is as absurd as the "historic claim." The Holy Places, sacred to three great religions, must be open to all, the monopoly of none. Let us not confuse religion and politics.

We are told that we are inhumane and heartless because do not accept with open arms the perhaps 200,000 Jews in Europe who suffered under Nazi cruelty, and who even now—almost three years after war’s end—still languish
in cold, depressing camps.

Let me underline several facts. The unimaginable persecution of the Jews was not done by the Arabs: it was done by a Christian nation in the West. The war which ruined Europe and made it almost impossible for these Jews to rehabilitate themselves was fought by the Christian nations of the West. The rich and empty portions of the earth belong, not to the Arabs, but to the Christian nations of the West.

And yet, to ease their consciences, these Christian nations of the West are asking Palestine—a poor and tiny Moslem country of the East—to accept the entire burden. "We have hurt these people terribly," cries the West to the East. "Won’t you please take care of them for us?"

We find neither logic nor justice in this. Are we therefore "cruel and heartless nationalists"?

We are a generous people: we are proud that "Arab hospitality" is a phrase famous throughout the world. We are a humane people: no one was shocked more than we by the Hitlerite terror. No one pities the present plight of the desperate European Jews more than we.

But we say that Palestine has already sheltered 600,000 refugees. We believe that is enough to expect of us—even too much. We believe it is now the turn of the rest of the world to accept some of them.

I will be entirely frank with you. There is one thing the Arab world simply cannot understand. Of all the nations of the earth, America is most insistent that something be done for these suffering Jews of Europe. This feeling does credit to the humanity for which America is famous, and to that glorious inscription on your Statue of Liberty.

And yet this same America—the richest, greatest, most powerful nation the world has ever known—refuses to accept more than a token handful of these same Jews herself!

I hope you will not think I am being bitter about this. I have tried hard to understand that mysterious paradox, and I confess I cannot. Nor can any other Arab.

Perhaps you have been informed that "the Jews in Europe want to go to no other place except Palestine."

This myth is one of the greatest propaganda triumphs of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, the organisation which promotes with fanatic zeal the emigration to Palestine. It is a subtle half-truth, thus doubly dangerous.
The astounding truth is that nobody on earth really knows where these unfortunate Jews really want to go!

You would think that in so grave a problem, the American, British, and other authorities responsible for the European Jews would have made a very careful survey, probably by vote, to find out where each Jew actually wants to go. Amazingly enough this has never been done!
The Jewish Agency has prevented it.

Some time ago the American Military Governor in Germany was asked at a press conference how he was so certain that all Jews there wanted to go to Palestine. His answer was simple: "My Jewish advisors tell me so." He admitted no poll had ever been made. Preparations were indeed begun for one, but the Jewish Agency stepped in to stop it.

The truth is that the Jews in German camps are now subjected to a Zionist pressure campaign which learned much from the Nazi terror. It is dangerous for a Jew to say that he would rather go to some other country, not Palestine. Such dissenters have been severely beaten, and worse.
Not long ago, in Palestine, nearly 1,000 Austrian Jews informed the international refugee organisation that they would like to go back to Austria, and plans were made to repatriate them.

The Jewish Agency heard of this, and exerted enough political pressure to stop it. It would be bad propaganda for Zionism if Jews began leaving Palestine. The nearly 1,000 Austrian are still there, against their will.The fact is that most of the European Jews are Western in culture and outlook, entirely urban in experience and habits. They cannot really have their hearts set on becoming pioneers in the barren, arid, cramped land which is Palestine.

One thing, however, is undoubtedly true. As matters stand now, most refugee Jews in Europe would, indeed, vote for Palestine, simply because they know no other country will have them.

If you or I were given a choice between a near-prison camp for the rest of our lives—or Palestine—we would both choose Palestine, too.

But open up any other alternative to them—give them any other choice, and see what happens!

No poll, however, will be worth anything unless the nations of the earth are willing to open their doors—just a little—to the Jews. In other words, if in such a poll a Jew says he wants to go to Sweden, Sweden must be willing to accept him. If he votes for America, you must let him come in.

Any other kind of poll would be a farce. For the desperate Jew, this is no idle testing of opinion: this is a grave matter of life or death. Unless he is absolutely sure that his vote means something, he will always vote for Palestine, so as not to risk his bird in the hand for one in the bush.

In any event, Palestine can accept no more. The 65,000 Jews in Palestine in 1918 have jumped to 600,000 today. We Arabs have increased, too, but not by immigration. The Jews were then a mere 11 per cent of our population. Today they are one third of it.

The rate of increase has been terrifying. In a few more years—unless stopped now—it will overwhelm us, and we shall be an important minority in our own home.

Surely the rest of the wide world is rich enough and generous enough to find a place for 200,000 Jews—about one third the number that tiny, poor Palestine has already sheltered. For the rest of the world, it is hardly a drop in the bucket. For us it means national suicide.

We are sometimes told that since the Jews came to Palestine, the Arab standard of living has improved. This is a most complicated question. But let us even assume, for the argument, that it is true. We would rather be a bit poorer, and masters of our own home. Is this unnatural?

The sorry story of the so-called "Balfour Declaration," which started Zionist immigration into Palestine, is too complicated to repeat here in detail. It is grounded in broken promises to the Arabs—promises made in cold print which admit no denying.

We utterly deny its validity. We utterly deny the right of Great Britain to give away Arab land for a "national home" for an entirely foreign people.
Even the League of Nations sanction does not alter this. At the time, not a single Arab state was a member of the League. We were not allowed to say a word in our own defense.

I must point out, again in friendly frankness, that America was nearly as responsible as Britain for this Balfour Declaration. President Wilson approved it before it was issued, and the American Congress adopted it word for word in a joint resolution on 30th June, 1922.

In the 1920s, Arabs were annoyed and insulted by Zionist immigration, but not alarmed by it. It was steady, but fairly small, as even the Zionist founders thought it would remain. Indeed for some years, more Jews left Palestine than entered it—in 1927 almost twice as many.

But two new factors, entirely unforeseen by Britain or the League or America or the most fervent Zionist, arose in the early thirties to raise the immigration to undreamed heights. One was the World Depression; the second the rise of Hitler.

In 1932, the year before Hitler came to power, only 9,500 Jews came to Palestine. We did not welcome them, but we were not afraid that, at that rate, our solid Arab majority would ever be in danger.

But the next year—the year of Hitler—it jumped to 30,000! In 1934 it was 42,000! In 1935 it reached 61,000!

It was no longer the orderly arrival of idealist Zionists. Rather, all Europe was pouring its frightened Jews upon us. Then, at last, we, too, became frightened. We knew that unless this enormous influx stopped, we were, as Arabs, doomed in our Palestine homeland. And we have not changed our minds.

I have the impression that many Americans believe the trouble in Palestine is very remote from them, that America had little to do with it, and that your only interest now is that of a humane bystander.

I believe that you do not realise how directly you are, as a nation, responsible in general for the whole Zionist move and specifically for the present terrorism. I call this to your attention because I am certain that if you realise your responsibility you will act fairly to admit it and assume it.

Quite aside from official American support for the "National Home" of the Balfour Declaration, the Zionist settlements in Palestine would have been almost impossible, on anything like the current scale, without American money. This was contributed by American Jewry in an idealistic effort to help their fellows.

The motive was worthy: the result were disastrous. The contributions were by private individuals, but they were almost entirely Americans, and, as a nation, only America can answer for it.

The present catastrophe may be laid almost entirely at your door. Your government, almost alone in the world, is insisting on the immediate admission of 100,000 more Jews into Palestine—to be followed by countless additional ones. This will have the most frightful consequences in bloody chaos beyond anything ever hinted at in Palestine before.

It is your press and political leadership, almost alone in the world, who press this demand. It is almost entirely American money which hires or buys the "refugee ships" that steam illegally toward Palestine: American money which pays their crews. The illegal immigration from Europe is arranged by the Jewish Agency, supported almost entirely by American funds. It is American dollars which support the terrorists, which buy the bullets and pistols that kill British soldiers—your allies—and Arab citizens—your friends.

We in the Arab world were stunned to hear that you permit open advertisements in newspapers asking for money to finance these terrorists, to arm them openly and deliberately for murder. We could not believe this could really happen in the modern world. Now we must believe it: we have seen the advertisements with our own eyes.

I point out these things because nothing less than complete frankness will be of use. The crisis is too stark for mere polite vagueness which means nothing.
I have the most complete confidence in the fair-mindedness and generosity of the American public. We Arabs ask no favours. We ask only that you know the full truth, not half of it. We ask only that when you judge the Palestine question, you put yourselves in our place.

What would your answer be if some outside agency told you that you must accept in America many millions of utter strangers in your midst—enough to dominate your country—merely because they insisted on going to America, and because their forefathers had once lived there some 2,000 years ago?

Our answer is the same.

And what would be your action if, in spite of your refusal, this outside agency began forcing them on you?

Ours will be the same.

http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html

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bowtiedaddy

13-02-2009, 11:01 PM

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A reminder in case some never knew of these warning:

George Washington

( in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.)
"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

(George Washington)

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Benjamin Franklin

(This prophecy, by Benjamin Franklin, was made in a "CHIT CHAT AROUND THE TABLE DURING INTERMISSION", at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.)

"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.

In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.

If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise.

Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention."

Benjamin Franklin

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"Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in."

Thomas Jefferson

(D. Boorstin, THE AMERICANS)

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Mullins' NEW HISTORY of the JEWS

By Eustace Mullins

In all of recorded history, there was only one civilization which the Jews could not destroy. Because of this, they have given it the silent treatment. Few American college graduates with a Ph.D. degree could tell you what the Byzantine Empire was.

It was the Empire of East Rome, set up by Roman leaders after the Jews had destroyed Rome. This empire functioned in Constantinople for twelve hundred years, the longest duration of any empire in the history of the world.

Throughout the history of Byzantium, as it was known, by imperial edict, no Jew was allowed to hold any post in the Empire, nor was he allowed to educate the young. The Byzantine Empire finally fell to the Turks after twelve centuries of prosperity, and the Jews have attempted to wipe out all traces of its history.

Yet its edicts against the Jews were not cruel; in fact, the Jews lived unmolested and prosperously in the empire throughout its history, but here alone the vicious cycle of host and parasite did not take place.

It was a Christian civilization, and the Jews were not able to exercise any influence. Nor did the Orthodox priests bewilder their congregations with any vicious lies about Christ being a Jew.

No wonder the Jews want to eradicate the memory of such a culture.

It was Ezra Pound who launched upon a study of Byzantine civilization, and who reminded the world of this happily non-Jewish land.

From the Byzantines, Pound derived his no-violent formula for controlling the Jews.

"The answer to the Jewish problem is simple," he said.

"Keep them out of banking, out of education, out of government."

And this is how simple it is.

There is no need to kill the Jews. In fact, every pogrom in history has played into their hands, and has in many instances been cleverly instigated by them.

Get the Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community.

Get the Jews out of education and they can not pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines.

Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the nation.

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Want me to look up all of the quotes from the founding fathers talking about how black people were "scoundrels" and natives were "savages". They were a lot more racist in that time. just because they set up a fantastic government, doesn't mean they were by any means wise on the subject of race. These same folks said that shit, while they had hundreds of captured Africans serving on them hand and foot. Come on, now.

You're lamenting the fall of the exact same people who are orchestrating the current NWO? If it was the Jews that took it down, that would make them the heroes!

Using this logic, anyone who rebelled against the current fascist governments would be reprehensible. Do you just love the New World Order, or something? So what if some Jews don't conform socially. You want the NWO collectivist model to prevail, where everyone is forced into a narrow mold as dictated by The State of how to live, who to associate with, and so on? I don't tend to hang around ultra religious people, because they get on my nerves. It's my right. So, I'm separating from them because I can't stand them. So, it's really the same thing when they stick with their ultra religious cheerleaders. Who cares, I don't really want to be around a bunch of guys bobbing their heads and pulling on a couple of long strands of hair anyway. The Italians were a lot like that in the US as well. They still kind of are. Where is your hatred for all of the Italians? I mean, a few of them were in organized crime syndicates and did some horrible things to people...that must mean that Italians are working together in a conspiracy... :rolleyes:

Liberty means also having the freedom to live in your own way. You fight against the NWO, yet you embrace it's ideas. *scratches head* hmmm.. Odd. Most empires pretty much spell out what the NWO will be. The society that they want to create is very similar to how all empires have been set up, all out martial law, dictator "demigods" running the show, poverty and disease while the ruling class live away from "the plebs" in huge villas by the sea, who gamble, drink wine, have big orgies, and plan their next manufactured war they were going to send all of the poor people to fight for their own gain. Unfortunately the anti-roman revolutionary who was renamed "Jesus" and hijacked in an attempt to save the falling empire, since it's citizens were getting fed up and no longer satisfied by "bread and circuses" was turned into the Christian religion. (Jesus never intended to start a new religion)

You try to use an example of exactly what the NWO wants to bring in globally being taken down by the Jews as an argument? If the Jews took down the NWO of the time, wouldn't that make them heroes? They would have been the people just like us. It wasn't the Jews who took down the Empire, it was just the fact that an Empire can never sustain itself. That's why they're trying to bring it in globally and control people so much. They want to make an eternal fascist empire where people CAN'T bring it down. If the Jews brought down the empire, that's exactly what anyone with any amount of concern for freedom SHOULD want.

You'd be the perfect NWO candidate, easily misled, open to propaganda, and a hatred for liberty or individuality. You'll fit in very well in the Obamanation.

bowtiedaddy

13-02-2009, 11:09 PM

Amen

Okay... so what you're saying is. I shouldn't be able to exist because of no reason other than what I was born into? Are you fucking insane? How about all of the other people in power that'll fuck you after you kick the Jews out. How'd it work out when Hitler banned all Jews from doing the same things.... he kept right on trying to bring in the New World Order. Good thing he had mental illness and started fucking up, or the NWO would have been brought in, and you all would have joined the Jews and everyone else who wasn't seen by the Eugenists as "fit" to survive in the camps... much like the proposed FEMA camps, which, if they are opened, will be filled with anyone (Jews will most definitely be high on the list) who they don't see as "fit" or a threat to their control.

