Albert Pike

[localidiot]

Because I miss a few days here and there, a recent thread I was involved in happened to descended into Childish bickering on both sides. I'm not exactly surprised.
To borrow a favored quote of a fellow I know:
"If you can’t answer a man’s arguments, all is not lost; you can still call
him vile names."
–Elbert Hubbard

As for the topic:
Albert Pike. A famous and infamous man.
Much is known of him, however, it is only his career in Masonry that seems to interest anyone.
He was elected to the office of Supreme Grand Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite in 1859. He never became Grand Commander of the United States Jurisdiction of Masonry or even held any offices in the Grand Lodge. There is no clear evidence for whether or not Pike was a member of the KKK, though evidence does show that he was not a founder of the KKK.
He did compile the oft quoted and far more seldom read book Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction. It was considered to be a very important book by the Scottish Rite in reference to the rite itself, though it was never regarded as the "Bible" of Freemasonry. It was given to Master Masons joining the Scottish Rite until 1974. Currently candidates are provided with A bridge to Light by Rex R. Hutchens.

About Pike himself. He was a racist, while he fought for the rights of Native Americans, he was thoroughly against slaves being freed for much of his life, it wasn't until later he changed his mind.

Despite some claims, he never attended Harvard. While he was accepted, he didn't have the funds to attend.

http://www.historycentral.com/Bio/CWcGENS/CSAPike.html
http://www.s9.com/Biography/Pike-Albert
http://srjarchives.tripod.com/1998-10/DEHOYOS.HTM
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/pike_a/albert_pike_bio.html

[thelonious]

He never became Grand Commander of the United States Jurisdiction of Masonry or even held any offices in the Grand Lodge.

There is not a Grand Commander of the United States. There are two Supreme Councils in the USA, Southern Jurisdiction and Northern Jurisdiction. Pike Was Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, S.J.

He did hold a Grand Lodge office, having served as Grand Orator of the Grand Lodge of Arkansas. He also served as Grand High Priest of the Grand Chapter of Royal Arch Masons of Arkansas.


About Pike himself. He was a racist, while he fought for the rights of Native Americans, he was thoroughly against slaves being freed for much of his life, it wasn't until later he changed his mind.

Pike introduced legislation into the Confederate Congress to free the slaves. While giving a speech on the subject, he was constantly booed and heckled by the representatives.

See Tresner's "Albert Pike: The Man Behind The Monument" and Brown's "The Life of Albert Pike".

[localidiot]

Ah, my bad. put this together late last night. The article I read of him in regards to Masonry stated he hadn't held any offices in the Blue Lodge, I took that to mean he had held no office inside of a Lodge, in other words as a steward, tyler, or Worshipful master.


I found many sources stating his racism, including him leaving the Whig because it's platform was not pro-slavery, becoming part of the Know Nothing Party.
I found other sources, one I listed that showed he did change his stance later in life, helping to set up and defend the Prince Hall Lodges. Even presented them with a copy of the Scottish Rite rituals themselves.

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=1737
http://arkansasroadstories.com/literary/pikerant.html

[thelonious]

Ah, my bad. put this together late last night. The article I read of him in regards to Masonry stated he hadn't held any offices in the Blue Lodge, I took that to mean he had held no office inside of a Lodge, in other words as a steward, tyler, or Worshipful master.

He held Blue Lodge offices too, having served two terms as Worshipful Master of Western Star Lodge in Little Rock. He eventually dedicated most of his time to the Scottish Rite, but also concurrently served as Provincial Grand Master of the Provincila Grand Lodge of the Royal Order of Scotland for the United States, and Supreme Magus of the Masonic Rosicrucian Society.


I found many sources stating his racism, including him leaving the Whig because it's platform was not pro-slavery, becoming part of the Know Nothing Party.

I will have to double-check the accuracy of that source. Pike was never fond of slavery, and addressed his concerns in his "Letters To The Northern States".

I found other sources, one I listed that showed he did change his stance later in life, helping to set up and defend the Prince Hall Lodges. Even presented them with a copy of the Scottish Rite rituals themselves.



He befriended Ill. Bro. Thornton Jackson, 33°, a black man who was Grand Commander of the Prince Hall Scottish Rite Supreme Council. Pike had presented Jackson with his revised ritual, portions of which the Prince Hall Council adopted.

This was tradition was continued a few years back, see http://scottishrite.org/council/journal/jun01/cijune.html#ph

[meksar]

[QUOTE=thelonious;He befriended Ill. Bro. Thornton Jackson, 33°, a black man who was Grand Commander of the Prince Hall Scottish Rite Supreme Council. Pike had presented Jackson with his revised ritual, portions of which the Prince Hall Council adopted.

This Thornton Jackson fellow is probably related to Jesse Jackson a 33rd degree Freemason and prominent Boule member.Albert Pike would have only befriended a house negro as he was leader of the KKK.

[thelonious]

This Thornton Jackson fellow is probably related to Jesse Jackson

Why would you say "probably"? That almost certainly is *not* the case, since Jesse Jackson was actually born Jesse Burns, only changing his name to "Jackson" in his teens when his stepfather adopted him.

Albert Pike would have only befriended a house negro as he was leader of the KKK.

1. Albert Pike was not a member of the Ku Klux Klan, much less a "leader".

2. Thornton Jackson was Sovereign Grand Commander 33° of the Prince Hall Supreme Council, hardly a "house negro".

[lightgiver]

Why would you say "probably"? That almost certainly is *not* the case, since Jesse Jackson was actually born Jesse Burns, only changing his name to "Jackson" in his teens when his stepfather adopted him.



1. Albert Pike was not a member of the Ku Klux Klan, much less a "leader".

2. Thornton Jackson was Sovereign Grand Commander 33° of the Prince Hall Supreme Council, hardly a "house negro".

Love your quote ,

and you call me :D:D,are you sure you are in the masons?or maybe you are in the klu klux clan,by the sounds of it.:p

this is disgusting how you people are being allowed to get away with this,i have contacted moderators - Lightgiver, our very own Bodhisattva, sticking up for freedom of speech,and not forgetting this one Fuck you, punk. I live in Charlotte, North Carolina. Bring your ass on. what a lovely person you are.

and every time you abuse me thats what i will do.Report you.

Just over 2,000 yrs ago people like you crucified other people.Maybe you should change your name to albert.

yeah there is freedom of speech and then there is abuse of speech,i look forward to your insults.

north Carolina eh Punk,no relation to monk. Thelonious Sphere Monk (October 10, 1917-February 17, 1982) was an American jazz pianist and composer. Thelonious Monk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia He was born October 10, 1917 in Rocky Mount, North Carolina,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mount,_North_Carolina

In 1954, Monk paid his first visit to Europe, performing and recording in Paris. It was here that he first met Baroness Pannonica "Nica" de Koenigswarter, a member of the Rothschild banking family of England and a patroness of several New York City jazz musicians. She would be a close friend for the rest of Monk's life. Rothschild banking family of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh Yeeeeeah. Now i get it.ha ha. Now i really look forward to the INSULTS.

I should have been a detective at least we would have found out the real perpetrators of 911.


Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild
(1777-1836) London financier, one of the founders of the international Rothschild banking dynasty

"I care not what puppet is placed on
the throne of England to rule the Empire, ...
The man that controls Britain's money
supply controls the British Empire.
And I control the money supply."

really, i bet the people of England would love to know,but i bet it wont be on the 6 o clock news.

Pals of yours.

The Rothschilds are now worth over 100 TRILLION dollars. But it is hard to say when someone actually OWNS nearly all the currency of every nation -- and holds their debt. The Rockefellers are worth about 10 trillion. These amounts are unfathomable by most. The object is control, and ever the noose grows tighter as they chip away at our republican foundations. Nothing short of revolution can free us from these thieves who lay claim to our land, property, labors, and our very lives. It starts with saying 'no' to funny money (credit, er, I mean, debt) and saying 'no' to every encroachment of our liberties. This is the war, and the battleground is you, me, and every person on the planet.

EVIL always gets found out in the end.

[lightgiver]

Thelonious are you related to the jazz man :confused:

Thelonious Monk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia from north carolina,who is also connected to the Rothschilds?

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Okay, enough of the personal insults- anymore, and warnings/points my be issued.
(I have had to remove several from this thread)

Thanks,

w1nstonsm1th84.

[localidiot]

Anyway...
Now that this has been suitably sidetracked...
How many people have actually read Morals and Dogma?

[eternal_spirit]

Albert Pike is yet another well-respected Mason avowing the central place of Cabala within the craft. He wrote: "Masonry is a search after Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to Kabbalah". He also confirmed for us that Kabbalah lies at the heart of Masonic cryptography, "All the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols".

[grandsecretary]

Albert Pike is yet another well-respected Mason avowing the central place of Cabala within the craft. He wrote: "Masonry is a search after Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to Kabbalah". He also confirmed for us that Kabbalah lies at the heart of Masonic cryptography, "All the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols".

So, freemasonry is "a search for light that leads us directly back to the Kabbalah?"

Hello Madonna - Goodbye Freemasonry!

[eternal_spirit]

So, freemasonry is "a search for light that leads us directly back to the Kabbalah?"

Hello Madonna - Goodbye Freemasonry!

:D Doesn't the Kabbalah lead us further back to India? If part of kabblah allegory is based on
kundalini/chakras (as some claim) just that they use a different language than Sanskrit/Indian.

[eternal_spirit]

:D Doesn't the Kabbalah lead us further back to India? If part of kabblah allegory is based on
kundalini/chakras (as some claim) just that they use a different language than Sanskrit/Indian.

The Indian version of the chakra system is logical and makes sense.

The Kabbalistic version does not as far as I can see, and any one who claims it's the same system as the Indians one has not offered a logical explanation that makes any sense. Therefore I smell a rat, could they be lying.

[thelonious]

:D Doesn't the Kabbalah lead us further back to India? If part of kabblah allegory is based on
kundalini/chakras (as some claim) just that they use a different language than Sanskrit/Indian.

Sort of.

The Kabalah as we know it today is a result of some Jewish scholars being exposed to Greek philosophy in Egypt. It was Pike's hypothesis that Pythagoras received the Secret Doctrine in Egypt, carrying it to Greece....and that the Hyksos originally brought the knowledge into Egypt from India.

