Satanism and Mind Control in the Music Industry

[metacomet]

This topic has arisen lately and I wanted to study more on it. I entered a google search on 'music mind control satanism' and wouldn't you know it... an old thread of mine from abovetopsecret.com was one of the first results :rolleyes:

There really isn't that much information on this topic, what has been revealed is still considered occult... inside information is still just that...

Here's the post. http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/field-of-art.htm Link included in old post. Check out the .wmv's they are VERY interesting.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/videos/sold-my-soul-to-rock-n-roll.wmv


"I am not willing to believe that all Rock music is evil or a tool of the devil, in fact, I think it was influential in expanding the consciousness of people in the past century.

However: I am perfectly aware that the music industry is evil. That 'big wigs' are often members of satanic societies etc. and that many of the artists that they push on society are manipulated into progressing a satanic agenda. It is not just 'artistic' for people to sing about pain, suffering, death, sadness, despair etc. - who would want to taint the beautiful art of music with such things? It is actually an essential aspect to the degeneration of music and the lowering of consciousness. This works in the same vein as movies and television: they have evolved into excessively depressing/violent experiences for the viewer. You will notice, so often, that 'rock and roll' today is excessively depressing, they call this 'emo' but it goes into all forms of rock, from heavy metal, to hard rock, to progressive etc. Even fun rock music, the likes of which people will party to all night: is riddled with overt satanic and occult lyrics.

Even more interesting, an untold number of artists have spoken literally about handing over their souls (their conscience or spiritually 'good' personalities) to the machinations of the devil. Many of our well known rock artists are studied in the occult and are aware that spiritual entities and multidimensional 'demons' can manifest themself through music of a lower vibrational nautre. They have admitted that they use rock music and the rythms, the lower gutteral tones, and the insidious lyrics to LOWER the vibration of concerts, listeners, etc. They have admitted countless times (Jim Morrison being the most well known) that they are possessed by the music and have little control over where these vibrations lead them. This is typical of almost any satanic 'ritual' or practice - the lowering of consciousness and allowing lower vibrational entities to control a person. These practices often go completely out of control, and if anyone remembers the last woodstock, it was well known to the people there that a bad energy had manifested itself throughout the crowd following hours of extremely heavy, depressive and violent songs.

This information comes from many sources, there are dozens of books written on the subject and dozens of well known artists who have been 'exposed.' Regardless: the idea that rock music is a tool of the 'devil' has been pushed so hard by evangelicals etc. that people are more likely to LAUGH at the idea, rather than take it seriously. Never the less - well known musicians are often reported admitting to satanism, their friends or colleagues often mention that they have multiple personalities and 'who you see on stage is not that person'. etc.


Frankly, I have known for a long time that rock/pop music has become a degenerative art form. Some musicians take it to a higher vibration, but the music industry has actually brought it much MUCH lower by enforcing popularity for the 'heaviest' bands or the most emotionally depressing artists. The hard rock you hear today is a magnitude of times darker and more depressing than Led Zeppelin and other well known devil-rockers of the past, (and these bands were considered the epitomy of evil by the religious right). Heavy metal has become something of a demonic tour de force and many people revel in this fact, openly flaunting it. It is a devolution of society and the art of music for the purpose of LOWERING the vibration of consciousness.

Many artists were aware of this. Some became aware of the fact that they had been manipulated by the music industry, or began to recollect memories of their brainwashing etc. either through the military or through 'handlers' who often happened to be their manager. These are the artists we know to have so famously died by 'drug overdose' etc. These artists have confided in individuals before their death who would later relay this information to those interested in what's going on behind the scenes in the music industry.

This is a touchy subject for me, because the deeper I delve, the more I realize that the 'greats' are often occultists with exceptional talent who are intentionally using that talent to manipulate the consciousness of listeners. This is a touchy subject for me because while great music makes me shiver and makes me feel as if my spirit is rising, I can acutely sense that 'modern' music, or modern heavy metal/hard rock/pop music is most DEFINITELY lowering peoples consciousness and dragging down their spirits."

[schaff]

Excellent post metacomet i have looked into this subject and agree it seems that satanic and occult symbolism and lyrics are everywhere from pop to rock to hip hop the more you delve the darker the music and entertainment industry gets .

[eternal_spirit]

quote:metacomet
This is a touchy subject for me because while great music makes me shiver and makes me feel as if my spirit is rising, I can acutely sense that 'modern' music, or modern heavy metal/hard rock/pop music is most DEFINITELY lowering peoples consciousness and dragging down their spirits."I know the feeling. And choose what music feels right and how it effects my mind.

[1337]

i want to be like bob dylan , but for rap

[metacomet]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

This music is like a bad acid trip. Enter at your own risk.

Imagine hours and hours of this shit music - you'd be amazed how many kids base their life on that. Get up, eat, get stoned - listen to hours of sick music in a dark room while you surf the net and look at God knows what. It's happening right now - in the millions - it's like an entity if you think about it. The whole industry is vibrating at the same level and is a giant entity.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Pretty much everyone I know personally, except my mother and father, is down with this scene. Everyone . I'm the only one amongst my peers who doesn't dig it. I'm more about classic rock, but that's for another topic :p

[metacomet]

F__Your God, Holy mother for the whore she is,
F___ your God, bible thumper preaching threats from hymn,
F___ your god, his revival and the holy Ghost,
F___ your god; only tell us what we need to know,
F___your god, pointing fingers and then do as me,
F___ your god, you are nothing and you'll never be,
F___ your god; it is Satan who in trusts my soul,
F___ your god, where the Christians are I will not go.
F___ your god!!!!!

For those who didn't understand the lyrics to Deicide 0:50-1:30

;) Cheery tune eh mates?
It's not very intelligent either... the whole song's 'lyrics' consists of screaming hatred at God and religion.

Who gets off on hating religion? Seriously. Who hates and wants to destroy spirituality in any form and image?

Think about it.

Why would people want to base their life, art, or culture on the destruction of spirituality?

Religion as a form of control is one thing to hate... but to be nothing but hate... that is to be possessed, in my opinion. It's inviting possession and insanity. All forms of hate are an insanity, and many hateful 'spirits' that are left behind after death are the 'ghosts' people deal with. Imagine how many 'ghosts' are fed to the other side because of the sickness, blackness, hatred within... imagine how much music like this sucks people into that. Willingly. Knowingly. They don't want lightness or heaven. They hate it.

Satan is pretty powerful in this world.

[comawhite015]

^ Christ, that's shit. That's not even *imaginitive* shit, that's just shit.

Lawl, have you heard of 'Cannibal Corpse'?

I! CUM! BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! <duggaduggaduggaduggaduggaduggaduggaduggadugga>

heh. They're aawwwwwwwwwwwful.

[metacomet]

^ Christ, that's shit. That's not even *imaginitive* shit, that's just shit.

Lawl, have you heard of 'Cannibal Corpse'?

I! CUM! BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! <duggaduggaduggaduggaduggaduggaduggaduggadugga>

heh. They're aawwwwwwwwwwwful.

Yeah man I've heard it all. My roommate leaves that shit playing in the downstairs bathroom all the time. Cannibal corpse blows... all of it blows.
cannibal corpse - Vomit the soul ... (6/12) - YouTube
It's all the same thing. It's as if the same three people sat down at a table and wrote every song for a dozen different bands, making the style just slightly different.

They all get off on the same extremely narrow bandwidth which is hard, fast, and low pitch (low vibration.) What force in reality is all about that?

I think something real is going on when people get down to sick music. I did it as a teenager in my years but moved the fuck on... I know plenty of 20+ year olds who are still life-long members of the 'lifesucks I'm ugly you're ugly' club. Everyone is ugly and sick and they think it's badass. lol. long live rock?

[comawhite015]

^ Well there's intelligent rock and then there's shit rock. I like very little rock because very little of it is intelligent.

[runciter]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41XW9A3B6NL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

We are special
We are perfect
We were born in the sight of god
We were born in the sight of god
Our suffering bodies
will suffer no more
Our suffering bodies
will suffer no more
We are children
Children of God
We are children
Children of God

Swans - Children Of God - YouTube

Violent sexual abuse, brainwashing and neglect:
What it's like to grow up in a religious sect

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/violent-sexual-abuse-brainwashing-and-neglect-what-its-like-to-grow-up-in-a-religious-sect-401035.html

The Children of God began in Southern California in the late l960s, founded by self-styled guru and paedophile, the late David Berg. The CoG believe themselves to be God's elect, offering redemption only to those who join them and adhere to their strict codes. One of Berg's edicts was the "Law of Love", which allowed adult males to have sex with anyone they wanted, including children – Berg called this "sharing", and anyone who wasn't willing to "share" was accused of not loving God enough. Girls from the age of 10 were used in recruitment, offering prospective cult members sex in a practice called "flirty fishing".

http://www.xfamily.org/images/thumb/b/b4/David-berg-tk-SHW_57C.PCX.jpg/180px-David-berg-tk-SHW_57C.PCX.jpg

[metacomet]

http://www.xfamily.org/images/thumb/b/b4/David-berg-tk-SHW_57C.PCX.jpg/180px-David-berg-tk-SHW_57C.PCX.jpg

Ah, yes. Music can be used to manipulate people on either side of the spectrum.

That song sounded like someone had written it strung out on pills... sheesh.

[runciter]

Ah, yes. Music can be used to manipulate people on either side of the spectrum.

That song sounded like someone had written it strung out on pills... sheesh.

the guy in that picture is david berg, the founder of that sect.

i don't know if gira and jarboe (swans) have something to do with him.

but i think that song is about being victims of abuse, and trying to live with it.

[morphal]

He's from the 70s, says he was at the top of the music industry and in the illuminati, gives out a lot of secret info. Says interesting things about music that you don't hear much and this is 30 years ago. That all hollywood types musicians are initiated witches, that they cast spells and conjure demons into the master copy, that the reason for rock music is to place spells on people they couldn't otherwise access.

Also interesting... that witches have a whole vocabulary of different meanings of common words - their own symbolic language. That's why a lot of lyrics don't make sense without decoding them...

Clip is about 6-7 minutes:
Demons Behind The Music Industry (Ex Illuminati explains) - YouTube

[metacomet]

Excellent post morphal, thanks for sharing that.

Man... I never considered that conjuration is involved in the master tapes but that makes so much sense now. I have definitely seen music take people over and if you were to take the music away from them or put them in the outdoors away from music they just get miserable and angry... I have observed this many many times.

That's why I can chill in the woods and camp by myself but most people I know cannot stand being outdoors away from music, t.v. etc... and if they're by themselves in a quiet room they practically go crazy.

[morphal]

Thanks Metacomet, I guess it's kinda like a secret, hidden cult of music. It does make sense, about the master tapes. I guess all media is a potential vehicle.

It's nice to be alone in silence, I agree :) But it does drive a lot of people crazy, lots just leave the TV on all day just for the company of the sound of it.

I found a thread here also very much about Satanism and Mind Control in the music industry... and it links to an extremely revealing documentary on this very topic, I think you'd be very interested... I found this thread by chance yesterday when I had an urge to search for Rihanna b/c her video Disturbia is - well, disturbing, and when I first saw it I thought - mind controlled slave, robot, doesn't even know what she's doing or the subliminal sexual positions they put her in! But this doc. revealed SO much more to it... love to hear what you think if you watch it:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40364

I also just referred to it on another thread - I guess it was just that deep to me that I can't stop thinking about it.

[horus13]

if you're into the chakra thing then you'll know that rock music played in the scale it's played in is really harmful to your energy. combine that with the low vibrational energies and the horrible imagery, plus the demonic throaty shouting and you've basically got some nasty stuff there, that predominantly young impressionable kids listen to.

the music industry is rife with satanists/occultists and a lot of them work for universal which is always pushing the sirian agenda. from what i've heard they're big into aleister crowley etc. that linkage you mentioned in the previous post is for lenon honor, he's on the money about most things.

http://www.lenonhonorfilms.com/

the katy perry/ryan seacrest interview is astounding. there's a lot of sex magick in the music/entertainment industry too. orgies aren't that rare apparently, but they've got to be on certain significant dates obviously.

[morphal]

TY - didnt know what the Katy Perry one was about! Will have to check it out.

[metacomet]

if you're into the chakra thing then you'll know that rock music played in the scale it's played in is really harmful to your energy.

Yyyyup. Commonly referred to as feeling 'amped' up or turned on by the music.

It's the music and it's vibrations fucking with the energy body while the lyrics fuck with the psyche.

It's a powerful concoction... few people are willing to admit to the magical properties of music. That would mean admitting to outside influence. That would mean admitting to the existence of 'the devil' :rolleyes:

And we all know the 'devil' doesn't exist... right? ;)

[Ian2day]

Yeah man I've heard it all. My roommate leaves that shit playing in the downstairs bathroom all the time. Cannibal corpse blows... all of it blows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69mI3OO3ANEIt's all the same thing. It's as if the same three people sat down at a table and wrote every song for a dozen different bands, making the style just slightly different.

They all get off on the same extremely narrow bandwidth which is hard, fast, and low pitch (low vibration.) What force in reality is all about that?

I think something real is going on when people get down to sick music. I did it as a teenager in my years but moved the fuck on... I know plenty of 20+ year olds who are still life-long members of the 'lifesucks I'm ugly you're ugly' club. Everyone is ugly and sick and they think it's badass. lol. long live rock?

More like one person. More like 1,000 bands.

[siphon880di]

if you're into the chakra thing then you'll know that rock music played in the scale it's played in is really harmful to your energy. combine that with the low vibrational energies and the horrible imagery, plus the demonic throaty shouting and you've basically got some nasty stuff there, that predominantly young impressionable kids listen to.

the music industry is rife with satanists/occultists and a lot of them work for universal which is always pushing the sirian agenda. from what i've heard they're big into aleister crowley etc. that linkage you mentioned in the previous post is for lenon honor, he's on the money about most things.

http://www.lenonhonorfilms.com/

the katy perry/ryan seacrest interview is astounding. there's a lot of sex magick in the music/entertainment industry too. orgies aren't that rare apparently, but they've got to be on certain significant dates obviously.

Back then, there were guitarists that directly quote Aleister Crowley. Zeppelin's Jimmy Page is an example.

I can also attest to the music screwing with the chakras. I have read Golden Dawn and other materials. Supposedly each tone stimulates a corresponding chakra. I do not mess with chakras because they attract parasites.

When you were researching this, did they explain which type of music or tones is harmful to our energy system? Is there any music that is okay or even beneficial to our energy system?

[guyblokeman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo_wWn_1TRY

This music is like a bad acid trip. Enter at your own risk.

Imagine hours and hours of this shit music - you'd be amazed how many kids base their life on that. Get up, eat, get stoned - listen to hours of sick music in a dark room while you surf the net and look at God knows what. It's happening right now - in the millions - it's like an entity if you think about it. The whole industry is vibrating at the same level and is a giant entity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVIhJ-tsRG4

Pretty much everyone I know personally, except my mother and father, is down with this scene. Everyone . I'm the only one amongst my peers who doesn't dig it. I'm more about classic rock, but that's for another topic :p

I can't be bothered to address most of the ignorance in this post but I will say this.

It's clear you havn't got the faintest idea what slipknot are about, they're not satanists or trying to control you.

They're trying to help you.

Here's the lyrics for The Blister Exists

Bones in the water and dust in my lungs
Absorbing archaic like a sponge
The ultimate way is the way you control
But can you stay if you detach your soul
Bury the present and squeeze out the past
The ones you endear to never last
Chemical burns and the animalistic
I'm just another hardline psuedo-statistic
Can you feel this?
I'm dying to feel this
Can you feel this?
Blood on the paper and skin on my teeth
Trying to commit to whats beneath
To find the time is to lose the momentum
You learn the lessons and immediately forget them
Automatic and out of my reach
Consult all the waste to find the key
Minimal life and the polysyllabic
I'm just another blank page - push the button, pull the rage
Can you feel this?
I'm dying to feel this
Can you feel this?
I am all, but what am I?
Another number that isn't equal to any of you
I control, but I comply
Pick me apart, then pick up the pieces
I'm uneven
I am the damaged one
All my life and the damage done
Can you feel this?
I'm dying to feel this
Can you feel this?
I'm dying to feel this
I am all, but what am I?
Another number that isn't equal to any of you
I control, but I comply
Pick me apart, then pick up the pieces
I'm uneven

Here's one of my favourites, Before I forget...

