Vril

[swethirte]

I'm sure many here will have heard of Vril, the mysterious energy described by Bulwer-Lytton. I find it very interesting that the word Vril is very similar to Wr-alda, the spirit of the universe described in the Oera Linda Book. Wr-alda, a name that has evolved into "world" in modern English, is indeed an all-pervading spirit, an energy, the life-force, and if one knows how, this energy can be directed and utilised at will.

[father ted]

Vril simply means creative energy/creation/result of creation/creating etc.

We can all create, individually and collectively, generaly through thought and application of creating.

[phildee3]

Vril simply means creative energy/creation/result of creation/creating etc.

We can all create, individually and collectively, generaly through thought and application of creating.



I think swethirte has it more accurately;
Vril is the infinite life-force itself
which enlivens the creative force as well as it's resulting creations.

And yes, it can can be directed and utilised at will
but only sucessfully by those who have the highest of moral intentions.

The Nazi third reich tried and failed.
The present fourth reich (illuminati/NWO) are continuing to try but they continue to fail for the very same reason - selfishness.

[father ted]

I think swethirte has it more accurately;
Vril is the infinite life-force itself
which enlivens the creative force as well as it's resulting creations.

And yes, it can can be directed and utilised at will
but only sucessfully by those who have the highest of moral intentions.

The Nazi third reich tried and failed.
The present fourth reich (illuminati/NWO) are continuing to try but they continue to fail for the very same reason - selfishness.

I think we're both describing orgone/chi/ vrill energy. I think it's neutral and can be used for good and bad. Evil can utalise that energy as well. I would say that life-force IS creative energy itselfs, you know, like which came first, chicken or egg...

[phildee3]

I think we're both describing orgone/chi/vrill energy.



okay



I think it's neutral and can be used for good and bad. Evil can utalise that energy as well.



Only up to a point,
then it will turn around and kick you in the ass!

Hitler learned that.
The neo-cons and and the zionists are about to!



I would say that life-force IS creative energy itselfs, you know, like which came first, chicken or egg...



Life-force is infinite -
so it always was.

[swethirte]

The energy I'm referring to is an actual physical energy that can be felt. It can be drawn into the body and directed outwards again to effect actual changes in the physical realm.

[phildee3]

The energy I'm referring to is an actual physical energy that can be felt.
It can be drawn into the body and directed outwards again to effect actual changes in the physical realm.



This is vril that has been harnessed and channelled through the use of a "vril staff."

I'm talking about the "all-permeating fluid" which is the untapped, spiritual source.

It's the same substance, but in it's naturally ocurring state.

[phildee3]

[Vril] is indeed an all-pervading spirit, an energy, the life-force, and if one knows how, this energy can be directed and utilised at will.



I don't know of anyone who has done this more sucessfully than John Worrell Keely.

Rudolf Steiner reckoned that his own, greatest achievement was his mystery plays.
The central charcter was based on Keely, and named Dr. Strader.

An understanding of both Keely's work and Steiner's mystery plays are essential to taking this science forward, imo.

[astrochicken]

The Nazi third reich tried and failed..

If they did or didn't we'll never know.

Vril, in my understanding, is what Wilhelm Reich would call Orgone,
the chinese would call chi, and from which Keely and Tesla managed to
*create* electricity.

Vril is all around, and one of the main aspects of the svastikah throughout history was to draw upon this energy.

That's why certain aspects, especially the esoteric angle of that period will never be up for debate as those years in history will allways be clouded by the alleged genocide.

[swethirte]

This is vril that has been harnessed and channelled through the use of a "vril staff."

I'm talking about the "all-permeating fluid" which is the untapped, spiritual source.

It's the same substance, but in it's naturally ocurring state.

I know that the term "vril staff" was used by Bulwer Lytton, but in order to channel the energy by far the most effective object to use is a flame. Just a small, single flame, as long as it is never allowed to go out.

[swethirte]

If they did or didn't we'll never know.

Vril, in my understanding, is what Wilhelm Reich would call Orgone,
the chinese would call chi, and from which Keely and Tesla managed to
*create* electricity.

Vril is all around, and one of the main aspects of the svastikah throughout history was to draw upon this energy.

That's why certain aspects, especially the esoteric angle of that period will never be up for debate as those years in history will allways be clouded by the alleged genocide.

It certainly has electrical properties, in the same way that magnetism does.

[phildee3]

I know that the term "vril staff" was used by Bulwer Lytton, but in order to channel the energy by far the most effective object to use is a flame. Just a small, single flame, as long as it is never allowed to go out.



