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dell66759
23-06-2007, 07:32 PM
In the chaos and confusion that followed Germany's defeat at the end of the Second World War literally millions of Germans died (exactly as planned - see Germany must perish ! - a jew hate book http://www.iamthewitness.com/GermanyMustPerish.htm ). In an unprecedented humanitarian disaster an estimated sixteen million ethnic Germans fled their ancestral homelands in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and other parts of Eastern Europe to Germany. These were mostly women, children and elderly men who took to the open road before the advancing Red Army. Of these Canadian historian James Bacque estimates that between two and six million died in the process (3). Millions more died in Germany itself through a combination of disease, exposure and starvation, produced and compounded by deliberate Allied policies


"Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in American camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."

Read more:
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/us_war_crimes/allied_war_crimes_1941-1950.htm

Also:
Allied War Crimes: The Greatest Mass Rape in History
http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs9512d.html

hagbard_celine
23-06-2007, 09:43 PM
This kind of thing makes me ashamed to be British!

:mad:

I would burn my passport in protest, if I hadn't already done so.

december
23-06-2007, 10:03 PM
This kind of thing makes me ashamed to be British!

:mad:

I would burn my passport in protest, if I hadn't already done so.

Don't blame the British people for it, but rather the BRITISH AND AMERICAN ZIONIST JEWISH BARBARIANS.

THE CITY OF DRESDEN IN 1945

http://www.fuer-deutschland.net/S-1/gif__02--3__DRESDEN-s_LEICHEN_TRUMMER__gross.jpg

http://www.fuer-deutschland.net/S-1/gif__02--2__DRESDEN_IN_TRUMMERN__gross.jpg

THE CITY OF DRESDEN IN 1945
MOST INNOCENT BOMB VICTIMS.
MOTHERS WITH THEIR CHILDREN.

http://www.fuer-deutschland.net/S-1/gif__Dresden_Feb_1945.jpg

http://www.fuer-deutschland.net/S-1/gif__Dresden_Bomb_Victims_cu83A6.jpg

PILE OF GERMANS -- YOUNG AND OLD -- MALE AND FEMALE -- READY TO BE SET ON FIRE RIGHT IN THE STREET . . .

http://www.fuer-deutschland.net/S-1/gif__13_MILLION_GERMANS_WERE_SHOT_ON_THE_SPOT_LONG _AFTER_WW-2.jpg


http://www.spotlightgermany.com/images/Photos/dresden_germany_map.gif

intruder
23-06-2007, 10:38 PM
and I could "deny" this to my hearts content (if I was that foolish) and NOBODY would bat an eye, let alone conspire to imprison me. Isn't that odd....
yet if you DARE to even question the legitmacy of certain "accepted facts" regarding other aspects of WWII...well, you know the drill.

hagbard_celine
24-06-2007, 10:23 PM
Don't blame the British people for it, but rather the BRITISH AND AMERICAN ZIONIST JEWISH BARBARIANS.


I don't blame the British people. Yes, they collaborated with the authorites and took part in WWII, but then who wouldn't with the kind of media propagnada that was around back them? It was much harder to access alternative viewpoints in those days.

I love this island I live on for its beauty and culture, its wisdom and mythology. But this country called Britan and the UK govt are as much divorced enties as CLAC (the City of London America Company, what is wrongly called the US federal govt) and the piece of land called America.

I blame the Illuminati-occupied govts of the US and UK totally. But Zionism is just one strand of the conspiracy. Not all the Illuminati are Jews and there is nothing inhearent in Judaism itself that desires world domination. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is merely a paraphrased copy of a hidden document.

december
24-06-2007, 11:07 PM
Not all the Illuminati are Jews....

But they all support the Jewish state.
Well, I guess it's just a coincidence, there is nothing to worry about... Correct?

hagbard_celine
26-06-2007, 10:43 PM
But they all support the Jewish state.
Well, I guess it's just a coincidence, there is nothing to worry about... Correct?

Yes, the Illuminati do, not all the Jews.

december
27-06-2007, 03:40 AM
Yes, the Illuminati do, not all the Jews.