Anti-NWO people who have this world view are a walking contradiction. You believe in exactly what the Eugenists did and still do. They want to get all of the jews to go to Israel so they can wipe them all out in one fell swoop, once they rile up the Arabs enough. They spread disinfo on both sides claiming that the other is trying to destroy society.

If you believe that shit, you are just as stupid and foolish as the people who love their NWO "masters". In fact, you're playing their game perfectly. You might as well be Henry Kissenger himself.

bowtiedaddy

13-02-2009, 11:13 PM

By the way. Jews and Arabs weren't so divided until Europeans got involved. Jews are Arabs, ethnically, are pretty much the same. Not all "Jews" are actually Jews. You know? Divide and conquer, they say. Ever wonder why there has never been a Jewish empire? Funny, how these silly morons think that the Jews are the NWO. Yeah..... okay :rolleyes:

Way to support the New World Order guys, keep up the "good work".

jiffy

13-02-2009, 11:55 PM

Gob smacked at this forum...It seems to be generally agreed that the NWO is a Fascist Dictatorship. Yet so many on here are THIS - close to being a brown shirt.

I personally think some on here are a f!cking disgrace to the human race. Karma my evil friends Karma;)

yozhik

14-02-2009, 12:04 AM

Okay... so what you're saying is. I shouldn't be able to exist because of no reason other than what I was born into? Are you fucking insane? How about all of the other people in power that'll fuck you after you kick the Jews out. How'd it work out when Hitler banned all Jews from doing the same things.... he kept right on trying to bring in the New World Order. Good thing he had mental illness and started fucking up, or the NWO would have been brought in, and you all would have joined the Jews and everyone else who wasn't seen by the Eugenists as "fit" to survive in the camps... much like the proposed FEMA camps, which, if they are opened, will be filled with anyone (Jews will most definitely be high on the list) who they don't see as "fit" or a threat to their control.

Anti-NWO people who have this world view are a walking contradiction. You believe in exactly what the Eugenists did and still do. They want to get all of the jews to go to Israel so they can wipe them all out in one fell swoop, once they rile up the Arabs enough. They spread disinfo on both sides claiming that the other is trying to destroy society.

If you believe that shit, you are just as stupid and foolish as the people who love their NWO "masters". In fact, you're playing their game perfectly. You might as well be Henry Kissenger himself.

I think you need to chill out and step off the victim soapbox.
Who questioned your right to exist?
Just in case you're wondering, it's spelt p-a-r-a-n-o-i-a.
I hear medication is available for that.

You might as well be Henry Kissenger himself.
Kind of ironic you choose a Jew to press your point.

nofuture

14-02-2009, 12:09 AM

jiffy

14-02-2009, 12:12 AM

thought some would like this as an avatar
http://kjd.com.au/ss_symbol_ss_b_g.gif

gilly

14-02-2009, 12:16 AM

I've remained ignorant of politics quite deliberately, until very recently.

I really wish people would perceive others, not in terms of their race, but make it really simple, & call them the "goodies" - ordinary people of every race, & the "baddies" - murdering evil twats of every race - because, naive or not, I know that that's how it really is.

sophia_h

14-02-2009, 12:17 AM

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thought some would like this as an avatar
http://kjd.com.au/ss_symbol_ss_b_g.gif

That is absolutely inspiring !

Thanks for posting it.

:D

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jiffy

14-02-2009, 12:18 AM

Even Churchill had negative views on Jews, you wouldn't call him a raving genocidal Nazi would you.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.

LoL I suggest you research Churchill before painting him as some sort of "Angel" the bombing of Dresden springs to mind.

please don't quote religious mumbo jumbo for your justifications, the crusades spring to mind

nofuture

14-02-2009, 12:19 AM

He was a dreadful many in many respects, but never an anti semite.

jiffy

14-02-2009, 12:23 AM

He was a dreadful many in many respects, but never an anti semite.

I didn't know the man so I cant comment either way, but I can't recall him saying much that was nice about any race other than of course the great British Cannon fodder.

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:25 AM

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:27 AM

I hear medication is available for that.

trying to boost yr big-pharma shares again??

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:29 AM

Even Churchill had negative views on Jews, you wouldn't call him a raving genocidal Nazi would you.

thats exactly wot he was
33 deg freemason
wake up..

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:30 AM

That is absolutely inspiring !

thought it wd inspire u shia_hop

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 12:30 AM

I think you need to chill out and step off the victim soapbox.
Who questioned your right to exist?
Just in case you're wondering, it's spelt p-a-r-a-n-o-i-a.
I hear medication is available for that.

Kind of ironic you choose a Jew to press your point.

Well, you said that Jews should not be allowed to do anything. I am a Jew (by birth only- I don't follow any religion). So... that means that you would be advocating legislation that doesn't allow me to exist.

Sorry. I don't think of people like that. He's a Jew. So what? David Rockefeller is German, Obama is Part African and Part British. The British royal family are German... blah blah blah. As I said, way to go supporting the New World Order. Maybe they'll give you a special position in the prison camp incinerator rooms. I hear that you get wicked food rations if you're the one who throws the people in. Heil Obama!

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:33 AM

He was a dreadful many in many respects, but never an anti semite.

wots yr definition of anti-semite?
anti-jew wont do
there r many factions within Jewry
not all subscribe to the same beliefs
do sum rsch on Jewry..

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 12:34 AM

Even Churchill had negative views on Jews, you wouldn't call him a raving genocidal Nazi would you.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.

Churchill was put in power by the Rothschilds. Follow the money.

nofuture

14-02-2009, 12:35 AM

I know there are different elements within Jewry.

I was talking about people who generally identify themselves as Jews.

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:36 AM

wots yr definition of anti-semite?
anti-jew wont do
there r many factions within Jewry
not all subscribe to the same beliefs
do sum rsch on Jewry..

infact Jews rnt the only race classed as semitic
lots u dont know?

yozhik

14-02-2009, 12:38 AM

Well, you said that Jews should not be allowed to do anything.

Not correct. You really do need to get off that victim soapbox that blurs the lines and distorts information, manipulating anything to suit your purpose.

The original post, which quoted an earlier politician, suggested keeping jews out of American government, education and banking.

... and you claim that excludes Jews from doing "anything" ??

:D

You're kind of proving a point ... you know?
There are other career prospects other than politics, education and banking.

nofuture

14-02-2009, 12:38 AM

Semitic is a linguistic term is it not? It encompasses both Arabs and Jews.

Do some research.

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 12:39 AM

wots yr definition of anti-semite?
anti-jew wont do
there r many factions within Jewry
not all subscribe to the same beliefs
do sum rsch on Jewry..

What Jews do best... argue with each other. If you actually know many Jews, a conspiracy would be LAUGHABLE. You can't get two Jews to agree on anything, especially religious views. It's pretty common to find Rabbis spending all of their time yelling at each other over what scriptures mean (they spend more time doing that than anything else, it seems). In fact, debate is part of Jewish culture. The Jews would be the last group of people who could pull off a conspiracy. It would never get off the ground, they'd be stuck at the planning stage arguing with each other until the end of time.

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 12:43 AM

Not correct. You really do need to get off that victim soapbox that blurs the lines and distorts information, manipulating anything to suit your purpose.

The original post, which quoted an earlier politician, suggested keeping jews out of American government, education and banking.

... and you claim that excludes Jews from doing "anything" ??

:D

You're kind of proving a point ... you know?
There are other career prospects other than politics, education and banking.

So, I should not be allowed to teach people, be active in politics, or be financially successful because of what family I happened to have been born in? Even though my viewpoints are the polar opposite of tyranny. Surely there are, but what you are saying is that there should be racial laws banning certain ethnicities from certain jobs. You are literally ASKING for the New World Order. Everything you advocated is what is done every time the Illuminati try to bring in the New World Order. By the looks of it, they're trying to rally support to do it again. You people are fools if you can't see that. Pay attention to the world around you.

The point is these NWO fucks do things incrementally. Look at the history books. They ban Jews from those positions, then ban any Jews from working at all, other than in select neighborhoods. Then they put fences and guards around the neighborhoods, Then they shut down even those businesses and start forced labour programs, sending people who outlive their usefulness to death camps. Then, once they've done it with the Jews, they come after all of the other "unfit". They kill off all of the mentally and physically handicapped, political dissenters, homeless and dirt poor, people with health problems, black people, homosexuals, people who don't worship their leader enough.

How can you be against tyranny, but ask for tyranny as a response. Problem Reaction Solution. You're the kind of person the NWO love. You believe their lies even more than the average person who is completely unaware of it.

Say hi to David Rockefeller for me, okay?

eternal_spirit

14-02-2009, 12:49 AM

Well, you said that Jews should not be allowed to do anything. I am a Jew (by birth only- I don't follow any religion). So... that means that you would be advocating legislation that doesn't allow me to exist.

Sorry. I don't think of people like that. He's a Jew. So what? David Rockefeller is German, Obama is Part African and Part British. The British royal family are German... blah blah blah. As I said, way to go supporting the New World Order. Maybe they'll give you a special position in the prison camp incinerator rooms. I hear that you get wicked food rations if you're the one who throws the people in. Heil Obama!

Jews
Within the British aristocracy and European nobility?

That’s right. Foremost amongst them is the Queens first cousin, the Duke of Kent, who heads the Quatuor Coronation “research” lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry. The Lodge has an ongoing operation on Temple Mount itself, run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquis of Northampton, Spencer Douglas David Compton. Admittedly it may seem a little odd that British aristocrats are involved in the goings on at Temple Mount but take note, it gets even stranger. Because the Duke of Kent and Lord Northampton are both adherents of British Israelism: a doctrine that holds that the cream of British aristocracy is descended from one of the lost Tribes of Israel.

According to Lord Northampton: “I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the North of Wales, and then down into England. And then became some of the oldest families we have.” In Lord Northamptons view America was also colonised by another of the lost Tribes. “That was all predicted, that one would go to Hyperborea, the land of the north, and one would go across the sea.” He told an interviewer: . . “so I think that America and England got the Two Lost Tribes, and that is why they then, in a very intellectual Jewish way, started to run the world!”

http://the-red-thread.net/index.html

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:57 AM

Semitic is a linguistic term is it not? It encompasses both Arabs and Jews.

yes, so wots yr definition of anti-semite??

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 12:57 AM

Jews
Within the British aristocracy and European nobility?

That’s right. Foremost amongst them is the Queens first cousin, the Duke of Kent, who heads the Quatuor Coronation “research” lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry. The Lodge has an ongoing operation on Temple Mount itself, run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquis of Northampton, Spencer Douglas David Compton. Admittedly it may seem a little odd that British aristocrats are involved in the goings on at Temple Mount but take note, it gets even stranger. Because the Duke of Kent and Lord Northampton are both adherents of British Israelism: a doctrine that holds that the cream of British aristocracy is descended from one of the lost Tribes of Israel.

According to Lord Northampton: “I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the North of Wales, and then down into England. And then became some of the oldest families we have.” In Lord Northamptons view America was also colonised by another of the lost Tribes. “That was all predicted, that one would go to Hyperborea, the land of the north, and one would go across the sea.” He told an interviewer: . . “so I think that America and England got the Two Lost Tribes, and that is why they then, in a very intellectual Jewish way, started to run the world!”

http://the-red-thread.net/index.html

They aren't really Jews. They are actually German. Just like how the Rothschilds claim to be Jews. Kaballah isn't Judaism. It was probably just said to be Jewish much the same way as "The Rapture" is supposedly a Christian concept. The Freemasons have a closer affinity with Egypt. The Hexagram is not a traditional Jewish symbol. Nazis gave the Jews it, just many Jews aren't aware of that.

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:58 AM

The Jews would be the last group of people who could pull off a conspiracy. It would never get off the ground, they'd be stuck at the planning stage arguing with each other until the end of time.

really?
they didnt do 2 bad in mumbai..

or is that not wot u mean??

yozhik

14-02-2009, 01:00 AM

Say hi to David Rockefeller for me, okay?

Maybe you can do that next time you see him in a synagogue.

But I am incredibly amused at your incredible "reach".
Once upon a time in Zionist fairyland, anything could be labelled anti-semitic.
Now, the disinfo-du-jour is to label it pro-NWO.

Nice touch.
:D

.

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 01:00 AM

really?
they didnt do 2 bad in mumbai..

or is that not wot u mean??

Israel is not the Jews. Israel was founded by a bunch of Nazis.

jiffy

14-02-2009, 01:07 AM

What Jews do best... argue with each other. If you actually know many Jews, a conspiracy would be LAUGHABLE. You can't get two Jews to agree on anything, especially religious views. It's pretty common to find Rabbis spending all of their time yelling at each other over what scriptures mean (they spend more time doing that than anything else, it seems). In fact, debate is part of Jewish culture. The Jews would be the last group of people who could pull off a conspiracy. It would never get off the ground, they'd be stuck at the planning stage arguing with each other until the end of time.

This made me laugh, anyone who knows Jews knows how true this is:D

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 01:07 AM

Maybe you can do that next time you see him in a synagogue.

But I am incredibly amused at your incredible "reach".
Once upon a time in Zionist fairyland, anything could be labelled anti-semitic.
Now, the disinfo-du-jour is to label it pro-NWO.

Nice touch.
:D

.

David Rockefeller is not a Jew. He is German. You are a complete idiot. I guess that's why the NWO always exterminate Jews, beacause they are all Jews. Yeah.. okay buddy. :rolleyes:

The Jews aren't in charge of anything any more than Obama is really in control of the USA.

