Banned Dutch MP lands at Heathrow

[drhemp]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7885918.stm

Banned Dutch MP lands at Heathrow

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A Dutch MP who called the Koran a "fascist book" has arrived at Heathrow Airport despite being banned from the UK on public security grounds.

Freedom Party MP Geert Wilders was invited to show his controversial film - which links the Islamic holy book to terrorism - in the UK's House of Lords.

But Mr Wilders, who faces trial in his own country for inciting hatred, has been denied entry by the Home Office.

It is possible the MP could be sent straight back to the Netherlands.

The Dutch Ambassador is also at Heathrow to make clear Dutch government's opposition to the ban on Mr Wilders entering the UK.

Before boarding his plane, Mr Wilders told reporters at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam he wanted to see a "stronger response" from the Dutch government to the UK's move.

The MP was invited to the House of Lords by the UK Independence Party's Lord Pearson.

The peer said he disagreed with Mr Wilders' call to ban the Koran, but accused the Home Office of "appeasing violent Islam".

"We're coming to this from the angle of freedom of speech," he said. "This man must be allowed to say what he wants, he must answer questions and then everyone can make up their minds.

"I think this man is raising one of the most important issues of our time. I think it should be discussed more, particularly by the vast majority of the mild Muslim community. They should talk about what the Koran really means.

"These people are using verses in one of the great religious tracts in history to blow up innocent people. That's what we want to talk about... whether these acts of violence can be rooted in the Koran."

'Offensive'

Mr Wilders' film Fitna caused outrage across the Muslim world when it was posted on the internet last year.

Its opening scenes show a copy of the Koran followed by footage of the 9/11 attacks in the US and the bombings in Madrid in 2004 and London in 2005.

The Dutch prime minister has said the film serves "no purpose other than to offend".

The Home Office said there was a blanket ban on Mr Wilders entering the UK under EU laws enabling member states to exclude someone whose presence could threaten public security.

"The government opposes extremism in all forms," it said in a statement, adding that it had tightened up rules on excluding those engaging in "unacceptable behaviour" in October.

"It will stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred, and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country."

I've not seen his film and have no doubt that some may find it offensive, but he should still be allowed to come to this country. If he is not allowed in then it is because Labour have abolished freedom of speech and freedom of movement in the UK. I don't see how the film can be taken seriously, the silly fool thinks Muslims were behind the attacks of 9/11?

[grachtengordel]

geert wilders is a pawn and a huge zionist. his whole purpose in life is to make incendiary comments to make young dutch muslims feel marginalised to make them more angry and militant.
don't drink the koolaid. it's a punch and judy show.
the only reason anyone objected to wilders coming to england is to raise his profile. he is a pawn and if he causes enough upset he will be rewarded , just like sarkozy was rewarded for sparking the riots in france a few years ago when he made outrageous racist remarks, deliberately to cause trouble.
wilders is no more than an agent provocatuer.
dont give his bullshit fire the oxygen of our attention.

[wise haven]

If the truth is offensive - surely that truth should challenged.

Portions of the Koran are unmistakably racist and condone violence and murder of non muslims and apostates.

The early parts of the Koran that urge tolerance and acceptance of other faiths (People of the Book) are later abrogated and complete a 180 degree shift in tolerance is urged.

Maybe the mild Muslims read the first part of the Koran and the extremist read the latter.

The truth is the truth however damning and unpalatable it may be.

Does British society really want followers of a religion who advocate and urge murder for homosexuals, apostates and those of religions that offend their sensitivities.
They also advocate a discriminatory society (dhimmitude) where non Muslims are to be treated as second class citizens.......again true.

It is in the book - go read it - It's all true - Do you want to live in a society where it is illegal to tell the truth?

[drhemp]

geert wilders is a pawn and a huge zionist. his whole purpose in life is to make incendiary comments to make young dutch muslims feel marginalised to make them more angry and militant.
don't drink the koolaid. it's a punch and judy show.
the only reason anyone objected to wilders coming to england is to raise his profile. he is a pawn and if he causes enough upset he will be rewarded , just like sarkozy was rewarded for sparking the riots in france a few years ago when he made outrageous racist remarks, deliberately to cause trouble.
wilders is no more than an agent provocatuer.
dont give his bullshit fire the oxygen of our attention.

I know nothing about him and I'm sure his film is awful, but I don't agree with banning people.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

[drhemp]

If the truth is offensive - surely that truth should challenged.

Portions of the Koran are unmistakably racist and condone violence and murder of non muslims and apostates.

The early parts of the Koran that urge tolerance and acceptance of other faiths (People of the Book) are later abrogated and complete a 180 degree shift in tolerance is urged.

Maybe the mild Muslims read the first part of the Koran and the extremist read the latter.

The truth is the truth however damning and unpalatable it may be.

Does British society really want followers of a religion who advocate and urge murder for homosexuals, apostates and those of religions that offend their sensitivities.
They also advocate a discriminatory society (dhimmitude) where non Muslims are to be treated as second class citizens.......again true.

It is in the book - go read it - It's all true - Do you want to live in a society where it is illegal to tell the truth?

Quite, though it should also be noted that some of those traits also apply to Christianity.

I'm very liberal guy when it comes to religion; I hate all religions equally.