Can you say more about this, either in your own words or provide a link/reference?

I can understand how this can be a channel for vril, but how does one harness and direct the energy??

[phildee3]

Vril, in my understanding, is what Wilhelm Reich would call Orgone,
the chinese would call chi, and from which Keely and Tesla managed to
*create* electricity.



Yes. It's also called prana.



Vril is all around, and one of the main aspects of the svastikah throughout history was to draw upon this energy.



Yes.



That's why certain aspects, especially the esoteric angle of that period will never be up for debate as those years in history will allways be clouded by the alleged genocide.



I have to disagree, and I fail to see the causal link here.

Whether or not the genocide happened (or to what degree), power corrupts.
To posess the ability to harness and use vril comes the responsibility to use it selflessly.
However he actually used it (or didn't), Hitler, and the administration, became obsessed with power itself - of having it for himself/themselves.

It turned on them and drove them ego-maniacal.

Had they not succumbed to this, they could have created a paradise on earth.

[father ted]

Ahh,
It's also called the force.

[swethirte]

Can you say more about this, either in your own words or provide a link/reference?

I can understand how this can be a channel for vril, but how does one harness and direct the energy??

We harness and direct the energy in the following way. Firstly our bodies must be kept in a state that allows us to do so, which means permanently abstaining from orgasm. Each day we spend six hours, bending our knees before the eternal flame, known as the foddik, 1200 times, with our hands on our foreheads. We suck in the energy from the earth through our feet and from the heavens through our hands, convert it in our bodies, then direct it outwards again through our knees.

http://frya.angelfire.com/3adelbrost.htm#VII

[phildee3]

It's also called the force.



In science fiction, yes,
and science fiction is based on science fact.

[phildee3]

We harness and direct the energy in the following way. Firstly our bodies must be kept in a state that allows us to do so, which means permanently abstaining from orgasm. Each day we spend six hours, bending our knees before the eternal flame, known as the foddik, 1200 times, with our hands on our foreheads. We suck in the energy from the earth through our feet and from the heavens through our hands, convert it in our bodies, then direct it outwards again through our knees.

http://frya.angelfire.com/3adelbrost.htm#VII



Using the body as a sort of pump.
If the energy comes in from the heavens through the hands, and from the earth through the feet (nice polarity balance!) what part does the flame play?

When you direct the energy out through the knees, do you use the will to direct it to a particular place or for a particular purpose at all?

[swethirte]

Using the body as a sort of pump.
If the energy comes in from the heavens through the hands, and from the earth through the feet (nice polarity balance!) what part does the flame play?

When you direct the energy out through the knees, do you use the will to direct it to a particular place or for a particular purpose at all?

The flame is a focus. We keep our eyes fixed on it, and it is towards the flame that the energy is directed from our knees. From there it is directed to a particular place for a particular purpose.

[phildee3]

The flame is a focus. We keep our eyes fixed on it, and it is towards the flame that the energy is directed from our knees. From there it is directed to a particular place for a particular purpose.

Thank you.

[phildee3]

...at the geographic centre of the Third Reich,
in the crypt of Wewelsburg Castle's great North Tower:

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I wonder what happened to it??

[swethirte]

...at the geographic centre of the Third Reich,
in the crypt of Wewelsburg Castle's great North Tower:

I wonder what happened to it??

Wasn't it broken up at the end of the war? Himmler, of course, could never have succeeded because it was men who took part in those ceremonies, rather than women.

[phildee3]

Wasn't it broken up at the end of the war?



The SS torched it when they saw that the war was lost.
But I would imagine that they first took the flame somewhere for safe-keeping.

The castle is now a museum and a youth hostel.



Himmler, of course, could never have succeeded because it was men who took part in those ceremonies, rather than women.



Are you sure?
The men were in charge of the politics but the rites were very secretive, -
and they were very aware of the ancient Frisian traditions, claiming them as their roots.

[swethirte]

The SS torched it when they saw that the war was lost.
But I would imagine that they first took the flame somewhere for safe-keeping.

The castle is now a museum and a youth hostel.



Are you sure?
The men were in charge of the politics but the rites were very secretive, -
and they were very aware of the ancient Frisian traditions, claiming them as their roots.

As it happens, I have indeed heard that the Nazis used women, and the same techniques described in the Oera Linda Book. But whether they took place at Wewelsburg is another matter. Quite possibly, but then wasn't that room used for meetings of Himmler's SS chiefs of staff?

[phildee3]

As it happens, I have indeed heard that the Nazis used women, and the same techniques described in the Oera Linda Book. But whether they took place at Wewelsburg is another matter. Quite possibly, but then wasn't that room used for meetings of Himmler's SS chiefs of staff?