I said that you are pro NWO, because you say that you like NWO agendas. It's called logic. If you praise tyranny, it's probably... a little more than safe to say... you're pro NWO and anti liberty. The people operating the NWO are the same people that have killed Jews since the Roman Empire. But but....the government propaganda said that the Jews did it.. but but... The Arabs (same bloodline as Jews) did 9/11... but.... everyone in israel is a Jew... but but but. Come on, now. Are you really that dense? How much do they pay you to type this retarded shit? Is it hourly or by the word?

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 01:08 AM

Israel is not the Jews. Israel was founded by a bunch of Nazis.

correct

eternal_spirit

14-02-2009, 01:08 AM

Israel is not the Jews. Israel was founded by a bunch of Nazis.
What's the head of the Jewish Sanhedrim called? it's called "Nasi."

Coincidence?

Back to the everythings down to the Nazis, usual Jewish behaviour.

nofuture

14-02-2009, 01:10 AM

yes, so wots yr definition of anti-semite??

The generally accepted definition of the term, what is yours?

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 01:10 AM

Is it hourly or by the word?

no he does it 4 love
love of the Beast..

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 01:13 AM

The generally accepted definition of the term, what is yours?

all i'm saying is if there r many factions, often opposing each other surely the term is meaningless?

eternal_spirit

14-02-2009, 01:15 AM

yes, so wots yr definition of anti-semite??

What does he consider a Jew?

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 01:17 AM

What's the head of the Jewish Sanhedrim called? it's called "Nasi."

Coincidence?

Back to the everythings down to the Nazis, usual Jewish behaviour.

Not specifically the Nazis from Germany, but what inspired them. It's a little bit easier to use that term, rather than explaining in long form. It's basically the Eugenic Scientific Dictatorship. The Germans were just being used at the time for it.

The problem with relying completely on etymology to prove anything like this is the very nature of etymology itself. It's so connected to culture that literally anything could be proof of guilt. I could find a way, using that tactic to make ANYONE out to be the head of the Illuminati. This is why I roll my eyes at the "news behind the news" thread on here. Maybe 1/100th of what is said on there is real... I'd be interested to throw my own artwork up there and watch them find some insidious Illuminati hidden message in it. Oh no! The Jewish bankers wrote my music for me! I sacrifice Christian babies to Saturn (Satan). Yep. See you in the camps buddy, as I'll be right there with you... hell, being Jewish, I'll probably have a head start, they might be marching me into the incinerator room as you arrive.

yozhik

14-02-2009, 01:18 AM

I said that you are pro NWO, because you say that you like NWO agendas.

Where did I say this?

It's called logic. If you praise tyranny, it's probably... a little more than safe to say... you're pro NWO and anti liberty.

Where did I say this?

The people operating the NWO are the same people that have killed Jews since the Roman Empire. But but....the government propaganda said that the Jews did it.. but but... The Arabs (same bloodline as Jews) did 9/11... but.... everyone in israel is a Jew...

Where did I say this?

Geeeeeeeeez ... you seriously are dillusional.
Next you'll be saying I'm a baby killer and guilty of genocide and the slaughter of thousands of innocent people in Gaza !

Shit ... someone has already claimed that title.
Oh well ... back to the drawing board.

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 01:22 AM

all i'm saying is if there r many factions, often opposing each other surely the term is meaningless?

I completely agree. Just what I was saying. Jews aren't exactly famous for being able to agree on anything. You think that Christians are divided? At least you have unity within one church. You can hardly find two Jews period to agree on exactly what their religion means. The dietary laws are probably the only thing that Jews have all agreed on lol.

Other than that, you're just talking about an ethnicity. I thought people had gotten smarter than to believe the NWO lie that ethnicity in itself is anything other than just Ethnicity.

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 01:29 AM

Where did I say this?

Where did I say this?

Where did I say this?

Geeeeeeeeez ... you seriously are dillusional.
Next you'll be saying I'm a baby killer and guilty of genocide and the slaughter of thousands of innocent people in Gaza !

Shit ... someone has already claimed that title.
Oh well ... back to the drawing board.

ISRAEL is guilty of the innocent people killed in Gaza. Israel has nothing to do with the Jewish Ethnicity. It was founded as a means to get rid of Jews, you dolt. You have to get beyond Israel to see the bigger picture. Israel is being PURPOSEFULLY controlled to do horrible things. It was all a set up, to kill off as many Jews and Arabs as possible. They want the Arabs to kill all of the Jews and then the people in the west to react by killing all of the Arabs. Why else do you think all of the NWO shills are standing up on TV and denouncing (rightfully) the actions in Gaza. Do these people normally do this? There is a reason why the police aren't doing much to stop the anti Israel protests. Look at the 9/11 truth protests, and there are police beating the ever loving shit out of people and sending them to Asbestos filled makeshift prisons.

I'm not standing up for Israel here, so don't accuse me of it. I'm just saying that the anti-Jew result is part of the plan. Problem Reaction Solution.

eternal_spirit

14-02-2009, 01:31 AM

Not specifically the Nazis from Germany, but what inspired them. It's a little bit easier to use that term, rather than explaining in long form. It's basically the Eugenic Scientific Dictatorship. The Germans were just being used at the time for it.

See you in the camps buddy, as I'll be right there with you... hell, being Jewish, I'll probably have a head start, they might be marching me into the incinerator room as you arrive.

Have you heard of this only came across it recently.

It's a selective breeding programme eugenics by Jews they choose the people they want to reproduce what they class intelligent Jews and those they class as Jews of lesser intelligence are not wanted. They have created an Elite.
http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/mac.htm

part of the Seymour W. Itzkoff series on Human Evolution, Behavior, and Intelligence - he discusses how Jewish eugenic practices led to the increase in intelligence of Western Jews to a level far above the average of the people they lived among. Jews average IQ is now 117 versus an average of 103 for Caucasians. His book details how this came about, using a selection process for intelligence that included not allowing outsiders to become Jews, while encouraging the less intelligent Jews to defect. So we know from this model that eugenics works and it is very beneficial for those who practice it. The problem is, the structure of Western culture is highly dysgenic for non-Jews and will remain that way until we can change the way we behave in the context of new economic and cultural realities.

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 01:32 AM

ISRAEL is guilty of the innocent people killed in Gaza. Israel has nothing to do with the Jewish Ethnicity. It was founded as a means to get rid of Jews, you dolt. You have to get beyond Israel to see the bigger picture. Israel is being PURPOSEFULLY controlled to do horrible things. It was all a set up, to kill off as many Jews and Arabs as possible. They want the Arabs to kill all of the Jews and then the people in the west to react by killing all of the Arabs. Why else do you think all of the NWO shills are standing up on TV and denouncing (rightfully) the actions in Gaza. Do these people normally do this? There is a reason why the police aren't doing much to stop the anti Israel protests. Look at the 9/11 truth protests, and there are police beating the ever loving shit out of people and sending them to Asbestos filled makeshift prisons.

I'm not standing up for Israel here, so don't accuse me of it. I'm just saying that the anti-Jew result is part of the plan. Problem Reaction Solution.

u r getting warm..

secondsun

14-02-2009, 04:22 AM

and the other two-thirds blame whom ??

...the other two thirds are oblivious to who runs the World!

bowtiedaddy

14-02-2009, 06:17 AM

u r getting warm..

I know...the east Europeans that converted to Judaism in the middle ages who claim to be ethnic Jews. I know all about that. That's sort of where the Rothschilds come from. They were one of the pretend Jews, even though I doubt they actually follow the religion either. My lineage is semitic in what part of me that is Jewish. I'm also a bit native. So.

14april2000

14-02-2009, 07:57 AM

what absolute codswallop. if that saw so then why would the "Gentile elite in the UN" siphon TRILLIONS and BILLIONS out of europe and send it to zionist occupied palestine ?

Alot this is of-topic

No it is not codswallop, let me explane the land where isreal and palestine is build on is the land is where the ancient Canaanite civilization use be, and it has a critical astrological position.

The creation of state isreal was cover story and the Zabbateans Zionists are not it` the masters. The biggest puppet is Shimon Peres the man behind the murder of Yitzhak Rabin. Jerusalem has being a vatican control city since the 1993 Olso peace agreement. The the Zabbateans zionists cot not care less what happen to the average jew/jews. or isreal for that matter.

There is much bigger plans for the near future and future. listen to Barry Chamish he knows what he talks about. google him, he is a great jewish truthseeker.http://www.thebarrychamishwebsite.com

The Gentile Iluminati elite at it`s higest level has an obsession with israel because, as i said befor its build on the land where the ancient Canaanite civilization use to be, and it has a critical astrological position. Something that is a huge thing in the high illuminati level. The vatican wil move there HQ to Jerusalem and build huge structure on everything that is there is today.

Canaanite was the most advanced civilisation ever existed even beyond todays standard.

If you listen to Henry Makow, Jeff rense and Alex Jones you will not get true meaning of the nwo because they paid professonal disinfomation agents at very high level. Even that do have alot infomation good infomation, like Makows interview with Svali.

If you don`t get, and still want to believe the idea that zionist rule the world it`s fine with me. But you are playing the iliminatis game

Netanyahu: Obama Will Try to Internationalize Jerusalem Sites
Shevat 3, 5769, 28 January 2009
by Hana Levi Julian
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129651

How The Zabbateans
Will Destroy Israel
By Jack Manuelian
6-9-5
When the Zabbatean Zionists created the modern state of Israel they also made plans for the creation of an anti-Israel "force" in the Middle East that would be used to destroy their experiment of modern Israel. The Zabbatean Zionists would be both the creators and indirect destroyers of the state of Israel. Nowadays inner Zabbatean Zionists are activating the "self-destruction" mechanism of modern Israel; their plan is to bring a Turkish muslim dictator as a ruler of Turkey, a Muslim Hitler-like destroyer, a Turkish Bin Laden who will unite the various factions in Turkey and lead them to the old glory they once knew. Presently the invisible rulers of Turkey are not real Turks but rather infiltrated secular "Turks" who are the secret followers of the anti-Mohammed and anti-Christ prophet Zabbatai Zevi, who was the founder of the Turkish Donmeh Zabbatean sect and of the Zabbataean movement in general. http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/pr...0727&ID=4996459

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssxFqXdQfJk
Jeff Rense talks to Barry Chamish about a scenario in wich the NWO will try to destroy Israel.

Another interpretive key (i.e. the astrological key) to the 22 card positions is ... The 'Israel' position represents something that is critical and
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~astroqab/jw_tarot_spread.htm

From Henry Makows interview witt Svali
http://www.henrymakow.com/141002.html

Israel
Svali: "The conflict in the Middle East is only to the advantage of the Illuminists. They HATE Israel, and hope one day to see it destroyed, and are biding their time. One of the olive branches offered by the UN when it takes over is that they will prevent war in the Middle East, and this will be greeted with joy by many.

At the same time, the Illuminati covertly supply guns and funds to BOTH sides to keep the conflict fuelled. They are very duplicitous people. They used to funnel guns through the USSR to Palestine, for example, in the name of promoting "friendliness" between the USSR and this state and other Arab nations. Then, the US Illuminists would help funnel guns to Israel, for the same reason.

These people love the game of chess, and see warfare between nations as creating an order out of chaos.

Israeli President (former PM) Shimon Peres is a Jesuit-educated Freemason
www.vaticanassassins.org/ny_attack.htm

by Barry Chamish
Peres, educated in his youth at a Jesuit school in Poland, is the highest ranking operative run by the Jesuits in Israel and his task is spreading chaos
www.vaticanassassins.org/jesuit_peres.htm

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/ny_attack.htm

Shimon Peres is a Jesuit Agent
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=27726

Yitzhak Rabin`s magic disappearing hole
http://www.yitchakrabin.com/Barry%20Chamish/html/yitzhak_rabin_disapp_hole.html

Freemason Israel Prime Ministers, 1948-2008
http://lefemineforlife.blogspot.com/2008/05/freemason-israel-prime-ministers-1948.html

The Vatican Agenda
By: Joel Bainerman
http://www.joelbainerman.com/articles/vatican.asp

Israelis have probably never thought very much about what the Roman Catholic Church/The Vatican thinks about "end of days" theology. Jews themselves don't give much thought to what will happen when "Gog and Magog" takes place. Jews don't go in for anything the least bit "next world" but instead are firmly planted in the here and know. That's good.

However it doesn't matter what Jews think, what matters is what The Vatican believes, and why it believes this. Judaism, and modern Jewish thought pretty much just dismisses the basic tenets of Catholicism outright and doesn't even bother addressing the core questions of what is behind "Catholic theological claims."

Instead of taking what they believe seriously, we tend to snicker amongst ourselves when we see those pictures of obscure rituals and ceremonies, and think the whole religion is near pagan-like with the "eating of Holy Wafers" and "sprinkling of Baptism water" on people's heads. That may be true, but that doesn't matter. What matters is what they believe and what they plan to do about making their beliefs become a reality.

The institution of "The Vatican" is not understood by Israelis and Jews. The conventional wisdom you get from the spokespersons in Israeli government ministries and the conventional Israeli media is "both sides have great intentions to do good" and that's about it. When it comes to Israel's bi-lateral affairs, nothing much gets investigated by the Israeli media. Thus a secret deal could be done between the Vatican and the State of Israel and nobody in Israel would ever find out about it.

In fact, that is exactly what happened.

This essay will provide the background to that deal, as well as what the Vatican's intentions are regarding Israel and The Old City Of Jerusalem. It will reveal which Israeli politicians made certain commitments to The Vatican regarding the issue of sovereignty in the Old City of Jerusalem. These negotiations and meetings were all carried out in secret. During this time period, 1992-l995, the Oslo Accords was what got all the public's attention. Oslo was like "throwing sand in the eyes" of the public. The Vatican is where the real action was happening. Oslo seemed to be just the cover story. A "red herring", if you will.

What Does The Vatican Want?

It can't be that the Vatican is only interested in "access to their Holy Sites" in Jerusalem. They already have that as well as legal jurisdiction under Israeli law for their institutions and assets in Jerusalem. Also, when these "Holy Sites" were under the jurisdiction of the Jordanians from l948-l967, no Pope demanded the "internationalization of Jerusalem".

