The Truth about Satanism and the Left Hand Path

[thirdwave]

I've posted order of the nine angles the traditional Satanic group and quotes from Icke's Biggest secret on this thread, there's alot of info there, you can make what you will of it. The thread is about Satanism.


I've not accused or implied anything

fibs... you are a fibber and accuse others of being so more than anyone else...

I have asked you a VERY simple question and all you can do is try and brush it away with some implication that you have covered it on another thread, which as usual is bullshit.

WHAT OCCULT BOOKS HAVE YOU READ??

could it be more simple??

you only need to type a couple of titles and we could get stuck in??

and then surely we can find some clarity in your views??

I think I have read more occult books than you?

shall we find out?

I am being serious....

or have you not read any of these books hence why you were a shite magician and dont want anyone else to progress in anything you cant deal with?

"If I cant get it, no one can"?

feel free to inform me how I dont know fuck all about you.... but errrr, that my point, is it not about time you made this clear?

[runciter]

I personally belive evil must exist, in order for good to exist. If the whole world was black, how would you even know what white looked like. The real truth lies in balance. I theorize that humanity has alot to do with maintaining balance in some way.


you're a satanist.

[marpat]

you have to say no, but you see things upside down: compassion is the exact opposite of duality.

Explain then. You makes statements but dont explain.

To have compassion there has to be a sufferer and a giver of compassion. This means a you and I situation, hence duality.

People living in the state of unity are not in a condition of suffering and therefore do not require compassion. How simple is that.

[comawhite015]

you're a satanist.

YOU'RE a Satanist.

[marpat]

Quote from the first link
He has chatan (a type of spirit) working for him. Chatan is derived from the Sanskrit word chetana or consciousness. Whether there is a relationship between this name and the Arabic saitan or Hebru's Satan is a question for etymologists.

Lets be secific here. What Hindus refer to as the left hand path is not the same as what western occultists refer to. The Hindu will say a person who works with the body as a means of liberation is on the left hand path whereas in the west the left hand path is purely for those who use magic to serve their own needs and not those of their fellow man. This is why in western traditions it is pushed that people learn agic to help others. Some may fall foul of this ideal but there are some who only get interested because they want power regardless of helping others.

In the west sex magic is generally considered a right hand path tool if used to help humanity but it may be considered left handed to a Hindu.

Are you sure you dont mean citta when you refer to chetana? the word is nothing to do with satan. That is merely a stab in the dark and a poor one at that. Why do you try and make a link between the two and then claim its a question for somebody else? can you not actually learn these subjects yourself and make a decision or is it a case, again, of letting others do all the work and thinking then you just cut and paste?

[runciter]

YOU'RE a Satanist.

thanks for attracting violence and suffering in this reality, double minded people.

[runciter]

Explain then. You makes statements but dont explain.

To have compassion there has to be a sufferer and a giver of compassion. This means a you and I situation, hence duality.

People living in the state of unity are not in a condition of suffering and therefore do not require compassion. How simple is that.

your state of unity is self-hypnotic nonsense, we're all entrapped and we must get out together.

[marpat]

your state of unity is self-hypnotic nonsense, we're all entrapped and we must get out together.

Not at all. That is your description not mine. Feeling trapped is a state of mind. If you feel trapped then YOU need to get out. Personally I dont feel so inhibited. Dont assume that because you are trapped that I am.

I think what is apparent is that you lack any form of real spiritual development. You use small quotes that you fail to back up with any explanation and you show no level of experience at all in you posts. Your posts often highlight great ignorance and a lack of any depth of knowledge.

Can I ask what you wish to get out too? the universal mind is everywhere right now, so where would you think you are going? you seem to be a mental escapist for want of a better description.

[marpat]

thanks for attracting violence and suffering in this reality, double minded people.

The mind is one so how can people be double minded? thought can be dualistic but mind is not.

[runciter]

Not at all. That is your description not mine. Feeling trapped is a state of mind. If you feel trapped then YOU need to get out. Personally I dont feel so inhibited. Dont assume that because you are trapped that I am.

I think what is apparent is that you lack any form of real spiritual development. You use small quotes that you fail to back up with any explanation and you show no level of experience at all in you posts. Your posts often highlight great ignorance and a lack of any depth of knowledge.

Can I ask what you wish to get out too? the universal mind is everywhere right now, so where would you think you are going? you seem to be a mental escapist for want of a better description.

more self-hypnosis from you, i understand your need to reinforce the oto brainwashing.

