Albert Pike is a "hero"

[meksar]

Yes there are people out there who worship Mr Pike, the American masonic mastermind who blueprinted three world wars.To add to his acts of "humanity" was leader/founder of the Klu Klux Klan and also instructed Jesse James to rob banks to fund the civil war.

Morals and Dogma for the 21st Century - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Smjzc3_FR8&feature=related

[lightgiver]

Yes but where is he now apart from being 6 foot under,most likely burning in the hell realms.

[meksar]

He was a very luciferian fellow,he created the whole John Wayne mentality for ignorant people to follow.This for me is why a few people can control the many and this whole agenda has different masks but a serpent face behind it.

[localidiot]

Albert Pike was not a member of the KKK in any of it's incarnations, let alone the founder.
The blueprints of the third world war was a Hoax.

Pike resigned from the Confederate army in 1862, in the midst of shame due to the defeat of his Indian troops at Pea Ridge, and allegations of insubordination against his superiors.
Jesse James became active in the Civil War in 1863, at the age of 16, after being tortured by the Union.

[lightgiver]

Albert Pike was not a member of the KKK in any of it's incarnations, let alone the founder.
The blueprints of the third world war was a Hoax.

Pike resigned from the Confederate army in 1862, in the midst of shame due to the defeat of his Indian troops at Pea Ridge, and allegations of insubordination against his superiors.
Jesse James became active in the Civil War in 1863, at the age of 16, after being tortured by the Union.

we have heard it all before,Albert pike was an angel,of the darkly kind.

we already know,there is no point sticking up for a dead man.

[localidiot]

we have heard it all before,Albert pike was an angel,of the darkly kind.

we already know,there is no point sticking up for a dead man.

When you are attributing lies and slander to his reputation?
Yes, I believe there is. For someone claiming to look for the truth, you sure like to lie a good deal.
He was not a angel, he was a racist during a good part of his life. But he is not the devil you and others are tryng to make him into.

[lightgiver]

When you are attributing lies and slander to his reputation?
Yes, I believe there is. For someone claiming to look for the truth, you sure like to lie a good deal.
He was not a angel, he was a racist during a good part of his life. But he is not the devil you and others are tryng to make him into.

why what as he ever done for anyone:confused:

How do you know he was not the devil or similar,was you there or something when he was alive.:confused:

I do not lie,i see the state of the world we live in.

do not call me a liar.



"...And the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer..."

Albert Pike (1809-1891)

Baphomet

Image of the devil Baphomet in the church of Saint-Merri, France. Like the Templars before him, Albert Pike revived the worship of Baphomet and other gods; but Baphomet, stands out. It was a devil which Aleister Crowley claimed to have channeled in 1906 while writing "The Book of the Law", another holy work among the serious 20th century Luciferians, or Satanists. Crowley also claimed to be the incarnation of Eliphas Levi, a sorcerer from a century back whom in turn heavily influenced his contemporary, Albert Pike.

Few quotes in the history of mankind have attracted the attention of so many as the quote from Pike's Morals & Dogma which reads:
"Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

[boots]

When you are attributing lies and slander to his reputation?
Yes, I believe there is. For someone claiming to look for the truth, you sure like to lie a good deal.
He was not a angel, he was a racist during a good part of his life. But he is not the devil you and others are tryng to make him into.

He was a sick human (darkly angel) and to try and make his reputation out to that of a redeemed man is ludicrous.

The only lie, is the one saying he did not write for the Illuminati, but what can you expect from a Mason who thinks he see's the light.

Having fun at ATS forum.:p

[lightgiver]

I have looked through google and cannot find one good word about him.

I wonder why.
Still looking,got to page 6,I do not think i will waste any more time on it.

Unless you can find something more substantial local idiot.

[localidiot]

I've read his bography.
My point is NOT that he was a angel, or even a necessarily good man.
My point is that the points outlined in the OP are false.

Even more, have any of you, who so willingly quote the book, ever actually looked at the book? The paragraph from where the quote comes from:

The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apotheosis of the Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. Lucifer, the Light Bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not! For traditions are full of Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of one Age nore of one Creed. Plato and Philo, also, were inspired.


Keep in mind, he's right. Light bearer is a odd name for Satan. It's latin, but it's not the Biblical name for Satan. It's been attributed to him because of Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost.
If you follow the KJV of the Bible, almost all of the mentions

As for a good word about Albert Pike:
Page two showed one of his bios.
http://www.answers.com/topic/albert-pike

Page three of the search results put up this:
http://users.aristotle.net/~russjohn/literary/pikerant.html

An earlier post of mine contained several links about his military history and personal bio.
The reason why you're likely not to find a good word on him on Google is because he's only of real interest to two groups: Masonry and Anti-Masons.
Of the two, the more prolific writers are the anti-Masons.



do not call me a liar.



I wasn't calling you a liar, if you took offense at it, examine your own conscience. The OP is making statements that are false, and feeding it to people who agree more readily than they should.

[lightgiver]

I've read his bography.
My point is NOT that he was a angel, or even a necessarily good man.
My point is that the points outlined in the OP are false.

Even more, have any of you, who so willingly quote the book, ever actually looked at the book? The paragraph from where the quote comes from:


Keep in mind, he's right. Light bearer is a odd name for Satan. It's latin, but it's not the Biblical name for Satan. It's been attributed to him because of Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost.
If you follow the KJV of the Bible, almost all of the mentions

As for a good word about Albert Pike:
Page two showed one of his bios.
http://www.answers.com/topic/albert-pike

Page three of the search results put up this:
http://users.aristotle.net/~russjohn/literary/pikerant.html

An earlier post of mine contained several links about his military history and personal bio.
The reason why you're likely not to find a good word on him on Google is because he's only of real interest to two groups: Masonry and Anti-Masons.
Of the two, the more prolific writers are the anti-Masons.



I wasn't calling you a liar, if you took offense at it, examine your own conscience. The OP is making statements that are false, and feeding it to people who agree more readily than they should.

You need to check post 6 ;) enough said,if i was you i would follow a different spiritual path just to be on the safe side :)

Peace :)

and so you do not go back and edit it like GS,here is a reminde3r of your post,more insults directed my way,my goodness i must be the talk of the lodges,

When you are attributing lies and slander to his reputation?
Yes, I believe there is. For someone claiming to look for the truth, you sure like to lie a good deal.
He was not a angel, he was a racist during a good part of his life. But he is not the devil you and others are tryng to make him into.

spelling mistake included. I will leave it at that,after all he is dead and probably reincarnated as my pet goat,i will look after him for you though,so you needn't worry.:)

[arten]

I've read his bography.
My point is NOT that he was a angel, or even a necessarily good man.
My point is that the points outlined in the OP are false.

Even more, have any of you, who so willingly quote the book, ever actually looked at the book? The paragraph from where the quote comes from:


Keep in mind, he's right. Light bearer is a odd name for Satan. It's latin, but it's not the Biblical name for Satan. It's been attributed to him because of Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost.
If you follow the KJV of the Bible, almost all of the mentions

As for a good word about Albert Pike:
Page two showed one of his bios.
http://www.answers.com/topic/albert-pike

Page three of the search results put up this:
http://users.aristotle.net/~russjohn/literary/pikerant.html

An earlier post of mine contained several links about his military history and personal bio.
The reason why you're likely not to find a good word on him on Google is because he's only of real interest to two groups: Masonry and Anti-Masons.
Of the two, the more prolific writers are the anti-Masons.



I wasn't calling you a liar, if you took offense at it, examine your own conscience. The OP is making statements that are false, and feeding it to people who agree more readily than they should.

Have you examined the allegations made by those including Icke that surround the Proctotols of Zion? Did Pike not have a hand in them?
This article suggest they are authentic and to be honest you have to be blind not to see it all being played out just like Pike said it would be with Zionism the veichle for causing WW3

http://www.henrymakow.com/maurice_joly_plagiarized_proto.html

[meksar]

The masonic shills on this forum such as localidiot for example,like to play stupid when people are sharing information about there choking grip on society.

