Higher consciousness through sexual union

[supertzar]

Once a girlfriend and I spontaneously entered into a zone while making love where we both saw sparks flying off us at the same time. We saw the same mind-boggling hallucinogenic patterns, although all we had done was smoke a little herb before sex. It seemed like what a certain level of Tantric lovemaking must be like. Like we had fully activated the "hedonic rapture circuit" of Leary's Info-Psychology. We had transcended the ego state by simply smoking a little high quality Cannabis and making passionate love. :)

[swethirte]

Once a girlfriend and I spontaneously entered into a zone while making love where we both saw sparks flying off us at the same time. We saw the same mind-boggling hallucinogenic patterns, although all we had done was smoke a little herb before sex. It seemed like what a certain level of Tantric lovemaking must be like. Like we had fully activated the "hedonic rapture circuit" of Leary's Info-Psychology. We had transcended the ego state by simply smoking a little high quality Cannabis and making passionate love. :)

An interesting anecdote, but we believe that genuine and permanent higher consciousness can only be achieved through abstention from all sexual release. I'm talking about women here, because I don't believe men can achieve it at all, by any means.

[kasalt]

An interesting anecdote, but we believe that genuine and permanent higher consciousness can only be achieved through abstention from all sexual release. I'm talking about women here, because I don't believe men can achieve it at all, by any means.

According to Wikipedia: "Major branches of yoga include Raja Yoga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Karma yoga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jnana_Yoga, Bhakti yoga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and Hatha yoga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia."

Attaining higher consciousness by means of sexual abstinence is known as Frigid Yoga.

[supertzar]

An interesting anecdote, but we believe that genuine and permanent higher consciousness can only be achieved through abstention from all sexual release. I'm talking about women here, because I don't believe men can achieve it at all, by any means.

I thought you were joking, but you're not, are you? :(

[omnit]

lol, sex is just a way of seeing into the future, sometimes its a bit more dramatic than others!

As for gender, there is no such thing, its ALL an illusion!

[swethirte]

I thought you were joking, but you're not, are you? :(

I'm being perfectly serious.

[supertzar]

Well, that's cool. I totally disagree. Male or female, we all have a central nervous system capable of incredible levels of conscious awareness. What constitutes genuine and permanent higher consciousness is a matter of opinion, I suppose, but like the song goes "Once you've bitten the core, you will always know the flavor."

[swethirte]

Well, that's cool. I totally disagree. Male or female, we all have a central nervous system capable of incredible levels of conscious awareness. What constitutes genuine and permanent higher consciousness is a matter of opinion, I suppose, but like the song goes "Once you've bitten the core, you will always know the flavor."

My own belief is that no one can possibly know the true nature of spiritual awareness and empowerment unless they undergo rigorous and vigorous bodily purifications and exercises.

[supertzar]

But you can never know what it is like to melt into your lover, where there ceases to be a difference between their skin and your own. It is a direct experience of cosmic oneness - pretty good if you ask me and it doesn't require ascetic sacrifice.

[deca]

dude them lines might work on some bimbo board with clubs and drugs , but I don`t think they will work here:D

[pinkfreud]

Once a girlfriend and I spontaneously entered into a zone while making love where we both saw sparks flying off us at the same time. We saw the same mind-boggling hallucinogenic patterns, although all we had done was smoke a little herb before sex. It seemed like what a certain level of Tantric lovemaking must be like. Like we had fully activated the "hedonic rapture circuit" of Leary's Info-Psychology. We had transcended the ego state by simply smoking a little high quality Cannabis and making passionate love. :)


hey supertzar, never mind the cynics who poo poo your experience ;) i've felt pretty much the same.

though i haven't experienced the trippy patterns you seem to have felt, i could swear i thought i saw some kind of gold-silvery light (the best way i can describe it is that it was shimmery, VERY blinding and sent a little shiver down my spine). my head spun for a good few seconds, after which i saw little colourful dots which seemed to be coming towards me... or more aptly, inside me. they resembled stars, and the thing is i've experienced them before, but only in my dreams or when i'm in deep thought. more often when i close my eyes. all this, without any stimulant or drug.

and strangely, my bf saw and felt the exact same things i was feeling at that point.

i, for one, don't believe sexual abstinence is necessary for attaining that level of transcendance, but i do know that it's definitely not the only answer to all our problems lol :D though i wish it was *chuckle*



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But you can never know what it is like to melt into your lover, where there ceases to be a difference between their skin and your own. It is a direct experience of cosmic oneness - pretty good if you ask me and it doesn't require ascetic sacrifice.

oh, you couldn't have put it better. it makes the act of lovemaking all the more blissful/spiritual.

[whiterain]

An interesting anecdote, but we believe that genuine and permanent higher consciousness can only be achieved through abstention from all sexual release. I'm talking about women here, because I don't believe men can achieve it at all, by any means.

yes but what do you believe?

[whiterain]

dude them lines might work on some bimbo board with clubs and drugs , but I don`t think they will work here:D

lol nice one deca. good to see they cant knock your sense of humour. often its the strongest defence there is

[swethirte]

yes but what do you believe?

I believe precisely what I said, because I know it from experience.

[debs67gb]

during the sexual act I do believe you can achieve a higher state sadly its usually within the first throes of a relationship - on yer own yer can achieve it i'm sure:)

[whiterain]

I believe precisely what I said, because I know it from experience.

if you are a women, how can you have experience of being a man, unable to acheive higher levels?

[swethirte]

if you are a women, how can you have experience of being a man, unable to acheive higher levels?

I was referring to be own experience of celibacy. But I still don't believe men are able to achieve the same degree of spirituality as women. There's a very good reason why only women are called to this path.

[supertzar]

What is the Very Good Reason men are unable to attain cosmic consciousness, then?

[swethirte]

What is the Very Good Reason men are unable to attain cosmic consciousness, then?

I strongly suspect it is to do with their biology, the different interplay of hormones and such.

[deca]

hmmm who wants to reach a higher consciousness during sex?, rather be in the moment as one?

Is that not like thinking of Pamela Anderson while making it with your girlfriend?

[element]

Yet most influential enlightening persons throughout history have been male.
Also because females have been supressed ofcourse, but I think both male and female can reach the highest.:)
It's just that we males are constantly targetted by the media with sexual stuff, and how women dress.

[swethirte]

Yet most influential enlightening persons throughout history have been male.
Also because females have been supressed ofcourse, but I think both male and female can reach the highest.:)
It's just that we males are constantly targetted by the media with sexual stuff, and how women dress.

