10 year old rape victim "dressed provactively"

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Anger at 'lenient' rape sentence
Lord Goldsmith
The Attorney General will review the decision
Children's charities have reacted with anger after a window cleaner who raped a 10-year-old girl was jailed for two years.

Keith Fenn, 24, will be free in four months after a judge said the girl had appeared older than her actual age.

The charity Kidscape accused Judge Julian Hall of "trying to find excuses" and said a child must never be blamed.

Attorney General Lord Goldsmith is to decide whether the sentence should be appealed as 'unduly lenient'.

Judge Hall had said that the sentencing had been the most difficult decision he had ever made, but the girl had appeared to be 16.

She was attacked by Fenn and an accomplice in a park in Henley-on-Thames, South Oxfordshire on 14 October last year.

Moral dilemma

Oxford Crown Court heard that Fenn removed her clothes and raped her, while an accomplice, Darren Wright, 34, took her home and sexually assaulted her.

The judge said in sentencing he faced a moral dilemma as the fact they had sex within 45 minutes of meeting was an absolute crime.

But he said the girl had dressed provocatively and looked like she was 16.

He gave Fenn concurrent two-year and 18-month sentences, but he will be free in eight weeks after serving eight months in prison awaiting sentence.

Wright is already free as Judge Hall had already given him a nine-month sentence for inciting the girl to perform a sex act.

'Back to the 1950s'

Dr Michele Elliott, director of Kidscape said the decision had left her "lost for words".

She said: "It takes us back to the 1950s when the victim was blamed if they were dressed provocatively.

"No one in my opinion could mistake a 10-year-old child, even dressed up, for a 16-year-old. They are just trying very hard to find excuses.

"You can never blame a child victim for sexual abuse when excusing the abuser of any kind of abuse."

The NSPCC added: "There is no excuse for having sex with a 10-year-old, no matter how she dresses."

A spokesman for Lord Goldsmith said he had asked the Crown Prosecution Service to send him the papers on the case, and would consider whether or not to refer the sentence to the Court of Appeal as "unduly lenient".

He has 28 days to make a decision.



I still don't get this. Even if the girl was 16 or 40 (nevermind 10), how does dressing provocatively give someone the right to rape or have a lesser sentence?

No means no right?

[anoninnyc]

I still don't get this. Even if the girl was 16 or 40 (nevermind 10), how does dressing provocatively give someone the right to rape or have a lesser sentence?

No means no right?

absolutely disgusting. next time would you please provide a link to the article you quote from? would like to share this article with friends.

[richmick]

We are getting a few cases like this, i wonder why. Is the uk posessed by demons or what. This judge is probably a pheado himself...sick.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464150&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

[reptilianshapeshifter]

It's this attitude that rape is ok if the girl seems sexual.

The fact this girl is 10 obviously makes it a lot lot worse but it shouldn't hide the fact that if the girl was 16 or older that rape is anyway less of a crime or partially justified.

[truthsayer]

What is wrong with these judges? Rape is rape; full stop. There's no budge room for blame on the victim!!!:mad:

[anoninnyc]

We are getting a few cases like this, i wonder why. Is the uk posessed by demons or what. This judge is probably a pheado himself...sick.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464150&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

thanks for the link. i think the judge definitely is promoting paedophilia.

[ngawaka19]

Tell you what, why don't we just get the girls to all wear a sack with a little peep hole to look out of, that way the girls won't be blamed. Infact why don't we just kill off all the girls then their will really be no one to blame.

The great gender disease of the western culture. Its a mans world, its an anti-humanist world.

Woman stands for the creation of being. And they get blamed.

This proves the power of female sexuality. The Goddess.

Its so infuriating that our beautiful innocent girl children are having these horrors to live thru. This will effect this girl for the rest of her life. Fuck the system.

[mynameis]

It is the business of the government to go lightly on criminals and let them off with a slap on the wrist. They are very good at doing for themselves and their friends while leaving the public hanging out to dry. You reap what you sow and by their fruits you will know them.

[kasalt]

Tell you what, why don't we just get the girls to all wear a sack with a little peep hole to look out of, that way the girls won't be blamed. Infact why don't we just kill off all the girls then their will really be no one to blame.

The great gender disease of the western culture. Its a mans world, its an anti-humanist world.

Woman stands for the creation of being. And they get blamed.

This proves the power of female sexuality. The Goddess.

Its so infuriating that our beautiful innocent girl children are having these horrors to live thru. This will effect this girl for the rest of her life. Fuck the system.

You are sooo right ngawaka19...The exact same thoughts you have expressed here also occurred to me in just the past few days...Women are the life-bearers! And women have a considerably greater capacity for empathy than men do! So "whence commeth patriarchy?"

[the festival spirit]

Infact why don't we just kill off all the girls then their will really be no one to blame.


Out of context? do you all believe what the daily mail tells you ?

ngawaka I respect you, I am still disappointed when I see bias. I wil put your quote back into context if it pleases you, my message is still the same.