It is something else, which the Vatican wants. The Roman Catholic Church, need to have certain versions of events be played out for them to stand in front of mankind and proclaim: our Messiah has returned." Of course, to the Jews, this Messiah will be as false as the first one was supposed to be. Don't matter. This is the goal of the Vatican and this is what all Israelis need to worry about.

The Vatican/Roman Catholic's version of events is this:
They know this isn't the end of the story that the Jewish G-d had in mind, but that doesn't mean they won't try and engineer their own ending to the story. So what if it is fraudulent. Doesn't matter, that is their game plan and that is what matters and that is what Israeli Jews need to be better informed about. It is important for everyone to know what The Vatican have up its sleeve because it directly relates to our existence and our future destiny as an independent nation. This a very powerful force this is scheming to get control of the Old City of Jerusalem so you better know why and how the Vatican intends to do this. Once you have all the facts and the chronological record you will be better informed deal with this issue and of foreign control over Israel's political existence and destiny.

First, you have to realize that for centuries The Vatican has attempted to obtain control of Jerusalem, which started with the Crusades. For them to convince the world that the Messiah they put on the world's stage is going to be accepted as genuine, they need to perform this play in the Old City. The story of this production is that this "Messiah" will merge the three monotheistic religions, usher in peace and harmony in the world, and solve the Middle East conflict. The location for this "production" will be in none other than the Old City of Jerusalem.

This so-called "Messiah" that will be proclaimed, will be a false one and it will insist that by having a "world government" (i.e., the United Nations) the world peace and harmony will be ushered in. This will be a lie, and a fraud, but never mind. In our world, reality isn't important. Public perceptions are. The end result is the stripping of Israel's sovereignty as an independent nation giving way to a "regional bloc of nations" in the Middle East. Israel will be pressured to accede to these demands by all world bodies and the superpowers on the claim that "this is the only way to solve the Middle East conflict). In order to the Jews to go along they will convince them that with the "Messiah" having appeared for the Jews, it is time to start rebuilding the Third Temple- what they call "Solomon's Temple". This version of events is widely available through a simple search on the Internet as there are many Christian groups and organizations (the majority of which who are very pro-Israel) who don't buy into these beliefs and thus are against them. I didn't come up with the theory- I am just brining it to the attention of the Israeli public.

Make no mistake about it. The Old City of Jerusalem, as well as most of the eastern half of the city, is what The Vatican is after.

Why?

Because controlling the entire Old City of Jerusalem (and not just Church properties) and being able to build whatever they want on Mount Zion is critical for the program they have planned to put into play in our capital city. The deal that it has signed with Israel via Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres (in secret and without the approval of the Knesset) gives The Church not only extraterritorial status to their properties (which is what the bi-lateral agreement the Israeli government signed with the Vatican on December 30th, 1993, put in law) but of control over the entire city as "custodians" under UN presence. In this way the Jews will give up control over the Old City. To the Vatican the Israeli people would have a problem with. To the UN, they would say, "we had no choice".

A Chronology Of The Attempt By The Vatican To Displace Israel From The Old City Of Jerusalem

The "Chronology of Events" for the Vatican's conquest of the Old City of Jerusalem is as follows- all of which can be verified via the sources of the information:

October 1991
On October 12th, the head of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar Bronfman, is appointed head of the International Jewish Committee of Inter-religious Consultation to conduct officials contacts with The Vatican and the State of Israel.

March 1992
On March 17th, Jerusalem Mayor Teddy Kollek says: "The Israeli government should meet the Vatican's demand to apply special status for Jerusalem."

April 1992
On April 1st, The Vatican announced that it "favors a Labor victory" in the June 1992 general elections in Israel.

On April 15th, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, one of the highest ranking diplomats at The Vatican, visits Israel for the first time but only meets with Jerusalem Mayor Teddy Kollek.

June 1992
The story of The Catholic Church's attempt to abscond with the Old City of Jerusalem from the Jews begins in July 1992. According to the information on the Foreign Ministry website, literally from the moment the new Rabin-led Labor government took over from Yitzhak Shamir's defeated Likud party, secret talks with the Vatican and the State of Israel began. What precipitated these secret talks? Who arranged these talks, and why? Why were they kept secret from the Israeli public? What was the end result of these agreements? Where do they stand today? The entire subject of Israel's bi-lateral relations with the Vatican is intentionally kept locked away in secrecy. It is no wonder that nobody in Israel knows much about "Israel-Vatican relations" as it is never, ever reported on in the Israeli press.

The official story of the origins of Israel's "secret channel contacts" between Beilin's negotiating team and the Vatican comes about as a result of Shlomo Gur, a personal aide to Deputy Foreign Minister Yossi Beilin, who knew someone who put him in touch with Father David Jaeger. Father David Jaeger was president of the Catholic Court in Austin, Texas, and was brought up as an Israeli orthodox Jew who then converted to Catholicism and became a Father (not something that has happened to many Israelis who grew up Orthodox). From there, which according to the information on the Israel Foreign Ministry website was in July 1992 right after the new Rabin government took over power, nothing is known about the discussions until the agreement is signed on Dec. 30th, 1993. Nothing in the Israeli press. The info given on the actual agreement signed was very minimal and general in tone. This is probably one of the most important political contacts Israel has in the world's "power structure" yet it isn't reported on in the press. Thus no Israelis know about it. That is how it remains hidden.

November, l992
The document which was used as the underlying ideological basis for the Vatican's secret deal with Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres was personally authored by Beilin. "The Illegitimacy of Israeli Sovereignty Over Jerusalem" outlines the Israeli government's program for the future of Jerusalem and calls for the division of the Old City into cantons whose border posts will be under UN control.

The plan which led to the December, 1993 agreement between The Vatican and the State of Israel was originally discussed in November 1992 at the exact same time the first meetings in London took place to discuss an agreement between Israel and the PLO which led to the Oslo Agreements. The real goal was the Vatican attempt to take over the Old City of Jerusalem. Oslo, or, "peace between Israel and the Palestinians" was just a good cover story to hide what was really going on in another sphere of Israel's foreign affairs.

September, 1993
On the 10th of September, just three days before the signing of the Oslo Accords Washington, the Italian newspaper La Stampa reported that then Foreign Minister Shimon Peres concluded a secret deal with the Vatican to hand over sovereignty of Jerusalem's Old City to the Vatican. the agreement and it was included in the secret clauses of the Declaration Of Principles signed on September 13th, 1993 in Washington, DC.

In the same week that Israeli Foreign Minister and chief Oslo architect Shimon Peres signed the Declaration of Principles with Yasser Arafat in Washington, the Israel-Vatican commission held a special meeting in Israel. Under the Vatican agreement the Israelis would give over control the Old City to the Vatican before the year 2000. The plan also calls for Jerusalem to become the second Vatican of the world with all three major religions represented but under the authority of the Vatican. Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel but the Old City will be administered by the Vatican.

Arafat agreed to the plan just before the famous "handshake" in 1993, but when he realized that the Vatican was also going to let Israel share in the temple mount, he rejected it. (To get Arafat and the Palestinians "on board", on February 14th, 2000, the PA did sign an agreement with the Vatican which recognized the Palestinians' claims to East Jerusalem. The outbreak of the "Al Asqa Intifada" seven months after this agreement was signed may have been part of the commitment Arafat gave the Vatican as to what he would do for him in return for the Vatican acknowledging Palestinians claims to East Jerusalem and the right to statehood. The violence in the Middle East serves the Catholic Church's interest especially if Jerusalem is the subject to discuss. By Arafat getting guarantees from the Vatican that no matter what he does the Europeans will not abandon him, then it makes sense for him to declare war on Israel in Sept 2000. The "Barak gave him everything at Camp David" is propaganda. Nothing was offered that the Knesset would have approved. The intifada could only have happened if Arafat had gotten assurances from major European powers that he would survive. The agreement on Feb 2000 would have made more sense if it had occurred three or four years previous. However its timing when it was makes the Sept 2000 intifada seem logical from Arafat's perspective.

November 1993
In a report in the Jerusalem weekly newspaper Kol Ha'ir, it was revealed that: "for the past six months, The Israeli government has been taking advice on the future of Jerusalem from a planning commission headed by a close aide of Teddy Kollek, Raanan Weitz, formerly the settlement director of the Jewish Agency. At a secret meeting on September 9, 1993, one day before Prime Minister Rabin signed the recognition agreement with the PLO in Israel, the forum met secretly and approved in principle a plan for Jerusalem concocted by Weitz, which he calls, "Metropolitan Jerusalem."

December, 1993
With absolutely no media coverage in Israel, on December 30th an "historic agreement with the Vatican" is publicly acknowledged. Called: "The Fundamental Agreement Between The Holy See and The State of Israel", it declares:
"Mindful of the singular character and universal significance of the Holy Land. Aware of the unique nature of the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Jewish people, and of the historic process of reconciliation and growth in mutual understanding and friendship between Catholics and Jews;
"Having decided on 29 July 1992 to establish a 'Bilateral Permanent Working Commission', in order to study and define together issues of common interest, and in view of normalizing their relations."

Already within one month of taking power there was a special committee to further "Israeli-Vatican Relations". From where did this initiative come so soon as the new government took office?

April 1994
Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem Shmuel Meir announces at a Jerusalem press conference that he had received information that properties promised to the Vatican in Jerusalem would be granted extraterritorial status. (In early 1996 Meir was killed in a very suspicious car crash whereby the driver who drove a UN truck into Meir's car was not even charged.)

May 1994
Marek Halter, a French intellectual/philosopher and a close friend of Peres, tells the Israeli weekly magazine HaShishi that he personally delivered a letter from Peres to the Pope in Sept, 1993 in which Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem, granting the UN political control of the Old City of Jerusalem, and the Vatican hegemony of the holy sites within. The UN would give the PLO a capital within its new territory and East Jerusalem would become a kind of free trade zone of world diplomacy.

June 1994
On June 15th, the Israeli government signs an agreement with The Vatican allowing the Catholic Church to participate in negotiations to determine the future of Jerusalem.

July, 1994
On July 9th, 1994, the Vatican's Foreign Minister, Jean-Louis Tauran, announces in Amman, Jordan: "Before territorial problems are resolved, we have to find international guarantees to safeguard the uniqueness of the city and assurances that never again one party should claim Jerusalem as its possession."

November l994
Israel signs a peace treaty with Jordan which, according to reports in Haaretz, Maariv, and Yediot Achronot, included secret clauses concerning water and Jerusalem. The agreement had been negotiated in London eight months before between Rabin, King Hussein, and Lord Victor Mishcon. As part of the agreement, Jordan would receive control over the Islamic Holy sites within a Vatican-controlled Old City of Jerusalem.

March 1995
A cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome to The Foreign Ministry was in Jerusalem is leaked to radio station Arutz Sheva, confirming the handover of Jerusalem to the Vatican. Two days later the cable made front page of Haaretz. In the widely distributed minutes of a meeting with President Clinton in 1997, Peres ended the cable with the words, "as I had previously promised the Holy See."

April 1995
Member of Knesset Avraham Shapira announced in the Knesset that he had information that all Vatican property in Jerusalem was to become tax exempt and that large tracts of real estate on Mount Zion were given to the Pope in perpetuity.

February l996
A delegation from the Vatican met in Jerusalem with Palestinian Authority Religious Affairs Minister, Hassan Tahbob. Father Serge Sebastian, Secretary General of the Vatican, announced that the Holy See recognizes Palestinian sovereignty over East Jerusalem. After Shimon Peres had replaced Yitzhak Rabin as Israel's prime minister, Internal Security Minister Moshe Shachal refused to allow a Palestinian Authority meeting at the Vatican's Notre Dame Hospice in Jerusalem. According to Shachal, the Palestinians were planning to "use the Vatican to circumvent the Oslo Accords."

November, 1997
On November 10th, the State of Israel and the Vatican sign the "Legal Personality Agreement" whereby the State of Israel agrees to "assure full effect law to the legal personality of the Catholic Church itself." (What that means in plain english is anyone's guess.)

February 2000
Hedging its bets by having bi-lateral agreements with both sides in the Arab-Israeli conflict, on February 14th, Pope John Paul 11 meets Arafat in Rome to sign an accord to normalize relations between Roman Catholic churches in Jerusalem and PA. Palestinian Legislative Council Speaker Ahmed Qurei told The Jerusalem Post that the agreement is "recognition by the Catholic Church of the Palestinian claims to the eastern half of Jerusalem." According to Arafat's spokesperson, Nabil Abu Rudaineh, "Arafat had been lobbying for the idea of sharing undivided Jerusalem, and for creating a Vatican-style sovereignty in the Old City." (Somehow we are supposed to believe that Arafat initiated this, and not the Vatican). The agreement calls for Jerusalem to be "an international city based on international resolutions and an international guarantee." The pack was signed despite the Vatican having signed an agreement with Israel six years earlier on December 30th, 1993 which gave legal jurisdiction under Israeli law over the Church's own institutions and assets in the Holy Land.

March 2000
The Pope visits the Holy Land and repeats the Holy See's insistence that" international oversight- 'a special statute, internationally guaranteed'- would best safeguard the city's holy sites and all its religions. The city of Jerusalem is the main obstacle to peace in the region."

On March 27th, the Palestinian Authority says that The Vatican no longer insists on international status for the Old City of Jerusalem, and that The Vatican accepts the political division of the Old City between Israel and the Palestinians. (One has to wonder if this agreement had anything to do with Arafat's decision to wage war on Israel six months later?)

October 2000
In a speech to the United Nations on October 30th, Archbishop Renato Martino declared: "The "unique character" of Jerusalem as a city sacred to three great religions makes it essential that religious leaders, not politicians, control the holy sites." In his meeting on October 26th with Lebanese Ambassador to the Vatican, Fouad Aoun, Pope John Paul 11 said that the city of Jerusalem should be given "specially guaranteed international status."

