Video: The Endurance Hunt - Ancient Shamanism

[metacomet]

This is the right way to kill an animal. Run them to exhaustion and let their soul leave in climax. This is how animals want to die - how they were meant to die. And we were meant to share every moment of exhaustion with them. That made us strong and wise and grateful for every living thing we depend on.

Shamanistic Hunting of The Kalahari People - YouTube


Fascinating. In my time amongst the hundreds of miles I've run I have often looked within myself and felt something totally familiar. There are millions of miles inside! Thousands of great moments and fantastic hunts had by my ancestors and now embedded within my genes...

Running isn't just exercise - it's survival. We don't need it to survive now... but we did long ago. The genetic memory of running great distances is in all of us! Our greatest great-grandfathers did it. Depending on your lineage other urges like the urge to swim, climb etc. might go back that far... I sometimes have unbearable urges to run or climb the mountains.

It's nice to guess at where those feelings come from... and to know that in some places of the world men are still climbing and running as a way of life. And when I run or climb I feel a real connection to more than the activity. I feel my ancestors over my shoulders.

:) Serious activity - not just for fun. A form of yoga or connection with ancient life. That's hunting, running, that's doing things in the ancient shamanic fashion. That's why we do it, even today, when food comes in wrappers and people are couch-bound.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Fantastic!
Thanks for posting that.

The song that calls me is the mountains; just to be within them. I've found that being out in the middle of nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere is a profound experience. I've stood in the middle of scrub prairie and had a moment of perfect silence. Not a single sound, no wind, NOTHING. I actually thought I had gone deaf. I feel sick in cities; don't like them at all. I hate concrete, sky scrapers, sirens, traffic sounds, traffic lights, bright lights that block out the stars.

I've laid down in grizzly country and had a nap in the mountains, and was awoken by a bald eagle flapping his wings overhead. I love listening to the trees creak and groan in soft breezes or hearing the whispering of the grasses in the prairies.

[leviathanstaar]

This is the right way to kill an animal. Run them to exhaustion and let their soul leave in climax


I'm not saying you're wrong, but something about that even iin just its description disturbes me.

How would we know that is what they want? Why run away then, if they 'want' to die in a 'way'
Why would fatigue make the horror of being killed desireable rather than horrifying?

Please explain further because to it sounds like one of those things when something horrible gets double talked into being wonderful.
I can wrap my mind around the desire for death, but not the events leading to that moment desired as being negative, tiring or traumatic. hmmmm

[metacomet]

Why run away then, if they 'want' to die in a 'way'
Why would fatigue make the horror of being killed desireable rather than horrifying?


A wild animal is horrified and afraid at the moment it sees you. All possibilities of death arise at that instant - this is why they run. They don't stare at you and look you up and down and figure you out, like humans. They don't analyze. The fear is instant and they flee instantly.

This is the worst moment to kill an animal. The adrenaline is fresh in it's blood, it's consciousness is a twisted nervous mass... this is the state animals are in when we kill them in slaughterhouses etc.

The natural and best way to die is to let an animal run. That's it's spirit, it's nature.

While running they push all the adrenaline through their body, their heart and lungs and muscles start to vibrate at a really high frequency. It's hard to explain this really... but it puts the spirit in 'good' form. Makes the spirit 'good'. Feels good. Not bad.

Do you ever feel 'bad' from exercise? Nah. You feel good. Your spirit and body vibrate. Animals are no different. Even if the exercise is running for their life... it's good for them.

So you run the animal until it is in full-vibration. Feels nothing but the air in it's lungs and vibrating muscles and soul - energy. At this point the animal becomes euphoric. This happens with people as well. Run a 10 mile and you will feel utterly exhausted and euphoric... physical pain is no longer a thought. You can feel this yourself if you want to :)

Animals are capable of meditative states just like humans. Deeply relaxed, trance-like... awareness beyond the body.

If an animal is killed by a predator on the spot it dies a terrible frightening death. It is still totally attatched to the physical body and the moment of fear is a bad mental state to die in...

But if an animal is killed by a predator after running for miles it will be READY TO GO and will die an honorable death!