Stapled shut, inside an outside would and I'm
Sealed in tight, bizarre but right at home
Claustrophobic, closing in and I'm
Catostrophic, not again
I'm smeared across the page, and doused in gasoline
I wear you like a stain, yet I'm the one who's obscene
Catch me upon all your sordid little insurrections,
I've got no time to lose, and I'm just caught up in all the cattle

Fray the stings
Throw the sheathes
Hold your breath
And listen!

I am a world before I am a man
I was a creature before I could stand
I will remember before I forget
BEFORE I FORGET THAT!

I'm ripped across the ditch, and settled in the dirt and I'm
Wear you like a stitch, yet I'm the one who's hurt
Pay attention to your twisted little indiscrestions
I've got no right to way, I'm just caught up in another battle

Locked in flesh
Pushed in place
Hold your breath
And listen!

I am a world before I am a man
I was a creature before I could stand
I will remember before I forget
BEFORE I FORGET THAT!

I am a world before I am a man
I was a creature before I could stand
I will remember before I forget
BEFORE I FORGET THAT!

My end
It justifies my means
All I ever do is delay
The end of the road and my end
It justifies my means
All I have to do is delay
I'm haven't time to evade
THE END OF THE ROAD!

I am a world before I am a man
I was a creature before I could stand
I will remember before I forget
BEFORE I FORGET THAT!

I am a world before I am a man
I was a creature before I could stand
I will remember before I forget
BEFORE I FORGET THAT!

I am a world before I am a man
I was a creature before I could stand
I will remember before I forget
BEFORE I FORGET THAT!

[metacomet]

Observe as another token metal-fan is incapable of presenting intelligent points but just shoves Slipknot lyrics in my face. Why think for yourself when your favorite band can think for you? Why say anything intelligent when you can just paste lyrics, right?

I can't be bothered to address most of the ignorance in this post but I will say this.

It's clear you havn't got the faintest idea what slipknot are about, they're not satanists or trying to control you.

They're trying to help you.


Slipknot can suck my ass out of a straw. And they would. They do worse.

I listened to Slipknot, kid. Me and all my friends. Probably before you.

I've heard it all. I knew that song before you even showed me the lyrics.

What now?

You think I don't know what Satanism is about? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52349
Fuck off eh?

Real music doesn't need Satanism... Slipknot was a gimmick and is just another leech on the swollen, infested, empty collective soul of sheep. It's awesome how they call you worthless fucking maggots eh? Let's slit our wrists and jerk off. It's all intelligent substance - they're trying to 'help me' and let me in on some deep heavy stuff ;) Yeah man.

[guyblokeman]

Observe as another token metal-fan is incapable of presenting intelligent points but just shoves Slipknot lyrics in my face. Why think for yourself when your favorite band can think for you? Why say anything intelligent when you can just paste lyrics, right?

Haha, the reason I presented you with some lyrics was because it's evident you don't know what you talking about. The fact you begin you post with ad hominen attacks already tells me, and anyone with half a brain that it's you infact, who has no real point. You just bleet on saying SlipKnoT are satanic without any evidence.



Slipknot can suck my ass out of a straw. And they would. They do worse.

I listened to Slipknot, kid. Me and all my friends. Probably before you.

I've heard it all. I knew that song before you even showed me the lyrics.

What now?

You think I don't know what Satanism is about? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52349
Fuck off eh?

Have you heard yourself?!

What have they done that's worse than "sucking your ass out of a straw?"

Also, if you've heard it all before, care presenting any evidence as to why SlipKnoT are satanic?



Real music doesn't need Satanism... Slipknot was a gimmick and is just another leech on the swollen, infested, empty collective soul of sheep.

See, if you understood anything about music you'd realise it's a subjective experience.
I actually produce music and have engineered for a number of bands and find SlipKnoT still one of the most innovative out there.

SlipKnoT is much more than a gimmick, everyone of it's members pours their soul ito that band.....


It's awesome how they call you worthless fucking maggots eh?

The call their fans maggots, not worthless.

They also consider themselves maggots:rolleyes:




Let's slit our wrists and jerk off. It's all intelligent substance - they're trying to 'help me' and let me in on some deep heavy stuff ;) Yeah man.

Haha, your obviously not aware enough to understand the things the Knot are trying to tell you.

It's amusing how you say this music lowers your vibrations when from your defensive, egoic post it actually seems like your the one who needs to raise yours.

[debs67gb]

It is not just 'artistic' for people to sing about pain, suffering, death, sadness, despair etc. - who would want to taint the beautiful art of music with such things?

They do it for the money they do it because hordes of kids are gonna pay to hear it - personally I adore Metallica Slayer Pantera all that bag if you can get past the double meaning yer all trying to create its good fuckin music :)

[Ian2day]

It would still seem to be the case that people still think that bands actually are responsible for all the material they sing. If it is on the TV or radio then 99% of it is controlled by tptb. Why is it that music lables end up being taken over by the large multinationals. Its so they can control all aspects of the business. Cause that is all that commercial music is about. Its about the money. Everything else is just an added bonus to these people.

[unusual_suspect]

It is not just 'artistic' for people to sing about pain, suffering, death, sadness, despair etc. - who would want to taint the beautiful art of music with such things?

They do it for the money they do it because hordes of kids are gonna pay to hear it - personally I adore Metallica Slayer Pantera all that bag if you can get past the double meaning yer all trying to create its good fuckin music :)

I dunno, I don't really pay attention to lyrics, they don't usually make sense cause my hearing is so dodgy. I just listen to the tune and drums.

[debs67gb]

It would still seem to be the case that people still think that bands actually are responsible for all the material they sing. If it is on the TV or radio then 99% of it is controlled by tptb. Why is it that music lables end up being taken over by the large multinationals. Its so they can control all aspects of the business. Cause that is all that commercial music is about. Its about the money. Everything else is just an added bonus to these people.

i think if you confronted a lot of these bands and suggested they didnt write their own lyrics theyd be a tad pissed off ? how dare you insinuate that some people (famous or not) have to have their lyrics written for an ulterior purpose BOLLOX never mind the ...

[guyblokeman]

It is not just 'artistic' for people to sing about pain, suffering, death, sadness, despair etc. - who would want to taint the beautiful art of music with such things?

They do it for the money they do it because hordes of kids are gonna pay to hear it -

They also do it 'cause they speak from personal experience.


personally I adore Metallica Slayer Pantera all that bag if you can get past the double meaning yer all trying to create its good fuckin music :)

Artists use lies to tell the truth - V, from V for Vendetta.

[reptilianshapeshifter]

It's just the same old same old. Something someone doesn't understand launching a crusade. It's exactly what most metal is about regardless of how it's presented. We are just sick and tired of people like metacomet forcing their bland and typical opinions down our throats.

I don't care if you don't like it Metacomet. And you can spout all the nonsense you want. Only the people that already agree with you are listening. You're not changing anything. Thank fuck. No defence , opinion or explanation is ever going to make you sit up and think " you know, I was wrong".

[debs67gb]

They also do it 'cause they speak from personal experience.



Artists use lies to tell the truth - V, from V for Vendetta.

You are absolutely correct on the personal experiences point :) my apologies i didnt throw that in :)

[Ian2day]

i think if you confronted a lot of these bands and suggested they didnt write their own lyrics theyd be a tad pissed off ? how dare you insinuate that some people (famous or not) have to have their lyrics written for an ulterior purpose BOLLOX never mind the ...

The music industry is as fake as a Hollywood film.

[debs67gb]

lol ian when yer get off yer trip there are still people who write and record :)

[Ian2day]

lol ian when yer get off yer trip there are still people who write and record :)

I'm not on a trip. I know for a fact that the music industry uses ghost written lyrics. In fact stolen ghost written lyrics. I have family members in the music and film world. Plenty of bands are fake. In fact even their names and band names are given to them. My family home was bugged by them even before I was born. They first targetted my Dad and then me.

[siphon880di]

I'm not on a trip. I know for a fact that the music industry uses ghost written lyrics. In fact stolen ghost written lyrics. I have family members in the music and film world. Plenty of bands are fake. In fact even their names and band names are given to them. My family home was bugged by them even before I was born. They first targetted my Dad and then me.

Bugged? As in they listen in on what you guys converse about? Do your family members believe this also?

[Ian2day]

Bugged? As in they listen in on what you guys converse about? Do your family members believe this also?

Hmm does the word 'bugged' exist in the dictionary? How about a shop called www.spyshop.co.uk just one of many places where equipment can be purchased from. I am right now listening to a demo made from a bugging of me from 1996. It's my voice only a bit more raspy as I use to smoke back then. I figure that there must be many other such demo's which have been made from secretly recording me recite my lyrics.

When I posted on a different forum about this demo I received death threats. Are you going to be my families bodyguards? I thought not. The world is not a nice place. And I dont see anyone getting my back. Everytime someone has discovered what has happened to me. Instead of pointing it out to me, they have also started nicking lyrics from me! It is a like a snowball effect. Just getting bigger and bigger with more adn more becoming aware of me.

Most of my family is already dead and long burried so you can't ask them for an opinion today based on what I woke up to. Although when I examine my memories from my life I can now see where my Dad obviously knew something was going on but was unsure just who it was and why it was they were coming into our home all of the time. He probably had loads of denial of the lengths they were going to, in their quest to listen to the poetry and other IP which emminates from my mouth at times.

Do you really believe that tptb don't steal Intellectual Property from individuals? Precident has already been set in the public domain. With the stolen thesis of the Phd student being used as justification for the fake war on terror by Blair et al. They're crooks get it? If anyone comes out they either lock then up or suicide them off. Or the investigation just ends with no more reporting in their controlled media.

[morphal]

Those Slipknot lyrics that were posted - I bet the guy who did 'The Workings of Evil' documentary would have a field day with them.

"I wear you like a stain, yet I'm the one who's obscene"

Pretty obvious to me. And I'm not on a crusade or anything, just a seeker of truth.

[guyblokeman]

Those Slipknot lyrics that were posted - I bet the guy who did 'The Workings of Evil' documentary would have a field day with them.

"I wear you like a stain, yet I'm the one who's obscene"

Pretty obvious to me. And I'm not on a crusade or anything, just a seeker of truth.

Could you explain how you think they are satanic?

You really need to listen to SlipKnoT in context aswell....

[morphal]

"I wear you like a stain, yet I'm the one who's obscene"

Dark entity posessing human body - I wear you
Dark entity expresses disgust for human body - I wear you like a stain
Dark entity acknowledges itself and the irony - I wear you like a stain, yet I'm the one who's obscene

I read through the lyrics you posted, don't see how you think they're good, they're just more of the same.

[metacomet]

few people are willing to admit to the magical properties of music. That would mean admitting to outside influence.

Don't even need to address all the defensive outbursts. I already underlined why.

[guyblokeman]

Don't even need to address all the defensive outbursts. I already underlined why.

No you don't, I'm aware why.

It's ironic how in your first reply to me you say I don't make any points, but you've yet to present any this whole mastabatory post.

I'll say again that music is subjective. What lowers your vibrations may not lower someone else's.

SlipKnoT does take occult leanings, I won't deny this.

Remember though, the occult is just a tool, it can be used for good or evil.

"I wear you like a stain, yet I'm the one who's obscene"

Dark entity posessing human body - I wear you
Dark entity expresses disgust for human body - I wear you like a stain
Dark entity acknowledges itself and the irony - I wear you like a stain, yet I'm the one who's obscene

I read through the lyrics you posted, don't see how you think they're good, they're just more of the same.

He's talking about seeing through someone, it's called a metaphor, many artists use them.

Like I've said, your reading the lyrics superficially.

Before I forget is talking about the evolution of your soul, and how most arn't aware of this process.....

It really isn't satanic.

[hewrote]

the following is a thread from petergabriel.com

posted Feb.14/09

Peter Gabriel is criminally insane. He has brutally, brutally stalked and ized me, d me and executed the of my friend in a campaign of hideous, illegal, libel generated crime beyond all horror aimed at me as a person he does not even know. He brutally, brutally d me and d my friend. I cannot get help. There are all sorts of threats and ly attacks coming thoroughly unprovoked from his offices. He is an extremely dangerous and violent criminal. Please intervene. Please. I beg of you. He has d me. d me and d me and d me. Please intervene. I beg of you. He is embarked on a morbid and hideous frankenstein project of identity theft through istic brainwashing. Please intervene. I beg of you.

[metacomet]

Nobody in here is going to convince me of the motivation behind luciferian consciousness.

I already started a thread on Lucifer and I know what finding truth through darkness is all about. There is no need to defend music which is openly luciferian or satanic unless you yourself are incapable of objective analysis.

http://img12.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/b/a/4/8/9/ba489594a3167e6aaf39f4c38d113ecb_full.jpg

[armoured_amazon]

the following is a thread from petergabriel.com

posted Feb.14/09

Peter Gabriel is criminally insane. He has brutally, brutally stalked and ized me, d me and executed the of my friend in a campaign of hideous, illegal, libel generated crime beyond all horror aimed at me as a person he does not even know. He brutally, brutally d me and d my friend. I cannot get help. There are all sorts of threats and ly attacks coming thoroughly unprovoked from his offices. He is an extremely dangerous and violent criminal. Please intervene. Please. I beg of you. He has d me. d me and d me and d me. Please intervene. I beg of you. He is embarked on a morbid and hideous frankenstein project of identity theft through istic brainwashing. Please intervene. I beg of you.

What are the missing words or is that exactly as posted? I went over there but there are too many pages to rifle through.

[dreamweaver]

What are the missing words or is that exactly as posted? I went over there but there are too many pages to rifle through.

Looks to me like there is some sort of content filtering of certain words and from the context I'm assuming that "d" is "raped" and I think "ized" is "sodomized". Those are just guesses but the nature of the post suggests to me that those are the missing words.

Has this person gone to the police with these allegations? I expect not.

[guyblokeman]

Nobody in here is going to convince me of the motivation behind luciferian consciousness.

I already started a thread on Lucifer and I know what finding truth through darkness is all about. There is no need to defend music which is openly luciferian or satanic unless you yourself are incapable of objective analysis.

http://img12.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/b/a/4/8/9/ba489594a3167e6aaf39f4c38d113ecb_full.jpg


Haha, objective analysis!

You call Slipknot satanic and you've still not provided any evidence:rolleyes:

[91181]

pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com has some good info on mindcontroll in hollywood and the music industry...

[siphon880di]

pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com has some good info on mindcontroll in hollywood and the music industry...

Awesome. Thanks. Not only some interesting info, but also good eye candy while I'm at it.

[armoured_amazon]

pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com has some good info on mindcontroll in hollywood and the music industry...

It's a really good blog.

[hewrote]

What are the missing words or is that exactly as posted? I went over there but there are too many pages to rifle through.


hello armoured! please see the thread entitled "Please help me. Please. I beg of you"

started by a poster named Englot.

the Gabriel addicts there are bumping it out of existence.

currently (1:50 pm, eastern std. time, Feb 22/09 it's on page 5)

go to petergabriel.com
click on forums
stick with "general"
click view threads


search pages for the aforementioned title.

[hewrote]

Here is the complete text. damn, I was in a rush on a "family" computer that edits certain words, hence the missing text. sorry


Peter Gabriel is criminally insane. He has brutally, brutally stalked and terrorized me, tortured me and executed the rape of my girlfriend in a campaign of hideous, illegal, libel generated hate crime beyond all horror aimed at me as a person he does not even know. He brutally, brutally tortured me and raped my girlfriend. I cannot get help. There are all sorts of death threats and deadly attacks coming thoroughly unprovoked from his offices. He is an extremely dangerous and violent criminal. Please intervene. Please. I beg of you. He has raped me. Raped me and raped me and raped me. Please intervene. I beg of you. He is embarked on a morbid and hideous frankenstein project of identity theft through terroristic brainwashing. Please intervene. I beg of you.

[armoured_amazon]

hello armoured! please see the thread entitled "Please help me. Please. I beg of you"

started by a poster named Englot.

the Gabriel addicts there are bumping it out of existence.

currently (1:50 pm, eastern std. time, Feb 22/09 it's on page 5)

go to petergabriel.com
click on forums
stick with "general"
click view threads


search pages for the aforementioned title.

I will do. Thanks :)

[acidjazz]

We give away our energies and strenghts so easily.... no wonder we've been ruled for so long.

music is music it is energy and you can use it in a positive way or a negative way. You people act like purifying water is an impossible task :rolleyes:

[acidjazz]

Before I was a war I was a sword.
Before I was a tree I was a seed.
Before I was a cliff I was a canyon.
Before I was a feast I was a famine.
Before I was a day I was a dawn.
Before I was a prince I was a swan.