Albert Pike Letter 3 World Wars Planned! - YouTube

[jonny78]

The masonic shills on this forum such as localidiot for example,like to play stupid when people are sharing information about there choking grip on society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDQ9qi570oM

That's what happens when you invest yourself in an institution...you feel compelled to rush to its defense and make excuses on its behalf.

That's why I personally don't subscribe to institutions...I don't give a flip about religion, patriotism, or cliques, fads, special interest groups, etc. If anything, I "subscribe" to the whole of humanity. The distractions listed above need not apply.

[localidiot]

spelling mistake included. I will leave it at that,after all he is dead and probably reincarnated as my pet goat,i will look after him for you though,so you needn't worry.:)

Ah, sorry. Forgot to split my post. I meant to refer that to Meksar, who is posting bull.


When you are attributing lies and slander to his reputation?


At most, there is nothing to attribute Pike's role in the formation of the KKK.
The current Klan, which everyone knows and hates, did not form unti well after his death.

Jesse James didn't become active in the Civil War until after Pike had already resigned, and served is different parts of the War than Pike ever did.
James started out serving under Bloody Bill Anderson, there's nothing to indicate that he at all met Pike, let alone conspired with him.

When it comes to pike and his supposed letter, there's no evidence for it. The musuem that supposedly housed it has stated they never did. The terms it uses didn't exist in the post Civil War era.

[thelonious]

Anyone opposed to Pike has obviously never read his books.

I would suggest "Morals and Dogma":

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

If everyone followed the teachings of Pike, the world would certainly be a better place.

[zysin5]

I had just started researching This Albert Pike.. And what I have found thus far is very encrypted information.. Such as Pike being the grandfather of this grand conspiracy that is taking place here before our eyes today..

All their plans have taken alot of time to become what we see today..

And if we are to have any hope to undo all the damage that is done.. Its going to take an equal amount of time to undo what has been done thus far..

Thats alot of work, and alot of time.. And in all honesty.. I think we have passed the point of no return.. Its a HUGE challange to undo what has been done.. And it must start with the youth of today..

As our parents, and our parents, parents have been duped.. Have been lied to and taught the ways. And they inturn have taken that and repeated what was told to them since a young age..

The youth is our only hope.. And if the youth of today can not see through the lies.. Then its safe to say we have lost, and will be defeated unless we teach our kids the truth.. And how to understand truth..

Very few adults have been able to wake up.. Yet we send our children away 5 days a week.. To become brainwashed by the system we have in place to teach them..
Pike was one who knew that the only way to complete this new world order was to get the youths at a young age.. And make them repeat that process down the line..

We stand at the threshold of a new AGE.. And the kids are our only hope..

Just my 2 cents anway...

[mike martin]

I had just started researching This Albert Pike.. And what I have found thus far is very encrypted information.. Such as Pike being the grandfather of this grand conspiracy that is taking place here before our eyes today..

Now this is interesting! Someone here is actually doing some research of their own, not just recycling what they've read from Internet loons. Excellent!

I'd be real interested to read about the research you've completed so far and you could probably help some of the people here with it.
Mike

[boots]

I had just started researching This Albert Pike.. And what I have found thus far is very encrypted information.. Such as Pike being the grandfather of this grand conspiracy that is taking place here before our eyes today..

All their plans have taken alot of time to become what we see today..

And if we are to have any hope to undo all the damage that is done.. Its going to take an equal amount of time to undo what has been done thus far..

Thats alot of work, and alot of time.. And in all honesty.. I think we have passed the point of no return.. Its a HUGE challange to undo what has been done.. And it must start with the youth of today..

As our parents, and our parents, parents have been duped.. Have been lied to and taught the ways. And they inturn have taken that and repeated what was told to them since a young age..

The youth is our only hope.. And if the youth of today can not see through the lies.. Then its safe to say we have lost, and will be defeated unless we teach our kids the truth.. And how to understand truth..

Very few adults have been able to wake up.. Yet we send our children away 5 days a week.. To become brainwashed by the system we have in place to teach them..
Pike was one who knew that the only way to complete this new world order was to get the youths at a young age.. And make them repeat that process down the line..

We stand at the threshold of a new AGE.. And the kids are our only hope..

Just my 2 cents anway...


The Illuminati plan at least 100 years in advance.

Good post.:)

[lightgiver]

He is dead.

why reap up bad news,we have enough shit with the living.

Hey i know,maybe they have his skull and bones at Yale and they masturbate over them in their sick rituals.

Hey u tube i can still access,even if i cannot play them you NWO lackeys.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Albert Pike, a very powerful and influential 33rd-Degree Scottish-Rite Freemason, created the "Palladian Order of Skull and Bones" at the University of Arkansas on May 1, 1876.

Maybe we should leave the dead,and be more concerned of the living,but i know it is hard when people still follow this dead nutters instructions.

[meksar]

They probably communicate with his spirit during their rituals,there are many aspects of these satanic gatherings which bring out spirits/demons and reptilians through the reverse pentagram.

[lightgiver]

They probably communicate with his spirit during their rituals,there are many aspects of these satanic gatherings which bring out spirits/demons and reptilians through the reverse pentagram.

This is true.:eek:;)

The word conjuration (from Latin 'conjure', 'conjurare', to swear together) can be interpreted in several different ways: as an invocation or evocation (the latter in the sense of binding by a vow); as an exorcism; or as an act of illusionism. The word is often used synonymously with "invocation", although the two are not synonyms. One who performs conjurations is called a conjurer or conjuror.

The text of the charms to be recited to conjure the spirit varies considerably from simple sentences to complex paragraphs with plenty of magic words. The language usually is that of the conjurer's, but since the Middle Ages in Western tradition, Latin was the most common (although many texts have been translated into other languages.

Masih ad-Dajjal (Arabic: المسيح الدّجّال‎, literally "The Impostor Messiah") is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology. He is to appear pretending to be Masih (or the Messiah) at a time in the future, before Yawm al-Qiyamah (The Day of Resurrection, Judgment Day).

An invocation (from the Latin verb invocare "to call on, invoke") may take the form of:

* Supplication or prayer.
* A form of possession.
* Command or conjuration.
* Self-identification with certain spirits.

The first use of the term evocation was for the religious/magical practice of calling the tutelary deities of a city out of it so attackers could succeed in their conquest. The deity in question was promised worship by the attackers in the future.

The calling forth of spirits was a relatively common practice in Neoplatonism, theurgy and other esoteric systems of antiquity. In contemporary western esoteric ism, the magic of the grimoires is frequently seen as the classical example of this idea. Manuals such as the Greater Key of Solomon the King, The Lesser Key of Solomon (or Lemegeton), the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage and many others provided instructions that combined intense devotion to the divine with the summoning of a personal cadre of spiritual advisers and familiars.

I wonder why they are so secretive.Selling your soul for short term desires,only fools meddle with such evil.

While many later, corrupt and commercialised grimoires include elements of 'diabolism' and one (The Grand Grimoire) even offers a method for making a pact with the devil, in general the art of evocation of spirits is said to be done entirely under the power of the divine. The magician is thought to gain authority among the spirits only by purity, worship and personal devotion and study.

Important contributors to the concept of evocation include Henry Cornelius Agrippa, Francis Barrett, Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers, Aleister Crowley, Franz Bardon and Kenneth Grant. The work of all of these authors can be seen as attempts to systematize and modernize the grimoiric procedure of evocation. Only more modern authors, such as Peter Carroll, have attempted to describe evocation in a way independent enough from the grimoiric tradition to fit similar methods of interaction with alleged supernatural agents in other traditions.

The Book of Abramelin tells the story of an Egyptian mage named Abramelin, or Abra-Melin, who teaches a system of magic to Abraham of Worms, a German Jew presumed to have lived from c.1362 - c.1458. The magic described in the book was to find new life in the 19th and 20th centuries thanks to Mathers' translation, The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage, its import within the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and later within the mystical system of Thelema (adapted from the philosophy of François Rabelais in 1904 by Aleister Crowley). The later English translation by Georg Dehn and Steven Guth, based on the earliest and most complete sources, is more scholarly and comprehensive. Dehn attributed authorship of The Book of Abramelin to Rabbi Yaakov Moelin (Hebrew יעקב בן משה מולין; ca. 1365–1427), a German Jewish Talmudist.