Influential perhaps, but have their teachings actually been the most enlightening? I would disagree.

[quetzalcoatl]

An interesting anecdote, but we believe that genuine and permanent higher consciousness can only be achieved through abstention from all sexual release. I'm talking about women here, because I don't believe men can achieve it at all, by any means.

So, I take it all sexual release includes 'roughing yourself up'..? :D I just don't get it.. how can something that is soo healthly be so adverse to consciousness expansion? :confused:

I had the impression that female & male are completely equal.. & tis an illusion we seem so different.

Wouldn't it be outrageously annoying if ya found out all the years of 'suffering' or denying natural pleasure was totally in vain? :p

[swethirte]

So, I take it all sexual release includes 'roughing yourself up'..? :D I just don't get it.. how can something that is soo healthly be so adverse to consciousness expansion? :confused:

I had the impression that female & male are completely equal.. & tis an illusion we seem so different.

Wouldn't it be outrageously annoying if ya found out all the years of 'suffering' or denying natural pleasure was totally in vain? :p

Yes, it includes all forms of sexual release. And no, I have no worries that I'll discover it's all been in vain. I know from experience that it isn't.

[deca]

when a women says "I am trying to reach higher consciousness"
is just another way of saying "i have a headache ?" :D

[quetzalcoatl]

Yes, it includes all forms of sexual release. And no, I have no worries that I'll discover it's all been in vain. I know from experience that it isn't.

How come? (pardon the pun :p)

[quetzalcoatl]

when a women says "i am trying to reach higher consciousness"
is just another way of saying "i have a headache ?" :d


lmao! :D

[swethirte]

How come? (pardon the pun :p)

Because, by means of sexual abstinence and our daily exercises I experience true communion with the divine.

[quetzalcoatl]

Because, by means of sexual abstinence and our daily exercises I experience true communion with the divine.

So that must mean ya can't communion with the divine while sexually active does it? - or did the divine also confirm this for you? :confused:

[swethirte]

So that must mean ya can't communion with the divine while sexually active does it? - or did the divine also confirm this for you? :confused:

True communion with the divine means breaking free of the shackles that keep our consciousness chained to the physical world. Chief among these shackles is sex.

[deca]

why the F**K would we want to be else were?

Therese plenty of pleasure on this planet ?

[swethirte]

why the F**K would we want to be else were?

Therese plenty of pleasure on this planet ?

It's a matter of choice, and I wouldn't presume to tell others how to live. One can't have both though.

[quetzalcoatl]

True communion with the divine means breaking free of the shackles that keep our consciousness chained to the physical world. Chief among these shackles is sex.

Ahh.. I see.. Had a different impression from True Communion. :)

Where did you get the 'wisdom' that sex is the chief shackle to humanity? :confused: I can think of a few suspects.. ;)

I tell you now! it is all about moderation! ;) While some go way too far in one direction - you have 'chosen' ('used' loosely) to go way too far the other.. :)

[deca]

why not do something useful with your physical form? if not to make your life better then make somebody else`s better.

Herd the phrase "Roman was not built in a day"

why not try a solve some of the worlds problems than trying to escape and run away?

[swethirte]

Ahh.. I see.. Had a different impression from True Communion. :)

Where did you get the 'wisdom' that sex is the chief shackle to humanity? :confused: I can think of a few suspects.. ;)

I tell you now! it is all about moderation! ;) While some go way too far in one direction - you have 'chosen' ('used' loosely) to go way too far the other.. :)

From the Oera Linda Book. It's linked to from our website, below.

[swethirte]

why not do something useful with your physical form? if not to make your life better then make somebody else`s better.

Herd the phrase "Roman was not built in a day"

why not try a solve some of the worlds problems than trying to escape and run away?

On the contrary, our rituals are designed to channel divine energies back to the earth for healing. We are only able to do this by abjuring the physical constraints of the world.

[quetzalcoatl]

From the Oera Linda Book. It's linked to from our website, below.

Okay, I'm checking it right now.. ;)

[quetzalcoatl]

On the contrary, our rituals are designed to channel divine energies back to the earth for healing. We are only able to do this by abjuring the physical constraints of the world.

What if everyone wanted wot ya have.. How would we re-produce?

[swethirte]

What if everyone wanted wot ya have.. How would we re-produce?

Fortunately, our path is never going to appeal to anything more than a small minority. And this is exactly how it should be.

[deca]

What are you looking for?
What do you seek?
What do you want that you don`t already have?

http://www.shinystyle.tv/ruby%20slippers%20copy.jpg

[debs67gb]

blimey just let yer mind wander when yer at it ffs if i was thinking about everything you lot had said id shut me legs for a year LOL

[whiterain]

It's a matter of choice, and I wouldn't presume to tell others how to live. One can't have both though.

so what kind of pleasure do you experience in the divine? or is that a pleasureless experience too?

[deca]

Dam debs I would try a quit smoking first?:D

[debs67gb]

hugs deca lmao :)

[deca]

dualism again , cant` do some good and get nookie (god`s work)

dam wounder why horny dude wins;)

[whiterain]

sorry if it sounds like im hounding you. im genuinely interested. im sure techniques such as yours are great for some people, just what works for some can be detrimental to others. i mean ive been celibate for ages, it aint got me anywhere :p

[quetzalcoatl]

Fortunately, our path is never going to appeal to anything more than a small minority. And this is exactly how it should be.

That's all well & fine then.. if it suits you & you are happy, so be it! - yet I tell you this is not 'The Way'.. however, it may be 'a way'..

I can't be bothered going into the lengthly process of de-bunking this with simple logic alone.. So I'll cut to the chase & be frank.. This is a wet-dream! - you have unfortunately been had.. sorry. Utterly no point in making life any 'harder' than it already is.. its akin to a sin against the self. ;)

Truth be told - Universal enlightenment is just that it is completely Universal.. & it is completely liberating/freeing when embraced honestly & handled with-in moderation.. it's almost like everything is allowed in certain circumstances.. There's definitely no suppression of natural inclinations. Trust Me! yeah right.. :rolleyes:

Good Luck. :)

[swethirte]

so what kind of pleasure do you experience in the divine? or is that a pleasureless experience too?

It transcends pleasure. It is literally indescribable to those who haven't experienced it, and those who have, wouldn't need to ask.