Before I was a corpse I was a kid.
Before I was a cloud I was a grid.
Before I was a crush I was a kiss.
Before I was a got I was a wish.

Brace Yourself!

Before I was a word I was a sound.
Before I was a sky I was a ground.
Before I was a stone I was a hill.
Before I was a wheel I was a will.
Before I was a birth I was a kill.
Before I was a wash I was a filth.

[armoured_amazon]

How quaint.

[metacomet]

Haha, objective analysis!

You call Slipknot satanic and you've still not provided any evidence:rolleyes:

What a doofus you are. So intent on rebelling against discussion about the topic... sad.

I never called Slipknot 'satanic' I used a single video of theirs to demonstrate the atmosphere of a concert. So what, kid. And in this very thread you admitted 'maybe' Slipknot had something to do with the Devil... I didn't push that objective at all. Yet you said it yourself.

Stop protecting Slipknot like they are under attack. Your fanatacism... i.e. FANBOY clothes are showing a little too bright.

[guyblokeman]

What a doofus you are. So intent on rebelling against discussion about the topic... sad.

I never called Slipknot 'satanic' I used a single video of theirs to demonstrate the atmosphere of a concert. So what, kid.

Call me what you want, you won't drag me down to your vibrational level;)

I'm not trying to rebel, merely put right your misconceptions.

Maybe you should be more clear with the points you're trying to make, you post a Slipknot video in a thread entitled "satanism in the music industry" for god's sake:rolleyes:

Obviously you've never been to a Slipknot concert (or any metal concert I suspect), the atmosphere is absolutely amazing.


And in this very thread you admitted 'maybe' Slipknot had something to do with the Devil... I didn't push that objective at all. Yet you said it yourself.

Ummmm, no I didn't, if I did please quote me.




Stop protecting Slipknot like they are under attack. Your fanatacism... i.e. FANBOY clothes are showing a little too bright.

It's not fanatacism, I just won't let complete and utter jibberish go unchallenged.

[metacomet]

Call me what you want, you won't drag me down to your vibrational level;)

Whatever you say. Like I said you're the one flailing your arms about demanding that we don't include Slipknot in the discussion. I have no emotional bias on this matter because I'm not a fanboy for any of the bands I look at. Metal fans are notoriously protective of their music, constantly lashing out in self defense as if they're still fighting for some rebellious movement which is 'so misunderstood'. Give it a rest.

I'm not trying to rebel, merely put right your misconceptions.


What misconception? You think I think Slipknot is 'the Devil'. That's great. I already corrected you, friend.

What you're really doing is getting the last word because it's so important that you remain on top in defense of Slipknot...



Obviously you've never been to a Slipknot concert (or any metal concert I suspect), the atmosphere is absolutely amazing.

Every metal concert has an amazing atmosphere. That is not the point of the discussion. The discussion is on the lower vibratory nature of the music itself. I find it ironic that you would tell me to raise my vibrations and remaind completely ignorant of the musical mechanics used to LOWER your own.

You and every other metal fan get a 'rush' off the lower vibratory nature of that music. If you are incapable of admitting the influence of music on your psyche than you are a tool. If you can admit that you get off on lower vibratory music than I have no argument with you.

Is this clear enough or should I keep repeating myself?

[guyblokeman]

What misconception? You think I think Slipknot is 'the Devil'. That's great. I already corrected you, friend.

No, I think you thought, Slipknot had satanic undertones. If you don't that's cool, and no more needs to be said.


Every metal concert has an amazing atmosphere. That is not the point of the discussion. The discussion is on the lower vibratory nature of the music itself. I find it ironic that you would tell me to raise my vibrations and remaind completely ignorant of the musical mechanics used to LOWER your own.

Don't get me wrong, I agree music can be a very powerful tool of manipulation.
I defend Slipknot, and a few others so vehemently because I really think they have alot to offer, many people on this board would find them extremely relevant to many of the things we discuss.




You and every other metal fan get a 'rush' off the lower vibratory nature of that music.

I certainly do:cool:

I'm still unsure how you can come to the conclusion that just because metal is predominantly at the lower end of the frequency spectrum, it is somehow bad for you.

I would have thought lyrical content was a much more influential factor?

[armoured_amazon]

Not much hidden here.

Saints Of Los Angeles - Motley Crue

Tonight, there's gonna be a fight
So if you need a place to go
Got a 2 room slum
A mattress & a gun and the cops don't ever show
So come right in cause everybody sins
Welcome to the scene of the crime
You want it, believe it, you got it if you need it
The devil is s friend of mine

If you think it's crazy
You ain't seen a thing
Just wait until we goin down in flames

(Chorus)
We are, we are, the saints we signed our life away
Doesn't matter what you think
Were gonna do it anyway
We are, we are, the saints one day you will confess
And pray to the saints of Los Angeles

Red line, tripping on a landmine
Sippin at the Troubador
Girls passed out naked in the back lounge
Everybody's gonna score
She's all jacked up
She's down on her luck
You want it
You need it
The devil's gonna feed it

Don't you say it's crazy
You don't know a thing
Just wait until we goin down in flames

(Chorus)
We are, we are, the saints we signed our life away
Doesn't matter what you think
We gonna do it anyway
We are, we are, the saints one day you will confess
And pray to the saints of Los Angeles

Red line tripping on a landmine
Sippin at the Troubador
Girls passed out naked in the back lounge

Give it up give it up
Give it up give it up
Give it up give it up
Give it up give it up
Give it up give it up

(Chorus)
We are, we are, the saints we signed our life away
Doesn't matter what you think
Were gonna do it anyway
We are, we are, the saints one day you will confess
And pray to the saints of Los Angeles

We are, we are, the saints we signed our life away
Doesn't matter what you think
Were gonna do it anyway
We are, we are, the saints one day you will confess
And pray to the saints of Los Angeles

Saints of Los Angeles - Motley Crue - YouTube

[horus13]

oh lord people still talk about slipknot? those guys absolutely sold their souls and churned out pretty horrific imagery to impressionable kids. there are masks, goats and pentagrams etc. what more proof do you need? they should hang their heads in shame. i believe the music they really wanted to do was with that stonesour thing which is just as bad. still, as long as they did their master's bidding they'd have got their nice cars and houses etc. also, the energy produced at concerts of this kind won't be used for any good.

the stonesour song 'through glass' is about mind control and alters. don't believe it's about anything else.

[itsallinus]

When I was a teenager I was into bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Anthrax and Motorhead. Over the years I became more and more angry and depressed and had a closed mind. I became suicidal at times and had no self esteem. As I started going clubbing my taste in music evolved and as I became more mature it was electronic dance music that took things to a different level. Now, having progressed into music production and djing I am more into intelligent music such as psytrance. It's so much more technically advanced and uses so much more diversity in sounds and instruments and constantly evolves each sound as it progresses.

I call the those teenage years my dark ages. And I took me to some dark places including reading from the necronomicon, the book of the dead. Some scary shit happened that I won't mention. I am glad I found Bob Marley when I did, when I was around 17 I started smoking weed and naturally found his beautiful music, it helped fill the dark inside me with light and I was literally saved by his music, lyrics and his philosophical teachings.

Now, just listen to one rock tune then one Marley tune. I need say no more. Feel those love vibrations and you just know deep down in your heart that rock (not all) and metal stuff can't be good for ya!

[nihil]

^ Good Post :)

[metacomet]

When I was a teenager I was into bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Anthrax and Motorhead. Over the years I became more and more angry and depressed and had a closed mind. I became suicidal at times and had no self esteem. As I started going clubbing my taste in music evolved and as I became more mature it was electronic dance music that took things to a different level. Now, having progressed into music production and djing I am more into intelligent music such as psytrance. It's so much more technically advanced and uses so much more diversity in sounds and instruments and constantly evolves each sound as it progresses.

I call the those teenage years my dark ages. And I took me to some dark places including reading from the necronomicon, the book of the dead. Some scary shit happened that I won't mention. I am glad I found Bob Marley when I did, when I was around 17 I started smoking weed and naturally found his beautiful music, it helped fill the dark inside me with light and I was literally saved by his music, lyrics and his philosophical teachings.

Now, just listen to one rock tune then one Marley tune. I need say no more. Feel those love vibrations and you just know deep down in your heart that rock (not all) and metal stuff can't be good for ya!

Thanks so much for posting that.

I went through a 'dark period' as well with music. The heaviest of the heavy at the time in the U.S. was Korn.

For those unaffiliated : song starts here with bagpipe solo at 10 seconds...

Korn - Shoots and Ladders - YouTube

Korn was no joke. They were awesome. The song above is the best demonstration. Nobody had ever thought to include bagpipes in heavy metal before. But the further you got into their albums, the more sick and depressed and dark you realized the music to be... Johnathan Davis is totally fucked in the head and has some twisted things to explain the meanings behind his songs.

Korn opened the way for bands like Slipknot, basically. New wave metal was born.

I also experienced Bob Marley and that music, while stoned, and it completely changed me!

[marpat]

This is a touchy subject for me, because the deeper I delve, the more I realize that the 'greats' are often occultists with exceptional talent who are intentionally using that talent to manipulate the consciousness of listeners. This is a touchy subject for me because while great music makes me shiver and makes me feel as if my spirit is rising, I can acutely sense that 'modern' music, or modern heavy metal/hard rock/pop music is most DEFINITELY lowering peoples consciousness and dragging down their spirits."

Damn right, Cliff Richards Millenium prayer was just so evil :D

[armoured_amazon]

Have to say, I absolutely dig Korn; Jonathan Davis is very talented and I love the influences in Korn's stuff. The video below is a live studio session - dayum. It clearly has negative influences - everything that is successful in the music industry has been touched by the hand of satan, but it's hard not to like it - didn't God gift satan with the talent of music? I often struggle with enjoying stuff. But I like rock, what can I say? I manage to tune the negativity out, for the most part.

Jonathan Davis - Slept So Long (Sirius radio session) - YouTube

My band of the moment is Killswitch Engage - dayum, I love 'em! They always give me a good vibe and I took a look at their lyrics the other day and they all seem positive.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I just don't listen to music too often, period. I find if I listen a lot (to any popular music) it brings me down. When I feel that occurring, I go put some tribal percussion on.

Two points about Korn to consider:

Former Korn guitarist Brian "Head" Welch released his debut solo album, Save Me From Myself, last year. It's about his conversion to born-again Christianity.

Bassist Reginald "Fieldy" Arvizu has also turned to Christianity and released an autobiography earlier this year.

Two out of one band, huh? :)

[armoured_amazon]

Now, just listen to one rock tune then one Marley tune. I need say no more. Feel those love vibrations and you just know deep down in your heart that rock (not all) and metal stuff can't be good for ya!

I get more from rock. Marley was a happy soul, he speaks to the happy stoner inside everyone. Sometimes when people are twisted, they/we need to wallow in it with others that have a clue. As much as I love Marley, I don't get the feeling from his music that he's struggled alone in the waves. He was a family man. I can't relate. I don't smoke weed. Marley has been claimed by all the scallies in Liverpool; I can't relate to them, either.

Music best reflects our experiences and personalities back at us. Rock relates to the parts of me that others choose to ignore.

[itsallinus]

Music best reflects our experiences and personalities back at us. Rock relates to the parts of me that others choose to ignore.

I understand what your saying though I would not attribute music directly with the artist or the people who listen to it, but take it for what it is. i was in a dark place for years and that's why I was more attracted to that kind of music, it was eating away at my soul without me realising until the light brought me away from it.

If I had understood then how frequencies effect us on a physical and conscious level I would have identified my 'downward spiral' (Nine Inch Nails we also one of my fav's) was in snychronicity with my choice in music, attitude and self observation. It's good to recognize the darker parts to us but entertaining them through musical reflection will only draw you into a lower vibratory state. Ask yourself why you relate to it more than other music? It won't be anything to do with the music itself or the lyrics, try to look on emotional and spiritual levels of your inner self and it might give you a clearer view of where this music will take you. Nothing is simply about taste, there is always more behind (within) our choices.

[nihil]

hey itsall - I did almost the same path !!

Om namah Shivaya .

[venusinpisces]

I get more from rock. Marley was a happy soul, he speaks to the happy stoner inside everyone. Sometimes when people are twisted, they/we need to wallow in it with others that have a clue. As much as I love Marley, I don't get the feeling from his music that he's struggled alone in the waves. He was a family man. I can't relate. I don't smoke weed. Marley has been claimed by all the scallies in Liverpool; I can't relate to them, either.

Music best reflects our experiences and personalities back at us. Rock relates to the parts of me that others choose to ignore.
I am so with you on that! My life has not been peaceful, I have a ton of aries in my profile, and therefore peaceful music just does not work for me a lot of the time of the time. I like to listen to agressive music to get me going in the morning, because I ride my bike about 15 miles a day and need to have that energy for motivation. I do think that there is a problem with this type of music being the predominant choice for young people, because obviously there is the potential for it to pull in destructive energies. And some of the artists are occultists, so you have to wonder about that. It feels like all the beauty has been sucked out of modern culture, for the most part.:( So it is nice to put on something soothing like Jeff Buckley every now and then. But ultimately, it is up to each of us how we choose to be influenced by pop culture, and a judas priest fan does not necessarily equal a school shooter in the vast majority of cases. ;)
By the way, Deicide or Cannibal Corpse are hardly representative of the genre as a whole, since I've heard a lot of death metal people talk about how moronic those bands are, particularly when it comes to their lyrics. But despite any lyrical shortcomings, when you examine old school death metal music in terms of technical abilities, and the intricate structures that result, these bands stand hands above all this nu metal crap that came out in the nineties. No offense to those who like Korn, that's just my opinion. :)
Not to mention a lot of metal bands are very politically aware and have progressive politics. Here are two very obvious examples of that:
Black Sabbath-War Pigs - YouTube
Metallica-one lyrics - YouTube

[xx_black_sage_xx]

Yes. Excellent post. I also think they want your mind. That's the whole agenda. They want you addicted to earthly desires, and also to keep you in a state of low vibration of fear and hate. I think their esoteric agenda is to get us to 'cling' to this reality we're in now.

I grew up listening to rap/hip hop. Mostly dirty south stuff. Low bass drums, fast high hats. Everybody likes it, and now...everybody...like..wants to be gangster, be hard. The money, the cars, the clothes. I actually got sucked into it myself. Listening to a whole bunch of rap...my thoughts changed...i wanted to sell drugs, get high, have the money cars clothes and girls, and I ended up doing it, selling drugs and getting high and stuff. I don't know what's after death, but maybe the Illuminati do know, and they have it figured out.


If I had understood then how frequencies effect us on a physical and conscious level I would have identified my 'downward spiral' (Nine Inch Nails we also one of my fav's) was in snychronicity with my choice in music, attitude and self observation. It's good to recognize the darker parts to us but entertaining them through musical reflection will only draw you into a lower vibratory state. Ask yourself why you relate to it more than other music? It won't be anything to do with the music itself or the lyrics, try to look on emotional and spiritual levels of your inner self and it might give you a clearer view of where this music will take you. Nothing is simply about taste, there is always more behind (within) our choices.

EXACTLY! I smoke weed, and I can control my thoughts way more than I could once i got into spirituality. I can listen to whatever music I want, and no be sucked into it. We have to think for ourselves and stop letting them think for us. Why do you think people are depressed and sad, and are drug addicts..it's because of their own thoughts. Most people can't control their thoughts.

[itsallinus]

I am just gonna link this thread as it seems to be relevant:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26839

[itsallinus]

Also this one:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20512

[hissil]

3 bands and 1 album I recommend as being spiritually transcending:

Euphorica - Psytrance
Look up some songs on acidplanet. Philosopher stone was made while he was tripping on shrooms.

Njiqahdda - I would call it Psychedelic Ambient Atmospheric Black Metal.
Lyrical theme(s)
Meditation, Nature, Transcendence
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=109826

Tool - Watch some of their videos I think they go against the Music Industry

Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
This is perhaps the best black metal album ever and the only good one by Emperor. Here is just lyrics to one of the songs:

The heavens are lit by the stars
where years of secrets of universal forces lay hid
They shine so bright, but yet they have seen more evil than time itself
Reflected in the deepless lakes they are drowning in black elements
They are the planetary keys to unlimited wisdom and
power for the Emperor to obtain
They being the gods of the wolves whom upon they bark at night
requesting their next victim in thirst of blood I enjoy those moments I may haunt with these beasts of the nigh
What kinds of beings are existing at the deeps of my lakes?
They surely must be of an evil race
for no friendly thing can live in such depressive waters
Here is also a planet similar to the moon
but it's phases is only one and it is in it's most powerful for all and ever...
There passes no light without the barking of the wolves
All these landscapes are timeless
and this is all just a part of cosmos
but all is mine and past and future is yet to discover...
Much have been discovered, but tomorrow I will realize I existed before myself
I will be reborn before I die
I will realize planets ages old, created
by a rules with a crown of dragon claws
arrived with a stargate...