A twelve year old girl in holland has the legal right to have sex, Rape IS wrong whatever sex it happens to. So is suggesting we should kill girls. (yes I understand, just bear with me ngawaka) there are ten year olds that look sixteen, (the legal age of consent in the UK) IT DOES NOT say that the girl gave her consent because it is accepted that a girl under 16 giving consent to have sex with her, means that the person having sex with her is committing stautory rape. I am just stating facts.

Some of you people should know better.

EDIT: to add the best part of the whole report was this

"I am appalled at the leniency of this sentence; frankly a sentence this lenient for such a serious crime makes a mockery of the legal system."

The judge probably used his discretion as set out by the people that make "the legal system", which is who?

[the festival spirit]

You are sooo right ngawaka19...The exact same thoughts you have expressed here also occurred to me in just the past few days...Women are the life-bearers! And women have a considerably greater capacity for empathy than men do! So "whence commeth patriarchy?"


Patriarchy, Read Tales from the time loop by david icke.


And as for
"women have a considerably greater capacity for empathy than men do!"

Are you a woman and do you believe in equality?

[earthseed]

What's next hey judge the baby was only wearing a diaper totally asking for it! Geeze we are just asking for extinction aren't we?

[ngawaka19]

Hey festive I hear you thanks for the reply I always read your posts carefully, because there is always a good point or message within them. And again you point out something that I have overlooked. The statutory rape thing, that actually is what has sent many innocent men to jail. I do agree with this. chur. And I'd just like to say, I sometimes make my point by being sarcastic, by using metaphoric and by trying to use cynicism and irony to have a laugh at maybe a hugely weighty topic. Maybe that's wrong of me.

Could you, for me festive, consider this, all of us, have fore mothers that have been raped, oppressed, controlled and overpowered going back for thousands of years. It would be a great acknowledgement to them that they never suffered in vain, if we try to stop watering down this hideous infliction that young girls and woman have to cope with. One has to see the laws on rape, and agree that they are pathetic. Its important that we realise those who water these things down are not the majority of ones that have been raped for thousands of years. When are we going to evenly respect 'the mother'. Personally I believe that this is what has thrown the balance out, I look upon this issue and see that men are starting to suffer as well, in many ways (but thats another thread).

If we could look at the globe for a reference, earth is mother, whats happening to her?

We can all make this work if we help, trust, hear and respect each other.

[i_am]

Yes it was statutory rape

A man who raped a ten-year-old girl will be free in four months after the judge said the victim 'dressed provocatively'. Keith Fenn, 25, admitted having sex with the girl, who claimed to be 16, twice in a park after meeting her in the street in Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire. Judge Julian Hall – who a few months ago told a paedophile to buy his six-year- old victim a bicycle – said the girl dressed in a frilly bra and thong.

but i would have to agree with this

For the judge to act in such a lenient fashion also shows us that liberal attitudes towards sex has infected due judicial process. Not withstanding the fact that having sexual intercourse with a 10 year old is statutory rape as a 10 year girl cannot by law consent to have sex, surely anybody in their right mind can tell the difference between a 10 year old and a 16 year old girl and this guy is 25, he shouldn't be anywhere near 16 year olds anyway, and yet still he gets only 2 years and will be out in 4 months, probably earlier under the early release scheme. Ask yourself, what kind of deterrent is that?

[the festival spirit]

Hey festive I hear you thanks for the reply I always read your posts carefully, because there is always a good point or message within them. And again you point out something that I have overlooked.

Hi ngawaka,

Thanks once again for your kind words and respect and consideration. Does your culture have a short saying for that? and also please, what does chur mean? I just want to understand.

Unfortunately I have personal experience of rape against both sexes, and for those that do not know, I am male, I have never been raped, but I have felt the effects of abuse from some of those that have, It was in my life (the effects of abuse from some of those that have) for nineteen years and shaped my life in such a way that I learnt a lot, of how to love people, with kindness, and consideration, for all possibilities.



The statutory rape thing, that actually is what has sent many innocent men to jail. I do agree with this. chur. And I'd just like to say, I sometimes make my point by being sarcastic, by using metaphoric and by trying to use cynicism and irony to have a laugh at maybe a hugely weighty topic. Maybe that's wrong of me.

We (myself included) must be careful how we say things, many on this site, take things the wrong way, and crash around like the proverbial bull in a china shop. My ex was not raped in the circumstances that I am now going to talk about, BUT she did suffer many years of abuse because her step father was accused of rape and imprisoned leaving my ex as a very small child in the care of an abuser!

Just think about that everybody for a minute please, we do not discuss light hearted subjects in this thread, and bulls in china shops are not usually welcome.


Could you, for me festive, consider this, all of us, have fore mothers that have been raped, oppressed, controlled and overpowered going back for thousands of years. It would be a great acknowledgement to them that they never suffered in vain, if we try to stop watering down this hideous infliction that young girls and woman have to cope with.

I do consider what you ask of me, I understand completely ngawaka, "It would be a great acknowledgement to them that they never suffered in vain," and that is what I thought this david icke website was about, getting justice for all, but who are we to judge?

if we try to stop watering down this hideous infliction that young girls and woman have to cope with.

