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christophera
12-02-2009, 07:24 PM
I wish 9-11 truth wasn't so complex, but a psyops against it makes it that way. Please try and understand what is shown here.

As most reading this forum have seen I am a truther that is different from others. I'm the solitary proponent for information about a deception by FEMA regarding the structural design of the Twin Towers. I say that deception invalidates the NIST analysis of collapse which is compulsory due process in crimes of murder in the US. The cause of death must be determined.

Accordingly, if indeed the deception has occurred, in order for the US government to be in compliance with US laws based in Constitutional rights, an inquiry into the deception must be held.

Now to the title of the thread and purpose herein. In a recent thread titled,

The General Theory of 911 Planes

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52998&page=6

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52998&page=7

As some may have noticed I take big exception to the "No Plane Theory" (NPT) and if none will progressively discuss gaining more truth by the means I outline above, and auxiliary assertions I make regarding disinformation targeting the above information and process of compelling official action while instead engage in methods of distraction in order to disinform by artificial domination of the forum with NPT, my only logical option is to target NPT to intervene and prevent the distraction.

Yes, convoluted, but no nearly so as what the NPT'ist who wrote this has started today,

No - no more answers from me Chris - I told you. Now you answer my question please...

I see teamwork, and it is not to get more truth because I finally backed them into a corner and asked "how NPT could be meaningfully useful to get more truth?"

As can be seen on these to pages of the thread where that quoted statement was made.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52998&page=6

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52998&page=7

there is a large measure of unaccountability shown by the poster I've quoted and another poster posted an obliquely, indirectly supportive comment which is erroneous.

I thought this thread was supposed to be about the relative merits of drones, holograms, missiles and cgi's. :confused:

Note the thread title states,

The General Theory of 911 Planes

not something about "no plane", but the poster, who usually is confused, simply applied a confused smily to another erroneous statement indicating they thought the thread was about elements of NPT.

How TRUTH is promoted by "ignore" is by not ever replying to posts of these unaccountable individuals who appear to be surreptitiously colluding to keep this forum continually confused and distracted from engaging any information that might get more truth. The reason those who seek truth need to do this is that it seems the moderators cannot notice this lack of accountability and intervene.

That extends to allowing and empowering internet stalkers who have the same unaccountability to follow me here and exhibit the same unaccountability with the same disregard for real information while promoting information that is shown to be false and erroneous while originating with people who are perpetrators of 9-11 or directly benefitting from 9-11.


Hey Chris.

Can you please explain to the good folks here how on earth you could fit 24 local elevators, 23 express elevators with access doors on either side(capable of carrying 55 people, so they were pretty big), stairwells, a freight elevator, and access hallways, all to building code, into your 9600 Sq. Ft. rectangle (80' x 120') above and NOT have any access from outside the core?

gamolon originates from the same forum as stan in 2004, "Lets Roll 9-11". They have followed me from there to a thread created by the admin of a site that seems essentially to be a cointelpro psyops debunking site.

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2854

If one feels like they need to understand how a psyops debunking site, reading the last 25 pages or so will do it.

From this page,

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2854&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=6285

onward a decent exposure of the admins intention is clear because there I begin to expose that this image provided by the admin in support of the last quoted poster has been photoshopped as was the image of that poster.

http://breakfornews.com/bfn4/wtc1lobby1.jpg

Basically I proved that the images were photoshopped

on the next page,

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2854&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=6300

The admin did nothing about that fraud of evidence that is done to support the FEMA deception, basically supporting that the actual methods of mass murder remain secret. Instead they went on to use the fraudulent evidence of that poster which is from silverstein and associates that supports the FEMA deception.

Never has anyone ever posted images of the supposed steel core columns shown in the core area on 9-11. In that very thread another REAL supporter of truth found a video that shows a massive piece of the concrete core falling into the core area.

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww168/S_N_A_F_U/core_animation_75.gif
The original video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI

I apologize for the complexity of this, but I did not create this tangle, the disinformation agents did, I am only providing a method of untangling it. It is a psyops. It is about destroying your ability to understand 9-11. After seeing the new NPT thread, and considering the lack of logic used to promote the notion that the perpetrators of 9-11 intentionally created the backwards impact/fall sequence, which is based in a deception of video not proven by any means, any person with the patience and intellectual where-with-all, to sort it out, placing any poster who supports NPT on ignore is the simplest option.

The pages you view will be fairly uncluttered and you will not have to sort through nonsense that is only supported by the fact that video can be faked, not that video WAS faked. In that recent thread you will see the large degree of assumptions the poster makes in attempting to prove the absurd point that the perps created the backwards impact/fall sequence in order to get away with demolition covered by only fake video of planes hitting building and not actually using any planes.

