The Truth about Satanism and the Left Hand Path

[dereking]

Greetings to all

I wish to make clear that the image of Satanism and the Left Hand Path as explained by David Icke is inaccurate

I have been involved in the very "depths" of satanism for the last ten years
There is no practice of child sacrifice/molestation/manipulation by the group I have belonged to - such a thing is shunned upon and pragmatically useless to Satanism

Whether Freemasonry is behind manipulation of global events is a different story. Satanism as far as I know is against freemasonry.

Further I question David Icke as to whether he has himself seen a reptilian or seen any of the figures he has named reptilian, "shape-shift".
While I do not disagree with the possibility of "alien" influence I find his beliefs implausible without Hard Factual Proof. I have read every single book by David Icke and I find nothing but circumstantial hear-say in regards to this matter. Satanism as I have practiced is against the American presidents as well as their actions and propoganda

While there are indeed "Sinister Forces" in a very real sense in Satanism they are not what David Icke believes or explains them as

In regards to the view of an Infinite Being - where is this being? Why is IT silent to the troubles of the world and the suffering - powerless to act??
" O IT will be coming and all will be taken back in" blah blah - sound familiar
IT will always be coming
The very notion of the Infinite is beyond the understanding David Icke has given
I believe in the Infinite as does the Left Hand Path
The LHP is simply a spiritual path that embraces the world, chaos and darkness as a means to spiritual liberation with joy and fearlessness and people are responsible for their own spiritua developement
We are not into following "low-instincts" and "human evil" - this is what comes from confused ignorant humans - the majority of people who supposed intend good - trapped in the fetters of the world. How much suffering occurs in the names of "good".
But then again where is the infinite and thus purity not?
Through embracing the darkness, overcoming fear of it, we transcend and reach the infinite.

This is just a little of what I have to share to reveal the truth instead of information with no valid backing - anyone who wishes to know the truth need only do a rough preliminary study of true LHP sources to confirm what I have declared

I respect many things of David Icke but I also think it is time he was open to possiblity that he is wrong about many things - Satanism being just one of them

Derek King

[sorath]

Greetings

I have been walking down the left hand path now for about 10 years and it has made me the strong willed individual that I am today. I reject the word Satan because it is a christian term. I myself am a Luciferian.

I don't think it is important at all to explain anything regarding the left hand path. The majority of people will not understand the true nature of it and soon this thread you have started will be trolled by christians claiming the same ridiculous claims about torture and sacrifice that they have always done.

Good thread though.

[supertzar]

So what do real Satanists call actual sacrificial and abusive rituals with occult trappings, dereking?

I am not a Christian and I am not trolling, sorath. Do you believe that such rituals do not exist or that they are done by other groups, not Satanists?

[eternal_spirit]

I'm also not religious.

There's many documented cases (some famous ones) others not of people who call themselves satanists of sacrificing humans and animals to Satan, or his demons. Some victims have even been fellow Satanists in the same group as the killers.

[omegasol]

I'm also not religious.

There's many documented cases (some famous ones) others not of people who call themselves satanists of sacrificing humans and animals to Satan, or his demons. Some victims have even been fellow Satanists in the same group as the killers.

i was a member of a "satanic" organisation for a few years. i wouldn´t say that i wasted my time with all this, but i soon realised that taking part in certain activities, you know all the magic(k)al stuff etc., was nothing more like a hobby really. this may sound kinda weird, but for me that was the most uninteresting part. i still like many concepts, and you can learn quite a lot that can help you in your life, but i don´t need be a part of some group.

you peeps need to realise that the whole occult world is not homogeneous. i am sure that there are "satanic" groups that abuse (and kill in the worst case) children etc., but for 99% of the groups something like that is a no go. and 99% of these horror-stories are christian propaganda.

and: yes, for some reason icke likes to use the word "satanic". i don´t really know why. christian background or something. just replace "satanic" with "evil", makes much more sense.

[eternal_spirit]

you peeps need to realise that the whole occult world is not homogeneous. i am sure that there are "satanic" groups that abuse (and kill in the worst case) children etc., but for 99% of the groups something like that is a no go.

Us peeps know it's not all the same. I'm not labeling all satanists as bad people. Do you believe in the Jewish blood libel?

[sorath]

Do you believe that such rituals do not exist or that they are done by other groups, not Satanists?

I believe that the world is a fucked up place and regardless of your belief system, you are capable of acts that some would call satanic.

George Bush is a christian and has ordered troops into Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result people have died? Is this a christian blood ritual? I know that Bush isn't really a christian but it is an example of how far the satanic conspiracy actually goes.

Yeah I do believe there are people out there who kill children in the name of satan but to me they are no different than people like Jim Jones who killed in the name of god.

Every human is capable of commiting abhorrant acts whether it be in the name of satan, yahweh, jesus, allah, etc etc What I disagree with is that every satanist around the world is a blood drinking lunatic. This IS monotheistic religious propaganda to keep the sheep afraid.

[runciter]

George Bush is a christian


http://www.senorcafe.com/archives/BUSH%20-%20SATAN.jpg

http://www.roguegovernment.com/images/1845/bush_satan_sign.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general76/horns2.jpg

[supertzar]

I believe that the world is a fucked up place and regardless of your belief system, you are capable of acts that some would call satanic.

George Bush is a christian and has ordered troops into Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result people have died? Is this a christian blood ritual? I know that Bush isn't really a christian but it is an example of how far the satanic conspiracy actually goes.

Yeah I do believe there are people out there who kill children in the name of satan but to me they are no different than people like Jim Jones who killed in the name of god.

Every human is capable of commiting abhorrant acts whether it be in the name of satan, yahweh, jesus, allah, etc etc What I disagree with is that every satanist around the world is a blood drinking lunatic. This IS monotheistic religious propaganda to keep the sheep afraid.

I don't think David Icke is referring to nerdy, D&D playing self-styled Satanists who believe that Satanism condemns doing harm to others for personal benefit.

[supertzar]

Here is the truth:

Sacrifice can and does occur in genuine satanism

Further more if the practitioners are genuine, there is no "abuse" sexual or otherwise - bullying is an aversion to satanism and shows weakness of character. One's actions must always be honorable - epitomise the highest levels of nobility


Quite often in human sacrifice, the so-called "victim" ends their life willingly without force





Going with your premise, what about the victims who do not go willingly? Would that not be abuse?

[sorath]

I don't think David Icke is referring to nerdy, D&D playing self-styled Satanists who believe that Satanism condemns doing harm to others for personal benefit.


That is the point isn't it?

David Icke has generalised the term satanist and now his minions are espousing it as gospel.

The Christian church are the biggest blood ritual organisation on the planet.

[sorath]

http://www.senorcafe.com/archives/BUSH%20-%20SATAN.jpg

http://www.roguegovernment.com/images/1845/bush_satan_sign.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general76/horns2.jpg

Read the rest of my post!

[runciter]

Read the rest of my post!

bush is a follower of the left hand path and a luciferian like you.

[sorath]

bush is a follower of the left hand path and a luciferian like you.

;)

[runciter]

;)

lucifer is controlled by the rothschild family, you're a servant of the bankers.

[supertzar]

That is the point isn't it?

David Icke has generalised the term satanist and now his minions are espousing it as gospel.

The Christian church are the biggest blood ritual organisation on the planet.

The term Satanism is pretty well established. I don't think he has generalized it. I think his definition of Satanism is a certain brand of organized evil that practices extreme abuse on individuals and populations.

He would probably agree about the Church.

[sorath]

lucifer is controlled by the rothschild family, you're a servant of the bankers.

You really believe that?

I think you will find if you look further than wikipedia and conspiracy forums that Lucifer pre-dates any family. To me Lucifer is knowledge and wisdom and is controlled by nobody.

[runciter]

You really believe that?

I think you will find if you look further than wikipedia and conspiracy forums that Lucifer pre-dates any family. To me Lucifer is knowledge and wisdom and is controlled by nobody.

lucifer is your self-deception, the gift of not caring about others.

[sorath]

The term Satanism is pretty well established. I don't think he has generalized it. I think his definition of Satanism is a certain brand of organized evil that practices extreme abuse on individuals and populations


Organised evil? Doesn't that sound like it comes right out of the pages of a batman comic though?

If the definaition is correct then mother earth herself is a satanist!

[marpat]

bush is a follower of the left hand path and a luciferian like you.


But he goes to church and prays. He even said God told him to invade Iraq. Ergo he is a christian.

[runciter]

Organised evil? Doesn't that sound like it comes right out of the pages of a batman comic though?

If the definaition is correct then mother earth herself is a satanist!

organized evil = the banking system

it has nothing to do with mother earth.

[marpat]

lucifer is controlled by the rothschild family, you're a servant of the bankers.

lol

[sorath]

lucifer is your self-deception, the gift of not caring about others.

You know nothing but pretend you know it all. You are right in one respect, I have the gift of not caring and I am using it to not care about your ill informed OPINION!

[runciter]

But he goes to church and prays. He even said God told him to invade Iraq. Ergo he is a christian.

he's a christian impersonator, even a child can understand it.

[runciter]

You know nothing but pretend you know it all. You are right in one respect, I have the gift of not caring and I am using it to not care about your ill informed OPINION!

you made the choice of separation.

[thelonious]

he's a christian impersonator.

I think he's a prime example of the "modern Christian". His fellow Christians love him because he shares their "values". :rolleyes:

[dereking]

Where is your evidence in what you say Runciter?

Where is the hard factual proof you can supply us all with?

I know what I know from direct first hand experience

Can you say the same? Or is just what you have read from David Icke and the pictures he has organised together?

[runciter]

I think he's a prime example of the "modern Christian". His fellow Christians love him because he shares their "values". :rolleyes:

looks like he can fool some people.

[omegasol]

lucifer is controlled by the rothschild family

haha, that´s a good one.

[runciter]

Where is your evidence in what you say Runciter?

Where is the hard factual proof you can supply us all with?


proof of what, exactly?

[runciter]

haha, that´s a good one.

http://www.polo-master.com/polo_masters/megeve/photos_remisePrix07/Groupe_LCF_Rothschild.jpg

LCFR is controlled by the Rothschild family

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/18/asia/AS-China-Bank-of-China-Rothschild.php

[sorath]

proof of what, exactly?

I want you to prove the Rothchild family "control" Lucifer.

Which incidentally is the most ridiculous statement I have heard in a long time.

[eternal_spirit]

I want you to prove the Rothchild family "control" Lucifer.


You might like this though

The earliest reference to a vampiric creature occurs in a text of Late Antiquity, the "Testament of Solomon" (this is also one of the paradigmatic texts for Jewish sorcerers, because it portrays Solomon as a kind of wizard).

Behold, when the Temple of the city of Jerusalem was being built, and the artificers were working thereat, Ornias the demon came among them toward sunset; and he took away half of the pay of the chief-deviser's little boy, as well as half his food. He also continued to suck the thumb of his right hand every day. And the child grew thin, although he was very much loved by the king. So King Solomon called the boy one day, and questioned him, saying: "Do I not love thee more than all the artisans who are working in the Temple of God?

Do I not give thee double wages and a double supply of food? How is it that day by day and hour by hour thou growest thinner?"
4. But the child said to the king: "I pray thee, O king. Listen to what has befallen all that thy child hath. After we are all released from our work on the Temple of God, after sunset, when I lie down to rest, one of the evil demons comes and takes away from me one half of my pay and one half of my food. Then he also takes hold of my right hand and sucks my thumb. And lo, my soul is oppressed, and so my body waxes thinner every day."

Solomon responds to this threat by constructing a magic ring with which he enslaves this demon and, subsequently, higher orders of demons. In the end, the king uses these demon-slaves to help him construct the Temple!
Later vampire traditions appear among the Jews of medieval Rhineland, not far from the areas where flourishing Christian beliefs in blood-sucking creatures would become the basis for Bram Stoker's story. But here again, Jews have their own ideas about the nature of vampires and how to combat them. These passages come from Sefer Hasidim ("The Book of the Pious"), a wide-ranging tract on Jewish piety that includes stories about ghosts, liliths, and other paranormal things that go bump in the night:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=544299&postcount=126

Lucifer is the head demon right?

[eternal_spirit]

Lucifer is the head demon in Kabbalistic demonology. If you can control him you control all the demons under his control.

Expects a lecture about Lucifer the light bringer etc lol.

[dereking]

The Rothchild's ...hmmmm

Wealthy - true
Involved in magic - maybe

Involved in Satanism - nuuuuooooo

[sorath]

What is this fable supposed to prove? Seems just as fictional as the torah, bible and qu'ran to me.

Good bedtime story though, well done! ;)

[sorath]

Lucifer is the head demon in Kabbalistic demonology. If you can control him you control all the demons under his control.

Do you believe this?

[runciter]

The Rothchild's ...hmmmm

Wealthy - true
Involved in magic - maybe

Involved in Satanism - nuuuuooooo

satan / saturn / seth

the hexagram symbolizes saturn

the hyksos kings were seth worshippers

satan is only a name, they control that force

[runciter]

I find many of the above posts expressed by many here amusing to say the least but also clearly indicating how far off people really are!

They seek to control the Devil do they? hmmmm

Well then clearly they are practicing Judeo-Christian magic and not Satanism

Why would a Satanist treat a friend so badly?

the devil exists only in your imagination, they're messing with the earth's energy.

[eternal_spirit]

Do you believe this?
It's what some occult people believe, according to demonolgy (which is part of Kabbalah) I'm undecided.

[dereking]

satan / saturn / seth

the hexagram symbolizes saturn

the hyksos kings were seth worshippers

satan is only a name, they control that force



The Hexagram -what does the hexagram have to do with Satanism? Saturn is a planet - how is the etymology of that word connect with Satan? How does the etymology of "Seth" connect with "Satan" either. And dont pull out jargon from some order or group full of inaccuracies.

[runciter]

What is this fable supposed to prove? Seems just as fictional as the torah, bible and qu'ran to me.

Good bedtime story though, well done! ;)

where is your lucifer?

[eternal_spirit]

Let's look into the origins of the word Satan which may suprise some of you can read it here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33582




Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=474736#post474736)
http://www.rondart.com/The%20Essential%20Talmud.jpg

Look carefully at the flowery pattern, if you don't see it look again. Looks like it says Satan IMO.

Nice book not, parts about cursing Jesus Christ (confessions of his murder and reasons why) Possibly influenced the Satanic Black Mass

Looks like it says Satan IMO.

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5024/003001c8df8bcb35d49053ajn8.jpg

Zionism is the NWO.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5130/pyramidmasonxf7.gif follow the letters at the points of the hexagram aka Star of David aka Seal of Solomon it spells Mason. The red hexagram was also the sign that was used to be hung outside the Rothschild's building in Frankfurt. It's also the sign and identity of the Jewish people/religion.

[runciter]

The Hexagram -what does the hexagram have to do with Satanism? Saturn is a planet - how is the etymology of that word connect with Satan? How does the etymology of "Seth" connect with "Satan" either. And dont pull out jargon from some order or group full of inaccuracies.

i'm not entrapped in your belief system, so i can see some funny connections.

[sorath]

It's what some occult people believe, according to demonolgy (which is part of Kabbalah) I'm undecided.

Personally I don't buy into it at all.

I am anti kabbalistic as it does not lend itself to rational thinking and belongs with the judeo-christian way of thinking about a firey hell.

[runciter]

Perosnally I don't buy into it at all.

I am anti kabbalistic as it does not lend itself to rational thinking and belongs with the judeo-christian way of thinking about a firey hell.

do you believe in the existence of an entity called lucifer?

[thelonious]

Lucifer is the head demon in Kabbalistic demonology. If you can control him you control all the demons under his control.

"Lucifer" is not a character in Kabalah or Judaism. The Kabalistic devil is Samael.

Expects a lecture about Lucifer the light bringer etc lol.

Touche'. :D

[dereking]

All that seems to be presented here is Judeo-Christian formulae which I personally oppose on many levels

As for the Talmud - it is the most racist book ever written

[thelonious]

As for the Talmud - it is the most racist book ever written

You've apparently never read anything really racist, such as Mein Kampf, or KKK and Aryan Nations literature.

[omegasol]

The Hexagram -what does the hexagram have to do with Satanism? Saturn is a planet - how is the etymology of that word connect with Satan? How does the etymology of "Seth" connect with "Satan" either. And dont pull out jargon from some order or group full of inaccuracies.

dereking, looks like you think there is some *genuine* satanic - not influenced by other magical traditions - magical/ belief system. that´s so wrong. to me it looks like you were, or are on contact with some people who told you that only their way of doing thigs is the right, oops, sorry! left :p one.

[sorath]

do you believe in the existence of an entity called lucifer?

I believe in the ideal not an entity.

[eternal_spirit]

"Lucifer" is not a character in Kabalah or Judaism. The Kabalistic devil is Samael.



Touche'. :D
Okay, but what I said was Lucifer is the head demon right in Kabbalistic demonology? The biblical account is Lucifer fell out with God and left heaven and a third of the Angels followed him. (That's OT Judaism)?

He became know as the fallen angel/Lucifer/Satan therefore invocation via ritual, magic circles/symbols etc is used in demonology to conjure/invoke demons/angels etc?

:eek: No more lectures I'm off out, can catch up later though.

[eternal_spirit]

All that seems to be presented here is Judeo-Christian formulae which I personally oppose on many levels

As for the Talmud - it is the most racist book ever written
Fair enough but think you'd find the origins of the word Satan thread of interest you may have different POV but there's some info on the thread that's not well known.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33582

[thelonious]

Okay, but what I said was Lucifer is the head demon right in Kabbalistic demonology?

No, Lucifer does not appear in the Kabalah.

The biblical account is Lucifer fell out with God and left heaven and a third of the Angels followed him.

Not really. That account comes from John Milton's epic poem "Paradise Lost". There is no biblical account of a demon or devil named Lucifer.

He became know as the fallen angel/Lucifer who Therefore the invocation via ritual, magic circles/symbols etc is used in demonology to conjure/invoke demons/angels etc?

No. I've been a practicing Ceremonial Magician for over 20 years, and have worked with many occult groups over that time, and have never heard "Lucifer" used in any ritual.

In the occult, "Lucifer" is a codeword for kundalini. It has nothing to do with demons.

Goetic spirits (or "demons") are evoked by using Divine Names, not satanic ones.