Not all Jews support Israel? Is that what you said?
Can you tell me HOW MANY Jews do not support Israel?

hagbard_celine
27-06-2007, 10:21 PM
Not all Jews support Israel? Is that what you said?
Can you tell me HOW MANY Jews do not support Israel?

Political opposition
The Zionist movement before the 1930s met with some ambivalence among the world's Jewish communities. While the religious connections with the Land of Israel were indisputable, many disassociated themselves with the socialist ideology that dominated early political Zionism. While the revisionist Zionist movement emerged as an alternative over time, the Holocaust solidified Zionism as a mainstream movement in world Jewry.

Many Jews, mainly in Europe, who supported socialist or communist political ideas, took the view that the defeat of anti-Semitism and the winning of civic equality for Jews required participation in the common struggle against capitalism and oppressive regimes. Yet, many in this group also felt that for Zionists to advocate emigration to Palestine would perpetuate the segregation of the "ghetto" that they were fighting to overcome. Some Jewish socialists rejected this latter view and became Socialist Zionists. The largest Jewish socialist organisation in Europe, the General Jewish Labor Union, also known as the Bund, opposed Zionism right up until the German invasion of Poland in 1939.[12] Other Jewish political movements which rejected Zionism in this period were the Folkists, led by Simon Dubnow, a liberal movement which advocated cultural autonomy for Jews in the diaspora rather than territorial sovereignty, and the Territorialists, a Jewish nationalist movement who broke with Zionism because they were willing to pursue Jewish nationhood anywhere, not just in Palestine.

Religious opposition

Main article: Haredim and Zionism
The leader of the Satmar Chasidic sect, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum's book, VaYoel Moshe, published in 1958, expounds one Orthodox position on Zionism, based on a literal form of midrash (biblical interpretation). Citing to Tractate Kesubos 111a of the Talmud Teitelbaum states that God and the Jewish people exchanged three oaths at the time of the Jews' exile from ancient Israel:

That the Jewish people would not ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force;
That the Jewish people would not rebel against the governments of countries in which they lived;
That the Jewish people would not, by their sins, prolong the coming of the Jewish Messiah.
Many other Orthodox Jews, including the Agudat Israel party, which has participated in most of Israel's coalition governments, accept the validity of these oaths, but have found ways of accommodating the Israeli state.[citation needed] They argue either that the Holocaust represented excessive persecution, thereby releasing the Jews from these oaths, or, more commonly, based in pragmatism, that it is better to cooperate with Israel than to actively oppose it. Thus the Belzer, and Gerer Hasidim, among others, claim that involvement in Israeli politics is necessary in order to offer a religious viewpoint in the Israeli Knesset. Some Haredi figures have even lent support to Israeli military operations. The Lubavitcher Rebbe in particular voiced his vehement opposition to land concessions, based on the Code of Jewish Law, and encouraged his followers living in Israel to serve in the Israeli Defense Forces.[13] All Hasidic Jewish opponents to Zionism, including Rabbi Teitelbaum and Rabbi Shapira, do approve of Jews living in the Land of Israel. Their opposition is not to Jews living in the Land of Israel, but to the ideology of Zionism. Indeed, there are many Hasidim and yeshivos of both Munkacz, Satmar and many other strongly anti-Zionist groups in Israel, particularly in Jerusalem.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Anti-Zionism#Jewish_anti-Zionism


There's also modern writers like Noam Chomsky. Jews are like anyone else; with different ideas and opinions. If we've been lied to about WWII and the Holocaust then none have been more exploited than the Jews. Frederick Toben makes this point in his film.

december
28-06-2007, 04:45 PM
There's also modern writers like Noam Chomsky. Jews are like anyone else; with different ideas and opinions. If we've been lied to about WWII and the Holocaust then none have been more exploited than the Jews. Frederick Toben makes this point in his film.

hagbard_celine, if if you tell people in Israel that some Jews are against the Jewish state, then they tell you that you can find some crazy people in your England as well.