[swethirte]

sorry if it sounds like im hounding you. im genuinely interested. im sure techniques such as yours are great for some people, just what works for some can be detrimental to others. i mean ive been celibate for ages, it aint got me anywhere :p

Each must follow their own path. I have no wish to tell others what to do.

[deca]

dam do you want some Jam with your bread and water?
guess not might be too spicy for you ?

I am going to find some white paint an which it dry? the peace and emptiness? oh bliss the peace the joy? oh sorry getting buzzed of the fumes.

[element]

I don't practice celibacy, but swethirte makes sense.

I know that sexual feelings can lower your consciousness, I've felt this after spiritual experiences.

[deca]

I don't practice celibacy, but swethirte makes sense.

I know that sexual feelings can lower your consciousness, I've felt this after spiritual experiences.


why can`t you enjoy both?:confused:

[quetzalcoatl]

It transcends pleasure. It is literally indescribable to those who haven't experienced it, and those who have, wouldn't need to ask.

I understand.. so technically you're not abstaining from pleasure? :p You're 'squeezing out tantric ones' after multiple 'knee squats'.. :confused:

[swethirte]

why can`t you enjoy both?:confused:

Simply because the one retards and prevents the other. You can't do both. It's a matter of choice.

[deca]

hmmm if you were hungry and didn`t eat for days/weeks and came across a cracker it surly would be the beast in the world

[swethirte]

I understand.. so technically you're not abstaining from pleasure? :p You're 'squeezing out tantric ones' after multiple 'knee squats'.. :confused:

I'm not an expert on tantra but I am led to understand that some of our techniques have similarities with it. But we're not having any sort of orgasm, either spiritual or physical, if that's what you mean. The whole point is to prevent such release, so as to be able to channel and direct energy at will, rather than let it dissipate.

[quetzalcoatl]

Simply because the one retards and prevents the other. You can't do both. It's a matter of choice.

NO IT DOES NOT! :mad: If practiced naturally, lovingly & honestly.. A sexual union between couple of the opposite sex can be one of the most Spiritually connecting/enlightening acts Humans can achieve..

[element]

Most orgasm are based on physical attraction, so it does make sense, unless you truly love someone.

So it's a matter of lust or love.

[deca]

Simply because the one retards and prevents the other. You can't do both. It's a matter of choice.




whos says? you don`t have to be greedy you know
wants wrong having a bit of earthly pleasure know and then?
what are you saving yourself for the divine ?
hmm thinks it a bit stupid like a ash tray on a motor bike?
after all your higher conscious is more detached from your physical body?
how else could you think abstract ideas etc


why suppress your sexuality? why not fulfill it instead ?

[pinkfreud]

sex is beautiful, especially with someone you love.

so enjoy it while it lasts.

[quetzalcoatl]

I'm not an expert on tantra but I am led to understand that some of our techniques have similarities with it. But we're not having any sort of orgasm, either spiritual or physical, if that's what you mean. The whole point is to prevent such release, so as to be able to channel and direct energy at will, rather than let it dissipate.

Well - I would offer that preventing such releases, is in-fact creating 'a block' in this particular area..

How can you deem a pro-creating, health affirming, energizing act as un-necessary? or a Spiritual hindrance? - if it wasn't for it we wouldn't be here..

By all means you can stay up on that high-horse all you want. You're only hindering & robbing yourself of expanding certain energy channels..

[debs67gb]

crikey how could you stop yerself having an orgasm?

[kasalt]

This is from the Religious Tolerance.org website:

Daughters of Frya A neo-pagan hoax?

Daughters of Frya are alleged to be: "...adherents of the Oera Linda...an order of women who have dedicated themselves to the service of the goddess Frya and her divine father Wr-alda."

UK Pagan Links quotes the "Daughters of Frya" site:

"The Daughters of Frya are a free association of women who feel that by practical action we really can make a difference in the world today. Inspired by our devotion to the goddess Frya, we work hard to help others and to make our beloved earth a better place to live. We seek to show the world that Pagans are decent, caring folk who want to put back a few of the benefits we have received."

However, there is a widespread belief that the Daughters of Frya do not exist. The one item that we found convincing was their list of requirements for each Daughter: they must perform 1,200 deep knee-bends daily. One of he ReligiousTolerance.org staff members who is a nurse and a fitness buff believes that this many repeats would wreck their knees rather quickly.

A posting on Wikipedia stated that "No reliable source has been offered for the existence..." of the group. This has since disappeared. A posting at The Cauldron, a Pagan Forum, suggests that the image on the Daughter's web site is a cropped version of the Green Hope Women's Tennis Team.
{...}
The Witches' Voice has two listings for Daughters of Frya: one for college aged women, 8 and one for adult women. 9 They list their location as Malvern, England, and state that they were formed in 1985..

The Daughters of Frya's web site at http://www.angelfire.com/ was deleted sometime during 2006-JUL. The website was reduced to a single sentence: "Daughters of Frya are closed." However, as of 2007-AUG, it has been placed online again.

Our opinion is that the Daughters of Frya group is a hoax.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/neopaga1.htm

[deca]

whats the point having a body if your are not going to enjoy it, use it, share it, look after it ,do something with it.( I don`t always mean in a sexual way)

Think that's half the NWO game is to cheat you out of your natural born given life on this planet !!!!

[element]

whats the point having a body if your are not going to enjoy it, use it, share it, look after it ,do something with it.

Think that's half the NWO game is to cheat you out of your natural born given life on this planet !!!!
But their trick is also to only feed on physical urges. Our current materialistic society is proof of it.

There has to be a balance. Taking care of both sides.:)

[quetzalcoatl]

So it's a matter of lust or love.

Exactly. it's not only NOT Spiritually/Energetically hindering to abstain - Quite the contrary - it is in-fact the opposite.. it's mentally, Spiritually damaging to suppress natural desires..

Also, it has the potential to manifest as greater issues..

There's a reason why women have maternity cycles & varying levels of desire..

IT'S NATURAL! what The DAUGHTERS of FRYA are doing is not! ;)

[deca]

sex is a powerful force inside us.
so obviously it can be use to control and distract us etc....

Thats why you have to find a balance and harmony with yourself

[quetzalcoatl]

crikey how could you stop yerself having an orgasm?

Can be done.. but in males case it has the potential to 'build-up' & manifest as a wet dream..

Sub-conscious sex release?

[swethirte]

Well - I would offer that preventing such releases, is in-fact creating 'a block' in this particular area..

