Greenwashing

[baron von lotsov]

Rolling Stone magazine has devoted a sizable portion of their latest issue (on newsstands until June 28) to talking about the dangers we face relating to global warming. They've enlisted help from some heavy hitters, including media juggernaut and "environmentalist-in-chief" Al Gore, who's been making the rounds lately. In an interview with the mag (read it here, listen to it here), Al talks about the rising tide of support for the climate crisis, whether or not we've reached a tipping point, and how events like Live Earth can help his cause. One thing he said really resonated with TreeHugger; when asked if he believes we can be saved by Priuses and new lightbulbs, Gore said, "I agree that we're not going to solve this problem by buying Priuses and changing our light bulbs. But driving hybrids and choosing better technology is still important in two respects. First, it makes a small contribution to reducing CO2. And second, when people make changes in their own lives, they are much more likely to become part of a critical mass of public opinion and to support the bigger policy changes that are going to be needed to really solve the problem."

http://www.treehugger.com/culture_celebrity/


What big changes does the system have up its sleeve?

[baron von lotsov]

No ideas?

[the festival spirit]

Get us to clean up the earth for them.

[viginti tres]

World government...World tax....World religion......

We had some 'greenies' in town the other week and as I was walking past one girl decided to stop me and have a chat.........she started by talking about the slaughter of whales etc....which I do not agree with.....but this was only brief as she inevitably dropped the climate change spiel and started to tell me we need to stop it.....the conversation went as follows...

".......and we are addressing the issue of climate change and working to stop it," was her begining.
" You're not going to stop climate change," I replied.
" Well we have to try....bla bla bla (usual brain washed rhetoric),"
...pointing at the sun..."You see that big flaming ball up there....that's whats causing climate change,"
"No its not"
"Well then explain this one......every single planet in our solar system is going through climate change....every single one....there is a common theme here and it is not man.......," and I left it at that....confident I had given her something to chew on for a while
"I think I should know," she blurted as I was leaving....I simply turned and smiled.....

Now before anyone goes on about, she was just doing her job etc. etc. I've been there.....yes I know it's embarassing but I spent some time advocating for A.C.F (Australian Conservation Foundation) and the Wilderness Society as well as other charities, so I have seen first hand the level of un-education and mind numbing nonsense they spew out as fact......

I spent most of my time questioning everything I was being told and left both charitees in a short time as I saw from the beginning how money and fear oriented it all was......the people I worked with were without any exageration the most un-educated people I've ever come across, and this is why the modern hippie is something I can't bring myself to enjoy the company of......that and that god-awful stench....

I saw time and again these people nodding to the information they were being fed like in some drugged out daze, while in contrast I was questioning everything as I saw from the beginning how ridiculous it all is. When I started to tell everyone that every planet is going through climate change or questioned similiar myths as climate change I was met with confussion and hostility and not one of them put two and two together.....

How little these fools know what they are doing to destroy the few freedom's we have left....

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[cheeb]

Yeah Right on.
But why be fatalistic about it.
What can we do if the sun is getting hotter.
Its only another thing youve been told
You have no proof .other than what you can find on the internet, or magazines

Why not plant more trees
Why not grow your own food
Or maybe make your own energy from deadwood(logs)
Or make your own soil from compost
Or encourage wildlife into your garden by leaving borders larger
Or encouraging insects by leaving an area of wild meadow

I cant see that it will do any harm
If it does no good either- so what

The best response to this would be:

At Least I Tried

pttp

Peace On Earth

[viginti tres]

Yeah Right on.
But why be fatalistic about it.
What can we do if the sun is getting hotter.
Its only another thing youve been told
You have no proof .other than what you can find on the internet, or magazines

Why not plant more trees
Why not grow your own food
Or maybe make your own energy from deadwood(logs)
Or make your own soil from compost
Or encourage wildlife into your garden by leaving borders larger
Or encouraging insects by leaving an area of wild meadow

I cant see that it will do any harm
If it does no good either- so what

The best response to this would be:

At Least I Tried

pttp

Peace On Earth

I have been TOLD nothing without doing my own research on the subject.....everything I know I have researched myself....and looked at the evidence myself, not through some secondary source.....I have stated time and time again on this forum that to follow is folly.....and I follow no person, no belief, and nothing but myself, and fatalistic, I'm not being fatalistic, I'm being realistic.....just because I see an inevitable polarity shift, doesn't mean I don't protect the environment (and this comes from viewing satelite images depicting strong magnetic changes in the south pole.....a strong indicator of a polarity shift...)

I constructed that post with the intention of bringing to life the naivity and ignorance of those in the environmental movement......Baron is spot on about this one as these are some of the most ridiculously delluded people out there......ask yourself this cheeb, why would I join an environmental organisation if I have no intention of protecting the planet.........I do my bit and always have taking only what I need and giving back what I can, the fact that I even considered joining several organisation's that claim to protect the environment should have made this abundantly clear to you, but once more I find myself ellaborating as my post is taken totally out of context.....

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[baron von lotsov]

Hmm, very interesting. It reminds me of what Henry Makow was saying about when he was at college. He was around in the 70s and the big thing was the Vietnam War. He was an intelligent guy doing a PhD at the time and he went along with it because he considered the war immoral and of course, he was right.

However, at a certain point something strange happened. All the people involved with all of those demonstrations and all of the various groups he was with suddenly changed and moved on to some other protest, which amongst other things was stuff like women's rights, the Greenham Common type of thing. He reasoned it mightily strange that an entire movement strongly concerned for a cause should suddenly switch onto other protests virtually unconnected with the original theme.

It was at this point he decided to research the issue until an answer was forthcoming. What he eventually found was startling, in that the groups were actually directed by the establishment. This was the point when he decided to direct his energies towards conspiracy research. Often it is the people who have been inadvertently a part of something that they were not aware of who are the ones who get the greatest shock when the penny drops.

[cheeb]

For christs sake, I,m not dissin your research'
Ultimately where do you get it from,
Climate Change, Polar shifts, satellite images'
Knowledge of these things,you way have ,but your sources may be dodgy
observations from within,ie you,dont take anyone elses word for it

Find out yourself,you know in your heart whats true
From what I see,climate change and planetary warming are devisive tools
To stop anyone like you and me making a difference

We are not powerless in this Global deception'
As you shuold already know, one man can make a difference'

That is all it takes

POE

pttp

[baron von lotsov]

I started this thread and it got zero attention so meanwhile I have had another thread running. For more greenwashing step this way.

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/4540053838

This is the kind of place where there are members of the general public not entirely clued up, so it's a good place to spread some info.

[the festival spirit]

I started this thread and it got zero attention so meanwhile I have had another thread running. For more greenwashing step this way.

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/4540053838

This is the kind of place where there are members of the general public not entirely clued up, so it's a good place to spread some info.

hi baron, I may have inadvertantly got you mixed up with someone else recently, if I am wrong I apologise to teh person I spoke to. Baron, I like the info you are giving here, I think, you havent said that much but its a good issue to bring up, very good.

I think you will get a bit more attention now, but I think we all know we are not here for attention, we are here to learn, and by informing and sharing knowledge (and opinions) we all learn.

Well done.