It's not a terrible thing to die. People are more afraid of dying because they believe there is nothing after death... dying is natural for all things and to die in the right way is important.

If an animal does not starve to death or freeze to death or die in it's sleep - the next best death is to die of exhaustion during a hunt.

The worst death is by torture - slaughterhouses.

Death comes to everyone. If it comes in an honorable form that is an extremely rare and precious thing. A good hunt offers an honorable death to the animal - something immensely precious on a spiritual level.

After a good hunt the Native American must thank the animal - because it's spirit is there at that moment. Animals are consciousness just like humans, and Natives knew after you killed an animal it would hover over it's body (just like humans). This is the time to thank it and let it understand that it has left it's body and that you need it's body... it then returns to the source and can continue it's development as a soul :)

This understanding is why there's such a huge difference between how we used to hunt animals and how we mass produce and slaughter animals. There is a right away and a wrong way...

Unfortunately killing animals in the wrong way is big business. Massive on a scale that humans never could have achieved on foot.

It's still nice to know that there was a right way and that we knew how to give the animal an honorable death and treat it's soul with respect.

[logan 5]

Very interesting thoughts and clip! There is much to ponder here..

[boots]

Hey good thread.

There is more to spirituality, than just the "new age" stuff.

Why oh why, do we detach ourselves so much from the infinite consciousness that is our true reality?

.

[exmicrochipmafia]

I must admit. I truly enjoyed that video. Long forgotten ancient rites. I loved how they were running following the tracks and the energy trail of the animals...fascinating; I do this when I track animals as well.!!!!

[boots]

Amazing stuff. You can see that he does show great affection to the animal for giving it's life.

The "tracking" reminds me very much of the Australian Aboriginals and their tracking abilities.

[rossus]

i'm not convinced that this is THE good way to kill an animal.

the fact that it runs away, is because it's scared to death.
and then when it falls down of exhaustion, it's killed by a spear...

maybe the physical pain of the spear will not be felt so much,
because many natural feel good chemicals are released in the animals
brain from all that running...

but surely, the fact that it runs to the very end of it's powers
means that it's frightened.
it doesn't feel secure of itself, otherwise it would attack the hunter
instead of running.




i have to agree that this method is indeed an "exciting" way for
an animal to end it's life, even though it's probably scared to death.

a not so bad way to get meat on the plates
is to breed them naturally... giving them the space they need, take care of them lovingly...

and when the time of one of the animals "has come" to eat him,
take him away to a secluded spot.. away from the other animals..
(if possible perhaps give it an injection with some kind of tranquilizer/painkiller)
and then cut a big vain... to let it bleed to death while comforting it.



having a vein cut, and bleeding to death is not so painful i guess.
maybe a tranquilizer is better to help the animal to not be scared and to let go
but maybe a tranquilizer is not necessary.

i've heard starving to death is not a fun way to die.

[hunter77]

excellent video, very moving. i also thinks it proves the point that humans are hunters. a certain person on this forum suggested people were unable to run down an animal hope he watches this.

[metacomet]

i'm not convinced that this is THE good way to kill an animal...

the fact that it runs away, is because it's scared to death...

...
(if possible perhaps give it an injection with some kind of tranquilizer/painkiller)
and then cut a big vain... to let it bleed to death while comforting it.


Besides having the animal lay down for you as mentioned by exmicrochipmafia in another thread - yes, this is the 'good way'. And no, injections and 'calming' an animal to death are not good.

Shooting an animal in the heart when it's not aware of your presence is called a clean kill but the animal is taken by surprise at that moment. It didn't get to run... didn't get to die with honor.

Lying an animal down and injecting it or bleeding it out has no honor either... you think it's more 'comforting' for the animal but a captured animal can not be comforted. A wild animal deserves to die as a wild animal, not as if it's some domesticated or tame pet.

If some alien came and tied you down and tried to 'comfort' you while taking your life could you be calm about it?

You would rather die running. And so would the animal. Because running is freedom - and to die in the act of freedom is far better than dying while restrained or in some false sense of security.

The 'good way' is letting the animal run from you and spend it's spirit as it was meant to be spent - this is called dying with honor or dying gloriously in battle. It's not 'fun' or 'exciting' for the animal - it is intense and frightening, sure. But it is the reason it was born. It will die at the hands of predators whether human or otherwise.