[localidiot]

He is dead.

why reap up bad news,we have enough shit with the living.

Hey i know,maybe they have his skull and bones at Yale and they masturbate over them in their sick rituals.

Hey u tube i can still access,even if i cannot play them you NWO lackeys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ooFc8lYbw8

Albert Pike, a very powerful and influential 33rd-Degree Scottish-Rite Freemason, created the "Palladian Order of Skull and Bones" at the University of Arkansas on May 1, 1876.

Maybe we should leave the dead,and be more concerned of the living,but i know it is hard when people still follow this dead nutters instructions.
Skull and Bones was founded in 1832 by William Huntington Russel.


They probably communicate with his spirit during their rituals,there are many aspects of these satanic gatherings which bring out spirits/demons and reptilians through the reverse pentagram.


You are free to peruse the rituals here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun02.htm

[thelonious]

Albert Pike, a very powerful and influential 33rd-Degree Scottish-Rite Freemason, created the "Palladian Order of Skull and Bones" at the University of Arkansas on May 1, 1876.



There is no such thing as a "Palladian Order of Skull and Bones", there is no such society at Arkansas University, and Pike never attended nor founded any fraternal organizationb there.

[thelonious]

The calling forth of spirits was a relatively common practice in Neoplatonism, theurgy and other esoteric systems of antiquity. In contemporary western esoteric ism, the magic of the grimoires is frequently seen as the classical example of this idea. Manuals such as the Greater Key of Solomon the King, The Lesser Key of Solomon (or Lemegeton), the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage and many others provided instructions that combined intense devotion to the divine with the summoning of a personal cadre of spiritual advisers and familiars.

I wonder why they are so secretive.Selling your soul for short term desires,only fools meddle with such evil.


You completely misunderstand the purpose of Goetic evocation. After the Adept has been illuminated by his Holy Guardian Angel, he must fulfill the vow of a Bodhisattva, and liberate all beings. The Divine Light must pass through him, and enlighten even his own demons, or else he is a false Buddha.

[lightgiver]

Skull and Bones was founded in 1832 by William Huntington Russel.



You are free to peruse the rituals here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun02.htm

Are you quite sure about that,was you there when it was founded:confused:;)

There are plenty different story's eh :D http://www.sacred-texts.com/evil/dwf/dwf04.htm
does it really matter.

[lightgiver]

You completely misunderstand the purpose of Goetic evocation. After the Adept has been illuminated by his Holy Guardian Angel, he must fulfill the vow of a Bodhisattva, and liberate all beings. The Divine Light must pass through him, and enlighten even his own demons, or else he is a false Buddha.

Bodhisattvas do not practise in secret,if you want to watch anyone do their practise,you can,without joining any club.;)

and not all Buddhists are genuine,and Buddhist is just a label;)

I misunderstand nothing.;)

Do you know Buddha just means awakened.Nothing fancy or secretive about it.

I know enough about Dharma Thelonious i do not need a lecture.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3593/artgk1qc5.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artgk1qc5.jpg)

[lightgiver]

There is no such thing as a "Palladian Order of Skull and Bones", there is no such society at Arkansas University, and Pike never attended nor founded any fraternal organizationb there.

Are you sure about that??? was you there??

Lot of different sources my friend. http://www.sacred-texts.com/evil/dwf/dwf04.htm

BTW,did you change your MIND.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33410

FUNCTION OF DISCRIMINATION

The function of discrimination is to distinguish an object from other objects and to identify the object as `this' and not `that'. Discrimination associated with conceptual minds also functions to impute, label, or name objects. There are two ways of imputing: imputing by sound and imputing by thought. The former is the same as naming and the latter is the same as conceiving.

The defining characteristics of an object do not exist from the side of the object but are merely imputed by the mind that apprehends them. We can understand this by considering how different people view one object. For example, observing a particular person called John, one person may identify an enemy while another identifies a friend. If the characteristics of enemy and friend existed from the side of the person there would be a contradiction here, but since these characteristics are merely imputed onto the person by different minds there is no contradiction. From his own side John does not have a fixed set of defining characteristics waiting to be discovered by various minds; what he is depends solely upon how he is identified by the minds that apprehend him. We can choose how we discriminate objects. As Dharma practitioners we should choose to discriminate only in constructive ways, in ways that are conducive to virtue.


As long as a practise is for the benefit of all,it does not matter what you do,as long as it is GOOD.

[thelonious]

Lot of different sources my friend. http://www.sacred-texts.com/evil/dwf/dwf04.htm

You are here sourcing Waite's "Devil Worship In France", a book he wrote in order to prove that all this Pike-devil stuff was a hoax (which he did).

I honestly don't think you read your own sources!

[thelonious]

Bodhisattvas do not practise in secret,if you want to watch anyone do their practise,you can,without joining any club.;)

Where did I say anything about joining a club?

and not all Buddhists are genuine,and Buddhist is just a label;)

"Buddhists" don't interest me. It's the *Buddhas* that count. ;)

[lightgiver]

Where did I say anything about joining a club?



"Buddhists" don't interest me. It's the *Buddhas* that count. ;)

Sorry i thought you was a mason.

So if Buddhas count why do Buddhists not,that is discrimination,is it not.

[lightgiver]

You are here sourcing Waite's "Devil Worship In France", a book he wrote in order to prove that all this Pike-devil stuff was a hoax (which he did).

I honestly don't think you read your own sources!

I do,i am just trying to find out who is telling THE TRUTH something hard to come by these days in world of deceit.

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[thelonious]

Sorry i thought you was a mason.

I am, but being a Mason has nothing to do with what I was talking about, i.e., enlightening all aspects of the psyche. Besides, these days, most Ceremonial Magicians are not Masons.

So if Buddhas count why do Buddhists not,that is discrimination,is it not.

If we don't discriminate, then we become pretty poor judges of character.

[thelonious]

I do,i am just trying to find out who is telling THE TRUTH something hard to come by these days in world of deceit.

But we *don't* live in a "world of deceit". In fact, the world is a pretty beautiful place if we know how to live. Life is not a curse, it's a gift.

As for Pike, he wasn't a member of any "Skull and Bones" college frats. He held membership in Masonic organizations, and it was there that he dedicated his time and talents.

Pike himself was a practitioner of Ceremonial Magick, and a student of Levi's. If you want to really know about the man, just read his books instead of wasting so much time and energy studying stuff written *about* him by people who haven't got a clue.

[lightgiver]

But we *don't* live in a "world of deceit". In fact, the world is a pretty beautiful place if we know how to live. Life is not a curse, it's a gift.

As for Pike, he wasn't a member of any "Skull and Bones" college frats. He held membership in Masonic organizations, and it was there that he dedicated his time and talents.

Pike himself was a practitioner of Ceremonial Magick, and a student of Levi's. If you want to really know about the man, just read his books instead of wasting so much time and energy studying stuff written *about* him by people who haven't got a clue.


Could you just do one post please.

TBH i could not care less about pike he is dead.

Yes we do live in a beautiful world but we do not have beautiful people in charge and they are turning the beautiful world into a ugly one,ever been to the slums of India, Pakistan,middle east, Gaza, Europe ETC ETC.

Out of sight out of mind,sure you will have an excuse.

The world is run by corrupt people,come on take the blinkers off. We do not live in a world of deceit,did you see what just happened in Gaza,911 etc,you people just get better.

[lightgiver]

I am, but being a Mason has nothing to do with what I was talking about, i.e., enlightening all aspects of the psyche. Besides, these days, most Ceremonial Magicians are not Masons.



If we don't discriminate, then we become pretty poor judges of character.

One post is sufficient,yes but when people do not know how to discriminate correctly then corruption sets in,

Are you a mason or not? for the umpteenth time.

[thelonious]

One post is sufficient,yes but when people do not know how to discriminate correctly then corruption sets in,

I think you're right about that. Look at the way the Masons are discriminated against on this forum, and I've detected corruption in many anti-Masonic hearts.

