Lucid Dreams and Reality

[a_fighter]

I am not sure if anyone has ever said this before on here, but I think I discovered a way to escape the mental prison that we live in(matrix). Since when we are dreaming we dont think that we are dreaming and we just accept everything as being normal, even though our dog may be flying in the living room. This happens because our frontal lobe is turned off when we sleep.

But what do you ask is the reason for this?

Since I also think that our life is a dream and an illusion, I also think that actual dreaming is actually being free from the system. Now, a way to achieve complete freedom is to learn to control your dreams, or learn lucid dreaming. I tried this about 6 months ago, and had 3 lucid dreams in 2 weeks. When you have a lucid dream, you are totally in control. There are no limitations. You can even learn new skills through a lucid dream or come up with new ideas or solve problems. I didnt actually get that far because of school, but now I want to start lucid dreaming again.

I also believe in OBE(out of body experience) although that is hard, but basically you are able to leave your body and your spirit can go anywhere and do anything and time just stops. I never was able to achieve this, but I think that this is the ultimate state of freedom. And if anyone on here is able to do this, could you tell us your experiences?

So what do you guys think? Most people do not even know that lucid dreaming exists, and maybe this is a secret that most of the population isnt supposed to find out. Maybe throught this, we will be able to go beyond the laws of gravity and matter and experience the true reality.

[shansuke]

ive been able to do this for quite a while now before i even herd the term lucid dreaming.i only found out that other folk can do this about a year ago and since then i have learned so much more about it.i can do it a lot more often now like yourself and i can also stay in the dream for longer periods of time.also a lot of the time i experience da ja vu the days following lucid dreams.

[mada88]

Consider buying a lucid dream induction device like the novadreamer then you can have one evry night!

[Ian2day]

I've been contacting someone for the last few nights and weeks going back over a year now. In the mornings at about 7am I've been waking with my head just overflowing with info. So much info that once I regain consciousness my brain just dumps the info and it is gone. But for a brief moment my head is overflowing and I can't make sense of where I am. I hope that this person I've tried to contact realises that I'm sending them positive messages.

Be careful that you don't end up spending more time lucid dreaming. I did about a year ago. I would sleep for a few hours wake up for a snack then go back to sleep and focus on whatever I wanted to happen in my next dream. It can be very addictive.

[synergy777]

lucid reaming is a pandora's box. you can learn, see new things, but is it new, or generated from data already in your memory banks.

it would be nice to think of it as astral travelling, as that would make me one of the best, alas my ego craves it. but in mundane reality, its nothing but filtering, playing out different scenarios etc. enjoy it, but don't think of it as some wonderful thing. although the manner in which dreams feel like reality, including drag from gravitional forces, whilst flying etc is remarkable, quite realistic experience/simulation. it also begs the question if in our dreams, the dream sees real, what exactly does our brain need to be fooled. like einstein said, reality is an illusion, albeit a rather persistent one.lol

we could talk about wave/particle, maya/illusion/lesser realities, electric universe.

[Ian2day]

Well after posting about it. Last night I had trouble sleeping. As I was being sent so much info that I kept waking. I've no idea what was in my dreams as I keep forgetting the instant I open my eyes. I have weird shit going on, I awake all confused and then go oh yeah I'm in bed and try to go back to sleep. This is very strange as I can usually remember some if not most of what I dream about. Its like a barrier or a veil onto what is going on in my dreams that I can't get past.

[mada88]

Forget the novadreamer and the dreammaker I found a much cheaper Lucid dream induction device.

http://www.remdreamer.com/ its much cheaper than buying one from america and paying and the postage.

[synergy777]

i has the sickest dream today, the most evil dream ever. i got sent to some church/vatican, they were forcing everybody to have communion they got two people before me, then they came to me, ( communion is symbolic, death ritual, blood/wine, bread/flesh), i refused. so they grabbed me and forced me on my knees, then before they made me eat, something wierd, sick or good, i can't fathom it. stigmata came on to my hands, the evil priest said you will bleed to death, he was wearing a red skull cap, and looked like dick cheney, lol then the blood turned white, like ether, and they soon backed off, i woke the fuck up after that. i watched end of days on saturday, so it could that filtering through.

[mada88]

i has the sickest dream today, the most evil dream ever. i got sent to some church/vatican, they were forcing everybody to have communion they got two people before me, then they came to me, ( communion is symbolic, death ritual, blood/wine, bread/flesh), i refused. so they grabbed me and forced me on my knees, then before they made me eat, something wierd, sick or good, i can't fathom it. stigmata came on to my hands, the evil priest said you will bleed to death, he was wearing a red skull cap, and looked like dick cheney, lol then the blood turned white, like ether, and they soon backed off, i woke the fuck up after that. i watched end of days on saturday, so it could that filtering through.

I had a dream that I was nicking books from the vatican and I bumped into the pope and he was scary, but then he started helping me to rob books from the vatican secret libaries lol.

[mada88]

I ment to say this

"You may have noticed that dreams communicate to us messages from the subconscious via symbolic images, plays on words, and allegorical themes. But really the subconscious is just a portal to intelligences outside our linear conscious minds, one of these being the higher self. The dream projection, which employs the visual sense mostly, is therefore an indirect communicator allowing information flow across the conscious/subconscious gap. It is possible to do away with the visual aspect entirely and allow direct communion between yourself and the higher self, or at least between your consciousness and the true essence of things rather than their visually interpreted representation. With eyes open, rather than seeing interpretations of the data stream one could after sufficient levels of development see the data directly — this would be equivalent to seeing the “code of the matrix” so to speak" - Montalk

[trumansho]

Are the reps controlling us like a video game? If so are we in Grand human theft?