[runciter]

The mind is one so how can people be double minded? thought can be dualistic but mind is not.

left brain / right brain

[marpat]

more self-hypnosis from you, i understand your need to reinforce the oto brainwashing.


Why do you resort to making crude, false statements?

The OTO promotes a system where the true will of the individual is paramount so how can that be brainwashing? also, the thoughts expressed are my own and not taken froma web page or book. I guess it is a case of your ignorance again, assuming you know stuff when you have no experience or knowledge. I would also state for the record that although I am currently a member I have not been to a meeting nor met anybody from the organisation for around 2 years. I have hardly read any OTO related material for even longer so I could hardly be considered hardcore.

If you feel it is self hypnosis then feel free to explain exactly how. Perhaps you have hypnotised yourself into believing conspiracy theories.

I personally feel that you exhibit that mentality of somebody who has built themselves into a fantasy world of fear where you feel trapped but the very tools that you could use to break out of such a prison are the very ones that you are afraid of. The path to inner freedom and knowledge is a very difficult one with many challenges and you strike me as one who would not be able to face up to your own inner darkness and overcome it. I await a sterotype quote :rolleyes:

[marpat]

left brain / right brain

Brain is not mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[runciter]

Why do you resort to making crude, false statements?

The OTO promotes a system where the true will of the individual is paramount so how can that be brainwashing? also, the thoughts expressed are my own and not taken froma web page or book. I guess it is a case of your ignorance again, assuming you know stuff when you have no experience or knowledge. I would also state for the record that although I am currently a member I have not been to a meeting nor met anybody from the organisation for around 2 years. I have hardly read any OTO related material for even longer so I could hardly be considered hardcore.

If you feel it is self hypnosis then feel free to explain exactly how. Perhaps you have hypnotised yourself into believing conspiracy theories.

I personally feel that you exhibit that mentality of somebody who has built themselves into a fantasy world of fear where you feel trapped but the very tools that you could use to break out of such a prison are the very ones that you are afraid of. The path to inner freedom and knowledge is a very difficult one with many challenges and you strike me as one who would not be able to face up to your own inner darkness and overcome it. I await a sterotype quote :rolleyes:

the universe gives you freedom of choice, you choose to worship pain.

[runciter]

Brain is not mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

give me your brain, then tell me about your mind.

[marpat]

the universe gives you freedom of choice, you choose to worship pain.


ha ha, I knew you would have some stupid response.

Pain is a fact of life. I consider the journey through life as an act of healing where you confront the things that create pain. Success heals that problem.

The soul has the power to make choices. It is not the universe that gives you the choice. Maybe you should use your power of choice to actually learn something by doing it rather than quoting books. It is more fun and you will appreciate things more.

I am still waiting for explanations of your posts. Like I said, you find it easy to use little quotes but you cant seem to explain anything. As a deflection you then try and make absurd comments.

[marpat]

give me your brain, then tell me about your mind.

The brain is nothing more than a medium for the mind so that it can be manifest into a physical world.

[runciter]

ha ha, I knew you would have some stupid response.

Pain is a fact of life. I consider the journey through life as an act of healing where you confront the things that create pain. Success heals that problem.

The soul has the power to make choices. It is not the universe that gives you the choice. Maybe you should use your power of choice to actually learn something by doing it rather than quoting books. It is more fun and you will appreciate things more.

I am still waiting for explanations of your posts. Like I said, you find it easy to use little quotes but you cant seem to explain anything. As a deflection you then try and make absurd comments.

our present condition is artificial, we're living under a spell of some kind.

[runciter]

The brain is nothing more than a medium for the mind so that it can be manifest into a physical world.

no brain no mind, in our present condition.

[marpat]

no brain no mind, in our present condition.

Yes the brain is needed in the physical body but that does not mean mind is dualistic!!!

[marpat]

our present condition is artificial, we're living under a spell of some kind.

Not quite. I could debate this much further but presently I have to get ready to go away for several weeks.

There is nothing artifical about the world but only mans relationship to it.

[runciter]

Yes the brain is needed in the physical body but that does not mean mind is dualistic!!!

there is a dualistic tendency, due to our biological "hardware", that shall be overcome.

[runciter]

Not quite. I could debate this much further but presently I have to get ready to go away for several weeks.