[supertzar]

There is no practice of child sacrifice/molestation/manipulation by the group I have belonged to - such a thing is shunned upon and pragmatically useless to Satanism

Somehow I don't think the depths you have plumbed are all that deep. You are one of the wannabes along with the rest of your group. You don't have the guts to do what the real Satanists do, do you? You say it's useless to Satanism, but what a lie. Unless you call the people who abuse and sacrifice kids in occult rituals something other than Satanists...

[thelonious]

Actually I have read Mein Kampf

In my opinion the Talmud is more racist

Right.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

[runciter]

I and others like me have experienced the very REAL nature of Satan
If you were with me you would change you mind very quickly about the Devil simply being in your mind (although part of that is true - but incomplete)

As for messing with the Earth's energy - explain this logically to me?

Yes we manipulate energy - or as the Indians say "maya" - but what of that?

Your very actions in the mundane world - eating, drinking, thinking - do the very same thing if on a lesser scale

satan is a fairy tale invented to scare people, infinite energy is the only reality.

i can't experience the nature of satan because i am immune to that kind of fear.

[eternal_spirit]

No, Lucifer does not appear in the Kabalah.



Not really. That account comes from John Milton's epic poem "Paradise Lost". There is no biblical account of a demon or devil named Lucifer.



No. I've been a practicing Ceremonial Magician for over 20 years, and have worked with many occult groups over that time, and have never heard "Lucifer" used in any ritual.

In the occult, "Lucifer" is a codeword for kundalini. It has nothing to do with demons.

Goetic spirits (or "demons") are evoked by using Divine Names, not satanic ones.
You're going off personal experiences. But there's loads of info and I still think I was correct. Interesting about Kundalini, tell me more sometime.

Lilith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith)

"24 Sep 2007 ... [1] Lilith appears as a night demon in Jewish lore and as a screech owl in .... with the attested references to the Līlītu in Babylonian demonology. ..... She then is depicted in the Talmud and Kabbalah as first wife to Yahwehs's ..... When she and Lucifer mate, they form an androgynous being called ..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

3. demonology: Definition from Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/demonology)

"demonology n. The study of demons. Belief in or worship of demons. ... The last objective of demonologists was to assess Lucifer's routed forces .... Under the head of demons are classified only such spirits as are ... as part of the Kabbalistic tradition [21] passed down from Adam, Noah, and the Hebrew patriarchs. ..."
www.answers.com/topic/demonology

[runciter]

Right.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

talmudic lies in defense of talmudic filth, are you surprised?

[marpat]

satan is a fairy tale invented to scare people, infinite energy is the only reality.

i can't experience the nature of satan because i am immune to that kind of fear.


Satan is actually the adversary, not specifically an evil entity. Such an image only evolved through christianity. In the book of Job his task is to test Job by seeing if he could be misled. Such tests are part of the path of progress, therefore satan is a necessary factor.

[supertzar]

If you view killing children as "having guts" thats your perogative.

Whether I am a wannabe or not can only be proved in action and not words

I am aware of myself - my strengths and weaknesses
Children are not on the usual list of opfers - but people who have no character, are


Intestinal fortitude, ruthlessness, whatever you want to call it. I'm saying you won't go where the real Satanists go and you are blinded to the suffering they cause.

[marpat]

You're going off personal experiences. But there's loads of info and I still think I was correct. Interesting about Kundalini, tell me more sometime.

Lilith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith)

"24 Sep 2007 ... [1] Lilith appears as a night demon in Jewish lore and as a screech owl in .... with the attested references to the Līlītu in Babylonian demonology. ..... She then is depicted in the Talmud and Kabbalah as first wife to Yahwehs's ..... When she and Lucifer mate, they form an androgynous being called ..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

3. demonology: Definition from Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/demonology)

"demonology n. The study of demons. Belief in or worship of demons. ... The last objective of demonologists was to assess Lucifer's routed forces .... Under the head of demons are classified only such spirits as are ... as part of the Kabbalistic tradition [21] passed down from Adam, Noah, and the Hebrew patriarchs. ..."
www.answers.com/topic/demonology





The entity Lilith was actually introduced by Rabbis when trying to plug gaps in the old testament. Because certain parts of it raise questions they created myths that tried to cover these gaps and questions.

[marpat]

Intestinal fortitude, ruthlessness, whatever you want to call it. I'm saying you won't go where the real Satanists go and you are blinded to the suffering they cause.

Do you know where they go and what suffering they cause? please tell me what you have seen.

[runciter]

Satan is actually the adversary, not specifically an evil entity. Such an image only evolved through christianity. In the book of Job his task is to test Job by seeing if he could be misled. Such tests are part of the path of progress, therefore satan is a necessary factor.

necessary according to judaism.

[supertzar]

Do you know where they go and what suffering they cause? please tell me what you have seen.

I know someone who was a victim of extreme ritual abuse/mind control programming. The experiences she wrote of are almost beyond comprehension.

[thelonious]

You're going off personal experiences. But there's loads of info and I still think I was correct.

Let me put this way: there is no allusion to "Lucifer" in the authentic Kabalah. This is because:

1. The word "Lucifer" is Latin, not Hebrew. It was originally used by the Romans to denote the Greek god Apollo, and sometimes the planet Venus.

2. The word "Lucifer" was put into a Latin version of the book of Isaiah by St. Jerome, a Christian. Kabalistic Jews do not use that version of the Bible, and Jews have always interpreted that passage as referring to the king of Babylon, not the devil.


Interesting about Kundalini, tell me more sometime.



Occult tradition has it that all references to the devil in the Bible, especially in the form of a serpent, refers to the kundalini, what Eliphas Levi called the "Great Magical Agent". Or, more precisely, "Lucifer" is the kundalini force after it has risen through the Chakras and is purified. In its natural state, while still coiled before purification, it is "Satan", the angel of death and desolation.

[supertzar]

I have worked with Satanists across the world and have travelled extensively to them - with orders known and unknown

What you speak of is complete ignorance

Perhaps there are those who kill children in the name of Satan, and burn babies alive - true some have raped and said they were representing Satan - but then again - so have christians, hindus, muslims, jews

But is it not the Satanic creed to prey on the weak for personal gain?

[runciter]

I have worked with Satanists across the world and have travelled extensively to them - with orders known and unknown

What you speak of is complete ignorance

Perhaps there are those who kill children in the name of Satan, and burn babies alive - true some have raped and said they were representing Satan - but then again - so have christians, hindus, muslims, jews

human sacrifice is a common christian practice,

and of course satanists have strong moral principles.

[marpat]

necessary according to judaism.

Not really. Nobody will ever know their limits unless tested and that is where the adversary comes in. It teaches you where your strengths and weaknesses are. You problem is you just hate anything to do with Jews.

People who are afraid within try to avoid such testing because they feel they will fail and are afraid that they will not be able to overcome obstacles. Some do this by denying the very existence of the adversary because they fear challenegs and tests. Their fear keeps them from being tested very far and they go nowhere as a result because they never learn about themselves.

[marpat]

I know someone who was a victim of extreme ritual abuse/mind control programming. The experiences she wrote of are almost beyond comprehension.


You know this person personally or you know of this person?

[runciter]

Not really. Nobody will ever know their limits unless tested and that is where the adversary comes in. It teaches you where your strengths and weaknesses are. You problem is you just hate anything to do with Jews.

People who are afraid within try to avoid such testing because they feel they will fail and are afraid that they will not be able to overcome obstacles. Some do this by denying the very existence of the adversary because they fear challenegs and tests. Their fear keeps them from being tested very far and they go nowhere as a result because they never learn about themselves.

according to judaism and to your bizarre belief system.

[supertzar]

You know this person personally or you know of this person?

She is a personal friend of mine. I have known her for fourteen years.

[marpat]

according to judaism and to your bizarre belief system.

Like I said, some people are afraid of being tested so they live in denial.

Such symbols can be found in all areas of life and are not limited to judaism. Human experience is not owned by one religious group.

[marpat]

She is a personal friend of mine. I have known her for fourteen years.

So who abused her?

[supertzar]

I can't put her information out there like that, marpat. At this time it is more than enough to mention it.

[runciter]

Like I said, some people are afraid of being tested so they live in denial.

Such symbols can be found in all areas of life and are not limited to judaism. Human experience is not owned by one religious group.

i can understand your ideology, and i know what it's based on.

this is why i say it's a bizarre belief system: it's a vicious circle.

[supertzar]

There is no practice of child sacrifice/molestation/manipulation by the group I have belonged to - such a thing is shunned upon and pragmatically useless to Satanism

I am saying that is a lie, whether born of ignorance or bad intent. Satanists do use ritual abuse and it is certainly not useless to them. They get mind controlled slaves to satisfy their sick desires and further their agenda out of it.

[dereking]

I am saying that is a lie, whether born of ignorance or bad intent. Satanists do use ritual abuse and it is certainly not useless to them. They get mind controlled slaves to satisfy their sick desires and further their agenda out of it.

Prove it

[marpat]

i can understand your ideology, and i know what it's based on.

this is why i say it's a bizarre belief system: it's a vicious circle.

Its based on life!!! did you ever learn anything worthwhile? did you not feel that such learning experiences were trials or tests and did you not achieve anything which made you feel as if you had succeeded against adversity?

If you think overcoming limitations is a bizarre belief structure then I take it you have achieved nothing.

[dereking]

Silence

Well I have to go - time to rest the body:)

[marpat]

I am saying that is a lie, whether born of ignorance or bad intent. Satanists do use ritual abuse and it is certainly not useless to them. They get mind controlled slaves to satisfy their sick desires and further their agenda out of it.


We could argue that christians use abuse too. There are many documented accounts of such things as well as cover ups. And lets not forget the muslims and Jews as well.

We could aruge in that respect that many catholic priests are actually satanists.

[supertzar]

Prove it

I don't believe in proof, but I do believe in considering evidence. I am such a skeptic I doubt it somewhat myself. Not that much, though, because I know people who have experienced ritual abuse and live the aftermath every day.

[supertzar]

We could argue that christians use abuse too. There are many documented accounts of such things as well as cover ups. And lets not forget the muslims and Jews as well.

We could aruge in that respect that many catholic priests are actually satanists.

Certainly.

[runciter]

Its based on life!!! did you ever learn anything worthwhile? did you not feel that such learning experiences were trials or tests and did you not achieve anything which made you feel as if you had succeeded against adversity?

If you think overcoming limitations is a bizarre belief structure then I take it you have achieved nothing.

i'm not willing to impose my suffering on others, creating a worldview out of it.

[marpat]

i'm not willing to impose my suffering on others, creating a worldview out of it.

Nobody is talking abut imposing suffering here, I am talking about overcoming adversity. Cant you tell the difference?

[supertzar]

Further I question David Icke as to whether he has himself seen a reptilian or seen any of the figures he has named reptilian, "shape-shift".

This is kind of tangential to the topic, but if you read the books you would know that Icke saw Ted Heath's eyes turn black when they were face to face.

[supertzar]

I thought I told you I don't believe in proof. You said you doubt Icke has seen a shapeshifter. I told you what he said and that's the extent of it.

[dereking]

I thought I told you I don't believe in proof. You said you doubt Icke has seen a shapeshifter. I told you what he said and that's the extent of it.

So you just believe hear-say without actual evidence to support it?

[supertzar]

Who said I believe it? If I stated it as a fact it was a form of shorthand. It is a matter of course that I don't believe a personal anecdote like that. I was letting you know that he did talk about that episode in one of his books.

Note: I draw a distinction between not believing something and disbelieving it. Follow?

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=442005&postcount=42

from the Biggest Secret Chapter 15: David Icke.

[thirdwave]

what gets me is how people who mock the reptilian thing never seem to come up with ideas on why so many old civilisations.. Mayans/Aztecs... Sumerian's.. Hoppie Indians... Ancient Africans... all worshipped or had historical beliefs in reptilians gods or beings...

Add that with the fact the planet was once crawling with masses of Reptilian creatures before we even came here... and there is more than enough to at least be suspicious.

[runciter]

Nobody is talking abut imposing suffering here, I am talking about overcoming adversity. Cant you tell the difference?

you're attracting violence and suffering in this reality, with your beliefs.

[thirdwave]

you're attracting violence and suffering in this reality, with your beliefs.

Is he??

interesting, care to elaborate as I do not think he comes across as a person promoting violence...

??

[runciter]

Is he??

interesting, care to elaborate as I do not think he comes across as a person promoting violence...

??

i wrote he's attracting violence, not promoting it.

ever heard about the law of attraction? i think it's real.

[thirdwave]

But he goes to church and prays. He even said God told him to invade Iraq. Ergo he is a christian.

I think the way it works for them is.... those who are associated with the occult or luciferian stuff are all evil....

but those who are evil are are associated with Christianity are not really Christians...

it just works for them that way i guess...

[thirdwave]

i wrote he's attracting violence, not promoting it.

ever heard about the law of attraction? i think it's real.

yes i know what's what you wrote.. and i said could you explain as he does not seem like that kind of person...

how is he manifesting it?



for example... his sig he has chosen does not look like any kind of violence manifesto.

[runciter]

I think the way it works for them is.... those who are associated with the occult or luciferian stuff are all evil....

but those who are evil are are associated with Christianity are not really Christians...

it just works for them that way i guess...

i'm sure you truly believe bush is a christian, of the skull & bones kind.

[runciter]

yes i know what's what you wrote.. and i said could you explain as he does not seem like that kind of person...

how is he manifesting it?



for example... his sig he has chosen does not look like any kind of violence manifesto.

i could say the same about you, given that you don't like to look at the cause of suffering.

[omegasol]

i wrote he's attracting violence, not promoting it.

well yes, you wrote that he is attracting violence. but why did you write it? i don´t understand how you came to that conclusion. (i know can´t expect an answer from runciter...).

[thirdwave]

i'm sure you truly believe bush is a christian, of the skull & bones kind.

No, and You must know this as I have stated that quite a few times, but it seems in order for you to express your self you need to ignore the views of others to make your point.

I dont think Bush is a Christian and I think there is a good chance he knows what it is really all about....

[runciter]

well yes, you wrote that he is attracting violence. but why did you write it? i don´t understand how you came to that conclusion. (i know can´t expect an answer from runciter...).

i think marpat knows what i'm talking about,

but if he has some questions i'll be glad to clarify.

[thirdwave]

i could say the same about you, given that you don't like to look at the cause of suffering.

again there is not much I can say if you want to create others outlooks....

If you want to think that I don't like to address the cause of suffering then you are free to think that, but when you starting making 0 sense as a result you will only have your self to blame.

[runciter]

again there is not much I can say if you want to create others outlooks....

If you want to think that I don't like to address the cause of suffering then you are free to think that, but when you starting making 0 sense as a result you will only have your self to blame.

i'm misunderstood by little luciferiks, this is my tragedy.

[dereking]

So what are you attracting at the moment Runciter?

[runciter]

So what are you attracting at the moment Runciter?

little crowleys.

[dereking]

So what does that say about you?

[runciter]

So what does that say about you?

that i want to talk with them.

[dereking]

Excuse me while I flush the toilet

[eternal_spirit]

Excuse me while I flush the toilet

Why waste good shit? Yesterday you where revelling in the fact that you like to eat shit and drink piss and puke.

[dereking]

Why waste good shit? Yesterday you where revelling in the fact that you like to eat shit and drink piss and puke.

Thats true but I was referring to Runciter and his comments :) - use of language

[eternal_spirit]

Thats true but I was referring to Runciter and his comments :) - use of language
I know but couldn't resist. Everyone has opinions or info they've read. Can you tell us of some of your experiences, maybe name groups, or any info would be good?:)

[runciter]

while you're playing your college games, someone is devouring all your freedom.

[dereking]

while you're playing your college games, someone is devouring all your freedom.

What strikes me is how appropriately that may apply to you

[runciter]

What strikes me is how appropriately that may apply to you

do you know how "magic" works? it's about interacting with energy.

[thirdwave]

do you know how "magic" works? it's about interacting with energy.

go on...

[thirdwave]

i'm misunderstood by little luciferiks, this is my tragedy.

lol Luciferik?

I understand you completely, I just don't think you understand you.

[thirdwave]

I know but couldn't resist. Everyone has opinions or info they've read. Can you tell us of some of your experiences, maybe name groups, or any info would be good?:)

lol makes me laugh when you say this.... what do you expect them to say?

Do you know what a ritual is?.... there are many many books written by people who you would call a Satanist, why not read them your self?

have you ever read a book written by an occultist?

[supertzar]

You think the really heinous rituals where they abuse kids are described in books written by occultists?

[sorath]

I know but couldn't resist. Everyone has opinions or info they've read. Can you tell us of some of your experiences, maybe name groups, or any info would be good?:)


You disagree with everything said by the evil, nasty satanists but you want all the juicey details. HA

[signs]

Going with your premise, what about the victims who do not go willingly? Would that not be abuse?

That is my concern and i think Ickes as well ,that any person, group, Satanic or not, that IMPOSES its will on another WITHOUT that persons approval, is by that act SINISTER.That i think was what Icke was getting at in his books when highlighting groups or occult fraternities, to impose ones will on another without consent is a direct violation of that person's RIGHT to free will.:cool:

[runciter]

go on...

i will do it if derek comes back.

[supertzar]

That is my concern and i think Ickes as well ,that any person, group, Satanic or not, that IMPOSES its will on another WITHOUT that persons approval, is by that act SINISTER.That i think was what Icke was getting at in his books when highlighting groups or occult fraternities, to impose ones will on another without consent is a direct violation of that person's RIGHT to free will.:cool:

Yeah, it's not about labeling anyone. It's about exposing people who do harm to others.

[signs]

There is i think organised and intelligent positive evil, i have read several books on the occult, mainly the Kabbala and its tree of life.The tree of life has frequencies of positive and negative forces which relate to all frequencies but as with everything it has a positive negative other side and this is the realms of intelligent organised evil.As the Kabbal tree of life has archangels or higher intelligent beings so does its opposite the Quipoth , it has demonic forces who seek to corrupt and destroy life forces (souls) for its OWN ends.Dion Fortune the occult writer and practitioner spoke of its existence in some of her books and many an occult writer/ practitioner warns of the real dangers of the quick sand of entrapment for those who practise the reverse of the tree of life. Crowley did say that to fail in mastering the demonic,(intelligent/organised evil), before doing any kind of ceremonial occult magik was dangerous and leftyou at the mercy of demonic possession.Possession is 9 tenths of the law eh?:eek:

[eternal_spirit]

lol makes me laugh when you say this.... what do you expect them to say?