Some of the most ignorant and biggotted people on this website SWEAR that we bring everything on ourselves. And if they have the support of the admin of this site they should all, get a reality check. So I am in complete understanding of where you are coming from, but also ask you to return the favour of considering this,

Some women have to cope with things brought about by their own choice(s) as well as by things being forced upon them. the rape victims that bring it about by their own choices are some of those that are responsible for watered down justice. Again, I am just stating fact.

Fact discerned from 19 years experience of living with a woman, that was seved injustice by her mother for falsely accusing a man of rape, getting what she wanted (him imprisoned) and continuing to abuse her own daughter for 13 years before that daughter was voluntarily put 'in care' where she was actually statutarily raped, eg, gave her boyfriend consent.

The criminal justice system was highlighted for what it really is on the Illuminati words thread. IT IS MORE LIKELY that the justice system in the uk and other countries IS set up by criminals, there is much to be said about their behaviour, including peadophilia, that cannot be right.


One has to see the laws on rape, and agree that they are pathetic. Its important that we realise those who water these things down are not the majority of ones that have been raped for thousands of years. When are we going to evenly respect 'the mother'. Personally I believe that this is what has thrown the balance out, I look upon this issue and see that men are starting to suffer as well, in many ways (but thats another thread).

If we could look at the globe for a reference, earth is mother, whats happening to her?

We can all make this work if we help, trust, hear and respect each other.

I understand and agree that "the laws on rape, are pathetic" they do however in some situations find some kind of justice, but in my experience there is no justice, no amount of penalty or compensation can make up for the loss or additions brought about by rape.

Men do suffer also in many ways, to do with this subject, Hence one of my passions is 'fighting' discrimination against anyone. (what a thread that would be)

I must add I do not think all women 'anything' I do not think there is no such thing as rape, I do not think men are all 'anything' I do not discriminate, I just cannot write forever just in case someone does not agree with me.

In my infinite wisdom ;) I will give you the last word, and ask you to consider james when you read this.


We can all make this work if we help, trust, hear and respect each other.

[the festival spirit]

Yes it was statutory rape



but i would have to agree with this

agree with what ? I think the restrictions on quotes are tedious on this site.

can you let us know your source please I am?

[ngawaka19]

Your too much alright infinite, I am humbled and grateful to be able to share this time and space with you. God bless you.

ps I'm talking to james and i wish for there to be understanding and respect between us.

deeply
love and light
ngawaka

[ngawaka19]

sorry forgot to tell you the meaning of chur

you cant fill a black board up with what it means in english, its a modern Maori slang that means, just to name a few,

thats cool
i love it
very good
have you got that
do you understand
have a nice day
totally awesome
how sad
and it also can be used as an apostrophy. thats just a few of its meanings.

I called you infinite before, sorry, my machine is slow to move and I get impatient so i don't reference. but I'll say it a again 'festive spirit' I'm glad I met you here and to be apart of this space with you. chur.

the last post was meant for you.

[infinitetruth]

So whats he trying to say,

that it was alrite to rape her at the age of 16?

WTF is this world coming to? It doesn't matter if she was walking down the street naked - rape is rape.

[i_am]

agree with what ? I think the restrictions on quotes are tedious on this site.

can you let us know your source please I am?


Yes it was statutory rape

but i would have to agree with this

http://nationalistblog.blogspot.com/...oss-about.html


What do you mean agree with what? I agree with what was said in quotes after, "I would have to agree with this" (in original post)

[the festival spirit]

Yes it was statutory rape

but i would have to agree with this


http://nationalistblog.blogspot.com/

What do you mean agree with what? I agree with what was said in quotes after, "I would have to agree with this."

Thank you I am,

please. lets not get off on the wrong foot, Thank you for the link, it is annoying when things are quoted out of context, We had no idea what you were quoting when you quoted, and hence me not being able to quote what you quoted IS pathetic.
And it leads to misunderstandings.


What do you mean agree with what? I agree with what was said in quotes after, "I would have to agree with this."

It was just easier for me to ask you what you agreed with.

sean is having to get a greater server capacity because of the increased traffic on this website, for me to quote you fully (if you had used a quote from this thread) I would have had to open several pages to just quote you, OK I might not have had to but it does save me time to increase the server capacity many fold, now who's problem is that, mine for saving time for myself, or the admins?

Lets not discuss this further it will result in this thread being turned into a rant, and I will be accused of it.

Again and respectfully, thanks for the link.

EDIT: oh great a link to a site advocating racial discrimination, some people just take the... I never found what you were linking to. friend

[i_am]

sean is having to get a greater server capacity because of the increased traffic on this website, for me to quote you fully (if you had used a quote from this thread) I would have had to open several pages to just quote you, OK I might not have had to but it does save me time to increase the server capacity many fold, now who's problem is that, mine for saving time for myself, or the admins?


EDIT: oh great a link to a site advocating racial discrimination, some people just take the... I never found what you were linking to. friend

Yes it probably is a racially discriminating site but I just a followed a link to stories about this subject and that was all I read.