To fulfill the animals purpose by making a 'clean kill' and then honoring the animals spirit immediately afterwards - that's the old way. You give the animal soul a natural death - then when the animals soul is out, that's when you 'comfort it' :) Because the soul didn't leave, it's there at that moment. See?

It's impossible to comfort a wild animal while killing it... no matter how gently or how humane. That animal is going to leave it's body at death and that's when you should comfort it. At least give it a natural and honorable death... not something domesticated.

Slaughterhouses are domesticated. Humane pampered death is domesticated. Wild spirits want wild.

[drakul]

Besides having the animal lay down for you as mentioned by exmicrochipmafia in another thread - yes, this is the 'good way'. And no, injections and 'calming' an animal to death are not good.

Shooting an animal in the heart when it's not aware of your presence is called a clean kill but the animal is taken by surprise at that moment. It didn't get to run... didn't get to die with honor.

Lying an animal down and injecting it or bleeding it out has no honor either... you think it's more 'comforting' for the animal but a captured animal can not be comforted. A wild animal deserves to die as a wild animal, not as if it's some domesticated or tame pet.

If some alien came and tied you down and tried to 'comfort' you while taking your life could you be calm about it?

You would rather die running. And so would the animal. Because running is freedom - and to die in the act of freedom is far better than dying while restrained or in some false sense of security.

The 'good way' is letting the animal run from you and spend it's spirit as it was meant to be spent - this is called dying with honor or dying gloriously in battle. It's not 'fun' or 'exciting' for the animal - it is intense and frightening, sure. But it is the reason it was born. It will die at the hands of predators whether human or otherwise.

To fulfill the animals purpose by making a 'clean kill' and then honoring the animals spirit immediately afterwards - that's the old way. You give the animal soul a natural death - then when the animals soul is out, that's when you 'comfort it' :) Because the soul didn't leave, it's there at that moment. See?

It's impossible to comfort a wild animal while killing it... no matter how gently or how humane. That animal is going to leave it's body at death and that's when you should comfort it. At least give it a natural and honorable death... not something domesticated.

Slaughterhouses are domesticated. Humane pampered death is domesticated. Wild spirits want wild.


Look at the Human TEETH. They are the teeth of vegetarians. Even our so-called forbears, apes and monkeys have large fangs. humans do not. People in the desert must hunt because there is nothing else. But in the end an all meat diet is the worst kind of diet.

[sophia_h]

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metacomet

Thank you for the words of wisdom

ancestors in many cultures including my European ones
made ritual before going on the hunt

depending on what they were after they made offering
to the Spirits of that animal and said thanks for the
sacrifice of its life

Legends say when the hunters entered the realm of that
animal one would walk out into view so the arrow could
shoot true and the animal would not suffer

others of its kind stood nearby as part of its death ritual
the hunters NEVER took more than they could use and share

animals and humans worked in tandem as we all knew NATURE

when it was time for a human to die in many old cultures
they went to the forest
and waited for death so the forest creatures could have the
body remains

death is only a door to another realm

each in its own time fed the greater circle...

as it was and will be again.

~

[whiterain]

A wild animal is horrified and afraid at the moment it sees you. All possibilities of death arise at that instant - this is why they run. They don't stare at you and look you up and down and figure you out, like humans. They don't analyze. The fear is instant and they flee instantly.

This is the worst moment to kill an animal. The adrenaline is fresh in it's blood, it's consciousness is a twisted nervous mass... this is the state animals are in when we kill them in slaughterhouses etc.

The natural and best way to die is to let an animal run. That's it's spirit, it's nature.

While running they push all the adrenaline through their body, their heart and lungs and muscles start to vibrate at a really high frequency. It's hard to explain this really... but it puts the spirit in 'good' form. Makes the spirit 'good'. Feels good. Not bad.

Do you ever feel 'bad' from exercise? Nah. You feel good. Your spirit and body vibrate. Animals are no different. Even if the exercise is running for their life... it's good for them.