Cheeb and Virgini,

Weare all on the same side really, we all love each other, cheeb, friend, can you be a little bit more careful with your words? I am not criticising, I love everybody. Words are mightier than the sword apparently, be careful how you wield them. Virgini makes good points and he really does care. We all do, mainly.

Cheeb, what does the POE and pttp mean please ?

LOVE PEACE AND RESPECT to everyone,

[viginti tres]

For christs sake, I,m not dissin your research'
Ultimately where do you get it from,
Climate Change, Polar shifts, satellite images'
Knowledge of these things,you way have ,but your sources may be dodgy
observations from within,ie you,dont take anyone elses word for it

Find out yourself,you know in your heart whats true
From what I see,climate change and planetary warming are devisive tools
To stop anyone like you and me making a difference

We are not powerless in this Global deception'
As you shuold already know, one man can make a difference'

That is all it takes

POE

pttp

Chill cheeb

We do what we can yes, but ....you are the one that took my post out of context....I simply clarified things.....I know we are not powerless, we have the power, we simply need to realise it.

Look at it this way.......as a man or a woman growing up we go through changes...or cycles if you willl, well consider the Earth as a massive living organism (which it is) and consider that the Earth too goes through cycles as does a man or a woman. Now if you were to stop a woman from growing breasts or stop a man from growing his member, this would conflict with these natural cycles...yes. Well the Earth has a similiar phase (as does all planets, so it would seem) and we are just going to have to deal with this I'm afraid....nature is in perfect balance....all of the universe is in perfect balance...man is not at this time...this is simply the way it is and who are we to stop the Earth from doing what it needs to do.......how do you know that this won't aid us....anything can happen, take another look around you, this planet and EVERY planet in our solar system is changing, the question is do we change with it....or do we stagnate..........

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[synergy777]

global warming is due to sun spot activity. the sun is heating up, giving out more heat, due to increased activity. so logically this will heat the earth more, which will release more co2. add in the factor of industrial activity, then this is magnified. mars and other planets are heating up, water tables, ice melting etc. last time i checked, mars was free from industrial activty, well at least on the surface, lol. also Sir Patrick Moore on the radio, stated the sunspot activity as the main cause, and dismissed this green control/lifestyle change/agenda 21 as political correct garbage. they hype it like this, to marginalise those who question it. like they brand those who oppose war as anti patriotic.

[viginti tres]

global warming is due to sun spot activity, teh sun i sheating up, givinmg out more heat, so logically this will heat the earth more, which will release more co2. add in the factor of industrial activity, then this is magnified. mars and other planets are heating up, water tables, ice melting etc. last time i checked, mars was free from industrial activty, well at least on the surface, lol. also Sir Patrick Moore on the radio, stated the sunspot activity as the main cause, and dismissed this green control/lifestyle change/agenda 21 as political correct garbage. they hype it like this, to marginalise those who question it. like they brand those who oppose war as anti patriotic.

Exactly, and this instigates change on every level of our planet.....which inevitably leads to changes, that are beyond our control, yet far beyond our understanding.....

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[synergy777]

energies from the sun do affect us, maybe increased activity is helping people awake, or maybe people awakening is affecting the sun?

if the son don't shine, the sun don't shine - jay z.

[the festival spirit]

can anyone tell me how many posts I have made on this thread please?

I know its off topic like.

sorry.

Virgini do you see my posts?

[synergy777]

check goro adachi, space weather. also ask yourself how did the mayans know about sun spot cycles/2012? empires have rose and fell in league with sun spot activity.

[viginti tres]

The only thing I know is that all things happen for a reason, perhaps we are changing the universe as much as the universe is changing us.....we shall wait and see, and ofcourse in the mean time be the very best we can be.

The Mayans knew because they had incredible knowledge on the procession of the equinox and the movement of planetary bodies that was chartered for eons on end with near precise measurements, as I was saying....cycles...the end of one and the BEGINNING of another (or as Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins would put it "The End is the beginning, is the end is the beginning is the end).....I can't say how they came to know this information....all I can say on that is that they believe we are making the leap into the element 'ether' at the great date.....I don't know what will happen, nobody does and to claim this is fool's work....though great changes are upon us....we can feel it......right down to our bones.....

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[viginti tres]

can anyone tell me how many posts I have made on this thread please?

I know its off topic like.

sorry.

Virgini do you see my posts?

Yes I do....

Three including the above.....

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[brians201]

Rolling Stone magazine has devoted a sizable portion of their latest issue (on newsstands until June 28) to talking about the dangers we face relating to global warming. They've enlisted help from some heavy hitters, including media juggernaut and "environmentalist-in-chief" Al Gore, who's been making the rounds lately. In an interview with the mag (read it here, listen to it here), Al talks about the rising tide of support for the climate crisis, whether or not we've reached a tipping point, and how events like Live Earth can help his cause. One thing he said really resonated with TreeHugger; when asked if he believes we can be saved by Priuses and new lightbulbs, Gore said, "I agree that we're not going to solve this problem by buying Priuses and changing our light bulbs. But driving hybrids and choosing better technology is still important in two respects. First, it makes a small contribution to reducing CO2. And second, when people make changes in their own lives, they are much more likely to become part of a critical mass of public opinion and to support the bigger policy changes that are going to be needed to really solve the problem."

http://www.treehugger.com/culture_celebrity/


What big changes does the system have up its sleeve?

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I see the glorious Big Con emerging here with Al Gore as the spearhead. It is a distinct possiblity that he will run for president on the back of his current world wide Global Warming campaign. He has as well emerged as something of a celebrity with an Oscar winning DVD on the subject and he seems to be distancing himself from Bush which will of course increase his popularity amongst those who cannot see the sting!

What really pees me off is that it is all based round the CO2 emissions theory causing Global Warming and Baron, your highlighted quote above really shows how they they are going to set their stall out for misdirecting the people away from the real cause by getting them involved in all manner of tiny meaningless things to reduce CO2 emission.

Soon it will be as politically incorrect as smoking is becoming to leave lights on and do all the other 101 things every day that can be interpreted as being "Non CO2 footprint friendly". Already we are being made to feel like pariahs as everything we do is analysed for its CO2 use and all they are going to do with this info is impose more and more taxes on everything that has a carbon footprint used by the public.

No mention anywhere will be made of the simple fact that many of the world's "experts" seem to have been almost coerced into advocting this theory and the ones who speak out in favour of it being caused by the sun seem to have all but disappeared.

This is a major, major disinformation campaign and Gore (and his controller) are using any means they can to promote this theory by organising rock concerts and embracing Hollywood ......... This thread certainly demands more eloquent contributions than I can provide and definitely needs a wider audience.

Also just had a quick look at Treehugger and it is great in telling us how to go green but also does not seem to be spreading the truth of the real cause of Global Warming. Correct me if I am wrong and I would appreciate any links to anywhere showing the truth about this.

[the festival spirit]

good post brian, did you email me? I have some mails but no names so I dont know who they are from, so I didnt reply.

I have said elsewhere on this site, why the heck are they gonna tax us for what they allow the big corporations to do!

pillocks

[cheeb]

Chill cheeb

We do what we can yes, but ....you are the one that took my post out of context....I simply clarified things.....I know we are not powerless, we have the power, we simply need to realise it.