Here is the correct link to the article, not the home page that I mistakenly posted.

http://nationalistblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/parents-liberals-dont-give-toss-about.html

and I still agree with the comments.

As for your comments about quotes and bandwith, I can't understand your problem with this function. Open several pages?

Is this what you mean?

Originally Posted by i_am
What do you mean agree with what? I agree with what was said in quotes after, "I would have to agree with this."

It was just easier for me to ask you what you agreed with.

It is quite simple to put a quote within a quote and I doubt it takes any extra bandwith. If you want to use several quotes from different posts, just copy them all into word or notepad and then copy and paste to thread. I don't profess to be a computer whiz but I have no problem with this site apart from the fact it is sometimes so slow but Sean is addressing that.

[anoninnyc]

Are you a woman and do you believe in equality?

this was in response to Originally Posted by kasalt "women have a considerably greater capacity for empathy than men do!"

Well festivalspirit, i do believe that this is true originally before the television, etc. has gotten ahold of us. I know the term separate but equal sounds terrible due to its use in the segregation of blacks in the usa. but i truly believe that men and women are inherently different, not better or worse, just different and complementary to each other. yin and yang. it is feminism that has tried to ignore this fact. it is funny that rather than helping women feminism has allowed this downward spiral of depravity that is the modern woman. the little girl's role model's of today are paris hilton, britney spears, etc. the hip and trendy clothing at the stores are all slutty looking. so yes, ten year old girls dress like whores. i see it every day. this does not make it right for them to be raped. i am not excusing what these men did in any way. but our television, magazines, culture does sexualize children and then we are having a judge in this case that is giving little more than a slap on the wrist. if we really think about this case we will see a much bigger illuminati (or evil or whatever you want to call it) agenda.

[edelweiss pirate]

Clearly the window cleaner and his mate where members of a baby brotherhood society like C18 or Oddfellows...

Death to masons!

[notaslave]

no way does a ten year old childs naked body resemble a 16 year old.... what utter nonsense.

[anoninnyc]

while i agree that a ten year olds body does not resemble a 16 year olds, remember that the age of onset of menses is going down. i got my period at age 13 as was the norm. i understand that girls are getting their periods younger and younger now thanks to hormones in the food supposedly. i think that this is all linked together to take away our young girls' childhood.

[the festival spirit]

Yes it probably is a racially discriminating site but I just a followed a link to stories about this subject and that was all I read.

Here is the correct link to the article, not the home page that I mistakenly posted.

http://nationalistblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/parents-liberals-dont-give-toss-about.html

and I still agree with the comments.

As for your comments about quotes and bandwith, I can't understand your problem with this function. Open several pages?

Is this what you mean?



It is quite simple to put a quote within a quote and I doubt it takes any extra bandwith. If you want to use several quotes from different posts, just copy them all into word or notepad and then copy and paste to thread. I don't profess to be a computer whiz but I have no problem with this site apart from the fact it is sometimes so slow but Sean is addressing that.


YOU are wrong, think about it.

OR fuck off why should I when technology dictates we shouldnt?


pollock

[the festival spirit]

Clearly the window cleaner and his mate where members of a baby brotherhood society like C18 or Oddfellows...

Death to masons!

Pollock

you dont even know what IS, never mind anything else, come to my own space and prepare yourself for death PAL

[the festival spirit]

while i agree that a ten year olds body does not resemble a 16 year olds, remember that the age of onset of menses is going down. i got my period at age 13 as was the norm. i understand that girls are getting their periods younger and younger now thanks to hormones in the food supposedly. i think that this is all linked together to take away our young girls' childhood.

PMSL get with it, check out REALITY and real life!

[the festival spirit]

while i agree that a ten year olds body does not resemble a 16 year olds, remember that the age of onset of menses is going down. i got my period at age 13 as was the norm. i understand that girls are getting their periods younger and younger now thanks to hormones in the food supposedly. i think that this is all linked together to take away our young girls' childhood.

check out Tales from the time loop,

pollock

[the festival spirit]

Yes it probably is a racially discriminating site but I just a followed a link to stories about this subject and that was all I read.

Here is the correct link to the article, not the home page that I mistakenly posted.

http://nationalistblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/parents-liberals-dont-give-toss-about.html

and I still agree with the comments.

As for your comments about quotes and bandwith, I can't understand your problem with this function. Open several pages?

Is this what you mean?





It is quite simple to put a quote within a quote and I doubt it takes any extra bandwith. If you want to use several quotes from different posts, just copy them all into word or notepad and then copy and paste to thread. I don't profess to be a computer whiz but I have no problem with this site apart from the fact it is sometimes so slow but Sean is addressing that.



get with it fool, your words speak for themselves

NOT IF YOUR MULTIQUOTE FUNCTION is being censored, come to my space (not my space do asearch) to be with it

you can have FREE speech there we let the pillocks expose themsleves

SO MANY FOOLS, ye my emotions have got the better of me, BUT my emotions are worth more than any PILLOCK

[the festival spirit]

the 'genuine' people will answer this post with the word, 'I hear you'


test me ?