[infinitely free]

I am not sure if anyone has ever said this before on here, but I think I discovered a way to escape the mental prison that we live in(matrix). Since when we are dreaming we dont think that we are dreaming and we just accept everything as being normal, even though our dog may be flying in the living room. This happens because our frontal lobe is turned off when we sleep.

But what do you ask is the reason for this?

Since I also think that our life is a dream and an illusion, I also think that actual dreaming is actually being free from the system. Now, a way to achieve complete freedom is to learn to control your dreams, or learn lucid dreaming. I tried this about 6 months ago, and had 3 lucid dreams in 2 weeks. When you have a lucid dream, you are totally in control. There are no limitations. You can even learn new skills through a lucid dream or come up with new ideas or solve problems. I didnt actually get that far because of school, but now I want to start lucid dreaming again.

I also believe in OBE(out of body experience) although that is hard, but basically you are able to leave your body and your spirit can go anywhere and do anything and time just stops. I never was able to achieve this, but I think that this is the ultimate state of freedom. And if anyone on here is able to do this, could you tell us your experiences?

So what do you guys think? Most people do not even know that lucid dreaming exists, and maybe this is a secret that most of the population isnt supposed to find out. Maybe throught this, we will be able to go beyond the laws of gravity and matter and experience the true reality.

Yea, i definitely agree! If you always keep in mind, that all's really bollocks, then the illusion starts loosing its grip, over you! ;)

[infinitely free]

Are the reps controlling us like a video game? If so are we in Grand human theft?

My opinion is that we created the 'reps'

[infinitely free]

I've been contacting someone for the last few nights and weeks going back over a year now. In the mornings at about 7am I've been waking with my head just overflowing with info. So much info that once I regain consciousness my brain just dumps the info and it is gone. But for a brief moment my head is overflowing and I can't make sense of where I am. I hope that this person I've tried to contact realises that I'm sending them positive messages.

Be careful that you don't end up spending more time lucid dreaming. I did about a year ago. I would sleep for a few hours wake up for a snack then go back to sleep and focus on whatever I wanted to happen in my next dream. It can be very addictive.

Yeah, it can be addictive. but i discovered that i had to pass through that 'stage'!
I am now increasingly aware of other 'realities' (possibilities)!

But, yeah not long ago, my head was overflowing with info, as well :D

[mada88]

If you use the WILD Lucid dream induction method you can experience a DMT trip before you become lucid. Its the whole seeing fractal like shapes and going through a tunnel bit. Everyone trips on DMT every night in deep REM sleep lol. DMT is also found in Ayahuasca.

Joe Rogan talks about DMT - YouTube Joe Rogan on DMT (very funny)

Cymatics, Fractals, and The Spirit Molecule - YouTube

A quick question about NDE (near death experience) could a NDE be a trip on DMT? because the brain produces a load of it before you die and the brain doesn't actually die if the heart stops. It takes like 12 minutes or so (in that twelve minutes you could be dreaming and you could be in it right now!) are we in lifes waiting room?

[infinitely free]

are we in lifes waiting room?

We might be...
:rolleyes:

[mada88]

I like the waiting room in beetle juice :p It would be very funny if you went to a place like that after you die.

[synergy777]

http://www.occult-underground.com/astral.html

Astral Projection
Astral projection (or astral travel) is an interpretation of out-of-body experiences (OBEs) achieved either awake or via lucid dreaming, deep meditation, or use of psychotropics. Proponents of astral projection maintain that their consciousness or soul has transferred into an astral body (or "double"), which moves en tandem with the physical body in a parallel world known as the astral plane.

The concept of Astral projection has been around for thousands of years, dating back to ancient China. It is currently often associated with the New Age movement.

There are two general schools of thought on the nature of astral projection; these can broadly be defined as the mystical model and the phasing model.

The mystical model includes a large variety of belief systems and astral maps, but they are tied together by their belief that astral projection takes place outside of the actual physical body. A more subtle energy body is believed to carry the consciousness outside of the physical body, and as one progresses to more advanced levels of the astral plane, more subtle bodies are realized and consciousness is transferred in turn to each of them. (Other mystical models assume only one subtle body.) The subtle body is attached to the physical body by means of an energetic connection which usually takes the appearance of a silver cord 'plugging' into the chakras like an umbilical cord.

The phasing model, which was defined by Robert Monroe, contains the belief that it is impossible to actually leave the body in the truest sense of the word, and that the astral planes and the physical world are merely points on the long spectrum of consciousness. When a person projects, they actually "phase" into another area of consciousness and the locales it contains. This can be likened to tuning a radio to another station. One of the initial signposts representing a phase shift away from physical reality has been labelled the state of focus 10 (mind awake/body asleep). This viewpoint can be seen as a logical progression of the philosophy that external reality is actually an internally created state


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[csm_]

You're thinking the same way most people do. Only upside down.
Why is it that you, and many others, make a clear separation between dreaming -the dreamworld- and waking reality? The common opinion is that it's correct to lable the waking life as real and the dreamworld as 'fake'.
You're doing the same only the other way around. I honestly think there's no solid ground for making that assumption.
Waking life is as 'fake' as the dreamworld, and as 'real' too.


The one thing I've learnt from Lucid Dreaming is Lucid Living.

And why is it that 'we' dismiss solipsism as regarding to waking life, while on the other hand 'we' turn into orthodox solipsists when we talk about dreaming?