My information of the concrete core is back by massive evidence from images of 9-11 and statements of authorities of engineering found here.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

That information of the concrete core is not a theory. I know for absolute certain the towers core was a steel reinforce cast concrete tube, and images show it. The NPT'ists simply believe there were no planes and can provide no proof beyond the fact that video can be faked and witnesses 7 years after the fact can be found to say they actually did not see the planes. Of course those witnesses are few and the NPT'ists mostly allude to them not seeing planes and only have 3 that actually come forwards. One clearly has a major memory problem and cannot remember taking the picture of the plane that they have.

That information of the concrete core is the basis for a theory that DOES explain all of these factors which are profound and unique to 9-11.

free fall
total pulverization
superfine, heated particulate
smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's
heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet (http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11fivephenomena.html)

A Ph.d in physics, DR. Ron Larsen, has authored a short page about my demolition model.

http://libertycalling.com/cbrowndemomodel.htm

My site explaining the demolition is found here,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

and I have produced a 16 minute video in 2 parts that utilizes the images from the demolition site in ways that can only be done with video by scaling and merging them.

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition I (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6240504594075547308&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Twin Tower Deception and Demolition II (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5255701680091399090&q=twin+towers+deception+and+demolition&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1)

It has become and absurd world where ignore works, but collectively if we just decide that NPT is disinformation and ignore any who promote it, we will purify at least our personal experience of disinforamation and its disruptive influence.

Consider this if you feel the truth is needed and there is a psyops damaging the peoples quest for truth.

gamolon
12-02-2009, 07:48 PM
gamolon originates from the same forum as stan in 2004, "Lets Roll 9-11".

Nope. You've got it wrong as usual. I started at the JREF forums. Never posted at the Let's Roll 9-11 forums.

Nice try though.

stannrodd
12-02-2009, 10:23 PM
Using "IGNORE" to Promote Truth

I believe this is the title of this thread.

May I suggest that readers ignore this thread to promote the Truth:D

Just another concrete core thread ...

Stann

bryan
12-02-2009, 10:52 PM
In support of Chris, I'd just like to say I think he's a genuine bloke.

There are some things you can't fake, and one of them's insanity. :)

stannrodd
12-02-2009, 11:30 PM
In support of Chris, I'd just like to say I think he's a genuine bloke.

There are some things you can't fake, and one of them's insanity. :)

A very good point Bryan.

His behaviour is considered and deliberate ....... what is his motivation ?

Stann

christophera
12-02-2009, 11:30 PM
I will continue to oppose NPT because I can do so effectively and show with reason that NPT is useless information that only serves to distract and confuse the public thereby acting as disinformation.

I would love to ignore the NPT'ists bu have not seen that anyone can effectively expose that what they are doing is destructive to the American public gaining any more truth.

So until ignoring them is shown to be a way to deal with them generally by sincere truth seekers, which is done by posting here in this thread, that the threads purpose is understood. To show agreement not to argue and post, which promotes the nonsense when their thread goes to the top, or not argue if it cannot be done effectively is next best to ignoring them.

I do see that those agreeing may generally want to view my exposure of the NPT disinformation campaign.

Posting in this thread indicates that you are against NPT as being promoted as anything functional and keeps the opportunity visible for people to understand the extensive effort I have put into exposing the strategy an uselessness of NPT.

What is curious is that few NPT'ists here seem to be Americans.

bryan
13-02-2009, 12:26 AM
Chris, I found a thread where people are taking your demolition theories seriously.

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=4981&st=0

The only trouble is they're all NPTists. :(

christophera
13-02-2009, 12:36 AM
Chris, I found a thread where people are taking your demolition theories seriously.

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=4981&st=0

The only trouble is they're all NPTists. :(

Yes, that poster had many questions, I answered most them in ways consistent with available evidence.

The one point they really related to was the complete pulverization of the towers contents. The concrete core as an optimized container of explosive energy that can be engineered into just about any shape, including that of the steel reinforced cast concrete tube of the Twin Towers finally made such sense to them that they accepted their "process of elimination" of other demo methods and realized that indeed, the uniformity, totality and perfection of what happened on 9-11 at the WTC could only be explained by the buil tto demolish theory.

BTW, your posting that means to me that yoy are not a willful part of the disinformation, something I sense long ago, but your doing so now is good to see. I am very harsh on organized disinformation and it is often very hard to tell the difference.

The truth is so important to all of our futures, I feel assuming the worst is safest until a person shows their sincerity by observing reason with evidence. Your taking the time to find that link and posting it shows you take reason seriously and are simply having a difficult time with strongly held beliefs.

We can be sure that even though they understand the feasible explanation fro demo, they can find no way to make NPT meaningfully useful.

bryan
13-02-2009, 11:00 AM
Chris, I found a thread where people are taking your demolition theories seriously.