How can you deem a pro-creating, heath affirming, energizing act as un-necessary? or a Spiritual hindrance? - if it wasn't for it we wouldn't be here..

By all means you can stay up on that high-horse all you wont. You're only hindering & robbing yourself of expanding certain energy channels..

We don't see it that way. Quite the opposite in fact.

[whiterain]

It transcends pleasure. It is literally indescribable to those who haven't experienced it, and those who have, wouldn't need to ask.

errm well i needed to ask cos it means different things to different people and there are many different levels and areas of divinity. i found it unbelievably pleasurable in a semi sexual way

[element]

Can be done.. but in males case it has the potential to 'build-up' & manifest as a wet dream..

Sub-conscious sex release?

Correct, but such a thing is not done at your will I guess, but only a bodily reaction...;)

[swethirte]

crikey how could you stop yerself having an orgasm?

It's a question of willpower.

[debs67gb]

ok i guess mines shot :)

[swethirte]

This is from the Religious Tolerance.org website:

Daughters of Frya A neo-pagan hoax?

Daughters of Frya are alleged to be: "...adherents of the Oera Linda...an order of women who have dedicated themselves to the service of the goddess Frya and her divine father Wr-alda."

UK Pagan Links quotes the "Daughters of Frya" site:

"The Daughters of Frya are a free association of women who feel that by practical action we really can make a difference in the world today. Inspired by our devotion to the goddess Frya, we work hard to help others and to make our beloved earth a better place to live. We seek to show the world that Pagans are decent, caring folk who want to put back a few of the benefits we have received."

However, there is a widespread belief that the Daughters of Frya do not exist. The one item that we found convincing was their list of requirements for each Daughter: they must perform 1,200 deep knee-bends daily. One of he ReligiousTolerance.org staff members who is a nurse and a fitness buff believes that this many repeats would wreck their knees rather quickly.

A posting on Wikipedia stated that "No reliable source has been offered for the existence..." of the group. This has since disappeared. A posting at The Cauldron, a Pagan Forum, suggests that the image on the Daughter's web site is a cropped version of the Green Hope Women's Tennis Team.
{...}
The Witches' Voice has two listings for Daughters of Frya: one for college aged women, 8 and one for adult women. 9 They list their location as Malvern, England, and state that they were formed in 1985..

The Daughters of Frya's web site at http://www.angelfire.com/ was deleted sometime during 2006-JUL. The website was reduced to a single sentence: "Daughters of Frya are closed." However, as of 2007-AUG, it has been placed online again.

Our opinion is that the Daughters of Frya group is a hoax.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/neopaga1.htm

We've come in for quite a bit of criticism over the years from self-styled anti-cult groups and other mischief makers.

[swethirte]

whats the point having a body if your are not going to enjoy it, use it, share it, look after it ,do something with it.( I don`t always mean in a sexual way)

Think that's half the NWO game is to cheat you out of your natural born given life on this planet !!!!

We have free will and choice.

[deca]

demonizing female sexual pleasure!

No willpower , etc....

whats next looking at women that enjoy sex as slappers?

[whiterain]

using we instead of i all the time would suggest otherwise. no group of people think all alike

[swethirte]

Exactly. it's not only NOT Spiritually/Energetically hindering to abstain - Quite the contrary - it is in-fact the opposite.. it's mentally, Spiritually damaging to suppress natural desires..

Also, it has the potential to manifest as greater issues..

There's a reason why women have maternity cycles & varying levels of desire..

IT'S NATURAL! what The DAUGHTERS of FRYA are doing is not! ;)

We are able to transend what you call natural, for a higher purpose.

[debs67gb]

i;ve only ever ummm cum with two blokes lol - perhaps i was saving myself with the others lol

[swethirte]

sex is a powerful force inside us.
so obviously it can be use to control and distract us etc....

Thats why you have to find a balance and harmony with yourself

It is indeed very powerful, and can be channelled for other purposes.

[swethirte]

Can be done.. but in males case it has the potential to 'build-up' & manifest as a wet dream..

Sub-conscious sex release?

One of the many reasons why males are unsuited to this calling.

[deca]

We have free will and choice.

Yeah but your so called Free will is surprising your natural body functions
and pleasurably experiences even shared experiences

[debs67gb]

it is indeed and can be channeled to have a very harmonious sex life and to have babies :)

[swethirte]

Yeah but your so called Free will is surprising your natural body functions
and pleasurably experiences even shared experiences

For a higher purpose.

[swethirte]

it is indeed and can be channeled to have a very harmonious sex life and to have babies :)

Absolutely, and that's perfectly good and proper, for those who choose to take that path.

[kasalt]

We've come in for quite a bit of criticism over the years from self-styled anti-cult groups and other mischief makers.

ReligiousTolerance.org is by no means an "anti-cult" site, nor are they "mischief makers". This is a quote from their Statement of beliefs:
We are a multi-faith group. As of 2008-FEB, we consist of one Atheist (http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist.htm), Agnostic (http://www.religioustolerance.org/agnostic.htm), Christian (http://www.religioustolerance.org/christ.htm), Wiccan (http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm) and Zen Buddhist (http://www.religioustolerance.org/buddhism.htm). Thus, the OCRT staff lack agreement on almost all theological matters, such as belief in a supreme being, the nature of God, interpretation of the Bible and other holy texts, whether life after death exists, what form the afterlife may take, etc.
You are obviously here to promote a hoax.

[deca]

suicide bomber blow themself up and others for "higher purpose"

please share what is this "higher purpose" or the "great good"

for whos higher purpose and for whos greater good


I am running out of time today but will find the link for a video
on how mind control and occults work.

[debs67gb]

wow

[debs67gb]

damn *orgasms* for the sake of it :)

[swethirte]

ReligiousTolerance.org is by no means an "anti-cult" site, nor are they "mischief makers". This is a quote from their Statement of beliefs:
We are a multi-faith group. As of 2008-FEB, we consist of one Atheist (http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist.htm), Agnostic (http://www.religioustolerance.org/agnostic.htm), Christian (http://www.religioustolerance.org/christ.htm), Wiccan (http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm) and Zen Buddhist (http://www.religioustolerance.org/buddhism.htm). Thus, the OCRT staff lack agreement on almost all theological matters, such as belief in a supreme being, the nature of God, interpretation of the Bible and other holy texts, whether life after death exists, what form the afterlife may take, etc.
You are obviously here to promote a hoax.