There is nothing artifical about the world but only mans relationship to it.

something's not quite right about this world, and it has to do with man's relationship to others.

think about it, while you're away :)

[marpat]

something's not quite right about this world, and it has to do with man's relationship to others.

think about it, while you're away :)

Isnt that what I just said? when I talk of mans relationship to the world I also mean the people in it.

[eternal_spirit]

Lets be secific here. What Hindus refer to as the left hand path is not the same as what western occultists refer to. The Hindu will say a person who works with the body as a means of liberation is on the left hand path whereas in the west the left hand path is purely for those who use magic to serve their own needs and not those of their fellow man. This is why in western traditions it is pushed that people learn agic to help others. Some may fall foul of this ideal but there are some who only get interested because they want power regardless of helping others.

In the west sex magic is generally considered a right hand path tool if used to help humanity but it may be considered left handed to a Hindu.

Are you sure you dont mean citta when you refer to chetana? the word is nothing to do with satan. That is merely a stab in the dark and a poor one at that. Why do you try and make a link between the two and then claim its a question for somebody else? can you not actually learn these subjects yourself and make a decision or is it a case, again, of letting others do all the work and thinking then you just cut and paste?
There's another option the middle way.
Kasalt posted two links I read one basically the tantric gets what he want by performing magic tricks, the people will give him things such as food some fear him and if they don't give him what he wants they fear something bad will happen curses etc.
Go look yourself and see what it says
Quote:
Originally Posted by kasalt http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=805476#post805476)
Exposure to the Tantric Path:
http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/...ath/Page1.html (http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/124/1/Exposure-to-the-Tantric-Path/Page1.html)

Secrets of Left-hand Tantra:
http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/...tra/Page1.html (http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/123/1/Secrets-of-Left-hand-Tantra/Page1.html)

Quote from the first link
He has chatan (a type of spirit) working for him. Chatan is derived from the Sanskrit word chetana or consciousness. Whether there is a relationship between this name and the Arabic saitan or Hebru's Satan is a question for etymologists.

[runciter]

Isnt that what I just said? when I talk of mans relationship to the world I also mean the people in it.

then we seem to agree on something..

but i'm not so sure about the necessity of suffering,

i think it's a vicious circle that was started thousands of years ago.

[marpat]

If you want to look at dodgy Hindu stories read the Autobiography of a yogi. In it the author claims that he had the honour of sharing his gurus bed on occasions.

ES, on the subject of the middle way, that is what most western based occultists actually strive for. It is quite obvious when you read the literature of many of them. What I was commenting on were the different interpretations of what the left and right hadn paths are.

We also have to accept that not all schools and teachers use a set of terms that have exact, precise meanings. They may often use similar terms to mean different things. This is why you have to actually get into the stuff and see where they are coming from rather than focussing on specific terms. An example is astral projection. Some people believe astral projection is flying around the world in a sublte body, some see it as a projection of consciousness rather than a seperate body, while others will say that this type of projection is etheric projection and that astral projection refers to moving around the astral world in a sublte body.

Do not get hung up on terms as they do not mean the same for everybody. This goes for left hand path, satanism, witchcraft, etc.

[marpat]

then we seem to agree on something..

but i'm not so sure about the necessity of suffering,

i think it's a vicious circle that was started thousands of years ago.

Suffering is something you cannot avoid, only overcome. If you lived in the far north and had no fire you would suffer terribly until you overcame that problem by learning how to make a fire. This is a basic princple. It is the deliberate suffering cause by people which is the real evil, not suffering as a consequence of existence. Still, the task is to overcome that deliberate evil

[14april2000]

I believe that the world is a fucked up place and regardless of your belief system, you are capable of acts that some would call satanic.

George Bush is a christian and has ordered troops into Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result people have died? Is this a christian blood ritual? I know that Bush isn't really a christian but it is an example of how far the satanic conspiracy actually goes.

Yeah I do believe there are people out there who kill children in the name of satan but to me they are no different than people like Jim Jones who killed in the name of god.

Every human is capable of commiting abhorrant acts whether it be in the name of satan, yahweh, jesus, allah, etc etc What I disagree with is that every satanist around the world is a blood drinking lunatic. This IS monotheistic religious propaganda to keep the sheep afraid.




Bush is not christian he is born again into satanic order of Shull & Bones.

[marpat]

Bush is not christian he is born again into satanic order of Shull & Bones.