[the festival spirit]

this was in response to Originally Posted by kasalt "women have a considerably greater capacity for empathy than men do!"

Well festivalspirit, i do believe that this is true originally before the television, etc. has gotten ahold of us. I know the term separate but equal sounds terrible due to its use in the segregation of blacks in the usa. but i truly believe that men and women are inherently different, not better or worse, just different and complementary to each other. yin and yang. it is feminism that has tried to ignore this fact. it is funny that rather than helping women feminism has allowed this downward spiral of depravity that is the modern woman. the little girl's role model's of today are paris hilton, britney spears, etc. the hip and trendy clothing at the stores are all slutty looking. so yes, ten year old girls dress like whores. i see it every day. this does not make it right for them to be raped. i am not excusing what these men did in any way. but our television, magazines, culture does sexualize children and then we are having a judge in this case that is giving little more than a slap on the wrist. if we really think about this case we will see a much bigger illuminati (or evil or whatever you want to call it) agenda.


I should only say, I HEAR you, but the UK doctors (I am supposed to be 'under' Say I am 98% deaf!!!)

Get it?


anoninnyc, I HAVE the utmost respect for you, mother, (come one.) ONLY

[splinterg]

Originally Posted by anoninnyc View Post
while i agree that a ten year olds body does not resemble a 16 year olds, remember that the age of onset of menses is going down. i got my period at age 13 as was the norm. i understand that girls are getting their periods younger and younger now thanks to hormones in the food supposedly. i think that this is all linked together to take away our young girls' childhood.


I dont think this is a crazy assertion..Im sorry this may have no direct link to the thread..but I do feel this young lady has a point

Why is it wrong to ponder for one second the shit we eat? Surely we are what we eat right? So if ya pumping a cow a chicken or a pig full of hormones to make its yield potentially bigger and more profitable without any concern to the animal or the consumer we surely must take some of this shit onboard?
Nothing is impossible..and if it is your a quitter!! So it stands to reason I think that the food chain is just 1 of a handfull of ways to get to our well being and to keep our minds/soul in complete amnesia so we never remember what it is we are being prepared for..

[paolo]

The thing about the rape is that sex with any child under the age of 13 is defined as rape whether consenting or not. Which of course presents a big problem for the more precocious adolescents of similar ages. It appears ludicrous that a ten year old could have been mistaken for a sixteen year old, and I somehow doubt that the judge made that decision based on viewing the child naked, or an image of such. But perhaps he did and got his end away on such and thus felt sympathetic to the defendant.
There are many cases of secodary sexual characteristics occurring at an abnormally young age. There is just a chance of this happening here.
Actually, whilst we might feel a disgust for this 24 yr old working class guy, whatever the facts, it dont bear a mention against what's going on within the judge's level and way way above

[anoninnyc]

I still don't get this. Even if the girl was 16 or 40 (nevermind 10), how does dressing provocatively give someone the right to rape or have a lesser sentence?

No means no right?

i agree. who are they? the taliban? this stream of thought only blames the victim and is so wrong.

[anoninnyc]

The thing about the rape is that sex with any child under the age of 13 is defined as rape whether consenting or not. Which of course presents a big problem for the more precocious adolescents of similar ages. It appears ludicrous that a ten year old could have been mistaken for a sixteen year old, and I somehow doubt that the judge made that decision based on viewing the child naked, or an image of such. But perhaps he did and got his end away on such and thus felt sympathetic to the defendant.
There are many cases of secodary sexual characteristics occurring at an abnormally young age. There is just a chance of this happening here.
Actually, whilst we might feel a disgust for this 24 yr old working class guy, whatever the facts, it dont bear a mention against what's going on within the judge's level and way way above

i agree with you and sorry for going off on a tangent. though as splinterg pointed out, food is just another way they get at us and lower our defenses. that is a lenient sentence for raping anyone of any age. and of course it is so much worse due to the fact that it was a 10 year old girl. i also find it criminal what our culture does to young girls as a whole in overly sexualizing them (while many of them may not even comprehend the messages they are projecting). i see little girls in t-shirts that say sexy.... i want to scream at their parents. this in no way excuses the child rapists, it is just part of the larger picture of what is being done to our young girls. as i am pregnant with a baby girl i am more aware of these issues than ever. i will not only have to worry about keeping my child away from paedophiles but also from the television, trashy clothing, hormones in the food, etc. i often wonder if there is a conscious plot to sexualize young girls, make paedophilia more acceptable or at least more common.

[anoninnyc]

PMSL get with it, check out REALITY and real life!

sorry, not sure what pmsl means, and are you pollock? thought that was someone else who often posts on this website. very confused.

[the festival spirit]

Originally Posted by anoninnyc View Post
while i agree that a ten year olds body does not resemble a 16 year olds, remember that the age of onset of menses is going down. i got my period at age 13 as was the norm. i understand that girls are getting their periods younger and younger now thanks to hormones in the food supposedly. i think that this is all linked together to take away our young girls' childhood.