Are you a mason or not? for the umpteenth time.

Did you not read what I posted? I said:

I am, but being a Mason has nothing to do with what I was talking about, i.e., enlightening all aspects of the psyche. Besides, these days, most Ceremonial Magicians are not Masons.

[lightgiver]

I think you're right about that. Look at the way the Masons are discriminated against on this forum, and I've detected corruption in many anti-Masonic hearts.




Did you not read what I posted? I said:

And you wonder why masons are discriminated.

You are obviously avoiding Questions so this debate is fruitless.

thelonious
Senior Member


Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 803

18-08-2008, 06:46 PM I'm Considering Leaving Freemasonry
No, I'm not joking.
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I tell you in truth: all men are Prophets or else God does not exist. - Jean-Paul Sartre

Frustration.

I still strongly believe in the teachings and principles of Freemasonry, but lately the level of hypocrisy I've been experiencing is just getting too much, Thelonious. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33410

but lately the level of hypocrisy ,You appear to change with the wind.

[thelonious]

And you wonder why masons are discriminated.

You are obviously avoiding Questions so this debate is fruitless.

Wrong. I answered you like three different times, but you keep asking anyway. I'm beginning to wonder if you're even reading my responses.


Default I'm Considering Leaving Freemasonry


I decided to remain in the fraternity when the Grand Lodge of North Carolina voted to recognize the Prince Hall Lodges.

[lightgiver]

Wrong. I answered you like three different times, but you keep asking anyway. I'm beginning to wonder if you're even reading my responses.



I decided to remain in the fraternity when the Grand Lodge of North Carolina voted to recognize the Prince Hall Lodges.

I read nothing wrong. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33410

[thelonious]

I read nothing wrong.

Yes, you did. I answered you in post #33.

[lightgiver]

Yes, you did. I answered you in post #33.

You must have changed your mind then.I thought you was concerned at the hypocrisy,that's the trouble with any organisation. BIG EGOS.

Some one always wants to be the boss.;)

I am not arguing with you thelonious,i am just wondering where you are coming from. I have nothing against you.:)


First I would like to lead meditation on bodhicitta. And this moment I would like to ask you to visualize white light, like a full moon. Beautiful white light like a full moon. You visualize that on your chest. And think, "This white light is my mind. This white light is loving-kindness. This white light is my mind of loving-kindness, my mind of love, my mind of compassion." So you visualize this beautiful white light, like a complete circle, like a moon. Then light shining, white light shining from here, radiating, shining, radiating. Light shining, radiating to ten directions: to the east, to the west. Light going to the south, to the north. And to the four cardinal directions, and to up, and to down. Light goes to all over, and goes first light goes to this earth, to everywhere on this earth. Then beyond the earth.

So this light reaches, it reach six realms. And this light reach all sentient beings, the light of love. I send my love and compassion, my pure thought, my pure wish, sincere thought. My wish: "May all beings have happiness. May all beings have cause of happiness. May all beings have no suffering. May all beings have no cause of suffering. May all beings have peace and bliss. Enlightened mind -- the mind of Buddha." So I send this light -- every, all sentient beings touched by this light. This light reach all beings, and all beings experience the mind of loving-kindness. [Meditate.]

The subject of the talk to night is meditation on, meditation on bodhicitta, precious bodhicitta. So the subject of talk is meditation on bodhicitta, and this meditation is the essence of the path, and essence of the practice of the final scope, the final scope of Lam Rim, the Great Scope of the Lam Rim.

This is the Right Path.:) Try it.

[lightgiver]

The 10 most evil masons of all time

Take a moment to stand in amazement at the leaders of the world and the one tie that binds them in the darkness. It's to bad the brotherhood as a body hasn't been revealed the final illuminations it deserves.

The 10 most evil masons of all time - YouTube

What a revelation! From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to "seek the Light"! The average Mason is continually saying that he is "seeking the Light", and will spend his entire life "moving toward the Light". Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this "Light" is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian. Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry! Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry.

[thelonious]

The 10 most evil masons of all time
.

Why are you posting stuff that is so riduculously false? And you honestly think you are spreading light and behaving like a boddhisattva by lying about people?

Out of that whole "top ten" list, only 2 of them were actually even Masons, and neither one of them was "evil".

[lightgiver]

Why are you posting stuff that is so riduculously false? And you honestly think you are spreading light and behaving like a boddhisattva by lying about people?

Out of that whole "top ten" list, only 2 of them were actually even Masons, and neither one of them was "evil".

I am exposing evil on this planet the duty of a bodhisattva.

The well-known story that once Buddha in his past lifetime killed a robber to save 500 merchants. Such an action not only receives no punishment, but also increases many merits. The Sila of non-killing has not been broken, but rather this sila of Hinayana has been transcended for a better purpose, the great meritorious sila of Mahayana. Firstly, Buddha did not purposely kill the robber through anger. On the contrary, he had only compassion for that robber who would have committed a great sin if his life had not been ended. Secondly, the killing instrument was used to cease the bad actions of the robber and to save the 500 merchants. Thirdly, the person who was killed was not Buddha's enemy but the enemy of himself and the 500 merchants. Fourthly, the time of killing was a time of compassion and justice, similar to the time a parent strikes a bad son to stop his bad action. How then can many works describe this holy event as the breaking of the sila of non-killing?


If you have nothing to hide then come out of the closet.

[thelonious]

I am exposing evil on this planet the duty of a bodhisattva.

No, you're spreading deceit, which is diametrically opposed to the duty of a bodhisattva,

[lightgiver]

No, you're spreading deceit, which is diametrically opposed to the duty of a bodhisattva,

I spread no deceit.

Do you think if Mugabe was doing these bohemian grove rituals and the rest of it,it would never be off the MSM,but we know who con trols that don't we now.

if you have nothing to hide why worry.

Is that what you are going to use from now on,because i have took bodhisattva vows,

look you, dropping bombs on baby's, women and children is evil:( end of,and you lot have been con trolling things from behind the scenes for far to long with the aid of your masters, and the public need to know what is going on.


That is my mission,you have obviously not read the post i just put up,at least i am not killing.

I will never give up until justice prevails.

[thelonious]

I spread no deceit.

You posted the "top ten evil Masons". But only 2 on the list are even Masons, and you seem to be having trouble coming up with all the evil they supposedly did.

I don't know where you're from, but in *my* neighborhood, that's called lying.

Do you think if Mugabe was doing these bohemian grove rituals and the rest of it,it would never be off the MSM,but we know who con trols that don't we now.

Who cares? That doesn't having anything to do with you bearing false witness, which makes you just as bad as anybody Bohemian Grover working behind the same sort of lies and misinformation.


Is that what you are going to use from now on,because i have took bodhisattva vows

Bullshit. Bodhisattvas don't spread rumors and lies, they spread compassion and light. You have a long way to go.

[kenny_bubb]

fighting for justice via the medium of cut and pasting tripe on an obscure internet forum.
that's our lightgiver, a real modern day superhero... well, a superhero who finds significance in how many people view a forum at any given moment and goes bleating like a startled lamb to moderators whenever he feels threatened.

answer this poser:
in you're world, masons run everything. so how come Grand Secretary has to settle for bit parts in Emmerdale, and isn't nominated for an Oscar?

[lightgiver]

fighting for justice via the medium of cut and pasting tripe on an obscure internet forum.
that's our lightgiver, a real modern day superhero... well, a superhero who finds significance in how many people view a forum at any given moment and goes bleating like a startled lamb to moderators whenever he feels threatened.

answer this poser:
in you're world, masons run everything. so how come Grand Secretary has to settle for bit parts in Emmerdale, and isn't nominated for an Oscar?

So you expect me to type everything out what i know,you just continually repeat yourself.

and GS is to low down,another tool to be used by the top boys.