Must be why he goes to church then and claims god told him to invade Iraq.

[runciter]

Suffering is something you cannot avoid, only overcome. If you lived in the far north and had no fire you would suffer terribly until you overcame that problem by learning how to make a fire. This is a basic princple. It is the deliberate suffering cause by people which is the real evil, not suffering as a consequence of existence. Still, the task is to overcome that deliberate evil

i'm not convinced.

i think our present condition is the consequence of a catastrophe that happened thousands of years ago,

and i'm sure we'll soon reestablish the original harmony.

expect the unexpected.

[supertzar]

Must be why he goes to church then and claims god told him to invade Iraq.

How inane can you get?

[marpat]

How inane can you get?

Are those not facts?

[marpat]

i'm not convinced.

i think our present condition is the consequence of a catastrophe that happened thousands of years ago,

and i'm sure we'll soon reestablish the original harmony.

expect the unexpected.


How? it is easy to say that but lets see how you think it will play out.

[runciter]

How? it is easy to say that but lets see how you think it will play out.

you'll know it when you see it, just wait and be confident.

[marpat]

you'll know it when you see it, just wait and be confident.

So we sit around until 2012 and hope some galactic alignment will sort everything out?

Personally I believe in dealing with things in the here and now, not pinning my hopes on something that may or may not happen in the future.

My own feeling for the future is quite positive and I do feel that positive change is in the air, so to speak, although this is in stark contrast to what we are presented with via the media on a daily basis. I would like to think there will be some mass awakening but personally I would not hold my breath waiting for it.

[runciter]

So we sit around until 2012 and hope some galactic alignment will sort everything out?

Personally I believe in dealing with things in the here and now, not pinning my hopes on something that may or may not happen in the future.

My own feeling for the future is quite positive and I do feel that positive change is in the air, so to speak, although this is in stark contrast to what we are presented with via the media on a daily basis. I would like to think there will be some mass awakening but personally I would not hold my breath waiting for it.

i think the 2012 thing is misleading, the awakening is an active process, not a date.

i'm not waiting passively for something.. i'm trying to catch the spirit of the moment.

[marpat]

i think the 2012 thing is misleading, the awakening is an active process, not a date.

i'm not waiting passively for something.. i'm trying to catch the spirit of the moment.

Well at least we agree on the 2012 thing. I agree with being spontneous but I also think that it is more effective when the ground has already been prepared!! to me it is not a good idea waiting for the moment to arrive just to find you have mental baggage or something that ruins the chance.

[runciter]

no one will miss the great synchronization, when it happens :cool:

it's a collective experience that will involve all life on this planet.

(it's already happening i'd say, i can see the signs from time to time)

[sukyspook]

haha, that´s a good one.

I would say that the Rothschilds serve Lucifer, who according to The Bible became Satan when he fell - ie man's beast/purely materialistic nature.

Satan intends to be 'king of the world' aided by his Rothschild/vatican/zionist/satanic lackies but they will all be dumped when they achieve his enthronement.

God, The Most High Creator of everything, including Lucifer/Satan can only manifest in this 'realm' through human beings who choose to live in His way - as certain people choose to serve Lucifer/Satan manifest his will 'here'.

[eternal_spirit]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7r--y5R663U/SWJuycBaCdI/AAAAAAAAB2U/ENBarhIpzuU/s1600/Kali-Shiva.jpg


Your post is invisible:confused:

The All Seeing Eye_ (April 1931) by 33 deg. Scottish Rite Masonic writer Manly Palmer Hall.

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood }"--the "Illustrious" Manly Palmer Hall 33°, _The Secret Teachings of All Ages_, pg. CIV

[comawhite015]

thanks for attracting violence and suffering in this reality, double minded people.

You're pretty negative yourself. Sarcasm is negative. You negative thing. You're attracting dark forces with that.

[kasalt]

Your post is invisible:confused:

Dang it, I tried posting an image from another site and but its not loading for some reason. I'll see if I can attach it...

[sukyspook]

Your post is invisible:confused:

The All Seeing Eye_ (April 1931) by 33 deg. Scottish Rite Masonic writer Manly Palmer Hall.

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood }"--the "Illustrious" Manly Palmer Hall 33°, _The Secret Teachings of All Ages_, pg. CIV

Wooooaaaaahhhh!

Imagine if a couple of million 'people' practised this kind of ritual - we'd have chaos and a very negative society....oh, look around us lol!