There are hints of this in Freemasonry. In the 14° of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, part of the opening is as follows:

Worshipful Master: Brother Senior Warden, have you attained the degree of Perfection?

Senior Warden: I have been washed in Sacred Waters of the Ganges.

Worshipful Master: From whence comest thou?

Senior Warden: From India.

The degree has many other allusions in the actually Work to Indian mysticism which are esoteric. The ritual of the 32° gives even more explicit detail.

[eternal_spirit]

Okay interesting food for thought.

[thelonious]

The Indian version of the chakra system is logical and makes sense.

The Kabbalistic version does not as far as I can see, and any one who claims it's the same system as the Indians one has not offered a logical explanation that makes any sense. Therefore I smell a rat, could they be lying.

It was the hypothesis of Pike that the Kabalistic Jews invented the Sephiroth on the Tree of Life as an adaption of the Greater Tetractys of Pythagoras. This may be partially true, but Hermetic Qabalists equate some of the Sephiroth with the Chakras.

The Tree of Life exists within the Body of Light, or aura. The Middle Pillar exercise used by the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn activates the Chakras via the Qabalistic meditation.

[localidiot]

Well, glad to see the thread is going somewhere again. Hope it keeps course.
I am curios, though, Eternal Spirit. it seems you started off with one stance on the Kabbalah and then changed you mind, what prompted that?

[grandsecretary]

Well, glad to see the thread is going somewhere again. Hope it keeps course.


Except that Pike was talking nonsense. He admits himself that the rituals used by the Moderns form, including the A&A Rite were written by "... newcomers to Masonry". Ancient Free Masonry has absolutely no connection whatsoever with the Kabbalah. It is a modern phenomena.

[thelonious]

Except that Pike was talking nonsense.

Pike is not alone in his ideas. Mackey, Buck, Waite, Woodward, Mathers, heywood, etc., etc., all reached the same conclusion.

To not see the Qabalistic influence in Freemasonry is to be a blind man.

[grandsecretary]

Pike is not alone in his ideas. Mackey, Buck, Waite, Woodward, Mathers, heywood, etc., etc., all reached the same conclusion.

To not see the Qabalistic influence in Freemasonry is to be a blind man.

I see it quite clearly, and agree with you that Pike, and others draw this conclusion. But Pike, you, and me, we disagree even at the level of what Freemasonry is.

Whereas you are a disciple of Pike, and a follower of Anderson and Desaguliers, we reject their authority and ability to pontificate on the subject of Freemasonry per se. They can say what they like about their freemasonry, and your freemasonry which we say is innovation, but not our freemasonry which we regard as the original and pure form of the Royal Art.

[thelonious]

They can say what they like about their freemasonry, and your freemasonry which we say is innovation, but not our freemasonry which we regard as the original and pure form of the Royal Art.

You can regard whatever you like. But when people here talk about "Freemasonry", they're talking about our Freemasonry, not your modern innovation.

[grandsecretary]

You can regard whatever you like. But when people here talk about "Freemasonry", they're talking about our Freemasonry, not your modern innovation.

Yes, you are right, we can regard your freemasonry as whatever we like, and we do. Where you are wrong, is your suggestion that people here are talking about your freemasonry.

In fact, people here are expressing their disapproval at your freemasonry, which has demonstrably lost the respect and support of the general public. Your membership, which is now running at under 15% of its former size in 1960 proves this.

It has also lost the support and respect of the established churches, especially the Roman Catholic Church and the Islamic Faith, both of which are so opposed to it, that they ban their congregations from belonging to it. Catholics become ex-communicate immediately upon initiation in to the Moderns version of freemasonry, and Muslims regarded as being infidels, and yet you do not seem to care about this, claiming Kabbalistic philosophy, anathema to Islam, Catholicism, and many other faith based religions.

We revived The Grand Lodge of All England in December 2005 in order to revert to the original principles of Freemasonry per The Constitutions of Masonrie, which pre-date the era and philosophies of Anderson, Desaguliers, Pike and Mackey.

Innovation: bring in new methods and ideas (SOURCE: Oxford English Dictionary)

This word cannot possibly be applied to The Grand Lodge at York which was revived in December 2005 in order to return to the OLD and original methods and ideas.

No new methods, no new ideas. Old methods, and old ideas. That was the entire point of the exercise, a rejection of the new methods and ideas epitomized by Anderson, Desaguliers, Pike et al.

"It is not known that the original 'Ancient Craft Masonry' used any symbols at all. If it used any, they we only the ancient working-tools, and the has only the most trite and common explanations, if any. They had 'the Mason-Word' given to Apprentices, and a simple obligation taken by them. Hiram Abiff was probably never heard of in a Lodge until after 1717, and the substitute for the Master's Word certainly was not until several years later. The legend of the Third Degree was introduced by the newcomers into Masonry, who brought into it all that is really symbolic and philosophical in the three degrees; and it is to the same men that the origination of some of the degrees of the Rite of Perfection is to be referred. Some of the symbols now in use were introduced even after their time." (SOURCE - Albert Pike 1886)

You can't have it both ways. Your mentor, Albert Pike agrees with me.

[eternal_spirit]

Why would you say "probably"? That almost certainly is *not* the case, since Jesse Jackson was actually born Jesse Burns, only changing his name to "Jackson" in his teens when his stepfather adopted him.



2. Thornton Jackson was Sovereign Grand Commander 33° of the Prince Hall Supreme Council, hardly a "house negro".
Seems like both black and white Masons have been following the same teachings for along time.
Black and white Masonic groups officially recognize each other




Milton ‘Toby’ Fitch, left, and David Cash sign the resolution officially recognizing each other’s Masonic organizations, putting an end to 138 years of disregard. Members of the black lodge had voted for recognition four years ago. Members of the white lodge agreed in September. Photo by Jason Arthurs
News Observer | Nov 22, 2008 (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1305094.html)
State’s two Masonic groups join
By Richard Stradling
RALEIGH - Members of the state’s two Masonic organizations — one black, one white — ended 138 years of mutual disregard Friday by signing a resolution recognizing each other as brother Masons.
The resolution, signed near the end of a nearly two-hour ceremony full of formality and speeches, ended a vestige of the segregation era, during which the two groups — one white, the other black — spent decades following the ancient tenets and teachings of freemasonry while each pretended the other didn’t exist.
“Today’s a historic day, because we’re here to say we’re brothers again,” said David Cash, a Methodist minister from Kannapolis and grand master of the white group, the Ancient, Free and Accepted Masons of North Carolina.
Cash and his counterpart, Milton “Toby” Fitch Jr. of the Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of North Carolina and Its Jurisdictions, signed the document in the old House chambers of the State Capitol. They sat at a table where North Carolina’s resolution to secede from the Union was signed 148 years ago.
Both Prince Hall and AF&AM Masonic groups carry on the traditions of a fraternity founded by building craftsmen in medieval Europe. The state’s AF&AM organization was founded in 1787, though some of the individual lodges date back earlier. The state’s Prince Hall group was founded in 1870.
Pomp and pride
Despite shared roots and goals, their members did not officially recognize each other as Masons until Friday.
“We are of the same family,” said Dan Blue Jr., a Prince Hall Mason and state legislator from Raleigh. “This is an opportunity to complete a circle.”
The ceremony, which had the feel of a peace treaty signing, was years in the making.
Members of the Prince Hall Masons unanimously passed a resolution recognizing their white counterparts as true Masons at their annual meeting in 2004. But a similar resolution failed several years in a row at AF&AM meetings, despite impassioned pleas from the group’s leaders.
This year, in September, it passed 642-328, leading to Friday’s gathering, which filled not only the old House chamber but also the old Senate, where the overflow watched on a big-screen TV.
Membership in the larger, white lodge has fallen from 73,000 at its peak in 1981 to less than 50,000, even as the state’s population has soared. But Friday’s ceremony was a reminder of the devotion of many Masons to the organization and the influential people it attracts. U.S. Rep. Bob Etheridge led the pledge of allegiance, and former state Supreme Court justices Henry Frye and James Exum Jr. also spoke.
The resolution signed Friday does not merge the groups in any way, but it should lead to cooperation between them.
Cash, the AF&AM grand master, said representatives of the two groups are meeting to work out visitation issues and protocol. For example, he noted, Prince Hall Masons have a dress code, while the AF&AM does not.
“They are a little bit more formal,” he said.
That formality was on display Friday, as Prince Hall members in particular wore colorful aprons around their waists and medallions around their necks. A color guard of Prince Hall Masons with epaulets on their shoulders, two rows of buttons down their chests and hats covered with white feathers lined the aisle of the old House chamber with raised swords as officers from the two organizations filed in.
Earlier this fall, Fitch and the Prince Hall Masons made Cash an honorary member. Friday, Cash returned the gesture, reading a framed resolution with a preacher’s shout in his voice before the two men embraced before a shower of flashbulbs and a standing ovation.

(http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/black-and-white-masonic-groups-recognize-each-other/)

[thelonious]

Seems like both black and white Masons have been following the same teachings for along time.
Black and white Masonic groups officially recognize each other

This is the main reason I decided to stay in the fraternity (I'm a North Carolina Mason). Many will remember my thread last year "I'm Considering Leaving Freemasonry", which was due to racist attitudes among some Masons in this state.

Thankfully, the fraternity rose against such bigotry, voted to grant full recognition to our African-American brothers, and sent the racists home.

[grandsecretary]

Sort of.

The Kabalah as we know it today is a result of some Jewish scholars being exposed to Greek philosophy in Egypt. It was Pike's hypothesis that Pythagoras received the Secret Doctrine in Egypt, carrying it to Greece....and that the Hyksos originally brought the knowledge into Egypt from India.

There are hints of this in Freemasonry. In the 14° of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, part of the opening is as follows:

Worshipful Master: Brother Senior Warden, have you attained the degree of Perfection?

Senior Warden: I have been washed in Sacred Waters of the Ganges.

Worshipful Master: From whence comest thou?

Senior Warden: From India.

The degree has many other allusions in the actually Work to Indian mysticism which are esoteric. The ritual of the 32° gives even more explicit detail.