[wise haven]

True - though there is only one reference to homosexuality in the NT and that is by Paul in Acts (I believe) he was a bit of a zealot in my opinion and brought a bit from the OT to pad out the word.
As I have said before "I consider myself a Jesus believer" and not a Christian - mainly because I believe too much monkeying about went on because of Constantine and the Council of Nicea (325 AD)
I don't believe the Bible (OT mainly) to be the literal word of God - that would be nonsensical.
Muslims do believe the Koran is the indisputable word of God/Allah and that inflexibility makes it impossible to question it - and at the risk of beheading most Muslims are unlikely to challenge the meaning of the Koran.
True, devoted Muslims are the ones that adopt the whole of the good and bad of the Koran - and the moderate Muslims are probably guilty of cherry picking and less devout than the hardline Islamists.

Anyhow - Muslims are unwitting pawns in the Globalist plan to destabilise our nations and provide a bogey man distraction therefore aiding the implementation of their system of control. And those of us who get caught up in the Muslim bashing nonsense are being diverted and duped into a purely diversionary tactic.

Apologies to any Muslims if my opinion is offensive - I assure you it is not intended to be so. Just telling it how I see it.

Peace to all:)

[drhemp]

This is a much about divide rule and conquer.

When the official govt policy is to appease the Zionist murderers in Israel and say nothing about the atrocities Gaza, this is an ideal opportunity for them to chuck few breadcrumbs to the Muslim population to distract attention from their policies towards Israel. This coupled with the fact Jacquie Smith is a stupid Nazi bitch who likes banning things anyway and is part of a Government that has the abolition of freedom of thought near the top of their agenda.

This story should not really surprise us at times when a journalist is no longer allowed to call the Prime Minister a 'one-eyed Scottish idiot', even though this is true.

[grachtengordel]

I know nothing about him and I'm sure his film is awful, but I don't agree with banning people.

he works for the same people that those who are banning him work for. it's a punch and judy show. this is all orchestrated.

[element]

He condemns the kuran as a violent book and then says the Netherlands is a Judeo-Christian society. Are the bible and torah so peaceful? :eek:
He should be allowed to give his opinion in England though..

[belial]

I posted this in another thread yesterday:

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2008/02/29/row-over-anti-war-speaker-at-birmingham-rally-97319-20541272/

(There is no difference between the incidents (this thread, and the article above) except one is Muslim and the other is not. Both people can be construed to preach hate depending upon one's opinion.)



However because 'Lord' Ahmed has threatened to use force (he calls it a 'demonstration'), i.e. 10,000 Muslims outside the house of Parliament, then this Muslim hate preacher is allowed into the country (just like the hundreds of others that have been let in/not allowed to leave). Let's not forget the Palestinian 'demonstration' that occurred in London a few weeks ago where the Police were scared shitless... the same would no doubt happen again if 'Lord' Ahmed sent his 10,000 strong army out.

http://thejournal.parker-joseph.co.uk/blog/_archives/2009/2/3/4079210.html


This country is run by a far-left, fascist, dictatorship that couldn't care less about free speach. If Muslims can't handle the truth then they should fuck off to another country that doesn't offend their beliefs. Just don't impose your evil 'Jihad' on countries that *DO* value free speech.

Rant over :)

[wise haven]

Quite so Doc - In Europe we have Muslims being used to fragment our society and in the US it is mainly uncontrolled Mexican illegal immigration.

As you say "Divide and Rule" is one method but also the total demoralisation of the indigenous population by effectively making them second class citizens and imbuing them with a feeling of helplessness and therefore a decline in morale and social cohesiveness...............typical Trotsky/Lenin Frankfurt doctrine.

And Jacqui Smith is just typical of the sociocommunistnazi human rights abusers.

Funny how the laws on treason were changed to get rid of the death penalty - In the back of the minds of these treasonable halfwits is the fear of being brought to justice for their sedition and treason.
Mention Lawful Rebellion to these traitors and watch their eyes glaze over when in their minds eye the hangmans noose is swaying in time to the winds of change underway in the UK and elsewhere.

Muslims, unfortunately, are the distraction away from the real chicanery our politicians are getting up to.

[belial]

(Sorry to double post but wanted to break up the information)

This post was found on another forum, here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/9186693396417871217/

It descibes exactly why Geert was not allowed in, but Muslim hate preachers/extremism are tolerated into the UK...


1. The police know there are thousands of terrorist cells in the UK. If they decided to explode all at once, they'll shut down the UK. Think about all the terrorist cells all over the UK? You may be thinking yeah but the police have them covered - WRONG. Who's going to look after the Muslims when they go for a long stroll with their "Kill the Kufar" banners - all over British Cities? We've already seen the police running backwards for a mile after they lost control of the Pro Palestine march weeks ago in London. And where's our Army? Well they're conveniently tucked away in an un-winnable war in Afghanistan and Iraq, fighting against the very same ideology that the government is banning Wilders from coming into the UK to tell the British people all about. Oh the irony of it all.