[thelonious]

fighting for justice via the medium of cut and pasting tripe on an obscure internet forum.
that's our lightgiver, a real modern day superhero... well, a superhero who finds significance in how many people view a forum at any given moment and goes bleating like a startled lamb to moderators whenever he feels threatened.



lol kenny....I think that says it all. ;)

[lightgiver]

lol kenny....I think that says it all. ;)

If you noticed i have replied to his repeater comment LOL :D:D

Where is your proof pike was such a good person,this is what the thread is about not cheap shallow ganging up comments by bully's.

So you expect me to type everything out what i know, knowing IS KNOW LEDGE.

[mike martin]

The 10 most evil masons of all time
Sorry but where are these 10 Masons? Let alone evil ones?

I saw Albert Pike, he was a mason! Was that Hoover? He was a Mason! the last one might have been Harry Truman! He was a Mason! That's 3 out of 10.

What a revelation!
A revelation? What that some people will believe anything if it's stuck on youtube to a rather excellent backing track? Hardly!

; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian.
Err if someone tries to tell you that Freemasonry is Christian, they are lying. There are, however, forms of Freemasonry (such as in Norway) that are Christian. However, the vast majority of Freemasons belong to a Freemasonry that is available to men of any religion as long as they believe in God.

Mike

[kenny_bubb]

no need to type out all you know, i wrote it down in bullet points on the back of a postage stamp days ago.
You seem to have ignored my post about the Jersey child abuse case. Very interesting material, while not sitting comfortably with your easy to wear, one size fits all Masonic conspiracy lunacy.
This is why i find you so amusing. You're so nearly there. But you've copped out and gone for one big bad wolf.
we have wolves to fight, of all shapes and sizes. You've pinned the tail on the Masons, and missed.
And as for cursing posters........ oh, dear.

[lightgiver]

Sorry but where are these 10 Masons? Let alone evil ones?

I saw Albert Pike, he was a mason! Was that Hoover? He was a Mason! the last one might have been Harry Truman! He was a Mason! That's 3 out of 10.


A revelation? What that some people will believe anything if it's stuck on youtube to a rather excellent backing track? Hardly!


Err if someone tries to tell you that Freemasonry is Christian, they are lying. There are, however, forms of Freemasonry (such as in Norway) that are Christian. However, the vast majority of Freemasons belong to a Freemasonry that is available to men of any religion as long as they believe in God.

Mike

ERR whatever you say.

you prove pike was good.

do you not go on you tube or wikipedia? because i have noticed that you do a lot of copy and paste yourself,just a reminder before you start with personnel comments.

[lightgiver]

no need to type out all you know, i wrote it down in bullet points on the back of a postage stamp days ago.
You seem to have ignored my post about the Jersey child abuse case. Very interesting material, while not sitting comfortably with your easy to wear, one size fits all Masonic conspiracy lunacy.
This is why i find you so amusing. You're so nearly there. But you've copped out and gone for one big bad wolf.
we have wolves to fight, of all shapes and sizes. You've pinned the tail on the Masons, and missed.
And as for cursing posters........ oh, dear.

I would rather not type to your comments and this is the reason i did not reply and the reason i will no longer be replying to YOU.

[mike martin]

So you expect me to type everything out what i know,you just continually repeat yourself.

and GS is to low down,another tool to be used by the top boys.

Ooh ah, I'm not sure what to say. I know.

(insert name ) is only a low-level Mason and is therefore too low-level to know about the secret devilish agenda of the "hidden" upper layer. Which of course I know all about (even though I don't even appear on the power structure of Freemasonry) because someone else, who isn't a Mason either, told me so.

illogic bomb away!

Mike

[mike martin]

ERR whatever you say
Oh crap, I'm stuck now. Was it only 2 or 3 Masons in my revelation? That can't be right cos i'm sure that other non-Mason knew what he was sticking on youtube.

you prove pike was good.
Ah, I know. Tell him to prove that someone, who i know full well has been dead for over 100 years and who barely registers on the scale of history outside of the head of conspiracists, is evil.

That'll get me out of this fix.

Mike

[lightgiver]

Ooh ah, I'm not sure what to say. I know.

(insert name ) is only a low-level Mason and is therefore too low-level to know about the secret devilish agenda of the "hidden" upper layer. Which of course I know all about (even though I don't even appear on the power structure of Freemasonry) because someone else, who isn't a Mason either, told me so.

illogic bomb away!

Mike

Mike you continually repeat your self,just ask yourself what are you doing on the D icke forum,because Mr icke does not have a good word to say about your organisation,what ARE you all doing on the D icke forum,i am sure a lot of us would love to know??

ROBERT.:)

BTW the thread is about pike,and i am aware he is long gone DEAD.

[mike martin]

do you not go on you tube or wikipedia? because i have noticed that you do a lot of copy and paste yourself,just a reminder before you start with personnel comments.
Oh really care to share some with me.

I rarely cut and paste from other people because I know more about my subject than most. I usually only need to go to others when what I've written, from my own brain, is challeged and only then to show that I'm not alone with what I know and that it can be verified independently.

Oh but of course I do sometimes copy and past from the books that conspiracists are so happy misquoting because yet another non-Mason has told them it's all true.

Mike

[thelonious]

you prove pike was good.




No deal.

YOU'RE the one who's supposed to be the Bodhisattva, remember? Surely, a holy man would not accuse a good man of being evil, so let's see YOUR proof.

Here are some quotes from Pike, all from Morals and Dogma. As you can see, the guy sounds like he's really evil. :rolleyes:

But the great commandment of Masonry is this: "A new commandment give I unto you: that ye love one another! He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, remaineth still in the darkness."

Such are the moral duties of a Mason. But it is also the duty of Masonry to assist in elevating the moral and intellectual level of society; in coining knowledge, bringing ideas into circulation, and causing the mind of youth to grow; and in putting, gradually, by the teachings of axioms and the promulgation of positive laws, the human race in harmony with its destinies.
-p. 18


When a nation becomes possessed with a spirit of commercial greed, beyond those just and fair limits set by a due regard to a moderate and reasonable degree of general and individual prosperity, it is a nation possessed by the devil of commercial avarice, a passion as ignoble and demoralizing as avarice in the individual; and as this sordid passion is baser and more unscrupulous than ambition, so it is more hateful, and at last makes the infected nation to be regarded as the enemy of the human race. To grasp at the lion's share of commerce, has always at last proven the ruin of States, because it invariably leads to injustices that make a State detestable; to a selfishness and crooked policy that forbid other nations to be the friends of a State that cares only for itself.

-p. 69

It is not beyond the tomb, but in life itself, that we are to seek for the mysteries of death. Salvation or reprobation begins here below, and the terrestrial world too has its Heaven and its Hell. Always, even here below, virtue is rewarded; always, even here below, vice is punished; and that which makes us sometimes believe in the impunity of evil-doers is that riches, those instruments of good and of evil, seem sometimes to be given them at hazard. But woe to unjust men, when they possess the key of gold! It opens, for them, only the gate of the tomb and of Hell. -p.101

Be faithful, therefore, to the promises you make, to the pledges you give, and to the vows that you assume, since to break either is base and dishonorable.

Be faithful to your family, and perform all the duties of a good father, a good son, a good husband, and a good brother.

Be faithful to your friends; for true friendship is of a nature not only to survive through all the vicissitudes of life, but to continue through an endless duration; not only to stand the shock of conflicting opinions, and the roar of a revolution that shakes the world, but to last when the heavens are no more, and to spring fresh from the ruins of the universe.

Be faithful to your country, and prefer its dignity and honor to any degree of popularity and honor for yourself; consulting its interest rather than your own, and rather than the pleasure and gratification of the people, which are often at variance with their welfare.

Be faithful to Masonry, which is to be faithful to the best interests of mankind. Labor, by precept and example, to elevate the standard of Masonic character, to enlarge its sphere of influence, to popularize its teachings, and to make all men know it for the Great Apostle of Peace, Harmony, and Good-will on earth among men; of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity.
-p 112-113

[mike martin]

Mike you continually repeat your self,just ask yourself what are you doing on the D icke forum,because Mr icke does not have a good word to say about your organisation,what ARE you all doing on the D icke forum,i am sure a lot of us would love to know??