So you run the animal until it is in full-vibration. Feels nothing but the air in it's lungs and vibrating muscles and soul - energy. At this point the animal becomes euphoric. This happens with people as well. Run a 10 mile and you will feel utterly exhausted and euphoric... physical pain is no longer a thought. You can feel this yourself if you want to :)

Animals are capable of meditative states just like humans. Deeply relaxed, trance-like... awareness beyond the body.

If an animal is killed by a predator on the spot it dies a terrible frightening death. It is still totally attatched to the physical body and the moment of fear is a bad mental state to die in...

But if an animal is killed by a predator after running for miles it will be READY TO GO and will die an honorable death!

It's not a terrible thing to die. People are more afraid of dying because they believe there is nothing after death... dying is natural for all things and to die in the right way is important.

If an animal does not starve to death or freeze to death or die in it's sleep - the next best death is to die of exhaustion during a hunt.

The worst death is by torture - slaughterhouses.

Death comes to everyone. If it comes in an honorable form that is an extremely rare and precious thing. A good hunt offers an honorable death to the animal - something immensely precious on a spiritual level.

After a good hunt the Native American must thank the animal - because it's spirit is there at that moment. Animals are consciousness just like humans, and Natives knew after you killed an animal it would hover over it's body (just like humans). This is the time to thank it and let it understand that it has left it's body and that you need it's body... it then returns to the source and can continue it's development as a soul :)

This understanding is why there's such a huge difference between how we used to hunt animals and how we mass produce and slaughter animals. There is a right away and a wrong way...

Unfortunately killing animals in the wrong way is big business. Massive on a scale that humans never could have achieved on foot.

It's still nice to know that there was a right way and that we knew how to give the animal an honorable death and treat it's soul with respect.

great post. if only attenborough could explain it as well

[jack5]

This is the right way to kill an animal. Run them to exhaustion and let their soul leave in climax. This is how animals want to die - how they were meant to die. And we were meant to share every moment of exhaustion with them. That made us strong and wise and grateful for every living thing we depend on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52k6FdApB94


Fascinating. In my time amongst the hundreds of miles I've run I have often looked within myself and felt something totally familiar. There are millions of miles inside! Thousands of great moments and fantastic hunts had by my ancestors and now embedded within my genes...

Running isn't just exercise - it's survival. We don't need it to survive now... but we did long ago. The genetic memory of running great distances is in all of us! Our greatest great-grandfathers did it. Depending on your lineage other urges like the urge to swim, climb etc. might go back that far... I sometimes have unbearable urges to run or climb the mountains.

It's nice to guess at where those feelings come from... and to know that in some places of the world men are still climbing and running as a way of life. And when I run or climb I feel a real connection to more than the activity. I feel my ancestors over my shoulders.

:) Serious activity - not just for fun. A form of yoga or connection with ancient life. That's hunting, running, that's doing things in the ancient shamanic fashion. That's why we do it, even today, when food comes in wrappers and people are couch-bound.
Interesting start to last of the mohicans film.They chase a deer untill they can get a clear shot of the animal.When they kill it they thank the animal and treat it with reverence and respect.

[metacomet]

Look at the Human TEETH. They are the teeth of vegetarians. Even our so-called forbears, apes and monkeys have large fangs. humans do not.

I'm familiar with this.

:) Humans have teeth for both meat and vegetable consumption. They are able to digest meat and survive quite easily off of it. My ancestors would not have survived, or had been such strong and hardy people, without eating meat.

People in the desert must hunt because there is nothing else. But in the end an all meat diet is the worst kind of diet.

It is for this reason that I delegate the 'meat is wrong' discussion to the realm of philosophy and ethics.

In certain climates of the world living on vegetable alone is impossible. Long hard winter climates provide plentiful and hearty animals. Nature made this decision for us.

[universal_]

That makes so much sense....they have the fight or flight adrenaline rush response.....so if they feel threatened they run for their life...thats how all animals respond in nature...and humans being of nature shouldn't trap animals in cages and make them see the other animals go to slaughter right before them while they wait their death so helplessly...it releases a high stress hormone...and no living creature should have to go like that...they should have a chance to survive or at least believe they can get away...survival of the fittest...