January 2001
Israel TV journalists secretly film under the Shrine Of Omar, the 7th century Islamic building which may have been deliberately constructed over the Holy of Holies, them most sacred prayer room of the ancient Jewish Temple. The video revealed a new and massive tunnel aimed directly at the most sacred core of Solomon's and later, Herod's Temples. During the Crusades the early 12th century chivalric order, The Knights Templer, dug under the ruins for nine years and found a network of tunnels where the Jewish priests hid their treasures form the marauding Romans in 70 CE. It was also assumed that the original records of the Jerusalem Church which prove that the Vatican was not practicing Christianity as its founders had intended, was buried in this spot. A pope with exclusive rights of divine interpretation was not part of G-d's plan. If these scrolls were made public they would jeopardize Rome's legitimacy. Thus it is imperative to The Vatican that the Jews be removed from the Temple Mount so that they don't find these important scrolls. The PA is serving as the Vatican's "building contractors" in this arrangement in the hope that the Vatican will side with the Palestinians in the conflict with Israel.

July 2002
Israeli, US and German delegations at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe in Berlin have to fight a surprise proposal to internationalize Jerusalem's Old City by the Italian delegation to the meeting. The head of the Italian delegation told Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the US-based Simon Weisenthal Center, that the main concern of the Italian government was that "in the future when there are peace discussions, the Palestinian entity will be given control of the Christian Holy sites."

Why the secular government of Italy should be worried about this was not explained in the new item. (The Jerusalem Post, July 8th, 2002)

So What Is The Vatican Planning And What Can Israeli Jews Do About It?

For centuries the Vatican has been pushing its "replacement" doctrine which states that the Catholic has replaced Israel as "the New Israel".

The Roman Catholic Church wants Israel to lose sovereign control over the Old City of Jerusalem so that "the promises to the literal descendents of Abraham will be applied to the 'New Jerusalem.'" If Israel controls Jerusalem it is evidence that Rome's claims are not legitimate and that the literal interpretation of Scriptures is correct. There is no place for the restoration of the nation of Israel in its theology. How can the Vatican claim to be "the New Jerusalem" and "rightful heir to the Kingdom of God" if the Jews control Jerusalem? How is the Catholic Church going to convince the world that their version of theology is correct?

The Vatican is going to have everyone believe this "mysterious individual who will "unite the faiths" and appear in Jerusalem which will be under the control of an authority headed by The Vatican. " That deal to have the Vatican come into Israel and take over these properties and to "control and dominate the Old City of Jerusalem" already exists and has been fully documented and reported in the world's media.

The end goal of The Vatican is to seize control of the Old City of Jerusalem out of the clutches of the state of Israel. To that end they have a secret agreement with Israel which obliges Israel to respect the "extraterritorial" claim to their physical presence in the city. In short, "we have accepted the Vatican's rights to have little Vatican sovereign embassies throughout our eternal capital of Jerusalem. That same Vatican has committed itself, in public and in a written agreement, to ensure that the Palestinians have sovereignty in the Old City of Jerusalem.

The public record shows a secret deal has already been conducted behind the backs of the Israeli public whereby the Vatican was promised to take over the Old City. There is ample proof in the public record to prove that a secret deal was done with the Vatican by two Israeli government representatives, Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres. As it was concocted covertly it can't serve the Israeli public- but someone else. Thus these agreements need to be made void and nullified.

It doesn't matter if religious Jews or Israelis think that "Catholic theology" is "strange looking" or extremely "ritualistic." What matters is that all Israelis understand that The Vatican has a secret agenda and it includes stealing the Old City of Jerusalem away from the Jews. That is what you need to know and understand. Unfortunately, this agenda is being carried out in secret and behind your back and that is why you are ignorant of its true aims. The purpose of this essay is to warn you of these exact intentions of The Vatican so that you will be an "informed consumer" when it comes to Israel's relations with the Roman Catholic Church. Even the overt clauses of the Vatican agreement, the exchange of ambassadors and the opening of the Vatican archives to Israeli researchers, have not been fulfilled by The Vatican. From an Israeli perspective, the "Fundamental Agreement Between The Holy See and The State of Israel" has been a complete failure and should be immediately rescinded.

runciter

14-02-2009, 08:19 AM

Alot this is of-topic

but it's a miracle, isn't it? :)

rivers of money naturally flowing into the hands of zionist psychopaths.

the whole system we live in is about this: money flowing into their hands.

14april2000

14-02-2009, 08:36 AM

but it's a miracle, isn't it? :)

rivers of money naturally flowing into the hands of zionist psychopaths.

the whole system we live in is about this: money flowing into their hands.

Rrunciter you are hopeless, i can see where come from you much of your Infomation from Henry Makow "HE GOES AFTER THE NECK NOT THE HEAD"

Sure they are Zionist psychopaths pupets and there pupet Zionist psychopaths general is Jacob Rothschild. But not the mastermind behind the nwo.

runciter

14-02-2009, 09:11 AM

the banking system is an illusion, jesu-it conspiracy is the only truth.

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:08 PM

The poll is a disgrace. See how they specficially targetted countries with history of jewish bigotry to make them look like victims and portray all Europeans of being 1/3 anti-semitic. Sleazy tactic IMHO. If they did this poll in the Scandinavian countries the ADL would not get the "shock, horror!" results they were fishing for.

What a way to live - looking for people who hate you rather than trying to win over people who might actually like you.

here it is

Survey: European anti-Semitism strong

By PAUL HAVEN – 3 days ago

MADRID (AP) — The Anti-Defamation League said Tuesday that a survey it commissioned found nearly a third of Europeans polled blame Jews for the global economic meltdown and that a greater number think Jews have too much power in the business world.

The organization, which says its aim is "to stop the defamation of Jewish people and secure justice and fair treatment to all," says the seven-nation survey confirms that anti-Semitism remains strong.

The poll included interviews with 3,500 people — 500 each in Austria, Britain, France, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Spain.

It says that in Spain, 74 percent of those asked say they feel it is "probably true" that Jews hold too much sway over the global financial markets. That is the highest percentage in the survey.

Nearly two-thirds of Spanish respondents said Jews were more loyal to Israel than they were to their home countries.

"This poll confirms that anti-Semitism remains alive and well in the minds of many Europeans," said Abraham H. Foxman, the ADL's national director in America. "Clearly, age old anti-Semitic stereotypes die hard."

Foxman said the study's findings were "particularly worrisome" in light of the anger spawned by the global economic meltdown, and following a number of violent acts against Jews or Jewish property after Israel's military action in the Gaza Strip.

Around Europe, several attacks have been reported against Jews and synagogues in France, Sweden and Britain since the Israeli offensive began in late December. Some Gaza protests in Europe have included the use of Nazi imagery, including signs and slogans comparing Israeli soldiers to German troops, the Gaza Strip to the Auschwitz death camp and the Jewish Star of David to the Nazi swastika.

Britain consistently registered the lowest levels of anti-Jewish sentiment, and numbers there have fallen from a similar survey conducted in 2007. Austria also registered a slight drop in the level of anti-Semitism, while in other countries anti-Semitic sentiment either remained the same or deepened, the survey indicated.

Poland's chief rabbi, Michael Schudrich, who saw the survey before it was published, said he has not seen any rise in anti-Semitism in Poland since the global financial crisis has unfolded. He said an unacceptable level of anti-Jewish sentiment still exists in Poland, but that it is no worse than in other European countries.

The survey showed Polish responses registered a slight rise in all but one area. On the question whether it was "probably true" Jews have too much power in international financial markets, the level was unchanged from 2007.

The survey, conducted by First International Resources Dec. 1, 2008 through Jan. 13, 2009, included interviews with 3,500 people — 500 each in Austria, France, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Spain. The margin of error for each country was plus or minus 4 percent.

In total, about 40 percent of those questioned said Jews have too much power in the business world, including more than half of Hungarian, Spanish and Polish respondents. And 44 percent said they believe it is "probably true" that Jews still talk too much about the Holocaust.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihR3pCS1eoqfa10COBWKj37kOn6wD968SE403

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 12:17 PM

basically as far as i can see, the Israelis are a law unto themselves
and think they can do whatever they want

well, they might just find they become a pariah state ala S. Africa and will be shunned internationally until they come to heel.

timezone

14-02-2009, 12:20 PM

"Economic crises have been produced by us for the goyim by no other means than the withdrawal of money from circulation." - Protocols of Zion - 20
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
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father ted

14-02-2009, 12:33 PM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihR3pCS1eoqfa10COBWKj37kOn6wD968SE403

I can tell you right now it would be a lot more than just a third of Europeans! More like 80- 90 %.

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 01:02 PM

I can tell you right now it would be a lot more than just a third of Europeans! More like 80- 90 %.

do u not realise this has probably been whipped-up by the Zionist ADL to create more anti-Jewish fury??

jesuitsdidit

14-02-2009, 11:42 PM

all i'm saying is if there r many factions, often opposing each other surely the term is meaningless?

so, the best that we can come to is its
"people who originate from, or who have been adopted by those who originate from, the area we now refer to as Israel/Palestine" ??

ayomide

15-02-2009, 12:10 AM

bowtiedaddy

15-02-2009, 03:23 AM

Doesn't the Rothchild family come from Germany? Same as the UK monarchy but they just changed thier surname or something - I read about that somewhere - have to find the source again and post it.

Another question why blame all Jews for what a few vile ones have commited or is it a common trait that EU and US Jews are inherently greedy and vile?

Yes, that is correct. The British Monarchy are all German, so are the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. There is no one ethnicity guilty of this.

They hate all Semitic people, Arabs and Jews (both Semitic). I think that it's a bit of a diversion to keep the heat off the Vatican and European Aristocracy. Blame it on the Jews is what they ALWAYS try to do once people figure out they're being fucked. People start to wake up, so they make sure to cover some of their tracks but let the Jews involved written about in the press, get people rabid, and say.... those are the perps. Go get them. They've been ALMOST exposed quite a few times, but once people start waking up, they blame it on the Jews, and step out of the way as the bloodletting starts, only to regroup and try for their "New World Order" again, after sufficient time has passed as to "erase the collective memory".

I think that the entire reason Israel did what it did was literally for the reaction of it. It was the Problem in the Problem Reaction Solution. These people cover up things like this, unless they WANT people to react. Why do you think all of the sudden all of the heartless NWO bastards are weeping for the people of Gaza, while they've been praising the same thing happening to millions in Africa and the Middle East for decades? Also, the protests... notice how the police are taking a passive role, even though people were literally rioting over it? What usually happens at, say, 9/11 truth demonstrations that don't even get violent? Absolute police brutality, mass detentions, cops knocking people unconscious, with tear gas and rubber bullets, etc..

secondsun

15-02-2009, 07:18 AM

...thought the Rothschilds/Bauer`s were Khazars!?... correct me if i am wrong please!

runciter

15-02-2009, 08:28 AM

...thought the Rothschilds/Bauer`s were Khazars!?... correct me if i am wrong please!

i think they are greek jews, romaniotes, and they consider the khazars expendable.

i'm convinced they are the descendants of sabbetai zevi, the 17th century messiah.

father ted

15-02-2009, 09:35 AM

...thought the Rothschilds/Bauer`s were Khazars!?... correct me if i am wrong please!

They were once the leaders of the Khazars, consequently leaders of later empires and subsequently leaders of earlier empires. They have permiated most if not all cultures through the ages, that's their thing.

runciter

15-02-2009, 09:42 AM

The Cult of the All-Seing Eye

2005 08 09
By Clifford Shack | geocities.com/cliff_shack

In 1666, Jewish Messianic contender, Shabbatai Tzvi, was imprisoned by the Turkish sultan and given a choice. Convert to Islam or die. After three days, Shabbetai Tzvi decided to convert to Islam. After his apostasy, most of his supporters labeled him an imposter and rejected him. His conversion, however, had a positive impact on many Jews around the world who went into hiding after the Spanish expulsion of 1492. Marranos, Conversos, Crypto-Jews, et. al., maintained their devotion to Shabbetai Tzvi. Tzvi's decision to convert actually strengthened their allegiance to him. Together with the remnant of Tzvi's Jewish adherents, these messianic followers would form an underground network and secretly continue to advance Shabbatai Tzvi’s mission. Through infiltration, stealth and cunning this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Tzvi's death, in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry. Based upon the Noachide laws of the Talmud, Freemasonry allowed the Sabbatean sympathizers to live an elite yet mystical and meaningful life working towards the establishment of a one-world government based upon the Universal Yahwehism preached by Shabbetai Tzvi and his followers particularly Jacob Frank. Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry formed in 1776, known as the Illuminati. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the French and American revolutions, the creations of the U.N. & Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father, tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.

Sabbatean/Frankists, also referred to as the Cult of the All-Seeing Eye (look on the back of your one dollar bill to begin to understand their influence in YOUR life), are political and religious chameleons. They are everywhere. Everywhere where there is power. They are the good guys AND the bad guys. (...)

"When war erupts in the world, you will know and understand why I came to this world."
--Saying from the Book of the Words of the Lord Jacob Frank, The Militant Messiah

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/shabbetai.html

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Was the 17th Century Jewish Messiah, Shabbetai Tzvi, really an impostor as history would have us believe? He was acknowledged and proclaimed to be the Messiah by Nathan of Gaza,the only authentic, recognized Jewish prophet in the past 2500 years. He was accepted as the Messiah by the vast majority of World Jewry, that is, until he consented to convert to Islam when threatened with death by the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Shabbatai Tzvi understood the conversion to be a sign from G-d that he needed to take his mission underground. In a letter to his brother he wrote, "G-d has made me a Turk."

Do people have the power to reject a messiah?

Did Shabtai Tzvi's "conversion" to Islam render him a messianic impostor or were those that rejected Shabbetai Tzvi rendered infidels with their rejection?