No. That was the room above it -
the Marble Hall.

http://www.usmbooks.com/wewelsburg_book.html

[swethirte]

No. That was the room above it -
the Marble Hall.

http://www.usmbooks.com/wewelsburg_book.html

In that case, yes, there may well be something in the suggestion. We always do our rituals outdoors by the way, but I can imagine the Nazis, obsessed by secrecy, doing it under wraps like that.

[phildee3]

No offence to vegetarians but I thought it interesting that the word is combined here with the name of the Celtic cow-goddess, Bo/Bo-ann.

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[1977]

If they did or didn't we'll never know.

Vril, in my understanding, is what Wilhelm Reich would call Orgone,
the chinese would call chi, and from which Keely and Tesla managed to
*create* electricity.

Vril is all around, and one of the main aspects of the svastikah throughout history was to draw upon this energy.
Kurt Vonnegut called it the "Universal Will to Become" in The Sirens of Titan. Not bad for a satirist!

[phildee3]

Kurt Vonnegut called it the "Universal Will to Become" in The Sirens of Titan.



mmm..
The author of the Gospel of St. John called it "the Word" in his book.

[astrochicken]

I have to disagree, and I fail to see the causal link here.

Whether or not the genocide happened (or to what degree), power corrupts.
To posess the ability to harness and use vril comes the responsibility to use it selflessly.
However he actually used it (or didn't), Hitler, and the administration, became obsessed with power itself - of having it for himself/themselves.

It turned on them and drove them ego-maniacal.

Had they not succumbed to this, they could have created a paradise on earth.

I am of the same opinion. The mass awakening has been and gone and it scared the shit out of those currently (after WW2) in charge.

...at the geographic centre of the Third Reich,
in the crypt of Wewelsburg Castle's great North Tower:

You'll agree that there was an esoteric agenda and the concept of vril,prana or "the force" and it's harnessing through symbology (geometric form and the corresponding frequency) was not lost on those in charge in 1930's germany???

BUT.. this area of history will never, ever make it into the main stream, instead we get guilt and jewish suffering forced down our throats.. which, to be honest, is a great excuse to stifle any debate on mysterious powers and esoterics???

For me, that is not a casual link, but rather a convenient tool to facilitate the suppression of knowledge and to intimidate resulting in no further interest or investigation.

[phildee3]

The mass awakening has been and gone and it scared the shit out of those currently (after WW2) in charge.



I'm not sure that I agree with this.



You'll agree that there was an esoteric agenda and the concept of vril,prana or "the force" and it's harnessing through symbology (geometric form and the corresponding frequency) was not lost on those in charge in 1930's germany???



Your question here is equally unclear to me.
The vril-harnessing technologies utilise much more than just geometric form and corresponding frequencies and much of what was developed in Germany went to the US with Operation Paperclip.



BUT.. this area of history will never, ever make it into the main stream, instead we get guilt and jewish suffering forced down our throats.. which, to be honest, is a great excuse to stifle any debate on mysterious powers and esoterics???



The "mainstream" is itself rapidly becoming maginalised as it loses credibility in the eyes of the public.
The knowledge of these technologies is availble to anybody who wants to do the research.
There certainly was a wave of esoteric knowledge that happend during and between the wars but I think that the "mass awakening" is unfolding now.
TPTB are more scared shitless now, I reckon.

[octopusrex]

Is Vril also the Tao?

[phildee3]

Is Vril also the Tao?



Yes and no.

Tao is understood in terms of these constituents: Jing 精 corresponding to energy; Qi 氣 or flow of energy; and Shen 神 or the Spirit. WIKIPEDIA

"Vril" is usually used to describe any one of these, but since they cannot be seperated (like constituents of material substances can) I suppose it could be used to decribe Tao itself,
but vril is really the active principle of Tao.

[kblood]

So I guess the Vril discs where somehow built to harness vril energy to levitate and fly around?

[phildee3]

So I guess the Vril discs where somehow built to harness vril energy



It's well documented.



...to levitate and fly around?



These are terms that relate to physical objects.
A vril craft is a hybrid material/spiritual object so these terms may be redundant.

[octopusrex]

Kblood: until it learns to act civilized.

[sophia_h]

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kblood: Until it learns to act civilized.






bingo !



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[kblood]

Spiritual objects?

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm

Rather physical the ones I am thinking about. Seems very possible that Tesla was the one who made the first designs, but I can only conclude that from similar designs of the plans Tesla made for a flying saucer. Seems levitation was simply an added effect for harnessing zero point energy.