[metacomet]

That makes so much sense....they have the fight or flight adrenaline rush response.....so if they feel threatened they run for their life...thats how all animals respond in nature...and humans being of nature shouldn't trap animals in cages and make them see the other animals go to slaughter right before them while they wait their death so helplessly...it releases a high stress hormone...and no living creature should have to go like that...they should have a chance to survive or at least believe they can get away...survival of the fittest...

I agree man.

Humans are sick from eating the flesh of terrified animals. Pure and simple.

It's hard to discuss 'proper meat eating' with vegetarians most often though :) But the belief that slaughterhouses are wrong started a looong time ago and the first to predict it were the Native Americans.

They saw how cows were used instead of free roaming buffalo and saw 'western civilization' for what it was... mass production slaughter of animals with dead spirits.

[universal_]

i'm not convinced that this is THE good way to kill an animal.

the fact that it runs away, is because it's scared to death.
and then when it falls down of exhaustion, it's killed by a spear...

maybe the physical pain of the spear will not be felt so much,
because many natural feel good chemicals are released in the animals
brain from all that running...

but surely, the fact that it runs to the very end of it's powers
means that it's frightened.
it doesn't feel secure of itself, otherwise it would attack the hunter
instead of running.




i have to agree that this method is indeed an "exciting" way for
an animal to end it's life, even though it's probably scared to death.

a not so bad way to get meat on the plates
is to breed them naturally... giving them the space they need, take care of them lovingly...

and when the time of one of the animals "has come" to eat him,
take him away to a secluded spot.. away from the other animals..
(if possible perhaps give it an injection with some kind of tranquilizer/painkiller)
and then cut a big vain... to let it bleed to death while comforting it.



having a vein cut, and bleeding to death is not so painful i guess.
maybe a tranquilizer is better to help the animal to not be scared and to let go
but maybe a tranquilizer is not necessary.

i've heard starving to death is not a fun way to die.


Read my last response...and just think of it this way....it is natural to run away when u are threatened and overwhelmed with adrenaline...NOT natural to be caged and stored for food and left there to suffer in terror....there are NO other options.

[universal_]

Besides having the animal lay down for you as mentioned by exmicrochipmafia in another thread - yes, this is the 'good way'. And no, injections and 'calming' an animal to death are not good.

Shooting an animal in the heart when it's not aware of your presence is called a clean kill but the animal is taken by surprise at that moment. It didn't get to run... didn't get to die with honor.

Lying an animal down and injecting it or bleeding it out has no honor either... you think it's more 'comforting' for the animal but a captured animal can not be comforted. A wild animal deserves to die as a wild animal, not as if it's some domesticated or tame pet.

If some alien came and tied you down and tried to 'comfort' you while taking your life could you be calm about it?

You would rather die running. And so would the animal. Because running is freedom - and to die in the act of freedom is far better than dying while restrained or in some false sense of security.

The 'good way' is letting the animal run from you and spend it's spirit as it was meant to be spent - this is called dying with honor or dying gloriously in battle. It's not 'fun' or 'exciting' for the animal - it is intense and frightening, sure. But it is the reason it was born. It will die at the hands of predators whether human or otherwise.

To fulfill the animals purpose by making a 'clean kill' and then honoring the animals spirit immediately afterwards - that's the old way. You give the animal soul a natural death - then when the animals soul is out, that's when you 'comfort it' :) Because the soul didn't leave, it's there at that moment. See?

It's impossible to comfort a wild animal while killing it... no matter how gently or how humane. That animal is going to leave it's body at death and that's when you should comfort it. At least give it a natural and honorable death... not something domesticated.

Slaughterhouses are domesticated. Humane pampered death is domesticated. Wild spirits want wild.


I agree 100% u seem to have an animal spirit...because that just resonates with truth to me......being killed by injection is like whispering in my ear while you cradle me that I will be taken away from this earth in a moment...what good is that consolement while I lay helpless and paralyzed in fear?