Look at it this way.......as a man or a woman growing up we go through changes...or cycles if you willl, well consider the Earth as a massive living organism (which it is) and consider that the Earth too goes through cycles as does a man or a woman. Now if you were to stop a woman from growing breasts or stop a man from growing his member, this would conflict with these natural cycles...yes. Well the Earth has a similiar phase (as does all planets, so it would seem) and we are just going to have to deal with this I'm afraid....nature is in perfect balance....all of the universe is in perfect balance...man is not at this time...this is simply the way it is and who are we to stop the Earth from doing what it needs to do.......how do you know that this won't aid us....anything can happen, take another look around you, this planet and EVERY planet in our solar system is changing, the question is do we change with it....or do we stagnate..........

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

These are not very good analogies'
Breasts and members(freud would have a field day)

Nature as far as I am aware
(I work with nature at a tree nursury)
Hence study it daily and seasonally.

Is not in perfect balance
I don't go in for the Gaian Hypothesis
'
Nature is like an arms race
each organism, plant, animal forever trying to outdo each other for for food, space, survival.

I beleive this is called Natural Selection'
Survival of the fittest or
Darwins Theorem of Evolution

Same for the universe'
It is not balanced,
it is expanding,contracting,exploding,imploding'

It is accelerating faster than the speed of light(metaphorically).
from a singularity at the begining of the universe

According to Professor Stephen Hawkins
(chair of the Royal Society for the public understanding of sciences at "Oxbridge" University)

I beleive this to be called entrophy and is the opposite of balance

The fragile earth has now become dominated by man,
and we are messing it up

If anyone of us can do anything to give a little back why not

But ultimately it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things,

In an infinate universe
a finate gesture means nothing!

But at least I tried, goddamit'
at least I tried

Hope thats cleared things up
I hate mumbo jumbo
masquerading as facts and science

festival spirit;

Power To The People

Peace On Earth

(I nicked them from Citizen Smith and Dr Strangelove )

[brians201]

I have said elsewhere on this site, why the heck are they gonna tax us for what they allow the big corporations to do!

pillocks[/quote]
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Did anyone see the documentary talked about in this story below ??



Accepted theories about man causing global warming are "lies" claims a controversial new TV documentary.

'The Great Global Warming Swindle' - backed by eminent scientists - is set to rock the accepted consensus that climate change is being driven by humans.

The programme, to be screened on Channel 4 on Thursday March 8, will see a series of respected scientists attack the "propaganda" that they claim is killing the world's poor.

Even the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, is shown, claiming African countries should be encouraged to burn more CO2.

Nobody in the documentary defends the greenhouse effect theory, as it claims that climate change is natural, has been occurring for years, and ice falling from glaciers is just the spring break-up and as normal as leaves falling in autumn.

A source at Channel 4 said: "It is essentially a polemic and we are expecting it to cause trouble, but this is the controversial programming that Channel 4 is renowned for."

Controversial director Martin Durkin said: "You can see the problems with the science of global warming, but people just don't believe you - it's taken 10 years to get this commissioned.

"I think it will go down in history as the first chapter in a new era of the relationship between scientists and society. Legitimate scientists - people with qualifications - are the bad guys.

"It is a big story that is going to cause controversy.

"It's very rare that a film changes history, but I think this is a turning point and in five years the idea that the greenhouse effect is the main reason behind global warming will be seen as total bollocks.

"Al Gore might have won an Oscar for 'An Inconvenient Truth', but the film is very misleading and he has got the relationship between CO2 and climate change the wrong way round."

One major piece of evidence of CO2 causing global warming are ice core samples from Antarctica, which show that for hundreds of years, global warming has been accompanied by higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.

In 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' Al Gore is shown claiming this proves the theory, but paleoclimatologist Professor Ian Clark claims in the documentary that it actually shows the opposite.

He has evidence showing that warmer spells in the Earth's history actually came an average of 800 years before the rise in CO2 levels.

While Prof Clark fully acknowledges that recent increases in atmospheric CO2 are anthropogenic, he just doesn't see any evidence that the man-made increases of CO2 are driving temperature change.

Scientists in the programme also raise another discrepancy with the official line, showing that most of the recent global warming occurred before 1940, when global temperatures then fell for four decades.

It was only in the late 1970s that the current trend of rising temperatures began.

This, claim the sceptics, is a flaw in the CO2 theory, because the post-war economic boom produced more CO2 and should, according to the consensus, have meant a rise in global temperatures.

The programme claims there appears to be a consensus across science that CO2 is responsible for global warming, but Professor Paul Reiter is shown to disagree.

He said the influential United Nations report on Climate change, that claimed humans were responsible, was a sham.

It claimed to be the opinion of 2,500 leading scientists, but Prof Reiter said it included names of scientists who disagreed with the findings and resigned from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and said the report was finalised by Government appointees.

The CO2 theory is further undermined by claims that billions of pounds is being provided by governments to fund greenhouse effect research, so thousands of scientists know their job depends on the theory continuing to be seen as fact.

The programme claims efforts to reduce CO2 are killing Africans, who have to burn fires inside their home, causing cancer and lung damage, because their Governments are being encouraged to use wind and solar panels that are not capable of supplying the continent with electricity, instead of coal and oil-burning power stations that could.

Nigel Calder, a former editor of New Scientist, is featured in the programme, and has just released a book claiming that clouds are the real reason behind climate change.

'The Chilling Stars' was written with Danish scientist Henrik Svensmark who published a scientific paper, claiming cosmic rays cause clouds to
form, reducing the global temperature. The theory is shown in the programme.

Mr Calder said: "Henrik Svensmark saw that cloudiness varies according to how many atomic particles are coming in from exploded stars - when there are more cosmic rays, there are more clouds.

"However, solar winds bat away many of the cosmic rays and the sun is currently in its most active phase, which would be an explanation for global warming.

"I am a science journalist and in my career I have been told by eminent scientists that black holes do not exist and it is impossible that continents move, but in science the experts are usually wrong.

"For me this is a cracking science story - I don't come from any political position and I'm certainly not funded by the multinationals, although my bank manager would like me to be.

"I talk to scientists and come up with one story, and Al Gore talks to another set of scientists and comes up with a different story.

"So knowing which scientists to talk to is part of the skill. Some, who appear to be disinterested, are themselves getting billions of dollars of research money from the Government.

"The few millions of dollars of research money from multinationals can't compare to government funding, so you find the American scientific establishment is all for man-made global warming.

"We have the same situation in Britain The government's chief scientific advisor Sir David King is supposed to be the representative of all that is good in British science, so it is disturbing he and the Government are ignoring a raft of evidence against the greenhouse effect being the main driver against climate change."

The programme shows how the global warming research drive began when Margaret Thatcher gave money to scientists to 'prove' burning coal and oil was harmful, as part of her drive for nuclear power.

Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London who also features in the film, warned the issue was too complex to be down to one single factor, whether CO2 or clouds.

He said: "The greenhouse effect theory worried me from the start because you can't say that just one factor can have this effect.

"The system is too complex to say exactly what the effect of cutting back on CO2 production would be, or indeed of continuing to produce CO2.

"It's ridiculous to see politicians arguing over whether they will allow the global temperature to rise by 2C or 3C."

Mr Stott said the film could mark the point where scientists advocating the greenhouse effect theory, began to lose the argument.

He continued: "It is a brave programme at the moment to give excluded voices their say, and maybe it is just the beginning.