[phildee3]

Spiritual objects?

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm

Rather physical the ones I am thinking about.



Yes, with their propulsion systems removed!

Once they are "powered up" with an infinite (ie. spiritual) energy source, they are transfigured.

[phildee3]

Seems levitation was simply an added effect for harnessing zero point energy.



"Levitation" is an inevitable side effect of all zero point energy machines.

I put that word in quotation marks because it is only "levitation" from the physical point of view.
From the spiritual point of view there is no such thing, there is only absence of gravity.

Seeing things from the spiritual point of view is necessary for these machines to work properly because of the essential symbiosis between morality and technology.

[kblood]

"Levitation" is an inevitable side effect of all zero point energy machines.

I put that word in quotation marks because it is only "levitation" from the physical point of view.
From the spiritual point of view there is no such thing, there is only absence of gravity.

Seeing things from the spiritual point of view is necessary for these machines to work properly because of the essential symbiosis between morality and technology.

I guess the energy comes from beyond this plane of existance which is probably the reason why the object using zero point energy becomes less affected by the laws of physics. Another side effect, from what I have read, is the ability to jump through space instead of the regular travelling from a to b in a straight line. It instead becomes a dotted line, which makes these vril discs of today capable of moving very fast. It could also explain its at least suspected ability to cloak. Becomming invisible to our eyes and the spectrum they see in.

So it does make sense when you say they become spiritual. I have had experiences with ghosts, and they clearly arent attached to the physical world the way we are. They need an anchor of some kind to even be here in any way, other wise they would most likely move on as they should to whereever such beings can go.

[poop cola]

In reference to some of the earlier threads in this post I thought I'd share an observation I made a couple of weeks ago whilst looking at a star tetrahedron crystal.

I was tripping and playing around with the crystal and noticed that one side of the star tetrahedron (the side that makes a block reminiscent of the blocks in the castle levels of Super Mario Bros.3 ;)) when rotated (and viewed whilst tripping) left trails behind it that outlined a swastika (svastikah? As Astrochicken put it).

Drunvalo Melchizidek says that our light body, or merkabah, is the shape of a star tetrahedron. As I was reading the start of this thread I was interested to see that Vril (personally I feel this is the same energy as prana, chi, ki, life force, etc) was associated with the swastika.

Perhaps to channel this energy one has to rotate the merkabah on a particular axis?

Just a thought. :)

[astrochicken]

In reference to some of the earlier threads in this post I thought I'd share an observation I made a couple of weeks ago whilst looking at a star tetrahedron crystal.

I was tripping and playing around with the crystal and noticed that one side of the star tetrahedron (the side that makes a block reminiscent of the blocks in the castle levels of Super Mario Bros.3 ;)) when rotated (and viewed whilst tripping) left trails behind it that outlined a swastika (svastikah? As Astrochicken put it).

Drunvalo Melchizidek says that our light body, or merkabah, is the shape of a star tetrahedron. As I was reading the start of this thread I was interested to see that Vril (personally I feel this is the same energy as prana, chi, ki, life force, etc) was associated with the swastika.

Perhaps to channel this energy one has to rotate the merkabah on a particular axis?

Just a thought. :)


Hiya poop..

Dunno if you're familiar with the field of Cymatics and the work of Prof. Dr Hans Jenny from the 1950's.. he had some real jaw-drapping insights and proof into vibrational reality.
I found this on another thread and to me the image alone intuitively makes perfect sense and i see svastikahs all over the bloody place in there.

http://www.feandft.com/spiral_solar_system_2_for_web.jpg


The gist behind it is that the sun is not some stationary object but is in fact moving forward and we're just spiralling around it..

helter skelter deh-deh-deh-deh-deh-ded helter skelter deh-deh-deh-deh-deh-ded :)

[charles d ward]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlMmuj_JFZc

:) Esoteric symphonic metal from Sweden.

Therion - Enter Vril-Ya (with lyrics)

[sophia_h]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlMmuj_JFZc

:) Esoteric symphonic metal from Sweden.

Therion - Enter Vril-Ya (with lyrics)


Good one ! Charles

where you astrochicken?


Secret Chiefs of Argathi

could this mean the NINE GUARDIANS who sit in the Halls of Amenti
waiting watching guarding the Earth people while Thoth sleeps?


we fold space and travel across time

maybe this is the SPIRAL that is the basic movement of SPIRIT
energy all thru Universe and within us ?

man will become as god

when we can spiral our VRIL into and out of our INNERMOST
space were the Schwartzesonne dwells we have completed the NINE

we are again the ONE

this is my musings not what any research as given me

here is great video
one of a series
shows spirals actions


VRIL on display :)

The Return Of The Light Masters - Part 3 of 3

see 3:58-4:01 !