Do you know what a ritual is?.... there are many many books written by people who you would call a Satanist, why not read them your self?

have you ever read a book written by an occultist?
dereking claims he's been involved with Satanism for years it's a rare occasion someone posts here who's been involved, don't you wanna hear what he's got to say about his experiences.

So don't know what you got your nickers in a twist over and the stupid questions and presumptions.

[size_of_light]

There is i think organised and intelligent positive evil, i have read several books on the occult, mainly the Kabbala and its tree of life.

Positive evil?

Can you explain what's meant by that?

[signs]

Yeah, it's not about labeling anyone. It's about exposing people who do harm to others.

Spot on, i agree, some people fail to see in Ickes books the bigger picture of what he is trying to expose and the metaphors like satanic he uses to describe the organisations that are doing the real harm to people.

[runciter]

mainly the Kabbala and its tree of life.


kabbalists are among the sickest people of this planet, and they're masters in deception.

illuminati magick is based on kabbalah, and includes any kind of depravity: completely amoral.

[thelonious]

kabbalists are the most sick people of this planet, and they're masters in deception.

I doubt you even know what a Kabalist is.

[runciter]

I doubt you even know what a Kabalist is.

a wizard who has completely lost his humanity.

[thelonious]

a wizard who has completely lost his humanity.

I've been a Kabalist for probably longer than you've been alive. You would do well to try to actually learn something instead of dwelling in paranoid fantasy.

[runciter]

I've been a Kabalist for probably longer than you've been alive. You would do well to try to actually learn something instead of dwelling in paranoid fantasy.

are you jewish?

[signs]

Positive evil?

Can you explain what's meant by that?

In the tree of life we have different frequencies influencing forces like positive and negative , we can see that building a house and the forces that go into it are a positive good.Then we have ,say the forces that destroy the house , to build a better one , negative but needed forces.Now positive evil does not serve the function of the negative force that destroyed the building , it is by itself a organised positive EVIL which serves none of the above metaphors but only seeks to serve its self at no matter the cost to other forces.Now that kind of force or frequency is seeking a existence of its own ,it is pure chaos in its being but has gained self awareness and in doing so has become ORGANISED POSITIVE EVIL ,in a sort of a nut shell you could call it UNBALANCED ORGANISED EVIL.:eek: Not saying or claiming this is all true but just thinking aloud what i have read on the subject and it sort of had me wondering.:confused: I would recommended a book that goes into greater detail on this subject ,the book is called , THE COSMIC DOCTRINE, by Dion Fortune.:)

[runciter]

mind control, "positive evil" is orwellian doublethink.

positive evil = the destruction of iraq on zionist request

[dereking]

Here is what I know and it must be repeated

Have a open mind and an open heart but do not forget your reason and basic logical thinking.

Read a book by people who are genuinely in the know and make concrete comparisons with what you discover

I know David Icke is wrong because what he only talks about and writes or hears of I have been involved in
There is way too much ignorance here and infighting - everyone is trying to prove the other wrong with quick come backs and table-tennis debates that go no where.

Stop typing and go out into the open world and discover the truth for yourself

The internet has become such a sick place with total stupidity - honestly

I decided to come on this thing and see if there were a people with clear vision and I only found one or two out of a hundred - I was going to only be on this thing for 2 days - a limit because there is real work to in the real world

Satanism is not going to be found or understood on this website - perhaps insights into a real conspiracy with men who want money and power - but not much substance - no facts

It is so sad and pathetic the state of affairs found here

[size_of_light]

Here is what I know and it must be repeated

Have a open mind and an open heart but do not forget your reason and basic logical thinking.

Read a book by people who are genuinely in the know and make concrete comparisons with what you discover

I know David Icke is wrong because what he only talks about and writes or hears of I have been involved in
There is way too much ignorance here and infighting - everyone is trying to prove the other wrong with quick come backs and table-tennis debates that go no where.

Stop typing and go out into the open world and discover the truth for yourself

The internet has become such a sick place with total stupidity - honestly

I decided to come on this thing and see if there were a people with clear vision and I only found one or two out of a hundred - I was going to only be on this thing for 2 days - a limit because there is real work to in the real world

Satanism is not going to be found or understood on this website - perhaps insights into a real conspiracy with men who want money and power - but not much substance - no facts

It is so sad and pathetic the state of affairs found here

I don't believe you two gentlemen have met:

dereking - Lord Reptoid.

Lord Reptoid - dereking.

[signs]

kabbalists are among the sickest people of this planet, and they're masters in deception.

illuminati magick is based on kabbalah, and includes any kind of depravity: completely amoral.

Like all practises there are ones who use this term and do the opposite of it. illuminati magick IS BASED ON THE OPPOSITE of the kabbalists tree of life , its called the QUOIPTH it is a pure demonic and evil opposite of the true kabbalists tree of life .This is explained in many books on the kabbalists tree of life ,were the demonic or positive organised evil frequencies or forces can be practised or summoned by those who HIDE behind the name kabbalists.

[thelonious]

are you jewish?

No, I'm a Hermetic Qabalist. The Jewish Kabalah, in the end, was just a rip-off of the Greek Hermetic model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Qabalah

[runciter]

No, I'm a Hermetic Qabalist. The Jewish Kabalah, in the end, was just a rip-off of the Greek Hermetic model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Qabalah

when i say kabbalists, i mean jewish kabbalists.

[sorath]

Here is what I know and it must be repeated

Have a open mind and an open heart but do not forget your reason and basic logical thinking.

Read a book by people who are genuinely in the know and make concrete comparisons with what you discover

I know David Icke is wrong because what he only talks about and writes or hears of I have been involved in
There is way too much ignorance here and infighting - everyone is trying to prove the other wrong with quick come backs and table-tennis debates that go no where.

Stop typing and go out into the open world and discover the truth for yourself

The internet has become such a sick place with total stupidity - honestly

I decided to come on this thing and see if there were a people with clear vision and I only found one or two out of a hundred - I was going to only be on this thing for 2 days - a limit because there is real work to in the real world

Satanism is not going to be found or understood on this website - perhaps insights into a real conspiracy with men who want money and power - but not much substance - no facts

It is so sad and pathetic the state of affairs found here

I would say that you could bow out gracefully. You have stated your views with intelligence and an openess that has ruffled the feathers of some. They will continue to pick at your head like the psychic vampyres they are.

Ave Lucifer

[runciter]

Like all practises there are ones who use this term and do the opposite of it. illuminati magick IS BASED ON THE OPPOSITE of the kabbalists tree of life , its called the QUOIPTH it is a pure demonic and evil opposite of the true kabbalists tree of life .This is explained in many books on the kabbalists tree of life ,were the demonic or positive organised evil frequencies or forces can be practised or summoned by those who HIDE behind the name kabbalists.

jewish kabbalists are racial supremacists, good means "good for the jews".

[thelonious]

jewish kabbalists are racial supremacists, good means "good for the jews".

I've known quite a few Jewish Kabalists, and none of them have been "racial supremacists". Besides, Jews aren't a "race". They are a religion, and anybody can become one. Sammy Davis, Jr., for example, became a Jew.

Many modern Jewish Kabalists understand the cross-over effect of the Kabalah. Rabbi David Cooper was raised Jewish, but became a Buddhist in the '60's. He eventually went back to his birth religion after discovering the Kabalah, which can be described as "Jewish Buddhism".

Donald Michael Kraig was raised Jewish, and began studying the Jewish Kabalah. He eventually discovered that most of the Jewish Kabalah had been borrowed from earlier Gentile sources, so he left Judaism altogether and became a Hermeticist.

[runciter]

I would say that you could bow out gracefully. You have stated your views with intelligence and an openess that has ruffled the feathers of some. They will continue to pick at your head like the psychic vampyres they are.


yes at least he has the honesty of telling clearly what he thinks.


Ave Lucifer


vade retro.

[sorath]

I've known quite a few Jewish Kabalists, and none of them have been "racial supremacists". Besides, Jews aren't a "race". They are a religion, and anybody can become one. Sammy Davis, Jr., for example, became a Jew.

Many modern Jewish Kabalists understand the cross-over effect of the Kabalah. Rabbi David Cooper was raised Jewish, but became a Buddhist in the '60's. He eventually went back to his birth religion after discovering the Kabalah, which can be described as "Jewish Buddhism".

Donald Michael Kraig was raised Jewish, and began studying the Jewish Kabalah. He eventually discovered that most of the Jewish Kabalah had been borrowed from earlier Gentile sources, so he left Judaism altogether and became a Hermeticist.

I don't know why you bother. You are clearly trying to educate someone who clearly knows it all!

[runciter]

I've known quite a few Jewish Kabalists, and none of them have been "racial supremacists". Besides, Jews aren't a "race". They are a religion, and anybody can become one. Sammy Davis, Jr., for example, became a Jew.


judaism is a religion based on "racial" supremacism.

[runciter]

I don't know why you bother. You are clearly trying to educate someone who clearly knows it all!

i'm not easy to manipulate, monsieur le chiffre.

[sorath]

i'm not easy to manipulate, monsieur le chiffre.

There is a distinction between manipulation and ignorance.

[signs]

jewish kabbalists are racial supremacists, good means "good for the jews".

I have never mentioned jewish kabbalists once in my posts , anyone can become or UNDERSTAND THE kabbalists TREE OF LIFE.What i was trying to describe was the meaning of organised positive evil, it can take many forms and it cares not if you are a Jew or Hindu.The kabbalists tree of life is practise by many people and oculists who are neither Jew or Hindu. Your above reply is not a concern of mine as those who do practise the real kabbalists TREE OF LIFE have no time or NEED for name set boundaries as it is realised that those who choose war death and destruction to further their belief or personal goals are open to possession from the lower Quiothpeic organised and intelligent evil frequencies.Once in their grasp it is very hard to free ones self.:cool:

[thelonious]

judaism is a religion based on "racial" supremacism.

It's based on tribal supremacism, not racial supremacism. It's the Old Testament religion, and even back then, anybody could join the House of Israel through confession of faith and circumcision.

It should be noted that Kabalistic Jews are the ones who don't take that stuff literally. Kabalists interpret the Scriptures metaphorically, and take the mystical viewpoint that "all are one", which makes racism absurd.

[marpat]

judaism is a religion based on "racial" supremacism.

Unlike the christian faith, who believe they are the only ones who will get into heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[runciter]

I have never mentioned jewish kabbalists once in my posts , anyone can become or UNDERSTAND THE kabbalists TREE OF LIFE.What i was trying to describe was the meaning of organised positive evil, it can take many forms and it cares not if you are a Jew or Hindu.The kabbalists tree of life is practise by many people and oculists who are neither Jew or Hindu. Your above reply is not a concern of mine as those who do practise the real kabbalists TREE OF LIFE have no time or NEED for name set boundaries as it is realised that those who choose war death and destruction to further their belief or personal goals are open to possession from the lower Quiothpeic organised and intelligent evil frequencies.Once in their grasp it is very hard to free ones self.:cool:

the kabbalistic tree of life was created by people with mental problems of the illuminati kind.

[runciter]

It's based on tribal supremacism, not racial supremacism. It's the Old Testament religion, and even back then, anybody could join the House of Israel through confession of faith and circumcision.

It should be noted that Kabalistic Jews are the ones who don't take that stuff literally. Kabalists interpret the Scriptures metaphorically, and take the mystical viewpoint that "all are one", which makes racism absurd.

it's a religion based on separation, they would never share their secrets with a gentile.

"all are one" is always referred to the jews, like the opening sentence in "schindler's list".

[runciter]

Unlike the christian faith, who believe they are the only ones who will get into heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

heaven is already here, the problem is that it's currently beyond our perception.

[xpleet]

"Satan" certainly has many names and he's not only of his kind, the demiurges. He's a master mind who lures and entraps everyone on chance.

Luciferian/Satanists might sense a special sense of freedom on their "path" which is basically an open invitation to darkness and a total abyss of their consciousness. Darkness might befriend and reward you all day long, only to gain your trust so it can eventually stab your back at full thrust.


Be warned.

[signs]

the kabbalistic tree of life was created by people with mental problems of the illuminati kind.



This is the Kabblistic tree of life i was referring to from the start of my posts.



Hermetic Kabbalah

The Western Esoteric (or Hermetic) Tradition, a precursor to both the neo-Pagan and New Age movements, differs from the Jewish form in being a more admittedly syncretistic system. However it shares many concepts with Jewish Kabbalah.

Hermetic Kabbalah probably reached its peak in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, a 19th-century organization that was arguably the pinnacle of ceremonial magic (or, depending upon one's position, its ultimate descent into decadence).

Within the Golden Dawn, Kabbalistic principles such as the ten Sephiroth were fused with Greek and Egyptian deities, the Enochian system of angelic magic of John Dee, and certain Eastern (particularly Hindu and Buddhist) concepts within the structure of a Masonic- or Rosicrucian-style esoteric order. Many of the Golden Dawn's rituals were published by the legendary occultist Aleister Crowley and were eventually compiled into book form by Israel Regardie, an author of some note. The credibility of Crowley is inconsistent at best, though, as many of the rituals published were actually manipulated versions.

Crowley made his mark on the use of Kabbalah with several of his writings; of these, perhaps the most illustrative is Liber 777. This book is quite simply a set of tables relating various parts of ceremonial magic and Eastern and Western religion to thirty-two numbers representing the ten spheres and twenty-two paths of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life.

The attitude of syncretism embraced by Hermetic Kabbalists is plainly evident here, as one may simply check the table to see that Chesed "Mercy" - corresponds to Jupiter, Isis, the color blue (on the Queen Scale), Poseidon, Brahma, and amethysts. These associations are not shared with the Jewish Kabbalah.

Although popular within certain groups, especially the Thelemic Orders such as the O.T.O., Crowley is not without critics. Dion Fortune, a fellow initiate of the Golden Dawn, disagreed with Crowley. Samael Aun Weor has many significant works that discuss Kabbalah within many religions, such as the Egyptian, Pagan, and Central American religions, which is summarized in his work The Initiatic Path in the Arcana of Tarot and Kabbalah.



Many people are searching to find their own answers to WHY we are here and what is this thing called existence , even today, to label everybody who discovered it or uses it to have mental problems of the illuminati kind is your view and your are entitled to it but the MAIN problem here is ignorance of were it originated and labelling it illuminati.There are a few who do abuse it and they are the illuminati but lets not tare everyone with their brush.:cool:

[sorath]

"Satan" certainly has many names and he's not only of his kind, the demiurges. He's a master mind who lures and entraps everyone on chance.

Luciferian/Satanists might sense a special sense of freedom on their "path" which is basically an open invitation to darkness and a total abyss of their consciousness. Darkness might befriend and reward you all day long, only to gain your trust so it can eventually stab your back at full thrust.


Be warned.

You speak from experience or religious fervour?

[runciter]

Many people are searching to find their own answers to WHY we are here and what is this thing called existence , even today, to label everybody who discovered it or uses it to have mental problems of the illuminati kind is your view and your are entitled to it but the MAIN problem here is ignorance of were it originated and labelling it illuminati.There are a few who do abuse it and they are the illuminati but lets not tare everyone with their brush.:cool:


but hermetism is also based on separation, it's another cul-de-sac.

[thelonious]

but hermetism is also based on separation, it's another cul-de-sac.

Separation? What do you mean?

Hermeticism is based on the underlying causes and meanings of reality. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Tree of Life is simply a map, both of the universe (macrocosm) and of the individual (microcosm). It is a tool of convenience, which allows us to organize and scrutinize abstract ideas. Through it, we can trace man's relationship to God, to himself, and to each other.

The Tree of Life is indispensable, not only by Hermetic philosophers, but by everyone seeking the higher truths.

[runciter]

Separation? What do you mean?

Hermeticism is based on the underlying causes and meanings of reality. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Tree of Life is simply a map, both of the universe (macrocosm) and of the individual (microcosm). It is a tool of convenience, which allows us to organize and scrutinize abstract ideas. Through it, we can trace man's relationship to God, to himself, and to each other.

The Tree of Life is indispensable, not only by Hermetic philosophers, but by everyone seeking the higher truths.

there are two problems:

1. to handle this "map" you have to re-program yourself

2. people who created this map may have been not completely sane

and, most important of all:

-- it is a source of limitation, energies should flow freely and not be entrapped

(and obviously it is not intended for everyone, hence the separation)

[marpat]

heaven is already here, the problem is that it's currently beyond our perception.


Beyond your perception, yet you believe you are awakened.

[runciter]

Beyond your perception, yet you believe you are awakened.

heaven is a collective condition, everything else is self-deception.

[marpat]

there are two problems:

1. to handle this "map" you have to re-program yourself

2. people who created this map may have been not completely sane

and, most important of all:

-- it is a source of limitation, energies should flow freely and not be entrapped

(and obviously it is not intended for everyone, hence the separation)

Nope it is a map of consciousness.

Who are you to judge their sanity?

Yet David Icke uses the chakra system which is another variant of the tree of life and is also a subjective phenomena rather than a universal energy system. The chakra system is used in a manner very similar to the tree of life in that people associate idea with each centre, etc.

[runciter]

Nope it is a map of consciousness.

Who are you to judge their sanity?

Yet David Icke uses the chakra system which is another variant of the tree of life and is also a subjective phenomena rather than a universal energy system. The chakra system is used in a manner very similar to the tree of life in that people associate idea with each centre, etc.

it can be a map of the body's energies, this would make some sense.

[marpat]

it can be a map of the body's energies, this would make some sense.

That is another aspect of it but there are so many aspects to it that to say it is one or the other is just limiting the vision and application.

Some say the tree is a map of forces not things.

The only way you can really learn from the system and appreciate its depth is by meditating on its symbolism and how symbols relate to each other. By doing this deeper patterns become clear. If people stick to jusy a superficial view of the symbols they will never trulu understand a lot of the hidden, deeper meanings.

If people are afraid to mediate on this system because they fear they are being programmed or they hate anything related to the jews then that is their loss.