The truth doesn't change so obviously I am going to have to repeat it sometimes.

As to why I'm here, well I've got a novel idea for you. Why don't you do some research within this very Forum and look back over the last year and find out for yourself.

Mike

[kenny_bubb]

I would rather not type to your comments and this is the reason i did not reply and the reason i will no longer be replying to YOU.

And Lightgiver finally waves the white flag and admits defeat. Thank you. I have secured an honourable victory.
He calls me a paedophile, he calls me a Mason, and hurls other barbs in my direction. I keep the channels of communication open.

He goes to the moderator blubbing.

you're good at painting a very general wall with bullshit emulsion, but find it hard to fill in the detail with the oil paint of detail.
The Jersey case IS fascinating and interesting, a very real case of corruption. As i said, I've worked hard on it and found it deeply disturbing on a personal level.
You blame it on the Masons from the comfort of your booby-trapped home with absolutely no real knowledge.
How sad.
And if this is another post you feel the need to go crying to mummy moderator about, i say this: who speaks of this with sensitivity and knowledge - and has spoken to some of the victims - and who has undermined their valid case with misinformed, stupid accusations?

[lightgiver]

Oh really care to share some with me.

I rarely cut and paste from other people because I know more about my subject than most. I usually only need to go to others when what I've written, from my own brain, is challeged and only then to show that I'm not alone with what I know and that it can be verified independently.

Oh but of course I do sometimes copy and past from the books that conspiracists are so happy misquoting because yet another non-Mason has told them it's all true.

Mike

So do i know about subjects but if you expect be to sit here and type everything out,then you sir are living in cloud cuckoo land ,and i post vids for entertainment purposes to liven up these otherwise secret societies dull posts.:)
I am not a conspirational theorist BTW.

[kenny_bubb]

[QUOTE=lightgiver;
I am not a conspirational theorist BTW.[/QUOTE]

He's also not a linguist. MODERATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lightgiver]

Just a reminder to people this thread is about albert pike.

Albert Pike was born on December 29, 1809, in Boston, and was the oldest of six children born to Benjamin and Sarah Andrews Pike. He studied at Harvard, and later served as a Brigadier-General in the Confederate Army. After the Civil War, Pike was found guilty of treason and jailed, only to be pardoned by fellow Freemason President Andrew Johnson on April 22, 1866, who met with him the next day at the White House. On June 20, 1867, Scottish Rite officials conferred upon Johnson the 4th to 32nd Freemasonry degrees, and he later went to Boston to dedicate a Masonic Temple.

Pike was said to be a genius, able to read and write in 16 different languages, although I cannot find a record anywhere of what those languages were. In addition, he is widely accused of plagiarism, so take with a pinch of salt. At various stages of his life we was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and philanthropist. A 33rd degree Mason, he was one of the founding fathers, and head of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, being the Grand Commander of North American Freemasonry from 1859 and retained that position until his death in 1891. In 1869, he was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World.

[thelonious]

Just a reminder to people this thread is about albert pike.

So you're not going to comment on the Pike quotes I gave? Have you ever actually read a Pike book?

[thelonious]

Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication.

Well that's just swell.

Thank you, Mr. Holy Man, you sure convinced me!!!! ;)

[kenny_bubb]

when the going gets tough, the mentally mute go deaf" - Billy Ocean

[lightgiver]

So you're not going to comment on the Pike quotes I gave? Have you ever actually read a Pike book?

Why reap up the dead?

I am giving my opinion,you can put as many quotes as you like.

[thelonious]

Why reap up the dead?

I am giving my opinion,you can put as many quotes as you like.

So it's your opinion that Pike had a bracelet that acted as a CB radio to talk with Lucifer?

And you really think you're a Bodhisattva?

:eek:

[lightgiver]

So it's your opinion that Pike had a bracelet that acted as a CB radio to talk with Lucifer?

And you really think you're a Bodhisattva?

:eek:

Why are you continually repeating have you been PM ing your mates:rolleyes:

Repeat Repeat Repeat.

I have pasted umpteen times about Bodhisattva s some thing you know little of.

You are getting boring,you sound like a stuck record.

[thelonious]

Why are you continually repeating have you been PM ing your mates:rolleyes:

Repeat Repeat Repeat.

I have pasted umpteen times about Bodhisattva s some thing you know little of.

You are getting boring,you sound like a stuck record.

Instead of constantly complaining about my question, why not just answer it:

1. Do you believe that Albert Pike talked to Lucifer through a bracelet? You said you were posting your opinion, so.......

2. Do you believe that Bodhisattvas engage in the behavior that you do?

Thanks!

[lightgiver]

Instead of constantly complaining about my question, why not just answer it:

1. Do you believe that Albert Pike talked to Lucifer through a bracelet? You said you were posting your opinion, so.......

2. Do you believe that Bodhisattvas engage in the behavior that you do?

Thanks!

Like i say you do not know enough about Bodhisattvas because if you did you would not be continually repeating yourself.

I did not put the bracelet bit in,also copper bracelets are good for rheumatism,maybe he could talk to Lucifer with it,that's what mentally ill people do.

[kenny_bubb]

Like i say you do not know enough about Bodhisattvas because if you did you would not be continually repeating yourself.

I did not put the bracelet bit in,also copper bracelets are good for rheumatism,maybe he could talk to Lucifer with it,that's what mentally ill people do.

Sweeping statement about the mentally ill. How sad. Somone who believes to be open-minded, and yet so quick to make sweeping, offensive statements.

I am reporting you for this grossly insulting statement.

[lightgiver]

Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind or soul, and -οσις "-osis", for abnormal condition), with adjective psychotic, literally means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are said to be psychotic.

People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living.

I love copy and paste it saves hell of a lot of TIME.

I suppose this type of behaviour is normal,

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2074/deesbohemianjq4.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deesbohemianjq4.jpg)

Albert Pike, became the chief judicial officer for the Klan.

[thelonious]

Like i say you do not know enough about Bodhisattvas because if you did you would not be continually repeating yourself.

I know enough about Bodhisattvas to know that you ain't one.

"Buddha was the first Masonic legislator". - Albert Pike

I did not put the bracelet bit in.

Yes, you did. It's right there in your post, which you defended as your "opinion".

[thelonious]

Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind or soul, and -οσις "-osis", for abnormal condition), with adjective psychotic, literally means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are said to be psychotic.

You mean like people who believe other people are talking to the devil through jewelry?

[kenny_bubb]

i have added that slur to your many others. A little dossier for the moderators.
"paedophile" "mason" etc

hope the book's thrown at you, Daily Mail reader.

[keenly]

pike was a jesuit stooge

[lightgiver]

pike was a jesuit stooge

Yes now a dead one.:D

But it appears he as a lot of lackeys who carry on to abuse with no intervention.

[thelonious]

pike was a jesuit stooge

Oh really? And what did Pike say about the Jesuits?

I'm sure you don't know, so here ya go:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/911698/Humanum-Genus-Pope-Against-Freemasons-Albert-Pike-Response

[thelonious]

Yes now a dead one.

Yet Pike lives on in the minds and hearts of the enlightened.

Do you think you will?

[lightgiver]

You mean like people who believe other people are talking to the devil through jewelry?

Yes like pike,and you do not have to keep doing 2 posts so you think the info will be lost,

I wonder sometimes what masons are doing on the D icke forum in the 1st place,and some of them being allowed to get away with insulting comments,very bizarre.

[thelonious]

Yes like pike

So you admit that you're psychotic?

[limelady]

There is too much bickering and personal finger pointing on this thread.

Please just post your information and your thoughts without the persona slurs against other members.

Thankyou.

[lightgiver]

I know enough about Bodhisattvas to know that you ain't one.

"Buddha was the first Masonic legislator". - Albert Pike



Yes, you did. It's right there in your post, which you defended as your "opinion".

You know nothing of me,cheap comments do not work,like i have posted previously on Bodhisattva s .

and you do not have to keep doing 2 desperate separate posts to answer.

EDIT and going back and editing posts

[thelonious]

and you do not have to keep doing 2 desperate separate posts to answer.