I dont think this is a crazy assertion..Im sorry this may have no direct link to the thread..but I do feel this young lady has a point

Why is it wrong to ponder for one second the shit we eat? Surely we are what we eat right? So if ya pumping a cow a chicken or a pig full of hormones to make its yield potentially bigger and more profitable without any concern to the animal or the consumer we surely must take some of this shit onboard?
Nothing is impossible..and if it is your a quitter!! So it stands to reason I think that the food chain is just 1 of a handfull of ways to get to our well being and to keep our minds/soul in complete amnesia so we never remember what it is we are being prepared for..


where is the end of your quote O' symbolic one?

[the festival spirit]

The thing about the rape is that sex with any child under the age of 13 is defined as rape whether consenting or not. Which of course presents a big problem for the more precocious adolescents of similar ages. It appears ludicrous that a ten year old could have been mistaken for a sixteen year old, and I somehow doubt that the judge made that decision based on viewing the child naked, or an image of such.
It was great up till here.


But perhaps he did and got his end away on such and thus felt sympathetic to the defendant.
WHAT?


There are many cases of secodary sexual characteristics occurring at an abnormally young age. There is just a chance of this happening here.
Actually, whilst we might feel a disgust for this 24 yr old working class guy, whatever the facts, it dont bear a mention against what's going on within the judge's level and way way above

I hear that!

Thanx for the facts, friend.

[splinterg]

while i agree that a ten year olds body does not resemble a 16 year olds, remember that the age of onset of menses is going down. i got my period at age 13 as was the norm. i understand that girls are getting their periods younger and younger now thanks to hormones in the food supposedly. i think that this is all linked together to take away our young girls' childhood.

I dont think this is a crazy assertion..Im sorry this may have no direct link to the thread..but I do feel this young lady has a point

Why is it wrong to ponder for one second the shit we eat? Surely we are what we eat right? So if ya pumping a cow a chicken or a pig full of hormones to make its yield potentially bigger and more profitable without any concern to the animal or the consumer we surely must take some of this shit onboard?
Nothing is impossible..and if it is your a quitter!! So it stands to reason I think that the food chain is just 1 of a handfull of ways to get to our well being and to keep our minds/soul in complete amnesia so we never remember what it is we are being prepared for..

There you go yo perfect one

[notaslave]

I cant believe you have children, even if the child had started her period she is still not going to have the body of a 16 year old!

Gawd you are writing out excuses for paedophiles. Sick!

[notaslave]

There was a case in Scotland not so long ago where a 12 year child had a baby, her pictures (with her face blurred) were sprawled over the Scottish Sun.

Despite the fact you could not even see her face, despite the fact she was wearing adult clothes you could see she was a child from her body shape.

Edit to add: and I have absolutely no doubt you could tell she was a child form speaking to her

[anoninnyc]

I cant believe you have children, even if the child had started her period she is still not going to have the body of a 16 year old!

Gawd you are writing out excuses for paedophiles. Sick!

First of all, I do not study the body of young girls so I really am not an expert here. Secondly, I most certainly am not making excuses for paedophiles.

What I am saying is that there is a conspiracy to sexualize young girls. Look at their role models- recall Britney Spears in a catholic school girl's uniform, etc. Look at the clothing being marketed to them. Look at Bratz dolls, the newer more hip Barbie type dolls that make Barbie look like a prude. Look at the hormones that are put in our food, causing girls to develope younger than ever. And now courts who will barely punish child rapists.

How are any of us making excuses for paedophiles? What I am trying to do is to point out that we live in a disgusting culture where our girls are being harmed. If this is a taboo subject to discuss we must ask ourselves why. Why should I be silenced for voicing my opinions about the larger picture?

[notaslave]

The law as far as I know, has to be interpreted on how the "reasonable man in the street" would see it.

If you really dont think a reasonable man can tell the difference between a 10 year old child and 16 year young woman, then perahps the "reasonable" men should all be locked up for the safety of our children.

[notaslave]

First of all, I do not study the body of young girls so I really am not an expert here.

You stated you had period at 13, therefore I am assuming you are female and also have had fairly normal development.

We however do not even know whether this child was at that stage of development, assuming she was (though it would STILL be unusually early) her body does still not have the form of an adults.

Or did you change overnight into a developed woman? I certainly didnt there were stages I had to go through first. No-one is saying you have to study children or girls in particular, being alive and mixing is usually enough qualifications.

That aside ... we can then turn to her mental capacity at the age of 10.

What you seem to be suggesting is we have a 10 year old child with the body of a 16year old and the same mental capacity...... show me this freak of nature I have yet in my life to see it.

[infinitetruth]

what is the crime in having a 16 year old body at the age of 10? I seem to remember being mistaken for 18 when i was 13. Does that mean I deserve to be raped?

Yes its true that our culture sexualises young girls - the pursuit of thinness has nothing to do with health rather more to do with making a full grown woman look more like a child. Anorexia is a way to make a woman look more like a child. Seeing skinny women as the 'norm' in the media pushes us all to accept that as the norm also. Young girls are continually sexualised in films and the media. Look at the bratz dolls.