"At the moment, there is almost a McCarthyism movement in science where the greenhouse effect is like a puritanical religion and this is dangerous."

In the programme Mr Calder said: "The greenhouse effect is seen as a religion and if you don't agree, you are a heretic."

He added: "However, I think this programme will help further debate and scientists not directly involved in global warming studies may begin to study what is being said, become more open-minded and more questioning, but this will happen slowly."

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Here is a link to more of Al Gore's bullshit .. We are all gonna end up paying through the nose for all kind of add on's if this guy's view prevails.

What about beef cattle, and as FS says, multinationals ... why concentrate on the individual ....... if not to divert attention.

http://search.msn.co.uk/results.aspx?srch=105&FORM=AS5&q=al+gore+global+warming (http://search.msn.co.uk/results.aspx?srch=105&FORM=AS5&q=al+gore+global+warming)

[montag]

The interviewer asked this fagot about electric light bulbs and he said that it is a lot of hassle for Greenpiece to go round changing people's habits, so what he wants is for the government to pass laws on things like 'one must use a green light bulb'. This might sound trivial to you except bear in mind it was just an example.
Check this out..

World switching on to a bright idea
AUSTRALIA'S plan to phase out the inefficient standard light bulb by 2010 is likely to be adopted by the European and Latin American trading blocs by the end of this year.

More.. (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/world-switching-on-to-a-bright-idea/2007/06/16/1181414613200.html)

Edit:BTW our environment minister Malcolm Turnbull is Australias wealthiest parliamentarian, (former?) Merchant Banker and a Rhodes Scholar, nothing to be concerned about..

[viginti tres]

These are not very good analogies'
Breasts and members(freud would have a field day)

Nature as far as I am aware
(I work with nature at a tree nursury)
Hence study it daily and seasonally.

Is not in perfect balance
I don't go in for the Gaian Hypothesis
'
Nature is like an arms race
each organism, plant, animal forever trying to outdo each other for for food, space, survival.

I beleive this is called Natural Selection'
Survival of the fittest or
Darwins Theorem of Evolution

Same for the universe'
It is not balanced,
it is expanding,contracting,exploding,imploding'

It is accelerating faster than the speed of light(metaphorically).
from a singularity at the begining of the universe

According to Professor Stephen Hawkins
(chair of the Royal Society for the public understanding of sciences at "Oxbridge" University)

I beleive this to be called entrophy and is the opposite of balance

The fragile earth has now become dominated by man,
and we are messing it up

If anyone of us can do anything to give a little back why not

But ultimately it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things,

In an infinate universe
a finate gesture means nothing!

But at least I tried, goddamit'
at least I tried

Hope thats cleared things up
I hate mumbo jumbo
masquerading as facts and science

festival spirit;

Power To The People

Peace On Earth

(I nicked them from Citizen Smith and Dr Strangelove )

Yeah not the best analogy.......perhaps rather the changing that occurs from infant to adult.......

Why the anger?......hate is baggage IMO......if you want to see things that way fine....do so

.....does the universe take more than it gives?...when it is constantly expanding....changing and shifting, why does this happen? Is it part of a much greater plan that perhaps will never end?, and is there balance amongst the chaos and is it all happening for a reason?.....to bring changes....I like to see it as a great dance, and to dance you need to tune in to your partner.....balance, form, composure..the universe is like this IMO, exploding and imploding, creating and destroying in equal measure.....balance...we can observe what happens in our lifetimes and have knowledge of such things that stetch back thousands of years, is this all simply chaos without any end in site?, for no reason but discord, or is it eternally balanced on the grand scheme of things?..........if the universe were not in balance, and it was totally chaotic and entropic....without order than how are we still alive today?, how does the multiverse continue to exist without balance?...

..do animals on this planet take more than they need?....no....do animals go from one species to another wiping them from the face of the Earth with their wrath?....no....nature is in balance ....humans do destroy needlesly and hence are imbalanced...this is why balance is the key to discovering our divinity.....IMO.....

.....oh and for your information I've dedicated my life to helping others and this planet in whatever way I can so ease up on the 'at least I tried drama' we do what we can while we can.....

look at it as mumbo jumbo if you will, that's fine with me, it's just my opinion, take it or leave it........try to calm yourself first, and maybe thats the best way to contribute and to help.....change yourself and you will change the world.......

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[synergy777]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6764

Worst Case Climate Scenario? We've Got It! Times 2
Don Beck – via the Peoples Voice.org June 24, 2007




Two paragraphs from the British newspaper The Observer about a Pentagon study:

"A secret report, suppressed by US defense chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world."

"The [secret] document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents." http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html

This study was conducted in 2003, and the Pentagon has since refuted it to be only a 'worst case scenario'. Well, guess what. This past year, the data that has been flowing in is showing that the climate is changing as fast as the worst case scenarios of our climate scientists!

- The rise in CO2 is above what they thought it would be. -

The increase in global and regional mean temperatures is breaking every record, and is higher than they predicted it would be. - The melting at the poles is more and faster than they thought it would be. - The sea level rise is higher than they thought it would be.

In the past few years, everywhere the scientists look they find that things are happening at or faster than the upper ranges of their previous predictions.(1) The scientific reports from around the world about the accelerating changes have not made it to the US corporate media, though.

US Chief Climatologist Dr. James Hansen released a report last week which stated grave consequences for the human race if the gigantic task of reducing green house gas is not quickly tackled.(2) He used stronger than usual language about the severity of the looming climate change in an effort to get things moving. His report was given little if any print in the US corporate media, of course.

The subtitle of the report is "The Earth Today: Imminent Peril". It states "Instead of sea levels rising by about 40 centimeters, as the IPCC predicts....... the true rise might be as great as several meters by 2100." The huge difference here is because the models have no data for the recent discovery of accelerating glacier movements to the oceans caused by increased melt water at the glacier's bases


Climate is in a crisis

Global warming deniers are starting to move from "There is no global warming" to "OK, the earth is warming, but it isn't caused by man". They are now trying to convince us that the warming is natural, but these are just a few who are being funded by the energy giants. They are succeeding, however, in clouding the issue enough that the changes that need to be made are not happening.

It actually matters very little whether the warming of the Earth's climate is caused by solar activity, or the Earth's orbital variations, or man's emissions of CO2. There is not just one thing affecting the climate. There are many, and they all contribute to the state of our changing climate.


Worst case scenario made even worse!

The situation is made extremely dire because of some disturbing circumstances here in the US:

-The climate is very slow to react to the forces acting on it. And, even if the entire world stopped using fossil fuels, the CO2 that is in the atmosphere now has the power to accelerate the warming for many decades. But most of us feel no change in the climate, so most are not concerned. - We hear conflicting reports (like we did from the tobacco companies) being spewed from paid hacks that are essentially working for the energy giants to keep the public ignorant. - We would prefer to believe that it is not serious and that we do not have to give up our gas guzzling cars. - Our own government is watering down the scientists' reports, even altering them to make the situation sound benign. - The US media is not delivering the news on climate science from from around the world that is telling us that the changes are happening as fast as the worst predictions. - China and India are thumbing their noses at us. They refuse to give up the opportunity to make mega profits from their masses by curtailing their industrial growth. - The American people ARE becoming aware that the Halliburtons and ExxonMobiles are in complete control of the US Government, and that the wishes of the people along with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are not in the thoughts of our elected leaders.