No, but please feel free to believe what you will.

[swethirte]

suicide bomber blow themself up and others for "higher purpose"

please share what is this "higher purpose" or the "great good"

for whos higher purpose and for whos greater good


I am running out of time today but will find the link for a video
on how mind control and occults work.

We do not force our beliefs on others.

[deca]

It is indeed very powerful, and can be channelled for other purposes.


Hmm no thanks sorry i don`t what my sexuality channelled/controlled/used or anything else apart from what I what it to be and the people I what to share with and they consent to.

[debs67gb]

*spanks deca* lolol

[deca]

mind control is not about forcing you .
its slowly changing you and you accepting it.

[swethirte]

Hmm no thanks sorry i don`t what my sexuality channelled/controlled/used or anything else apart from what I what it to be and the people I what to share with and they consent to.

Yes, it's each individual's choice what they do with it.

[deca]

what do you want coke or pepsi your choice?

[quetzalcoatl]

One of the many reasons why males are unsuited to this calling.

Yea okay.. is there any manifestations that women experience from suppressing this most natural thing? - in regards to sub-conscious sex release?

Also, I wonder does your association do self charity work? does it earn income for certain skills rendered? does it charge membership fees?

Thanks.

[quetzalcoatl]

Wow! this threads gone viral! :D

This is strange I want to hear more about channeling sexual (masturbation included I take it) suppressed energy for 'higher purposes' - I don't doubt it.. Just wonder wot kind of higher purposes..

Also, why not go all out Islamic on it & circumcisize it all? That'll help with any un-wanted demons of desire popping up..

[deca]

swethirte whats your "higher purpose" for being on this forum.

seems a strange place with somebody with such strong view?

unless you are here to convert the misguided?

[macleodmunro]

I don't see a problem here.

If someone wants to abstain from sex and thinks it brings them closer to the divine, and says they're not forcing their beliefs on anyone, then i say go for it. If that's how you want to live your life.

It's not my cuppa tea.

IMO a union between a loving couple can far transend sexual desire or gratification. It can be a oneness of pure love with the divine right there with you.
A kind of holy threesome :D

[swethirte]

Yea okay.. is there any manifestations that women experience from suppressing this most natural thing? - in regards to sub-conscious sex release?

Also, I wonder does your association do self charity work? does it earn income for certain skills rendered? does it charge membership fees?

Thanks.

Women can experience a true communion with divinity, and there is no sex release, subconscious or otherwise.

We don't charge for membership or any services rendered. We do take part in charity work, volunteering at hospitals for example.

[swethirte]

Wow! this threads gone viral! :D

This is strange I want to hear more about channeling sexual (masturbation included I take it) suppressed energy for 'higher purposes' - I don't doubt it.. Just wonder wot kind of higher purposes..

Also, why not go all out Islamic on it & circumcisize it all? That'll help with any un-wanted demons of desire popping up..

If you're talking about the abomination known as female circumcision, then we are utterly opposed to it. What's the point in having control over your body, if you have no choice? Rather defeats the object.

[swethirte]

swethirte whats your "higher purpose" for being on this forum.

seems a strange place with somebody with such strong view?

unless you are here to convert the misguided?

I came here because an associate of mine recommended it as a place of free thinkers and discussion about interesting topics.

[quetzalcoatl]

Women can experience a true communion with divinity, and there is no sex release, subconscious or otherwise.

We don't charge for membership or any services rendered. We do take part in charity work, volunteering at hospitals for example.

Okay, thanks.

Sounds a bit strange to me.. Is it like a 'live-in' type of arrangement? - Sounds pretty fanatical to me.. How is this organization financed or stay afloat/in the black? - is there any sort of revenue collection?

Ta. :)

[kasalt]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[swethirte]

Okay, thanks.

Sounds a bit strange to me.. Is it like a 'live-in' type of arrangement? - Sounds pretty fanatical to me.. How is this organization financed or stay afloat/in the black? - is there any sort of revenue collection?

Ta. :)

Yes, we do have live-in arrangements, with a number of different houses. By no means all of our members live in such houses, though. No revenue is collected by the organisation, we pay the rent and upkeep on the houses ourselves.

[quetzalcoatl]

Yes, we do have live-in arrangements, with a number of different houses. By no means all of our members live in such houses, though. No revenue is collected by the organisation, we pay the rent and upkeep on the houses ourselves.

I see - good job! :)

Thanks.

[kiwimaj]

Is the reason why sex can be boring, and unfilling is because what we are really or ideally searching for or wanting through sexual union with a compatible partner, a spiritual union? When sex is all about, well just, sex, then it's not the sex we are after. We would like, from a deep level, sex as being the a catalyst for a higher state of bliss, consciousness, and helping to raise your vibration...of two souls in a spiritual union. Its the closest thing on earth, to what we experience in heaven...

..that is what I sense and feel it could be about...

[whiterain]

hi swethirte is your group named after the norse frya, odins partner? being a very tall ragnar im sure ive got viking blood. ive always been interested in the monastic life but the celibacy thing is something that just doesnt sit well with me. does it not just build up into wild dreams? and if this happens do you feel guilt. ive sometimes thought that to gain lucidity in dreams i should abstain for a while because then i will definately have strong sex dreams then hopefully gain lucid control over them. is this linked to what you do in any way?

[tejas]

Each to their own, im sitting on the fence in this one.

[swethirte]

hi swethirte is your group named after the norse frya, odins partner? being a very tall ragnar im sure ive got viking blood. ive always been interested in the monastic life but the celibacy thing is something that just doesnt sit well with me. does it not just build up into wild dreams? and if this happens do you feel guilt. ive sometimes thought that to gain lucidity in dreams i should abstain for a while because then i will definately have strong sex dreams then hopefully gain lucid control over them. is this linked to what you do in any way?

Frya is the original name for Freya. Abstaining from orgasm most certainly does build up into wild dreams and all the other things, and this energy is then used for other purposes.

[whiterain]

thanks alot, best of luck. im pretty sure you will find many here tho that are able to get similar results without the need to forgo sex but as long as your happy. take care

[swethirte]

thanks alot, best of luck. im pretty sure you will find many here tho that are able to get similar results without the need to forgo sex but as long as your happy. take care

They will most surely be unable to experience true spiritual union with the divine. But that of course is just my opinion.