[peterbamu2003]

That could be the explanation to Lil Wayne

[energi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo_wWn_1TRY

This music is like a bad acid trip. Enter at your own risk.

Imagine hours and hours of this shit music - you'd be amazed how many kids base their life on that. Get up, eat, get stoned - listen to hours of sick music in a dark room while you surf the net and look at God knows what. It's happening right now - in the millions - it's like an entity if you think about it. The whole industry is vibrating at the same level and is a giant entity.


And here's a comment (To Deicide - Fuck your God) that exemplifies what you're talking about:

"Makes me wanna get drunk and run in circles and smash everything that gets in my way.

\Keep it Metal/ "

Reminds me of an episode of The Simpsons when all the males on Homers side are stupid and competes in some game where they run into eachothers heads while wearing pans as helmets (couldn't find a picture of it :().

[supertzar]

Who gets off on hating religion? Seriously. Who hates and wants to destroy spirituality in any form and image?


I don't know. I can see where people like this are coming from. Not that it is my outlook, but I understand somewhat the sentiments. "Christianity" has delivered quite a bit of murder, mayhem and destructive control to the world for a long time, all with a veneer of false morality. What would the world be like if they hadn't destroyed all those beautiful people and their ancient knowledge back in the witch burning days or the decimated cultures of the New World?

The heaviest of the heavy at the time in the U.S. was Korn.


Bleh. Korn sucks. No wonder you think heavy metal is total crap if that is what you liked. Granted, I don't know what metal is good from that time. I had already progressed to grunge and beyond by the time Korn formed in '93.

[metacomet]

"Christianity" has delivered quite a bit of murder, mayhem and destructive control to the world for a long time, all with a veneer of false morality.

You're thinking Catholicism, not Christianity. At the time of Christs death, the act of murder - which could include warfare, was sin against the Ten Commandments.

Catholicism deified Christ and took his name to war, which is blasphemic, but true - and now people blame Christ and the idea of Christianity for all the worlds suffering and wars.

A total shame. But probably best left for a different thread.

What would the world be like if they hadn't destroyed all those beautiful people and their ancient knowledge back in the witch burning days or the decimated cultures of the New World?

Anyone who lives in fear and retribution against the magic or secret or mysterious part of life can be considered possessed by this reality - this includes all people in all religions, not just Christianity.

Many non-church going people recognize that there are other realities at play and wouldn't allow things like Ouija boards in their home, etc.

Without having to recite bible scripture, many people know by instinct that it is a bad thing to play with lower dimensional vibrations or to invite mischievous spirits into our lives. But alot of our entertainment including music is founded on the lower vibrational emotion triggering. It's an entity at work with the human mind.


Bleh. Korn sucks.
No wonder you think heavy metal is total crap if that is what you liked.

Yeah, I liked it, so did about 50 million in my generation, where were you? That was the beginning of the heavy craze in the late 90's, before then it was all grunge and glam hair metal.


Granted, I don't know what metal is good from that time. I had already progressed to grunge and beyond by the time Korn formed in '93.

ROFL! 'progressed' to grunge? That's called regression.

Start at the shallow end of rock and go into the deep end, not the other way around. The deepest and heaviest vibes and most intense lyrics, the most frequent and open use of demonic visualization tactics, I went all the way to the deep end and realized it was just a wasteland of despair, poisonous to the psyche of the listener.

[supertzar]

You're thinking Catholicism, not Christianity....


Yeah, I liked it, so did about 50 million in my generation, where were you? That was the beginning of the heavy craze in the late 90's, before then it was all grunge and glam hair metal....






Like there is nothing wrong with the Protestant version of Christianity? No legitmate beef? All those bible-thumpin', fire and brimstone, sex abusing, self-righteous, hypocritical jerks are cool with you?

I always thought Korn sucked. If you don't know what it was like to be around from about '88 to '91 when there were tons of GREAT bands putting out some of the best rock ever, I can't really explain it. SUBPOP, SST, Amphetamine Reptile and many other labels were putting out stuff that blows away anything from the last 10+ years. The heyday of grunge, which I consider to be around '89-'90, saw bands like Mudhoney, Soundgarden, Melvins, Screaming Trees, Helios Creed, Tad, Nirvana, Steelpole Bathtub and on and on putting out their best material. Why would I listen to crappy music like Korn when I had already experienced one of the greatest rock scenes ever up close and personal in "grungy little clubs" in my own town. I don't know what you think of when you think of Grunge (where is the little trademark symbol?) Pearl Jam? STP? Nevermind era Nirvana? That is the industry version of a very special time in music that happened years earlier.

More to the topic: Slayer pretty much summed up the satanic attitude towards religion with the artwork for Reign in Blood. Notice the religious figure carrying the throne? I listened to it hundreds of times and contemplated the art almost as many and I never let it affect me. I considered it an exercise in philosophy, another perspective to consider.

http://www.pajiba.com/images/slayer.jpg

[marpat]

You're thinking Catholicism, not Christianity. At the time of Christs death, the act of murder - which could include warfare, was sin against the Ten Commandments.

Catholicism deified Christ and took his name to war, which is blasphemic, but true - and now people blame Christ and the idea of Christianity for all the worlds suffering and wars.

A total shame. But probably best left for a different thread.



Anyone who lives in fear and retribution against the magic or secret or mysterious part of life can be considered possessed by this reality - this includes all people in all religions, not just Christianity.

Many non-church going people recognize that there are other realities at play and wouldn't allow things like Ouija boards in their home, etc.

Without having to recite bible scripture, many people know by instinct that it is a bad thing to play with lower dimensional vibrations or to invite mischievous spirits into our lives. But alot of our entertainment including music is founded on the lower vibrational emotion triggering. It's an entity at work with the human mind.



Yeah, I liked it, so did about 50 million in my generation, where were you? That was the beginning of the heavy craze in the late 90's, before then it was all grunge and glam hair metal.



ROFL! 'progressed' to grunge? That's called regression.

Start at the shallow end of rock and go into the deep end, not the other way around. The deepest and heaviest vibes and most intense lyrics, the most frequent and open use of demonic visualization tactics, I went all the way to the deep end and realized it was just a wasteland of despair, poisonous to the psyche of the listener.

True that it is a sin to kill according to the 10 commandments, yet god tells the israelites to kill many people including women and children. So does god really mind killing or is it only bad when it is personal?

[venusinpisces]

Just wanted to post yet another example of a death metal band with humanitarian tendencies. Napalm Death was one of the pioneers of this genre and throughout their career they have organized benefit shows for striking miners, spoken out against apartheid as well as the foreign policies of the Bush administration. Here is the cover of their Scum LP. I have read interviews with the band where they talked about how the imagery was meant to convey how capitalism destroys culture and communities.
http://17.media.tumblr.com/MSGB7em8coefaacgyxU0NsNro1_400.jpg
I am very interested in the subject of mind control in the music industry, however, if one doesn't bother to educate themselves about the nuances of the different subcultures they are criticizing, there is the ever present risk of becoming the stereotypical church lady, responding to any act of rebellion with fear just because God told you to.

If one were to begin researching the prevalence of occultism within the music industry, a good place to begin would be within black metal communities, since there are more self-identified occultists within that subgenre than probably any other. But even there, it is all too easy to make false assumptions since there are many, many black metal musicians who don't get involved in these types of spiritual practices. When I hear stuff like "Korn was the beginning of the heavy craze of the late 90s", I know that someone isn't doing their homework. The early 90s were when black/death metal really blew up, and those particular genres really had very little in common with either grunge or hair metal. Crappy mainstream bands like Korn would never have existed if it wasn't for their underground predecessors. I'm not trying to nitpick, I just wish people would bother to investigate before characterizing vast groups of people as satanists, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth!

[nihil]

Obviously bands as Napalm Death or Brutal Truth are gone.

Mainstream metal scene just deals with the bad side of metal.

[venusinpisces]

Actually, both Napalm Death and Brutal Truth are still performing and releasing albums. :)

[nihil]

Metal to the masses.

[supertzar]

I think music like Britney Spears is the real satanic shit. That shit is insidious.

[armoured_amazon]

Killswitch Engage have a positive message.

[metacomet]

Obviously bands as Napalm Death or Brutal Truth are gone.

Mainstream metal scene just deals with the bad side of metal.

Yyyyup...

and all the yim-yamming about the good ole days of metal doesn't make up for the fact that metal became the most popular at a certain time (late 90s) and music with extreme distortion, lower tuned guitars and screamo vocalists have been popular for the past decade.

It's hard to watch people be so defensive about a musical genre, I understand that not all hard sounding bands are lower in mood but this thread is about mind control music in general, by certain labels it is used in all genres, not just heavy metal music.

All I had to do was mention heavy metal and now the fans have to make their assertion that not all heavy metal music is bad. How can all music be bad if just some are used for an agenda? Obviously that isn't my point and you shouldn't feel the need to warn me about being a church lady about music :rolleyes:. I've listened to the heaviest and darkest stuff for just long enough to see what it's really about. Other people never find another sound to enjoy. They just want heavier and darker forever.

[greydove]

I think music like Britney Spears is the real satanic shit. That shit is insidious.

ITA. People should look at the Mileys and Britneys to see where the real evil is taking shape under cover of smarmy, feel good, pop tunes. That's where they hide a darker message.

Metal bands with death and satanic symbolism are just playing dress up for shock value in my opinion. They are not the ones to worry about.

Plus metal bands only reach a certain niche of people. The Britneys and Mileys get shoved down everyone's throats, like it or not.

[blood money]

watch robbie williams new vid for a satanic message, 'jesus didnt die for you', in the vid he drives a bike that has the numbers 666..............bodies - robbie williams

[supertzar]

All I had to do was mention heavy metal and now the fans have to make their assertion that not all heavy metal music is bad. How can all music be bad if just some are used for an agenda? Obviously that isn't my point and you shouldn't feel the need to warn me about being a church lady about music :rolleyes:. I've listened to the heaviest and darkest stuff for just long enough to see what it's really about. Other people never find another sound to enjoy. They just want heavier and darker forever.

I hope you see that my replies did not go off on a "not all heavy metal is negative" tangent. I, for one, understand that that is not what you are saying. Actually, what I was originally replying to was your question about "why would anyone want to destroy religion/spirituality?" What I was saying is that religion is perverted spirituality and the reaction against it is predictable considering human psychology.

I know someone who for years listened only to Black Metal and still does as far as I know. The thing is he believed in the "spiritual" message of the music to the point of obsession. He was obsessed with Crowley. He got into heroin. I found the music drab, dreary and depressing in its' low energy attack on the human organism. He felt it gave him a blast of energy, but what I observed was that he was constantly drained of all energy. For a teenage male, for anyone he was like a used up battery with barely anything left.

I see it as a choice he made and stuck with. I don't blame the bands. It's crappy music for the most part in my opinion and I dislike what it represents, but it's all in what the listener wants to get out of it. I listened to a fair bit of his music and didn't have any chronic effects from it. I am far more grounded, though, so that probably helps.

What do you think about my statement on music like Britney and Xtina being the real destructive expression of satanic mind control in music? No one is tricked into liking Black Metal, but that Pop stuff is truly insidious.

[azureangel]

The higher the position, the more corrupted by the "tptb". Hmmm. I like a lot of different types of music. I agree that death metal is probably just totally nasty and irredemable as far as setting a good psychic energy. I also agree that high-level pop stars as well as rap and hip-hop stars are all in league with the "baphomet" as some of them call it.
I grew up with the Beatles and Crosby Stills and Nash, Carlos Santana. Never did like that "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" song, though; there was something really wrong about that. :eek:
What I'm pondering is, what about bands like U2? I saw their recent video and its full of references to Illuminati. But their previous album, "All That You Can't Leave Behind" is full of music which is really uplifting, with beautiful sounds and lyrics. I get Kundalini rushes from listening to it. And I saw them play at a huge venue in Honolulu, and the energy there was so positive; the whole crowd just moved together and it felt very loving. Are these bands infusing their music with, say, energy from the Galactic Federation/feel good extradimensionals? Are we being seduced in many different ways?
And for other oldsters, what do you think of Frank Zappa? He was one of a kind! I suppose I should read one of these books about this subject. Any suggestions? Thanks, angel

[Ian2day]

The higher the position, the more corrupted by the "tptb". Hmmm. I like a lot of different types of music. I agree that death metal is probably just totally nasty and irredemable as far as setting a good psychic energy. I also agree that high-level pop stars as well as rap and hip-hop stars are all in league with the "baphomet" as some of them call it.
I grew up with the Beatles and Crosby Stills and Nash, Carlos Santana. Never did like that "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" song, though; there was something really wrong about that. :eek:
What I'm pondering is, what about bands like U2? I saw their recent video and its full of references to Illuminati. But their previous album, "All That You Can't Leave Behind" is full of music which is really uplifting, with beautiful sounds and lyrics. I get Kundalini rushes from listening to it. And I saw them play at a huge venue in Honolulu, and the energy there was so positive; the whole crowd just moved together and it felt very loving. Are these bands infusing their music with, say, energy from the Galactic Federation/feel good extradimensionals? Are we being seduced in many different ways?
And for other oldsters, what do you think of Frank Zappa? He was one of a kind! I suppose I should read one of these books about this subject. Any suggestions? Thanks, angel

I was into Alex Jones way too much. Brainwashed into obsessing on conspiricys so as to write mor on it.

[armoured_amazon]

I think U2 are confused fencesitters. I hate fencesitters. Pick a side.

[rodin]

There is definitely a dark organisation driving the music biz. All media actually.

Just discovering this guys work at decoding popular music - got the link from another thread here somewhere

Some fantastic connections made here I think (about 2/5 of the way thru the series)

http://theindustryexposed.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=itemlist&layout=category&task=category&id=1&Itemid=2

also of course a great read (for the Zappa fan)

The Laurel Canyon

Join me now, if you have the time, as we take a stroll down memory lane to a time nearly four-and-a-half decades ago – a time when America last had uniformed ground troops fighting a sustained and bloody battle to impose, uhmm, ‘democracy’ on a sovereign nation.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

Since the Judaics are running the music biz

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82039

(and everything else)

next thing is to work out if there is anything to them being called 'The Synagogue of Satan' in the Bible...

Lastly very interesting what I linked to about the 432 Middle C. My studio is in mothballs but I hope to reactivate it nearer the end of the year. Not sure I but the sound/DNA stuff, but there are definitely harmonic and discordant frequencies. I plan to investigate this 432 thing see what I can find out

Laters

[rodin]

I think U2 are confused fencesitters. I hate fencesitters. Pick a side.

I am pretty sure Bono is evil

By their acts ye shall know them (and their works, but U2 are a collaborative)

[dankerella]

I think music like Britney Spears is the real satanic shit. That shit is insidious.

Hah, you're totally right. Check out this new song she just released called "3"

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I tried to find the lyrics but they aren't online yet. Here is what I was able to decipher:


"1..2..3..Why don't me, you and me get 180 degrees and I'm caught in between"

"Counting 1..2..3.. Peter, Paul, and Mary three, getting down with 3 pee" (ple?)(nis?)
"everybody loves oohh (sexual moan)...counting"

"Why not pick a night, to come out and play, if it's alright, what do you say?
".......triple found out way, twister on the floor, what do you say?"

"Are you in, living in sin is the new thing, myeah"
"Are you in,.....I...am....counting...1..2..3..."

"Three is a charm, two is not the same, I don't see the harm, so are you game?"
"Let's make a team, make 'em say my name, loving the extreme, now are you game?"

"Are you in, living in sin is the new thing, myeah"
"Are you in,.....I...AM....counting...1..2..3..."

"What we do is innocent, just for fun and nothing meant, if you don't like the company, let's just do it you and me"

"...A three....Or 4....on the floor...counting..1..2..3.."



After listening to the song over and over, it is highly hypnotizing. I can totally see this being a huge hit in the clubs. And I have heard a lot of double meaning to the way the words are sung... I wonder what you can hear backwards...

[amethyst]

I think U2 are confused fencesitters. I hate fencesitters. Pick a side.