[thelonious]

there are two problems:

1. to handle this "map" you have to re-program yourself

No, you have to think.

2. people who created this map may have been not completely sane

The Tree of Life is just a way to organize numbers, and to correspond them to ideas. Pythagoras did the same thing with the Tetractys, which almost certainly influenced the creation of the Kabalistic Tree of Life.




-- it is a source of limitation, energies should flow freely and not be entrapped

(and obviously it is not intended for everyone, hence the separation)

It cannot be a source of limitation, becuase it is encompasses everything. Ain Soph means Without Limit.

[signs]

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=24&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greatdreams.com%2Ftreeol.htm&ei=5IOUSZvEDYyu-gbw65z8CA&usg=AFQjCNFuiolAVcFjnlqZ6_PA_OCVDTgK9A&sig2=O51vwJyWsHYhYE8IkogeAQ


the above story on the tree of life crop formation is very interesting , worth a read, hope the above link works.:rolleyes:

[signs]

There is so much more to know or even meets the eye, so to speak about this Tree Of Life.






An Innovative Re-ordering of the Paths

on the Qabalistic Tree of Life



The Qabalistic Paths of the Major Arcana in The Kingdom Within Tarot are distinctive in that they are based on “The Restored Tree of Life” as proposed by Aleister Crowley’s star initiate, Charles Stansfield Jones (who wrote under the pen name Frater Achad.) For an enlightened article on Frater Achad, his revolutionary ideas, his relationship with Aleister Crowley, and this present Age of Humanity, CLICK HERE!



After achieving high distinction within Crowley’s organization for his revolutionary epiphanies and insights into the Tree of Life, Achad found himself asking a rather obvious question: If Qabalah teaches that the serpent of wisdom ascends the tree, how can the Paths begin at the top and descend? He began the radical exploration of reordering the paths so that they began at the bottom rather than the top, creating a model that, quite simply, works. The Kingdom Within Tarot (using the Restored Tree of Life as conceived by Frater Achad) expands beyond previous tarot decks to create a workable model that is easily accessible and universal to any model of Truth. To read the original texts of Frater Achad’s Q.B.L. or The Egyptian Revival, CLICK HERE!

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THE KINGDOM WITHIN TAROT

The “Restored” Tree of Life

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By: Juno Lucina



Anyone who has studied Qabalah prior to working with The Kingdom Within Tarot will quickly recognize that the Paths on these Major Arcana cards do not correspond to the traditional Paths as they are generally taught by many metaphysical texts at present. Almost all contemporary Qabalah and Tarot books are based on the Paths as introduced by a sixteenth century Jesuit philosopher named Athanasius Kircher (although Kircher’s planetary attributions to each Sephirah differ considerably from those that are popularly taught today) and further developed by such famous occultists as S.L. Macgregor Mathers and Aleister Crowley. However, before Kircher’s Tree of Life became the common model in the West, there were two alternative placements of the Paths by renowned Jewish mystics, one suggested by Rabbi Luria and the second proposed by Rabbi Eliyahu. Even today, Jewish Kabbalists do not utilize Kircher’s model. In addition, there are two other famous French models whose principle advocates were Papus and Oswald Wirth, as well as an alternate system based upon Jacob’s Ladder which was developed by one faction of the Golden Dawn; some Tarot historians suggest that Arthur Edward Waite had this final system in mind when he and Pamela Colman-Smith created their popular tarot deck.



My purpose in this brief history lesson of the Paths is neither to challenge Kircher’s model, nor to suggest a return to an earlier model; I merely point out that Qabalah is neither a dogmatic religion:) nor a set of strict laws which must be followed in order to attain enlightenment.:) Instead, it is a spiritual discipline with room for considerable creativity, and there are many equally viable substitutes to the Paths as they are commonly taught today.:)



The Paths of The Kingdom Within Tarot are distinctive in that they are based upon The Restored Tree of Life as put forth by Aleister Crowley’s star initiate, Charles Stansfield Jones (who wrote under the pen name Frater [meaning “brother” in Latin] Achad [AChD means “unity” or “one” in Hebrew]) from his two ground-breaking manuscripts: Q.B.L. (or The Bride’s Reception) and The Egyptian Revival (or The Ever-Coming Son in The Light of The Tarot.) Both may be found on the Internet for the curious scholar; neither is currently copyrighted material. After achieving high distinction within Crowley’s organization for his revolutionary epiphanies and insights into the Tree of Life, Achad (whom Crowley dubbed his "spiritual son") found himself asking a rather obvious question: If Qabalah teaches that the serpent of wisdom ascends the tree, how can the Paths begin at the top and descend? He began the radical exploration of reordering the paths so that they began at the bottom rather than the top. Among other vital discoveries that I will discuss in a few paragraphs, he found that the pictorial symbolism of the Paths gained substantial importance when placed from the bottom to the top of the Tree, and that the Tree itself gained a universal significance as the reordering of the Paths created the imagery of the Caduceus, the Ankh, and the Holy Grail (along with the already recognized Cross of Elements and the Star of David).



Achad eventually proposed his altered Paths, a reordering that in Q.B.L. he called the “Third Order” and suspected to be “the reconstruction of the Original Qabalistic Plan…which may help Humanity to regain the Crown [of Kether] more easily than of yore.” These “new” Paths were received by his contemporaries with great accolades and excitement, except for the contradicting opinion of one very important person: Master Therion (Aleister Crowley) himself. Although Crowley admitted the “brilliance” of the altered Tree, he was unwilling to embrace it, as its acceptance would demand a complete restructuring of the initiatory steps of his Order. Achad, however, stated in Q.B.L. that, “it suggests that there was an Absolute Reason in the Primitive Universal Tradition, though this became Lost to view as time went on” and in The Egyptian Revival he asserted that, “If this ‘New’ arrangement is correct, it will prove itself to be so in the minds of those who study it in an unbiased manner.”



So what does Egyptian mythology have to do with Qabalah? According to Frater Achad, when the Sephiroth Malkuth (the four-colored circle at the bottom of the Qabalistic Tree of Life) and Kether (the white circle at the top) are united in the Sephirah Tiphereth (the yellow circle in the middle), then Ra-Hoor-Khuit (the active aspect of the Egyptian god Horus, the tangible projection of Hadit in the physical universe) takes his throne as the “Ever-coming Holy Son” of the Kingdom Within, resurrecting the fallen individual.



Who, exactly, is this “fallen individual”? It is not the physical body, the emotions, nor the mind, for all these cease. Tarot calls it the Fool, the Romans called it a person’s Genius or Juno, Neo-platonists called it the Augoeides, Gnostics called it the Daemon, Christians call it the Spirit, Occultists call it our True Will or Holy Guardian Angel, Scientology calls it the Thetan, Buddhism calls it the Buddha Within or the Watcher, the New Age movement often calls it the True Self. It is the vital spark, the individuated life force, the static with no form, the center seat of consciousness, will, and perception. It exists apart from the realm of dualities (it is neither good nor evil, neither happy nor sad, neither male nor female). For most of humanity, it is obscured and buried beneath layers and layers of avidyā, often mistaken for the personality or the ego; sometimes it is even confused with a glorified delusion of our own “true nature” or “higher self”, as though the individual we are today is somehow lacking or sinful and awaits unification with what we truly are to meant to be. Actually, the True Self is what we truly are right now—both aside from, and including, our body, emotions, mind, culture, personality, experiences, conditioning, aberration, and trauma; for although these layers are not the essence of our True Self, they are its current state. In its restoration we discover our true sovereign state, our Kingdom Within. It is the process of this restoration that Crowley called the “Great Work”.



Frater Achad’s Restored Tree of Life reveals the blueprint of this vital restoration. It is a model of classification, a sort of enormous filing cabinet that catalogs and provides crucial insight into the various building blocks of existence. The Kingdom Within Tarot provides an image-based system for acquainting oneself with these building blocks. In order to fully understand the Qabalistic Symbology of each card, it is essential to meditate upon each image of the Major Arcana cards. Their visual imagery has been carefully crafted to guide the spirit to recall through archetypal symbology the higher truths that imperfect words, with the inherent limitation of language, cannot express. (Chapter Seven goes into greater depth about various methods that may assist this intuitive approach.) In addition to this innate remembering, the following basic background will aid the reader in understanding the final section of each Major Arcana card, entitled Qabalistic Symbology.



Although students of Qabalah marvel at the genius of the Tree of Life as a basic model of existence, a detailed study of Kircher’s Paths often produces confusion and a lack of any practical application to their lives. For many, The Restored Tree of Life supplies a tangible, applicable alternative reordering of the Paths that, quite simply, makes sense. With Achad’s new ordering of the Paths, each Major Arcana is united with its logical Sephirah. (For example, The Empress is united with Netzach, the sphere of Venus; The Tower is united with Geburah, the sphere of Mars; and The Magician is united with Hod, the sphere of Mercury.) Also, the middle pillar is aligned so that the outer planets—the purest expressions of the elements—form a direct line leading from Malkuth to Kether, the Crown. (Malkuth represents Earth, The Fool (Uranus) represents Air, The Hanged Man (Neptune) represents Water, and The Judgment (Pluto) represents Fire.) In the Qabalistic model of the cosmos, these four elements placed in this exact order create the Tetragrammaton (which literally means “the four letters”)—YHVH, the sacred name of the Hebrew God, often pronounced “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”—for the Hebrew letter Yod represents Fire, He is Water, Vau is Air, and the final Heh is Earth.



The Paths of the Tree of Life have been rearranged for a new era (or, as Frater Achad would claim, they have been restored to the ancient order that was once lost) so that it is no longer a question of “climbing the tree of life” so much as “recognizing how all things have been working together for good so that the Source of All might become manifest in Matter, here on Earth, and the Kingdom…be established.” (Frater Achad, The Egyptian Revival.) The Restored Tree of Life of The Kingdom Within Tarot are basically my own modernized paraphrase and condensation of the original conceptions and writings of Frater Achad; all credit is due him as originator of these ground-breaking ideas.





SO ALL IN ALL , EVERY THING IS ONE AND ONE IS EVERY THING.:):):):)

[lightblessins]

Greetings to all

I wish to make clear that the image of Satanism and the Left Hand Path as explained by David Icke is inaccurate

I have been involved in the very "depths" of satanism for the last ten years
There is no practice of child sacrifice/molestation/manipulation by the group I have belonged to - such a thing is shunned upon and pragmatically useless to Satanism

Whether Freemasonry is behind manipulation of global events is a different story. Satanism as far as I know is against freemasonry.

Further I question David Icke as to whether he has himself seen a reptilian or seen any of the figures he has named reptilian, "shape-shift".
While I do not disagree with the possibility of "alien" influence I find his beliefs implausible without Hard Factual Proof. I have read every single book by David Icke and I find nothing but circumstantial hear-say in regards to this matter. Satanism as I have practiced is against the American presidents as well as their actions and propoganda

While there are indeed "Sinister Forces" in a very real sense in Satanism they are not what David Icke believes or explains them as

In regards to the view of an Infinite Being - where is this being? Why is IT silent to the troubles of the world and the suffering - powerless to act??
" O IT will be coming and all will be taken back in" blah blah - sound familiar
IT will always be coming
The very notion of the Infinite is beyond the understanding David Icke has given
I believe in the Infinite as does the Left Hand Path
The LHP is simply a spiritual path that embraces the world, chaos and darkness as a means to spiritual liberation with joy and fearlessness and people are responsible for their own spiritua developement
We are not into following "low-instincts" and "human evil" - this is what comes from confused ignorant humans - the majority of people who supposed intend good - trapped in the fetters of the world. How much suffering occurs in the names of "good".
But then again where is the infinite and thus purity not?
Through embracing the darkness, overcoming fear of it, we transcend and reach the infinite.

This is just a little of what I have to share to reveal the truth instead of information with no valid backing - anyone who wishes to know the truth need only do a rough preliminary study of true LHP sources to confirm what I have declared

I respect many things of David Icke but I also think it is time he was open to possiblity that he is wrong about many things - Satanism being just one of them

Derek King

u sound like ur practising low level satanism, the 1s practising high lv satanism, do sacrifice children, i know this 4 a fact, just take what ever u do if u are a satanist, u may not be, i dont know n times it by a billion, the real satanist that are out there, are very real in the fact of what they do for their cause is the root and core of evil and darkness within our cosmos. peace:)

[marpat]

u sound like ur practising low level satanism, the 1s practising high lv satanism, do sacrifice children, i know this 4 a fact, just take what ever u do if u are a satanist, u may not be, i dont know n times it by a billion, the real satanist that are out there, are very real in the fact of what they do for their cause is the root and core of evil and darkness within our cosmos. peace:)

Can I ask how you know this? have you read about it and just took it as fact?

[runciter]

No, you have to think.



The Tree of Life is just a way to organize numbers, and to correspond them to ideas. Pythagoras did the same thing with the Tetractys, which almost certainly influenced the creation of the Kabalistic Tree of Life.





It cannot be a source of limitation, becuase it is encompasses everything. Ain Soph means Without Limit.

it is a man-made system, and it does not "encompass" me.

[runciter]

That is another aspect of it but there are so many aspects to it that to say it is one or the other is just limiting the vision and application.

Some say the tree is a map of forces not things.

The only way you can really learn from the system and appreciate its depth is by meditating on its symbolism and how symbols relate to each other. By doing this deeper patterns become clear. If people stick to jusy a superficial view of the symbols they will never trulu understand a lot of the hidden, deeper meanings.

If people are afraid to mediate on this system because they fear they are being programmed or they hate anything related to the jews then that is their loss.

it's a spiritual/energetic trap,

it can be useful in the beginning i guess, but it's time to abandon it.

deeper and deeper and deeper.. but the road to freedom goes upwards.

[dereking]

u sound like ur practising low level satanism, the 1s practising high lv satanism, do sacrifice children, i know this 4 a fact, just take what ever u do if u are a satanist, u may not be, i dont know n times it by a billion, the real satanist that are out there, are very real in the fact of what they do for their cause is the root and core of evil and darkness within our cosmos. peace:)


There is no such thing as "low-level Satanism" - it is either Satanism or it is not. I have worked with many groups the church of satan, temple of set and so-calld crowleyan orgs (which are not satanic in the least) at the "highest level" (Kuck).Compared to the real things these orgs are jokes. If David Icke really knew about Satanism he would be mentioning far more serious, "dangerous" and secret groups than the one's he mentioned & have much more "damning information". It is a ridiculous joke amongst those of the "highest level". Sure there are freemasons - but they are not satanic. Real satanists have infiltrated freemasonic orgs and are aware of a Cabal - which is real in terms of a conspiracy. In Satanism there is no definition of "morality" - a healthy person is just naturally having noble instincts - the sacrifice of children maybe be done by some people believing it is satanic- but in 15 years of the sinister (5 years probationary period), I have never come across it or dealt with it. The sacrifice of adult people however is real. Satanists may "bless" a child at birth but there is no sacrifice or further inclusion of children in ritual.

[runciter]

Real satanists have infiltrated freemasonic orgs and are aware of a Cabal - which is real in terms of a conspiracy.


and what are they planning to do? i mean, these satanists, not the conspirators.

[signs]

Icke has said in some of his books that he has meet and talked with people who were involved or were members of certain Satanic organisations or cults.They have told him of child abuse/human sacrifice and how they basically own you and if you want out if is very difficult to do so.They can be very sinister and nasty if you do not play their game. Total evil and cold bloodied was another persons description of his time in their clutches.:cool:

[supertzar]

They have told him of child abuse/human sacrifice and how they basically own you and if you want out if is very difficult to do so.

I have been told this also by someone who lived through it.

[lightblessins]

There is no such thing as "low-level Satanism" - it is either Satanism or it is not. I have worked with many groups the church of satan, temple of set and so-calld crowleyan orgs (which are not satanic in the least) at the "highest level" (Kuck).Compared to the real things these orgs are jokes. If David Icke really knew about Satanism he would be mentioning far more serious, "dangerous" and secret groups than the one's he mentioned & have much more "damning information". It is a ridiculous joke amongst those of the "highest level". Sure there are freemasons - but they are not satanic. Real satanists have infiltrated freemasonic orgs and are aware of a Cabal - which is real in terms of a conspiracy. In Satanism there is no definition of "morality" - a healthy person is just naturally having noble instincts - the sacrifice of children maybe be done by some people believing it is satanic- but in 15 years of the sinister (5 years probationary period), I have never come across it or dealt with it. The sacrifice of adult people however is real. Satanists may "bless" a child at birth but there is no sacrifice or further inclusion of children in ritual.

im just relating what i know to be true, sure theres many satanists that dont do such extreme acts of darkness, but i know for a fact that there are, most poeple believe that satan is the highest being in the realms of darkness, i dont believe that, however something still does exist that has leached on to his old energies and dominance. i do beleive and know that must high lv mason/skull n bones members are satanist, they wont ever come out and admit it, but they are. in god we trust? which god is that then?:)

[thelonious]

it is a man-made system, and it does not "encompass" me.

But it does. It describes and encompasses everything in existence. The remarkable usability of the system is why Adepts have used it in all ages, and continue to do so.

You're correct that it's "man made", but the men who made it were Magi, and advanced Adepts. It was created for the sole purpose of classifying everything that exists in reality, both on our own plane of existence as well as others. These men were obviously inspired, as even beginning students of the sysytem are struck with awe at the sense of it.

[runciter]

But it does. It describes and encompasses everything in existence. The remarkable usability of the system is why Adepts have used it in all ages, and continue to do so.

You're correct that it's "man made", but the men who made it were Magi, and advanced Adepts. It was created for the sole purpose of classifying everything that exists in reality, both on our own plane of existence as well as others. These men were obviously inspired, as even beginning students of the sysytem are struck with awe at the sense of it.

it's a cage, our oppressors (the rothschilds) are psychopathic kabbalists.

do what you want with your soul, but be sure that i'm not playing their game.

[signs]

it's a cage, our oppressors (the rothschilds) are psychopathic kabbalists.

do what you want with your soul, but be sure that i'm not playing their game.