What do you expect? He wrote the rituals to suit his fanciful theories not the other way round.

[thelonious]

What do you expect? He wrote the rituals to suit his fanciful theories not the other way round.

This is not the case. While he revised the ritual, he did not write it, and similar teachings are found in the Rectified Rite, Martinist Rite, and Rites of Memphis and Mitzraim, none of which had anything to do with Pike.

[grandsecretary]

This is not the case. While he revised the ritual, he did not write it, and similar teachings are found in the Rectified Rite, Martinist Rite, and Rites of Memphis and Mitzraim, none of which had anything to do with Pike.

Well let's say that he chose the ritual and then revised it in accordance with his own ideas. I forgot that he was a serial plagiarist.

[lightgiver]

Well after all my interactions with masons on here,i prefer GSs brand,because he appears to be the most descent, trustworthy and honest of them all,and has never typed any kind of abuse or threats like i have received off other so called masons on here,

so GS as my vote.:)and Mike comes in 2nd.;)

[thelonious]

Well let's say that he chose the ritual and then revised it in accordance with his own ideas. I forgot that he was a serial plagiarist.

Then perhaps you can give us one example of where Pike plagiarized?

Didn't think so. More propaganda from the modern innovation "Grand Lodge of All England".

[lightgiver]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2134/libraryt.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=libraryt.jpg)

and Pike comes last of the last .

Beam me up Hiram...


The office of grand secretary, is one of the most important in the masonic society.;)

[grandsecretary]

Then perhaps you can give us one example of where Pike plagiarized?

Didn't think so. More propaganda from the modern innovation "Grand Lodge of All England".

You gave an example yourself, where he "borrowed" ritual from other Masonic organisations, and "tweaked" them in order to bolster his own fanciful theories, and it is widely accepted that he "borrowed" the work of others for his book "Morals and Dogma", passing it off as his own work.

[svadil]

Is this the same Pike that Icke and few others say, having had said:
The New World Order will come to life after 3 Revolutions and 3 Great / World Wars ?

If this is true, would that mean the War on Terror is WW III?

[kingmonkey]

Is this the same Pike that Icke and few others say, having had said:
The New World Order will come to life after 3 Revolutions and 3 Great / World Wars ?

If this is true, would that mean the War on Terror is WW III?

I've got a feeling the war on terror is a splash in the ocean.

[thelonious]

You gave an example yourself, where he "borrowed" ritual from other Masonic organisations, and "tweaked" them in order to bolster his own fanciful theories,

Pike was chairman of the committee that was appointed by the Supreme Council to revise the ritual. They did their job, and did it well.

and it is widely accepted that he "borrowed" the work of others for his book "Morals and Dogma", passing it off as his own work.

Wrong. "Morals and Dogma" contains the lectures for the degrees. While Pike borrowed heavily from other writers, he certainly never tried to "pass it off as his own". In the preface of Morals and Dogma, Pike writes, speaking of himself:

In preparing this work, the Grand Commander has been about equally Author and Compiler; since he has extracted quite half its contents from the works of the best writers and most philosophic or eloquent thinkers. Perhaps it would have been better and more acceptable if he had extracted more and written less.

Still, perhaps half of it is his own; and, in incorporating here the thoughts and words of others, he has continually changed and added to the language, often intermingling, in the same sentences, his own words with theirs. It not being intended for the world at large, he has felt at liberty to make, from all accessible sources, a Compendium of the Morals and Dogma of the Rite, to re-mould sentences, change and add to words and phrases, combine them with his own, and use them as if they were his own, to be dealt with at his pleasure and so availed of as to make the whole most valuable for the purposes intended. He claims, therefore, little of the merit of authorship, and has not cared to distinguish his own from that which he has taken from other sources, being quite willing that every portion of the book, in turn, may be regarded as borrowed from some old and better writer. (emphasis mine)

Your false accusation that Pike was a plagiarist is therefore refuted.

[grandsecretary]

Pike was chairman of the committee that was appointed by the Supreme Council to revise the ritual. They did their job, and did it well.



Wrong. "Morals and Dogma" contains the lectures for the degrees. While Pike borrowed heavily from other writers, he certainly never tried to "pass it off as his own". In the preface of Morals and Dogma, Pike writes, speaking of himself:

In preparing this work, the Grand Commander has been about equally Author and Compiler; since he has extracted quite half its contents from the works of the best writers and most philosophic or eloquent thinkers. Perhaps it would have been better and more acceptable if he had extracted more and written less.

Still, perhaps half of it is his own; and, in incorporating here the thoughts and words of others, he has continually changed and added to the language, often intermingling, in the same sentences, his own words with theirs. It not being intended for the world at large, he has felt at liberty to make, from all accessible sources, a Compendium of the Morals and Dogma of the Rite, to re-mould sentences, change and add to words and phrases, combine them with his own, and use them as if they were his own, to be dealt with at his pleasure and so availed of as to make the whole most valuable for the purposes intended. He claims, therefore, little of the merit of authorship, and has not cared to distinguish his own from that which he has taken from other sources, being quite willing that every portion of the book, in turn, may be regarded as borrowed from some old and better writer. (emphasis mine)

Your false accusation that Pike was a plagiarist is therefore refuted.

" ... re-mould sentences, change and add to words and phrases, combine them with his own, and use them as if they were his own ..."

"... and has not cared to distinguish his own from that which he has taken from other sources".

in other words:

We are spinning on his behalf after the event because he was caught with his hands in the till.

You are so naive.

[thelonious]

in other words:


You are so naive.

No, you are a liar. You claimed that Pike tried to pass off other's works as his own. This was successfully refuted. You aren't a big enough man to admit it when you've been caught.

Of course, I expect as much from a cowan.

[grandsecretary]

No, you are a liar. You claimed that Pike tried to pass off other's works as his own. This was successfully refuted. You aren't a big enough man to admit it when you've been caught.

Of course, I expect as much from a cowan.

I can still hear the squealing. The remedy is to take your hands out of the till, not to swear at the owner of the store.

[thelonious]

I can still hear the squealing. The remedy is to take your hands out of the till, not to swear at the owner of the store.

While we thank you for posting a couple of lines of irrelevant gobble-de-gook, and have all certainly been enlightened by it, please stick to the point, which is:

1. You claimed that Pike tried to pass off other's work as his own.

2. You were shown to be either intentionally lying or completely unaware of the actual facts.

Either way, it means your research abilities are highly questionable.

[rixxmixxhell]

I can still hear the squealing. The remedy is to take your hands out of the till, not to swear at the owner of the store.

But...some times the till is too full. Just needs emptying a bit ;) and especially when the owner is....well....that's for another time.

[rixxmixxhell]

While we thank you for posting a couple of lines of irrelevant gobble-de-gook, and have all certainly been enlightened by it, please stick to the point, which is:

1. You claimed that Pike tried to pass off other's work as his own.

2. You were shown to be either intentionally lying or completely unaware of the actual facts.

Either way, it means your research abilities are highly questionable.

Good points. Stay on topic. And yes i know what they both are.

[lightgiver]

In retaliation Albert Pike and Judah Benjamin assassinated Abraham Lincoln...

Judah P. Benjamin as an agent of the House of Rothschild and Albert Pike and John Slidell as Illuminati 33rd degree and Chapter 322 members of the Brotherhood of Death obviously understood. They realized that a threat to their plans to establish a new world order solidified by the international banking cartel was the power of sovereign governments printing interest-free and debt-free paper money. They knew it would break the power of the international bankers. Therefore Judah Benjamin, Albert Pike and John Slidell created the secret Mardi Gras society the Mystick Krewe of Comus and the Pickwick Club in order to open up a secret place and mode to communicate and operate their 322 Chapter of Skull and Bones to assassinate United States President Abraham Lincoln.

John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Knights of the Golden Circle founded by Albert Pike. John Wilkes Booth was In New Orleans during the winter of 1863-64. John Wilkes Booth was an actor in the play “Marble Hearts.” John Wilkes Booth also opened on March 14, 1864 at the Saint Charles Theater and acted in the plays Richard III and Merchant of Venice. It is during this time in New Orleans John Wilkes Booth met with Albert Pike, Judah Benjamin and John Slidell, utilizing the secrecy of the Krewe of Comus and the Pickwick Club to formulate plans to assassinate Abraham Lincoln. Since John Wilkes Booth was to participate in the secret rite “Killing of the King”. John Wilkes Booth would be elevated to Code Level 33. Therefore, John Wilkes Booth became the secret King of the Mystic Krewe of Comus.

It was also during this time in New Orleans that John Wilkes Booth met with Admiral G.W. Baird (a Freemason), who later identifies the body of Captain James William Boyd as the body of John Wilkes Booth, taken onboard the ship Montauk. This was not the real body of John Wilkes Booth. The man killed in Garrett’s barn after the Lincoln assassination was a Confederate secret service agent and not John Wilkes Booth. The man killed in Garrett’s barn was Captain James William Boyd, a former Confederate agent working originally under Judah P. Benjamin. At the time that Captain James William Boyd was killed in Garrett’s barn he- Captain James William Boyd- was employed by the War Department. Captain James William Boyd bore a striking resemblance to John Wilkes Booth.

Judah Benjamin, Albert Pike, and Admiral G.W. Baird made these secret plans in New Orleans during the winter of 1863-64. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865. For his participation in the secret rite “Killing of the King”, Admiral G.W. Baird was promoted to Code Level 33 and made the secret King of the Mystick Krewe of Comus. It was also during this time that the motto of the Mystick Krewe of Comus was established sic volvo, sic iubeo- “as I wish, thus I command”.

Therefore, Judah Benjamin, Albert Pike, John Wilkes Booth and Admiral G.W. Baird hatched and conspired to perform of the “Killing of the King” ritual on Abraham Lincoln. Admiral G.W. Baird was set-up to identify the body of Captain James William Boyd as the body of John Wilkes Booth. After Captain James William Boyd was killed in Garrett’s barn his-Captain James William Boyd’s body was taken aboard the Montauk at the naval yard in Washington next to the Saugus. Lieut. W. Crowinshield called Admiral G. W. Baird on board the Montauk to falsify the identity of the body of Capt. James William Boyd as the body of John Wilkes Booth.