[rossus]

Read my last response...and just think of it this way....it is natural to run away when u are threatened and overwhelmed with adrenaline...NOT natural to be caged and stored for food and left there to suffer in terror....there are NO other options.
if u can't run away,
but u see ur death is near you'll feel the adrenaline anyway.

and "more natural" doesn't mean there's less suffering involved
for the animal that's being killed.



i think it's possible to kill domesticated animals in a way that is almost... or just as good
as the "most natural way" proposed in the original post.

domesticated animals don't need to stand in line to be killed.
it's possible to have a farm, a couple of goats...
and in case one goat needs to be eaten,

you can take him seperate from the rest...
to a place far enough so they won't know you killed it.

[metacomet]

and "more natural" doesn't mean there's less suffering involved
for the animal that's being killed.

I already addressed this issue.


All animals die in fear, all animals live in constant fear of death. This is called nature.

There is no 'nice' way for an animal to die, there are only natural and un-natural ways.

There will always be suffering in the natural world. Human beings are so afraid of death and discomfort that they project their own fears and issues onto animals etc...

You feel bad for animals dying and want them to die the nicest way possible. Unfortunately most animals will die being ripped apart by claws or teeth... pr they will starve to death as babies... or they will freeze to death. This is life. This is reality. It's not 'nice'.

[metacomet]

domesticated animals don't need to stand in line to be killed.
it's possible to have a farm, a couple of goats...
and in case one goat needs to be eaten,

you can take him seperate from the rest...
to a place far enough so they won't know you killed it.

I agree. Domesticated animals are an easy issue. They live easy and pampered lives and are not constantly in fear of death by predators, like wild animals :)

But the instinct of fear and everything is still within them... they will still have racing hearts and wide open eyes when they die... they'll still die as animals.

[universal_]

if u can't run away,
but u see ur death is near you'll feel the adrenaline anyway.

and "more natural" doesn't mean there's less suffering involved
for the animal that's being killed.



i think it's possible to kill domesticated animals in a way that is almost... or just as good
as the "most natural way" proposed in the original post.

domesticated animals don't need to stand in line to be killed.
it's possible to have a farm, a couple of goats...
and in case one goat needs to be eaten,

you can take him seperate from the rest...
to a place far enough so they won't know you killed it.





Did you watch the video posted?....if you did you would have seen the animal lay down from exhaustion almost comfortably looking at the hunter in his eyes knowing his time has come to die...he surrendered to the hunter....his adrenaline rush gone, he is now at peace with his fate......doesn't that seem like the best way to go?...to have given all you have, to have been given a chance to save yourself, to escape, to run free and expel energy to at least think you will get away from death or danger?.....as oppose to being confined in a cage, cornered or taken to a place where they are more times then not taken up a conveyor belt where they see blood hear crying of other animals etc, and if you THINK the animals in cages don't know they are being used for food with no way to escape you are wrong.....thats one alternative whats next? a gun quick clean death or what a needle?...thats normal?...as oppose to feeling the natural euphoria of being run down and exhausted from running and feeling peaceful at the end?........thats my take on this it wont change I don't see a reason for a debate...either agree or don't.

[freedom_thoughts]

Shit metacomet, I was just about to go sleep and then I found this!!:)

Man this is some good stuff.

I loved that video, fucking amazing, I have never seen anything like it, I was almost brought to tears when I could see the animals eyes, it looked so peaceful and it just came across as thought the animals was saying yes take my life now I am ready, fucked up, but amazing fucking amazing.

And the way you have described this shit aswell, man I have never read anything like it, thank you for putting these words down, they have really given me something to think about ..... I am sooo not going to be able to sleep tonight!:D

And yes I have run 10 miles non stop, 13 infact for a half marathon, and yes I was absolutely spent at the end but man did I feel alive during it and at the end, my whole being was just buzzing for hours afterwards .... then I slept for about 14 hours, haha!!:cool:

[tyler]

Sorry, I thought that was a load of shite!

If you know anything about film making you would know that there was a whole crew of about six people chasing the animal in a jeep and in a helicopter. They obviously gave the hunter lifts and no bushman would waste water by pouring it over his head!!!
Oh, and the establishment BBC voice of Attenborough enrages me, for some reason!

[freedom_thoughts]

Sorry, I thought that was a load of shite!