You are right that " our oppressors (the rothschilds) are psychopathic kabbalists" but they use not the balanced form of the kabbala ,they in fact use the reverse of it , like in all things their is a opposite but in this case this opposite is the Quiothbeth , the reversed meaning of the tree of life. The tree of life does not advocate war, suffering and meaningless death to aid personal gain or power over humanity.There is another side to the kabbala and it is very dark and this is the forces they use to imprison us all.:cool:If they used the balanced form of the tree of life do you think there would be all this unbalanced insanity affecting humanity, no, the very fact that there is all this suffering is proof that they use the dark form of the tree of life.


FEAR LEADS TO ANGER ,ANGER LEADS TO HATE AND HATE LEADS TO THE DARK SIDE.;)

[thelonious]

it's a cage, our oppressors (the rothschilds) are psychopathic kabbalists.



What evidence do you have that any of them were Kabalists?

I also doubt they're psychopathic.

[marpat]

it is a man-made system, and it does not "encompass" me.


Actually the system is supposed to have been revealed to Adam as a way of return to Eden. A bit like the chakra system your guru Ickes uses.

[marpat]

it's a cage, our oppressors (the rothschilds) are psychopathic kabbalists.

do what you want with your soul, but be sure that i'm not playing their game.

The only cage is your fear of this world. By trying to avoid everything you do nothing.

[runciter]

What evidence do you have that any of them were Kabalists?

I also doubt they're psychopathic.

they are the descendants of sabbetai zevi, the "mystical messiah", who was a kabbalist.

they rule using black magic, the dollar bill is a perfect example, but you can find many more.

they are psychopathic, because they don't give a shit about all the suffering they are causing.

---

here's their last sick joke (madonna = mother mary):

http://www.list.co.uk/article/15932-madonna-converts-jesus-to-kabbalah/

it's both mind control and a spell against christianity.

[runciter]

Actually the system is supposed to have been revealed to Adam as a way of return to Eden. A bit like the chakra system your guru Ickes uses.

i disagree with icke on some issues, i have no guru, and i don't believe in fairy tales.

[dereking]

and what are they planning to do? i mean, these satanists, not the conspirators.

True Satanists do not regard what they do as evil in the usual known sense of the term.

One may look up old etymological term "evil" and may well find that it means "to go beyond what is the usual degree."

Satanists may try to make people regard them as evil and depraved in order to be free of society's moral projections and enable a sense of freedom that can be advanced on. To be free. Many times their opinions, values and actions are already heretical to the three slave religions of the world.

Satanists may work toward a "sinister duty" - that is destroying the status quo, dissolving the structures of so-called order and law, and in terms of natural hygiene destroying the old and the stale. The Satanist wants to the Adversary and Accuser of the norm.

But most Satanist are working toward individual spiritual growth. Sounds unbelievable? But its true. Satanists will not argue or defend their actions to the world to appear safe, nice or caring. In fact that will regard stigma as another method to be free.If you are too prejudicial already it is your loss to learn something that goes deeper than the skin.
Has anyone ever seen an Aghori - an Indian LHP adept - in the cremation ground. Notice how he swears brashly and throws dirt at people? How he devours the rotting flesh of dead bodies. And the animal mediocre human will look on in disgust and contempt.......

Does anyone not remember the Serpent who gave mankind the fruit of knowledge and suffered punishment or persecution for it along with mankind. Does anyone remember how satanism has been hated for centuries? Does anyone realize that this world is upside down - that the person you deem the worst may actually be a secret hero?

[runciter]

The only cage is your fear of this world. By trying to avoid everything you do nothing.

you call it fear, because you're afraid of it, but in reality it is compassion.

[marpat]

it's a spiritual/energetic trap,

it can be useful in the beginning i guess, but it's time to abandon it.

deeper and deeper and deeper.. but the road to freedom goes upwards.

Actually there is no upwards, that is a figure of speech.

If the goal shown on the tree is the limitless light then how can you abandon it? how can you abandon the infinte?

Your stance is one of hatred for what you see as a jewish system. Do you accept the chakra system is one of limitation that needs to be abandoned?

[marpat]

you call it fear, because you're afraid of it, but in reality it is compassion.


Again you make no sense. I should be used to that by now.

[runciter]

Actually there is no upwards, that is a figure of speech.

If the goal shown on the tree is the limitless light then how can you abandon it? how can you abandon the infinte?

Your stance is one of hatred for what you see as a jewish system. Do you accept the chakra system is one of limitation that needs to be abandoned?

every system needs to be abandoned, one can't entrap the energies for too long.

[lizzy]

they are the descendants of sabbetai zevi, the "mystical messiah", who was a kabbalist.

they rule using black magic, the dollar bill is a perfect example, but you can find many more.

they are psychopathic, because they don't give a shit about all the suffering they are causing.

---

here's their last sick joke (madonna = mother mary):

http://www.list.co.uk/article/15932-madonna-converts-jesus-to-kabbalah/

it's both mind control and a spell against christianity.


hi runciter......
Icke quote.....

"Satanic ritual abuse is a global network, another pyramid of interconnecting groups, with the high and mighty of society among their numbers, top politicians, government officials, bankers, business leaders, lawyers, judges, doctors, coroners, publishers, editors and journalists. All the people you need, in fact, to carry out and cover up your rituals and crimes against humanity. It is not that researchers see Satanists everywhere. The ratio of them in leading positions is very high because that’s the way it is meant to be."

[runciter]

hi runciter......
Icke quote.....

"Satanic ritual abuse is a global network, another pyramid of interconnecting groups, with the high and mighty of society among their numbers, top politicians, government officials, bankers, business leaders, lawyers, judges, doctors, coroners, publishers, editors and journalists. All the people you need, in fact, to carry out and cover up your rituals and crimes against humanity. It is not that researchers see Satanists everywhere. The ratio of them in leading positions is very high because that’s the way it is meant to be."

hi lizzy,

i think icke is absolutely correct on this, the whole system is based on greed and selfishness.

the cremation of care ritual at bohemian grove comes to my mind: highly symbolic, 100% sick.

[thelonious]

they are the descendants of sabbetai zevi

They are certainly *not* descendents of Zevi, who is much better described as a "quack" rather than as a "kabalist".

Zevi eventually converted to Islam, by the way.


they rule using black magic

No, they rule using capitalism.

Serious Kabalists are eventually required to renounce all wealth and worldly possessions. Obviously, they have done that, and show little, if any, mystical leanings in any of their writings. They are materialists, not Kabalists (mystics).

[dereking]

They are certainly *not* descendents of Zevi, who is much better described as a "quack" rather than as a "kabalist".

Zevi eventually converted to Islam, by the way.



No, they rule using capitalism.

Serious Kabalists are eventually required to renounce all wealth and worldly possessions. Obviously, they have done that, and show little, if any, mystical leanings in any of their writings. They are materialists, not Kabalists (mystics).

Neither are Satanists materialist - despite popular opinion

[thelonious]

Neither are Satanists materialist - despite popular opinion

I would say that a true Satanist is a true materialist, since Satan himself is a symbol of materialism. In this sense, the Rothchilds are Satanists, not Kabalists or mystics.

[marpat]

i disagree with icke on some issues, i have no guru, and i don't believe in fairy tales.


Dont know about that, I have read some of your posts.

[dereking]

I would say that a true Satanist is a true materialist, since Satan himself is a symbol of materialism. In this sense, the Rothchilds are Satanists, not Kabalists or mystics.

Incorrect.

Satanists embrace the world with complete detachment - they use the material as a means to true Divinity

Materialism is attachment to the material - seeing it as the end all of all things
Satanism knows what lies beyond the mundane and material.

The Rothchilds are also not Satanists - they are Jews
In many senses Judaism has proved itself to be very materialistic - besides the magical affairs of the Qabala which seek oneness with their Deity

[runciter]

They are certainly *not* descendents of Zevi, who is much better described as a "quack" rather than as a "kabalist".

Zevi eventually converted to Islam, by the way.



No, they rule using capitalism.


zevi was recognized as the messiah by the majority of jews, before his conversion.

there's a striking resemblance between him and many members of the rothschild family.

i'm convinced that they are the messianic bloodline, and that sabbateanism is alive and well.

they did many things that only god's intervention could accomplish, according to jewish tradition.

[runciter]

They are materialists, not Kabalists (mystics).


they are both, they use their occult knowledge to enslave people.

[runciter]

dereking, what was the purpose of infiltrating secret societies?

[thelonious]

they are both

One cannot be both, the two viewpoints are diametrically opposed. That would be like saying that one is supporter of free markets and also a communist, or an atheist and also a believer in God.

[signs]

One could argue that if we are all connected to the ONENESS ,then what we do,think and act in everyday life or by occult means effects everyone and yourself.If this is the way then whatever you put out by occult means you will receive back , so why are certain organisations deliberately causing suffering and wars by occult means?Do they or can they truly realise the magnitude of their actions when they themselves will suffer at some point the very unbalanced forces they evoked first.Great saying in the Lords of The Rings film when Gandalf is imprisoned on a tower by Saraman , he says to Saraman, "SAURON DOES NOT SHARE POWER".

[runciter]

One cannot be both, the two viewpoints are diametrically opposed. That would be like saying that one is supporter of free markets and also a communist, or an atheist and also a believer in God.

you gave a perfect description of their mentality :D

they are communists, and they are god to themselves (no god).

[dereking]

dereking, what was the purpose of infiltrating secret societies?

To destroy them or to find out what their purpose is

[runciter]

what you call mysticism is a form of knowledge, they are secretly using it to gain more power.

[thelonious]

you gave a perfect description of their mentality :D

they are communists, and they are god to themselves (no god).

So if they're rich, and have power, because of capitalism....why in the hell would they be communists?

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I'm having trouble following your line of thought. If the Communists had their way, the Rothchilds would be swinging from trees.

[runciter]

To destroy them or to find out what their purpose is

thanks for the answer.

the "satanic" element was introduced by jakob frank..

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/shabbetai3.gif

"When war erupts in the world, you will know and understand why I came to this world."
--Saying from the Book of the Words of the Lord Jacob Frank, The Militant Messiah

http://www.competitiveeaters.com/images/RedHotLogo.jpg

[thirdwave]

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I'm having trouble following your line of thought.


I don't think your the only one dude lol.

[runciter]

So if they're rich, and have power, because of capitalism....why in the hell would they be communists?

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I'm having trouble following your line of thought. If the Communists had their way, the Rothchilds would be swinging from trees.

communism for the rich (bailout system), free market jungle for the cattle.

[thirdwave]

hi lizzy,

i think icke is absolutely correct on this, the whole system is based on greed and selfishness.

the cremation of care ritual at bohemian grove comes to my mind: highly symbolic, 100% sick.

the thing is.. Icke has also made it clear what these "people" are and what they are up to.... do you think he uses the term Satanist very loosely?, he has hinted at times the word is more of a tag than anything... I think its a little mistake he has kind of used as it has certainly given the Christians something to bite into while ignoring the rest of his research.

for example are Satanists people and reptilian cross breeds, who interact with reptilian beings from another dimension?

or normal humans who worship the enemy of Christ, IE a being called "Satan"?

[eternal_spirit]

So if they're rich, and have power, because of capitalism....why in the hell would they be communists?

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I'm having trouble following your line of thought. If the Communists had their way, the Rothchilds would be swinging from trees.
It's the dialectic create two sides (opposition) fund both sides for wars, sit back and reap the profits, Governments borrow more from banks to repay war loans and Government's have to raise the taxes etc to pay back loans.

This is control of whole nations/Countries via money.


Their wars have also gotten them control of - Gold, Diamonds oil other natural resources etc, and control/influences of stock market share prices, they can create a boom or bust.

[eternal_spirit]

zevi was recognized as the messiah by the majority of jews, before his conversion.

there's a striking resemblance between him and many members of the rothschild family.

i'm convinced that they are the messianic bloodline, and that sabbateanism is alive and well.

they did many things that only god's intervention could accomplish, according to jewish tradition.

Kabbalah and the Muslim's Kabba at Mecca. Kabbalah apparantly means tradition in Hebrew.

[eternal_spirit]

The Old Testament was written around 200-300 BC by 72 priests in Egypt who wrote it in Greek (not Hebrew) for the Jews who spoke Aramaic. The Kabala existed in ancient Egypt although added to after the 1500's. The Talmud was based on the Babylonian Talmud, updated and carried out of Babylon by the Pharisees and the Sadducees and it was then that Judaism began.
Tyrannical occupation of Egypt for 200 years or so by the Hyksos (Shepherd Kings) and the Habiru (mercenaries) who were a conglomeration of nomadic peoples from the northeast

Pharisees (Pharaohs)

I've quoted this alot, worth a read
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=483554&postcount=6

[runciter]

t
for example are Satanists people and reptilian cross breeds, who interact with reptilian beings from another dimension?

or normal humans who worship the enemy of Christ, IE a being called "Satan"?

well if you use the term "demons" instead of "satan" the difference starts to disappear.

[thirdwave]

well if you use the term "demons" instead of "satan" the difference starts to disappear.

well why call them Satanists then? when they are simply working with demons?.... are Satanists meant to be people who worship Satan as their god... much like Christians worship their god Christ?

or do you just like useing the word Satanist to cover a wide range of people with different perspectives and beliefs?

also be careful when you research people talking of Demons.. outside the Christian perspective they simply meant angels...

[thirdwave]

You think the really heinous rituals where they abuse kids are described in books written by occultists?

no although many accuse Crowley of it!... So how does one learn to do thise evil things then??... point it out to me?

the point is you cant really understand people if they have not read the books that they would so easily point the finger at.

[thirdwave]

dereking claims he's been involved with Satanism for years it's a rare occasion someone posts here who's been involved, don't you wanna hear what he's got to say about his experiences.

So don't know what you got your nickers in a twist over and the stupid questions and presumptions.

not in a twist at all.. and yeah lets here the guy out if he cares to let us into his personal experiences..

my point is though, you never really give a clear cut look at to how we can lean about this evil... I have read lots of occult books with great stuff in them and not once have I been tempted to be evil .... though you are always implying how crooked and fucked up all this occult stuff is.

have you got any leads as to what books I should not read ?.. and rather than cast this mystic paranoia around them actually point me out a book and show me where it is fucking with me... discuss it and educate.

[runciter]

well why call them Satanists then? when they are simply working with demons?.... are Satanists meant to be people who worship Satan as their god... much like Christians worship their god Christ?

or do you just like useing the word Satanist to cover a wide range of people with different perspectives and beliefs?

also be careful when you research people talking of Demons.. outside the Christian perspective they simply meant angels...

i associate "satanism" with the cult of pain.

[thirdwave]

i associate "satanism" with the cult of pain.

ahhh ok well as long as you know you are useing the world in very much a generalising sense...

and know you don't need Satan to be evil.

[runciter]

ahhh ok well as long as you know you are useing the world in very much a generalising sense...

and know you don't need Satan to be evil.

mother teresa was a satanist, she believed that pain can get you closer to god.

[dereking]

One very important things to remember is that the Demons so well-known thanks to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic Connection were actually Gods or Goddesses who were over-thrown and their religious spiritual paths condemned.

Satanists do interact with what can be described as Demonic or Sinister - sometimes it is a terrifying experience to overcome

"Cult of Pain" is an interesting way to look at it - Satanism identifies that much that is worthwhile and great arises from the overcoming of pain or suffering - not from softness or comfortability which usually ends in stagnation and decadence (In fact a Satanist must undergo great suffering to gain the empathy most do not have - contrary to popular opinion)
But Satanists also embrace joy and love with great passion

What can be seen as so profound is that David Icke goes on about how we must learn to love each other and even the blackest "evil"
Satanists seek to love what terrifies "normal" people - to love a dreaded symbol - is this not the hardest thing and noblest love of all?

[eternal_spirit]

An English order of Traditional Satanism. Essentially the Order is secret - and intends to remain so as far as most of it's members and activities are concerned. However it's teachings and traditions have been made public, that is, available - thus enabling any individuals who may be interested to follow (if only in part) the way of genuine satanism, for those individuals by so doing (however slightly) will aid the sinister dialectic, increasing the dark forces presenced on Earth.

Some of these individuals may progress to the Order. Currently the Order has gone back to being totally underground, having completed their mission to spread their work.

A Gift for the Prince - A Guide to Human Sacrifice (http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Satanism/Ona/Gift.htm)



In ceremonial rituals involving sacrifice, the Mistress of Earth [ sometimes called 'The Lady Master' ] usually takes on the rule of the dark or 'violent' goddess, Baphomet, and the Master of the Temple that of either Lucifer or Satan - the sacrifice being regarded as a gift to the Prince of Darkness.



This gift, however, is sometimes offered to the dark goddess, the bride of our Prince.



Human sacrifice is powerful magick. The ritual death of an individual does two things: it releases energy (which can be directed, or stored - for example in a crystal) and it draws down dark forces or 'entities' . Such forces may then be used, by directing them toward a specific goal, or they may be allowed to disperse over the Earth in a natural way, such dispersal altering what is sometimes known as the 'astral shell' around the Earth.



This alteration, by the nature of sacrifice, is disruptive - that it, it tends toward Chaos. This is simply another way of saying that human sacrifice furthers the work of Satan.
Sacrifice can be voluntary, of an individual; involuntary, of an individual or two; or result from events brought about by Satanic ritual and/or planning (such as wars). Voluntary sacrifice results from the traditional Satanist belief that our life on this planet is only a stage: a gateway or nexion to another existence.



This other existence is in the acausal realm where the Dark Gods exist. The key to this other existence is not negation, but rather ecstasy. A Satanist revels in life because by living life in a joyful, ecstatic way, the acausal that exists within us all by virtue of our being, is strengthened. For Satanists, not only the manner of living is important, but also the manner of death. We must live well and die at the right time, proud and defiant to the end - not waiting sickly and weak.


The scum of the Earth wail and tremble as they face Death: we stand laughing and spit with contempt. Thus do we learn how to live.
Voluntary sacrifice usually occurs every seventeen years as part of the Ceremony of Recalling: the one chosen becomes Immortal, living in the acausal to haunt the edge of the minds of those un-initiated.



An involuntary sacrifice is when an individual or individuals are chosen by a group, Temple or Order. Such sacrifices are usually sacrificed on the Spring Equinox, although if this is not possible for whatever reason, another date may be used. While voluntary sacrifices are always male (and usually twenty-one years of age) there are no restrictions concerning involuntary sacrifices other than the fact that they are usually in some way opponents of Satanism or the Satanic way of living.