2.Ever heard of Sharia Finance? Well Britain's Islamic finance sector is bigger than Pakistan's. It means that the government is going to lick Islam's posterior in order to not lose it. If they allow in Wilders they will lose the finance. It's pathetic really. They are completely incapable of seeing that Sharia is laying down the foundation of Islamisation in the UK. They are also completely blind to not see that the Islamic Finance is funding the Taliban and Islamist militia groups all over the World. They are selling their country out to get votes, to keep them sticking their snouts in the trough of Parliament corruption and greed!
What do we do? Shall we all just start praying to Allah five times a day and making sure our women are covered up fully? It would mean removing almost all of the National Gallery pictures, closing all the pubs down, getting rid of pigs. No? Well unless someone does something to wake the people up to Islamisation then you'd better start doing just this.

[grachtengordel]

from wikipedia (totally accurate then)

In the past twenty five years Geert Wilders has visited Israel on numerous occasions[19], where he says he has met Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert personally. [19]
At one point, Wilders wanted to move to the State of Israel because he believed one could, as opposed to the Netherlands, 'work for your own money'.[19] Wilders worked in bread factories and a moshav.[20] With the money he earned, he traveled through Israel and some nearby countries. In 2003, Wilders stated: "The past years I have visited many interesting countries, from Tunisia to Turkey and from Cyprus to Iran, but nowhere I have that special feeling of solidarity that I always get if I set foot on the Israeli Ben Gurion Airport."[19]

Wilders has, in the eight years he has served in the Dutch Parliament, largely supported Israel and has criticised countries he perceives as enemies of Israel.[19] Furthermore, Wilders has made some proposals in the Dutch Parliament inspired by Israel. For example, in 2005 Wilders proposed implementing Israel's administrative detention in the Netherlands, a practice heavily criticized by human rights group Amnesty International.

wilders is a secret homosexual and possibly related to bob geld-hof. a pawn of the agents of chaos.

[drhemp]

he works for the same people that those who are banning him work for. it's a punch and judy show. this is all orchestrated.

I don't doubt that for a second. If they had just let him it he would have come in unnoticed, whereas by this they give him lots of publicity.

[grachtengordel]

I don't doubt that for a second. If they had just let him it he would have come in unnoticed, whereas by this they give him lots of publicity.

exactly. no one knew of wilders in the U.K. before this. he is being used to facilitate something, not sure what , but this pawn is being manouvered

[mikethepunk]

If the truth is offensive - surely that truth should challenged.

Portions of the Koran are unmistakably racist and condone violence and murder of non muslims and apostates.

The early parts of the Koran that urge tolerance and acceptance of other faiths (People of the Book) are later abrogated and complete a 180 degree shift in tolerance is urged.

Maybe the mild Muslims read the first part of the Koran and the extremist read the latter.

The truth is the truth however damning and unpalatable it may be.

Does British society really want followers of a religion who advocate and urge murder for homosexuals, apostates and those of religions that offend their sensitivities.
They also advocate a discriminatory society (dhimmitude) where non Muslims are to be treated as second class citizens.......again true.

It is in the book - go read it - It's all true - Do you want to live in a society where it is illegal to tell the truth?


I agree wholeheartedly.
It is the same with the Torah advocating the murder, rape and robbery of all non-jews. I think that his film was brave, well done and truthful. People cannot handle the truth-especially when it is about religion. Muslims are suckers, suckered into a hateful, judgmental religion.

I love it how many Muslims get disrupted about anything that calls out their religion for what it is. But it is ok for them to call out America or Christians or Jews on their hypocrisy but it is not ok for others to call them out on theirs.

How sick and mentally diseased are these people? If someone writes a book against Islam, they put a death warrant (fatawa) out on the writer. Pretty extreme. But it is suppose to be ok if they release stuff against the west and other religions?!?!

There are so many ignorant asleep fools in this world it is ridiculous. Any religion that does not teach unconditional love towards all, peace, forbearance and the truth is not a religion at all-it is a gang of evil and enslavement.

Muslims and Jews are so much alike it is pretty ridiculous how neither side can see it. Both sides go completely mad when they are ridiculed and called out on their lies and hypocrisy. The Jews sick the ADL and all kinds of punishment on someone that talks against their religion and Islam does the same thing through different people.

[hokhmah]

WISE HAVEN, wise words.

Many non-muslim people will be angered by this and saying that all of this
does sound rather one-sided - i.e. if the likes of Abu Hamza and other radical
Islamic fundamentalist leaders were allowed to stand in Trafalgar Square,
London, screaming "death threats" and "jihad" to Christians / Westerners /
Jews, not so long back, then why shouldn't Dutch MP Geert Wilders be
allowed into the UK to state his views and to discuss the content of his
controversial film?

However, I think that the whole thing is little more than a 'mind-steering'
government propaganda exercise!! Why has the British House of Lords invited
Geert Wilders over to show his film NOW, at this particular time in the
proceedings? when the damn film was released OVER A YEAR AGO and is
freely available for download on the internet (YouTube etc)? This absolutely
speaks volumes about 'their' agenda here...

Also, the timing of this hyped-up garbage, being reported alongside
recent news of 'racist' Prince Harry being sent to get 'Diversity Training', is
suss to say the least. This kind of story achieves exactly what it has been
specifically targeted to do: i.e. to inflame racial / religious tensions in
communities; to create tension on the streets; to stir up feelings of anger,
hatred and resentment in people, and to divide and set differing groups of
people off one against the other. Pure evil!!