[whiterain]

the way i see it there are many ways to raise our consciousness. so to do this with a good balance, do a little of every method rather than focussing on one, but then what do i know? im just a man! :p

[swethirte]

the way i see it there are many ways to raise our consciousness. so to do this with a good balance, do a little of every method rather than focussing on one, but then what do i know? im just a man! :p

The pick-n-mix method of spiritual development never got anyone anywhere. It's just a symptom of the modern age.

[whiterain]

didnt seem to stop this guy

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

id much rather choose my own techniques than follow a group, but then i guess organised religion puts a lot of people off

[supertzar]

hey supertzar, never mind the cynics who poo poo your experience ;) i've felt pretty much the same.

though i haven't experienced the trippy patterns you seem to have felt, i could swear i thought i saw some kind of gold-silvery light (the best way i can describe it is that it was shimmery, VERY blinding and sent a little shiver down my spine). my head spun for a good few seconds, after which i saw little colourful dots which seemed to be coming towards me... or more aptly, inside me. they resembled stars, and the thing is i've experienced them before, but only in my dreams or when i'm in deep thought. more often when i close my eyes. all this, without any stimulant or drug.

and strangely, my bf saw and felt the exact same things i was feeling at that point.

i, for one, don't believe sexual abstinence is necessary for attaining that level of transcendance, but i do know that it's definitely not the only answer to all our problems lol :D though i wish it was *chuckle*



edit:


oh, you couldn't have put it better. it makes the act of lovemaking all the more blissful/spiritual.


Beautiful answer. :)

[supertzar]

hmmm who wants to reach a higher consciousness during sex?, rather be in the moment as one?

Is that not like thinking of Pamela Anderson while making it with your girlfriend?

Being in the moment as one is what it is all about, my friend. Do you believe cosmic consciousness is something else?

[kasalt]

The pick-n-mix method of spiritual development never got anyone anywhere. It's just a symptom of the modern age.

I couldn't help but notice that you've picked a method.

[supertzar]

She's saying you have to be devoted to a certain path to achieve higher consciousness. I disagree, obviously.

[element]

From her site,

We spend six hours a day in our devotions, in two shifts of three hours each (starting at 12 a.m./p.m., 3 a.m./p.m., 6 a.m./p.m. or 9 a.m./p.m., times being assigned to each member upon joining). From an upright posture – with hands on our foreheads, palms facing forwards towards the foddik, or sacred lamp – we slowly bend our knees for six seconds whilst chanting Wr-alda, until we are on our haunches. We remain in this posture for another six seconds whilst chanting t-Anfang. We then slowly rise for six more seconds whilst chanting t-Bijin, until we are standing again. We repeat this immediately, and continue doing so for three hours (i.e. 600 times). The second daily session is exactly the same, making a total of 1,200 deep knee-bends each day.


This isn't possible for your body to do every day...:confused:

[kasalt]

This isn't possible for your body to do every day...:confused:

I posted a comment about this further up the thread:
"One of the ReligiousTolerance.org staff members who is a nurse and a fitness buff believes that this many repeats would wreck their knees rather quickly...Our opinion is that the Daughters of Frya group is a hoax."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/neopaga1.htm

[supertzar]

I think it is. It would make you extremely sore for a while after you began doing it and you might not be able to complete it at first, but 1200 squats a day should be attainable for anyone in good health.

[swethirte]

I posted a comment about this further up the thread:
"One of the ReligiousTolerance.org staff members who is a nurse and a fitness buff believes that this many repeats would wreck their knees rather quickly...Our opinion is that the Daughters of Frya group is a hoax."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/neopaga1.htm

I assure you it is possible, though it takes a lot of willpower and stamina.

[supertzar]

The ultimate goal of Tantric sexuality as I understand it is to embody the divine. The partner is seen as an incarnation of the God or Goddess.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1372.html
Marijuana and Sex: A Classic Combination

Tantra

Sexual cannabis use which transcended hedonism and medicine rose up in an esoteric Hindu-Buddhist tradition known as Tantra, a mystical religion which prescribes physical and mental exercises like meditation and yoga. These practices are intended to help the practicioner escape suffering and achieve enlightenment and perfection, known as Nirvana.

Advanced Tantra marijuana rituals were intense, complex and difficult. Researchers have uncovered sacred texts describing cannabis rituals, but doubt that modern Tantra practitioners still engage in such activities.

Modern Tantra has, like many other indigenous spiritual practices, been co-opted by people with little connection to the cultures, communities and environments from which the religions arose. Modern Tantra, though an important source of sexual and spiritual enlightenment, scarcely resembles the hard-core Tantra described in sacred writings like the Mahanirvana Tantra, which was composed in the 11th century AD.

Tantra practitioners believe that human bodies contain energy systems consisting of nerves, heart and spiritual elements that are linked to cosmic and nature-based energies. Males and females have differing degrees and types of energy; and yogic sexual practices unite these energies, creating "circuits" which allow participants to find new heights of intimacy and to transcend egocentric consciousness, helping them realize their timeless place in the universe. Tantric union of male and female energies is thought to facilitate universal balance and to atone for human sins against nature and the cosmos.

Tantra cannabis rituals date back at least to 700 AD, and involved groups of "purified" male and female worshippers who engaged in fasting, chanting, prayer, ceremonial purifications, Kundalini yoga, and sexual union, subjecting body and spirit to excruciating and ecstatic ordeals. Concentration, consecration and transformation were the goals of such rituals, which were conducted in temples festooned with thousands of flowers, clouds of incense smoke, and flickering temple lamps.

[supertzar]

This blogger expresses a sentiment similar to my original post. We can get there without any particular trouble or training and with extreme satisfaction.

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/420-stories-creative-expression/76004-sex-sacrament-perspectives-cannabis-tantra-tradition.html
Ecstatic Enlightenment Beyond the Tantric Religious Landscape

The fact that I had no knowledge of any of Tantric doctrine and yet experienced a scenario that contained only the bare-bones psychological and sexual equivalents of the proscribed protocol that resulted in a supreme transcendence- suggests that a intuitive/sensual/spiritual episode can trigger transcendent grace as well as one that is ritualistic/sensual/religious.

[tonak]

As far as the Original post in this thread. I have had sex after eating mushrooms, and i experienced a Male orgasmn, Which does not include spewing white liquid out the tip of your thing, which i later came to find out is quite possible, to do such with multiple orgasmn. That was the closest i ever came to a higher conciousness through "sex"


"An interesting anecdote, but we believe that genuine and permanent higher consciousness can only be achieved through abstention from all sexual release. I'm talking about women here, because I don't believe men can achieve it at all, by any means."


