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mada88
24-06-2007, 04:04 PM
Hi,
I was searching on google for a picture of a hologram and I found this pic http://universal-hologram.com/ZonePlate2gif.gif. Has anyone ever seen something like this? I sometimes see little blobs that look like the pic. I've also seen it in a small puddle of water. I would be cool if people could share there hologram sightings.

smariot
27-06-2007, 08:41 AM
That's the moire effect. I don't think it has anything to do with holograms.

the_watcher
27-06-2007, 12:12 PM
It is a hologram in its un-illuminated form.
Holograms work by spliting the light that is illuminating the photographed object, if that makes sense. So half the light hits the object, but the other half is aligned to "rejoin" the reflected light, thus causing an interference pattern, which is what you are seeing in that pic.
The hologram will be produced when a lazer is shone on that interference pattern.

BTW if you have not read the Holographic Universe by Micheal Talbot it is a must dudes : )

mada88
27-06-2007, 01:07 PM
http://universal-hologram.com/ZonePlate2gif.gif

I didn't put the image up properly last time.

smariot
27-06-2007, 10:31 PM
It is a hologram in its un-illuminated form.
Holograms work by spliting the light that is illuminating the photographed object, if that makes sense. So half the light hits the object, but the other half is aligned to "rejoin" the reflected light, thus causing an interference pattern, which is what you are seeing in that pic.
The hologram will be produced when a lazer is shone on that interference pattern.

BTW if you have not read the Holographic Universe by Micheal Talbot it is a must dudes : )

I don't know what magic formula is behind the image in question, but I suspect it only contains a single wave.

I'm going to make up my own formula:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/smariot/formula.png

The range -1,-1 to 1,1, rendered as an image:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/smariot/closest.jpg

This image contains lots of circles, but most of them are moire patterns, between the regularly spaced grid of the pixels I sampled, and the perfectly round rings.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/smariot/filtered.jpg

This last image is the same, but instead of taking a single sample, I treat each pixel as a square, and randomly select several hundred points from that square and average them together. There are still moire effects (round rings, square pixels), but the effect is greatly reduced.

So, anyway, I'm pretty sure that image isn't a picture of a hologram, because I believe it only contains a single wave, and a single wave would have nothing to interfere with.

the_watcher
28-06-2007, 10:05 AM
Im gonna be honest, i dunno what the moire effect is ok, but that pic is defo a hologram. If you where to shine a laser on it, you would see the picture.

When making a hologram, there is only one light source, however, this beam is split into two and so it produces an interference pattern with itself, thus causing this interference pattern which you keep refering to as the moire effect!!

http://www.litiholo.com/what_are_holograms.htm

In the holographic universe, Michael presents the concept that the universe is just an infinite ocean of these inteference patterns, and our brains, are in effect, the lasers, which create the final 3-dimensional image. The book provides some quite compelling information which would support this idea.

smariot
28-06-2007, 08:43 PM
Well, I'll be honest too, I've never seen an unlit hologram before, but I'd expect to see something similar to this, a bunch of interfering waves:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/smariot/waves.jpg

Only, you know, microscopic, visible light waves being less than 10000th of a centimeter apart.

I might be totally crazy, though. Like I said, I've never seen one. What would be helpful is an actual picture of a holographic plate, so we have something to compare it to, but I can't find one.

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28-06-2007, 11:52 PM
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http://www.ultrasonic-energy.com/Krypton3.jpg
http://www.nrg-nl.com/public/radon/radon.html
http://homepage.mac.com/joebergeron/urania.html
http://homepage.mac.com/joebergeron/planets.htm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Avachinsky_Summit.jpg

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29-06-2007, 12:16 AM
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smariot
29-06-2007, 01:14 AM
Shall I interpret that as 'Everything is a hologram and I needn't look any farther than the back of my eyelids to see one?' May I request some holographic kittens?

the_watcher
29-06-2007, 12:33 PM
Edit, i dont really know what those links are all about apart from this one:

http://www.unitone.org/naturesword/sacred_geometry/unity/in_nature/

The presented idea on this website is the same as one of the properties of holograms, that is that each indivdual part contains the whole.

If you take one of these interference paterns and cut it into pieces, when you shine a laser on any of the pieces, it will produce a full hologram, as each individual part contains information to produce the whole

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29-06-2007, 01:04 PM
http://images2.sudtours.nl/template/fotos/00009370.jpg
Atlantis (http://www.vakantiexperts.nl/Vakantie.asp?Vakantiesoort=40)

The Ticket
photo (http://theticket.ru/online/photo/h08062006195817.jpg)
http://theticket.ru/i/top2.jpg
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mada88
29-06-2007, 03:54 PM
Well, I'll be honest too, I've never seen an unlit hologram before, but I'd expect to see something similar to this, a bunch of interfering waves:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/smariot/waves.jpg

Only, you know, microscopic, visible light waves being less than 10000th of a centimeter apart.

I might be totally crazy, though. Like I said, I've never seen one. What would be helpful is an actual picture of a holographic plate, so we have something to compare it to, but I can't find one.

wow this picture is cool, I sometimes see blobs like this in my eyesight and I have seen a small puddle of water that looked so much like the holographic pictures. To me its just proof that everything has holographic qualities, even when you look at a cube drawing you can see that it is a projection of an image.