It's clear that the inbred, reprobate, gold-loving devils who hide in the
shadows, plotting our demise, are doing their upmost to create a race /
religious war between Christians and Muslims.

Religion is nothing more than cleverly disguised racism. So, Perhaps instead of
banning Mr. Wilders, it might be far better to ban all religions - then we might
ALL take a few steps forward TOGETHER in fighting this illuminati-tyranny / evil
which threatens to enslave us ALL.

[wise haven]

WISE HAVEN, wise words.

Many non-muslim people will be angered by this and saying that all of this
does sound rather one-sided - i.e. if the likes of Abu Hamza and other radical
Islamic fundamentalist leaders were allowed to stand in Trafalgar Square,
London, screaming "death threats" and "jihad" to Christians / Westerners /
Jews, not so long back, then why shouldn't Dutch MP Geert Wilders be
allowed into the UK to state his views and to discuss the content of his
controversial film?

However, I think that the whole thing is little more than a 'mind-steering'
government propaganda exercise!! Why has the British House of Lords invited
Geert Wilders over to show his film NOW, at this particular time in the
proceedings? when the damn film was released OVER A YEAR AGO and is
freely available for download on the internet (YouTube etc)? This absolutely
speaks volumes about 'their' agenda here...

Also, the timing of this hyped-up garbage, being reported alongside
recent news of 'racist' Prince Harry being sent to get 'Diversity Training', is
suss to say the least. This kind of story achieves exactly what it has been
specifically targeted to do: i.e. to inflame racial / religious tensions in
communities; to create tension on the streets; to stir up feelings of anger,
hatred and resentment in people, and to divide and set differing groups of
people off one against the other. Pure evil!!

It's clear that the inbred, reprobate, gold-loving devils who hide in the
shadows, plotting our demise, are doing their upmost to create a race /
religious war between Christians and Muslims.

Religion is nothing more than cleverly disguised racism. So, Perhaps instead of
banning Mr. Wilders, it might be far better to ban all religions - then we might
ALL take a few steps forward TOGETHER in fighting this illuminati-tyranny / evil
which threatens to enslave us ALL.

Good sound summary hokmah, and thanks :)

The globalists behind the scenes know exactly how to push peoples buttons and yank their strings into outrage.

I stopped getting hot under the collar about stuff like this a long time ago when it became apparent what the real agenda is.

Religion - keep it to yourself....it is after all only a belief, however strong that may be.

All I will say to these religionists is "Don't forget, your rights end where mine begin" much the same as us all being accountable and judged by our respective gods, if we have them, not on the actions of others, but wholly on our own actions.

And those that want to rant, rave and speak with violence and righteous indignation about the behaviour of others need to look in the mirror and very occasionally look upward, to see who is yanking your strings. They might be surprised to see that devil of legend - wearing the guise of banker and politician - not a "merciful, compassionate and divine being of peace"

Here endeth the Lesson - religionists everywhere :D

[jesuitsdidit]

'freedom of speech' does not mean 'freedom to insult'

freedom of speech means the state does not decide who can speak and who cant

there are times and places when its appropriate to air your views and times when it isnt

you r not likely to express yr views on euthanasia to The Queen on the day her mother has died

it depends on his intention; if its to incite confrontation then it is not valid

this argument wd say its ok 4 me to pour petrol on my gas stove bcoz i want to
well its not, bcoz it may affect other people

the correct forum to air contraversial views is one where all r willing to listen with the intention of seeing another's point of view

actions always hav 2 b considered within the wider context of their effects

at a time of high volatility it wd b irresponsible to do anything which may increase it

you may say 'well Muslims equally hav the right to be as offensive to Christians' .. yes, but Muslims dont want to bcoz they dont get a kick out of riling people

that just highlights the immaturity of this man
added to which he is abusing the right to free speech
we know there r some people who r aided by demonising Muslims (Zionists) and we shd not want to hav anything to do with them
its a very dangerous game..

quite apart from which, he's probably been put up to it by some rich Zionist..

[dreamweaver]

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell

[sukyspook]

This is nothing but a distraction from the treason and lies of our own "government"

[jesuitsdidit]

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell

all he's saying is 'i'm for free speech'
well so am I
but i'm not for shit-stirring

[sukyspook]

IMHO he's for villifying Muslims - the illuminati agenda of divide and conquer.

[dreamweaver]

all he's saying is 'i'm for free speech'
well so am I
but i'm not for shit-stirring

No, he's saying "I'm for free speech" whereas you're saying "I'm for free speech but...".

Not the same thing at all.

[tien an]

This is hypocrisy and nanny-state rolled into one.

A few years ago, I wrote to my MP about badges depicting the swastika (authentic 40's) being sold in an Army Surplus store, asking him how it would affect our relationship with our twin town in Germany, a contingent of whom were due to arrive in the town the following week.

I received the rather curt reply that I should be proud to live in a country where the freedom of speech and sale of goods was taken for granted...
I actually 'took the lesson' and it changed my mind; from then on I was pro-free speech, whatever the content.

Look at us now; too bloody scared to allow someone into the country to say something that we know we will find uncomfortable...

Hell, I'm pretty uncomfortable already, what with the extremist Islamist hate-preachers doing their work on Fridays in quite a few mosques around this country...our country.