After a farcical-fictitious inquest aboard the Montauk to falsify identification of Captain James William Boyd’s body as that of John Wilkes Booth, Colonel Lafayette Baker and paid off deputies, dumped Captain James William Boyd’s body into an Arsenal Prison sinkhole used to dump dead horses.

[rixxmixxhell]

Thanks for posting.

[lightgiver]

Thanks for posting.

No problem rixxy mixx hell ;)Illumined ye shall be :D

"And the Lord said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers." Jeremiah 11:9-10 (c.570 BC)

"Deluded people; You must understand that there exists a Conspiracy in favour of despotism and against liberty, incapacity against talent, of vice against virtue, of ignorance against light! It is formed in the depths of the most impenetrable darkness, a society is to rule the world, to appropriate the authority of sovereigns, to usurp their place . . . Every species of error which afflicts the earth, every half-baked idea, every invention serves to fit the doctrines of the Illuminati . . . I see that all great fundamentals which society has made good use of to retain the allegiance of man - such as religion and law - will be without power to destroy an organization which has made itself a cult, and put itself above all human legislation. Finally, I see the release of calamities who end will be lost in the night of ages, activities devours the entrails of the globe and escapes into the air with a violent and devastating explosion."

Marquis de Luchet (1739-1792) a fellow Frenchman and Freemason confirmed de Virieu's warning of the diabolic merger between Illuminism and Freemasonry and the terrors planned for first for France, then Europe and then the entire world by the Illuminati. That is, the New Age One World Conspiracy, of which Freemasonry is a major part, but in truth orchestrated by the Secret Masters of the dark Empire of Secret Societies, which seeks to establish conditions on Earth that will be propitious for the incarnation of the Dark Gods, Ahriman and Lucifer in human form. Why? So that they, the Occult Hierarchy, can come forward and become the de facto leaders the future World Empire … the Last Secular Global Kingdom on Earth, which is the Kingdom of Antichrist on Earth (1782)

[rixxmixxhell]

[QUOTE=lightgiver;826105]No problem rixxy mixx hell ;)Illumined ye shall be
:D

:D

I Illumed and blind myself already..now you want to set me on fire lol!!!?

[lightgiver]

[QUOTE=lightgiver;826105]No problem rixxy mixx hell ;)Illumined ye shall be
:D

:D

I Illumed and blind myself already..now you want to set me on fire lol!!!?

Yes,Tummo fire ;):D

[grandsecretary]

Albert Pike was a thoroughly untrustworthy, racist, bigoted, plagiarist, and no amount of denial or political spin will change these historical facts.

"After the Klan had spread outward from Tennessee, there wasn't the slightest chance of central control over it - a problem that would characterize the Klan throughout its long career. Prominent Southern gentlemen were later cited as state leaders of the Invisible Empire. Alabama claimed General John T. Morgan as Grand Dragon. Arkansas was headed by General Albert Pike, explorer and poet. North Carolina was led by former governor Zebulon Vance, and Georgia by General John B. Gordon, later a U. S. Senator." (SOURCE: The Fiery Cross - History of The Ku Klux Klan by Wyn Craig Wade)

These facts were confirmed by Stanley Horn, in his book "The Invisible Empire" and in Susan Davis's book, "Authentic History: Ku Klux Klan, 1865-1877".

The Washington Post listed Pike as Chief Judicial Officer in 1905, as well (Washington Post, August 13, 1905, p.E4. ProQuest Historical Newspapers, The Washington Post 1877-1990). Further, the Ku Klux Klan itself listed Albert Pike as Chief Judicial Officer in its own promotional literature.

The document "Knights and Women of the Ku Klux Klan - Klorero, Elmira, New York, July, 1-2-3-4-5, 1925" has Pike pictured with Nathan Bedford Forrest, the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and commander of the Grand Dragons of the Realms. This document is available in special collections libraries at the University of Michigan, University of Texas and University of California.

"Negro Masonry Being a Critical Examination of Objections to the Legitimacy of the Masonry Existing Among the Negroes of America (SOURCE: "Morals & Dogma," Albert Pike, p. 829)

Here is some more classic Pike:

"If everything is to be cramped and contorted to correspond with, or be made to yield to the absurd idea of the unity of the human race, i. e., the descent of all mankind from one man and one woman, by means of incestuous intercourse, inquiry as to pre-historic facts is utterly useless."

"Why should we suppose that [the creative power of Nature or the Deity] has not, in the same manner, created at different periods the different varieties of the human race, each race, created after another, excelling it?"

"Neither history nor tradition informs us of the changes of any white race into negroes, and it is impossible. And for my own part, I am glad to believe that there is no tie of blood-relationship between myself and the wooly and olio negro. I prefer to believe that I am of a higher and nobler strain and race"

"We find, also, here, full proof that the pure were the Aryans, all of them. It is not to be supposed that they were all pure, in our sense of that word, but they were all of the pure blood, and of the pure faith."

Nice man.

Examples of thelonious's "orthodox" freemasonry? - no thanks.

[sean]

Just a reminder to stay on topic, and not to resort to personal insults/abuse.

Any more posts which are abusive will be outright deleted.

[grandsecretary]

What about this one then:

I took my obligation to White men, not to Negroes. When I have to accept Negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it. (SOURCE: Illustrious Albert Pike 33° - History and Evolution of Freemasonry, page 329)

or this one:

"With negroes for witnesses and jurors, the administration of justice becomes a blasphemous mockery. A Loyal League of negroes can cause any white man to be arrested, and can prove any charges it chooses to have made against him.

The disenfranchised people of the South ... can find no protection for property, liberty or life, except in secret association.... We would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed to negro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members." (SOURCE: Editorial, Memphis Tennessee Daily Appeal, dated April 16, 1868: Albert Pike, Owner, Publisher and Editor). NOTE: A copy of this newspaper may be found in the Library of Congress.

thelonious's best friend and "orthodox" freemason, Albert Pike - no thanks.

[lightgiver]

Where are the personnel insults??:confused:

BTW GS i agree with what you say.;):)

It is tainting True Freemasonry.


The office of grand secretary, is one of the most important in the masonic society.;)

[grandsecretary]

No, you are a liar. You claimed that Pike tried to pass off other's works as his own. This was successfully refuted. You aren't a big enough man to admit it when you've been caught.

Of course, I expect as much from a cowan.

lightgiver, the above posting was the crass insult which accompanied a rather pathetic lightweight attempt at a defence of the indefensible racist bigot, the abominable cross-burner, the Confederate General, and Moderns (orthodox?) freemason, Albert Pike.

No thanks.

[lightgiver]

lightgiver, the above posting was the crass insult which accompanied a rather pathetic lightweight attempt at a defence of the indefensible racist bigot, the abominable cross-burner, the Confederate General, and Moderns (orthodox?) freemason, Albert Pike.

No thanks.

Well pike is dead,so matters not and he as been re incarnated as my pet goat,after many reincarnations before in the fires of hell :eek::D:D,so what great good fortune he as now to be my pet goat ;):D

Do you remember the picture barney flintstone posted,that may give you an idea.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4410/thegoat.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thegoat.jpg)

[grandsecretary]

Well pike is dead,so matters not and he as been re incarnated as my pet goat,after many reincarnations before in the fires of hell :eek::D:D,so what great good fortune he as now to be my pet goat ;):D

Do you remember the picture barney flintstone posted,that may give you an idea.

:cool:

[lightgiver]

:cool:

Thelonious,

Message To Lightgiver
Lightgiver,

Over the past several days, my words to you have been unbecoming of both a gentleman and a Freemason. I would like to take this time to apologize. Whether or not you are apologetic as well I don't know, but you're forgiven just the same.

Peace.

Calling GS a Cowan is not very nice.

So what as gone wrong again? now he is attacking GS :confused: Not very becoming of a mason,is it now.:(
and a few months ago he said he was thinking of leaving:confused:

I always forgive life is to short.

But you must admit Thelonious,MR Pike was a warmongering person,now in my book that's not very nice at all,he should have been more like Gandhi or mother Theresa,then he might have been looked upon in a different LIGHT ;):)

[thelonious]

Calling GS a Cowan is not very nice.

Lightgiver,

In Masonic terminology, a "cowan" is a non-Mason who tries to pass himself off as a Mason. Thus Grandsecretary is literally a cowan, it has nothing to do with being nice.


So what as gone wrong again? now he is attacking GS

Actually, if you actually read what has been said, GS first falsely attacked Pike, then attacked me for calling his bluff.


But you must admit Thelonious,MR Pike was a warmongering person,now in my book that's not very nice at all,he should have been more like Gandhi or mother Theresa,then he might have been looked upon in a different LIGHT ;):)

I don't think Pike was a war-mongeror. Again, man, before you go making all these judgements, you need to at least *read* his work. He explains very clearly that war is evil, and that he hated it.

[grandsecretary]

thelonius reminds me of that song from Barnum which should be adopted by him as the official Anthem of the Moderns:

There is a sucker born every minute
Each time the second hand sweeps to the top
Like dandelions up they pop,
Their ears so big, their eyes so wide.
And though I feed ‘em bonafide baloney
With no truth in it
Why you can bet I’ll find some rube to buy my corn.
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
And I’m referrin’ to the minute you were born.

Each blessed hour brings sixty of ‘em
Each time the wooden cuckoo shows his face
Another sucker takes his place,
And plunks his quarter on the line
To buy my brand of genuine malarkey.
God bless and love ‘em!
But don’t feel sad or hoppin’ mad or cause a scene
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
But Ma’am you mighta been the minute in between.

If I allow that right here in my hands
The smallest living human man
The sight of that is surely worth a dime
If I present an educated pooch
Who’s trained to dance the hoochie cooch
What better way to waste a bit of time
If I imported monumental cost
A lady, fair, who’s head was lost
While crossing railroad tracks to pick some zinnias
Who eats farina through a hose
And wears pink tights instead of clothes
If that ain’t worth a buck my name ain’t Phineas

Aw you say that’s hog wash well who cares
You’ll buy my hog as long as

There’s a sucker born every minute
Each time the second hand sweeps to the top
Like dandelions up they pop,
Their ears so big, their eyes so wide.
And though my tale is bonafide baloney,
Just let me spin it,
And ain’t no man who can resist me wait and see
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
And friends the biggest one excluding none is me!