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=4981&st=0

The only trouble is they're all NPTists. :(

There's a clue in that thread to why the perps might want people to think the towers were pre-wired for demolition.

It's been alleged that the Bin Laden Construction Company were involved in the building of the WTC.

Which means Bin Laden might have known where the self-destruct buttons were.

So controlled demolition is now compatible with Islamic hijackers.

http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2007/04/bin-laden-construction-company-worked.html

christophera
13-02-2009, 07:23 PM
There's a clue in that thread to why the perps might want people to think the towers were pre-wired for demolition.

It's been alleged that the Bin Laden Construction Company were involved in the building of the WTC.

Which means Bin Laden might have known where the self-destruct buttons were.

So controlled demolition is now compatible with Islamic hijackers.

http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2007/04/bin-laden-construction-company-worked.html

Correct, PAUL LAFFOLEY (http://web.archive.org/web/20040807085840/http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069641/) recalls a meeting where a saudi construction company working on the towers asked "where the explosives sould be put".

Then there is the testimony of Robert L. Parish Sr. (http://www.rense.com/general48/chargesplacedinWTC.htm)

christophera
13-02-2009, 07:27 PM
It appears the disinformation agents are consolidating here to dismiss the concrete core information. Another showed up and admitted to a triangle, but got it wrong. gam and stan have a new accomplice. gam, stan and and tan are the official keepers of the FEMA lie which is the core of the actual methods of mass murder.

The degree of experience I have in the quest for 9-11 is very hard to define. See my petition for a partial list of boards I've been banned from for posting pictures of the concrete core, stating, "that is concrete" and demanding that any who assert there were steel core columns post an image of them in the core area on 9-11.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/WorldTradeCenter911

BTW, I'm not exactly happy about the title, not sure if I was set up or not. I had problems getting the text competently oriented. The party that posted it though it should be a petition targeting the government. Well, ........ we already know they are not accountable, why target them? Why not target those that are acting in a way that protects the infiltrators of government. There is a psyops directed against the peple that are trying to get the truth, we have to be smart enough to recognize that and direct our efforts towards countering it.

Oh geez, the Chris/Stann/Gamolon triangle is in full flow.

BTW, these agents are hoping posters will join in the juvenile mentality they promote. They accuse you of exactly what they are doing.

secondsun
14-02-2009, 05:06 AM
I wish 9-11 truth wasn't so complex....

..its not!... its just people like you make it more complex than it need be!

christophera
14-02-2009, 05:27 AM
I wish 9-11 truth wasn't so complex

..its not!... its just people like you make it more complex than it need be!

You don't see me following stan and gam around the internet do you? The psyops agents and the disinformation campaign that misinforms through quasi authority. As I try to undo their misinformation, the psyops agents interfere and make it complex.

Then the misleading that created the NPT misinformation is such a complex psychological maze for the believers that mind control needs to be explained, because it is very likely that some of them are MKultra victims. Of course that is the last thing an MKultra victim can acknowledge, so then I have to explain it sideways so I'm not telling them they are jjust describing the symptoms/behaviors that would logically accompany .

"9-11 truth" is not just the truth of 9-11. It is a movement and a process.

The functional process begins with selecting which issue can actually compel more truth than we already have. That is very complex when one considers that I have to work with a mix of paid agents from foriegn countries doing their dammedest to confuse and mislead, then NPT'ists compulsively trying to promote their useless information, (watch one post and say, "its not useless", then completely fail to show how it is used.)

"9-11 truth" is way more complex than it needs to be, but people aren't as reasonable and informed as they need to be an I can't do it alone, ........so, you get the picture, ...... I hope.

stannrodd
14-02-2009, 06:36 AM
"9-11 truth" is way more complex than it needs to be, but people aren't as reasonable and informed as they need to be an I can't do it alone, ........so, you get the picture, ...... I hope.

Try working with people instead of against them .. then you won't have this huge burden of "doing it all on your own "..:rolleyes:

The tears are running down my ears .. my eyes are quite far apart :D

Stann

christophera
14-02-2009, 08:06 AM
Try working with people instead of against them
Stann

Pfffffffffffffff, you are a joke. I work with evidence and reason, either peopel get it or they don't. Either they want to get it or they don't want to get it.

Working with (for) them is working against you and your unreasonable support for secrecy regarding the means of mass murder on 9-11 in NYC.

christophera
15-02-2009, 12:12 AM
It is becoming very clear that this forum is over half populated with people who cannot use evidence, their own or that which actually explains the five phenomena that is so well noted by everyone in the truth movement.

free fall
total pulverization
superfine, heated particulate
smooth, square cut column ends x the 1,000's
heavy steel assemblies heaved hundreds of feet (http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11fivephenomena.html)

Only useful information should be entertained by any doing research at this point. I believe I've established by recent posts that the truth movement is seriously infiltrated with a psyops that makes people uncertain and confused or able to support proposals of substance and exposed the infiltrators by asking for their reasonable recognition of evidence or asking for the method of use for misinformation to show it is, indeed, useless information.

stannrodd
15-02-2009, 04:22 AM
It is becoming very clear that this forum is over half populated with people who cannot use evidence, their own or that which actually explains the five phenomena that is so well noted by everyone in the truth movement.