Great care is needed in choosing a sacrifice: the object being to dispose of a difficult individual or individuals without arousing undue suspicion.



A Temple or group wishing to conduct such a sacrifice with magickal intent must first obtain permission from the Grand Master or Grand Lady Master.





If this is given, then detailed preparation must begin. First, choose the sacrifice(s) - those who removal will actively benefit the Satanist cause. Candidates are zealous interfering Nazarenes, those (e.g. journalists) attempting to disrupt in some way established Satanist groups or Orders, political/ business individuals whose activities are detrimental to the Satanist spirit, and those whose removal will aid the sinister dialectic and/or improve the human stock.
There are three methods of conducting an involuntary sacrifice:


bymagickal means (e.g. the Death Ritual);
by some person or persons directly killing the sacrifice(s);
by assassination.

Both (2) and (3) can be undertaken either directly by the group/Temple/Order and its members, or by proxy. Proxy involves the Master or Mistress finding a suitably weak-willed individual and then implanting in the mind of that individual - usually by hypnosis - a suitable suggestion.
Whatever method is chosen, a date for the sacrifice should be set and on that date a suitable ritual undertaken. This ritual is most usually the Death Ritual - if method (3) is chosen, the Ritual is performed twice: first, seven days before the chosen date, and then on the date itself while the member/proxy is undertaking the sacrifice. The energy of this latter ritual is then directed (or temporarily stored), or dispersed over Earth, by the person conducting the ritual.



Method (2) involves the Ritual of Sacrifice. The victim or victims are brought or enticed to the area chosen for the Ritual, bound by the Guardian of the Temple and at the appropriate point in the Ritual sacrificed by either the Master or the Mistress using the Sacrificial Knife. The body or bodies are then buried or otherwise disposed of, care being taken if they are found for suspicion not to fall on any of those involved.



Those involved, of course, must be sworn to secrecy and warned that if they break their oath, their own existence will be terminated. Breaking the Oath of Sacrifice draws upon the individual or individuals who break that Oath, the vengeance of all Satanic groups, Order and individuals - and this vengeance is both magickal and more direct, the Master or Mistress of the Ritual appointing Guardians to hunt down and kill those who have broken the Oath.
Those who participate in the Ritual of Sacrifice must revel in the death(s) - it being the duty of the Master and Mistress to find suitable participants.



http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Satanism/Ona/ona.htm

[dereking]

:confused::mad::p;):D:o:):(:rolleyes::cool::

[marpat]

Kabbalah and the Muslim's Kabba at Mecca. Kabbalah apparantly means tradition in Hebrew.

Wrong again. It is a secret oral tradition and if I recall correctly means 'from mouth to ear'.

The Hebrew spelling is Qbl

[marpat]

well if you use the term "demons" instead of "satan" the difference starts to disappear.


What about daemons? that is something else.

[eternal_spirit]

from the Biggest Secret Chapter 15: David Icke

Quote:
The demon worshippers of Bel/Baal/Nimrod in Canaan, Babylon and Phoenicia engaged in human sacrifice, cannibalism, and child murder in the name of Moloch or Molech, an aspect of Nimrod/Baal, as part of their religious rituals.8 Baal (lord or ruler), the supreme god of the Canaanites and Phoenicians, was said to be the giver of life and Moloch was the destroyer of life. Both demanded appeasement by sacrifice. Baal or Moloch became identified with the Roman god Saturn.


In honor of Baal, the Sun god and god of fire, the Carthaginians, following the rituals of the Phoenicians and Canaanites, rolled children into a fiery pit made in the shape of the image of Baal/Moloch. At a site near modern Tunis six thousand urns were found containing the charred remains of infants. Remember, these rituals and ‘gods’ are the same as those performed and worshipped by the Satanists and the Brotherhood today.


This is why the children of Waco were allowed to burn to death in an inferno caused entirely by the Satanist controlled FBI and the ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, on April 19th 1993. These were the same deeply sick people who blew up the James P. Murrah building in Oklahoma on April 19th 1995, in which so many children died.



April 19th is a Satanic ritual day relating to fire - the fire god, Baal or Moloch. And what does Moloch demand? The sacrifice of children. Waco and Oklahoma were child sacrifices to Baal/Moloch according to exactly the same belief system as those performed by the ancient fiffits.



In the same way, a war to these people is a mass blood ritual in which unimaginable numbers are killed and maimed, and the planet is engulfed by negative emotional energy. It is this energy on which many of the lower fourth dimensional reptilians either feed or use to manifest in this dimension. If you want undeniable proof that the Branch Davidians and their children were sacrificed at Waco, I strongly recommend you watch the video: Waco: The Rules Of Engagement.9 You will never believe an official statement again.



The ritual names for the ‘demons’ are still the same today as those used in the ancient world and by later groups like the Templars. Confirmation of this comes from a stream of accounts by modern victims of Satanism. A friend of mine, the British therapist, Vera Diamond, has been working for nearly 20 years with people who have been subjected to Satanic and mind control abuse. She says:

“Children say the word Satan is used more frequently than any other, but other demons include Baphomet and Behemoth. Molech (Moloch) seems to be one particularly associated with eating babies, and one called Choronzon. These do seem to be particularly involved with sacrificing babies.”10

Choronzon relates to Chronos, the Greek version of Nimrod. According to Greek legend, Chronos swallowed his children as fast as they were born because he feared they would overthrow him. Chronos was the most powerful of the Titans, the Greek name for the giants who resulted from the interbreeding of the reptilians with the human, ‘daughters of men’. Greek myth symbolically referred to them as children of the union between heaven (extraterrestrials) and Earth (humans).



Chronos was the father of Zeus who survived because his mother hid him from her child-killing husband. Zeus later waged a victorious war against his father and other Titans and then ruled as the King of Gods over a dynasty awash with child sacrifice. As you connect the different peoples across the generations, so you find the same themes of human sacrifice. The Cannanite-Hebrews were seriously into the sacrifice of humans and animals, much as their spin doctors have tried to deny it over the years.



The Satanists among the ‘Jewish’ hierarchy today still perform the same rituals while the mass of the Jewish people worldwide have no idea that this is so. Stories throughout the centuries to the present day of the sacrifice of children by Jewish fanatics at the time of the Passover can be seen to have an historical basis when you realize the true meaning of the Passover.



It had nothing to do with ‘God ’ passing over the homes of Israelite children and killing only the first born Egyptians. This is more symbolism that only an initiate or a determined researcher would understand. Records from the 8th and 7th centuries BC, show that the Israelites burned their sons on sacrificial fires in the Valley of Gehinnon outside Jerusalem.11 The infants were said to have been “passed over” or “passed through” the fire in sacrifice to Moloch-Baal.



In the Book of Leviticus we find the line: “Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Moloch”. The prophet Jeremiah talks of the people: “burning their sons in the fire as burnt offerings unto Baal” and also in the Book of Jeremiah we are told that:

“They have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the Valley of Hinnon, to burn their sons and daughters in the fire...”

John Milton also wrote of Moloch in his Paradise Lost:

“First Moloch, horrid king, besmirched with blood,
Of human sacrifice, and parent’s tears,
Though, for the noise of drums and timbrels loud,
Their children’s cries unheard, that passed through fire,
To his grim idol.”

The Old Testament abounds with stories of animal and human sacrifice. The same symbolism can be seen in a stream of ancient texts about the sacrifice of the first born or young children. The Jesus story includes this theme also, of course. At it’s most extreme, the Jewish dogma is deeply sacrificial. Their temples were slaughterhouses with a constant supply of animals taken there for ritual murder and sacrifice.



Look at the Jewish form of killing animals to this today. Meat is only considered ‘kosher’ if the animal has its throat cut and dies by being bled dry. The same with the ‘halal ’ meat of the Muslims. Through the Brotherhood bloodlines the ancient rituals have been strictly maintained and the ruling Elite today are sacrificing children and drinking blood the same as they did in the ancient world


A male child was offered every Friday evening at the temple of Shiva at Tanjor until the practice was stopped (officially) in the mid-nineteenth century. The Thugs, one of the ancient secret societies in the Brotherhood network, murdered their victims according to elaborate rituals dedicated to Kali, who is depicted wearing a garland of skulls.


Children or so-called ‘young virgins’ are used in these sacrificial rituals because the Satanists want to access the pure pre-pubescent energy for their own purposes. I have been told by Satanists, many of their victims, and by therapists working with victims, the same stories of ‘regeneration rituals’. The ageing Satanist, sometimes a high ranking member of the Brotherhood, stands in the centre of a circle of babies or young children. As they are sacrificed the ritual allows the Satanist to absorb their life-essence, their life-force, and regenerate his or her body.


The world’s most famous Satanist, Aleister Crowley, who had connections to both Winston Churchill and the Nazis, advocated human sacrifice and admitted to sacrificing children.


In his 1929 book, Magick In Theory And Practice, he explains the reasons for ritual death and why small boys are the best victims:

“It was the theory of the ancient magicians that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of this animal this energy is liberated suddenly. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.”12

Crowley adds in a footnote that according to the records of the Satanist, Frater Perurabo, he performed just such a sacrifice 150 times every year between 1912 and 1928. Think about that. It means that this one man ritually sacrificed almost 2,500 young boys in that period alone.



Do you still wonder what happens to many of the millions, yes millions, of children who go missing every year all over the world never to be heard of again? And that’s without all of those bred for sacrifice that the public knows nothing about. We can begin to see that the estimates of ritual sacrifices every year are no exaggeration.



Satanism at its core is about the manipulation and theft of another person’s energy and consciousness. In olden times they called it “soul snatching”. It may appear to be merely a sickening perversion, but those who truly understand the background to the rituals know that what really matters is the effect of the rituals, not so much the rituals themselves. They are the means to an end - stealing or manipulating energy. Sex is so common in Satanic ritual because at the moment of orgasm, the body explodes with energy which the Satanists can capture and absorb.

So there are particular Satanic days for their most important ceremonies. On these days unimaginable numbers of people, mostly children, are sacrificed. Some of the main dates are:

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Feb 1/2, Candlemas
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March 21/22, spring equinox
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April 30th/May 1st, Walpurgis Night/Beltane
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June 21/22, summer solstice
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July 31/August 1, Lammas Great Sabbat festival
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September 21/22, autumn equinox
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October 31 st/November 1st, Samhain/Halloween
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December 21/22, winter solstice or Yule

Let me emphasize again here that these dates and festivals are not Satanic in themselves. They are times in the annual planetary cycle when very powerful energies of various kinds are manifesting on the Earth and the rituals and ceremonies of both a positive and negative nature are performed on these dates. The cycle produces the energy and the Satanists simply harness that energy for their own purposes, just as the positive rituals do, like those performed by most modern Druids.



Other dates for widespread Satanic ritual include every full Moon because the reflected energy of the Sun is at its most powerful on those occasions. Note also the significance to Satanists of May 1st, the day the Bavarian Illuminati was formed in 1776 and the day of celebration in the Brotherhood-created Communist and Socialist calendar.


The Key of Solomon is a book of occult magic which legend claims was written by ‘King Solomon’ himself. It includes the pentagram in its instructions of how to invoke demons and make sacrifices to demons. Such ancient works provide the foundations for the same rituals in each generation. The inner core of the Knights Templar was involved in black magic ritual and the Templars were accused of what today we call Satanism and of rejecting Christianity by denying Christ and spitting on the cross.



They were said to worship a demon power called Baphomet, a black magic symbol, also known as the Goat of Mendes. Capricorn (the goat, also symbolized by the unicorn) is the sign of the initiate and it represents political power, while Leo (the Sun, the lion) represents royal power.


Hence the lion is the King of the Jungle and is the main symbol on the flag of the British royal family. The planet Saturn rules Capricorn while the Sun rules Leo and Satanists and black magicians are very much focused on the Sun and Saturn in their rituals. The Saturn vibration has a much bigger impact on the Earth than is recognized. In astrology it is the planet of law and authority. Capricorn, the sign of authority, is also, according to astrologers, the astrological sign of England, that centre of global control.



The name, Baphomet, is reckoned to derive from Greek words meaning baptism of wisdom or knowledge (initiation) and Dr Hugh Schonfield, one of the experts on the Dead Sea Scrolls, says that using the code of the Essenes, the word Baphomet can be translated to ‘Sophia’, the goddess of the Gnostics, and the Greek word for wisdom.13 Sophia is another name for the female energy. Schonfield is sure there is a link between the Templars and the Essenes and so am I.



He has demonstrated that the Templars used the same code, the Atbash Cipher, employed in some of the Dead Sea Scrolls.14 Other accusations against the Templars were of killing children and teaching women how to abort.15 It is true that most of these confessions were made under extreme torture by the Roman Church Satanists, the Inquisition. But not all of these reports were gleaned in this way and the themes are so strong, and the story so consistent, that it would be ridiculous just to dismiss them all. And one thing is quite provable.



These very ceremonies involving the ritual murder of children, and the use of women called breeders to produce babies and aborted foetuses for sacrifice to a demon ‘god’, are most certainly performed today and this Satanic structure of abuse and ritual murder is controlled by the very secret society network the Templars helped to expand. The testimony of one Templar, Squin de Flexian, said they all had to swear never to leave the Order and to further its interests by any means, right or wrong. No crime committed for the honour or benefit of the Order was considered to be sinful. He also made allegations about sacrificing babies and aborting foetuses.16

It is the same with the inner circles of the Freemasons. Credo Mutwa, the Zulu shaman, told me that compared with the Freemason rituals he had seen in the United States and the United Kingdom, the voodoo and black magic of Africa was put in the shade. The secret password of Freemasonry is Tubal Cain, a descendant of the biblical Cain, who was an Anunnaki crossbreed. Tubal Cain’s sister, Naamah,17 is said to have been the one who brought human sacrifice and cannibalism into the world.

Tubal Cain is known as the father of witchcraft and sorcery and thus his name is a Freemasonic password.19 The ‘G’ on the symbol of Freemasonry stands for Gnosticism (knowledge, knowing) and for generation, the fertility rites of the sex cults of ancient Baal and Ashtoreth.20 No doubt it is also a symbol connected to generation and genetics, as in the reptilian bloodlines. You see the ‘G’ in the logo of the Gannett chain which has been buying up newspapers and television stations across the United States and publishes the national daily, USA Today

The de Medici bloodline of the Black Nobility in Venice, who funded Christopher Columbus, included Catherine de Medici, the Queen of France, who was reported to have commissioned human sacrifice in a Black Mass in the 16th century. A young boy was sacrificed and the blood used in a communion designed to save her dying son, Philip Medici wore around her neck a talisman with the name of the Satanic demon, Asmodei

Benjamin Franklin, a so-called pillar of the Christian Church and Founding Father of the United States, was a member of the Satanic Hellfire Club and the bodies of six children and four adults have been found under his former home in London dated to the time he lived there. Adolph Hitler and the Nazis were Satanists and so were their ‘opponents’ like Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.



The Rothschilds, formerly the infamous German occult family, the Bauers, apparently use the Canaanite Satanic rituals while some of the bloodline families with long connections to the Celtic lands, like the St Clair-Sinclairs, prefer the Druid system. It was the Satanic deity, Ashtoreth, which inspired the name, Astor, one of the bloodline families which has been heavily involved in Satanism.


The Astors have close connections to the British royal family and they were at the heart of the Profumo scandal in 1963 when the British Defence Minister, John Profumo, was forced to resign after lying to the House of Commons about his involvement with Christine Keeler, a call girl who was also having a sexual relationship with a Russian KGB agent. The Profumo-Keeler liaison was arranged by Stephen Ward, a sado-masochist and black magician, who lived in a house on the Astor estate at Clivedon in Berkshire.


There was much more to this than was allowed to come out and if it ever does it will once again shine a light on some very dark practices and connect with the highest echelons of British society, including the Windsors. Prince Philip knew Stephen Ward and Lord Mountbatten was a guest at the infamous ‘swimming party’ at Cliveden which played a major role in Profumo’s downfall.


What is called Satanism is the ruling hierarchy of the Brotherhood pyramid under the command of the reptilians. Like all the other parts of the network, it is strictly compartmentalized. The highest levels of the Satanic network lock into the highest levels of the Brotherhood, but the lower degrees are not allowed to know the true nature of the organizations they are involved in. Some of the levels of Satanism are known as

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the Sisters of Light
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the Five Star Generals
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Master Counsellors
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Keeper of the Books
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Keeper of the Seals
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there is one position called an Asmodeus

One of the global centres of Satanism is the Castle of Darkness, the Chateau des Amerois or Castle of Kings, in Belgium, near the appropriately named village of Muno Bel. The castle is close to the French border and some 20 kilometres from Luxemburg. It is protected from view by thick forests and guards keep out the curious. In the grounds is a cathedral with a dome containing 1,000 lights.


When President George Bush talked of 1,000 points of light, he was speaking in code about this place of initiation for the highest initiates of the Satanic pyramid. In this Satanic cathedral is the throne of the high priestess of the upper hierarchy, a position known as the Queen Mother.

Every day, apparently, a child is sacrificed in the basement. Ceremonies are performed here to the Satanic ‘goddess’ known as Lilith, a demon in the Hebrew Cabala. In ancient Sumer the reptilian bloodline, as passed on through the female, was symbolised as a lily and the main gene carriers were given names like Lilith, Lili, Lilutu and Lillette. Elizabeth is a derivative of this. Another demon used by some ‘Mothers’ is called Bilair, Bilar, and Bilid, cabalistic names for the force others call Satan, etc


It is from these lands in Belgium and northern France that the bloodline families came, including the Bruces, to take over Scotland all those centuries ago. Belgium, this little country between France and the Netherlands, is also the home of the European Union, NATO, and, I am told, a massive computer centre where databases on all the people of the world are being compiled. It is known apparently as ‘the Beast’ and there are a number of these around the world. An Elite mind control operation called the Janus Group is also based in the NATO headquarters.



Nimrod was Eannus, the god with two faces, who was later known to the Romans as Janus. The reason that Belgium is a headquarters for Satanism and so many Brotherhood institutions is very simple. The Brotherhood created Belgium for just this reason in 1831 and they imposed upon it a ‘royal’ line, the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, the bloodline of the British royal family and, through its branch in Prussia, the supporters of Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati.