We're not allowed to make our own minds up any more.
I have to echo wise haven's comments: Let the truth be uttered and we'll deal with it when we hear it!

When's the next General Election...knee-jerk reaction there; a throwback to the days when I actually believed that voting made a difference.

[revolutionary_jam]

waow he's a filthy racist, and eveyone knows it, whats the big deal? he's only preaching to his filthy racist choir, no one else takes him seriously, why give him all the attention?

[sukyspook]

waow he's a filthy racist, and eveyone knows it, whats the big deal? he's only preaching to his filthy racist choir, no one else takes him seriously, why give him all the attention?

But sadly this kind of 'agenda' still works with those who aren't yet 'awake'.

[jesuitsdidit]

No, he's saying "I'm for free speech" whereas you're saying "I'm for free speech but...".

Not the same thing at all.

so u hav the right to march into a synagogue and tell them their religion is wrong and explain why they should become Muslims do you?
idiot - try thinking 4 a change..

[tien an]

so u hav the right to march into a synagogue and tell them their religion is wrong and explain why they should become Muslims do you?
idiot - try thinking 4 a change..

Actually the guy was going to 'march' (having first been invited), into the highest court of the land (House of Lords) and present to them a film explaining his position and to hear their questions and comments. I don't care if he's a raving reptilian shape-shifter; the Govt. is being utterly spineless in not upholding the principle of free speech, on the one hand, or (even worse) they simply do not care about 'principles' and ...us!

I find your analogy quirky, to say the least.

[jesuitsdidit]

so u hav the right to march into a synagogue and tell them their religion is wrong and explain why they should become Muslims do you?
idiot - try thinking 4 a change..

in the right time n place - yes
in the wrong time n place - no..

[jesuitsdidit]

Actually the guy was going to 'march' (having first been invited), into the highest court of the land (House of Lords) and present to them a film explaining his position and to hear their questions and comments. I don't care if he's a raving reptilian shape-shifter; the Govt. is being utterly spineless in not upholding the principle of free speech, on the one hand, or (even worse) they simply do not care about 'principles' and ...us!

I find your analogy quirky, to say the least.

well who invited him and why?

[dreamweaver]

so u hav the right to march into a synagogue and tell them their religion is wrong and explain why they should become Muslims do you?
What have "rights" to do with it? One is either for free speech or one isn't. I support free speech, you think there should be limits to it - which by definition is not free speech.

idiot - try thinking 4 a change..

Oh, the irony. :D

[ex sheep]

But sadly this kind of 'agenda' still works with those who aren't yet 'awake'.

Yes they'll be along here soon :)

[lightgiver]

According to this loser Geert Wilders,muslims carried out 911,obviously he as not done the research,or has he? and he is just con trolled to ignore it so he can stir up even more racial prejudice,he needs to go to a coffee shop and smoke some super skunk,until he cannot see because he is obviously blind and daft,fuelled by the senile gits in the house of lords. ;):D

and if he smokes enough he may just open his silly mind.:D

Watch his propaganda,on here somewhere.?

http://mefeedia.com/entry/geert-wilders-fitna-the-movie-full-length/7549777/

BUT he is correct about freedom of speech and his comments about brown stalin(biggest coward in Europe :D:D) ,i will give him that one.
BUT lets not put fire on a already inflamed situation.

I wouldn't mind though he was in Britain a few weeks ago :confused: warts all that about then.

More propaganda by the MSM.

[picha]

According to this loser Geert Wilders,muslims carried out 911,obviously he as not done the research,or has he? and he is just con trolled to ignore it so he can stir up even more racial prejudice,he needs to go to a coffee shop and smoke some super skunk,until he cannot see because he is obviously blind and daft,fuelled by the senile gits in the house of lords. ;):D

and if he smokes enough he may just open his silly mind.:D

Watch his propaganda,on here somewhere.?

http://mefeedia.com/entry/geert-wilders-fitna-the-movie-full-length/7549777/

BUT he is correct about freedom of speech and his comments about brown stalin(biggest coward in Europe :D:D) ,i will give him that one.
BUT lets not put fire on a already inflamed situation.

I wouldn't mind though he was in Britain a few weeks ago :confused: warts all that about then.

More propaganda by the MSM.
Sure he got the bit about 9/11 wrong, im fully aware it was an inside job but he got the rest of it with respect to islam pretty much spot on.

[lewi]

Geert Wilders was invited by members of the house of lords this is outrageous and this is again an attack on the freedom of expression. This goverment has forgotton what freedom actually means and i think this is the first time such a detainment and ban has ever happened here in the uk under such circumstances and i feel it wont be the last from now on.

The funny thing is Mr Wilders was over here in the UK a few weeks ago and nothing was done then so it begs the question what the hell is truly going on !?!

[belial]

Sure he got the bit about 9/11 wrong, im fully aware it was an inside job but he got the rest of it with respect to islam pretty much spot on.

Well observed ;)

[lightgiver]

Sure he got the bit about 9/11 wrong, im fully aware it was an inside job but he got the rest of it with respect to islam pretty much spot on.

well if you read my post correctly i did state freedom of speech is a right of a free and open society,but England and the so called democratic societies do not practise what they preach, a bit ironic don't you think.

and yes there are crazy Muslims as there are many crazy Christians Buddhists Satanists ETC,but that does not mean religion is bad its just that certain people that are practising the religion are mad and bad and abusing the true message of religion which if practised correctly is a good path.