If you know anything about film making you would know that there was a whole crew of about six people chasing the animal in a jeep and in a helicopter. They obviously gave the hunter lifts and no bushman would waste water by pouring it over his head!!!
Oh, and the establishment BBC voice of Attenborough enrages me, for some reason!

I too knew that there was a whole bunch of film crew following those tribes people, but the point I think was that it is showing something that occured on a regular basis hundreds of years ago, and more than likely still did up until white man forced his way of killing animals onto the tribes people.

Why is it that someones voice enrages you, what is the root of this rage towards another human being?

[jojo]

I agree. Domesticated animals are an easy issue. They live easy and pampered lives and are not constantly in fear of death by predators, like wild animals :)

But the instinct of fear and everything is still within them... they will still have racing hearts and wide open eyes when they die... they'll still die as animals.

even though they have been domesticated, pray animals that live in herds such as cows, sheep and horses still very very much retain their natural instincts. when a horse is scared of a dog or plastic bag, it is actually scared in that moment, for its life. Domestication of pray animals has not taken away their wild instincts.

[metacomet]

even though they have been domesticated, pray animals that live in herds such as cows, sheep and horses still very very much retain their natural instincts. when a horse is scared of a dog or plastic bag, it is actually scared in that moment, for its life. Domestication of pray animals has not taken away their wild instincts.

I said that in the next sentence! :p

The only horses I've ever got to know were by feeding them.

If you're not a feeder you're a potential predator, always. Domesticated pets will go crazy on strangers like dogs will sometimes. It can make them a handful!


Sorry, I thought that was a load of shite!

If you know anything about film making you would know that there was a whole crew of about six people chasing the animal in a jeep and in a helicopter. They obviously gave the hunter lifts and no bushman would waste water by pouring it over his head!!!
Oh, and the establishment BBC voice of Attenborough enrages me, for some reason!


There's always someone like you :) Please run more than 10 miles at a time, nonstop, little water in 100 degree temperature and I might take your objections more seriously.

[samiam]

Actually only running fast for short distances (sprinting) is natural for humans. Running long distances isn't healthy for an animals or human. Long distance runners end up developing chronic pain & symptoms.

As for the heart, lungs and muscles vibrating at a really high frequency because of adrenaline going through them. I don't buy that, as adrenaline in general is fear-based energy. It's the same thing aliens & murderers feed off of.

[metacomet]

Actually only running fast for short distances (sprinting) is natural for humans. Running long distances isn't healthy for an animals or human. Long distance runners end up developing chronic pain & symptoms.

Meh. Humans can run whatever distance they want. Yes it does hurt to run long distances... unless you're tall, lean, and fit. Which was the natural body type thousands of years ago.

Men would die at the age of 40 but would look back at their youth and remember running 20 miles in a day, often. This bred incredibly strong people which is good for the species. Contrast that with today...

Hundreds of years ago if anyone sat on their haunches and said "That's enough guys, 5 miles is pushing my body I don't want arthritis when I'm old" they would be laughed at... Small children would run dozens of miles. For fun . Now they panic at the thought of running more than 10 minutes.


As for the heart, lungs and muscles vibrating at a really high frequency because of adrenaline going through them. I don't buy that, as adrenaline in general is fear-based energy. It's the same thing aliens & murderers feed off of.

You're right. Adrenaline can be traced to 'fear'. Instinct to protect the body produces 'fear'. This is illusion. And if murderers or lower dimensionals feed on 'fear', so be it. Does that make it any less natural?

I once got stuck on a ledge in the mountains by myself. Getting down the wrong way would have easily lead to slipping and dying. I was tripping on adrenaline for a good few minutes. This kind of 'fear' is not immediate... but my life was in danger. I almost felt like an animal being lead to the slaughter. I would much rather die running than falling onto rocks! I was also more 'alive' and present in this reality than I've ever been.

If I were in that state of mind all the time, death would be a welcome embrace. Wild animals are in this state of mind all the time. At the sound of a twig breaking. Everything sets them off like me being trapped on a ledge.

[samiam]

When I'm in a state of fear, I tend to make more mistakes. Maybe that's just me, but I tend to not focus or think balanced when my adrenaline is running through my veins. After working out hard I'm usually dizzy & out of breath so I have to cool off by doing yoga or meditating. I personally rather die in a non-adrenaline relaxed state of mind. For me that would be the obvious choice.