Did Shabbetai Tzvi have offspring? Yes. Where are they now? Where is this Messianic Dynasty? Have they vanished into obscurity? History leaves us no clues. Or does it? Perhaps Shabbatai did succeed in his messianic takeover of the planet. Perhaps his offspring did manage to fulfill the mission of their prophet-proclaimed Messiah father? I suggest that the family Rothschild are direct descendents of the messiah, Shabbatai Tzvi. Shabbatai Tzvi said that he would rebuild Israel. The Rothschilds did. He said that he would re-unite the lost tribes that had been spread out throughout the world. Has this been accomplished through the United Nations? Is the UN a project of hidden Rothschild influence designed to bring world peace? A Rothschild-Shabbatai Tzvi connection would also explain the Rothschilds' relationship to the mystical Jacob Frank, a co-creator of the Illuminati, who claimed to be the reincarnation of Shabbetai Tzvi. It would also explain the Rothschilds strange obsession with their bloodline and their custom of intermarrying amongst themselves. Was this practice determined to keep the royal messianic blood from assimilation? A Rothschildian/Messianic relationship would also explain their lavish and opulent lifestyle. Why shouldn't the direct descendants of the messiah live within the finest palaces on Earth?

It should therefore come as no surprise that there is a strong family resemblance between Shabbatai Tzvi and the Family Rothschild.

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runciter

15-02-2009, 09:48 AM

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jesuitsdidit

16-02-2009, 06:03 PM

so, the best that we can come to is its
"people who originate from, or who have been adopted by those who originate from, the area we now refer to as Israel/Palestine" ??

In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.

As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution...

The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic

jesuitsdidit

16-02-2009, 06:07 PM

semitic

Main Entry:
1Se·mit·ic Listen to the pronunciation of 1Semitic Listen to the pronunciation of 1Semitic
Pronunciation:
\sə-ˈmi-tik also -ˈme-\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
German semitisch, from Semit, Semite Semite, probably from New Latin Semita, from Late Latin Sem Shem
Date:
1813

1 : of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic
2 : of, relating to, or characteristic of the Semites
3 : jewish

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semitic

jesuitsdidit

16-02-2009, 06:48 PM

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The term Semites is applied to a group of peoples closely related in language, whose habitat is Asia and partly Africa. The expression is derived from the Biblical table of nations (Genesis 10), in which most of these peoples are recorded as descendants of Noah's son Sem.

The term Semite was proposed at first for the languages related to the Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his "Einleitung in das Alte Testament" (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45. In his "Gesch. der neuen Sprachenkunde", pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term. Since then the name has been generallyadopted, except that modern science uses it in a somewhat wider sense to include all those Peoples who are either demonstrably of Semitic origin, or who appear in history as completely Semitized.
Classification

In historic times all Western Asia (see below), with the exception of the peninsula of Asia Minor, was Semitic. From the philological point of view the Semitic peoples are divided into four chief Babylonian-Assyrian Semites (East Semites), Chanaanitic Semites, (West Semites), Aramaic Semites (North Semites), and Arabian Semites (South Semites). The last-named group is divided into North and South Arabians, of which last the Abyssinians are a branch. The first three groups are usually termed North Semites, in contrast to the Arabian group, or South Semites. But the classification of the Babylonian with the Aramaic and Chanaanitic Semites is not permissible from the philological point of view.
Territory

The great mountain-chains which begin at the Syro-Cilician boundary, and then curving towards the south-west extend to the Persian Gulf, separate on the north and east the territory of the Semites from that of the other peoples of Western Asia. It includes the Syro-Arabian plain with the civilized countries extending to the east and west and the Arabian Peninsula which joins it on the south. The lowlands to the east are formed by the Euphrates and the Tigris, and include the homes of two very ancient civilizations, in the north the rather undulatingMesopotamia, in the south the low Babylonian plain; the land extending to the west from the lower Euphrates is called Chaldea. These are the territories of the East Semitic tribes and states. On the west lies Northern Syria, then the Lebanon Mountains with the intervening Coelo-Syria, the oasis of Damascus, the seat of an ancient culture, the Hauran, and in the midst of the desert the oasis of Palmyra (Tadmor). These territories were at a later period occupied principally by Aramaic tribes. The territory on the coast extending westwards from Lebanon, and Palestine, which joins it on the south, are the principal seats of the Chanaanitic Semites. The mountainous country to the east of Arabia and the Sinaitic peninsula extending to the west of Arabia, belong to Arabia proper, the territory of the South Semites.
Original home

The tribes which inhabited these territories, and to some extent still inhabit them, show in language, traits, and character a sharply characterized individuality which separates them distinctly from other peoples. Their languages are closely related to one another, not being almost independent branches of language, like the great groups of Indo-Germanic languages, but rather dialects of a single linguistic group. Physically, also, theSemitic form it is found in Arabia. Here also the phonetics and partly also the grammatical structure of the Semitic language, are most purely, as the vocabulary is most completely, preserved. From these as well as from other circumstances the conclusion has been drawn thatArabia should be considered the original home of the Semitic peoples. All the racial peculiarities of the Semites are best explained from the character of a desert people. All Semites settled in civilized lands are, therefore, to be considered offshoots of the desert tribes, which were detached one after the other from the parent stem. This pressing forward towards civilized lands was a continuous movement, often in a slow development lasting through centuries but often also in mighty and sudden invasions, the last of which appears in that of the Arabs of Islam. The further question as to how the original ancestors of the Semites came to Arabia, is for the present beyond historical knowledge.
East Semites

The first emigrants from Arabia who succeeded in acquiring new landed possessions were the Semitic Babylonians. In Babylonia the invaders proceeded to adopt the highly-developed civilization of an ancient non-Semitic people, the Sumerians, and with it the cuneiform alphabets which the latter had invented. When this invasion occurred is not known; but that it was accomplished in several stages, and after temporary settlements on the borders, is unquestionable. By 3000 B.C. the dominion of theSemites in Babylonia was an accomplished fact.

Ethnologically considered, the Babylonians are a mixed people, composed partly of the Sumerian and the most ancient Semitic emigrants, partly also of the continuously invading West Semites, and further more of Kassites and other people, all of whom were amalgamated. The principal seat of the Semitic element was in the north, in the land of Accad, while in the south the Sumerians were most numerous. Under Sargon and Naram-Sin was completed the amalgamation of the Sumerian and the Accadian (Semitic) civilization, which in the age of Hammurabi appears as an accomplished fact. The mighty expansion of the kingdom to the Mediterranean naturally resulted in the wide extension of the Sumerian-Accadian civilization, and for a millennium and a half Babel was the intellectual centre of Western Asia. As is proved by the Tel-el-Amarna letters, the Babylonian language and script were known in Western Asia as well as in Egypt and Cyprus, at least at the courts of the rulers. At an early period the Semites must have invaded the mountainous territory to the east of Babylonia. Not until about 2300 B.C. do we find a foreign element in Elam. Before this time, according to inscriptions which have been found, Babylonian Semites lived there.

On the Accadian border dwelt the Semitic tribes of Mesopotamia, which are included under the general term Subari. The centre of this region is desert, but on the banks of the Euphrates, Chaboras, and Tigris are strips of land capable of cultivation, upon which at an early period Semitic settlements were established for the most part probably under local dynasties. The Subari include also the Assyrians, who founded on the right bank of the Tigris — between the mouths of the two Zab rivers a city which bore the same name as the race and its god. All these tribes and states were under the influence of Babylonia and its civilization, and Babylonian-Semitic was their official and literary language. But while in Babylonia the Semitic element was amalgamated with different strata of the original population, in Mesopotamia the Semitic type was more purely preserved.

Briefly recapitulating the political history of the Eastern Semites, we may distinguish four periods. The first includes essentially the fortunes of the ancient Babylonian realm; the second witnesses the predominance of Assur, involved in constant struggles with Babylonia, which still maintained its independence. During the third period Amur, after the overthrow of Babylonia, achievers the summit of its power; this is followed, after the destruction of Nineveh, by the short prosperity of the new Babylonian Kingdom under the rule of the Chaldeans. This power, and with it the entire dominion of the Semites in south-western Asia, was overthrown by the Persians.
Chanaanitic Semites

This designation was chosen because the races belonging to this group can best be studied in the land of Chanaan. They represent a second wave of emigration into civilized territory. About the middle of the third millennium before Christ they were a race of nomads in a state of transition to settled life, whose invasions were directed against the East as well as the West. About this time there constantly appear in Babylonia the names of gods, rulers, and other persons of a distinctly Chanaanitic character. To these belongs the so called first Babylonian dynasty, the most celebrated representative of which is Hammurabi. Its rule probably denotes the high tide of that new invasion of Babylonia, which also strongly influenced Assyria. In time the new stratum was absorbed by the existing population, and thereby became a part of Babylonian Semitism. Through the same invasion the civilized territory of the West received a new population, and even Egypt was affected. For the Hyksos (shepherd kings) are in the main only the last offshoot of that Chanaanitic invasion, and in their rulers we see a similar phenomenon as that of the Chanaanitic dynasty of Babylonia. As regards the Semites in Chanaan itself, the earliest wave of the invasion, which in consequence of subsequent pressure was ultimately pushed forward to the coast, is known to us under the name of the Phoenicians. A picture of the conditions of the races and principalities of Palestine in the fifteenth century B.C. is given in the Tel-el-Amarna letters. In them we find a series of Chanaanitic glosses, which show that even at that time the most important of those characteristic peculiarities had been developed, which gave their distinctivecharacter to the best known Chanaanitic dialects, the Phoenician and the Hebrew. Further examples of Chanaanitic language of the second millennium, especially as regards the vocabulary, are the Semitic glosses in the Egyptian.

To the Chanaanitic races settled in Palestine belong also the Hebrew immigrants under Abraham, from whom again the Moabites and Ammonites separated. A people closely related to the Hebrews were also the Edomites in the Seir mountains, who later appear under the name of Idumaeans in Southern Judea. These mountains had before them been settled by the Horities who were partly expelled, partly absorbed by the Edomites. A last wave of the immigration into Chanaan are the Israelites, descendants of the Hebrews, who after centuries of residence in Egypt, and after forty years of nomadic life in the desert, returned to the land of their fathers, of which they took possession after long and weary struggles. That the influence of Chanaanitic Semitism extended far into the North is proved by the two Zendsirli inscriptions: the so-called Hadad inscription of the ninth century, and the Panammu inscription of the eighth century, the language of which shows a Chanaanitic character with Aramaic intermixture. On the other hand, the so-called building inscription of Bir-Rokeb, dating from the last third of the eighth century, is purely Aramaic — a proof that the Aramaization of Northern Syria was in full progress.
Aramaic Semites

These represent a third wave of Semitic immigration. In cuneiform inscriptions dating from the beginning of the fourteenth century B.C. They are mentioned as Ahlami. Their expansion probably took place within the fifteenth and fourteenth centuries B.C. from the plain between the mouth of the Euphrates and the mountains of Edom. As early as the reign of Salmanasar I (1300) they had pressed far into Mesopotamia and become a public scourge, in consequence of which the stream of immigration could not longer be restrained. During the new expansion of Assyrian power under Tiglath-Pileser I (1118-1093 B.C.) his reports enumerate victories over the Aramaeans. Their further advance into the territory of the Euphrates and towards Syria took place about 1100-1000 B.C. By then ninth century all Syria was Aramiaicized; many small states were formed, principally successors of the Hittite Kingdom. The most important Arammaean principality was that of Damascus, which was destroyed by Tiglath-Pileser III in 732. In like manner the remaining Aramaic states succumbed. A new rebellion was suppressed by Sargon, and with this the rule of theAramaeans in Syria ended. In the meanwhile, the Aramaean element in Mesopotamia was constantly growing stronger. At the beginning of the ninth century we hear of a number of small Aramaic states or Bedouin territories there. They were subdued underAssurnasirpal (Asshur-nasir-pal) III (884-860), and the independence of their princes was destroyed by his successor Salmanasar (Shalmaneser) II. Nevertheless, the immigration continued. In the struggles of Assyria the Aramaeans of Mesopotamia always made common cause with its enemies and even under Assurbanipal they were allied with his opponents. From this time we hear nothing more of them. They were probably absorbed by the remaining population.