Don't laugh folks, because it is pathetic really, but thelonious actually believes that what he calls "regular", or "orthodox" freemasonry started by a system of masonic spontaneus combustion in the back room of a London pub in 1717.

There's a sucker, born every minute, and thelonious, it was the minute you were born.

[thelonious]

There's a sucker, born every minute, and thelonious, it was the minute you were born.

This is getting wearisome.

The fact is that there are no historians, even non-Masonic ones, who would support "grandsecretary"'s positions. Several prominent historians who are not Masons but who research Freemasonry, support the claims of legitimate Freemasonry. Notable among these is Dr. Margaret Jacobs, who has authored several scholarly works on the fraternity's history.

http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14184.html

Grandsecretary may be a complete fraud, but he's right about one thing: there's a sucker born every minute.

Don't be his sucker.

[grandsecretary]

This is getting wearisome.

The fact is that there are no historians, even non-Masonic ones, who would support "grandsecretary"'s positions.

"Preston is decidedly more full and clear than Anderson, although both wrote in the interests of the London Grand Lodge, yet not with the same bias of feeling. Anderson was one of the originators of the London Grand Lodge, and as a man of strong prejudices he was biased in all his inditings, evidences of which are seen throughout his two publications on every possible occasion, in the omission of historical facts, or giving the contrary construction to, and diverting attention in cases reflecting unfavourably upon the New Grand Lodge. The Books of Anderson, however, are almost universally accepted by the Masonic fraternity as containing a true history of Freemasonry, at least from the time our review commences, and the Ancient Charges, especially those contained in the 1723 edition, are as generally adopted as the fundamental law and basis of Masonic principles. But notwithstanding Anderson's Books of Constitutions were published by order of the London Grand Lodge, with its approval and sanction, yet no more untrustworthy, unreliable books were ever printed under the direction of any organised association. We affirm that Anderson is not to be credited. The Books of Constitutions were written purposely to deceive, to mislead and misrepresent facts as they existed; and if his reports of Grand Lodge Proceedings are true copies of Grand Lodge Records, then the records were corrupted with the design to mislead the reader." (SOURCE: Freemasonry in England from 1567 to 1813, Ancient York and London Grand Lodges , pages 15 and 16, by Leon Hyneman, 1877)

Leon Hyneman was a noted Jewish Scholar, a highly respected Rabbi, Professor, and a distinguished Masonic historian, a member of The jurisdiction of The United Grand Lodge of England.

"It is to be regretted that the records of the "Four Old Lodges" do not antedate those of the 'Grand Lodge', they brought into existence, as fortunately happens in the case of the single lodge which blossomed into the 'Grand Lodge of all England, held at York,' " (SOURCE: The History of Freemasonry, Vol. IV by Robert Freke Gould, 1884)

Robert Freke Gould is THE leading Masonic historian most quoted by The United Grand Lodge of England, of which he was a distinguished member, Grand Officer, and Past Master of its leading Lodge of Research.

thelonious: "Several prominent historians who are not Masons but who research Freemasonry, support the claims of legitimate Freemasonry. Notable among these is Dr. Margaret Jacobs, who has authored several scholarly works on the fraternity's history."

And when I next speak with Margaret, as I do, I will let her know that you presume to speak on her behalf.

Unfortunately for you, she agrees COMPLETELY with us, that organised freemasonry pre-dates the UGLE by many hundreds of years, and the place of The Grand Lodge at York in English Masonic history. I confirmed this with her when we appeared together on a radio show about 5 months ago.

Try again.

[thelonious]

Unfortunately for you, she agrees COMPLETELY with us, that organised freemasonry pre-dates the UGLE by many hundreds of years, and the place of The Grand Lodge at York in English Masonic history.

Wrong. Even if there was a Grand Lodge at York (which certainly hasn't been proven), your modern organization formed in 2005 has no ties to it.

[lightgiver]

Lightgiver,

In Masonic terminology, a "cowan" is a non-Mason who tries to pass himself off as a Mason. Thus Grandsecretary is literally a cowan, it has nothing to do with being nice.



Actually, if you actually read what has been said, GS first falsely attacked Pike, then attacked me for calling his bluff.



I don't think Pike was a war-mongeror. Again, man, before you go making all these judgements, you need to at least *read* his work. He explains very clearly that war is evil, and that he hated it.

I am aware what a cowan is oh wise one,nice one for getting GS on a warning you must be proud of yourself eh.:(

Pike was not a nice man.:( End of.

I have read enough about him,and he was far from enlightened,where do you think he is now,you should follow your self instead of looking up to him.

Well i am sure he participated in war,are we on the same pike here or what.

Pike's reign of terror was so despicable that foreign governments intervened to put an end to his savagery.

Even though Pike was a confederate general who committed the most heinous atrocities of the war his tomb is located just 13 blocks from the Capitol Building.

Caleb Cushing,(link to caleb cushing notes) partner of William Russell, the founder of Skull and Bones at Yale University in 1832, dispatched Albert Pike to Arkansas and Louisiana. Albert Pike’s mission was to further the cause of slavery and to foster a United States civil war, and to establish a line of communication with other fellow Illuminati. Albert Pike founded the Knights of the Golden Circle and the Ku Klux Klan. He was chosen by Caleb Cushing to head an Illuminati branch in New Orleans and to establish a New World order. Albert Pike moved his law office to New Orleans in 1853 and was made Masonic Special Deputy of the Supreme Council of Louisiana on April 25, 1857.

You need to research more Monk your superiors are leading you up the garden path,and you have already threatened me,your memory must be short.

Judah Benjamin, Albert Pike, and Admiral G.W. Baird made these secret plans in New Orleans during the winter of 1863-64. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865. For his participation in the secret rite “Killing of the King”, Admiral G.W. Baird was promoted to Code Level 33 and made the secret King of the Mystick Krewe of Comus. It was also during this time that the motto of the Mystick Krewe of Comus was established sic volvo, sic iubeo- “as I wish, thus I command”.

Therefore, Judah Benjamin, Albert Pike, John Wilkes Booth and Admiral G.W. Baird hatched and conspired to perform of the “Killing of the King” ritual on Abraham Lincoln. Admiral G.W. Baird was set-up to identify the body of Captain James William Boyd as the body of John Wilkes Booth. After Captain James William Boyd was killed in Garrett’s barn his-Captain James William Boyd’s body was taken aboard the Montauk at the naval yard in Washington next to the Saugus. Lieut. W. Crowinshield called Admiral G. W. Baird on board the Montauk to falsify the identity of the body of Capt. James William Boyd as the body of John Wilkes Booth.

You antagonise T monk,and you attack everyone,i had dealings with you ages ago about Bob Marley,surely your memory cannot be that short?
I feel you must be related somehow to pike.

You cannot make people to like pike,you have your opinion,more than likely for self interest and gains and people have their opinions, not for self interest and gains but for the sake of humanity,pike was not a full shilling and people who follow him,well i will leave that to your discretion.

and why do you call people frauds? Maybe you are one,i would rather take my chances with GS than you matey,he as never threatened me.

I trust no one who follows pike and his copied doctrines.

[thelonious]

nice one for getting GS on a warning you must be proud of yourself eh

He got himself on warning, it didn't have anything to do with me.

I have read enough about him,and he was far from enlightened,where do you think he is now,you should follow your self instead of looking up to him.

You completely miss my point. You talk about what you read *about* him, but most of what you've read is false. That's why I say you need to read work *by* him, and by writers who are academic, not conspiracy theorists prone to making stuff up.


Pike's reign of terror was so despicable that foreign governments intervened to put an end to his savagery.

Even though Pike was a confederate general who committed the most heinous atrocities of the war

You've *got* to be kidding me. :rolleyes:

Caleb Cushing,(link to caleb cushing notes) partner of William Russell, the founder of Skull and Bones at Yale University in 1832, dispatched Albert Pike to Arkansas and Louisiana. Albert Pike’s mission was to further the cause of slavery and to foster a United States civil war, and to establish a line of communication with other fellow Illuminati. Albert Pike founded the Knights of the Golden Circle and the Ku Klux Klan. He was chosen by Caleb Cushing to head an Illuminati branch in New Orleans and to establish a New World order. Albert Pike moved his law office to New Orleans in 1853 and was made Masonic Special Deputy of the Supreme Council of Louisiana on April 25, 1857.

You need to research more Monk your superiors are leading you up the garden path,and you have already threatened me,your memory must be short.

Judah Benjamin, Albert Pike, and Admiral G.W. Baird made these secret plans in New Orleans during the winter of 1863-64. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865. For his participation in the secret rite “Killing of the King”, Admiral G.W. Baird was promoted to Code Level 33 and made the secret King of the Mystick Krewe of Comus.

Dude, sometimes you're just too much, ROFL.

[lightgiver]

He got himself on warning, it didn't have anything to do with me.



You completely miss my point. You talk about what you read *about* him, but most of what you've read is false. That's why I say you need to read work *by* him, and by writers who are academic, not conspiracy theorists prone to making stuff up.



You've *got* to be kidding me. :rolleyes:



Dude, sometimes you're just too much, ROFL.


No you are to much,i have never heard 1 good word about Pike,only from you,the one who threatens people ?speaks volumes that .:)

I have already told you i have read is copied works.:)

and you cannot get through a post without sarcastic remarks.

You antagonised GS like you do with others, and some are not as patience as others,you have tried it with me since i came on this forum.:)

Who the cap fit let them wear it ,that's all i can type at this moment.:):)

It was not long ago that you were considering leaving freemasonry?

Dip for diplomatic;
'Yp for hypocratic;
Dry for dry-land tourist;
Tup for Topper Norris!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh! Man, go!

Dem cut - cut - cut 'gainst 'em one another;
Cut - cut - cut 'gainst 'em one another.
Oh, dem teach to love one another;
Oh, dem teach to love one another. Man, go!

Dem a run - come - come wid a gravalicious;
Dem a run - come - come wid a gravalicious;
Dem a run-a - come-a - come-a wid a gravalicious;
Sehd, a run-a - come - come-a wid a gravalicious.