Is it fair to inflict this kind of spiritual warfare on billions who just want to live in True Peace on Earth???

[runciter]

You're pretty negative yourself. Sarcasm is negative. You negative thing. You're attracting dark forces with that.

it wasn't sarcasm, believing in the necessity of evil is an excellent way to attract it.

[runciter]

Dang it, I tried posting an image from another site and but its not loading for some reason. I'll see if I can attach it...

are we approaching the end of kali yuga? i think so.

[kasalt]

are we approaching the end of kali yuga? i think so.

All I can say is, we'll know when it happens but I'm not holding my breath. Predictions rarely seem to come true, however...
Golden Age to begin in 2012? - Mayan Calendar Corroborates Hindu Prophecy:

http://hinduism.about.com/od/basics/a/goldenage.htm

In the “Brahma-Vaivarta Purana”, Lord Krishna tells Ganga Devi that a Golden Age will come in the Kali Yuga - one of the four stages of development that the world goes through as part of the cycle of eras, as described in Hindu scriptures. Lord Krishna predicted that this Golden Age will start 5,000 years after the beginning of the Kali Yuga, and will last for 10,000 years.

Mayan Calendar Matches Hindu Calendar

The Mayan calendar began with the Fifth Great Cycle in 3114 BC and will end on 21 December 2012 AD. The Hindu Kali Yuga calendar began on 18 February 3102 B.C. There is only a difference of 12 years between the Hindu's beginning of the Kali Yuga and the Mayan's beginning of the Fifth Great Cycle.

Golden Age Could Begin in 2012

The ancient Hindus mainly used lunar calendars but also used solar calendars. If an average lunar year equals 354.36 days, then this would be about 5270 lunar years from the time when the Kali Yuga started until 21 Dec 2012. This is the same year that the Mayans predict rebirth of our planet. It is also about 5113 solar years of 365.24 days per year, and is day number 1,867,817 into the Kali Yuga. By either solar or lunar years, we are over 5,000 years into the Kali Yuga and it is time for Lord Krishna's prophecy to happen according to the ancient Hindu scriptures. Lord Krishna's Golden Age could easily begin in 2012!

[thirdwave]

Dang it, I tried posting an image from another site and but its not loading for some reason. I'll see if I can attach it...

what is that pic meant to be and who painted it?

[novymir]

it wasn't sarcasm, believing in the necessity of evil is an excellent way to attract it.

"Necessity" and/or "normal" natural state...

My thoughts too. That's the problem with the "balance theory" I think, it's a seduction. An invitation for so-called "evil" to enter one's being, and thereby expand within greater consciousness.
Meglomaniac corruption, like a parasitic bacteria, if left alone, will kill the host. In this case it's a spiritual death. Or,,, ERROR, if denied and compounded, will lead to insane individual and collective self-destruction.

That which conflicts with the Creative Spirit of Love-Forgiveness-Life(the One Infinite TRUTH) is ERROR.
"Satanism" is just a symbolic representation of the principles of detachment from, and would-be usurpation of, the True Creative Spirit.
A consciousness based on fear and denial of IT. The cure is in process, it will be shown it's ERROR.

[kasalt]

what is that pic meant to be and who painted it?

It is Shiva and Kali, artwork by Luke Brown ( http://www.spectraleyes.com )

It should be made known that the goddess Kali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is not the same as the demon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_%28demon%29, after whom the Kali Yuga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is named.

I just thought that image would be appreciated by some on this thread.

[runciter]

It should be made known that the goddess Kali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali) is not the same as the demon Kali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_%28demon%29), after whom the Age of Kali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga) is named.


i've just read that kali means black, and the goddess kali is black in that picture.

wiki tells us that kali yuga and the goddess are unrelated, but it's run by kabbalists.

[comawhite015]

^^ I'd love to see you type an entire paragraph one day.

[runciter]

"Necessity" and/or "normal" natural state...

My thoughts too. That's the problem with the "balance theory" I think, it's a seduction. An invitation for so-called "evil" to enter one's being, and thereby expand within greater consciousness.
Meglomaniac corruption, like a parasitic bacteria, if left alone, will kill the host. In this case it's a spiritual death. Or,,, ERROR, if denied and compounded, will lead to insane individual and collective self-destruction.