I agree AA. Bono had a choice early on...but sold out. He can still turn around though.....let's hope.

[Ian2day]

Hah, you're totally right. Check out this new song she just released called "3"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn83Q-3s9UE
I tried to find the lyrics but they aren't online yet. Here is what I was able to decipher:


"1..2..3..Why don't me, you and me get 180 degrees and I'm caught in between"

"Counting 1..2..3.. Peter, Paul, and Mary three, getting down with 3 pee" (ple?)(nis?)
"everybody loves oohh (sexual moan)...counting"

"Why not pick a night, to come out and play, if it's alright, what do you say?
".......triple found out way, twister on the floor, what do you say?"

"Are you in, living in sin is the new thing, myeah"
"Are you in,.....I...am....counting...1..2..3..."

"Three is a charm, two is not the same, I don't see the harm, so are you game?"
"Let's make a team, make 'em say my name, loving the extreme, now are you game?"

"Are you in, living in sin is the new thing, myeah"
"Are you in,.....I...AM....counting...1..2..3..."

"What we do is innocent, just for fun and nothing meant, if you don't like the company, let's just do it you and me"

"...A three....Or 4....on the floor...counting..1..2..3.."



After listening to the song over and over, it is highly hypnotizing. I can totally see this being a huge hit in the clubs. And I have heard a lot of double meaning to the way the words are sung... I wonder what you can hear backwards...

Its someones group sex fantasy. Thats all. Mixed up with certain names as they know, that it makes some freak out. If there are any words used it is because they just happen to rhyme. An exercise in dumbing it down to double the dollar. It is commercial music and people dont have to listen to it. They are free to not turn it on. Kowever with the number of ring tones and car stereos and shops blaring music as ou go past. I would agree that it can be difficult to avoid it. If you dislike it.

[dane]

whether slipknot are satanists or not, doesnt change the fact that they know whats coming and they write cyptic bullshit about it for money.& that if you want to be as famous as them you have to be asked to take a pledge. when famous people are asked to accept the title of SIR, it means they are serving and acknowledge by the queen and the british empire, who are all wicked pagan bloodlines descended from our ancient times. look at why john lennon rejected the queens "Sir" knighthood, because he doesnt want to serve satan on earth.so they shot him. do some study on the MBE title, bono got it, all the people that are offered a career reaching the billions of dollars, are SIRS!!! you cant be as famous as slipknot without shutting the fuck up and doing what your told, i saw a mudvayne tour video and one of the dudes from the band was like "dont be a rockstar it isnt what you think kids". THE CHURCH OF SATAN CONTROLS A BIG PART OF HOLLYWOOD. Anton LaVey who runs the church of satan and wrote the satanic bible in "holy"wood, was the man responsible for picking norma jean out of a strip club and & placing her onto the big screen, with her appointed new occultic name, marylin monroe.
One of the top songs of the 70's was "Hotel California" by the Eagles. Most people have no idea the song refers to the Church of Satan, which happens to be located in a converted HOTEL on CALIFORNIA street! On the inside of the album cover, looking down on the festivities, is Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible! People say, the Eagles aren't serious, they're just selling records. That's what you think! The Eagles manager, Larry Salter, admitted in the Waco Tribune-Herald, (Feb. 28, 1982) that the Eagles were involved with the Church of Satan! Not surprisingly, one of the Eagle's songs is titled "Have A Good Day in Hell."

The song "Sympathy for the Devil" by the Rolling Stones, is the official anthem for the Church of Satan. In it, Lucifer speaks in the first person and asks sympathy for all who meet him. Lead singer, Mick Jagger claims that Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible, help inspire their music! Their ALBUM, titled, "Their Satanic Majesties Request", leaves no doubt to their allegiance!

True allegiances were once obvious, church of satan helped BUILD the music industry,to where its at today, but now it so cryptic you got kids going "NO, NO, THESE NEGATIVE BANDS ARE TRYNA TELL US SOMETHING"..yeh well the way they go about it the world will have gone to hell before they TELL US SOMETHING WE DONT FUCKING KNOW.

CALL ME IGNORANT BUT I SHOVE MARYLIN MANSON INTO THE SAME FUCKING CATEGORIE AS SLIPKNOT..NOW READ THIS;

"I don’t know if anyone has really understood what we’re trying to do. This isn’t just about shock value . . . that’s just there to lure the people in. Once we’ve got ‘em we can give ‘em our MESSAGE." MARYLIN MANSON (Hit Parader, Oct. 1996, p.28)

"HOLY"WOOD AND ITS CONNECTIONS TO THE CHURCH OF SATAN IS LIKE POW! ONE AND THE SAME GOD DAMN THING !! LOOK FOR YOURSELF

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/cos.htm

disreguard the jesus shit, and read on about the facts compiled, which are found all over the net corroborating the picture painted.

[dane]

My mom used to tell me when I was a kid, ‘If you curse at night time, the devil’s going to come to you when you’re sleeping.’ I used to get excited because I really wanted it to happen . . . I wanted it. I wanted it more than anything . . .(Rolling Stone, January, 23, 1997 p.52)


thats your trauma based mind controlled slave right there, lured into loving evil spirits since childhood.THATS ONE ARTIST OF THOUSANDS saying yes to satan.

my theory is that when you look at HOLLYWOOD.
you looking at the product of the Rothschild SPERM BANK.

[venusinpisces]

tangents from Pagan Altar's Mythical and Magical album: lml lml :rolleyes:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
and here's some Pentagram for good measure. highly recommended for housecleaning sprees:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[metacomet]

Excellent post dane, glad to have you in the thread. Yes it's very important that people learn to look beyond the preaching from these sites and consider the information...


Rolling Stones is so wildly popular even today that more than a few Christians listen to it and demand that it's innocent.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain

I rode a tank
in the general's rank
When the Blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
(woo woo, woo woo)

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
(woo woo, woo woo)

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me
(who who, who who)

Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
(woo woo, who who)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
(who who)
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
(who who, who who)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
(woo woo, who who)

Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint
(who who, who who)

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, have some taste
(woo woo)
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, mmm yeah
(woo woo, woo woo)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, mmm yeah
(who who)
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, mmm mean it, get down
(woo woo, woo woo)

Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
(woo woo)

Tell me baby, what's my name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what's my name
I tell you one time, you're to blame

Oh, who
woo, woo
Woo, who
Woo, woo
Woo, who, who
Woo, who, who
Oh, yeah

What's my name
Tell me, baby, what's my name
Tell me, sweetie, what's my name

Woo, who, who
Woo, who, who
Woo, who, who
Woo, who, who
Woo, who, who
Woo, who, who
Oh, yeah
Woo woo
Woo woo

[ninjasaan]

Wow I'm finding this thread fascinating. I'm a music lover/musician, and after the things I've learned about the world lately this is all making sense now. I played in rock bands years ago, but just gave it up because it didn't feel right with me. I wanted to make positive, uplifting music, which is what I do now.
I read an article recently on some Aussie death metal band (can't remember or care about the name) talking about the "good old days". Band members and fans alike slashing themselves and other people, fighting, blood.... it just sends people wild. Shithouse.
Then there's the blatant sexual programming of pop music. Working at a school, I see it's effects in action. Little kids thrusting and being sexy like beyonce or whatever. It's just not right. Then the parents can pay for their kids to go to classes that teach them how to do it properly. "Wow I'm so proud of my little tart!" Plus, as said earlier, there's the shallow and often depressing lyrics telling them life is shit.
I have wondered for a long time why the commercial music industry is in such a state: now it's all clear. Once again it's those bastard greedy satanic jokers!!!

[metacomet]

I played in rock bands years ago, but just gave it up because it didn't feel right with me. I wanted to make positive, uplifting music, which is what I do now.

Same, I am guilty of going the solo and acoustic route because jamming well with people in rock bands is hard unless they are very talented. And no offense to the genre or people who like it, it's just there are alot of people playing heavy music that ... aren't good at it. They're just obsessed with it and think it's cool, it owns their personality.

I read an article recently on some Aussie death metal band (can't remember or care about the name) talking about the "good old days". Band members and fans alike slashing themselves and other people, fighting, blood.... it just sends people wild. Shithouse.

Moshing is so lame. I understand that it's fun for guys who can't find a genuine outlet for their aggression but if you put me in a group of douchebags and one of them pops me in the chin, I'm taking out the whole floor. It's just an invitation for bad vibes and fighting!

Then there's the blatant sexual programming of pop music. Working at a school, I see it's effects in action. Little kids thrusting and being sexy like beyonce or whatever. It's just not right.
Then the parents can pay for their kids to go to classes that teach them how to do it properly. "Wow I'm so proud of my little tart!"

ROFL! It really isn't right, but so true, and funny.


Plus, as said earlier, there's the shallow and often depressing lyrics telling them life is shit.


Even the happiest sounding music is about being blanch and miserable...

[jo_6]

It is clear from the following song lyrics (and in lieu of the Satanic goat's head on the album cover), that Mick Jagger (lead singer of the Rolling Stones) is praising Satan in this song, "Dancin' with Mr. D."...

(Mick Jagger/Keith Richards)

Down in the graveyard where we have our tryst
The air smells sweet, the air smells sick
He never smiles, his mouth merely twists
The breath in my lungs feels clinging and thick
But I know his name, he's called Mr.. d.
And one of these days he's gonna set you free
Human skulls is hangin' right 'round his neck
The palms of my hands is clammy and wet

Lord, I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', Lord, keep your hand off me
Dancin' with Mr. D., with Mr. D., with Mr. D.

Will it be poison put in my glass
Will it be slow or will it be fast?
The bite of a snake, the sting of a spider
A drink of belladonna on a Toussaint night
Hiding in a corner in New York city
Lookin' down a forty-four in West Virginia

I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', Lord, keep your hand off me
Dancin' with Mr. D., with Mr. D., with Mr. D.

One night I was dancin' with a lady in black
Wearin' black silk gloves and a black silk hat
She looked at me longin' with black velvet eyes
She gazed at me strange all cunning and wise
Then I saw the flesh just fall off her bones
The eyes in her skull was burning like coals
Lord, have mercy, fire and brimstone
I was dancin' with Mrs. D.

Lord, I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free

Dancin', dancin'




“We receive our songs by inspiration, like at a séance” (Keith Richards of the ROLLING STONES, Rolling Stone, May 5, 1977, p. 55).

[jo_6]

Aleister Crowley

Aleister Crowley was without any doubt, one of the most notorious Satanists of his time. Crowley has had a great influence on rock & roll. The International Times voted Crowley “the unsung hero of the hippies.” One man who helped popularized Crowley’s work among rockers is avant-garde film artist Kenneth Anger. He claimed that his films were inspired by Crowley’s philosophy and called them “visual incantations” and “moving spells.” Anger considered Crowley a unique genius. Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones and Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin both scored soundtracks for Anger’s films about Crowley. Jimmy Page also lived in Crowleys old house. Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin boldly propagated the teachings of Black Magician Aleister Crowley and of the satanic, magical cult he founded, the “Argenteum Astrum”

Crowley was a sexual deviate, pedophile, drug-addict, Satanist, and hater of God...

"That religion they call Christianity; the devil they honor they call God. I accept these definitions, as a poet must do, if he is to be at all intelligible to his age, and it is their God and their religion that I HATE and will DESTROY." (Aleister Crowley, The World's Tragedy, p. XXXI)

"I simply went over to Satan’s side; and to this hour I cannot tell why. But I found myself passionately eager to serve my new master. . . I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff." (Aleister Crowley, The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, p. 67)

"For the highest spiritual working one must according choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force [ed. such as a child]. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. . . But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious: and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best". (Aleister Crowley, Magick: Liber ABA, book four, parts I-IV, part Three-Magick in Theory and Practice, 1994 Ordo Templi Orientis edition, pp. 207, 208)

And the Beatles honor Aleister Crowley by including his face on their Sgt. Pepper's album

THE ROCK-N-ROLL MUSIC OF JIMMY PAGE/LED ZEPPELIN: A WORSHIP OF LUCIFER IN THE FORM OF THE GREEK GOD, PAN
http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1957.cfm

[jo_6]

David Bowie in Rolling Stone magazine (Feb. 12, 1976), stunned the music world, when he stated:
"Rock has always been THE DEVIL'S MUSIC . . . I believe rock and roll is dangerous . . . I feel we're only heralding SOMETHING EVEN DARKER THAN OURSELVES." (Rolling Stone, Feb. 12, 1976)

One of the top songs of the 70's was "Hotel California" by the Eagles. Most people have no idea the song refers to the Church of Satan, which happens to be located in a converted HOTEL on CALIFORNIA street! On the inside of the album cover, looking down on the festivities, is Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible! People say, the Eagles aren't serious, they're just selling records. That's what you think! The Eagles manager, Larry Salter, admitted in the Waco Tribune-Herald, (Feb. 28, 1982) that the Eagles were involved with the Church of Satan! Not surprisingly, one of the Eagle's songs is titled "Have A Good Day in Hell."

MarilynManson, an ordained "reverend" in the Church of Satan, mutilates himself on stage (1 Kings 18:28), rips-up the Holy Bible, and spews "blasphemies" against Jesus Christ. Manson's T-Shirts declare,

"KILL YOUR PARENTS" and "I LOVE SATAN"

[metacomet]

Nice work, jo_6.

In this thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058561865&postcount=22), we have some discussion of the Stones involvement in the 'Hells Angel' murder at one of their performances...

the theory that the murder was actually a ritual sacrifice is chilling, considering Mick's behavior and that the band continued to play their music and even finished their song 'Sympathy For The Devil' after a man was murdered in their audience.

[supertzar]

Jimi Hendrix satanic? Tell me more. I don't think it's blasphemous. It's just stupid. "Simulated masturbation with his guitar" - Oh nooooooo!

[hannah50]

And for other oldsters, what do you think of Frank Zappa? He was one of a kind!

Hi, 'oldster' here!

I've been a fan of Franks for many years. His message seems strong re plastic people, 'record company pricks', dirty politicians, organized religion and such. I've enjoyed his music and have much of it. My ex was a Zappa FANATIC.

Dave McGowan though, painted a different picture of him in his Laurel Canyon articles. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

Second set (table layout) down. "Inside the LC". I've read all of them and am awaiting the update. He's an excellent writer and gives you much to think about and a good laugh at the same time. Dave however has been sidetracked recenlty by the Apollo Moon landing. He promises to get back to the LC works.

Someone mentioned John Todd earlier in the thread but I didn't see a link. Here's a link to what I read a year or so back. This is where he talks about the master cuts being 'blessed' or whatever term he used.

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm

If I recall correctly he's dead now, or believed to be dead.

[balao]

Jimi Hendrix satanic? Tell me more. I don't think it's blasphemous. It's just stupid. "Simulated masturbation with his guitar" - Oh nooooooo!

Jimi Hendrix beated his girlfriend.

I've attended a conference given by an American man who knows a lot about Jimi and makes a living at talking about Jimi. And there was that question about if Jimi beated his women or not.

And the specialist said "Yes, he did."

[hannah50]

Jimi Hendrix beated his girlfriend.

I've attended a conference given by an American man who knows a lot about Jimi and makes a living at talking about Jimi. And there was that question about if Jimi beated his women or not.

And the specialist said "Yes, he did."

From the things I've read, Jimi was very controlled by his manager. Didn't want to take drugs, etc. Does this person you've seen speak have a web page or a blog we can look at?

[supertzar]

Jimi Hendrix beated his girlfriend.

I've attended a conference given by an American man who knows a lot about Jimi and makes a living at talking about Jimi. And there was that question about if Jimi beated his women or not.

And the specialist said "Yes, he did."

He had some issues, but that hardly makes him satanic. I'm pretty sure he did a lot more lovin' than beatin'.

[balao]

From the things I've read, Jimi was very controlled by his manager. Didn't want to take drugs, etc. Does this person you've seen speak have a web page or a blog we can look at?

I don't know his name. I know he's a white man from California, he may be 60 or 70. He's the biggest specialist in Jimi Hendrix ever. He has written very big books about Jimi.

Eric Burdon, who sang in The Animals, talked about Jimi Hendrix's violent behaviour. He said he saw Jimi kicking a girl on the floor.

Once, Jimi thought his girl was phoning to her lover. So he took the telephone from her hand and beated her with it. Lennon and McCartney were around and they told him to stop and they pulled him away.

I read all that in "Rock and Roll Babylon" by Gary Herman.