I have read that birds make loud pitched noises when going for the hunt, the sound startles the prey so they are caught off guard. I also read that the sound makes it easier for the prey to die & cross over without feeling pain. Not sure how true that is.

[bobbydiva]

I said that in the next sentence! :p

The only horses I've ever got to know were by feeding them.

If you're not a feeder you're a potential predator, always. Domesticated pets will go crazy on strangers like dogs will sometimes. It can make them a handful!



There's always someone like you :) Please run more than 10 miles at a time, nonstop, little water in 100 degree temperature and I might take your objections more seriously.

I'm with him on the film crew thing. Not only that but I bet it would have been much less beautiful without the music and narration.

Still I think there's something to this. The respect for the animal being one thing.

[mrindigo]

There's something more respectable about hunting and striking down prey on equal ground. The animal dies with a bit of dignity, and the hunter gains appreciation of how powerful and majestic their prey is. I think a lot of people have lost appreciation for life, and take things like meat for granted. Many don't even give a moment's pause to think of the creatures that died so that they could live. Thanks for posting this, Metacomet. :)

[chris]

Humans are the best endurance creatures on the planet. I do think there is something spiritual about this, remember the story of the old helenistic dude who ran for several days before dying. On the way there, he saw the god 'Hemes' who told him stuff he needed to know.

Also long distance marathon runners sometimes report hallucinations during their runs.

Great video by the way.

[metacomet]

Humans are the best endurance creatures on the planet. I do think there is something spiritual about this, remember the story of the old helenistic dude who ran for several days before dying. On the way there, he saw the god 'Hemes' who told him stuff he needed to know.


Excellent point... those kind of visions induced by fatigue are priceless and hard-earned, and there used to be traditions to put young men through such experiences... I might have mentioned that a little in this thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76665)...

There's something more respectable about hunting and striking down prey on equal ground. The animal dies with a bit of dignity...

Letting an animal die with dignity is extremely important, just as it is to let a man die with dignity.

To torture another living being to death or let it die without honor or dignity or peace of mind creates schisms in the afterlife and all kinds of metaphysical baggage we call 'bad karma' ...

[helloperator]

Do you ever feel 'bad' from exercise? Nah. You feel good. Your spirit and body vibrate. Animals are no different. Even if the exercise is running for their life... it's good for them.



Well no I don't feel bad...but I sure as hell don't feel up for dying.

Get down off your tamed and broken high horse and fess up that man don't need meat to live.

[metacomet]

Get down off your tamed and broken high horse and fess up that man don't need meat to live.

Sorry, but where I come from, we really would have died without meat.

*shrug* This is a debate for a different thread.

[phemohilia]

I agree man.

Humans are sick from eating the flesh of terrified animals. Pure and simple.

It's hard to discuss 'proper meat eating' with vegetarians most often though :) But the belief that slaughterhouses are wrong started a looong time ago and the first to predict it were the Native Americans.

They saw how cows were used instead of free roaming buffalo and saw 'western civilization' for what it was... mass production slaughter of animals with dead spirits.



Dead Spirits (in the animals) = Dead Food (no nutrition) = Dead People (Dead or Numb in Spirit)


Thanks for posting, I agree that this is how one should involve meat in the diet.... Sadly though it's not as easy or always possible this day and time.

[helloperator]

Sorry, but where I come from, we really would have died without meat.

*shrug* This is a debate for a different thread.

You would have found a way chief

[metacomet]

You would have found a way chief

:confused: You mean eat your mother?

Ah I already did that. Would not recommend.

Take your vegetarian argument somewhere else, this thread was created in response to another vegetarian who argued that there was no good way to kill another animal for consumption.

It was an ignorant argument to make, and I set the record straight.

Now you come in here claiming that people living in arctic climates can survive without meat and that they can simply 'find a way'...

That's even more ignorant... and calling me chief on top of it?

Shove it, troll.

[montag]

Play nice peeps, no need to resort to name calling and condescension..

Anyway, I really enjoyed watching that again, inspirational..:)