I'm not answering, I'm waiting on you to do so. You made a specific claim about Albert Pike, viz., that he talked to Lucifer through a bracelet.

Now, obviously, a lot of people here are not going to buy that, so I think you should give at least a little bit of proof.

For example, where is the bracelet now? When he called Lucifer on it, did he ever get an answering machine? You know, that sort of stuff.

[lightgiver]

There is too much bickering and personal finger pointing on this thread.

Please just post your information and your thoughts without the persona slurs against other members.

Thankyou.

LL i think the aim is to get this put into the rant room but i for one will not take the bait:)

[kenny_bubb]

So you admit that you're psychotic?

thelonius, we're in a place where Lightgiver can complain about my suggestion he may struggle to put his own trousers on - and i get warned by Limelady - and yet he can accuse anyone of being a paedophile, a Mason,
Hitler's left testicle etc and remain untouched.

Is he psychotic? no. having worked with the mentally ill, and suffered my own mental health problems, he is not.
you need a brain to have mental health problems.

[lightgiver]

I'm not answering, I'm waiting on you to do so. You made a specific claim about Albert Pike, viz., that he talked to Lucifer through a bracelet.

Now, obviously, a lot of people here are not going to buy that, so I think you should give at least a little bit of proof.

For example, where is the bracelet now? When he called Lucifer on it, did he ever get an answering machine? You know, that sort of stuff.

I have already answered you on that one :)

Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind or soul, and -οσις "-osis", for abnormal condition), with adjective psychotic, literally means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are said to be psychotic.

People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living.

[thelonious]

I have already answered you on that one :)

Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind or soul, and -οσις "-osis", for abnormal condition), with adjective psychotic, literally means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality".

1. You say that someone who believes that Pike talked with Lucifer through a bracelet is psychotic.

2. You said it is your opinion that Pike talked with Lucifer through a bracelet.

Man, the Icke forums are getting weird. :eek:

[lightgiver]

1. You say that someone who believes that Pike talked with Lucifer through a bracelet is psychotic.

2. You said it is your opinion that Pike talked with Lucifer through a bracelet.

Man, the Icke forums are getting weird. :eek:

Yes that is correct Pike WAS psychotic,you have hit the nail on the head,well done sir:)

ALBERT PIKE ,Malthusian plaster blasted Psychotic man who is now dead and as been reincarnated as my pet goat.

Masonry, which acts as the contemporary retainer for the ancient Mystery religion, re conceptualizes Satan in a similar fashion. In Morals and Dogma, 33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike candidly exalts the fallen angel,

LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendours intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not.

[lightgiver]

“ The Order demands the immediate enforcement of the D..M..J.. Nevertheless (Deus Meumque Jus).

It is necessary to give the secret of this order.

Exoterically [outwardly] D..M..J.. are the initials of the motto of the 33rd degree: Deus Meumque Jus [= Dieu et mon Droit printed on the cover of every British passport! =God and my right.]

Destruction of: Supernaturalism
of: Authority
of: Anti-Masonic-activity
-- --
Materialism of: Conscience
of: Education
of: the State
-- --
Imposition on: the Family
on: the Nation
on: Humanity

101 years after Pike, Gorbachev enacts the D..M..J.. policy. According to Commander M.J.L. Blake, Royal Navy, and Colonel B.S. Turner C. Eng., M.I. Mech. E., in their observations on the Soviet “War Beneath the Level of Military Conflict”, Gorbachev declared on the 25th of November 1986 to Officials and Military personnel in Uzbekistan that:

“ There must be no let up in the war against religion, because, as long as religions exist, communism [the secular faith] cannot prevail. We must intensify the destruction of all religions, where ever they are being practiced and taught.” On November 1987 after announcing his Glasnost and Perestroika he said: “In October 1917, we departed the old world and irreversibly rejected it. We are travelling to a new world, the world of communism. We shall never deviate from this path.”

Quite funny that i was in Berlin just before the wall fell.

[arten]

I have already answered you on that one :)

Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind or soul, and -οσις "-osis", for abnormal condition), with adjective psychotic, literally means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are said to be psychotic.

People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living.

There is no such condition Psychiatry is Pseudoscience those with the control created this nonsense to label those who get close to the Truth with a mental illness. Yet anyone who is au fait with those who are at the forefront of studying Consciousness will point you to the work of David Chalmers and the Hard Problem of Consciousness. It on its own blows Psychiatry out of the water but for now I will leave you with this film and I suggest those of you believe that Psychatry is of value pay special attention, because it is a Charade.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8058160857846500132

[lightgiver]

There is no such condition Psychiatry is Pseudoscience those with the control created this nonsense to label those who get close to the Truth with a mental illness. Yet anyone who is au fait with those who are at the forefront of studying Consciousness will point you to the work of David Chalmers and the Hard Problem of Consciousness. It on its own blows Psychiatry out of the water but for now I will leave you with this film and I suggest those of you believe that Psychatry is of value pay special attention, because it is a Charade.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8058160857846500132

Is it now,sorry to tell you there are psychopaths on the loose who need medication you tell that to the family's of released patients who should not have been released.

Psychosis can be brought on by abuse and self abuse,you need to work in the field before you watch to many vids,i will not be watching it BTW.;)

If you need to start a thread in another section go ahead this is a pikey thread :)

[arten]

Is it now,sorry to tell you there are psychopaths on the loose who need medication you tell that to the family's of released patients who should not have been released.

Psychosis can be brought on by abuse and self abuse,you need to work in the field before you watch to many vids,i will not be watching it BTW.;)

If you need to start a thread in another section go ahead this is a pikey thread :)

There is no such thing as Mental illness this is just a label that they want you to believe in they want you in fear of other people. If you tell a child often enough that it is stupid, eventually that child will believe you and start living up to your expectations. Same with mental illness, tell a person they are nuts and they will act nuts. It is all Hypnosis and it is all Bollocks.
You need to get a grip mate, I thought you was into Buddhism you had a Buddhist avatar when I joined the board and first interacted with you on here. If you are a Buddhist then you should have a far greater understanding of Mind and Maya than most but it looks like you don't. :(

[lightgiver]

Just a reminder this thread is about albert pike not abusing me with childish comments,people are posting things they know nothing about.

You can send as many as you want to back stab me,matters not i will take you all on single handed the more the merrier.:) ha ha.

[lightgiver]

There is no such thing as Mental illness this is just a label that they want you to believe in they want you in fear of other people. If you tell a child often enough that it is stupid, eventually that child will believe you and start living up to your expectations. Same with mental illness, tell a person they are nuts and they will act nuts. It is all Hypnosis and it is all Bollocks.
You need to get a grip mate, I thought you was into Buddhism you had a Buddhist avatar when I joined the board and first interacted with you on here. If you are a Buddhist then you should have a far greater understanding of Mind and Maya than most but it looks like you don't. :(

I understand more than you could ever imagine,

tell that to the sister of a mental health patient who was just stabbed to death of her Psychotic brother who is severely unwell but was released due to un professional practises,like the above statement.

ever worked in Ashworth??

BTW this is about pikes deceased well being,why it matters so much to some is beyond me,well not really because some are still following his delusional beliefs.

[arten]

Just a reminder this thread is about albert pike not abusing me with childish comments,people are posting things they know nothing about.

You can send as many as you want to back stab me,matters not i will take you all on single handed the more the merrier.:) ha ha.

Post do tend to drift off topic sometimes it is all relevant. I suggest that it is you who are ignorant and you project that onto others. You talk about childishness then engage in it. I have no idea how old you are but you sound like a juvenile delinquent.:eek:

[lightgiver]

Post do tend to drift off topic sometimes it is all relevant. I suggest that it is you who are ignorant and you project that onto others. You talk about childishness then engage in it. I have no idea how old you are but you sound like a juvenile delinquent.:eek:

You assume to much. how you come to that conclusion,have you seen me type personnel insults against my stalkers??

Personnel comments again,does not surprise me.:D:D


tell that to the sister of a mental health patient who was just stabbed to death of her Psychotic brother who is severely unwell but was released due to un professional practises,like the above statement.