An excellent expose' of the Bush Administration's efforts at mis-informing the public by Tim Dickinson is published in the current issue of the Rolling Stone magazine. It tells in great detail the extent of their willingness to keep the truth away from us.(3)

From Emails made public by a recent FOIA request, the article in the Rolling Stone said the "industry-formulated disinformation campaign designed to actively mislead the American public on global warming and to forestall limits on climate polluters" was "sanctioned at the highest levels of our government, in a policy formulated by the vice president, implemented by the White House Council on Environmental Quality and enforced by none other than Karl Rove."

If the American people were informed about the severity of the future climate change they would be marching in the streets in the millions. But they are under-informed, misinformed, and they seem not to care that they are being led off a devastating cliff by the corporate world with the help of paid political hacks and a docile media.

Europeans are much more informed about the climate. Last year in England, 50,000 people marched in London in the largest ever demonstration against global warming. Even that, though, is not enough to bring about the changes needed.

There is a huge, slow moving monster approaching that is barely visible. And to make things twice as bad, the people are being kept in the dark by the energy industry and their despicable minions. Dr. Hansen told us we have ten years to start reducing CO2 emissions or the Earth will become "a different planet".

He said that three years ago.


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1) Why the recent Climate Report was so Harsh www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/04/09/18392772.php

2) Climate Change and trace gases, {full text] 6/19/07 www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/content/l3h462k7p4068780/fulltext.pdf

also: The Earth today stands in imminent peril http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2675747.ece

3) The Secret Campaign of President Bush's Administration To Deny Global Warming www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15148655/the_secret_campaign
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Source: www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/06/24/p17799

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June 24, 2007 By: Don Beck, No rights reserved. Please help by sending or posting this everywhere you can.

[sweet cheeks]

Rolling Stone magazine has devoted a sizable portion of their latest issue (on newsstands until June 28) to talking about the dangers we face relating to global warming. They've enlisted help from some heavy hitters, including media juggernaut and "environmentalist-in-chief" Al Gore, who's been making the rounds lately. In an interview with the mag (read it here, listen to it here), Al talks about the rising tide of support for the climate crisis, whether or not we've reached a tipping point, and how events like Live Earth can help his cause. One thing he said really resonated with TreeHugger; when asked if he believes we can be saved by Priuses and new lightbulbs, Gore said, "I agree that we're not going to solve this problem by buying Priuses and changing our light bulbs. But driving hybrids and choosing better technology is still important in two respects. First, it makes a small contribution to reducing CO2. And second, when people make changes in their own lives, they are much more likely to become part of a critical mass of public opinion and to support the bigger policy changes that are going to be needed to really solve the problem."

http://www.treehugger.com/culture_celebrity/


What big changes does the system have up its sleeve?

Depopulation, Baron, depopulation.....you should know this by now! "Old chap"! ;)

[baron von lotsov]

Check this out..

World switching on to a bright idea
AUSTRALIA'S plan to phase out the inefficient standard light bulb by 2010 is likely to be adopted by the European and Latin American trading blocs by the end of this year.

More.. (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/world-switching-on-to-a-bright-idea/2007/06/16/1181414613200.html)

Edit:BTW our environment minister Malcolm Turnbull is Australias wealthiest parliamentarian, (former?) Merchant Banker and a Rhodes Scholar, nothing to be concerned about..

Thanks for that.

So it is true that all elite think alike. Incredible, sounds like there could be a conspiracy.

[baron von lotsov]

Depopulation, Baron, depopulation.....you should know this by now! "Old chap"! ;)


Oh well, I was just testing.

Some people less aware can try to engage their brains. If you tell them depopulation, they will flip into denial mode. Maybe not on here but I also posed the same thing on a normal forum.

[king]

Rolling Stone magazine has devoted a sizable portion of their latest issue (on newsstands until June 28) to talking about the dangers we face relating to global warming. They've enlisted help from some heavy hitters, including media juggernaut and "environmentalist-in-chief" Al Gore, who's been making the rounds lately. In an interview with the mag (read it here, listen to it here), Al talks about the rising tide of support for the climate crisis, whether or not we've reached a tipping point, and how events like Live Earth can help his cause. One thing he said really resonated with TreeHugger; when asked if he believes we can be saved by Priuses and new lightbulbs, Gore said, "I agree that we're not going to solve this problem by buying Priuses and changing our light bulbs. But driving hybrids and choosing better technology is still important in two respects. First, it makes a small contribution to reducing CO2. And second, when people make changes in their own lives, they are much more likely to become part of a critical mass of public opinion and to support the bigger policy changes that are going to be needed to really solve the problem."

http://www.treehugger.com/culture_celebrity/


What big changes does the system have up its sleeve?

nothing new here for those who have their eyes wide open, same old trick is being pulled using usual methods.

but, many, many people will fall for it in a day and age when people do not even look up to see the chemical skies,
when they forgot what stars look like,
when they eat and drink poisons masqueraded as foods and drinks,
when they do not care for anyone but their miserable selfish selves,
when brainless cowards on the bottom of the pyramid
that support psychopathic elite love their role and are fighting to protect it -- what else is there to expect?

that Rolling Stone will tell the truth? That people will
pursue the truth? That love and common sense will prevail?

prisoners in Plato's cave will always be prisoners, as any of those who are afraid of light always were.

i can sense that majority of the population are in self induced comma, as an escape mechanism from insanity of the world.
instead of waking the fuck up -- they just keep perpetuating their own enslavement, therefore cementing their own demise.
</rant>

so, with that out of way <exhale> I will make a comment on bolded part of your question:


it is obvious to me that globalists are very careful not to give people any ideas that they, the people, can independently of government and with individual efforts be able to make the positive changes in global climate change.

so, that is why Al the greenhouse brain dead masonic cunt Blood and Gore is driving this issue into the direction so that the only solution is for people to "support the bigger policy changes that are going to be needed to really solve the problem."

have i gotten a passing grade?

[king]

Right, listen up people.

You know what I think of Greenpiece.

Well tonight a rare treat, the director of Greenpiece has spoken live on Worthy FM, the Glastonbury Festival radio station. He spoke in an undeniably homosexual voice as well, which made him sound even more of a cretin.

The interviewer asked this fagot about electric light bulbs and he said that it is a lot of hassle for Greenpiece to go round changing people's habits, so what he wants is for the government to pass laws on things like 'one must use a green light bulb'. This might sound trivial to you except bear in mind it was just an example.

Greenpiece want to make the government control your lives. He also pointed out the importance of Greenpiece brainwashing everyone and wanted everyone at the festival to pledge to do things like write to the government asking to be controlled by Greenpiece laws. I kid you not. The hype is on overdrive at the moment and Glastonbury Festival only had one kind of advert running through the entire programme, the 'I count' scheme to convert you into a global warming automaton.

exactly

they will start with 'changing a light bulb' and it will end up with changing and totally controlling the lives of all of the earth's people.

and, if globalist have it their way, the times will come when you will be arrested for using more energy than you should .
and when you are arrested -- your neighbours will cheer.

not a good future for humanity....