That which conflicts with the Creative Spirit of Love-Forgiveness-Life(the One Infinite TRUTH) is ERROR.
"Satanism" is just a symbolic representation of the principles of detachment from, and would-be usurpation of, the True Creative Spirit.
A consciousness based on fear and denial of IT. The cure is in process, it will be shown it's ERROR.

i think the essence of "satanism" is the obsession with control, the need for obeyance.

the cathars thought that the god of the old testament is the devil... i don't blame them.

[runciter]

^^ I'd love to see you type an entire paragraph one day.

thanks for your priceless contribution to this discussion.

i'll send you a copy of my new novel as soon as i finish it.

[thirdwave]

It is Shiva and Kali, artwork by Luke Brown ( http://www.spectraleyes.com )

It should be made known that the goddess Kali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali) is not the same as the demon Kali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_%28demon%29), after whom the Age of Kali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga) is named.

I just thought that image would be appreciated by some on this thread.

it great.

[thirdwave]

i've just read that kali means black, and the goddess kali is black in that picture.

wiki tells us that kali yuga and the goddess are unrelated, but it's run by kabbalists.

I would say its more navy blue illuminating blue.

[thirdwave]

^^ I'd love to see you type an entire paragraph one day.

But that would require him to actually have some knowledge him self... its much easier for him to make implications based on flicks through google while supporting what he wants to believe.

My guess is, he types in what he wants to believe in google and then highlights all parts he wants to hear and graces us with his wisdom.

[runciter]

I would say its more navy blue illuminating blue.

darkness.

[runciter]

But that would require him to actually have some knowledge him self... its much easier for him to make implications based on flicks through google while supporting what he wants to believe.

My guess is, he types in what he wants to believe in google and then highlights all parts he wants to hear and graces us with his wisdom.

go og le ? what's that ? go ogle and mag og le ?

[thirdwave]

darkness.

do you turn the light out at night?

[thirdwave]

go og le ? what's that ? go ogle and mag og le ?

its better in the morning because the spiders stay indoors and don't come out!

[runciter]

i'm a member of the google lux klan

in godgle we trust

http://di1.shopping.com/images/di/2d/30/4a/584b417566346663655575564b4f55777a4167-150x188-0-0.jpg

[thirdwave]

i'm a member of the google lux klan

in godgle we trust

http://di1.shopping.com/images/di/2d/30/4a/584b417566346663655575564b4f55777a4167-150x188-0-0.jpg

the great thing about it, is you can find anything you want to :)

[celtic isis]

Wooooaaaaahhhh!

Imagine if a couple of million 'people' practised this kind of ritual - we'd have chaos and a very negative society....oh, look around us lol!

Is it fair to inflict this kind of spiritual warfare on billions who just want to live in True Peace on Earth???

nice post suky :)

[runciter]

the great thing about it, is you can find anything you want to :)

irony - Google Search

:cool:

[thirdwave]

lol

Brainwashed - Google Search

[runciter]

ta dah

http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/brainwash/img/cover_lg.jpg

[kasalt]

i've just read that kali means black, and the goddess kali is black in that picture.

wiki tells us that kali yuga and the goddess are unrelated, but it's run by kabbalists.

The demon Kali is male and the goddess Kali is (obviously) female. The demon Kali is the great-grandson of Brahma, whereas the goddess Kali is the wife of Shiva. They are two completely different personalities. This is shown to be the case all throughout Vedic literature.

I should add that there are accent marks which differentiate the two names, so I would imagine they are pronounced differently, idk....

[runciter]

The demon Kali is male and the goddess Kali is (obviously) female. The demon Kali is the great-grandson of Brahma, whereas the goddess Kali is the wife of Shiva. They are two completely different personalities. This is shown to be the case all throughout Vedic literature.

I should add that there are accent marks which differentiate the two names, so I would imagine they are pronounced differently, idk....

i'm still thinking there is a strong relation between the two.

[runciter]

in mythology nothing is as clear and defined as wiki and the like want us to believe.

"associated with death and destruction."

"perpetually operates as a cause of the destruction of this world."

one is kali goddess, the other is kali demon, according to wiki.. i see some similarities.

[octopusrex]

The demon Kali is male and the goddess Kali is (obviously) female. The demon Kali is the great-grandson of Brahma, whereas the goddess Kali is the wife of Shiva. They are two completely different personalities. This is shown to be the case all throughout Vedic literature.

I should add that there are accent marks which differentiate the two names, so I would imagine they are pronounced differently, idk....