See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh! Man, go!


Dip-a (for diplomatic);
A 'yp-a (for hypocratic);
Dry - dry - dry (for dry-land tourist);
A tup-pa - tup-pa - tup-pa (for Topper Norris)!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh!
See de 'ypocrites, dem a-galang deh! Man, go!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6228825881502067434

I wonder if there is a Jazz version?

BTW explain why YOU are so Knowledgeable on PIKE??

[thelonious]

No you are to much,i have never heard 1 good word about Pike,only from you,the one who threatens people ?speaks volumes that .:)

If you've never heard a good word about Pike, you haven't read very much.


You antagonised GS like you do with others, and some are not as patience as others,you have tried it with me since i came on this forum.:)

If by "antagonizing GS" you mean refuting what he writes in order to point out the truth, I plead guilty as charged.

The importance of Albert Pike is not only in Freemasonry, but in metaphysics in general. A profound student of Truth, Pike attained enlightenment, and shared his knowledge, wisdom, and insight with the world. And like all other great teachers throughout history, he is scorned and lied about by the ignorant.

Above all things let us never forget that mankind constitutes one great brotherhood; all born to encounter suffering and sorrow, and therefore bound to sympathize with each other. We have all the light we need, we just need to put it into practice. - Albert Pike

[lightgiver]

If you've never heard a good word about Pike, you haven't read very much.



If by "antagonizing GS" you mean refuting what he writes in order to point out the truth, I plead guilty as charged.

The importance of Albert Pike is not only in Freemasonry, but in metaphysics in general. A profound student of Truth, Pike attained enlightenment, and shared his knowledge, wisdom, and insight with the world. And like all other great teachers throughout history, he is scorned and lied about by the ignorant.

Above all things let us never forget that mankind constitutes one great brotherhood; all born to encounter suffering and sorrow, and therefore bound to sympathize with each other. We have all the light we need, we just need to put it into practice. - Albert Pike

Now YOU are really to much,did he attain enlightenment while blocking up his Chakras with booze and cigar smoke :D:D

What makes you so knowledgeable on Pike?? Apart from reading his copied works.

and thelonious explain your version of enlightenment seeing you know so much about it?

and GS as refuted you over and over.

Its a pity pike did not practise what he preached.

[thelonious]

What makes you so knowledgeable on Pike?? Apart from reading his copied works.

What "copied works"? I've read his originals, many of which are available online.

and GS as refuted you over and over.

No. He just made claims, and when I refuted him, he attacked me. In logic, that it is what is known as the ad hominem fallacy, and is frequently employed by people running a scam.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and thelonious explain your version of enlightenment seeing you know so much about it?

Enlightenment consists of a fundamental understanding of reality, including the nature of existence, man's place in it, and his relationship to the Divine. Pike, as one of the foremost among the 19th century Magi, encountered this, as is clearly evidenced by his writings.



Its a pity pike did not practise what he preached

Interesting, since Pike was well-known not only as a philanthropist, but one of the only abolitionists in the Confederate hierarchy. I therefore have to once again question your sources.

[lightgiver]

What "copied works"? I've read his originals, many of which are available online.



No. He just made claims, and when I refuted him, he attacked me. In logic, that it is what is known as the ad hominem fallacy, and is frequently employed by people running a scam.



Enlightenment consists of a fundamental understanding of reality, including the nature of existence, man's place in it, and his relationship to the Divine. Pike, as one of the foremost among the 19th century Magi, encountered this, as is clearly evidenced by his writings.




Interesting, since Pike was well-known not only as a philanthropist, but one of the only abolitionists in the Confederate hierarchy. I therefore have to once again question your sources.

I am questioning your sources to,this is a pointless circular debate.

I cannot be bothered discussing him i am wasting my precious human life, do try and be less insulting just because people disagree with you,now that is a true gentle man and Freemason.:) Ta Ta for now.

[mynameis]

Lyndon LaRoche thinks Pike is an English double agent and states as much in the documentary 1932 alternate view of history.

[boots]

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nice one for getting GS on a warning you must be proud of yourself eh

He got himself on warning, it didn't have anything to do with me.

Couldn't give a fuck for the both off you. You both cant see the true which looks you straight in the eye's.

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I have read enough about him,and he was far from enlightened,where do you think he is now,you should follow your self instead of looking up to him.

thelonious: You completely miss my point. You talk about what you read *about* him, but most of what you've read is false. That's why I say you need to read work *by* him, and by writers who are academic, not conspiracy theorists prone to making stuff up.

WHAT lol. Albert Pike was a delude, evil, sadistic person. If you cant see that then your a lost cause.

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Pike's reign of terror was so despicable that foreign governments intervened to put an end to his savagery.

Even though Pike was a confederate general who committed the most heinous atrocities of the war


thelonious: You've *got* to be kidding me. :rolleyes:

Your a deluded sheep if you think this isn't true:rolleyes:

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Caleb Cushing,(link to caleb cushing notes) partner of William Russell, the founder of Skull and Bones at Yale University in 1832, dispatched Albert Pike to Arkansas and Louisiana. Albert Pike’s mission was to further the cause of slavery and to foster a United States civil war, and to establish a line of communication with other fellow Illuminati. Albert Pike founded the Knights of the Golden Circle and the Ku Klux Klan. He was chosen by Caleb Cushing to head an Illuminati branch in New Orleans and to establish a New World order. Albert Pike moved his law office to New Orleans in 1853 and was made Masonic Special Deputy of the Supreme Council of Louisiana on April 25, 1857.

You need to research more Monk your superiors are leading you up the garden path,and you have already threatened me,your memory must be short.

Judah Benjamin, Albert Pike, and Admiral G.W. Baird made these secret plans in New Orleans during the winter of 1863-64. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865. For his participation in the secret rite “Killing of the King”, Admiral G.W. Baird was promoted to Code Level 33 and made the secret King of the Mystick Krewe of Comus.

thelonious: Dude, sometimes you're just too much, ROFL.

ROFLMAO, Wakey Wakey hand of snakey thelonious

Nah it's alright go back to sleep. and listen to this

Pink Floyd Mother - YouTube

[thelonious]

Lyndon LaRoche thinks Pike is an English double agent and states as much in the documentary 1932 alternate view of history.

Yes, much nonsense has been, and continues to be, written about Pike. It's almost as if the Pike-attackers are completely brainwashed by their own propaganda, since it is relatively simple to do a little honest research and find the truth for oneself.

But then again, some are far more interested in spreading fear and bigotry than in truth. It's also interesting that they usually pick Pike to make their straw man out of.

[lightgiver]

What "copied works"? I've read his originals, many of which are available online.



No. He just made claims, and when I refuted him, he attacked me. In logic, that it is what is known as the ad hominem fallacy, and is frequently employed by people running a scam.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem



Enlightenment consists of a fundamental understanding of reality, including the nature of existence, man's place in it, and his relationship to the Divine. Pike, as one of the foremost among the 19th century Magi, encountered this, as is clearly evidenced by his writings.




Interesting, since Pike was well-known not only as a philanthropist, but one of the only abolitionists in the Confederate hierarchy. I therefore have to once again question your sources.

No you are wrong,i was threatened with my life by YOU and nothing happened,i take no sides,and when i see injustice i will speak out, whether the said person be a free mason are not,you are out of order,and You have got away with a lot of abuse.

On pike he was not enlightened 1 iota ,you show some proof of his enlightenment:confused:

I care not for Ad_hominem,i have common sense a lot appear to be lacking in these degenerate times.

and you keep harping on about pikes philanthropy did you get that off wiki or morals and dogmas,because i see a lot of morals missing today and everyday.

and i see the real kind people ignored,and all the Nut cases put on pedestals,must be the fluoride in the water.

I have seen a lot more compassionate people around than pike believe you me,but you have an agenda which is ultra obvious,what people need to do with that pike statue is do like they did with Saddams insane statue,pull the horrible thing down to the ground where it belongs and to be smashed into a thousands pieces.:mad:

Goodbye Blue Sky - YouTube

[lightgiver]

I do not enjoy bringing this up,but facts are facts,even though there are no facts only interpretations.

Question,

. Isn't the masonic Bible supposed to be Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma?

Answer,

There is no "masonic Bible". The proper masonic term is "Volume of Sacred Law". Freemasonry having evolved in Christian, and at one time Catholic, nations, members were predominantly Christian and therefore a version of the Christian "Holy Bible" is utilized in most masonic lodges. The Authorized King James 1611 version is the most common, although few jurisdiction specify usage. If its membership is composed of men of different faiths, a lodge may choose to use one or a number of different books such as the Koran, Torah or Bhagavadgita (Song of the Lord). ;):)

Is this correct GS?

[grandsecretary]

I do not enjoy bringing this up,but facts are facts,even though there are no facts only interpretations.

Question,

. Isn't the masonic Bible supposed to be Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma?

Answer,

There is no "masonic Bible". The proper masonic term is "Volume of Sacred Law". Freemasonry having evolved in Christian, and at one time Catholic, nations, members were predominantly Christian and therefore a version of the Christian "Holy Bible" is utilized in most masonic lodges. The Authorized King James 1611 version is the most common, although few jurisdiction specify usage. If its membership is composed of men of different faiths, a lodge may choose to use one or a number of different books such as the Koran, Torah or Bhagavadgita (Song of the Lord). ;):)

Is this correct GS?

The Holy Bible is the Masonic, and everyone else's Bible lightgiver. The Moderns allows the use of other "Holy Books" in place of the Holy Bible. From memory, this policy was introduced in the early 20th century in order to accommodate the Hindu Masons in India.

[serpentseed]

The masonic bible is the king james bible and they have a certain set of key symbols which unlocks the correct interpretation of the texts of the old testament. As the common man was given parable the priesthood/brotherhood were educated and were given the keys to understanding.

[grandsecretary]

The masonic bible is the king james bible and they have a certain set of key symbols which unlocks the correct interpretation of the texts of the old testament. As the common man was given parable the priesthood/brotherhood were educated and were given the keys to understanding.