[synergy777]

first the moronic masses, well we come from them, and proior to becoming know it alls, which none of us are, well let he who be free of sin, cast the first stone, anyone?

secondly, rather than take the piss out of them, although they do ask for it, lol. is to amass a good set of data, real world poltical polices etc. these will have a better response, and are tangible to the public, they can realte, see it. it needs professional, intelliegnt, smart people/presentation. by maintaining this "ingroup of truthers" we not acheiving what we should be. see people might be asleep, thats because of misplaced trust/overwhelming fear, or a little bit of both. if people knew, started to wake up, they are hardly going to support a scruffy geek, or a grungy hippy type, they should not be that shallow, but they are. so do we stay stagnant, or do we evolve, we need to reach them, after all someone reached us, we did not get here solo.

at the end of the day being professional, means we be the bests, its about being smarter, more accurate etc than elite, its a good thing, beat them at their own game. not only but image is temporary, etc, we need to get the job done in the best way we can, that means us making changes aswell. we need multi skilled, team effort, like a corporation.

its just no one wiith major money has the soul, balls, brains to start one up, in oppostion to the nwo, they are all scared. not only do we have an uphill struggle, its a lonely struggle, but hey they are the best victories. think about, when this shit is over, we can say we were the first, we stood up when the rest didn't, bragging rights and free pints, lol and the rest like world peace, equality, unity, liberty, 1 love and all that.

[king]

first the moronic masses, well we come from them, and proior to becoming know it alls, which none of us are, well let he who be free of sin, cast the first stone, anyone?


moronic class of people are not those who do not know but those who do not want to know.
many of the awakened people here, my self included -- did not know, but we all wanted to know.
therefore, we are not the same as those who do not want to know.

what do you call those who refuse to face the truth when overwhelming evidence is all around them?
what do you call those who attack you because they do not want you to point out obvious deceptions?
what do you call those who are attacking you to protect the matrix system?

i call them idiots and morons.

it is one thing to be misinformed, yet totally different thing to be an ashore who is trying to shut you up because you speak the truth and they do not want to hear it.


.. it needs professional, intelliegnt, smart people/presentation.

right... so that they can tell you "yeah, things are bad ...there is nothing we can do."

and then when you tell them what could be done they will
switch over into "attack the massinger " mode

bottom line is -- you cannot awaken those who want to stay asleep.
period.
that is why it is such incredible job to awaken a human being.



by maintaining this "ingroup of truthers" we not acheiving what we should be. see people might be asleep, thats because of misplaced trust/overwhelming fear, or a little bit of both.


that and their own selfishness and cowardice.
they think that if they do not rock the boat -- shit will not hit their fan

if people knew, started to wake up, they are hardly going to support a scruffy geek, or a grungy hippy type, they should not be that shallow, but they are. so do we stay stagnant, or do we evolve, we need to reach them, after all someone reached us, we did not get here solo.

no one reached me. I reached to the universe by asking to be given answer, and universe provided millions ofanswers.
i was the one who was asking to learn the truth, who was ready for it.
but, if i was not ready for it -- the universe wouldn't be able to communicate with me.

in computer terms, i have to initiate the 'download' because universe respects my mind-firewall

at the end of the day being professional, means we be the bests, its about being smarter, more accurate etc than elite, its a good thing, beat them at their own game.


how can we beat psychopaths in their own game?

the only way to do so is to be unpredictable.
and to be unpredictable means that answers must be born in your own head and not shared on say internet where they can read what would you do if such and such would happen.

not only but image is temporary, etc, we need to get the job done in the best way we can, that means us making changes aswell. we need multi skilled, team effort, like a corporation.
and, all it takes is one government shill to take that "corporation" down

its just no one wiith major money has the soul, balls, brains to start one up, in oppostion to the nwo, they are all scared. not only do we have an uphill struggle, its a lonely struggle, but hey they are the best victories. think about, when this shit is over, we can say we were the first, we stood up when the rest didn't, bragging rights and free pints, lol and the rest like world peace, equality, unity, liberty, 1 love and all that.

bottom line is -- the elite is stupid for even trying to usurp natural laws of the universe by even attempting global takeover, so in a sense all of us who understand that are already smarter than the "elite" morons.

because only morons will try to do what cannot succeed
by worshiping Lucifer, the "light bringer", that is human intellect

so, that is why this attempt of global dominion by a few is destined to fail.
because, human intellect builds on ego and ego is what got us in trouble in first place

[baron von lotsov]

exactly

they will start with 'changing a light bulb' and it will end up with changing and totally controlling the lives of all of the earth's people.

and, if globalist have it their way, the times will come when you will be arrested for using more energy than you should .
and when you are arrested -- your neighbours will cheer.

not a good future for humanity....

Not only that but this!

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=885402007

[cheeb]

Yeah not the best analogy.......perhaps rather the changing that occurs from infant to adult.......

Why the anger?......hate is baggage IMO......if you want to see things that way fine....do so

.....does the universe take more than it gives?...when it is constantly expanding....changing and shifting, why does this happen? Is it part of a much greater plan that perhaps will never end?, and is there balance amongst the chaos and is it all happening for a reason?.....to bring changes....I like to see it as a great dance, and to dance you need to tune in to your partner.....balance, form, composure..the universe is like this IMO, exploding and imploding, creating and destroying in equal measure.....balance...we can observe what happens in our lifetimes and have knowledge of such things that stetch back thousands of years, is this all simply chaos without any end in site?, for no reason but discord, or is it eternally balanced on the grand scheme of things?..........if the universe were not in balance, and it was totally chaotic and entropic....without order than how are we still alive today?, how does the multiverse continue to exist without balance?...

..do animals on this planet take more than they need?....no....do animals go from one species to another wiping them from the face of the Earth with their wrath?....no....nature is in balance ....humans do destroy needlesly and hence are imbalanced...this is why balance is the key to discovering our divinity.....IMO.....

.....oh and for your information I've dedicated my life to helping others and this planet in whatever way I can so ease up on the 'at least I tried drama' we do what we can while we can.....

look at it as mumbo jumbo if you will, that's fine with me, it's just my opinion, take it or leave it........try to calm yourself first, and maybe thats the best way to contribute and to help.....change yourself and you will change the world.......

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

Alright, How do
No anger, no drama, I'm a laid back pacifist,witness to the world,

If you are referring to" at least I tried, goddamit, at least I tried"
That was a quote from "One flew over the cuckoos nest
When McMurphey tried but couldnt lift the faucet.
The Cheif eventually did and escaped the mental hospital.
I took it as a metaphor for the endurance of the human spirit

Balance_- maybe? -but the word I would use is equilibrium(continual flux)
means the same sort of thing I suppose though

It's a bit of a puzzle - the Universe, isn't it,
All that fine tuning going on it

Did you know that if the value of gravity was 0.0000001 to the power of10+/-
The universe would'nt be able to operate as it is

It seems the universal laws of attraction(gravity) and repulsion(atomic decay)
Are far too perfect to be an accident

But thats a question for philosophers and theologans to ponder?

Back down to planet Earth
If you put more energy into a system, the more you get out,
(Newtons 3rd law of thermo-dynamics)

I think we can do something
I would call it:

Alturism'
Empathy and
Truth

I see you have this in abundance
So why argue
We are both on the same wavelength,I think,
It's the fine tuning we have to concentrate on

Don't worry
Every little things gonna be alright

POE

pttb

[them]

Does anybody inside this thread know anything about carbon–air technology?