[macneil]

This fits here too...

what do you make of this guy?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9yRHVTscPei3hM:http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z130/tiffanixiola/Alain_Al_Jourgensen-12754.jpg http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:JsSM3MjCxeSmPM:http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/m/Ministry/sq_al_release_party_040422.jpg http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:TjOL4i4EK9LBBM:http://static.last.fm/proposedimages/original/6/728/206175.jpg http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:GwQQ46MA-XZQkM:http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6796/200709ministrydn3.gif

Caduceus, horns, dead animal... the works,


A prejudice is a prejudgement: i.e. a preconceived belief, opinion, or judgment made without ascertaining the facts of a case.

This guy deserves an entire thread dedicated to him... he tackled one of his security guards on stage for man handling the audience. He wakes up and picks out his favourite baphomet T-Shirt too.

Nearly every single song he done is now being written about in this forum 20 years later. I wonder how many people on this forum were walking about singing Born In The USA back then...

Al Jourgensen of Ministry:

Political views
Jourgensen frequently offered scathing criticism of the Bush family. Beginning with Ministry's 1992 album Psalm 69, continuing with the 2004 album Houses of the Molé, 2006's Rio Grande Blood, and 2007's The Last Sucker. His favorite targets have been former U.S. Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. Ministry also contributed a song to the first Rock Against Bush album. The theme continues on Ministry's 2007 offering and in Jourgensen's various side projects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwOCu1phcNQ

Gentlemen we have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government
Do you still think that jet fuel brought down the World Trade Center?
[Laughter]
Does anybody else see a problem here?
If the government has nothing to hide why are they so afraid to answer a few questions?
This story does not add up

[Verse 1]
I'm on a mission to never forget
3,000 people that I've never met
We want some answers and all that we get
Some kind of shit about a terrorist threat
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies [x3]
Surprise surprise

Lies Lies

[Verse 2]
I'm on a mission to dig up the truth
You think we're stupid and there's no proof
Well let me tell you that the time has come
To pull the trigger on the smoking gun
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies [x3]
Surprise surprise

Lies Lies Lies Lies

[Chorus]
Don't listen to me listen to your head
Don't listen
Don't listen to anything, they've said
Don't listen

Lies Lies Lies Lies

America has been hijacked
Not by Al Qaeda, not by Bin Laden
But by a group of tyrants
That should be of great concern to all Americans

[Verse 3]
I'm on a mission to bring out the facts
You got your stories but they all have cracks
Misinformation, lies and deceit
What made you think that we were all asleep
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies [x3]
Surprise surprise

Lies Lies Lies Lies

[Chorus]
Don't listen to me listen to your head
Don't listen
Don't listen to anything, they've said
Don't listen

Lies Lies Lies Lies

[Outro Chorus:]
Don't listen to me listen to your head
Lies Lies Lies Lies

[jo_6]

In this thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058561865&postcount=22), we have some discussion of the Stones involvement in the 'Hells Angel' murder at one of their performances...

the theory that the murder was actually a ritual sacrifice is chilling, considering Mick's behavior and that the band continued to play their music and even finished their song 'Sympathy For The Devil' after a man was murdered in their audience.

Oh my God! I have just watched this video 'Sym­pa­thy For The Dev­il -​ Al­ta­mont 1969' :eek:
Object moved

I think it probably IS a satanic ritual. The bit at 7:01 where I belive that the guy is stabbed ( sacrificed), It all goes wrong and the tripping people in the audience are looking at Jagger and shaking their heads, like NOOOO! Like STOP IT! IT IS WRONG TO CARRY ON! And Jagger ( or whoever/whatever it is operating through him at the time, and he does seem possessed and wild) just GOES FOR IT! Goes mental! It is WRONG. He is a man possessed I would say is satan/lucifer/demon/dodgy reptilian alien possessed.
It was a sacrifice at the Altar. The entity FEEDS from it... He goes mad for it and is boosted by it!

And I think this is referring to Altamont( which was surrounded by fires):
American Pie by Don McLean
Verse 5

'Oh, and there we were, all in one place
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on, Jack, be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick
'Cause fire is the devils only friend
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in Hell
Could break that Satan's spell
And as flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died
He was singing..'

[metacomet]

Oh my God! I have just watched this video 'Sym­pa­thy For The Dev­il -​ Al­ta­mont 1969' :eek:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=27043076

I think it probably IS a satanic ritual. The bit at 7:01 where I belive that the guy is stabbed ( sacrificed), It all goes wrong and the tripping people in the audience are looking at Jagger and shaking their heads, like NOOOO! Like STOP IT! IT IS WRONG TO CARRY ON! And Jagger ( or whoever/whatever it is operating through him at the time, and he does seem possessed and wild) just GOES FOR IT! Goes mental! It is WRONG. He is a man possessed I would say is satan/lucifer/demon/dodgy reptilian alien possessed.
It was a sacrifice at the Altar. The entity FEEDS from it... He goes mad for it and is boosted by it!


Well, it sounds to me like you see it the way it is...

You will notice though that people have a denial mechanism which keeps them from seeing certain events for what they are.

Some would say Mick was just trying to calm the crowd down, and wanted to get them back in the mood with a good performance. Some would claim he didn't even know there was a stabbing / gun handling taking place.

Those people aren't able to decipher possession and wrong behavior vs authentic strangeness.

Why do we think GW sat still for an eternity after being told the country was under attack? Why do we think certain musicians do and say insane things, like carry on when an audience is obviously distressed and saw something terrible.

They are all possessed by the same force which puppeteers our reality. It causes people to act strangely, and the normal person in denial, fails to see this.

[simmo]

I would like to say something here. I agree that the big rock acts of decades past probably were puppets of a sinister agenda. However I have come here to defend a genre of music that I enjoy very much yet seems to be the most controversial and misunderstood, this is Death Metal.

I believe it is only the most popular bands that gain the attention of TPTB for use in their various agendas. Most if not all death metal bands, and most metal bands in general, fall very much under the radar. It was said in the OP that the lyrics of these rock/metal songs were satanic and depressing etc. However in death metal, the lyrics are the least important contribution to a song. Death metal musicians are certainly some of the most skilled, talented and creative musicians you can find. Death metal and most forms of metal are great examples of what you can do with your instrument when you are very very good at playing it. The lyrics, whilst dealing with gory and morbid topics almost all of the time, are far and away the least important aspect.

I love Metal, I absolutely love it. I love all music, but absolutely NOTHING gets me going like an awesome, thick, distorted guitar riff chugging away to a drum beat. I cannot describe the enjoyment I get from hearing such things. The vocals and lyrics, I couldn't care less about. I don't dislike them, but in death metal they just don't matter much to me. I write and record my own music, and I do a lot of death metal and other types of metal such as doom and black metal also.

When I read things about metal music being satanic and a tool of the illuminati etc, I get very confused and maybe a little frustrated and upset. I'm a good person, I believe in God, I'm very spiritual, compassionate, empathic and honest. I love my cats, I love my mum and dad and I love my girlfriend. I'm a very happy and positive person who loves music. I work in Ecological Restorations and I'm certainly not a satanist!

[ellis_deatrip]

I'm with Simmo.
I love Death Metal(and music in general), I'm not obsessed with one genre of anything . Death Metal ,or Black,Doom,Speed metal whatever.(genres were just made up bullshit from a fat marketing exec. to make his job easier)
Most of it is not "satanic" . Alot of the Scandinavian and Eastern European metal bands are more into Nordic Paganism. I guess some people call that "devil worship", but their songs never mention the Devil, Satan, or even Lucifer. Some don't even mention Christ or Anti-Christ.Why? Cause they don't believe in Religion. the devil,satan,and lucifer are products of Christianity. Which is rooted in Babylonian Paganism anyway....;)

"It's NOT my job to babysit your kids..."- Glen Benton, Deicide

[armoured_amazon]

I would like to say something here. I agree that the big rock acts of decades past probably were puppets of a sinister agenda. However I have come here to defend a genre of music that I enjoy very much yet seems to be the most controversial and misunderstood, this is Death Metal.

I believe it is only the most popular bands that gain the attention of TPTB for use in their various agendas. Most if not all death metal bands, and most metal bands in general, fall very much under the radar. It was said in the OP that the lyrics of these rock/metal songs were satanic and depressing etc. However in death metal, the lyrics are the least important contribution to a song. Death metal musicians are certainly some of the most skilled, talented and creative musicians you can find. Death metal and most forms of metal are great examples of what you can do with your instrument when you are very very good at playing it. The lyrics, whilst dealing with gory and morbid topics almost all of the time, are far and away the least important aspect.

I love Metal, I absolutely love it. I love all music, but absolutely NOTHING gets me going like an awesome, thick, distorted guitar riff chugging away to a drum beat. I cannot describe the enjoyment I get from hearing such things. The vocals and lyrics, I couldn't care less about. I don't dislike them, but in death metal they just don't matter much to me. I write and record my own music, and I do a lot of death metal and other types of metal such as doom and black metal also.

When I read things about metal music being satanic and a tool of the illuminati etc, I get very confused and maybe a little frustrated and upset. I'm a good person, I believe in God, I'm very spiritual, compassionate, empathic and honest. I love my cats, I love my mum and dad and I love my girlfriend. I'm a very happy and positive person who loves music. I work in Ecological Restorations and I'm certainly not a satanist!

I like metal, including death metal. However, I'm very aware of the tonal 'qualities' used to support satan. I don't need to justify what I listen to by saying "It's not eeeeeeeeeviiiiiiillll! Honestly!" Lyrics aren't the only way to spellcast.

[ellis_deatrip]

I like metal, including death metal. However, I'm very aware of the tonal 'qualities' used to support satan. I don't need to justify what I listen to by saying "It's not eeeeeeeeeviiiiiiillll! Honestly!" Lyrics aren't the only way to spellcast.
How about a Deathmetal band that worships Nazi-pope Ratzinger.
'Black-pope Metal' would be the most evil metal ever!:eek:

:rolleyes:Actually, this comes pretty close:
"Romulus", the debut album from EX DEO led by KATAKLYSM frontman Maurizio Iacono.
EX DEO - Romulus - YouTube
If there ever was a period in history that would have been enriched by a heaping dose of death metal, it was ancient Rome. All of the clandestine political maneuvering, gladiatorial pit fits, high profile assassinations, massive battles between rampaging armies, and worship of ancient gods led to a time that was rife with nearly every type of subject matter that can be used as the base for a seriously epic extreme metal release. Kataklysm front man Maurizio Iacono, along with the rest of the Kataklysm members, have taken advantage of the wealth of material presented by the Roman culture and made an entire album centered on their myths and history.

[macneil]

I would like to say something here. I agree that the big rock acts of decades past probably were puppets of a sinister agenda. However I have come here to defend a genre of music that I enjoy very much yet seems to be the most controversial and misunderstood, this is Death Metal.

I believe it is only the most popular bands that gain the attention of TPTB for use in their various agendas. Most if not all death metal bands, and most metal bands in general, fall very much under the radar. It was said in the OP that the lyrics of these rock/metal songs were satanic and depressing etc. However in death metal, the lyrics are the least important contribution to a song. Death metal musicians are certainly some of the most skilled, talented and creative musicians you can find. Death metal and most forms of metal are great examples of what you can do with your instrument when you are very very good at playing it. The lyrics, whilst dealing with gory and morbid topics almost all of the time, are far and away the least important aspect.

I love Metal, I absolutely love it. I love all music, but absolutely NOTHING gets me going like an awesome, thick, distorted guitar riff chugging away to a drum beat. I cannot describe the enjoyment I get from hearing such things. The vocals and lyrics, I couldn't care less about. I don't dislike them, but in death metal they just don't matter much to me. I write and record my own music, and I do a lot of death metal and other types of metal such as doom and black metal also.

When I read things about metal music being satanic and a tool of the illuminati etc, I get very confused and maybe a little frustrated and upset. I'm a good person, I believe in God, I'm very spiritual, compassionate, empathic and honest. I love my cats, I love my mum and dad and I love my girlfriend. I'm a very happy and positive person who loves music. I work in Ecological Restorations and I'm certainly not a satanist!


Well said young man... The OP is going to hell for practising black arts anyway, at least he'll have good music to listen to.

And yes the plants that listened to Death Metal grew best...


Heavy metal 'a comfort for the bright child'

By Nic Fleming, Science Correspondent
Published: 12:01AM GMT 21 Mar 2007

Comments 56 | Comment on this article

Intelligent teenagers often listen to heavy metal music to cope with the pressures associated with being talented, according to research.

The results of a study of more than 1,000 of the brightest five per cent of young people will come as relief to parents whose offspring, usually long-haired, are devotees of Iron Maiden, AC/DC and their musical descendants.

Researchers found that, far from being a sign of delinquency and poor academic ability, many adolescent "metalheads" are extremely bright and often use the music to help them deal with the stresses and strains of being gifted social outsiders.

Stuart Cadwallader, a psychologist at the University of Warwick, will present the findings at the British Psychological Society conference in York today.

He said: "There is a perception of gifted and talented students as being into classical music and spending a lot of time reading. I think that is an inaccurate stereotype. There is literature that links heavy metal to poor academic performance and delinquency but we found a group that contradicts that.

"We are looking at a group with lower than average self-esteem that does not feel quite as well adjusted. They feel more stressed out and turn to heavy metal as a way of relieving that stress.

"Participants said they appreciated the complex and sometimes political themes of heavy metal music more than perhaps the average pop song. It has a tendency to worry adults a bit but I think it is just a cathartic thing. It does not indicate problems."

The researchers surveyed 1,057 members of the National Academy for Gifted and Talented Youth - a body whose 120,000 student members are within the top five per cent academically in the 11-19 age range.

Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres.

The heavy metal fans in the study had lower self-esteem and more difficulties in family relationships and friendships.

Mr Cadwallader then held an online discussion involving 19 members of the academy, 17 of whom were heavy metal fans. They spoke of listening to bands including System of a Down, Slipknot, Tool, Dragon Force, Forward Russia and In Flames when they were in a bad mood and using it to work off frustrations and anger.

One student said: "It helps me with stress. It's the general thrashiness of it. You can't really jump your anger into the floor and listen to your music at the same time with other types of music."

Mr Cadwallader added: "Perhaps gifted people experience more pressure than their peers and use the music to purge this negativity."

Dan Silver, assistant editor of the music magazine NME who has worked for Kerrang! and Metal Hammer, said: "Many themes of heavy metal are about alienation. If you have these kinds of feelings there is a lot you can get out of the music and the community of fans who are into it."

[subl1minal]

Heavy metal saved my life. Without it, I wouldn't be posting on a David Icke forum, that's for damn sure. If anything, it's the aggressive, angry music which has led me to be so mellow and stress free. Because I get out all the tension and stress out through playing heavy music.

It's why every metalhead you usually meet, they're always calm and polite or at least don't bother you. People are always shocked at how nice people from Slipknot or Slayer are and it's because all the angry shit in their music, is where it stays. Once they've let it out in the music, they're chilled.

It's seriously heavy bands like Meshuggah that really got my mind provoked and made me think about this reality we live in. Especially considering how technically amazing Meshuggahs stuff is. To most people it sounds like mess. But the musicianship is not of this world! It makes you wonder sometimes...

Makes me laugh when people go on about Slayer and their 'Satanic' stuff, yet two of the members are Catholic, whilst the other two are Atheists. :rolleyes:

Black Metal and Death Metal aside, I think heavy metal/rock is mainly positive. It may have negative/angry lyrics, but it breaks a lot of conditioning in people when they get into it and actually listen to what's being said.

Metallica, the biggest metal band ever and they've got two albums called And Justice For All.. (about corruption, corporations and money) and Master of Puppets.. the title says it all and so does the album cover. They're a very positive band I think. Especially now, even though one of the guitarists has an interest in the Occult and their biggest selling album (The Black Album) has a snake hidden on the cover from the 'Don't Tread on Me' flag.. that's the only dodgy things I could point out.

But all this mind control/satanism stuff conflicts with the Metal world. Since it's mainly anti-establishment, anti-religion, anti-conformity, anti-rape of the human race. It's why I love it and it's still a driving force in my daily life.

So yeah, I'm just going off on one here, but it's such a touchy one for me. I can understand it for Pop music, but the underground/heavy scene, it doesn't resonate so well. Since TPTB try hard to stamp the heavy stuff out.

[armoured_amazon]

Heavy metal saved my life. Without it, I wouldn't be posting on a David Icke forum, that's for damn sure. If anything, it's the aggressive, angry music which has led me to be so mellow and stress free. Because I get out all the tension and stress out through playing heavy music.