It's blatantly obvious which half you belong to Chris. Evidence is something you avoid like the plague !!

The five phenomena .. let me guess .. the ones you alone believe in, because you created them .. you have no support whatsoever.

Stann

christophera
15-02-2009, 05:21 AM
It's blatantly obvious which half you belong to Chris. Evidence is something you avoid like the plague !!

The five phenomena .. let me guess .. the ones you alone believe in, because you created them .. you have no support whatsoever.

Stann

Mr. text, "says so". You are only here because I do have the support.

stannrodd
15-02-2009, 06:21 AM
Mr. text, "says so". You are only here because I do have the support.

No actually Chris, I'm here to guarantee you don't have any support in your disinformation campaign about the Twin Towers construction, and your constant abuse of those involved in their construction. I said that right from day one.

What's a Mr. text, "says so" ?? Is he another apparition of your wild imagination ??

Stann

christophera
15-02-2009, 06:35 AM
No actually Chris, I'm here to guarantee you don't have any support in your disinformation campaign about the Twin Towers construction

Stann

I can evidence what I say existed and do it with verified evidence from 9-11.

The below is an end view of the west core wall of WTC 1 standing left of the spire. The broken concrete edge can even be made out.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg

A supporter from the cointelpro site,

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2854&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=6435&sid=aad14d0e71cf63fcfac790d7479a3a3b

Found this in a video taken east of WTC 1 that shows a massive piece of the east core wall of WTC 1 toppling into the empty core area.

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww168/S_N_A_F_U/core_animation_75.gif

There are so many supporters I cannot begin to name them.

In fact, the original stannrodd, whom you impersonate after stealing the username, a technique I've noticed the disinformation psyops uses, was a supporter. readers, note the different language structure. The real stan was much more articulate.

http://algoxy.com/psych/supportfor9-11truth.html

RESPONSE FROM Let's Roll 9-11

stannrodd
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Posts: 972
Location: Aotearoa
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject:
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Your logic regarding the demolition collapse and the towers tilting the wrong way is impeccable Christopher. In both airplane impacts the slicing of a part of the support structure would create the possibility of the tower falling toward the impact side. In both cases I feel the aircraft impact was inadequate to be the sole cause of the collapse, since the aircraft were shredded into much smaller projectiles and for the most part entered an empty space.

For the sake of argument if the core was not a solid structure then it would add more to the above empty space concept. Either way the only way for the towers to tilt/fall the wrong way would be to purposely weaken them that way. QED.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

There is a fascinating webpage, http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html" that describes a new model for how the WTC towers were demolished: they were built with pre-coated C4 explosives on the core columns. Sounds crazy perhaps, but the guy seems to know his stuff.

There is much more interesting info at his site, and he also attempts to explain the
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2005/03/proof-that-something-very-strange.html strange story of the spire, that I posted about a few days back. Overall, this fellow has put together an incredible story and it is the best single explanation that I have seen for why the WTC collapsed. It probably takes a few readings to really have it sink in. I definitely will be referring back to this theory in the future. He has these further down on his page. They are: 1) The collapse of WTC 7, not hit by a plane; 2) The rate of collapse equaling that of free fall; 3) The molten steel seen in the basement 2 weeks after 9-11; 4) The character and quantity of concrete particulate.

stan, you are an imposter that supports secret methods of mass murder with deceptions, manipulations and misrepresentations.

No scruples. An agent that doesn't care one way or another. $ rules.

stannrodd
15-02-2009, 06:37 AM
Same old crap .. you are drunk aren't you !!

Stann

christophera
15-02-2009, 06:41 AM
Same old crap .. you are drunk aren't you !!

Stann

You're the drunkard stan. Your avatar give it away along with your demeanor which defines a fake who doesn't give a damm. You are EXPOSED

stannrodd
15-02-2009, 06:44 AM
I admit to enjoying a drink in moderation .. you don't .:eek:

Cheers

Stann

secondsun
15-02-2009, 06:51 AM
...toppling into the empty core area.

....looks to me like something falling AWAYfrom the core!... not into the core!

christophera
15-02-2009, 07:58 AM
I admit to enjoying a drink in moderation .. you don't .:eek:

Cheers

Stann

Never. It is the corporate method of destroying human culture. I can tell you know nothing of what that means and care less.

The US Constitution and the natural laws it extends into my and my childrens futures are sacred. You defile it and them.