I am sick of stating this,i wish people would stop blaming labels.

[informationx]

Handyside Vs UK

The Court's supervisory functions oblige it to pay the utmost
attention to the principles characterising a "democratic society".
Freedom of expression constitutes one of the essential foundations of
such a society, one of the basic conditions for its progress and for
the development of every man. Subject to paragraph 2 of Article 10
(art. 10-2), it is applicable not only to "information" or "ideas"
that are favourably received or regarded as inoffensive or as a matter
of indifference, but also to those that offend, shock or disturb the
State or any sector of the population. Such are the demands of that
pluralism, tolerance and broadmindedness without which there is no
"democratic society". This means, amongst other things, that every
"formality", "condition", "restriction" or "penalty" imposed in this
sphere must be proportionate to the legitimate aim pursued.

Interesting case.

[jesuitsdidit]

an attempt to discredit UKIP

[jesuitsdidit]

Handyside Vs UK



Interesting case.

there are times when you do not speak..

[free_soul]

The way to make people give up there freedom of speach is for them to ask for it to be taken away.

There will be more stories like this

[belial]

At the end of the day, we need to worry about:

- Lib-dems
- NuLabour
- Conservatives

All 3 fear 'Nationalism' or... 'the truth'...or the 'EU'.

:)

[free_soul]

all he's saying is 'i'm for free speech'
well so am I
but i'm not for shit-stirring

Free speach is Free speach.

Shit stiring is free speach there is no way to eat about the bush on that one

[belial]

Free speech has now gone in the [communist] UK.

The UK Police are now fucked... i.e. they are dead in the water.

If you are smart, you will know what is going to happen next.

Cue the MI5, Dickheads, Moderators...

... so much to learn.

Let the harvest help us?

[free_soul]

Free speech has now gone in the [communist] UK.

The UK Police are now fucked... i.e. they are dead in the water.

If you are smart, you will know what is going to happen next.

Cue the MI5, Dickheads, Moderators...

... so much to learn.

Let the harvest help us?

anyone with half a brain cell can see whats coming next.

The same people dont like to think about it and the only thing we have to do to stop it is to regect the lot

[jolinemaria]

geert wilders is a pawn and a huge zionist. his whole purpose in life is to make incendiary comments to make young dutch muslims feel marginalised to make them more angry and militant.
don't drink the koolaid. it's a punch and judy show.
the only reason anyone objected to wilders coming to england is to raise his profile. he is a pawn and if he causes enough upset he will be rewarded , just like sarkozy was rewarded for sparking the riots in france a few years ago when he made outrageous racist remarks, deliberately to cause trouble.
wilders is no more than an agent provocatuer.
dont give his bullshit fire the oxygen of our attention.

Totally agree with this observation.
The man is a puppet and totally narcistic.

[nofuture]

Don't remember such an uproar when Farrakhan was banned from Britain.

[debs67gb]

I posted this in another thread yesterday:

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2008/02/29/row-over-anti-war-speaker-at-birmingham-rally-97319-20541272/

(There is no difference between the incidents (this thread, and the article above) except one is Muslim and the other is not. Both people can be construed to preach hate depending upon one's opinion.)



However because 'Lord' Ahmed has threatened to use force (he calls it a 'demonstration'), i.e. 10,000 Muslims outside the house of Parliament, then this Muslim hate preacher is allowed into the country (just like the hundreds of others that have been let in/not allowed to leave). Let's not forget the Palestinian 'demonstration' that occurred in London a few weeks ago where the Police were scared shitless... the same would no doubt happen again if 'Lord' Ahmed sent his 10,000 strong army out.

http://thejournal.parker-joseph.co.uk/blog/_archives/2009/2/3/4079210.html


This country is run by a far-left, fascist, dictatorship that couldn't care less about free speach. If Muslims can't handle the truth then they should fuck off to another country that doesn't offend their beliefs. Just don't impose your evil 'Jihad' on countries that *DO* value free speech.

Rant over :)
Lord Ahmed threatens this each time he doesnt like something he doesnt believe in or agree on - and the pussies of government fain to his every whim the fools

I probably wouldnt enjoy the film I would watch it for insight into the matter - but wasnt this apparently a PRIVATE invitation to a PRIVATE showing - it wasnt going to affect anyone else? On the other hand, all the fuss about it has made people want to watch it to see what all the fuss is about lol and now its on youtube so all can see :)

[ex sheep]

OK I am going to admit this..

I can remember seeing a video of Geert Wilders about a year ago, and I thought to myself, yeh this guy is right on, its about time someone spoke up about these Muslims, after all the killing of all the people on 9/11 and all the other terrorist happenings around the world.

Now I could eat my words.

This guy has been sent here to cause division in our "multi-cultural society" which was all engineered in the first place.