It's why every metalhead you usually meet, they're always calm and polite or at least don't bother you. People are always shocked at how nice people from Slipknot or Slayer are and it's because all the angry shit in their music, is where it stays. Once they've let it out in the music, they're chilled.

It's seriously heavy bands like Meshuggah that really got my mind provoked and made me think about this reality we live in. Especially considering how technically amazing Meshuggahs stuff is. To most people it sounds like mess. But the musicianship is not of this world! It makes you wonder sometimes...

Makes me laugh when people go on about Slayer and their 'Satanic' stuff, yet two of the members are Catholic, whilst the other two are Atheists. :rolleyes:

Black Metal and Death Metal aside, I think heavy metal/rock is mainly positive. It may have negative/angry lyrics, but it breaks a lot of conditioning in people when they get into it and actually listen to what's being said.

Metallica, the biggest metal band ever and they've got two albums called And Justice For All.. (about corruption, corporations and money) and Master of Puppets.. the title says it all and so does the album cover. They're a very positive band I think. Especially now, even though one of the guitarists has an interest in the Occult and their biggest selling album (The Black Album) has a snake hidden on the cover from the 'Don't Tread on Me' flag.. that's the only dodgy things I could point out.

But all this mind control/satanism stuff conflicts with the Metal world. Since it's mainly anti-establishment, anti-religion, anti-conformity, anti-rape of the human race. It's why I love it and it's still a driving force in my daily life.

So yeah, I'm just going off on one here, but it's such a touchy one for me. I can understand it for Pop music, but the underground/heavy scene, it doesn't resonate so well. Since TPTB try hard to stamp the heavy stuff out.

Try this for an example. My knowing YHWH exists, and seeing the business of Christianity mislead people with their fake version of the Creator. Surely you can understand if tptb use pop and hip hop, that they use rock and metal, too? And yes, I'm a rocker through and through. But I still see how it's used. :o

[subl1minal]

Try this for an example. My knowing YHWH exists, and seeing the business of Christianity mislead people with their fake version of the Creator. Surely you can understand if tptb use pop and hip hop, that they use rock and metal, too? And yes, I'm a rocker through and through. But I still see how it's used. :o

Yeah I can see how it's used totally. But it's a whole different ball game when a lot of metal bands are totally honest with their work and are open about everything they do. No big suits filling in the blanks for them.

I love Slayer, but I know they love their Satan stuff and evil imagery, just to piss everyone off and 'God Hates Us All' etc. but the big labels must love that despite it's controversy, because it brings out the Atheist card in people, just like it did with me. I was an angry Atheist who listened to Slayer non-stop. haha

But what I'm trying to say is, I've only ever gotten a positive reaction from listening to Slipknot, Pantera, Metallica etc. all these heavy and angry bands (Metallica not so angry anymore) I mean a song like 'People = Shit' by Slipknot people would say it's negative, but one, I fuckin' love the music and 2. it's the truth, the people of society today = shit and I'm not going to be one of those people. I want to be a better person and I want to help other people become better people. It takes facing the negative to rise up with the positive!

I guess that's the beauty of music, you can interpret it in whatever way you wish. What makes me sad is a lot of bands don't realize the Symbolism they're using at times.. just like the fact that a lot of us metalheads throw up the horns, not knowing what they really mean.. I still have to stop myself from doing it!

[simmo]

Yeah I just rock a fist these days. lol.

[armoured_amazon]

Yeah I can see how it's used totally. But it's a whole different ball game when a lot of metal bands are totally honest with their work and are open about everything they do. No big suits filling in the blanks for them.

I love Slayer, but I know they love their Satan stuff and evil imagery, just to piss everyone off and 'God Hates Us All' etc. but the big labels must love that despite it's controversy, because it brings out the Atheist card in people, just like it did with me. I was an angry Atheist who listened to Slayer non-stop. haha

But what I'm trying to say is, I've only ever gotten a positive reaction from listening to Slipknot, Pantera, Metallica etc. all these heavy and angry bands (Metallica not so angry anymore) I mean a song like 'People = Shit' by Slipknot people would say it's negative, but one, I fuckin' love the music and 2. it's the truth, the people of society today = shit and I'm not going to be one of those people. I want to be a better person and I want to help other people become better people. It takes facing the negative to rise up with the positive!

I guess that's the beauty of music, you can interpret it in whatever way you wish. What makes me sad is a lot of bands don't realize the Symbolism they're using at times.. just like the fact that a lot of us metalheads throw up the horns, not knowing what they really mean.. I still have to stop myself from doing it!

I've stolen my brother's middle finger a la my avatar instead of horns lol. I was taking the piss, 'cause he always does it, but now I'm stealing it. Up yours, NWO! :D

Metallica's a weird one...I used to love the black album, but when I listen to Sad But True these days, I don't like its energy. Enter Sandman's a floorfiller, though. Pantera were great, but godless. I hope Dimebag made peace with his maker. "Are you talkin' to me?"

Pantera - Walk (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube

Some of the bands I like don't get it. They'll get it when they meet their master, the charlatan. I've posted many times about demons and shapeshifting at the Disturbed gig I went to; we attract what we put out, at the end of the day. So what are they putting out spiritually? Do they know it? After the show they came across as polite, decent gentlemen. Doesn't mean they don't put on a good show, just means I'm careful about 'dressing' before I arrive at the venue. Same with other bands who I've seen or know.

In defence of metal, generally, I find alternative people are much more accepting of one another than pop people. In my experience, anyway. :o

It's more tribal than pop, so I think it appeals to our base instincts; I love wild abandon of rock...I find metal a little more contrived, just because of how the record labels and insurance companies are with their artists, and usually old rockers are more fun on tour than metalheads. Back in the days of Ozzy etc, companies didn't have them tied up in contracts forbidding them to do this and that, and they were crazy. Eighties rock showed me as a kid, I could do anything! Of course, that was a lie, but it gets me through life, ha. Love metal for the riffs, love rock for the melodies. Love Killswitch Engage for both, dunno why they just put out shitty non-growl versions on youtube, though. Good job I have the originals - I was panicking they'd rerelease without the shouting. Love Sevendust too, their singer rocks.

Death metal's not really my cup of tea, but I'd probably enjoy moshing to it at a festival (if I went to a festival, which I wouldn't, because I don't like other people's dirty sweat on me lmao). :D

Duh, forget to mention the most important thing - THE MUSICAL SKILL. Metal/rock etc is closer to the skills of classical players, i.e. real musicians, haha (I'm teasing! Kinda...). I like skilled players. :)

[cole_turkey]

I've posted many times about demons and shapeshifting at the Disturbed gig I went to;

Shapeshifiting at concerts??

[armoured_amazon]

Shapeshifiting at concerts??

Dude, I'm not posting it again! :D

Do a search up top. :)

[actaeons_revenge]

How come no one mentioned the Swedes for coming up with melodic death metal in the 90s?? It's so happy it's great!

Dark Tranquillity -- Punish My Heaven

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKvS6gF12mE

In Flames -- Goliaths Disarm Their Davids

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnoMb8BEHbA

[biblegirl]

http://new.music.yahoo.com/american-idol/news/lady-gaga-angry-about-idol-performance--62001558

Lady Gaga is not happy with Fox. On Wednesday night, "American Idol" aired nearly five minutes of Gaga's pre-taped performance of her latest single "Alejandro," complete with a grand finale that involved Gaga posing under a dripping statue of a burning angel. But apparently that wasn't enough for the star, who took to her official Twitter to complain: "FOX POORLY AMATEURLY edited cut my performance/musical arrangement on idol." Gaga then directed fans to the "real" version on Perez Hilton's blog.

[armoured_amazon]

How come no one mentioned the Swedes for coming up with melodic death metal in the 90s?? It's so happy it's great!

Dark Tranquillity -- Punish My Heaven

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKvS6gF12mE

In Flames -- Goliaths Disarm Their Davids

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnoMb8BEHbA

I thought the Norwegians came up with death metal? Or maybe it's just a Scandinavian thing. :p

[metacomet]

http://new.music.yahoo.com/american-idol/news/lady-gaga-angry-about-idol-performance--62001558

The trend of being dark / twisted or edgy is just going too far...

if every artist starts wearing black and trying to put on grandiose tim burton displays on stage then you have to wonder where they can go from there?

Lady Gaga Tim Burtonizes things for absolutely no reason... I mean her music really doesn't fit the themes of her stage performance. People try to say "she's just an artist and being creative" but a real artist would want to match the stage to the music...

there is definitely intent to give more than just a good performance (Gaga's performance up there sucked by the way:p).

[celtic isis]

Nice thread :) very interesting.

Been looking into this topic myself...

How about these:



http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7132/article1090014029e747d0.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2738/baphomet1.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5558/langmetropolisrobotwith.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/870/beyoncerobot.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6181/gagahead.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5818/rihadev.jpg

[subl1minal]

I've stolen my brother's middle finger a la my avatar instead of horns lol. I was taking the piss, 'cause he always does it, but now I'm stealing it. Up yours, NWO! :D

Metallica's a weird one...I used to love the black album, but when I listen to Sad But True these days, I don't like its energy. Enter Sandman's a floorfiller, though. Pantera were great, but godless. I hope Dimebag made peace with his maker. "Are you talkin' to me?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkFqg5wAuFk

Some of the bands I like don't get it. They'll get it when they meet their master, the charlatan. I've posted many times about demons and shapeshifting at the Disturbed gig I went to; we attract what we put out, at the end of the day. So what are they putting out spiritually? Do they know it? After the show they came across as polite, decent gentlemen. Doesn't mean they don't put on a good show, just means I'm careful about 'dressing' before I arrive at the venue. Same with other bands who I've seen or know.

In defence of metal, generally, I find alternative people are much more accepting of one another than pop people. In my experience, anyway. :o

It's more tribal than pop, so I think it appeals to our base instincts; I love wild abandon of rock...I find metal a little more contrived, just because of how the record labels and insurance companies are with their artists, and usually old rockers are more fun on tour than metalheads. Back in the days of Ozzy etc, companies didn't have them tied up in contracts forbidding them to do this and that, and they were crazy. Eighties rock showed me as a kid, I could do anything! Of course, that was a lie, but it gets me through life, ha. Love metal for the riffs, love rock for the melodies. Love Killswitch Engage for both, dunno why they just put out shitty non-growl versions on youtube, though. Good job I have the originals - I was panicking they'd rerelease without the shouting. Love Sevendust too, their singer rocks.

Death metal's not really my cup of tea, but I'd probably enjoy moshing to it at a festival (if I went to a festival, which I wouldn't, because I don't like other people's dirty sweat on me lmao). :D

Duh, forget to mention the most important thing - THE MUSICAL SKILL. Metal/rock etc is closer to the skills of classical players, i.e. real musicians, haha (I'm teasing! Kinda...). I like skilled players. :)


Sorry AA, took me a while to get back to this! I agree. I reckon Dimebag was an agnostic guy for sure, just look how loving and friendly he was to people, I can imagine he wasn't one of those people who forced his views/belief on everyone, but Phil Anselmo on the other hand. *cough* ;)

The shape-shifting part at the concert I'm gonna have to search right now!! haha

[actaeons_revenge]

I thought the Norwegians came up with death metal? Or maybe it's just a Scandinavian thing. :p

I don't know where exactly death metal came from, but I know the Swedes started playing melodic death metal in the 90s, so it's also referred to as Swedish death metal. The Norwegians are known for satanic black metal. The scene caused quite a stir with numerous church burnings and murdering of homosexuals in the early 90s, so much so that even a book was written about it called Lords of Chaos. One guy blew his brains out with a shotgun. When the rest of the band got to his apartment only to find the messy remains, they cooked and ate part of his brain and made a necklace out of the skull fragments. Nice tribute to their fallen mate, eh? :D

[armoured_amazon]

I don't know where exactly death metal came from, but I know the Swedes started playing melodic death metal in the 90s, so it's also referred to as Swedish death metal. The Norwegians are known for satanic black metal. The scene caused quite a stir with numerous church burnings and murdering of homosexuals in the early 90s, so much so that even a book was written about it called Lords of Chaos. One guy blew his brains out with a shotgun. When the rest of the band got to his apartment only to find the messy remains, they cooked and ate part of his brain and made a necklace out of the skull fragments. Nice tribute to their fallen mate, eh? :D

LOL oh yeah I remember reading about that. Freakin' dickheads. :D

[nofuture]

I don't know where exactly death metal came from, but I know the Swedes started playing melodic death metal in the 90s, so it's also referred to as Swedish death metal. The Norwegians are known for satanic black metal. The scene caused quite a stir with numerous church burnings and murdering of homosexuals in the early 90s, so much so that even a book was written about it called Lords of Chaos. One guy blew his brains out with a shotgun. When the rest of the band got to his apartment only to find the messy remains, they cooked and ate part of his brain and made a necklace out of the skull fragments. Nice tribute to their fallen mate, eh? :D

The British band Venom pretty much invented all the sub genres of Thrash Metal.

[dragon fang]

The most satanist and illuminated industry ever...
What piss me off the most is the robot/army brainwashing, I mean man! that is so obvious, They get to be brainwashed from early age into thinking life is about sex and money but they are telling them to become robots and it is cool, then they will accept the police state and make their dreams of becoming a robot and cybernetic real.

[macneil]

The trend of being dark / twisted or edgy is just going too far...

if every artist starts wearing black and trying to put on grandiose tim burton displays on stage then you have to wonder where they can go from there?

Lady Gaga Tim Burtonizes things for absolutely no reason... I mean her music really doesn't fit the themes of her stage performance. People try to say "she's just an artist and being creative" but a real artist would want to match the stage to the music...

there is definitely intent to give more than just a good performance (Gaga's performance up there sucked by the way:p).


Were you analy raped by a biker with tattoos and piercings while listening to death metal?? Just wondering...

[biblegirl]

The trend of being dark / twisted or edgy is just going too far...

if every artist starts wearing black and trying to put on grandiose tim burton displays on stage then you have to wonder where they can go from there?

Lady Gaga Tim Burtonizes things for absolutely no reason... I mean her music really doesn't fit the themes of her stage performance. People try to say "she's just an artist and being creative" but a real artist would want to match the stage to the music...

there is definitely intent to give more than just a good performance (Gaga's performance up there sucked by the way:p).

just wanted to point out some key words from that article too:

The blog Idol Tracker was at the taping last week, and reported that the studio audience was forced to stay in their seats over an hour and a half later than expected because of Gaga's repeated practice sessions, though they say the star was appreciative of the audience's sacrifice.

it's interesting of course that they would use the word "sacrifice" here when "patience" would have been more appropriate for the context...and why were they "forced to stay in their seats"?

[metacomet]

Were you analy raped by a biker with tattoos and piercings while listening to death metal?? Just wondering...

Troll harder. Clever comment not found...

[macneil]

Troll harder. Clever comment not found...

I dunno... you seem to come across as someone who's had a bad experience with someone a little i dunno 'alternative'. I have no other reason to explain your prejudice.

You tell me... so now there's something wrong with you of you wear black?

[chrysoprase]

Sometimes breaking through the veil of illusion can be difficult.

It is easy enough when it concerns government or the filthy rich, or those that we already don't trust or like.

But when it is about artists, musicians or people who we admire or enjoy their talent... that is when many will scurry out of the rabbit hole and not want to see.

Nobody said breaking through veil would be easy. We shouldn't expect it to be. Prepare to have illusions shattered.

[diamond dogs]

Nice thread :) very interesting.

Been looking into this topic myself...

How about these:



http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7132/article1090014029e747d0.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2738/baphomet1.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5558/langmetropolisrobotwith.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/870/beyoncerobot.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6181/gagahead.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5818/rihadev.jpg

Reminds me of Too Funky vid..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zij-d-0D7WQ

[metacomet]

I dunno... you seem to come across as someone who's had a bad experience with someone a little i dunno 'alternative'. I have no other reason to explain your prejudice.

You tell me... so now there's something wrong with you of you wear black?

Read the thread before making jack-ass suggestions like that. I've explained before that I listened to metal for a part of my life...

[macneil]

Read the thread before making jack-ass suggestions like that. I've explained before that I listened to metal for a part of my life...

that doesnt really mean anything, i listen to lots of stuff lol... your still full of prejudicial nonesense with regards to anything alternative. ie your posts on tattoos, piercings, metal etc etc just wondering who pissed on your chips really.

so whats up now with wearing black lol?

[metacomet]

just wanted to point out some key words from that article too:



it's interesting of course that they would use the word "sacrifice" here when "patience" would have been more appropriate for the context...and why were they "forced to stay in their seats"?