The paedophile murder ring which came to light in Belgium in 1996 is but one part of the Satanic network operating from and in that country. It was organized by Marc Dutroux, who is connected to the Satanic Order of Abrasax, based in the village of Forchies-la-Marche near Charleroi in southern Belgium, not far from the Castle of Darkness. Abrasax is Abraxas, a fat-bellied demon from whom, it is likely, the magicians term, abracadabra, originated.



Dutroux buried alive an accomplice, Bernard Weinstein, and among Weinstein’s effects was a letter from the Abrasax group signed by someone describing himself as the Egyptian god, Anubis. It ordered him to provide ‘presents’ for the High Priestess of the Order and apparently gave specific details of the age and sex the victims must be. The British Sunday Times reported the accounts of witnesses describing Black Masses in which children were killed in front of audiences which included prominent members of Belgian society.

A Belgian newspaper reported that a former commissioner of the European Union was among a group of judges, senior politicians, lawyers, and policemen, who attended orgies at a Belgian chateau organized by Michel Nihoul, one of the accomplices of Marc Dutroux, the alleged leader of the paedophile ring. One investigator said it was “Like going back to the Middle Ages”

In fact there has not been an old, middle, and modern age with regard to these rituals. It is a seamless flow over thousands of years under the control of the same bloodlines. Human skulls were found at the sacrificial sites identified by witnesses, particularly at the sect’s headquarters. The Satanic group behind the Belgian murders is said to interconnect with similar rings in Holland, Germany, and America.

In truth, it will be part of the global network which operates in all countries. Satanism is run like a transnational corporation.


Black magic rituals are going on all over the world and I have spoken with victims in country after country. In England I met a brave woman, then aged 40. The story she told me of her experiences mirrored those of so many others. She was born in Darlington in the 1950s, and soon after she was sold by her Satanic father to two other Satanists.



She knew them only as Thomas and Helena. She was brought up in the most horrific circumstances at a children’s home in Hull which was run by two child abusers. At night a torchlight was shone into their bedrooms and when it was held on a child for a minute or so, they knew it was their turn to go downstairs and be sexually abused.



During holidays back in Darlington, from the age of just seven and eight, she met her father who linked her with the two Satanists, Thomas and Helena. She would be given drugs via orange juice and ice cream and be taken at night in a van to country churches in the Darlington area. The drugs were designed to make her easier to mind control and to prevent her from remembering what she saw. I will explain more about this in the next chapter. However, as is often the case when people enter their 30s and 40s, the victims can begin to have flashbacks of their ordeals.



They experience them again like watching a movie screen. It is for this reason that so many are murdered before they reach that age, often for ‘snuff’ videos, which show in graphic detail a person being murdered. Others are subjected to the snatch back when they are abducted to undergo ‘booster’ mind-programming to keep the memories secret.



Increasing numbers of people who survived their horrendous young lives, are now beginning to remember and they are telling the same basic tale. If you are one of them, please contact me if you have anything to add to what I outline here. An address is at the back of the book. Within days of speaking to me, my informant says she was grabbed off the street and bungled into a van by six Satanists.


A syringe was held to her throat and she was warned to stop talking to “That dangerous prat, Icke” and to stop naming names. They threatened her life and those of her children if she continued. She was also told that if she didn’t keep quiet, the family dog would be taken and “Posted back to you in pieces”. Nice people.


In the ordeals at the country churches which she now remembers, my English informant and other children would be used in Satanic rituals involving sex, torture, and murder. The windows of the church were covered over with black drapes and the inside was laid out according to Satanic law with different colours used for different ceremonies depending on the time of year. Sometimes they would use the churches in secret, but don’t underestimate how many people in the Christian clergy are also members of the Satanic network.



The Satanists, she remembers, were dressed in robes and a number wore masks, including the face of a goat or Baphomet, the deity the Templars were accused of worshipping. In the UK, as in America, some of the best known names in the country are involved. She remembers vividly (God, the thought of it), being laid on her back on the floor of a church as a screaming boy, no more than six, was being held by the hair above her while a man, who she would later identify as a top politician in Northern Ireland, had anal sex with him.



When it was over, a knife was produced to cut the boy’s throat and the blood poured over her. “I remember this man’s eyes,” she told me. “The coldness of his eyes I will never forget.” He prefers boys to girls, she said.


On more than one occasion, she says, she was brutally raped by a man who has been a major name in United Kingdom politics for decades. This man, she says, used to hold her naked body to him by using hooks inserted into her flesh at the hip. She was just a little girl when this was happening. She told me that this man was Edward Heath and his name comes up again and again in interviews with victims of Satanic abuse in Britain.


Another famous paedophile and Satanist in Britain is Lord McAlpine, the former treasurer of Heath’s Conservative Party, and executive of the McAlpine Construction empire. He also followed the late Jimmy Goldsmith as head of the Referendum Party in Britain which was created to hijack the groups opposing the European Union and lead them to glorious failure. McAlpine, who is heavily involved in a network of Brotherhood secret societies, including the Freemasons, has been publicly named as a paedophile by the investigative magazine, Scallywag.35



He was accused of having oral sex with an underage boy in 1965 and was formerly cautioned by Strathclyde Police for sexual offences against a minor. McAlpine was also named by one of the former residents at the Bryn Alyn Children’s Home in North Wales who said he was forced to have oral sex with him. The McAlpine family is one of the Elite bloodlines of Scotland, possibly connecting with the ancient Scottish king, Kenneth McAlpin.


The McAlpine family has a long history of Satanism in its ranks, as does the Scottish Keswick family. Both are part of a web which operates across the world into the Far East and Australia. A close friend of the McAlpines is Willie Whitelaw, a chairman of the Conservative Party. He was also Deputy Prime Minister to Margaret Thatcher, who was ‘minded’ by Whitelaw, the McAlpines, and Sir Geoffrey Howe, during her years as Prime Minister.


When she had outlived her usefulness to the Brotherhood, it was Howe who made the speech in the House of Commons which effectively ended her reign. Whitelaw was named as a leading Satanist by self-confessed Satanist, Derry Mainwaring-Knight, at Maidstone Crown Court in 1986. As usual, nothing was done about it.


Mainwaring-Knight lived near East Grinstead, one of the centres of Satanism in England. In Scotland, a foremost Satanic centre is Loch Ness, near Inverness, the home, according to the legend, of the famous reptile, the Loch Ness monster. So what could these legends really be symbolic of? Aleister Crowley, the best known Satanist of the 20th century, had a house at Loch Ness and it was to this area that he came to perform some of his most powerful black magic rituals.

A rock formation near the loch called the Rock of Curses has been used by black magicians for hundreds of years and Crowley was particularly drawn to the energy emanating from a nearby mountain known as Mealfuorvonie.

Over and over I have been told by survivors of how they were abused or programmed at the stately homes of the aristocracy or in rooms under the British Museum and other official buildings in London. Names of Conservative government ministers keep recurring in survivor’s accounts. Another paedophile is the former Leicester member of Parliament, Greville Janner, a vociferous campaigner for Jewish causes in Britain.



A notorious location for paedophile activities is an apartment block called Dolphin Square in Pimlico, the biggest block of flats in Europe and the London residence of many members of Parliament. The building has been under surveillance by the British Customs after the discovery of pornographic material from Amsterdam. One resident was quoted as saying:

“We often have underage boys wandering in the corridors totally lost, asking for the flat of a particular MP.”

Pimlico has been nicknamed ‘Pimp-lico’ because of the widespread use of boy prostitutes known as rent boys. The Dolphin Square resident, David Steel, the Scottish former leader of the Liberal Democrats, has actively supported campaigns for ‘gay rights’ by Ian Campbell Dunn, a planning officer at Edinburgh District Council. But Mr Campbell wants rather more than just ‘gay rights’. He is a founding member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), which wants to legalise sex with children.39



Should Mr Steel be supporting such a character? The former cabinet ministers, Michael Portillo and Peter Lilley, are apparently regular diners at the restaurant in Dolphin Square along with many famous political figures. I wonder what the attraction can be? Must be the food. Yes, definitely the food.

People think that ritual abuse and sacrifice, if it exists at all, is rare. Like hell it is. Human sacrifice and ritual abuse is rampant. Look at the Satanic child abuse and murder network exposed in Belgium which involves the police, judges, and top politicians. The same is coming to light in North Wales and other areas of the UK.



The lack of interest by the media is stunning, if not surprising. Ted Gunderson, a man of 28 years experience with the FBI, told a mind control conference in the United States that after long and detailed research, he estimates there are 3.75 million practicing Satanists in the US and between 50 and 60,000 human sacrifices a year. Therapists at the conference said that their clients had pointed to a massive Satanic grave site in open land outside Lancaster, California.40 Another exists, apparently, at Matamoros, Mexico. The Satanic ritual network connects into the children’s homes, care centers, and runaway hostels to ensure a constant supply of children. Please tell me what you know

What the victims have told me would be almost unbelievable were it not coming from so many different, unconnected sources and were not the stories across the world not telling the same basic tale, even down to the details of the rituals and the mind programming techniques. The children, and the traumatized adults they become, have nowhere to turn.



Their stories are so astonishing that few believe them and they are frightened of going to the police because they know that the Satanic network includes top police officers, judges, civil servants, media people, politicians, and many others who control our ‘free’ society. Questions like “Who are you going to tell?” and “Where are you going to run?” are used to break their spirit. Their sense of hopelessness makes them think there is nothing they can do to seek justice, so they give up and stop trying.


The vast majority of Freemasons are not Satanists or child abusers, but there is a far greater ratio of them in secret societies like the Masons, than outside. How can you have confidence in justice therefore when, for instance, the Manor of St James’s Freemasonry Lodge, No 9179, consists of the leading operational police officers from all the major units of London’s Metropolitan Police, including the Anti-Terrorist Squad, Fraud Squad, and the Complaints Investigations Branch which is supposed to investigate allegations of police wrong-doing!



The St James’s Lodge further includes senior figures from the Home Office, judiciary, and the Directorate of Public Prosecutions, which decides if a person will or will not be prosecuted. The whole system of investigation, prosecution, and trial, or the suppression of them, can be achieved by members of this one lodge working together. What chance has a child got against that?


Also, as many of the victims have said, they themselves are drugged and programmed to take part in the ritual murder and torture of other children. This is videoed and played back to them when they are in a conscious state. They are so horrified at what they have done and so terrified of the consequences that they dare not speak to the authorities. Other techniques to prevent exposure include abusing children while wearing a Mickey Mouse face or a Devil’s head.



When little children say they were abused by Mickey Mouse or the Devil it makes them even less likely to be believed. One woman who contacted me said that her father sexually abused her while wearing a Devil’s head and it was a long time before she realized that her father was responsible. The stories of the people I have talked to, and the accounts of others I have read, tell of events that are beyond comprehension or, at least, they would be if they were not actually happening.



Drinking blood, eating the flesh of dead bodies, thousands of adults and children buried in deep graves, the murder of people on camera for the so-called ‘snuff’ videos, the story is just appalling. One mother told a television documentary in the Dispatches series on Channel Four in the UK, of how she was forced to place her new-born baby on a Satanic altar and push a knife through its heart. A Satanist then had sex with the dead body. This is happening in your country NOW!


Many of the victims are born into Satanic families and others are bred for sacrifice through the use of breeders: women kept in captivity to give birth to one child after another which are never formerly registered and so, according to official records, they don’t exist. You can’t murder someone who doesn’t exist and so these children and foetuses are sacrificed without anyone outside the circle knowing the children have even been born.



The Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan master race fanatics created by the Freemason Satanist, Albert Pike, are one of the endless groups who keep women under lock and key for this purpose.41 These groups have their own midwives who supervise the births and they are also born in hospitals under the supervision of staff loyal to the Brotherhood and their Satanic ritual offshoots.42



Other children from non-Satanic families are taken away at birth and the parents are told their child has died when in fact they are taken away to be sacrificed or to be used in the mind control projects I will discuss in the next chapter. Low income parents, and those addicted to drugs, are at the mercy of the Freemasons and Satanists operating among the social services hierarchy and judges.



Their children are often taken away from them for Satanic ritual or mind control projects. So called ‘crack’ babies are apparently sought after for mind control operations, as are twins. I know of twins who were crack babies in Denver, Colorado, a major Satanic centre. They were first taken from their parents and given to foster parents. Later they were taken from the foster parents by Denver Social Services after the husband was murdered in very strange circumstances and they were given to a single woman who had turned up out of nowhere after the murder and offered to be a nanny to the children.



The Satanic ring centred in Denver connects into Boulder, Colorado and this was where the child beauty queen, JonBenet Ramsey, was found murdered in her parents home in very mysterious and unexplained circumstances in December 1996. The American coroner and investigator, Dr Cyril Wecht, says that the evidence proves that her death happened during sexual abuse by her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey.43



JonBenet was murdered on Christmas Eve and Josef Mengele created a sacrificial ritual for this date called “The Last Bulb on the Christmas Tree”. Mengele’s pseudonym, Greenbaum, means green tree and relates to the Cabalistic Tree of Life. A Brotherhood term for the Devil is JonBet and the coincidence is so amazing that, given the other circumstances, I cannot believe that this was not the true inspiration for her name.


A research project into ritual abuse at the University of Colorado at Boulder found that,

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all of those questioned had been subjected to intercourse or molestation
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97% saw or took part in animal sacrifice
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97% forced to take part in sex with adults
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97% experienced torture
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94% were sodomised
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88% were forced to watch or take part in human sacrifice
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88% in cannibalism

A long, long list of child and other murders across the world are the work of Satanic groups, including, I would strongly contend, the still unexplained murder of 13-year-old Genette Tate near Exeter in Devon in 1978. Her body has never been found. I have met with people who have been investigating this case for many years and the evidence is overwhelming that it involved a Satanic group which could well have included some leading personnel at the Devon and Cornwall police headquarters, a short distance from where Genette was last seen alive. Her father, John Tate, also has some significant questions to answer.

A manuscript exists of this evidence if there is a publisher out there who is interested in exposing the case. When skeptics ask how such widespread Satanism, abuse and murder can be covered up, they need to appreciate the sort of people who are involved in these rings. David Berkowitz, the serial killer in New York known as the Son of Sam, has written that he was part of a Satanic group which had orchestrated the murders.



In letters to a church minister, Berkowitz said:

“...this group contained a mixture of Satanic practices, including the teachings of Aleister Crowley and Eliphas Levi (another notorious Satanist). It was (and still is) totally blood orientated... The coven’s doctrines are a blend of ancient Druidism, teachings of the secret order of the Golden Dawn, black magick, and a host of other unlawful and obnoxious practices...


Satanists (genuine ones) are peculiar people. They aren’t ignorant peasants or semiliterate natives. Rather, their ranks are filled with doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and basically highly responsible citizens... They are not a careless group who are apt to make mistakes. But they are secretive and bonded together by a common need and desire to mete out havoc on society. It was Aleister Crowley who said: “I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything bad.

In 1969, Charles Manson and his Satanic ‘Family’ murdered nine people, including the actress Sharon Tate. Manson operated in California in the Flower Power years when a group called the Process had a high profile in cities like San Francisco.



The Process emerged in Britain and then established branches in California and New York. The group celebrates Adolph Hitler and worships a Trinity of Jehovah, Lucifer, and Satan. In the British occult magazine, The Lamp Of Thoth, a writer by the name of Soror H, said of Charles Manson:

“(He) showed many of us what it is like to actually commit the crime we’d like to commit... Manson went astray where others like the Process succeeded. He got caught.”

Another serial killer, Henry Lee Lucas, who is said to have murdered 360 people, including his mother, claimed he was a member of the Hand of Death Satanic group. He said that murder was part of the initiation and he admitted to drinking the blood of some of his victims. The Hand of Death, he said, was involved in drug running and the kidnapping of children for slavery and sacrifice. When they were killed, the group would drink their blood and eat part of their body, Lucas said. Mutilated bodies were found in Mexico and Arizona which appeared to support his story.



Richard Ramirez, the serial killer known as the Knight Stalker, said he killed his thirteen victims in the name of Satan. Inverted pentagrams, the classic Satanic symbol, were found spray painted in the homes of several of his victims and he carved a pentagram on the thigh of an elderly woman.


The number of murders world-wide involving Satanic ritual is simply fantastic. While I was writing this book I heard from another researcher of the ritual murder of Alfred Kunz, a rebel Roman Catholic priest who performed exorcisms. He was found in March1998 in his rectory at Madison, Wisconsin, hanging upside down with his throat cut from ear to ear. His head had then been cut off and his blood taken away.


Such were the circumstances in the case that the FBI was called in to investigate. The assassinations of President Kennedy and Princess Diana were full of Satanic ritual, also, as I shall outline later. I hear the same themes of Satanic ritual, abuse and sacrifice in every country I visit and even on the Isle of Wight, the small island off the south coast of England where I have lived for many years, there is substantial Satanic activity. Britain’s biggest selling Sunday tabloid, The News Of The World, published the revelations of a community worker on the Isle of Wight who exposed the nature and extent of the abuse there.


She said that these Satanic sacrificers of children were pillars of the local community, owners of seaside hotels, business people, local government officers, and politicians. She described the breeding programmes on the island in which babies are bred for sacrifice and how it connected into the paedophile and drug smuggling rings, another common theme. Detective Chief Inspector Neil Kingman, who was heading the inquiry, said:

“I have met the community worker several times and interviewed other people regarding this matter. I have no reason to doubt what I am being told.”

There have been many famous cases in which ritual abuse has been alleged, but these have been successfully covered up by the political and judicial authorities and a compliant, uninformed, and slanted media. In the United States, the McMartin case in Los Angeles which came to light in 1983 was a prime example. It involved allegations by 369 children at the McMartin Day Care Centre that they had been sexually abused.


hey told of animals being slaughtered and other Satanic rituals. They described how they were buried, locked in the dark, and taken to different locations to be abused. These included a grocery store, a cemetery, a church, and a crematorium. The children said they were forced to drink blood and urine and they saw the eyes of a baby ripped out and its body incinerated. Others said that a rabbit was killed in front of them to show what would happen if they told their parents.



The case was under investigation for four years, on trial for two and a half years, involved 124 witnesses, 50,000 pages of transcript, and cost almost $23,000 a day. But in the end it fell apart and those responsible escaped with their freedom. Crucial to the children’s stories was their description of a network of secret tunnels under the building through which they said they were taken to be abused.