4:16-4:30 !

5:55 6;07 !

6:10-6:25 !


pretty much says it real.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8d0VcDmoBs&feature=PlayList&p=DAE592C4D865E9E8&playnext=1&index=64



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//www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8d0VcDmoBs&feature=PlayList&p=DAE592C4D865E9E8&playnext=1&index=64


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[sophia_h]

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The Return Of The Light Masters - Part 2 of 3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq1fRLbjuLE&feature=channel



//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq1fRLbjuLE&feature=channel



illuminatiAgent777
August 08, 2008


Edited version of The Legend of Atlantis, Part 4: "The Return Of The Atlantian Light Masters".

Details the unfoldment of the end-times Revelation / Alien Disclosure / Return Of The Gods scenarios presently unfolding on Earth.



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[astrochicken]

Awesome Videos sophie.. thanx for the brain food!!!!!


They'll take a while to digest. Time to go walk-about with a bong of sage. ;)
and ruminate on the nature of reality.

[kblood]

Hiya poop..

Dunno if you're familiar with the field of Cymatics and the work of Prof. Dr Hans Jenny from the 1950's.. he had some real jaw-drapping insights and proof into vibrational reality.
I found this on another thread and to me the image alone intuitively makes perfect sense and i see svastikahs all over the bloody place in there.

http://www.feandft.com/spiral_solar_system_2_for_web.jpg


The gist behind it is that the sun is not some stationary object but is in fact moving forward and we're just spiralling around it..

helter skelter deh-deh-deh-deh-deh-ded helter skelter deh-deh-deh-deh-deh-ded :)

That is something I hadnt thought about. I knew about Earth orbiting around the sun, the moon orbiting Earth and all of it probably having some rotationational pattern in the galaxy and the galaxy moving around in the universe, but what if something smaller countered all of that? Some how moved counterwise to the Earths orbit around the sun and maybe even more than that, in a smaller way of course? What would happen if you moved counterwise to all the movements we are moving through space? Just the same as if we moved against Earths rotation or something more?

[astrochicken]

That is something I hadnt thought about. I knew about Earth orbiting around the sun, the moon orbiting Earth and all of it probably having some rotationational pattern in the galaxy and the galaxy moving around in the universe, but what if something smaller countered all of that? Some how moved counterwise to the Earths orbit around the sun and maybe even more than that, in a smaller way of course? What would happen if you moved counterwise to all the movements we are moving through space? Just the same as if we moved against Earths rotation or something more?

You mean if everyone on earth simultanouelsy starting running in the direction of the rising sun then the earth might stop rotaiting OR, even better!!, everyone just jumps up and down (ie everyone on the nothern hemipshere jumps up and DOWN and on the DOWN everone south of the equator should be halfway up their jump.. and thus throw earth southbound out of it's orbit or do it consecutively like some kind of global PONG.
:P

[kblood]

You mean if everyone on earth simultanouelsy starting running in the direction of the rising sun then the earth might stop rotaiting OR, even better!!, everyone just jumps up and down (ie everyone on the nothern hemipshere jumps up and DOWN and on the DOWN everone south of the equator should be halfway up their jump.. and thus throw earth southbound out of it's orbit or do it consecutively like some kind of global PONG.
:P

No, more like gravity would be countered. It could be gravity is just a side effect of us flying through space at speeds we havent gotten near with our machines yet. If not gravity then maybe it might have some effect on the passing through time. According to Einstein, then if you keep moving at a high speed for a long time, then the time for the whatever moving at a high speed would slow down compared to everything moving at a slower speed or not moving at all (in which case it is still just flying along with Earth through space).

[astrochicken]

No, more like gravity would be countered. It could be gravity is just a side effect of us flying through space at speeds we havent gotten near with our machines yet. If not gravity then maybe it might have some effect on the passing through time. According to Einstein, then if you keep moving at a high speed for a long time, then the time for the whatever moving at a high speed would slow down compared to everything moving at a slower speed or not moving at all (in which case it is still just flying along with Earth through space).


That's precisely the point i've been trying to make on other threads.. and for me *speed* is synonymous with a higher vibrational awareness.

Everyone must have noted how "time" appears to slow down in the seconds before your car thumps something or how you have all the time in the world to swerve and avoid obstacles. Some days go by really fast, and others just drag along.