:cool: before

:eek: after

[newspresenter]

I've not seen his film and have no doubt that some may find it offensive, but he should still be allowed to come to this country. If he is not allowed in then it is because Labour have abolished freedom of speech and freedom of movement in the UK. I don't see how the film can be taken seriously, the silly fool thinks Muslims were behind the attacks of 9/11?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410
Geert speaks about it here
Geert Wilders Speaks: Anti-Koran Film "Fitna" (Part 1 of 2) - YouTube
Geert Wilders Speaks: Muslims & Tolerance (Part 2 of 2) - YouTube

Made me larf on Question Time last night when the racist New Labour MP made a right fool of himself
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00hkl9j/Question_Time_12_02_2009/ from 8mins

[revolutionary_jam]

But sadly this kind of 'agenda' still works with those who aren't yet 'awake'.
not really, thanks to the media furore thousands more people have seen his documentary online than every would otherwise

no publicity is bad publicity

[steevo]

I agree with DrHemp that the PTB are purposely creating these stories for in order to divide people. Also, to get the the sheeple to actually AGREE to having their own freedom of speech taken away, TOTALLY in the end.

[newspresenter]

I agree with DrHemp that the PTB are purposely creating these stories for in order to divide people. Also, to get the the sheeple to actually AGREE to having their own freedom of speech taken away, TOTALLY in the end.

It depends what kind of divide you refer to. We currently have multicultural divide. If society was less multicultural, the people would be less divided and have more freedom via collective agreement. They'd be less people claiming free speech as "hatred".

[steevo]

It depends what kind of divide you refer to. We currently have multicultural divide. If society was less multicultural, the people would be less divided and have more freedom via collective agreement. They'd be less people claiming free speech as "hatred".

They are using MANUFACTURED hatred to bring in laws that ban freedom of speech.

[jesuitsdidit]

Don't remember such an uproar when Farrakhan was banned from Britain.

farrakhan's a hi-level freemason..

[jesuitsdidit]

OK I am going to admit this..

I can remember seeing a video of Geert Wilders about a year ago, and I thought to myself, yeh this guy is right on, its about time someone spoke up about these Muslims, after all the killing of all the people on 9/11 and all the other terrorist happenings around the world.

Now I could eat my words.

This guy has been sent here to cause division in our "multi-cultural society" which was all engineered in the first place.

:cool: before

:eek: after

ah, u r joining us now r u es?

[jesuitsdidit]

Made me larf on Question Time last night when the racist New Labour MP made a right fool of himself


talking bout Liam Byrne?
didnt strike me as racist..

[jesuitsdidit]

What have "rights" to do with it?

i'd say "rights" have evryting 2 do wid it

wot do u mean?

[jesuitsdidit]

Free speach is Free speach.

Shit stiring is free speach there is no way to eat about the bush on that one

of course it has 2 b conducted in a sensible way like evryting
u hav 2 drive sensibly with limits
u hav 2 do evryting sensibly within limits

wot planet r u ppl on??

[enga]

WISE HAVEN, wise words.

Many non-muslim people will be angered by this and saying that all of this
does sound rather one-sided - i.e. if the likes of Abu Hamza and other radical
Islamic fundamentalist leaders were allowed to stand in Trafalgar Square,
London, screaming "death threats" and "jihad" to Christians / Westerners /
Jews, not so long back, then why shouldn't Dutch MP Geert Wilders be
allowed into the UK to state his views and to discuss the content of his
controversial film?

Couldn't agree more.....freedom of speech is paramount. It seems like they are trying to stir up racial hatred. In particular I have felt with all that is going on recently that they are trying to draw out any fundamentalists or to incite hatred to come down hard on it.

However, I think that the whole thing is little more than a 'mind-steering'
government propaganda exercise!! Why has the British House of Lords invited
Geert Wilders over to show his film NOW, at this particular time in the
proceedings? when the damn film was released OVER A YEAR AGO and is
freely available for download on the internet (YouTube etc)? This absolutely
speaks volumes about 'their' agenda here...

Also, the timing of this hyped-up garbage, being reported alongside
recent news of 'racist' Prince Harry being sent to get 'Diversity Training', is
suss to say the least. This kind of story achieves exactly what it has been
specifically targeted to do: i.e. to inflame racial / religious tensions in
communities; to create tension on the streets; to stir up feelings of anger,
hatred and resentment in people, and to divide and set differing groups of
people off one against the other. Pure evil!!

It's clear that the inbred, reprobate, gold-loving devils who hide in the
shadows, plotting our demise, are doing their upmost to create a race /
religious war between Christians and Muslims.

Religion is nothing more than cleverly disguised racism. So, Perhaps instead of
banning Mr. Wilders, it might be far better to ban all religions - then we might
ALL take a few steps forward TOGETHER in fighting this illuminati-tyranny / evil
which threatens to enslave us ALL.

Might be a good way of helping implement a one world religion/order and a good excuse to invade Iran. People are people...we should love them all. I don't think anyone should have a problem with anybodies religion as long as they are all respectful of each other and don't enforce or impinge on anyone elses rights or freedoms. The video focuses on the worst aspects of Islam and does not balance it by showing the liberal and loving muslims that do exist. That said I do think some of the more fundamentalist muslims (and all religions) try to push the boundaries by enforcing religious laws or trying to and wanting everyone to follow along but clear boundaries have to be set for this so everyone can co-exist peacefully. I sometimes think this NWO might be a good thing if it brings people together in love and respect...the problem I worry about though is that it is being run by people who don't care about the majority (or worse think of them as garbage) and too much control in too few hands and no real democracy.