Their language alone, which the Arammans in consequence of their numerical superiority forced upon these countries, survived in the sphere of the North Semitic civilization, and was not obliterated until the Islam's conquest. The potent Arabic displaced the Aramaic dialects with the exception of a few remnants. Since the second half of the eighth century the use of Aramaic as a language of intercourse can be proved in Assyria, and about the same time it certainly prevailed in Babylonia among the commercial classes of the population. In the West also their language extended in a southerly direction as far as Northern Arabia. For Aramaic had become the general language of commerce, which the Semitic peoples of Western Asia found themselves compelled to adopt in their commercial, cultural, and political relations. The Aramaic elements of the population were absorbed by the other peoples of the existing civilized lands. They developed a distinct nationality in Damascus. In Mesopotamia itself, in the neighbourhood of Edessa, Mardin, and Nisibis, Aramaic individuality was long preserved. But the culture of this country was afterwards strongly permeated by Hellenism. One of the last political formations of theAramaeans is found in Palmyra, which in the first century B.C. became the centre of a flourishing state under Arabian princes. It flourished until the ambitious design of Odenathus and Zenobia to play the leading part in the East caused its destruction by the Romans. A small fragment of Aramaic-speaking population may be still found in Ma'lula and two other villages of the Anti-Lebanon. So-called New Syrian dialects, descendants of the East Aramaic, are spoken in Tur'Abdin in Mesopotamia, to the east and north of Mosul, and in the neighbouring mountains of Kurdistan, as well as on the west shore of Lake Urmia. Of theseAramaic-speaking Christians a part lives on what was clearly ancient Aramaic territory; but for those on Lake Urmia we must assume a later immigration. Nestorian bishops of Urmia are mentioned as early as A.D. 1111.
Arabic-Abyssinian Semites
Arabs

The most powerful branch of the Semitic group of peoples, are indigenous to Central and Northern Arabia, where even today the original character is most purely preserved. At an early period they pressed forward into the neighbouring territories, partly to the North and partly to the South. In accordance with linguistic differences they are divided into North and SouthArabians. Northern Arabia is composed partly of plains and deserts, and is, therefore, generally speaking, the home of wandering tribes of Bedouins. The South, on the other hand, is fertile and suitable for a settled population. For this reason we find here at an early date political organizations, and the sites of ruins and inscriptions bear witness to the high culture which once prevailed. The natural richness of the country and its favourable situation on the seacoast made the South Arabians at an early period an important commercial people. In the fertile lowlands of the South Arabian Djôf the Kingdom of Ma'in (Minaeans) flourished. It is generally dated as early as the middle of the second millennium before Christ, although for the present it is better to maintain a somewhat sceptical attitude as regards this hypothesis. At all events, the Minaeans, at an early period, probably avoiding the desert by a journey along the eastern coast, emigrated from North-eastern Arabia. To the south and south-east of the Minaeans were the Katabans and the Hadramotites, who were cognate in language and who stood in active commercial relations with Ma'in, under whose political protectorate they seem to have lived. The spirit of enterprise of this kingdom is shown by the foundation of a commercial colony in the north-western part of the peninsula in the neighbourhood of the Gulf of Akabah, viz., Ma'in-Mussran (Mizraimitic, Egypt Ma'in). The downfall of the Ma'in kingdom was, according to the usual assumption, connected with the rise of the Sabaean kingdom. The Sabaeans had likewise emigrated from the North, and in constant struggles had gradually spread their dominion over almost all Southern Arabia. Their capital was Ma'rib. Their numerous monuments and inscriptions extend from about 700 B.C. until almost the time of Mohammed. At the height of its power, Saba received a heavy blow by the loss of the monopoly of the carrying trade between India and the northern regions, when the Ptolemies entered into direct trade relations with India. Still the Sabaean Kingdom maintained itself, with varying fortune, until about A.D. 300. After its fall the once powerful Yeman was constantly under foreign domination, at last under Persian. Ultimately, Southern Arabia was drawn into the circle of Islam. Its characteristic language was replaced by the Northern Arabic, and in only a few localities of the southern coast are remnants of it to be found: the so-called Mahri in Mahraland and theSocotri on the Island of Socotra.

Northern Arabia had in the meanwhile followed its own path. To the east of Mussran to far into the Syrian desert we hear of the activity of the Aribi (at first in the ninth century B.C.), from whom the entire peninsula finally received its name. Assurbanibal, especially, boasts of important victories over them in his struggles with them for the mastery of Edom, Moab, and the Hauran (c. 650). Some of the tribes possessed the germs of political organization, as is shown in their government by kings and even queens. While these ancientAribi for the most part constituted nomadic tribes, certain of their descendants became settled and achieved a high culture. Thus, about B.C. 200 we hear of the realm of the Nabataeans in the former territory of the Edomites. From their cliff-town of Petra they gradually spread their dominion over North-western Arabia, Moab, the Hauran, and temporarily even over Damascus. Their prosperity was chiefly due to their carrying trade between Southern Arabia and Mediterranean lands. The language of their inscriptions and coins is Aramaic, but the names inscribed upon them are Arabic. In A.D. 106 the Nabataean Kingdom became a Roman province. Its annexation caused the prosperity of the above-mentioned Palmyra, whose aristocracy and dynasty were likewise descended from the Aribi. Subsequent to these many other small Arabian principalities developed on the boundary between civilized lands and the desert; but they were for the most part of short duration. Of greatest importance were two which stood respectively under the protection of the Byzantine Empire and the Persian Kingdom as buffer states of those great powers against the sons of the desert: the realm of the Ghassanites in the Hauran, and that of the Lahmites, the centre of which was Hira, to the south of Babylon.

In the second half of the sixth century A.D., when Southern Arabia had outlived its political existence, Northern Arabia had not yet found a way to political union, and the entire peninsula threatened to become a battle-ground of Persian and Byzantine interests. In one district alone, the centre of which was Mecca, did pure Arabism maintain an independent position. In this City, A.D. 570, Mohammed was born, the man who was destined to put into motion the last and most permanent of the movements which issued from Arabia. And so in the seventh century another evolution of Semitism took place, which in the victorious power of its attack and in its mighty expansion surpassed all that had gone before; the offshoots of which pressed forward to the Atlantic Ocean and into Europe itself.
Abyssinians

At an early epoch South Arabian tribes emigrated to the opposite African coast, where Sabaean trade colonies had probably existed for a long time. As early as the first century A.D. we find in the north of the Abyssinian mountain — lands the Semitic realm of Aksum. The conquerors brought with them South Arabian letters and language, which in their new home gradually attained an individual character. From this language, the Ge'ez, wrongly called Ethiopian, two daughter-languages are descended, Tigré and Tigriña. The confusion of this kingdom with Ethiopia probably owes its origin to the fact that the Semite emigrants adopted this name from the Graeco-Egyptian sailors, at a time when the Kingdom of Meroë was still in some repute. And so they called their kingdom Yteyopeya. From Aksum as a base they gradually extended their dominion over all Abyssinia, the northern population of which today shows a purer Semitic type, while the southern is strongly mixed with Hamitic elements. At an early date the south must have been settled by Semites, who spoke a language related to Ge'ez, which was afterwards to a great extent influenced by the languages of the native population, particularly by the Agau dialects. A descendant of this language is the Amharic, the present language of intercourse in Abyssinia itself and far beyond its boundaries.
Sources

See the articles on the separate titles treated above; also MASPERO, Histoire ancienne, des peuples de l'Orient classique (1895); MEYER, Gesch. des Altertums, I (1909), extending to the sixteenth century B.C.; BARTON, Sketch of Semitic Origins (New York, 1902).
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APA citation. Schühlein, F. (1912). Semites. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved February 16, 2009 from New Advent: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13706a.htm

MLA citation. Schühlein, Franz. "Semites." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 13. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1912. 16 Feb. 2009 <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13706a.htm>.

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eternal_spirit

16-02-2009, 07:18 PM

quote jesuitsdidit
Physically, also, theSemitic form it is found in Arabia. Here also the phonetics and partly also the grammatical structure of the Semitic language, are most purely, as the vocabulary is most completely, preserved. From these as well as from other circumstances the conclusion has been drawn thatArabia should be considered the original home of the Semitic peoples. All the racial peculiarities of the Semites are best explained from the character of a desert people. All Semites settled in civilized lands are, therefore, to be considered offshoots of the desert tribes, which were detached one after the other from the parent stem. This pressing forward towards civilized lands was a continuous movement, often in a slow development lasting through centuries but often also in mighty and sudden invasions, the last of which appears in that of the Arabs of Islam. The further question as to how the original ancestors of the Semites came to Arabia, is for the present beyond historical knowledge.
East Semites
Interesting

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53318

Arabs/Muslims Jews/Judaism the same race?

14april2000

17-02-2009, 02:00 PM

do u not realise this has probably been whipped-up by the Zionist ADL to create more anti-Jewish fury??

Quote:
Originally Posted by endlessvista View Post
The poll is a disgrace. See how they specficially targetted countries with history of jewish bigotry to make them look like victims and portray all Europeans of being 1/3 anti-semitic. Sleazy tactic IMHO. If they did this poll in the Scandinavian countries the ADL would not get the "shock, horror!" results they were fishing for.What a way to live - looking for people who hate you rather than trying to win over people who might actually like you.

You wish according information i have got over 2.5 year about 50-80% of danes don`t like Jews and most danes are anti Zionsts they just don`t talk about. I would not called the Danes anti-semitics or say that there are mush anti-semitism in Denmark, but they just dislike jews alot so the old story about how the danes help the jews to escape the Nazis 1943 is just history.Mainly because of the Danish goverments bad image we had being Germen ally since 1864 and even more from 1914 when the WWI broke out.

Living Next Door to Germany: Denmark and the German Problem
http://journals.cambridge.org/action...ine&aid=509140

You right about that, in my country it something like 50-80%

runciter

17-02-2009, 02:25 PM

if you care about the jews you should spread the word about the sabbatean frankist cabal.

they aren't jews, just like other illuminati psychos aren't christian or muslim or whatever else.

14april2000

17-02-2009, 02:28 PM

yep! That's what I always try to tell people who are delusional anti Jew zealots because of this. The Rothschilds are NOT Jews, neither are the Rockefellers (both are German, actually).

They scapegoat the Jews to draw attention away from themselves. A small handful of Jews are involved in the NWO, and aren't really any more present than any other group of people. Part of the NWO plan is to kill all of the Jews, blacks, Christians and Arabs. Isn't that obvious? That's the reason they created Israel. To piss off the Arabs at the Jews, and they're purposefully doing horrible things to the poor people in Gaza to make people hate Jews, since the average person can't tell the difference between a group of people who share a common ancestry and a country half way around the world. I can't remember exactly but a study was done that 3/4 of Jews don't even follow the religion beyond when they get their bar mitzvah.

Why do you think there is no attempt to cover up the atrocities in Gaza by mainstream media? It's sick that they're harming innocent people for the purpose of propaganda. These people are fucking mad.

Good post..

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runciter

17-02-2009, 02:36 PM

yes, the rothschilds in war with jews, and it's happening again.

wake up.

14april2000

17-02-2009, 03:07 PM

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The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military by Bryan Mark Rigg

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On the murderous road to "racial purity" Hitler encountered unexpected detours, largely due to his own crazed views and inconsistent policies regarding Jewish identity. After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, he discovered that eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he'd anticipated. As Bryan Mark Rigg shows in this provocative new study, nowhere was that heinous process more fraught with contradiction and confusion than in the German military.

Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought--perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.

As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the "race" of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers.

The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous "exemptions" were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier's parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler's own signature can be found on many of these "exemption" orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht's growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich.

Based on a deep and wide-ranging research in archival and secondary sources, as well as extensive interviews with more than four hundred Mischlinge and their relatives, Rigg's study breaks truly new ground in a crowded field and shows from yet another angle the extremely flawed, dishonest, demeaning, and tragic essence of Hitler's rule.

On the murderous road to "racial purity" Hitler encountered unexpected detours, largely due to his own crazed views and inconsistent policies regarding Jewish identity. After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, he discovered that eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he'd anticipated. As Bryan Mark Rigg shows in this provocative new study, nowhere was that heinous process more fraught with contradiction and confusion than in the German military.

Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought--perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.

As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the "race" of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers.

The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous "exemptions" were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier's parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler's own signature can be found on many of these "exemption" orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht's growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich.

Based on a deep and wide-ranging research in archival and secondary sources, as well as extensive interviews with more than four hundred Mischlinge and their relatives, Rigg's study breaks truly new ground in a crowded field and shows from yet another angle the extremely flawed, dishonest, demeaning, and tragic essence of Hitler's rule.
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"Rigg's extensive knowledge and the preliminary conclusions drawn from his research impressed me greatly. I firmly believe that his in-depth treatment of the subject of German soldiers of Jewish descent in the Wehrmacht will lead to new perspectives on this portion of 20th century German military history."--Helmut Schmidt, Former Chancellor of Germany

"An impressively researched work with important implications for hotly debated questions. Rigg tells some exquisitely poignant stories of individual human experiences that complicate our picture of state and society in the Third Reich."--Nathan A. Stoltzfus, Florida State University, author of Resistance of the Heart: Intermarriage and the Rosenstrasse Protest in Nazi Germany

"An impressive work filled with interesting stories. . . . By helping us better understand Nazi racial policy at the margins--i.e., its impact on certain members of the German military--Rigg's study clarifies the central problems of Nazi Jewish policies overall."--Norman Naimark, Stanford University, author of Fires of Hatred: Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe

"An illuminating and provocative study that merits a wide readership and is sure to be much discussed."--Dennis E. Showalter, Colorado College, author of Tannenberg: Clash of Empires

"An outstanding job of research and analysis. Rigg's book will add a great deal to our understanding of the German military, of the place of Jews and people of Jewish descent in the Nazi state, and of the Holocaust. It forces us to deal with the full, complex range of possible actions and reactions by individuals caught up in the Nazi system."--Geoffrey P. Megargee, author of Inside Hitler's High Command

"With the skill of a master detective, Bryan Rigg reveals the surprising and largely unknown story of Germans of Jewish origins in the Nazi military. His work contributes to our understanding of the complexity of faith and identity in the Third Reich."--Paula E. Hyman, Yale University, author of Gender and Assimilation in Modern Jewish History and The Jews of Modern France

"A major piece of scholarship which traces the peculiar twists and turns of Nazi racial policy toward men in the Wehrmacht, often in the highest ranks, who had partly Jewish backgrounds. Rigg has uncovered personal stories and private archives which literally nobody knew existed. His book will be an important contribution to German history."--Jonathan Steinberg, University of Pennsylvania, author of All or Nothing: The Axis and the Holocaust 1941-1943

"An original, groundbreaking, and significant contribution to the history of the Wehrmacht and Nazi Germany."--James S. Corum, School of Advanced Air Power Studies, author of The Roots of Blitzkrieg and The Luftwaffe

"Rigg's work has discovered new academic territory."--Manfred Messerschmidt, Freiburg University, author of Die Wehrmacht im NS-Staat (The Wehrmacht in the Nazi State)

"Rigg's bracing and unintimidated study lays bare the contradiction, confusion and expedience that governed Mischlinge policy and the maiming cost to those whose lives were burdened by anxiety, guilt and collusion. In the end we must be grateful for his book, a penetrating light cast on some of the murkier corners of the human psyche."--Michael Skakun, Aufbau

"Rigg has opened brand new territory for historians and students of war, offering new insight into the Nazi mentality on race."--World War II Magazine

"Rigg has done a very significant piece of historical research and writing."--Milt Rosenberg, WGN Radio, Chicago

"Rigg has written a truly important history. It is original, it has outstanding scholarship, and there is plenty of it!"--James F. Tent, author of In the Shadow of the Holocaust: Nazi Persecution of Jewish-Christian Germans

"A brilliant and extremely disturbing work of masterful historical research. A must read for everyone. It raises more moral dilemmas than one can answer."--Steve Pieczenik, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and co-creator of the best selling novels and TV series OP-Center and Net Force

BRYAN MARK RIGG received his B.A. with honors in history from Yale University in 1996. Yale awarded him the Henry Fellowship for graduate study at Cambridge University, where he received his M.A. in 1997 and Ph.D. in 2002. Currently Professor of History at American Military University, he has served as a volunteer in the Israeli Army and as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps. His research for this book has been featured in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and London Daily Telegraph. For more information on Bryan Rigg, view his web site at www.bryanrigg.com.