I prefer to think of her as Durga Ma.

[kasalt]

wiki tells us that kali yuga and the goddess are unrelated, but it's run by kabbalists.

You need only refer to the original Vedic texts to settle the matter for yourself.

[runciter]

You need only refer to the original Vedic texts to settle the matter for yourself.

learning sanskrit is not one of my short-term projects :D

of course i uderstand your point, i'm sure you are correct from an "erudite" perspective.

but those similarities, and a similar sounding name, point to a connection of some kind imo.

kali (as in kali yuga) also means black, according to italian wikipedia,

and the goddess kali is usually portrayed with a dark skin.

they both represent destruction, the goddes clearly being a more complex figure.

that demon is not so different from our idea of satan i would say,

a masculine principle without a female counterpart..

while the goddess, that shares with him some features, is the "consort of shiva".

[oiram]

There is no God there is no Lucifer in fiscal form it's just a labeling & a condition you presenting you're self; expressed by you're own actions, there are only truthful Honest Humans & there are Sick lying murdering assholes which lost there ways from being Human.

There is nothing more higher then your self & you're own action places you into one of these two categories which Humans created two labels for.

Either you are God like = Positive attitude & moral actions toward you're self & others.
Lucifer like = Well most of you are practicing it & it's to much too list.

If there was a God & Lucifer then there should be two of you're self's but there is only one of you so you are only presenting one of these two labels by you're own choice.

All which has ever been written was written by man; so all you are reading is made by man; not by any God or Lucifer ... but only logic will find you this answer. Either you have logic or you don't nobody can help you there not even God or any Lucifer.

Please don't tell me if I am right; tell me if I am wrong!

[thelonious]

in mythology nothing is as clear and defined as wiki and the like want us to believe.

"associated with death and destruction."

"perpetually operates as a cause of the destruction of this world."

one is kali goddess, the other is kali demon, according to wiki.. i see some similarities.

A lot of it depends on the viewpoint of the observer, and the level of his/her personal attainment. For example, Aleister Crowley wrote:

On the higher planes, the diversity of form, due to grossness, tends to disappear. Thus, the Astral Vision of "Isis" is utterly unlike that of "Kali". The one is of Motherhood and Wisdom, ineffably candid, clear, and loving; the other of Murder and madness, blood-intoxicated, lust-befogged, and cruel. The sole link is the Woman-symbol. But whoso makes Samadhi on Kali obtains the self-same Illumination as if it had been Isis; for in both cases he attains identity with the Quintessence of the Woman-Idea, untrammelled by the qualities with which the dwellers by the Nile and the Ganges respectively disguised it.

Thus, in low grades of initiation, dogmatic quarrels are inflamed by astral experience; as when Saint John distinguishes between the Whore BABALON and the Woman clothed with the Sun, between the Lamb that was slain and the Beast 666 whose deadly wound was healed; nor understands that Satan, the Old Serpent, in the Abyss, the Lake of Fire and Sulphur, is the Sun-Father, the vibration of Life, Lord of Infinite Space that flames with His Consuming Energy, and is also that throned Light whose Spirit is suffused throughout the City of Jewels.

Each "plane" is a veil of the one above it; the original individual Ideas become diversified as they express their elements. Two men with almost identical ideas on a subject would write two totally different treatises upon it.

- "Magick In Theory and Practice", Appendix III

[kasalt]

Here's more about Kali the goddess:

Of the Hindu goddesses, Goddess Kali Ma is the most misunderstood. The Encyclopedia Britannica is very mistaken in this quote, "Major Hindu goddess whose iconography, cult, and mythology commonly associate her with death, sexuality, violence, and, paradoxically in some of her later historical appearances, motherly love."

It is partially accurate to say the Goddess Kali Ma is a goddess of death. However, She brings the death of the ego as the delusional self-centered view of reality. Nowhere in the sriptures is She seen killing anything but demons nor is She associated exclusively with the process of human dying like Yama the Hindu god of death. Both Goddess Kali Ma and Shiva are said to inhabit cremation grounds and devotees often go to these places to meditate. The purpose is not to glorify death but to overcome the I-am-the-body idea. The cremation grounds reinforce the idea that the body is a temporary. Kali and Shiva are said to dwell in these places because it is our attachment to the body that gives rise to the ego. Kali and Shiva give liberation by dissolving the illusion of the ego. Thus we are the ever-existing I AM and not the impermanent body. This is emphasized by the scene in the cremation grounds.