Although the sexualisation of young girls may excuse a man from having sexual feelings it does NOT excuse rape in any way shape or form.

I regularly boycott anything which i perceive as sexualising girls or making images of women look like girls because i won't spend my money on stuff like that. If I disagree with somethin I don't buy into it.

[anoninnyc]

You stated you had period at 13, therefore I am assuming you are female and also have had fairly normal development.

We however do not even know whether this child was at that stage of development, assuming she was (though it would STILL be unusually early) her body does still not have the form of an adults.

Or did you change overnight into a developed woman? I certainly didnt there were stages I had to go through first. No-one is saying you have to study children or girls in particular, being alive and mixing is usually enough qualifications.

That aside ... we can then turn to her mental capacity at the age of 10.

What you seem to be suggesting is we have a 10 year old child with the body of a 16year old and the same mental capacity...... show me this freak of nature I have yet in my life to see it.

I did not say anywhere in any of my posts that she could be or should be confused for a 16 year old girl. This is not my area of expertise. Merely pointing out a fact that girls are developing younger now. And yes, I got my period at 13 and I don't quite remember what my body was like but I do know that it in no way resembled that of a woman. Had no breasts at that time, that I remember, nor did most of my friends. Just because you get your period does not mean that you have a woman's body, as I recall that didn't happen to me until a few years later.

I in no way suggested that the 10 year old would have a mental capacity of anything other than a 10 year old. I don't know where you are getting any of this from. What happened to that little girl is sick and inexcusable. If I had my way those men would be castrated. But it is also true that the sentence was incredibly lenient even if she was 40 years old. I mean, the girl was raped and the rapists just get a slap on the wrist? Shouldn't a rapist get at least ten years in prison? And I think that a child rapist should not be let out to begin with.

I do not know why my discussion of the larger picture, of a pervasive abuse and sexualization of our girls has turned into me defending myself that I am not defending child rapists. Do you really not get what I am saying about the media, retailers, food industry, chemical companies, etc. and not see how they are negatively affecting our young? Why do you take this as me defending rapists? I really do not see what your problem is. The whole system is against our girls.... they are brainwashed by the media to dress slutty and idolize sluts (without even having the full mental capacity to understand what this means in the first place), fed foods full of hormones, then they are "protected" by a legal system that seems to be on the rapists side since the girl dressed provocatively and looked older supposedly? Don't you see how this is raping the little girl again and again (not just by the rapists but by the legal system as well as our whole society)?????

[anoninnyc]

what is the crime in having a 16 year old body at the age of 10? I seem to remember being mistaken for 18 when i was 13. Does that mean I deserve to be raped?

Yes its true that our culture sexualises young girls - the pursuit of thinness has nothing to do with health rather more to do with making a full grown woman look more like a child. Anorexia is a way to make a woman look more like a child. Seeing skinny women as the 'norm' in the media pushes us all to accept that as the norm also. Young girls are continually sexualised in films and the media. Look at the bratz dolls.

Although the sexualisation of young girls may excuse a man from having sexual feelings it does NOT excuse rape in any way shape or form.

I regularly boycott anything which i perceive as sexualising girls or making images of women look like girls because i won't spend my money on stuff like that. If I disagree with somethin I don't buy into it.


In the usa we have such a thing as felony murder. you get a super harsh sentence for this and from my recollection it means that if you commit a murder during the course of a criminal activity such as a bank robbery etc. and a murder gets commited during the course of it then you are screwed. does not matter if your partner in crime committed the murder, it was accidental anyway and you had no idea he was carrying a gun. the general premise is if you are committing such a crime that is the risk you take.
well that is how i feel about child rapists.... if you are a rapist this is a risk you are taking anyway and you are a scumbag rapist so if the girl ends up being ten years old that is what you should be prosecuted for. does not matter that you intended to rape a woman....... or a 16 year old girl or whatever...... you intended to rape and should not be given any benefit of doubt.

And yes, infinitetruth, you are right about the skinny being the beauty ideal for women now. And it sickens me that in hollywood men have such more staying power than women. once a woman begins to age she is done for it (except for the very few actresses which take the rare older woman parts). seems like all the stars now that are popular with the younger set are anorexic like lindsay lohan and nicole ritchie. i applaud you for boycotting this crap. I have a little girl on the way and I will never buy her a bratz doll and i will do my best to try to explain this insanity to her in a truthful manner.