I was taught Islam in school and we were told that in the Quran that if something was stated as being the way something should be done or a life led then if it was contradicted elsewhere in the Quran that the later teachings that come further on in the book must be taken as the true intention of Mohammed or Allah and so should be followed. The other contradictory earlier passages should be ignored as an earlier teaching (not the up to date words of Allah). I wonder where in the Quran those passages quoted in the video come and whether they are followed by contradictory and more peaceful messages. Also I think there is some other religious text that some stricter muslims follow (think it's the Shariah?). Troubles with religions is the cherry picking. Maybe editing out the hateful stuff isn't such a bad idea but I'm guessing editing a religious text would be frowned upon by a lot of people and it is censorship which I'm not wholly comfortable with.

[jesuitsdidit]

i.e. if the likes of Abu Hamza and other radical
Islamic fundamentalist leaders were allowed to stand in Trafalgar Square,
London, screaming "death threats" and "jihad" to Christians / Westerners /
Jews, not so long back,

i dont recall AH being allowed to incite jihad in Traf Sq
he preached in the street o/s Finsbury Park Mosque evry Friday
thats a little different isnt it?

[guuna]

OK I am going to admit this..

I can remember seeing a video of Geert Wilders about a year ago, and I thought to myself, yeh this guy is right on, its about time someone spoke up about these Muslims, after all the killing of all the people on 9/11 and all the other terrorist happenings around the world.

Now I could eat my words.

This guy has been sent here to cause division in our "multi-cultural society" which was all engineered in the first place.

:cool: before

:eek: after

I'm just wondering if Common Purpose are playing some role in all of this.

I remember one of his video lectures where Brian Gerrish said that he believes that Muslims in the UK are going to be targeted by C.P.

[jesuitsdidit]

of course it has 2 b conducted in a sensible way like evryting
u hav 2 drive sensibly with limits
u hav 2 do evryting sensibly within limits

wot planet r u ppl on??

everything we do has to be conducted within limits
driving for example
you drive according to the local conditions
same goes for exercising right to free speech
there is a right time and place
and a wrong time and place
i wd hav thought that was obvious..

[jesuitsdidit]

everything we do has to be conducted within limits
driving for example
you drive according to the local conditions
same goes for exercising right to free speech
there is a right time and place
and a wrong time and place
i wd hav thought that was obvious..

to act without considering the consequences is irresponsibility imo..

[drhemp]

I'm just wondering if Common Purpose are playing some role in all of this.

I remember one of his video lectures where Brian Gerrish said that he believes that Muslims in the UK are going to be targeted by C.P.

Good point and I'm sure you are right. All part of their plan to create disharmony and establish the EU police state.

[tien an]

i dont recall AH being allowed to incite jihad in Traf Sq
he preached in the street o/s Finsbury Park Mosque evry Friday
thats a little different isnt it?

Of course it is different...Finsbury Park is quite a way from Trafalgar Square, especially if you are on foot.
Apart from that, 'preaching' hate in the street in Trafalgar Square or any other street is preaching hate.

The main difference between what you have quoted (Trafalgar Sq / Finsbury Park) and being invited to express yourself and face questions is that the 'people' (at least in principle) are represented and have the opportunity to debate.
Sounds quite 'adult' and 'grownup' behaviour, in my opinion.

Freedom; quite beautiful, when you think about it.

[jesuitsdidit]

to act without considering the consequences is irresponsibility imo..

which comes back 2 my original point

freedom of speech does not equal freedom to insult

there are many laws against causing offence and incitement which cd override yr right to 'free speech'

i wd hav thought it was obvious that 'freedom of speech' does not equal 'freedom to insult' ??

[tien an]

which comes back 2 my original point

freedom of speech does not equal freedom to insult

there are many laws against causing offence and incitement which cd override yr right to 'free speech'

i wd hav thought it was obvious that 'freedom of speech' does not equal 'freedom to insult' ??

Sheesh...I'm not the only one to have noticed this...you really do have conversations with yourself, don't you?

[decode reality]

I get the feeling that this whole thing is a staged movie. And I'm sure that the Protocols has something to say about this in a section dealing with religion, the exact reference escapes me now. I haven't read the whole thread but will come back to the topic later.

[decode reality]

I was reminded of these passages from the Protocols:

—-“It will be undesirable for us that there should exist any other religion that ours…. We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief.” (Protocol 14) “Freedom of conscience has been declared everywhere, so that now only years divide us from the moment of the complete wrecking of that Christian religion, as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them.” (Protocol 17)

In other words, is this part of the protocol to "completely wreck" Islam?

If the elite have played divide and rule games in the past, then to me this whole Willders thing seems like 'business as usual'. Even some of the people like Hamza- I'm certain at least one of those guys was MI6- the name escapes me- put there to stir people up, create chaos.

[jesuitsdidit]

just 2 b clear
i believe evrything shd be open 2 discussion
but i dont believe freedom of speech means freedom to insult..

[free_soul]

just 2 b clear
i believe evrything shd be open 2 discussion
but i dont believe freedom of speech means freedom to insult..

Freedom of speach means freedom of speach.

I have the freedom to express myself with exactly what words i want.
Thse who dont agree with me also have the right to express with exactly the words they want. That is the beuty of our god given right to express our heart