Thats a horrible dogma, im sorry you beleive that

"Because, by means of sexual abstinence and our daily exercises I experience true communion with the divine. "

I know a few people who experience this on a regular basis, a couple of which are male, who do have sex occasionally.


"True communion with the divine means breaking free of the shackles that keep our consciousness chained to the physical world."

They are only shackles if you beleive them to be so.




"I'm not an expert on tantra but I am led to understand that some of our techniques have similarities with it. But we're not having any sort of orgasm, either spiritual or physical, if that's what you mean. The whole point is to prevent such release, so as to be able to channel and direct energy at will, rather than let it dissipate."

You speak of sexual energy, which some say derive from the root chakra, well just so you are aware, a male is capable of having an orgasm which is not ejaculation, and this orgasm releases none of his sexual energy, where apposed to a women, a normal female orgasm releases a small amount of her sexual energy, and a female ejaculation releases a tremendous amount, so i guess i could say, that a male is more equipped to commune with the divine as you put it, than a female, as long as he practices orgasms as apposed to ejaculation, and spends the time to build up quite a bit of sexual energy, and as part of the wet dream thing, if you practice vivid dreaming you can prevent yourself from having wet dreams, and personally even when i have wet dreams i do not ejaculate, and they are not wet at all.

I beleive there is a difference between lust and love, lust being very bad for your energy and vibration, and even serves to weaken the root chakra as a whole, I beleive that lust is a matter of willpower, but beyond willpower it is a matter of choice.

I do not need to go into love, it is self explanatory and im sure you can search your feelings for the benefits it provides.

Now swethirte i respect your opinions and your choice, but understand they are not mine, and we are in a forum so i am going to express mine as well, I only wish to tell you, that you most likely could acheive what you acheive outside of your dogma, doing basicly the same thing, but you can build massive amount of energy, with the occasional release, i only hope that one day you release you could abandon your dogma.

And a note to all. Love and Peace

[metacomet]

True communion with the divine means breaking free of the shackles that keep our consciousness chained to the physical world. Chief among these shackles is sex.

Hate to say it but it's true.

You're all going to die someday and you won't be having physical sex as you know it.

What then?

If you find that you absolutely must have a physical body that has sex to be 'happy' then you're going to come right back to Earth and go around again.

:o Sounds crazy eh?

[element]

Hate to say it but it's true.

You're all going to die someday and you won't be having physical sex as you know it.

What then?

If you find that you absolutely must have a physical body that has sex to be 'happy' then you're going to come right back to Earth and go around again.

:o Sounds crazy eh?
Life's a mirror eh?

I agree, but sometimes things are fucked up (:D) as they are.



You speak of sexual energy, which some say derive from the root chakra, well just so you are aware, a male is capable of having an orgasm which is not ejaculation, and this orgasm releases none of his sexual energy, where apposed to a women, a normal female orgasm releases a small amount of her sexual energy, and a female ejaculation releases a tremendous amount, so i guess i could say, that a male is more equipped to commune with the divine as you put it, than a female, as long as he practices orgasms as apposed to ejaculation, and spends the time to build up quite a bit of sexual energy, and as part of the wet dream thing, if you practice vivid dreaming you can prevent yourself from having wet dreams, and personally even when i have wet dreams i do not ejaculate, and they are not wet at all.

I agree. Sex(ual) feelings in vivid dreams are very powerful aswell.
It's true you don't have to have ejaculation, but not 'wet' , maybe it's like that because when you wake up things have dried up..? :D



I beleive there is a difference between lust and love, lust being very bad for your energy and vibration, and even serves to weaken the root chakra as a whole, I beleive that lust is a matter of willpower, but beyond willpower it is a matter of choice.

Yep.

I understand Swetherthe's opinion, but she's not a man, she simply can't know for sure how a male system works.

And both male and female can attain the higher states, as I said we males are just targetted a lot with sexual stuff and half naked women on the streets. It's next to impossible to hide.

.

[metacomet]

In my opinion 'great sex' is an attempt at raising energy and physical body vibrations to the point of ecstasy. That's all. That's sex. Ecstasy and rapture are real things that we can experience. Tantra and all that is a guidebook... not a guide to enlightenment. Just a guide to great, spiritually aware sex.

Sex is the height among many pleasures of the physical body, being so much a tactile and spiritual experience it definitely has many dimensions to it... and we can break through into those dimensions. See what's going on. See the true beauty in our partner... something eternal. And the beauty and 'role' within ourself that also feels eternal.

But if you recognize sex as the creation or invitation of life on another dimension (recreation) you will see why we are so 'into' sex and why it is the most natural thing in the world etc.

It's not our decision. It is the nature of something beyond 'us', something that controls us and keeps us in this dimension. And that nature can be surpassed. And all the lures of this physical, illusory world can be forgone.

Sex is the ultimate 'let's just enjoy this physical existence'. That's all. I think people use it like a drug - constantly chasing enlightenment within the act. It's not there and they're never going to find it :) But it's still fun to try.

[tonak]

I agree. Sex(ual) feelings in vivid dreams are very powerful aswell.
It's true you don't have to have ejaculation, but not 'wet' , maybe it's like that because when you wake up things have dried up..? :D

And both male and female can attain the higher states, as I said we males are just targetted a lot with sexual stuff and half naked women on the streets. It's next to impossible to hide.

.

Yeah, but you can usually feel a layer of the dried up stuff when you check :P

And as far as the sexual advertising, the only advice i could give to men, it to try to see the beauty in it, rather than think lustfully. The human body is beatiful, as well as the act of creation that founded such a women, despite the fact that shes half naked. The advertising depends on us thinking or feeling in a certain way regarding to this advertising, once you change what you think and feel it becomes obsolete.