[notaslave]

I did not say anywhere in any of my posts that she could be or should be confused for a 16 year old girl. This is not my area of expertise. Merely pointing out a fact that girls are developing younger now. And yes, I got my period at 13 and I don't quite remember what my body was like but I do know that it in no way resembled that of a woman. Had no breasts at that time, that I remember, nor did most of my friends. Just because you get your period does not mean that you have a woman's body, as I recall that didn't happen to me until a few years later.

fine we are then in agreement that no reasonable adult can mistake a naked child of 10 years olf for a naked young women of 16 years old. (the consensual age in this country)



I do not know why my discussion of the larger picture, of a pervasive abuse and sexualization of our girls has turned into me defending myself that I am not defending child rapists. Do you really not get what I am saying about the media, retailers, food industry, chemical companies, etc. and not see how they are negatively affecting our young? Why do you take this as me defending rapists? I really do not see what your problem is. The whole system is against our girls.... they are brainwashed by the media to dress slutty and idolize sluts (without even having the full mental capacity to understand what this means in the first place), fed foods full of hormones, then they are "protected" by a legal system that seems to be on the rapists side since the girl dressed provocatively and looked older supposedly? Don't you see how this is raping the little girl again and again (not just by the rapists but by the legal system as well as our whole society)?????

Yes I am in agreement that our young are dressing like adults. How we judge people should not be on the clothes they wear though as this means should a woman choose to wear a short skirt or low cut top she was "asking for it" and I really thought we had gotten away from such poor bygone excuses used in courts by men who rape.... And once you go down that road you might as well wear a bhurka, because who is to argue what is "asking for it" or not? A few inches above the knee? Several inches above the knee? It just becomes ridiculous.

As for mistaking a 13 year old for 18 year old (another poster) had the person taken the trouble to speak with you for more than a few minutes then I think he/she would quickly know you were not 18 - or were a rather retarded 18 - either case I would expect them to have the decency to treat a retarded 18 like the mental age they were displaying and not attempt to sleep with them, though not sure the law would demand such and if it doesnt then it damn well should.

Guys arent stupid... anyone can take a 15 year old for a 16 year old but if in any doubt at all DECENT PEOPLE stay clear.

Paedophiles meanwhile know exactly what they are looking for and this case was exactly that, not some ordinary guy of 24 but a guy who likes sex with children and thinks it's ok really, so long as he doesnt caught.

And when he gets caught it helps if the beak is that way inclined too. With this particular judge's record where he said a previous victim could buy themselves a bike to cheer themselves up .... well lets just say I have serious concerns over where his tendencies lie.

[anoninnyc]

I agree with you. The judge was basically saying that any woman or child who dresses provocatively is "asking for it" and that judge may as well be a member of the taliban if you really think about it. first of all this line of thought is repulsive enough when used on a grown woman, but a ten year old certainly does not have the capacity to realize that the slutty clothing marketed is in fact slutty or what such things truly mean.

what i do have a problem with is that you say that in the uk you follow the reasonable person standard, which i find very dangerous in cases like this (and the point of our misunderstanding). i think that legally it should be strict liability. so if their ever is a case of a 10 year old looking like a 16 year old it would not matter anyway (there are always the very rare freak of nature possibility). and even if you are correct that no 10 year old can look like a 16 year old (and i have never seen one who does ever in my life either) the scumbag rapist can't even use this argument. and you are correct that if anyone speaks to a person they should be able to grasp the mental age, but i am not so sure that this is always true in real life. paris hilton for example talks like a retarded person. the reasonable person standard gets really scary when you have creepy judges. i mean, it is so subjective..... we need clear rules with no fuzziness allowed.

[infinitetruth]

Obviously from my previous posts you know my views on this subject but I just wanted to mention what people don't really talk about is the fact that young girls are sexual beings (as we all are) and flirting etc is a natural thing that we all practice at a young age, its part of being human. I remember acting provacative, pushy and everything else as a pre 16 teenager. Doesn't really mean that I understood the whole concept of what I was doing.

Whether or not that means I had been brainwashed by the magazines and telly I was watching I don't know, but perhaps we should take more responsibility for teaching our children, I mean we teach them about sex (sex ed) but do we really teach them about relationships (which is more important). I feel that men in particular are 'expected' to like young pretty things and often conform to this sort of brainwashing.

I know that this is really nothing to do with rape it is a completely different subject - basically this man is using a lame excuse and the judge fell for it.

[zoloko]

Once again!!!!!!!!!!!! I know what this tread is about. And I,m maybe out of "line". but stop ranting!! Let´s do something! Name any type of assault and I assure you that it happened to me and many of my friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[anoninnyc]

Once again!!!!!!!!!!!! I know what this tread is about. And I,m maybe out of "line". but stop ranting!! Let´s do something! Name any type of assault and I assure you that it happened to me and many of my friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe we were having a discussion. But you are right, we should do something about this. I am personally involved in various charitable causes. As I prefer to keep my anonymity I would rather not disclose the groups I am involved with. However I am not involved with this specific cause, but do help women and children's exploitation. I come here to this website when I am home and/or have some downtime. It am sure that you are correct that I could name a type of assault and it happened to you or one of your friends, that is the world we live in. Are you involved with local charities? Or if not, do you personally help those in need? I know nothing about you but these questions are ones we should all ask ourselves. I am aware of a wonderful woman on this website who have actually adopted children because their mother died and they had noone. You can find those posts on my "I am pregnant" thread on the medical/health forum. Just because we discuss issues or even rant does not mean that we are not doing things to help this world.