It was claimed at the trial that there was no evidence that these tunnels existed, but five months after the files were closed on the McMartin case and the official cover up completed, a team of trained investigators and excavators uncovered the tunnel system which connected to a vaulted room under the day care centre. They extended out to adjacent buildings where the children said they had been taken before they were driven to other locations.



In 1991, an independent archaeologist also confirmed the existence of the tunnels and an alarm system inside the centre. In other words, the children had been telling the truth. In Britain there have been, among many others, cases in Orkney, Nottingham, Rochdale and Cleveland. Each time the social workers trying to expose Satanic abuse have been subjected to a blitz of condemnation by the mainstream media with the Mail On Sunday particularly vehement in its opposition.



It went so far on one occasion as to describe the “spectre” of Satanism as “hysterical nonsense”. Such remarks are so at odds with worldwide evidence that they can only be the work of an uninformed idiot (quite possible) or someone who wishes the truth to remain uncovered. As a result of such imbalanced coverage and, of course, the staggering nature of the children’s evidence, most cases do not even come to trial and when they do very few lead to conviction.



The public would rather believe the allegations are not true because they want to believe such horrors are not happening. Unfortunately they are, on a vast scale, and if you go into denial about it because you don’t want to face the truth about your world, then you are helping to perpetuate this unspeakable treatment of children. As Caroline Lekiar of the National Association of Young People in Care, said:

“I can understand people finding it difficult to believe, it’s extraordinary, but yet, everything is showing that it is happening. Young kids are drawing pictures of the type of thing that don’t come on TV. I’ve been dealing with this for the last two years, I’ve come across many cases of ritualistic abuse and a lot of it happens all over the place; people have really got to wake up.”

Satanic ritual abuse is a global network, another pyramid of interconnecting groups, with the high and mighty of society among their numbers, top politicians, government officials, bankers, business leaders, lawyers, judges, doctors, coroners, publishers, editors and journalists. All the people you need, in fact, to carry out and cover up your rituals and crimes against humanity. It is not that researchers see Satanists everywhere. The ratio of them in leading positions is very high because that’s the way it is meant to be.

Satanic ritual abuse is a global network, another pyramid of interconnecting groups, with the high and mighty of society among their numbers, top politicians, government officials, bankers, business leaders, lawyers, judges, doctors, coroners, publishers, editors and journalists. All the people you need, in fact, to carry out and cover up your rituals and crimes against humanity. It is not that researchers see Satanists everywhere. The ratio of them in leading positions is very high because that’s the way it is meant to be.


The Satanic networks control the system and so they ensure that there is a far, far, higher ratio of Satanists in positions of power than there are in the general population. The higher you go up the pyramids, the more Satanists you find. Most of the non-Satanists are filtered out before they reach those levels. The result of all this for the children involved is beyond the imagination of anyone who has not experienced the level of trauma that they must suffer.

[eternal_spirit]

Wrong again. It is a secret oral tradition and if I recall correctly means 'from mouth to ear'.

The Hebrew spelling is Qbl
EDIT it's like I said look it upKabbalah and the Muslim's Kabba at Mecca. Kabbalah apparantly means tradition in Hebrew (sure that's what I read somewhere Today) I may be wrong though.

[marpat]

not in a twist at all.. and yeah lets here the guy out if he cares to let us into his personal experiences..

my point is though, you never really give a clear cut look at to how we can lean about this evil... I have read lots of occult books with great stuff in them and not once have I been tempted to be evil .... though you are always implying how crooked and fucked up all this occult stuff is.

have you got any leads as to what books I should not read ?.. and rather than cast this mystic paranoia around them actually point me out a book and show me where it is fucking with me... discuss it and educate.

But TW, we have to remember that ES did say he dabbled with magic and unleashed spirits that then harrassed him. I think the reason why he thinks occultism is fucked up is becuase he fucked things up for himself. Its like somebody realising they are bad drivers but then thinking everybody else who drives is also bad.

[marpat]

i associate "satanism" with the cult of pain.


Like those goth weirdos who pierce their bodies :D

[eternal_spirit]

But TW, we have to remember that ES did say he dabbled with magic and unleashed spirits that then harrassed him. I think the reason why he thinks occultism is fucked up is becuase he fucked things up for himself. Its like somebody realising they are bad drivers but then thinking everybody else who drives is also bad.
How many times is this now that you've posted this bollox? last time you said I said I was involved with black magic:rolleyes: And I never said I was. So quit with lies.

If you think you're so knowledgeable tell us something interesting. How about what happened during your time with OTO the rituals and your own experiences? Or are you like Thelonius sworn to oaths of secrecy?

[dereking]

How many times is this now that you've posted this bollox? last time you said I said I was involved with black magic:rolleyes: And I never said I was. So quit with lies.

If you think you're so knowledgeable tell us something interesting. How about what happened during your time with OTO the rituals and your own experiences? Or are you like Thelonius sworn to oaths of secrecy?

Oaths of secrecy apply to individual orders and they must have valid reasons for it.
But the LHP is not secret and anyone can find out what it is all about with some intelligence & effort.

[marpat]

How many times is this now that you've posted this bollox? last time you said I said I was involved with black magic:rolleyes: And I never said I was. So quit with lies.

If you think you're so knowledgeable tell us something interesting. How about what happened during your time with OTO the rituals and your own experiences? Or are you like Thelonius sworn to oaths of secrecy?

Nothing exciting happened at any OTO rituals, no sex, no demons, etc.

I must admit that I have never been in that situation you found yourself in. You did claim you dabbled and got harrased by spirits did you not.

The OTO does have oaths but these are oaths to protect what is learned during initiations. You can actually buy a book that tells you the rituals step by step with all the secret words, etc. The fact is that I said I would keep it secret so I honour that even though it is in the public domain. Its about principles.

You want to know about it all then buy 'OTO Rituals and Sex Magic'. Its a big ook that tells you everything you want to know.

[eternal_spirit]

Oaths of secrecy apply to individual orders and they must have valid reasons for it.
But the LHP is not secret and anyone can find out what it is all about with some intelligence & effort.
Fair enough. Problem is those under oath may not want to admit that they are. It's a common reply from Masons here, they are under oath and will only skim the surface of some topics and with hold info.
BTW are you under any oaths?
:D

[eternal_spirit]

quote:marpat
Nothing exciting happened at any OTO rituals, no sex, no demons, etc.not even with demons, bet the wife was relieved when you told her.

I must admit that I have never been in that situation you found yourself in. You did claim you dabbled and got harrased by spirits did you not.I've seen what looks like both demon and angels, good, beautiful, bad, ugly with different energys, and various apparitions of some human some none human spirits etc and some indescribable things many times, some of those things could be classed as harassment.

The OTO does have oaths but these are oaths to protect what is learned during initiations. You can actually buy a book that tells you the rituals step by step with all the secret words, etc. The fact is that I said I would keep it secret so I honour that even though it is in the public domain. Its about principles.
okay just that you complain and disagree with info when articles are posted. If you want the truth to be known to readers what better way of speaking of your own experiences.
You want to know about it all then buy 'OTO Rituals and Sex Magic'. Its a big ook that tells you everything you want to know.Okay, what about Francis King his book on OTO rituals
do you rate it?

[dereking]

Fair enough. Problem is those under oath may not want to admit that they are. It's a common reply from Masons here, they are under oath and will only skim the surface of some topics and with hold info.
BTW are you under any oaths?
:D

Yes - I am under oath to be a good friend to those who are my friends.
I am under oath to be honest in my dealings. I am under Oath to love the Divinity of Infinity. They are Oaths of honour - Oaths of Satanism.

[signs]

the thing is.. Icke has also made it clear what these "people" are and what they are up to.... do you think he uses the term Satanist very loosely?, he has hinted at times the word is more of a tag than anything... I think its a little mistake he has kind of used as it has certainly given the Christians something to bite into while ignoring the rest of his research.

for example are Satanists people and reptilian cross breeds, who interact with reptilian beings from another dimension?

or normal humans who worship the enemy of Christ, IE a being called "Satan"?



I see your point here ,when i first read Ickes thoughts on Satanic organisations and his links with Reptilian beings and the similarity in sacrifice rituals , what struck me right away was the Satanic networks were really worshipping or sacrificing to Reptilian beings.For me there is no difference between Satanists and Reptilians, they are the same thing.Icke i think was using Satanists/ Satanic as metaphors when comparing the link between the 2 off them.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53920

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53929

There is a Biblical perspective also, fallen angels Lucifer Satan.

[thirdwave]

But TW, we have to remember that ES did say he dabbled with magic and unleashed spirits that then harrassed him. I think the reason why he thinks occultism is fucked up is becuase he fucked things up for himself. Its like somebody realising they are bad drivers but then thinking everybody else who drives is also bad.

I can only assume this is correct as I just don't get where he is coming from.... as he is certainty passionate about it, but his knowledge does not match up.

If he has messed with the occult then its no surprise he got into a mess as he is clearly very un educated about it and quite clearly would not have known what he is doing..

most occult books I have read have always made it very clear that it takes years of research, study and practice to do anything safely and effectively... which is why I have not indulged in anything to deep my self.

[eternal_spirit]

I can only assume this is correct as I just don't get where he is coming from.... as he is certainty passionate about it, but his knowledge does not match up.Did you not read my reply to Marpat?
LOL pompous sanctimonious sounding hypocrite. You prove how little you know yourself constantly, how long have you been studying? Few years? With a reply like that you should of taken a left turn at Albuquerque, you know like in the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

You've be stuck down the rabbit hole too long and lost your way.



If he has messed with the occult then its no surprise he got into a mess as he is clearly very un educated about it and quite clearly would not have known what he is doing..:rolleyes: Like you're the expert haha! In your opinion which is based on a false reality.

most occult books I have read have always made it very clear that it takes years of research, study and practice to do anything safely and effectively... which is why I have not indulged in anything to deep my self.

So what do you call not deep? Such as? Paddling pool kiddies pool? Are you also under oath?

[runciter]

Again you make no sense. I should be used to that by now.

only compass-ion can en-compass everything.

[kasalt]

Exposure to the Tantric Path:
http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/124/1/Exposure-to-the-Tantric-Path/Page1.html

Secrets of Left-hand Tantra:
http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/123/1/Secrets-of-Left-hand-Tantra/Page1.html

[marpat]

not even with demons, bet the wife was relieved when you told her.

I've seen what looks like both demon and angels, good, beautiful, bad, ugly with different energys, and various apparitions of some human some none human spirits etc and some indescribable things many times, some of those things could be classed as harassment.

okay just that you complain and disagree with info when articles are posted. If you want the truth to be known to readers what better way of speaking of your own experiences.
Okay, what about Francis King his book on OTO rituals
do you rate it?


Not sure what that Francis King book is. I have the Theodor Reuss book.

The articles I disagree with are generally crap, biased, and ignorant.

[thirdwave]

I see your point here ,when i first read Ickes thoughts on Satanic organisations and his links with Reptilian beings and the similarity in sacrifice rituals , what struck me right away was the Satanic networks were really worshipping or sacrificing to Reptilian beings.For me there is no difference between Satanists and Reptilians, they are the same thing.Icke i think was using Satanists/ Satanic as metaphors when comparing the link between the 2 off them.

yeah "Satanist" has basically been a generalisation in labelling evil occultists or occult acts... but there are evil people who do not worship Satan.. and i have come across "Satanists" that do not support such evil acts as those like the people Icke talks of.

regardless of if people think these "Satanists" are miss lead or wrong... they simply are not evil and not hurting anyone... though Im sure there are evil Satanists.

this woman is a Satanst and I do not think she is evil.

here she is having a cross conversation with a laid back Christian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfPTGAJozfE

[marpat]

only compass-ion can en-compass everything.

Again I would have to say no. Compassion requires a giver and recevier and is therefore part of duality.

I would have to say that compasion is an experience of being rather than the not-being of the pristine condition.

We can make quotes up for many things but this does not make them true. Playing on words is no indication of truth. If you feel you are correct though can you give a full explanation of how that is.

[runciter]

Again I would have to say no. Compassion requires a giver and recevier and is therefore part of duality.

I would have to say that compasion is an experience of being rather than the not-being of the pristine condition.

We can make quotes up for many things but this does not make them true. Playing on words is no indication of truth. If you feel you are correct though can you give a full explanation of how that is.

you have to say no, but you see things upside down: compassion is the exact opposite of duality.

[thirdwave]

[COLOR=Blue]
Did you not read my reply to Marpat?

of course


LOL pompous sanctimonious sounding hypocrite. You prove how little you know yourself constantly, how long have you been studying? Few years? With a reply like that you should of taken a left turn at Albuquerque, you know like in the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

You've be stuck down the rabbit hole too long and lost your way.

The problem you have is this huge wall of ignorance you have, when not only don't you know what you are talking about with occult related subjects, but you don't even manage to understand other peoples points...

Allow me to attempt to explain...

Now, I do not tell people what they should or should not be doing (like you do) ... I do not tell people they must read occult books or they will lose their way... and I do not tell people that occult will fuck them up (like you do)

there for it does not matter what I know and don't know as Im not trying to make others do what I do.

you on the other hand have been here banging on about it over and over and attacking peoples character based on it, so there for I expect you to know what you are talking about...

well, let me know what occult books you have read, and highlight a page or two where you can warn people over??

is that to much to ask? ... you read a Robert Anton Wilson book?.... Israel Regardie?.... Peter Carroll??... what is your research? read any of these? if so what parts are you suspicious of?


So what do you call not deep? Such as? Paddling pool kiddies pool? Are you also under oath?


I dont even think you should mock a paddling pools depth as you would clearly drown in one, and probably have (as Marpet pointed out)..

I have asked you a perfectly valid question based on what you always bang on about, I will even let you know what books I have read and re read the parts you think I need to be careful of.

would that not be more productive? or do you simply want to fear monger?? and imply that ones privacy is your business?

Ask us what books we like... Ask Marpet what books he likes and discuss them with him and talk about what parts may lead him on to do the evil things you are always trying to imply he does....

good idea?

[eternal_spirit]

of course

Then you didn't understand.

[QUOTE]The problem you have is this huge wall of ignorance you have, when not only don't you know what you are talking about with occult related subjects, but you don't even manage to understand other peoples points...

That's your opnion and wrong.
Allow me to attempt to explain...

Now, I do not tell people what they should or should not be doing (like you do) ...
Wrong again
I do not tell people they must read occult books or they will lose their way... and I do not tell people that occult will fuck them up (like you do)

Wrong again



there for it does not matter what I know and don't know as Im not trying to make others do what I do.
Okay then you shouldn't be making dumb ass conclusions and accusing me of not knowing as much as you think you know.

you on the other hand have been here banging on about it over and over and attacking peoples character based on it, so there for I expect you to know what you are talking about...

You've lost me on that one.

well, let me know what occult books you have read, and highlight a page or two where you can warn people over??

No.

is that to much to ask? ... you read a Robert Anton Wilson book?.... Israel Regardie?.... Peter Carroll??... what is your research? read any of these? if so what parts are you suspicious of?

Not interested



I dont even think you should mock a paddling pools depth as you would clearly down in one and probably have (as Marpet pointed out)..

I knew it you're looking for an argument when you had no basis for one in the first place. And never answered this So what do you call not deep? Such as? Paddling pool kiddies pool? Are you also under oath?



I have asked you a perfectly valid question based on what you always bang on about, I will even let you know what books I have read and re read the parts you think I need to be careful of.

would that not be more productive? or do you simply want to fear monger?? and imply that ones privacy is your business?

Ask us what books we like... Ask Marpet what books he likes and discuss them with him and talk about what parts may lead him on to do the evil things you are always trying to imply he does....

good idea?

Not interested. I was interested in getting some info out of derkeing.

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:thirdwave
well, let me know what occult books you have read, and highlight a page or two where you can warn people over?? I've posted order of the nine angles the traditional Satanic group and quotes from Icke's Biggest secret on this thread, there's alot of info there, you can make what you will of it. The thread is about Satanism.

quote: thirdwave
Ask Marpet what books he likes and discuss them with him and talk about what parts may lead him on to do the evil things you are always trying to imply he does....

I've not accused or implied anything

[eternal_spirit]

Exposure to the Tantric Path:
http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/124/1/Exposure-to-the-Tantric-Path/Page1.html

Secrets of Left-hand Tantra:
http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/123/1/Secrets-of-Left-hand-Tantra/Page1.html

Quote from the first link
He has chatan (a type of spirit) working for him. Chatan is derived from the Sanskrit word chetana or consciousness. Whether there is a relationship between this name and the Arabic saitan or Hebru's Satan is a question for etymologists.

[lightblessins]

if there are these satanist out there that dont worship all the drak arts in there full ways, then y call yourself a satanist, u either r or u or not, im finding this quite confusin, but not surprising after all christians are such a widely divided group i guess its the same with satanist tho i wish people would decided weather they r or r not something, and if they arent then just make up a word n call ur self it.:)

[dslexic]

Positive evil?

Can you explain what's meant by that?

I personally belive evil must exist, in order for good to exist. If the whole world was black, how would you even know what white looked like. The real truth lies in balance. I theorize that humanity has alot to do with maintaining balance in some way. Also, I also thought true satanism was about worship of the Ego. On the other hand you really cant trust anything thats fed to the masses. There are only slivers of truth to anything we read. The perfect way to lie is with the truth. So if its mainstream, popular, preached to millions, or on the best sellers list its probably misleading. Humanity will never recognise the power of its will. Especially if you keep letting others decide what you belive in. We all our spiritual in our own right, and will find the true answers when we are ready to receive them.

[thirdwave]

[quote=thirdwave;805611]of course

Then you didn't understand.



That's your opnion and wrong.

Wrong again


Wrong again




Okay then you shouldn't be making dumb ass conclusions and accusing me of not knowing as much as you think you know.



You've lost me on that one.



No.



Not interested





I knew it you're looking for an argument when you had no basis for one in the first place. And never answered this So what do you call not deep? Such as? Paddling pool kiddies pool? Are you also under oath?





Not interested. I was interested in getting some info out of derkeing.

dear me... all you have done is expose everything I have just said and most people reading this thread see that... and you need to learn this.

your ignorance is the thorn in your side....