Out of all the Devi forms, Kali is the most compassionate because She provides moksha or liberation to Her children. She is the counterpart of Shiva. They are the destroyers of unreality. When the ego sees Mother Kali it trembles with fear because the ego sees in Her its own eventual demise. An individual who is attached to his/her ego will not be able to receive the vision of Mother Kali and She will appear in a fear invoking or "wrathful" form. A mature soul who engages in spiritual practice to remove the illusion of the ego sees Mother Kali as very sweet, affectionate, and overflowing with incomprehensible love for Her children.

Ma Kali wears a garland made of 52 skulls and a skirt made of dismembered arms because the ego comes out of identification with the body. In fact, we are beings of spirit and not flesh. So liberation can only prevail when our attachment to the body comes to an end. Therefore, the skirt and garland are trophies worn by Her to represent the liberation of Her children from attachment to the finite body. In two of Her hands, She holds a sword and a freshly severed head that is dripping blood. This represents a great battle in which she defeated the demon Raktabija. Her black (or sometimes dark blue) skin represents the womb of the unmanifest from which all of creation is born and into which all of creation will eventually return. Goddess Kali Ma is depicted as standing on a white skinned Shiva who is lying beneath Her. His white skin is in contrast to Her black or sometimes dark blue skin. He is showing a blissful detached look on His face. Shiva is pure formless awareness sat-chit-ananda (being-consciousness-bliss) while She represents "form" eternally sustained by the underpinning of pure awareness.

Through ignorance of the story behind Goddess Kali Ma it is easy to misinterpret Her symbolism. In the same way one could say that Christianity is a religion of destruction, death, and cannibalism in which the followers drink the eat the flesh of Jesus and drink his blood. Of course, we know this is not the correct way to understand the communion sacrament.

Associating sexuality to Mother Kali is not founded in the traditional understanding of Her. In the Hindu stories, there is nothing that associates Her with sexuality. It is just the opposite. Kali is one of the few Goddesses who is celibate and practicing renunciation!

The idea that She is the goddess of death, sex and violence is simply not true. When we study the life of the great saint Ramakrishna or the great poet saint Ramprasad (both famous Kali worshippers), or listen to traditional Hindu devotional songs to Goddess Kali Ma, there is no suggestion of this death-sex-violence idea. This can also be substantiated by going to any of the Hindu websites such as www.hindunet.com (http://www.hindunet.com/) and reading about Her. Anyone sincerely interested in Mother Kali should read the book Kali: The Black Goddess of Dakshineswar, by Elizabeth Harding. In addition, there is a beautiful traditional Kali temple in Laguna Beach, California which may be visited on-line at www.kalimandir.org (http://www.kalimandir.org/). Goddess Kali Ma is the goddess of liberation or enlightenment.

http://www.goddess-kali-ma.com/

Further explanation of goddess Kali:

"There is a popular picture of goddess Kali in which she wears a garland composed of the heads of the asuras ["demons"] and holds in her left hand a captured head and in her right hand a great khadga, or chopper, for killing asuras...Asuras try to pacify the goddess Kali, or Durga, by worshiping her in material opulence, but when the asuras become too intolerable, goddess Kali does not discriminate in killing them wholesale. Asuras do not know the secret of the energy of Lord Siva, and they prefer to worship goddess Kali or Durga or Lord Siva for material benefit. Due to their demoniac character, they are reluctant to surrender to Lord Krsna, as indicated by Bhagavad-gita (7.15)." - Srimad-Bhagavatam 4:24:18, http://harekrsna.com/sun/features/08-07/features758.htm


In contrast with the goddess Kali, the demon Kali (and the dawn of the Age of Kali) is described in symbolic terms in a Vedic text known as Srimad Bhagavatam (Canto 1, Chapter 17). Here's a link if you wish to check it out:

http://vedabase.net/sb/1/17/en

When you compare the two, you will see that they clearly are not the same personalities.

[runciter]

kasalt i think this kali thing is much like wojtyla's inverted cross

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/inverted.jpg

you are convinced it's saint peter's cross, i think it's a kabbalist joke.

it appears clear to me that the two kalis have much in common, and are related.

different personalities? sure, one is a goddess, she contains an entire world of meaning.

a demon is only a fragment of a bigger reality, while a god is somehow self-sufficient.