[arten]

You assume to much. how you come to that conclusion,have you seen me type personnel insults against my stalkers??

Personnel comments again,does not surprise me.:D:D

There was no assumption it was based on your last post in which you complained about childishness when you in fact made a childish statment in your last post. Again that is Projection at work. I don't think anyone is stalking you I won't call you paranoid though :D

[lightgiver]

There was no assumption it was based on your last post in which you complained about childishness when you in fact made a childish statment in your last post. Again that is Projection at work. I don't think anyone is stalking you I won't call you paranoid though :D

Nothing childish in my comments,

Blundering hospital released TWO mental health patients to kill.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-566879/Blundering-hospital-released-TWO-mental-health-patients-kill.html

From The Times
June 22, 2007
Mental patient killed teenager after release
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1969184.ece


Doctors 'played down danger' of mental patient who killed cyclist

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/doctors-played-down-danger-of-mental-patient-who-killed-cyclist-424663.html

a few of thousands.

It is not me who is paranoid.

this is what happens when you have FOOLS in CHARGE.

[limelady]

Just a reminder here this thread is NOT about debating mental illness. The thread title is called Albert Pike is a "hero"

If you wish to discuss mental illness, then why not start a new thread in the appropriate section?

Now can we get back on track with the thread title here please people? :)

[arten]

[QUOTE=lightgiver;797927]Nothing childish in my comments,

Oh dear he cannot even recognise them for gods sakes :eek:

[lightgiver]

Nothing childish in my comments,

Blundering hospital released TWO mental health patients to kill.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-566879/Blundering-hospital-released-TWO-mental-health-patients-kill.html

From The Times
June 22, 2007
Mental patient killed teenager after release
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1969184.ece


Doctors 'played down danger' of mental patient who killed cyclist

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/doctors-played-down-danger-of-mental-patient-who-killed-cyclist-424663.html

a few of thousands.

It is not me who is paranoid.

this is what happens when you have FOOLS in CHARGE.

Also plenty more cases arten,

i hope you are not on the receiving end of mentally ill people,because there are plenty around lose in society and tend to be in top positions running country's.

and messing with practises people know nothing of can induce mental illness.

Patients went on to kill 'after failures of mental health trust'

and just to remind peeps this thread is about pike and his delusional beliefs.

Patients went on to kill 'after failures of mental health trust'

JUST BECAUSE A DOCTOR AS TITLES BEFORE HIS OR HER NAME DOES NOT NECESSARILY MAKE HIM AN EXPERT .

[lightgiver]

Also plenty more cases arten,

i hope you are not on the receiving end of mentally ill people,because there are plenty around lose in society and tend to be in top positions running country's.

and messing with practises people know nothing of can induce mental illness.

Patients went on to kill 'after failures of mental health trust'

and just to remind peeps this thread is about pike and his delusional beliefs.

Patients went on to kill 'after failures of mental health trust'

JUST BECAUSE A DOCTOR AS TITLES BEFORE HIS OR HER NAME DOES NOT NECESSARILY MAKE HIM AN EXPERT .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/jul/02/mentalhealth.nhs

1.4 million people are stalked annually in the United States. 1 in 12 women and 1 in 45 men will be stalked in their lifetime. 77% of women and 64% of men know their stalkers. 87% of stalkers are male. Less than two percent of stalking cases result in homicide. However, the emotional toll on the victims is significant, especially if you don't know who the stalker is, or if he/she is mentally ill.

http://www.officer.com/web/online/Investigation/Emotionally-DisturbedMentally-Ill-Stalkers/18$37917

Forensic psychologists have identified three types of stalking: simple obsessional, love obsessional, and erotomania. The three defining elements that are indicative of the typology of stalker are: (1) the stalker's relationship with the victim, (2) the stalker's motive in pursuing the victim, (3) the stalker's behavior. All stalkers are obsessional; they maintain persistent thoughts and ideas about their victims, often for years.

I never realised i was loved so much.:D:D

Now back to pike and his mental illness.

[lightgiver]

Simple Obsession Stalkers

These stalkers have previously been involved in an intimate relationship with their victims. Often the victim has attempted to call off the relationship but the stalker simply refuses to accept it. These stalkers suffer from personality disorders, including being emotionally immature, extremely jealous, insecure, have low self-esteem and quite often feel powerless without the relationship.

While reconciliation is the goal, this stalker believes they must have a specific person back or they will not survive.

also,

Other Stalkers

Some stalkers harass their victim not out of love but out of hate. Occasionally, stalking becomes a method of revenge for some misdeed against the stalker, real or imagined. Stalking can also be used as a means of protest. This is the smallest group, but this type of stalking, for revenge and protest, can be especially dangerous. There have been several killings by stalkers at abortion clinics, and mass murders around the country by employees who have been fired and then returned to stalk and eventually kill those who have fired them.


Its a good job i have not got my details on here and i sleep with a shotgun under the bed.;):D:D Only joking about the gun.

[arten]

Well before Limelady jumps on poor me again I will say again there is no such thing as Mental Illness the powers that be that control the system set this crap up so that anyone who gets close to the Truth a la David Icke is immediately branded a Mental Case. And what do 90% of the people do they say Icke is Nuts. :(

[lightgiver]

Well before Limelady jumps on poor me again I will say again there is no such thing as Mental Illness the powers that be that control the system set this crap up so that anyone who gets close to the Truth a la David Icke is immediately branded a Mental Case. And what so 90% of the people do they say Icke is Nuts. :(

But D icke as proof,unlike the deranged MSM.

Believe you me who ever says mental illness does not exist are mentally ill themselves.

so what as just happened in Gaza is NORMAL????????? Slaughtering Babies is normal is it?Maybe for the likes of pike and his followers.

Ever been to Bohemian grove?

[arten]

But D icke as proof,unlike the deranged MSM.

Believe you me who ever says mental illness does not exist are mentally ill themselves.

so what as just happened in Gaza is NORMAL????????? Slaughtering Babies is normal is it?Maybe for the likes of pike and his followers.

Ever been to Bohemian grove?

Slaughtering anyone is not normal and labeling people is the norm in your spurious society. Go and watch the film I posted there is no test for mental illness so how can you or anyone else judge if someone is mentally ill? It is a condition that does not exist it is just more fiction and you have been duped.

[lightgiver]

Slaughtering anyone is not normal and labeling people is the norm in your spurious society. Go and watch the film I posted there is no test for mental illness so how can you or anyone else judge if someone is mentally ill? It is a condition that does not exist it is just more fiction and you have been duped.

Derailing,geez they must be queuing up at the door :rolleyes:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9470/popav2mr3.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=popav2mr3.jpg)

Why don't you start a thread on mental illness instead of ruining this thread.

[arten]

Derailing,geez they must be queuing up at the door :rolleyes:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9470/popav2mr3.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=popav2mr3.jpg)

Why don't you start a thread on mental illness instead of ruining this thread.

Why don't you follow your own advice you brough the subject up long before I even mentioned it tut tut. LOL

[lightgiver]

Why don't you follow your own advice you brough the subject up long before I even mentioned it tut tut. LOL

But i am not the one of the gang trying to ruin this truth thread,that why i am getting so much abuse, the truth hurts.

i can take it,My daughter is more grown up then some so called adults on here.

start a thread will you, if you feel so right,if you do not start a thread that proves you are wrong.

This is a thread about pike not me.:rolleyes:

[arten]

But i am not the one of the gang trying to ruin this truth thread,that why i am getting so much abuse, the truth hurts.

i can take it,My daughter is more grown up then some so called adults on here.

start a thread will you, if you feel so right,if you do not start a thread that proves you are wrong.

This is a thread about pike not me.:rolleyes:

You start a thread you brought mental illness into this one thus taking it off topic. If you don't start another thread on mental illness that proves you agree there is no such condition LOL

[lightgiver]

You start a thread you brought mental illness into this one thus taking it off topic. If you don't start another thread on mental illness that proves you agree there is no such condition LOL

Will you stop waffling and do one or do a thread.
Of course there is mental illness are you in Scientology or something.