You are absolutely right serpentseed, except that the latest policy of the Moderns form of freemasonry allows any version of the Bible to be used, and also other "Holy Books" where these references are entirely absent. It has become an absolute sham.

[serpentseed]

The funny thing about Allbert Pike is that he was the founder of the K.K.K. and his picture is still allowed by Johnson's Hall (Black Freemasonry)

So what now have the reincarnated soul group of the serpent race finally spread out amoung the rest of the races?

[lightgiver]

The Holy Bible is the Masonic, and everyone else's Bible lightgiver. The Moderns allows the use of other "Holy Books" in place of the Holy Bible. From memory, this policy was introduced in the early 20th century in order to accommodate the Hindu Masons in India.

So what about the Old testament?,isn't the king James bible the updated version with a lot of info missing?

Come on GS,??

[lightgiver]

In his book, "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite", Pike states, "Therefore, it was that the Sword and the Trowel were the insignia of the Templars, who subsequently, as will be seen, concealed themselves under the name of Brethren Masons. This name, Freres Macons in the French, adopted by way of secret reference to the Builders of the Second Temple, was corrupted in English into Free-Masons ...

[serpentseed]

So what about the Old testament?,isn't the king James bible the updated version with a lot of info missing?

Come on GS,??

See post here for some missing info esp on Constantine responsible for the niceene creed that decided what was left out of the bible and what was added in.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56110

Regards

[lightgiver]

See post here for some missing info esp on Constantine responsible for the niceene creed that decided what was left out of the bible and what was added in.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56110

Regards

cheers serpent seed,wicked name BTW ;):D

and this i agree with,The Players behind the scenes since ancient times have been Sirius, Draco, Zeta Reticuli, Pliades.

do you know anything (illuminati)about the planet of light BTW.

[kenny_bubb]

I do not enjoy bringing this up,but facts are facts,even though there are no facts only interpretations.

I do not enjoy bringing this up, but you have managed to contradict yourself in the space of 12 words....

Congratulations, that's a new world record!

[lightgiver]

I do not enjoy bringing this up, but you have managed to contradict yourself in the space of 12 words....

Congratulations, that's a new world record!

Really,very good.:p and i may do some more.

and i bet you do not know where that one came from do you now.There are no facts only interpretations,no doubt you will google it,to much for your brain cell to handle. He He,

i see you are still hovering like a fly.

[kenny_bubb]

There are no facts only interpretations,no doubt you will google it,to much for your brain cell to handle. He He,

i see you are still hovering like a fly.

"too" much for my brain to handle, i think you'll find. Come on, give peace a chance.

Have you considered the link between Albert Pike and Alex Salmond?

[lightgiver]

"too" much for my brain to handle, i think you'll find. Come on, give peace a chance.

Have you considered the link between Albert Pike and Alex Salmond?

I always give peace a chance,

just let me remind you,

I do not enjoy bringing this up, but you have managed to contradict yourself in the space of 12 words....

Congratulations, that's a new world record!:confused: now is that an insult or not :confused:

do not take your Grief out on me.BTW you missed Cell out.

No i did not know if there is a link bewtween salmon and pike,but now you have typed it,you could be correct :D:D that is good and quite funny,i must admit ;)

I wish you could do that more often.:cool:

"There are no facts, only interpretations."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

The weak and ill-constituted shall perish: first principle of our (elites)philanthropy. And one shall help them to do so.

[thelonious]

The funny thing about Allbert Pike is that he was the founder of the K.K.K. and his picture is still allowed by Johnson's Hall (Black Freemasonry)



The Ku Klux Klan by Nathan Bedford Forrest, not Albert Pike. While anti-Masons often claim that Pike had been a member, there is no evidence to substantiate that claim. Pike's name is not included on any original Klan documents, although all the KKK members were.

In his book "Esoterika: Symbolism of the Blue Degrees", Pike himself states that outside of Freemasonry, the only organization he held membership in was the Oddfellows.

I think you're referring to Prince Hall Masonry instead of "Johnson Hall". While Prince Hall is predominantly African-American in membership, it is not exclusively so. As previously mentioned, Pike was a benefactor to the Prince Hall Scottish Rite.

[grandsecretary]

In reply to Mr Pike's personal spin doctor:

I took my obligation to White men, not to Negroes. When I have to accept Negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it.

Albert Pike 33°
History and Evolution of Freemasonry, page 329

[localidiot]

Complete letter is here:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/pikesracism.htm
At the bottom.


Again, if the negro lodges are not regular, they can easily get regularized. If our Grand Lodges won't recognize negro lodges, they have the right to go elsewhere. The Grand Lodge can't say to eight or more Masons, black or white, we will not give you a charter because you are negroes, or because you wish to work the Scottish Rite, and you shall not go elsewhere to get one: That latter part is bosh.


Read it, interpret it how you will.

[eternal_spirit]

Masonry by the Scottish Rite and the British foreign office. Though most of its lodges were in the North, B'nai B'rith (exclusivley Jewish Lodges) was openly pro-Confederate. Though it claimed to be neutral in the war, many of the Order's Northern spokesmen were stridently pro-slavery. B'nai B'rith's post-Civil War leaders were pro-Confederate operatives, including later president Simon Wolf, who had been arrested by the War Department in Washington, D.C. as the lawyer for a Confederate spy ring.

Rabbi Isaac Wise established B'nai B'rith's center for the ``liberalizing'' of Judaism in Cincinnati, Ohio--coinciding with Cincinnati's other great Scottish Rite scheme, the launching of the Knights of the Golden Circle.

Wise was officially neutral in the Civil War. Core leaders of the B'nai B'rith from then on have been Scottish Rite Masons.

The political establishment associated with the Order has always had its headquarters in London. In Richmond, the Confederate capital, Gustavus A. Myers was Secretary of State Judah Benjamin's closest friend and Benjamin's channel to banker August Belmont.

The former president of the Richmond City Council, and the undisputed head of Richmond's Jewish community, Myers was Freemasonry Incarnate. Myers's maternal grandfather, Moses Michael Hays, had brought the original ``patent'' and rituals from England to found the Scottish Rite in the American colonies.

A tory and financial partner of Boston's slave trade millionaires, Hays passed his fortune and his Masonic and British underground connections to his daughter's husband and sons, the Richmond Myers clan.

Moses Myers, merchant partner of the Richmond family, was head of Norfolk's Jewish community. His house is now a public museum, located on Norfolk's Freemason Street.

Inside is a large wooden plaque given to the family by Queen Victoria, in recognition of the family's long service to the British crown and cause.
Several generations, living in that same Moses Myers house, were British consuls. All of Virginia's Jewish leaders then were Masons, one of them Rothschild's official Virginia agent who was grand master of Virginia Masons during the war of 1812. After the Civil War, the Belmont/Rothschild faction took absolute control over the Jewish leadership within New York and trans-Atlantic finance. Joseph Seligman, who had been pro-Union like most American Jews, joined the British banking syndicate of Rothschild and J.P. Morgan, which ran U.S. government finance from the 1870s onward.

he {Knights of the Golden Circle} appeared first in Cincinnati, under the supervision of the Scottish Rite's Midwest organizer Killian Van Rensselaer, a longtime underground military operative for Britain in North America. So Cincinnati was the northern capital of the pro-slavery, Masonic terrorist underground.

From there the Knights spread throughout Ohio, Indiana and Illinois, down the Mississippi to the Gulf south, and into Maryland and Virginia to surround the national capital. The Golden Circle was to be a new slave empire centered in Cuba. It would break up the U.S.A. and conquer Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean.

The Knights armed and drilled up to 100,000 would-be emigrants, raiders, rapists, and slaveholders. They were organized into lodges called ``castles,'' with Masonic signs, grips, and passwords. They were to kill the hated Catholic Hispanics, and fill their places with black slaves brought fresh from Africa. This is the first ``North American Free Trade Agreement''!(The Masonic imperialism of the Franklin Pierce administration lives on as the romantic, elite legend of the Eastern Establishment. They celebrate that legend in the marriage of President Pierce's blood relative Barbara Pierce to George Bush, whose imperial ideas are rooted in the events of the 1850s.) Led by Quitman and his allies in the lower South, the Knights of the Golden Circle formed the heart of the secession military machine as the crisis of the Union deepened.

But John Quitman died in July 1858. The Scottish Rite leadership was then totally reorganized. Albert Pike was brought into the Supreme Council and, in 1859, Pike was elevated to Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction. While the Knights of the Golden Circle intensified their terrorist activities in Texas, and their ``filibuster'' raids into Mexico and Central America, Albert Pike pulled together the inner core of a revolutionary government for the U.S. southern states.

For the final three years of the four-year Civil War, Judah P. Benjamin served as Confederate secretary of state. Benjamin supervised the financial and supply relations to the British Empire and its ally, Napoleon III of France, and ran the Confederacy's international network of spies and saboteurs.

But let us ask, does Mr. Pike's organization have an ``un-Christian or anti-Christian character''? Albert Pike responded in 1861 to a Mason who tried to claim the Scottish Rite was somehow Christian. Pike said that if the Scottish Rite ``had a Christian basis, how did it chance that most of those who had possession of it in this country from 1763 to 1800 were Hebrews?'' In fact, Pike and the Scottish Rite borrowed a good deal of numerology and other superstition from the Jewish cabala

Albert Pike is yet another well-respected Mason avowing the central place of Cabala within the craft. He wrote: "Masonry is a search after Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to Kabbalah". He also confirmed for us that Kabbalah lies at the heart of Masonic cryptography, "All the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols".

Here are some Bill Cooper quotes

Among the founding members of the Charleston Scottish Rite Lodge were many prominent Jews, including Isaac Dacosta <sp?>, Moses Cohen <sp?>, Israel Deleiben <sp?>, Dr. Isaac Held <sp?>, Moses Levy <sp?> and Moses Peixoto.

Many of these men, ladies and gentlemen, were Sephardic Jews from North Africa or from Spain who had originally settled in the Caribbean and engaged in the early slave trade.Although today any reports of the Freemasonic roots and structure of B'nai B'rith are usually greeted with a torrent of allegations of anti-semitism, back in the formative years, B'nai B'rith's own magazine, "The Menorah", offered the following information about the founders of the group--and listen to this very carefully. Quote:

"Their reunions were frequent and several of them being members of existing benevolent societies, especially the Order of Freemasons and Odd-Fellows, they finally concluded that a somewhat similar organization, but based upon the Jewish idea, would best obtain their object.