Click here to learn more about the author and his research experiences.

The thousands of pages of documents and oral testimonies (8mm and VHS video) the author collected for this study have been purchased by the National Military Archive of Germany. The Bryan Mark Rigg Collection is housed in the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv in Freiburg, Germany.

To view resource materials, including notes, bibliography, and index, click here. (http://kudiglib.ku.edu/projects/rigg_bm.pdf)
Also of interest by author Bryan Mark Rigg : Rescued from the Reich: How One of Hitler's Soldiers Saved the Lubavitcher Rebbe. (http://yalepress.yale.edu/YupBooks/viewbook.asp?isbn=0300104480#top)

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jesuitsdidit

17-02-2009, 04:05 PM

yes, the rothschilds in war with jews, and it's happening again.

wake up.

the day u tell me to wake up runshiter, will be the day i go to bed..

runciter

17-02-2009, 04:11 PM

the day u tell me to wake up runshiter, will be the day i go to bed..

for you i have a different ending line:

go to bed.

martin74

17-02-2009, 04:31 PM

Ever notice how the "thinning of the herd" rarely seems to happen to people of Germanic descent?

You mean apart from Germany suffering 7 million deaths in World War II, being split into two parts and a constant diet of self-hating propaganda leading to a below replacement level birth-rate?

They've suffered more than any other group. Also look at the campaign to oppress the English. We're having our culture and rights destroyed.

Saying the PTB care about white people, you are wide off the mark.

We can agree that there are other forces at play behind the scenes, but that doesn't make it okay for hateful Jews to just work into their plans. As a group they need to wake up and drop their hate.

jesuitsdidit

17-02-2009, 06:29 PM

i dont see ne1 blaming the jews 4 t cr cr
i see them blaming the NWO..

ayomide

17-02-2009, 08:32 PM

The NWO is just another Apartheid - bring down the population, slavery etc.

Face facts people the people behind this are of a Germanic bloodline .....

eternal_spirit

17-02-2009, 08:59 PM

The NWO is just another Apartheid - bring down the population, slavery etc.

Face facts people the people behind this are of a Germanic bloodline .....

Originally Posted by bowtiedaddy http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=803055#post803055)
yep! That's what I always try to tell people who are delusional anti Jew zealots because of this. The Rothschilds are NOT Jews, neither are the Rockefellers (both are German, actually).Some were from Germany but their blood lines can be traced back to other places, Rothschilds are Jews and the Rockefellers are Marrano Jews. The American Scottish Rite was set up by mostly Jews, some were Sephardic Jews, who are not white/Caucasian.
Openheimers de beers and those and other Jews own the blood diamond trade and gold mines in S Africa.

All easily verifiable in a search.:)

Rockefeller have also married into the Rothschild family.

ayomide

17-02-2009, 09:26 PM

Some were from Germany but their blood lines can be traced back to other places, Rothschilds are Jews and the Rockefellers are Marrano Jews. The American Scottish Rite was set up by mostly Jews, some were Sephardic Jews, who are not white/Caucasian.
Openheimers de beers and those and other Jews own the blood diamond trade and gold mines in S Africa.

All easily verifiable in a search.:)

First do not use Caucasian with the word white - 2 very different things - White is a group and Caucasian is a race.

The Rothchilds - may or may not be Jews - that is just a religion - the fact remains that they are of the Germanic bloodline.

I am not saying that the Germans are evil - because I sure as hell know there are some very good souls - but do some research on race - and a slight nudge - if you open-minded - read something from a person of colours perspective - not that of a white's :) And from there you start linking things together.

spectruma

17-02-2009, 09:55 PM

he poll is a disgrace. See how they specficially targetted countries with history of jewish bigotry to make them look like victims and portray all Europeans of being 1/3 anti-semitic. Sleazy tactic IMHO.

1. It's a Jew-Zionist conducted poll so I have little faith in its authenticity.

2. All European nations are well browbeaten for decades not to be openly critical of the Jews.

3. Even if they were 30% blaming the Jews, this is NOT a bad thing; it is a sign that people are awake and discovering the truth about the NWO. It should be more than that.

4. "Anti-Semitic" is a meaningless word and it is a sure sign of a sheep anyone using it. Ashkenazi Jews (the majority "Jew" world population) have no Semitic (Middle Eastern) genetic roots.

The Anti-Defamation League said (...)

the rothschilds are trying to scapegoat all jews, using them as a (red) shield.

The Rothchilds ARE Jews and they advancing Jewish/Talmudic interests. Never have the Rothchilds employed a strategy of "scapegoating all the Jews" throughout their long history of meddling; they are not employing it now either.

Saying the PTB care about white people, you are wide off the mark.

You are 100% right. I don't know how anyone could reach this conclusion if they are looking at things objectively.

Jews are favoured by the NWO and PTB, that's for sure. And if it suits Jews to support whites, or blacks, or whatever, then they will be preferred. But ultimately it's Jewish interests being protected.

Face facts people the people behind this are of a Germanic bloodline .....

Germanic? Alex Jones disinfo anyone?

I think you meant Jewish, with a white establishment support network (Freemasons).

The Rothchilds - may or may not be Jews - that is just a religion - the fact remains that they are of the Germanic bloodline.

"Jewishness" is not exclusively religious - this is a well propagated lie.

"Jewishness" is simulataneously racial, religious and cultural. Even if the facts are dubious on some of these points (e.g. if there are Jew-specific genes) - that is how Jews see their Jewishness and how they act.

Also the Rothchilds are Jews - that is a fact. Not a good sign that you are trying to deny this.

It's really well-established, easily-verifiable fact, and you know it. You are just throwing out the line "maybe they were not Jewish" to muddy the debate. Strawman technique.

Wikipedia/Rothchilds (********************/ybptnb):

The Rothschild family (often referred to simply as the Rothschilds), is an international banking and finance dynasty of German Jewish origin that established operations across Europe, and was ennobled by the Austrian and British governments.

The family's rise to international prominence began with Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812), the son of Amschel Moses Rothschild,[1] a moneychanger. Born in the ghetto (called "Judengasse" or Jew Alley) of Frankfurt am Main, he developed a finance house and spread his empire by installing each of his five sons in European cities to conduct business.

spectruma

17-02-2009, 10:06 PM

Adolf Hitler - Founder of Israel: Israel in War With Jews (Paperback)
by Hennecke Kardel

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515C7TX1W4L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

What a load of bull.

The Judaic British Empire and and Jew-Established United Nations were making huge strides towards the "Jewish homeland" long before Hitler came to power.

The Jews would have their State of Jewry in Palestine with or without Adolf Hitler. There was no serious opposition in any event. The UK and UN as I say were ready to hand it to them on a plate.

eternal_spirit

18-02-2009, 12:37 AM

Amsel Rothschild is reported to have said Give me control of the economics of a country and I care not who makes her laws.

Today his descendents meet twice daily in London to dictate to the world what the world price of gold will be. They also dictate what the Federal Reserve System will do with America's finances.

Rockefeller have married into the Rothschild family.

bowtiedaddy

18-02-2009, 01:35 AM

You mean apart from Germany suffering 7 million deaths in World War II, being split into two parts and a constant diet of self-hating propaganda leading to a below replacement level birth-rate?

They've suffered more than any other group. Also look at the campaign to oppress the English. We're having our culture and rights destroyed.

Saying the PTB care about white people, you are wide off the mark.

We can agree that there are other forces at play behind the scenes, but that doesn't make it okay for hateful Jews to just work into their plans. As a group they need to wake up and drop their hate.

What I'm saying is, they go after all of the Jews, Arabs, Blacks, Asians and Natives, first... then they go after the Europeans, once they've finished with the others. They hate all of humanity but seem to hate "whites" a lot less than others.

bowtiedaddy

18-02-2009, 01:37 AM

Some were from Germany but their blood lines can be traced back to other places, Rothschilds are Jews and the Rockefellers are Marrano Jews. The American Scottish Rite was set up by mostly Jews, some were Sephardic Jews, who are not white/Caucasian.
Openheimers de beers and those and other Jews own the blood diamond trade and gold mines in S Africa.

All easily verifiable in a search.:)

Rockefeller have also married into the Rothschild family.

The Rothschilds and Rockefellers aren't Jewish... there are some Jews involved, but plenty of non Jews as well. Freemasonry is owned by European Aristocracy and international bankers, many of which are the same guys who funded Hitler.

ayomide

18-02-2009, 01:43 AM

What I'm saying is, they go after all of the Jews, Arabs, Blacks, Asians and Natives, first... then they go after the Europeans, once they've finished with the others. They hate all of humanity but seem to hate "whites" a lot less than others.

The Rothschilds and Rockefellers aren't Jewish... there are some Jews involved, but plenty of non Jews as well. Freemasonry is owned by European Aristocracy and international bankers, many of which are the same guys who funded Hitler.

To the point - and true ;)

Trust me - many here won't agree with you and you will get a label ...

spectruma

18-02-2009, 03:50 AM

The Rothschilds [...] aren't Jewish.

Flat out lie.

The evidence is there all over the place that the Rothchilds are Jewish. Anyone who is denying what is plainly obvious and publically admitted has an agenda and they are giving themselves away.

What I'm saying is, they go after all of the Jews, Arabs, Blacks, Asians and Natives, first... then they go after the Europeans, once they've finished with the others. They hate all of humanity but seem to hate "whites" a lot less than others.

This is total BS. They go after whoever those at the top of the NWO/Communist Global Government structure (i.e. Jews and Freemason supports) tell them to go after (the Goyim, all non-Jews, all of humanity minus Jews).

White Europeans are no higher on the scale than any other Gentile non-Jew group.

Sure it might suit to persecute one group more than another at a particular time, but this is just to suit the particular circumstances, ultimately all non-Jews are in the crosshairs.

We've all seen how brutal the Jewish State in the Middle East is... But are they ever chastised by the instruments of the NWO (e.g. UN, Governments suhc as US and UK). Jews are never persecuted by the NWO System. Get real.

Trust me - many here won't agree with you and you will get a label ...

Label? Like "you are wrong and distorting facts"??

spectruma

18-02-2009, 03:56 AM

Freemasonry is owned by European Aristocracy and international bankers

Ah yes, the old Alex Jones "Germanic death cult" disinfo...

many of which are the same guys who funded Hitler

Hitler was pretty well self made. Any Jewish banking groups that supported Hitler promptly pulled out support after they realised he wasn't a pliant little puppet they could control. World Jewry declared war on Hitler and his regime in 1933.

ayomide

18-02-2009, 11:17 AM

Flat out lie.

The evidence is there all over the place that the Rothchilds are Jewish. Anyone who is denying what is plainly obvious and publically admitted has an agenda and they are giving themselves away.

Label? Like "you are wrong and distorting facts"??

Flat out lie you say?

Well the Rothchilds as I said may or may not be Jewish but what you need to realize is the birth place of these evil people. Why do you deny thier Germanic bloodline? Also did you know that the British Monarchy is infact German - they changed thier name after WW1. Also when you read up on most conspiracies or truths - it always points back to Germany.

Also tell me - why is race so important to them?

bendoon

18-02-2009, 12:04 PM

Third of Europeans blame Jews for Credit Crunch

Only a third ? does that mean the other two thirds are brainwashed drones ?

Ever wondered why they were expelled 47 times from European countries ? were they just innocent victims of Anti Semitism ? or is it possible that they actually did something to deserve it ?

If you got barred from every pub or club in your local town would it be your own fault or would you be an innocent victim of discrimination ? I suppose that would be possible but highly unlikely.

spectruma

18-02-2009, 08:43 PM

Flat out lie you say?

Well the Rothchilds as I said may or may not be Jewish but what you need to realize is the birth place of these evil people. Why do you deny thier Germanic bloodline?

Just because they lived in Germany does not mean they are not Jewish. Or, it does not mean they are "Germanic" in a proper sense.

Their Jewish ancestry as a Jewish family living in the geographic area that is Germany, is well documented.

There's no "may or may not be" about it - that's a strawman - it's plain-as-day fact.

Also tell me - why is race so important to them?

Because race is important to Jewish Talmudists. A Jew shall not testify against a Jew; the dividing lines between Jew and Non-Jew/Gentile.. And so on.

Also when you read up on most conspiracies or truths - it always points back to Germany.

No, only disinfo conspiracy theories; like yours.

diamondgeezer

20-02-2009, 01:41 AM

Just wondered, how come Ayomide, who last posted a day ago, has a forum status of 'inactive'?

eternal_spirit

20-02-2009, 01:44 AM

Just wondered, how come Ayomide, who last posted a day ago, has a forum status of 'inactive'?

Another one:eek:

Bit of a mystery, usually by self request I think?

jmmk

20-02-2009, 07:39 PM

Let's face it, the puppet masters of the NWO have agents in all countries,
(political and religious systems) like they always have. They just wear a
different mask and plan on the masses blaming problems on other groups.
The unknowing leaders who aren't illuminati are just low enough in the
pyramid to be unaware but be blamed. What a vicious cycle of stupidity.
The fear of death-pain drives us all into a corner of safety, but they build
a prison around us.