[deca]

1. Sex is a beauty treatment. Scientific tests find that when women make love they produce amounts of the hormone estrogen, which makes hair shine and skin smooth.
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2. Gentle, relaxed lovemaking reduces your chances of suffering dermatitis, skin rashes and blemishes. The sweat produced cleanses the pores and makes your skin glow.
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3. Lovemaking can burn up those calories you piled on during that romantic dinner.
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4. Sex is one of the safest sports you can take up. It stretches and tones up just about every muscle in the body. It's more enjoyable than swimming 20 laps, and you don't need special sneakers!
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5. Sex is an instant cure for mild depression. It releases endorphins into the bloodstr! eam, producing a sense of euphoria and leaving you with a feeling of well-being.
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6. The more sex you have, the more you will be offered. The sexually active body gives off greater quantities of chemicals called pheromones. These subtle sex perfumes drive the opposite sex crazy!
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7. Sex is the safest tranquilizer in the world. IT IS 10 TIMES MORE EFFECTIVE THAN VALIUM.
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8. Kissing each day will keep the dentist away. Kissing encourages saliva to wash food from the teeth and lowers the level of the acid that causes decay, preventing plaque build-up.
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9. Sex actually relieves headaches. A lovemaking session can release the tension that restricts blood vessels in the brain.
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10. A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose. Sex is a natural antihistamine. It can help combat asthma and hay fever.
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I rather fuck than jog any day

[zedd]

Why do people entertain such nonsense from people who mask their hatred and faults with pseudo-enlightenment? Why even question someone who would make claims to speak for all women in the first place, and then claim men basically aren't as good as women, while professing that they "know" what they say is true from some unprovable experience they protest to have experienced? The only thing that happens is one of two things:

-You are feeding a troll with your naivety.
-You are perpetuating the delusions of a profoundly disturbed individual with your desire to know the "truth" clouding your reason.

Would you like to see how easy this is? OK, I'll show you:

"I practice advanced meditations and have achieved states of awareness beyond comprehension. In these states it was shown to me that women are not capable of reaching such a pinnacle of oneness with the universe. This is rather obvious when presented with the truth of the matter. Women are bound to this world on a physical sense, which is symbolized through the act of child birth. They are here to act as vessels to ferry and nurture the true spiritual masters, the male. This is also why males have more energy throughout their lives, are more active, and generally more free. It is the spirit expressing itself through the physical body.

Again, these are not my opinions but they are the fact of the universe, which are revealed to me during my daily astral projection meditations. I know them to be true."

And I could do this with any and all races, genders, ages, nationalities, etc. There was no rough draft for that garbage I just wrote, it was all in one thought purely done to show how ridiculous people are who put out such things.

People who claim they have enlightenment and then post the kinds of things that Swethirte do only expose themselves for the fraud/troll they are. For the love of god/consciousness/the elohim/reptoids/earth mother/<insert belief here> don't entertain them with legitimate questions or curiosity. They have nothing to contribute.

A sticky should just be created called "We the Hateful Enlightened" where all the white haters, jew haters, man haters, woman haters, and everyone in between can go to put their garbage like the city dump and leave the other threads clean.

[whiterain]

Why do people entertain such nonsense from people who mask their hatred and faults with pseudo-enlightenment? Why even question someone who would make claims to speak for all women in the first place, and then claim men basically aren't as good as women, while professing that they "know" what they say is true from some unprovable experience they protest to have experienced? The only thing that happens is one of two things:

-You are feeding a troll with your naivety.
-You are perpetuating the delusions of a profoundly disturbed individual with your desire to know the "truth" clouding your reason.

Would you like to see how easy this is? OK, I'll show you:

"I practice advanced meditations and have achieved states of awareness beyond comprehension. In these states it was shown to me that women are not capable of reaching such a pinnacle of oneness with the universe. This is rather obvious when presented with the truth of the matter. Women are bound to this world on a physical sense, which is symbolized through the act of child birth. They are here to act as vessels to ferry and nurture the true spiritual masters, the male. This is also why males have more energy throughout their lives, are more active, and generally more free. It is the spirit expressing itself through the physical body.

Again, these are not my opinions but they are the fact of the universe, which are revealed to me during my daily astral projection meditations. I know them to be true."

And I could do this with any and all races, genders, ages, nationalities, etc. There was no rough draft for that garbage I just wrote, it was all in one thought purely done to show how ridiculous people are who put out such things.

People who claim they have enlightenment and then post the kinds of things that Swethirte do only expose themselves for the fraud/troll they are. For the love of god/consciousness/the elohim/reptoids/earth mother/<insert belief here> don't entertain them with legitimate questions or curiosity. They have nothing to contribute.

A sticky should just be created called "We the Hateful Enlightened" where all the white haters, jew haters, man haters, woman haters, and everyone in between can go to put their garbage like the city dump and leave the other threads clean.

why?? because just like me and you they need help

[darryl84]

But you can never know what it is like to melt into your lover, where there ceases to be a difference between their skin and your own. It is a direct experience of cosmic oneness - pretty good if you ask me and it doesn't require ascetic sacrifice.



Wow, melt into your lover? That sounds amazing! I want some of that spiritual action! Im being serious! :D lol

[darryl84]

I strongly suspect it is to do with their biology, the different interplay of hormones and such.

We are not the bodies, we are spirits that live for eternity, we are infinite consciousness, a holographic body computer means very little when it is understood we are much, much more than that, everyone and everything in infinity.

[darryl84]

True communion with the divine means breaking free of the shackles that keep our consciousness chained to the physical world. Chief among these shackles is sex.


Love and sex is so so so much different, and that is from my limited perception of love making, ive only had the sex, but ive heard about the love making and i can imagine how wonderful it would be, it has so much mroe emotion involved from what i can understand, a great spiritual experience that doesnt happen with just anybody, their needs to be a connection deep enough, psychologically, emotionally, probably physically to a smaller extent and definitely spiritually! again, this is my perspective from not having made love yet, still waiting, and searching! lol :D :)

[tonak]

You can make love to anyone, even if they dont love you back, its better if they love you back, dont get me wrong. I beleive everyone should love everyone else unconditionally, so when you go to make lust love to someone, decide that you love them, and you will find it is true to a degree.

Thats what I did the first time i made love, while it didnt mean as much to them as it did to me, it was still just as amazing...

[darryl84]

You can make love to anyone, even if they dont love you back, its better if they love you back, dont get me wrong. I beleive everyone should love everyone else unconditionally, so when you go to make lust love to someone, decide that you love them, and you will find it is true to a degree.

Thats what I did the first time i made love, while it didnt mean as much to them as it did to me, it was still just as amazing...


Ok, im thinking of something slightly different to you then, im referring to the 'melting' mutual love making, that supertzar was talking about, that sounds very spiritual.

[tonak]

Ive experienced something very similar the first time i made love to someone, which i don't think their intentions were to make love to me at the beginning, It was amazing,

But the point is, its an experience, and worth the experience