"The Jewish religion has many observances and customs corresponding to the secret societies known to us. The synagogue, for instance, might be compared to a Lodge room. It used to be open twice a day. For a Jew desiring to find a friend, they had but to go there and make themselves known by a certain sign and token.

"The sign consisted of a grip with a full hand and the magical word 'Shalom Alakim' <sp?>. The mezuzah on the doorpost was the countersign--'Shema Israel'. 'Hear O Israel' was the password."

End quote. Indeed, to this day, all local chapters of the B'nai B'rith are referred to as Lodges, a practice borrowed whole cloth from the Scottish Rite.

Here's a little rant I prepared earlier from another thread which I love to quote when the word red neck is posted :D (some real history for you all)

The first slaves taken to America where Irish and English white men, hence the term RED NECK, because they'd be out working in the hot sun (sun burnt - red necks) and were not used to the heat - many died out there.

It's true look the colder regions North America/canada more whites, the hotter regions south America more black and hispanics (Spanish and Portugese they are not the same as British they where used to the hot sun) The only reason Black slaves were brought to America was they were used to the hot sun.

The Africans had been selling their own people to other countries for a long time and still do (but you dont consider that racist black slaves selling black slaves) or the Islamic invasions and take over of huge parts of Africa (cos they ain't white):rolleyes:

The History of Britain at that time Foreign kings/religions and banking powers(Rotshchilds) ruled over England, the country had been controlled through debt/usury,wars so the people were at war and hungry. (Research what life was like for English people back then real slavery)



The Irish famine was engineered by foreign Governments/kings/bankers who took control of England, and they needed their lackies/frontmen/foot soldiers etc (the Illuminati was set up by Jews our royals are probably Rothschild Jews and there's claims they are also related to Mohammed prophet of Islam)

Truth is there was no shortage of food in Ireland, it was stolen and shipped out to feed the soldiers and slaves in the colonies.

The white slaves shipped over to America had no choice (rot in Prison for petty offences, fight a civil war, starve) the punishment for a petty crime of catching and eating a rabbit on LORD shitface the 3rds estate/land, would get you sent off as a slave to America or another colony.



the institution of slavery not only is recognized but is elaborately regulated by Sharia law.

From a Muslim point of view, to forbid what God permits is almost as great an offense as to permit what God forbids - and slavery was authorized and regulated by the holy law.

Muslim traders went as far away as Scandinavia, and especially Sweden, (white slaves) where scores of Muslim coins have been found with inscriptions from the seventh and eleventh centuries. On the long lists of goods which Muslim traders imported from Scandinavia, are found 'Slavonic slaves (white slaves) sheep, and cattle' (cited by Lewis in The Arabs in History). An early ninth century geographer, Ibn Kurradadhbeh, describes Jewish merchants from the south of France 'who speak Arabic, Persian, Greek, Frankish, Spanish, and Slavonic. They travel from west to east and east to west, by land and sea. From the west they bring eunuchs, slave girls and boys, brocade, beaver skins, sable and other furs, and swords'.

Arabia was another major center for the slave trade. The flow of slaves from Africa into Arabia and through the Gulf into Iran continued for a long time. The extension of British, French, and Italian control around the Horn of Africa (the area of Somalia and Kenya today) deprived the slave traders of their main ports of embarkation
Quite possibly, the maintenance of slavery and the social acceptance of slaves were important drawing cards for Islam as it penetrated Africa. Without a knowledge of history,many Africans may be unaware of the fact that Islamic traders carried on a steady slave trade (They never taught us white people this at school either and in ISLAM they still use slaves from other countriesTODAY) from East African ports for many centuries. Records are available which contain the lists of goods involved in trade with the rest of the world.

http://www.answering-islam.org/ReachOut/slavetrade.html


btw also Jews who ran the slave trade where not Ashkenaz/khazzars but Sephardic (North African's who also invaded Spain/Europe with their Muslim brothers) And would have worked together in Africa.

Search for modern day white slave trade, mostly white women are taken to far away lands an used as sex slaves etc.

Islam started invading countries form the begining of Islam, they got as far as spain the french fought them off, then the Christain crusades were in response to the Muslim invasions, murders, attacks.

Also look for Islam and Freemasonry
Or islamic influences on Freemasonry.

[eternal_spirit]

They have traced this scourge to the migration of the Venetian mercantile oligarchy to England more than 300 years ago.

Although the Larouche historians do not say so, it appears that many members of this oligarchy were Jews. Cecil Roth writes: "The trade of Venice was overwhelmingly concentrated in the hands of the Jews, the wealthiest of the mercantile class." (The History of the Jews in Venice, 1930)

As William Guy Carr points out in Pawns in the Game, both Oliver Cromwell and William of Orange were funded by Jewish bankers. The English Revolution (1649) was the first in a series of revolutions designed to give them world hegemony. The establishment of the Bank of England by William in 1694 was the next crucial step. Behind the facade, England has been a "Jewish" state for over 300 years. (pp.20-24)

The Jewish banking families made it a practice to marry their female offspring to spendthrift European aristocrats. In Jewish law, the mixed offspring of a Jewish mother is Jewish. (The male heirs marry Jews although the Victor and Jacob Rothschild are exceptions .)

For example, in 1878 Hannah Rothschild married Lord Rosebery. who later became Prime Minister. In 1922 Louis Mountbatten, the uncle of Prince Philip and cousin of the Queen married the granddaughter of Jewish banker Ernest Cassel, one of the wealthiest men in the world. Winston Churchill's mother, Jenny (Jacobson) Jerome, was Jewish. By the beginning of the 1900s, there were very few English aristocrat families left that hadn't intermarried with Jews.

It was said that, when they visited the Continent, Europeans were surprised to see Jewish looking persons with English titles and accents.

According to L.G. Pine, the Editor of Burke's Peerage , Jews "have made themselves so closely connected with the British peerage that the two classes are unlikely to suffer loss which is not mutual. So closely linked are the Jews and the lords that a blow against the Jews in this country would not be possible without injuring the aristocracy also." (Tales of the British Aristocracy1957, p.219.)

If they aren't Jewish by intermarriage, many European aristocrats consider themselves descendents of Biblical Hebrews. The Hapsburgs are related by marriage to the Merovingians who claim to be descendents of the Tribe of Benjamin.

Quote:
'United Press International
October 10, 1986
MOSLEMS IN BUCKINGHAM PALACE


Mixed in with Queen Elizabeth's blue blood is the blood of the Moslem prophet Mohammed, according to Burke's Peerage, the geneological guide to royalty. The relation came out when Harold B. Brooks-Baker, publishing director of Burke's, wrote Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to ask for better security for the royal family. ''The royal family's direct descent from the prophet Mohammed cannot be relied upon to protect the royal family forever from Moslem terrorists,'' he said. Probably realizing the connection would be a surprise to many, he added, ''It is little known by the British people that the blood of Mohammed flows in the veins of the queen. However, all Moslem religious leaders are proud of this fact.''

Brooks-Baker said the British royal family is descended from Mohammed through the Arab kings of Seville, who once ruled Spain. By marriage, their blood passed to the European kings of Portugal and Castille, and through them to England's 15th century King Edward IV. '
Informative Link (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:QyF4nB4nbGsJ:www.maldivesroyalfamil y.com/maldives_royal_genealogy.shtml+royal+family+descen dants+prophet+mohamed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk)


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41585

link
Beyond 33rd degree (Islam is taught)

It's starting to look more like a combined Jewish and Islamic plot to take over the planet (NWO) Could this be the Big secret that few know and hence the constant demonisation of the white race.

[rr_x]

It's starting to look more like a combined Jewish and Islamic plot to take over the planet (NWO) Could this be the Big secret that few know and hence the constant demonisation of the white race.



lol

[eternal_spirit]

lol

Truth is often stranger than fiction.

[eternal_spirit]

Elijah Muhammed founded the anti white racist Nation of Islam no whites allowed to join that. He was at least a 33rd degree Mason. Cuts both ways don't it!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52154

info on NOI here

also
There was a 2 million man march in support of NOI in Washington USA in the 90s.
Some link Obamah and funding to NOI or at least his mentor (can't remember his name) who preaches in a Blacks only Christian Church.

[rr_x]

Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Truth is always stranger than fiction because fiction is based on truth but fiction does not have the whole truth.

Now if I'm understanding you correctly, at the highest level Masonry is a conspiracy against the white race?

[lightgiver]

Bumped for wazaap;)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52959 or they get that heated it gets closed,such is the subject matter,and people still follow this idiots ideology.

[lawrence_connor]

Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike [1871]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

This is Albert Pikes' 861 page volume of 'lectures' on the esoteric roots of Freemasonry, specifically the 32-degree Scottish Rite. Until 1964, this book was given to every Mason completing the 14th degree in the Southern jurisdiction of the US Scottish Rite Freemasons. Masonic lectures are standard oral presentations given during initiation to a new degree. Lectures provide background material for initiates and the discuss duties of the degree in general terms. They do not present details of the rituals, gestures, regalia, etc., for which one must consult other books on Masonry.

Pike states right off that half of the text is copied from other works. Unfortunately none of these quotes are properly cited, and in most cases it is only a shift in style which allows us to identify a quote. There are also lapses of fact and logic. So it would be a mistake to use this work as an authoritative source without additional research and critical thinking. That said, Morals and Dogma is a huge, rambling treasure-house of esoteric data, particularly on the Kabalah and ancient Mystery religions. Whether you just browse these pages or study it from one end to the other, this is a must-read book for anyone looking for long-lost knowledge.

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[lightgiver]

I wouldn't mind but pike wrote these books off the back of someone else,now that's what I call Plagiarism.

Thats how all these sponging elites work,get all their wealth and knowledge off the backs of others.

Reminds me of Constantine using the Christian faith to get his own way.Ha Ha.:p

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[lightgiver]

Albert Pike was a fish! ... that's the secret code in his name!

Thats what I meant by very fishy :p

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