Yuck, you're right.

[dogsmilk]

Satan hopeful of revival in market

Relaxing in his fiery pit of torment and shoving a pitchfork up a sinner's arse, Satan yesterday reported he was "Well chuffed" at the hint of a revival in his malign influence:
"Well I had some great days back in the 80s. My face was everywhere, people were playing their records backwards in attempt to hear me, parents sending their kids to Christian summer camps because they bought a Slayer record - I was riding on the crest of a wave"
But then things started to take a dip;
"Well first you had that grunge stuff and I just wasn't so cool any more. Then you've got Dying Fetus singing about politics, Nile singing about ancient Egypt, Scandinavian black metal going all pagan. Sure, some still had room in their heart for Old Nick, but it just wasn't the same. Then that bloody gansta rap. A whole new way to shock your mum. White teenagers from Canterbury calling themselves niggas. Proper got my goat it did, pardon the pun"

http://www.hennessy.id.au/quentingeorge/archives/satan.jpg

Satan:Chuffed

But a glimmer of hope may be on the horizon. Satan's agent, Metacomet, has been working hard to convince people Satan is well scary and should be taken seriously again.
"I've been working all hours. I've even got someone to resurrect a year old thread on the Icke forum about Satan people had lost interest in. The Satan brand is coming back, believe you me. Like for example, I've been telling people music industry 'big wigs' are often members of satanic societies. I mean I don't fucking know that - how could I? - they won't pick up the phone to me. I mean I guess they're too busy snorting charlie and shagging young actresses hopeful for a big break to worry about some cheesy Omen shit. But it creates a buzz, y'know?
I've got this thing that the vibrations in metal are lower than ever before and totally do your head in. Kids go wild for that sort of thing. They might even get so low it'll be that frequency that makes you shit yourself I've heard about. Imagine that! That'll totally get a documentary about evil Satanic music made, and how long has it been since we had one of those?"

"We're looking at the release dates for some really fucked up shit. Like I was reading this stuff, yeah, about how some numbers are, like, really freaked out and totally important in mad ways. Proper spooky shit and all that. So then I noticed films are released on dates. And then, I thought to myself, if a film is released on a date that's a magic number date, then that must mean it was released then because it's a magic number date and they know all about magic numbers. Whoah! Not, like, they could have just thought that date was a good idea for some other reason. Yeah I totally nailed that shit down. I do logic well good, me. So because I saw films being released and worked out the numbers stuff in my head I knew Hollywood is evil and hard for Satan. I mean, you can tell they're evil because of the dates they release films on right? And obviously they use those dates because they're evil. This is all good news for Satan."

"We're doing a new fashion range too. Lots of black, because that's dark and edgy and lowers your vibrations. I'm just going to have stop wearing my garish higher vibrational rainbow tunic of love in public for the time being."

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcMpbckdipKUKpTMzAmbPBEjnGPMwZh vRT_XJnFQXlkTXZ9EqP&t=1

Black clothing: Dark and edgy

"And finally, I'm bring Satan's influence back into film. I'm going round saying horror films make you go all psycho and deranged and are really bad. Of course, that makes people want to watch them to see what all the fuss is all about. So then we've got Mumshocker 3D - the heavy metal house of horror that's going to put Satan back centre stage. It's really just a collage of old metal album covers and live footage of King Diamond, but we'll have everyone so hyped up they'll shit their pants and faint when the titles roll. I'm telling you man - Satan is totally back and it's going to be awesome."

[nightwriterk]

This is an amazing thread and you're all posting such great information.

I wanted to add a couple of things that I hope haven't already been covered here.

One is this: In 'Trance Formation of America," - an excellent book I recommend everyone read - by Cathy O'Brien, she talks about this very subject and she names names, particularly in the country music industry. she claims that her own daughter, Kelly, was raped by handler, now deceased, Box Car Willy.

I was never a fan of Michael Jackson, but he did some amazingly creative things like "Thriller" and right before his death he did another really neat long-form video (or short movie, whatever you want to call it) about a haunted house that had a kind of "intolerance" message.

Personally, given his age I wonder if his programming was long-past breaking down and it was time for him to be offed in someone's scheme of things. I'm certain he was murdered. His family members have said as much numerous times.

To me he is a pathetic figure. Here is a video about Michael and Mind Control: Mind Control:The REAL Michael Jackson Documentary: The story you never knew Part 2 of 9 - YouTube

And, here is a series of article on Michael Jackson that indicate some involvement with mind control: http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=5508

[pound]

This is an amazing thread and you're all posting such great information.

I wanted to add a couple of things that I hope haven't already been covered here.

One is this: In 'Trance Formation of America," - an excellent book I recommend everyone read - by Cathy O'Brien, she talks about this very subject and she names names, particularly in the country music industry. she claims that her own daughter, Kelly, was raped by handler, now deceased, Box Car Willy.




Classic book! A good companion to 'Tranceformation' is 'The Franklin coverup' by Senator John Decamp. Everything Cathy says is basically reaffirmed and in fact corroborated in that jaw dropping book-the same names involved in the pedo ring/gay sex ring constantly come up again and again I've noticed.

[nightwriterk]

He's from the 70s, says he was at the top of the music industry and in the illuminati, gives out a lot of secret info. Says interesting things about music that you don't hear much and this is 30 years ago. That all hollywood types musicians are initiated witches, that they cast spells and conjure demons into the master copy, that the reason for rock music is to place spells on people they couldn't otherwise access.

Clip is about 6-7 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otti-82jEAc&feature=related

I really enjoyed this clip and I listened to some other ones with this same guy. But, something isn't completely kosher about him.

These clips are from the '70s. By the early '80s there was an anti-occult hysteria among Evangelicals that is parodied by Ozzy Osbourne in the movie, "Trick or Treat."

I have a small collection of some books that were written about this time. I pick up anything to do with Satanism and the occult that looks interesting. And, it was a trend at the time for Christians to write "conversion" stories telling how they were once involved in Satanic cults and now they've found Jesus. They were all eventually outed as frauds.

This guy Todd has the same feel. If he was under the mind control of a witch cult he is now under another form of mind control, which is apparent from the video.

[nightwriterk]

Classic book! A good companion to 'Tranceformation' is 'The Franklin coverup' by Senator John Decamp. Everything Cathy says is basically reaffirmed and in fact corroborated in that jaw dropping book-the same names involved in the pedo ring/gay sex ring constantly come up again and again I've noticed.

I was not familiar with the Franklin Coverup until a few weeks a go. Somebody posted this link - on this forum, I think: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I was young when this happened. And, it happened only hours from where I grew up! Very creepy.

I also live near one of the mind control hot spots mentioned in Cathy O'Brien's book... which I try not to think about too much.

Incidentally, pound - Excellent Avatar Image! That's one of my all time favorite movies!

[metacomet]

One is this: In 'Trance Formation of America," - an excellent book I recommend everyone read - by Cathy O'Brien, she talks about this very subject and she names names, particularly in the country music industry. she claims that her own daughter, Kelly, was raped by handler, now deceased, Box Car Willy.


People can think what they want, but when I read that book and heard the names dropped, it all made sense to me.

Kris Kristauferson was also named and is a creepy S.O.B.

It doesn't take much for me to imagine him being a handler...

He's not that talented, not a great actor... he always plays the same character. His place in Hollywood / the music industry isn't very clearly defined. He's just there. For a reason, I imagine.


http://www.carthagetexas.com/HallofFame/picts/KrisKristofferson%20(Small).jpg

[pound]

Incidentally, pound - Excellent Avatar Image! That's one of my all time favorite movies!

'They live' is probably my favorite movie from John Carpenter-right next to 'Prince of Darkness' and 'Christine'.

[fender93]

I have more evidence on the subject of mind-control in the music industry. This is a very sensitive subject for me as it concerns a very favourite band of mine including a girl I have/had very strong feelings for (I don't know anymore really). That band is Paramore. It concerns the song and video 'Brick By Boring Brick'. I suggest you watch the video before and after reading this just for clarification.

This video has a lot of clear references to the Monarch Mind Control programme (named after the Monarch Butterfly as seen in this video). The young girl in the video is presumably a young version of hayley; she enters a strange world and the door slams behind her: hinting that the wonderland is forced upon the girl. The lyrics of the first verse clearly describe the reality of a mind-controlled slave: "She lives in fairytale somewhere too far for us to find"- The 'fairytale' represents the girls dissociative mind state; and it is "too fart for us too find" as it exists only within the confines of her consciousness. "Forgotten the taste and smell of a world that she left behind"- The girl has been removed from her normal life and imprisoned away from reality. "The angles are all wrong now"-The girls senses have been destroyed and manipulated because of the abuse from her handlers. "Ripping wings off of butterflies"-(Monarch Butterflies).
The dissociative state experienced by Monarch Slaves has been described as a feeling of weightlessness; "Keep your feet on the ground; When your heads in the clouds". The scenes and characters seen in the video are similar to that seen in Alice in Wonderland (commonly associated with mind control). In addition the blurry scenes and mushrooms represent the use of halluconegenic drugs during monarch mind control. The castle in the video represents the girls inner consciousness; the mirrors and the girl's multiplication represent he fragmented mind state. The second verse of the song describes the hideous reality of the mind-controlled slave. "So one day he found her crying coiled up on the dirty ground". It has often been reported that mcs' are kept in cages on floors covered in their own feces. "her prince finally came to save her and the rest you can figure out". her handler came to see her and the line "and the rest you can figure out" refers to the horiffic sexual abuse a mind-controlled slave is forced to endure. "But it was a trick"- refers to the suggestion that handlers often masquerade as helpers and saviors when in fact they are just the opposite. During these repeated episodes of sexual abuse the victim is forced to dissociate from reality. "Well you built up a world of magic because your real life is tragic". The victim has supressed reality and found a state away from it. The girl has 'brick by boring brick' a wall in her consciousness blocking out the truth and the horrors of their situation. The girl eventually escpaes from her trauma only to fall into a grave. hayley then throws the girl's doll into the grave and begins to cover the grave. This could represent one of two things. Either the girl has been punished for failing to follow the programme. Or the innocence of the child has been buried and killed forever. There is also a white rabbit in the grave (a symbol of the illuminati). This rabbit could also be the rabbit from Alice in Wonderland: This goes with a famous quote from Morpheus in The Matrix: "You take the red pill- and you stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes".

I would like to say a special thank you to vigilantcitizen.com for some of this information and knowledge. I think it is safe to say that the music industry is now just another weapon for the illuminati to use against us.

[edelweiss]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/03/article-0-0D7263C0000005DC-147_468x339.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1362545/Vanessa-Hudgens-reveals-inspiration-butterfly-tattoo.html

[nightwriterk]

Here is an interesting interview with Christie from TruthBrigade and Esoteric Kitten

http://truthbrigade.org/smf/index.php/topic,6106.0.html

Esoteric Kitten has a bunch of videos at youtube.com on specific musicians and their apparent connections to MK-Ultra.

[fnord23]

[QUOTE=metacomet;798440]

Hi metacomet - I can't tell you how glad i am to read your post here. i seriously started to think i was the only person in the world who can see what's going on with demonic mind control music.

I am going to start a blog just on this subject because I believe so strongly that we have to do something about this.

I want to give you all some info about my background first so people don't think i'm crazy! What I am going to say is hard to believe - EVEN FOR ME! I still find it hard to believe but I have kinda been forced to believe it now. phew... It still amazes me daily that this could really be happening - but it is.

OK... who am I?

I have studied the occult, magick, witchcraft, world religions such as buddhism, taosim, the qabalah and various systems of psychology and philosophy since i was about 15. I am not and have never been into any kind of black magick and my interest has always been one of spiritual self development. I am a vegetarian and I care about all life forms.

I also have had a very passionate interest in music since a very young age - i started off learning guitar and went on to start making electronic music - i got into techno and later psy trance. I was very into psy trance music and went to a lot of parties and festivals from the late 90's to recently.

I am also a a qualified scientist.

OK - so now I'm going to tell you exactly what I have experienced over the last few years concerning 'satanic mind control music':

Firstly let me just say that I personally think that the word 'satanic' is wrong and it should be labelled 'demonic'. The reason i say that is because 'satan' is a christian invention and i personally dont want to limit myself to one religious viewpoint. demonic however is a universal term relating to evil forces.

I first started hearing strange samples in psy trance music 2 or 3 years ago and recenty it seems to have flooded the scene. this is a covert cia operation designed to destroy the psy trance community and turn it into a demonic f**ked up scene. It is very sad.
I used to go to parties and people would dance have fun, laugh, be happy and above all - have spiritual experiences - through dance and trance. i think that the cia felt that the psy trance community was getting too big and out of their control - so they decided to demonify it - turn it bad.

I started to hear samples (recordings) in the music of people screaming - people being tortured.
Now I want to make clear here - that I am also very psychic and i can tell when someone is lying to me - or acting very easily. When i hear these screams - more often than not - they appear VERY REAL. They are not samples taken from movies or something - they are actual sampled recordings of real people being tortured - for somebody elses sick pleasure.
Yes, I find this hard to believe too - but unfortuneatly i think this really is the truth.

In recent years i went to a couple of big psy trance festivals and they had a seperate stage devoted to only what they now call 'dark psy trance'. There were inverted pentagrams around the stage and they played this demonic torture music for hours.

The really strange thing is that some people sont seem to hear the sounds of screams or torturing. A few times I have been with friends in their house and they are playing some tunes - when I point out that there was a sample of someone screaming and they tell me they can't hear it.!!!

I pointed this out to them 2 years ago - and then I recently went to a party they organised and there were a few dj's - they ALL played this sick music. but this time i heard many tracks that were just SO CLEAR - samples of screaming and people crying and being tortured. SO FU**ING CLEAR AS DAY. HOW can they do this. and they just sit there and let it be played - as if they can't hear it.

I just don't know what to do now - even my friends seem to be sucked into this sicko bull**it.

And I have to say that it is NOT JUST in psy trance. I have heard it in a much mre subtly way in many pop tracks. Very very famous artists sometimes have little samples of screams in their tracks.

ONCE YOU HAVE heard it - you will hear it over and over.

PLEASE PEOPLE - we HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

I am going to start a blog, a petition or something to have these samples investigated - find out where they are coming from.

BUT how could an investigation be started? would the police actually investigate this? They would just say I am crazy wouldn't they?

my blog is here - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact me if you can help or have any information - Together maybe we can stop these freaks from hurting anyone else. http://ciasatanicmusic.blogspot.com/

[whale]

[QUOTE=metacomet;798440]

my blog is here - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact me if you can help or have any information - Together maybe we can stop these freaks from hurting anyone else. http://ciasatanicmusic.blogspot.com/

Interesting. Of course, you being psychic will pick up on things others can't.

I think satanic is more reptilian, while demonic is more to do with demons obviously. Same team of assholes.

need to get some orgonite about those stages http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html I want to get some under the Pyramid at Glastonbury.

the music industry is satanic

[fnord23]

[QUOTE=metacomet;798440]

oh my god.. when you mentioned 'great' artists that you realise later were part of this evil plan... you gotta listen again to Prince - lady Cab driver - and maybe re-think those sounds that you thought were sexy... its actually a sample of a woman being tortured..
see my blog... http://ciasatanicmusic.blogspot.com/2011/06/prince-lady-cab-driver-satanic-torture.html

[fnord23]

[QUOTE=whale;1059976584][QUOTE=fnord23;1059976568]

i havent heard of organite - i will read that thanks..

you just reminded me..
I actualy heard that a girl was raped underneath the stage at a big electronic music festival once... which i was at.--- i wonder whether it was planned.

What can we do about these people... personally i think we should pray for their souls - i am not even a christian! - but i think just sending them some positive energy and love may help heal these sick people

[fnord23]

[QUOTE=fnord23;1059976568]

I think satanic is more reptilian, while demonic is more to do with demons obviously.

Well, i would say that satanic refers to the worship of satan - who is the bad guy of the christians. The word satan also comes from saturn - the challenger.
I don't really think that most of these evil people that kidnap and torture people are really worshipping satan. Maybe they are but i think that is kind of irrelevant - the fact is they are evil and what they are doing is within a demonic reality. they are evoking demons through these actions - they are evoking hate, pain, suffering etc - all of the negative forces in nature. this is what i call demonic. what are demons? they are the symbolic forces of evil. when evil occurs, demons are present - it is the same thing.
I think that a lot of the hollywood and US army satanists are actually satanists though.