As an example

Existing carbon–air technology

Efforts to develop an electrochemical power source that can accept carbon directly as a fuel date back more than 100 years, the electrochemical oxidation of carbon having been studied and patented by Edison in 1891 and Jacques in 1896. Early attempts failed to produce a practical device owing to the poor power densities obtained and the fact that non-volatile impurities in the carbon built up in the electrolyte and poisoned the cell. Today the technology is generally being pursued as a fuel cell for stationary power generation, with the intention of fuelling the cells with pure carbon obtained from the decomposition of hydrocarbons. Bradley et al

[baron von lotsov]

How could that possibly work? Carbon is a stable element except for minute amounts of carbon 14. Reacting it with another chemical means that the other chemical needs to be unstable, such as having one too many or one two few electrons in the outer shell. The other chemical when reacting can cause the combined system to fall to a lower combined energy state thereby releasing energy in the process. However, this is because effectively the other chemical contains the potential energy difference and not carbon. Then of course you have more waste than you started with.

Conclusion: it sounds like junk science.

[viginti tres]

No anger, no drama, I'm a laid back pacifist,witness to the world,

If you are referring to" at least I tried, goddamit, at least I tried"
That was a quote from "One flew over the cuckoos nest
When McMurphey tried but couldnt lift the faucet.
The Cheif eventually did and escaped the mental hospital.
I took it as a metaphor for the endurance of the human spirit


Indeed....inaction is procrastination....


Balance_- maybe? -but the word I would use is equilibrium(continual flux)
means the same sort of thing I suppose though

Yes we are on the same page afterall.......I am just here to learn like everyone......


It's a bit of a puzzle - the Universe, isn't it,
All that fine tuning going on it

Did you know that if the value of gravity was 0.0000001 to the power of10+/-
The universe would'nt be able to operate as it is

It seems the universal laws of attraction(gravity) and repulsion(atomic decay)
Are far too perfect to be an accident

But thats a question for philosophers and theologans to ponder?


Indeed.....this is exactly what I was refering to.....like some sort of master plan, but like yourself I won't delve to much into this process of thought......I put my trust in my feelings these days.........


Back down to planet Earth
If you put more energy into a system, the more you get out,
(Newtons 3rd law of thermo-dynamics)

I think we can do something
I would call it:

Alturism'
Empathy and
Truth

I see you have this in abundance
So why argue
We are both on the same wavelength,I think,
It's the fine tuning we have to concentrate on


I agree 100% we each need to be as loving and kind as we can be, I apoligise for making assumptions that you are not in a state of balance.......... though read my posts again and you will find I never argue anymore.....I see it as wasted energy....I just elaborate on the posts I make for clarification these days.....I just like to come here to talk to all you wonderful people.....to learn.....to love.....and to grow as we all are (in one way or another)


Don't worry
Every little things gonna be alright


This is one thing I'm certain of.....all things happen for a reason......


POE

pttb


Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[sean]

Right, listen up people.

You know what I think of Greenpiece.

Well tonight a rare treat, the director of Greenpiece has spoken live on Worthy FM, the Glastonbury Festival radio station. He spoke in an undeniably homosexual voice as well, which made him sound even more of a cretin.

The interviewer asked this fagot about electric light bulbs and he said that it is a lot of hassle for Greenpiece to go round changing people's habits, so what he wants is for the government to pass laws on things like 'one must use a green light bulb'. This might sound trivial to you except bear in mind it was just an example.



I'm with you on the global warming swindle, Baron. Not sure why you need to vent your homophobia in here though?

[them]

How could that possibly work?

I'm not sure, still working through it to try & get an understanding of the material. It's not exactly an area I'm strong in.

Carbon is a stable element except for minute amounts of carbon 14. Reacting it with another chemical means that the other chemical needs to be unstable, such as having one too many or one two few electrons in the outer shell. The other chemical when reacting can cause the combined system to fall to a lower combined energy state thereby releasing energy in the process. However, this is because effectively the other chemical contains the potential energy difference and not carbon. Then of course you have more waste than you started with.

Conclusion: it sounds like junk science.

I will put up a few more quotes and if you're really interested, Baron, I'll send you the pdf rather then pasting it all through this thread.

1. Introduction

High energy density power sources are required by a number of branches of the UK armed forces, including special forces in remote theatres of operations and future infantry soldiers (to power electric and electronic war-fighting aids and unmanned micro-air vehicles). There is a demand for both small, man-portable devices as well as larger battery chargers, e.g. for forward support of batteries for the BOWMAN radio system. In addition, new low cost, high performance, thermal reserve batteries are also required for shells, missiles, ejector seats and emergency power. In all of these applications, increasing the energy density of the power source will extend mission duration and enhance operational effectiveness.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ELEC_BOWMAN_C4I_System_lg.jpg

Dstl has identified a high temperature electrochemical power source, operating on carbon as a fuel, which is capable of meeting the requirements of these demanding applications. It is applicable in two modes of operation: as a fuel cell, in which carbon is continuously supplied, or as a semi fuel cell, operating on a limited amount of resident carbon. Following a feasibility study at St. Andrews University, a 4-year programme of work between St. Andrews and Dstl to develop a 50 W, 500 Wh carbon–air semi fuel cell (CAFC) is underway. A semi fuel cell forms the initial focus of this programme because the technical hurdles required to achieve short-term operation are less.

The research so far has been targeted at determining the promise of a new concept and establishing the best electrolyte choice for the 50 W unit. There are no weight targets for the first demonstrator, but the theoretical specific energy of the fuel, based on the free energy of carbon oxidation, is 9100 Wh kg−1. For reasons that have been well documented [1], the efficiency of the cells and utilisation of the carbon, can be very high in direct carbon–air technology. This leads to the conclusion that a stack can be built, which can achieve a maximum fuel only specific energy of 7200 Wh kg−1. The ultimate challenge will be to engineer a system containing 30–40% of stored fuel for a device specific energy of around 2000–3000 Wh kg−1, a factor of 6–8 better than the best in-service primary batteries, and 20–30 times higher than the BOWMAN lithium-ion rechargeable.

[bigus_dickus]

what do you call those who refuse to face the truth when overwhelming evidence is all around them?
what do you call those who attack you because they do not want you to point out obvious deceptions?
what do you call those who are attacking you to protect the matrix system?

i call them idiots and morons.

i call them scared, but that's not what i want to say here, just a note. look at the etymology of these words:

moron (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=moron&searchmode=none)
1910, from Gk. (Attic) moron, neut. of moros "foolish, dull" (probably cognate with Skt. murah "idiotic;" L. morus "foolish" is a loan-word from Gk.). Adopted by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded with a technical definition "adult with a mental age between 8 and 12;" used as an insult since 1922 and subsequently dropped from technical use. Linnæus had introduced morisis "idiocy."

the greek word is moros (here mentioned as morus). it means not intelligent, stupid, but it also means baby!

so in greece, to say "baby", you say "moro".

hehe... all along that i've been saying "moro mou" (my baby) to my girlfriends, i was actually saying "my moron" and they have also.

that's what they (we) are. babies...

idiot (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=idiot&searchmode=none)
c.1300, "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning," from O.Fr. idiote "uneducated or ignorant person," from L. idiota "ordinary person, layman," in L.L. "uneducated or ignorant person," from Gk. idiotes "layman, person lacking professional skill," lit. "private person," used patronizingly for "ignorant person," from idios "one's own" (see idiom).

"Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." [Mark Twain, c.1882]

Idiot box "television set" is from 1959; idiot light "dashboard warning signal" is attested from 1968. Idiocy (1487) is perhaps modeled on prophet/prophecy.

the greek word idiot (idiotes) means "peasant", or a simpleton who doesn't take part in common affairs and lacks responsibility. the word has evolved to mean stupid.

i don't mean to be off topic, i post this because i think you may find it interesting.

[synergy777]

big good one, they are scared. what can they do, they have to continue in normal life, aswell as having to balance this stuff. personally i am pretty much plateued/stagnated, i will give it a break now, its just the same topics, artciles, data, nothing new, exciting anymore. i even started to look 2tuff eite, he is on the ball regarding vatican, one of the best imho. i just, i don't know, the tiem has come to wait and see, i think though, lilly/cruise had very important view on things, regarding the great flood. somethings keep bugging you, even though you have dismissed them, their oz/orange thread is remarkable. i think will take more laissez faire approach now, let the younger ones carry on with it. let the saviours come, we done our bit.

[baron von lotsov]

I'm with you on the global warming swindle, Baron. Not sure why you need to vent your homophobia in here though?

I'm not scared by it. Homophobia is a system brainwashing term.

The reason I mentioned it is because I have noticed a lot of elite are homosexual and I think it is something that is used to control them with, especially regarding blackmail and that sort of thing. How does it change their voice? It makes them sound so stupid.

[bigus_dickus]

the greek word idiot (idiotes) means "peasant", or a simpleton who doesn't take part in common affairs and lacks responsibility. the word has evolved to mean stupid.

correction.. the word has evolved in english to mean stupid, but idioti(e)s in modern greek means civilian, private individual.

[the festival spirit]

baron its nothing whatsoever to do with single parents, if men were men, there would no single parents. any fool can get a woman pregnant, a real man brings his children up. single parents, lo, baron you do yourself no favours bro. as for comparing them to the jews, again, jews like, evryother people on this planet are tools, to be used by the elite. i have some friends , white, from single parent families, and they are well rounded, well educated people, some are married, have wife, kids and are good members of society. me being indian, we rarely get single parent families, but since coming to england the frequency of single parents has risen. i think this is due to culture/social enginnering, as in pre 70's britain, the standard of manners, family etc was very high. in the last 30 plus years the people at tavistock have doen exceedingly well, i bet they had great bonuses.

FORGET IT MATE YOU ARE ONLY SMASHING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE PROVERBIAL BRICK WALL

you know

I only read your first line, tackle me or cross swords, see the rant room

[thedame]

People... this thread is veering off topic. Gay bashing, which is in effect what some of the baron's comments amount to, has simply got nothing to do with the original post. There's nothing in the guidelines which specifically this sort of chat, but I'd just say that it serves no purpose here. That's why I'm deleting that and synergy's posts... not because the sentiment may be distasteful to any ultra PC plebs, but because they are off topic and lead away from the truth seeking nature of this thread! Any more off-topicery and I will move this thread to the rant room

Feel free to email me about this...

thedame

[baron von lotsov]

People... this thread is veering off topic. Gay bashing, which is in effect what some of the baron's comments amount to, has simply got nothing to do with the original post. There's nothing in the guidelines which specifically this sort of chat, but I'd just say that it serves no purpose here. That's why I'm deleting that and synergy's posts... not because the sentiment may be distasteful to any ultra PC plebs, but because they are off topic and lead away from the truth seeking nature of this thread! Any more off-topicery and I will move this thread to the rant room

Feel free to email me about this...

thedame

I did suggest that another thread should be started. I just gave a quick reply to explain why I mentioned it. I'll be happy to reply on another thread to any accusations of 'gay bashing'.

[thedame]

okay.
I'm not detracting from the relevance of your statements about a substantial percentage of the elite being homosexual etc. I'm glad you can see this is off topic...

[james777]

WOW...I've had my hands tied with some other issues and have missed this thread completely. There is some truly fascinating ideas bouncing around here and I am just beginning to digest the info here.

I applaud you 'BARON', this is great debate!!

[james777]

People... this thread is veering off topic. Gay bashing, which is in effect what some of the baron's comments amount to, has simply got nothing to do with the original post. There's nothing in the guidelines which specifically this sort of chat, but I'd just say that it serves no purpose here. That's why I'm deleting that and synergy's posts... not because the sentiment may be distasteful to any ultra PC plebs, but because they are off topic and lead away from the truth seeking nature of this thread! Any more off-topicery and I will move this thread to the rant room

Feel free to email me about this...

thedame

Common 'thedame'. How can you conclude that 'free-speech and thought' is leading away from the truth seeking nature of this thread.

Perhaps they are merely gathering 'stones' to build the 'house'. Taking away 'free speech' because you deem it 'off-topic' is certainly not allowing others to 'expose the dreamworld we believe to be real'. Give them a chance to debate and tie in all conclusions to form a result instead of 'threatening' them with 'fear' of being moved to the 'rant' room or by deleting posts.

I know you are just doing your job, but do you actually believe in your actions or do you just do as you're told?

[them]

Link to one of WWF's fundraising reports. I'm not going to spell it out for you, browse it if you're interested.

http://www.wwf.org.hk/eng/pdf/maipo/awcf/Annual%20Report%202005-07.pdf

Another WWF report here on how they conceive water neutrality, again it's worth a browse if you're genuinely interested in how they progress strategy.

http://www.ramsar.org/forum/forum_wwf_water_neutrality2007.pdf

Baron would call the second link junk science, but if you read it carefully you'll notice that there isn't really any science at all :)

[baron von lotsov]

I notice their expenditure is denominated in Hong Kong dollars. Indeed Hong Kong acts as a banking department to pay the opium farmers where the currency is gold bars. In other words like Switzerland it is an Illuminati control centre and was not handed back to the Chinese!

[cruise4]

I just had a read of that other thread, channel 4, where you've been posting Baron. I must admit I admire your patience. That Deus Ex Machinehead, or whatever, was a right agent. Nothing of substance in anything he/she posted. That's the main problem with Green issues. They cannot stay on the subject nor can they abstain from unjustified personal attacks. Incredible really... 5 pages and no examination of the issues at all.

[baron von lotsov]

I just had a read of that other thread, channel 4, where you've been posting Baron. I must admit I admire your patience. That Deus Ex Machinehead, or whatever, was a right agent. Nothing of substance in anything he/she posted. That's the main problem with Green issues. They cannot stay on the subject nor can they abstain from unjustified personal attacks. Incredible really... 5 pages and no examination of the issues at all.


Ah that guy. Yes he amuses me. There is a history to it since he used to go on about global warming like he was an authority on the subject. We had it out, him and his PhD in geology testing me out on some physics. The thread was hilarious but quite fierce. I think the point that broke his confidence was when I started to go into the mathematics of chaos theory and strange attractors. He could not keep up and held out a white flag. Ever since then he has become far more muted on the issues when talking about science.

Essentially he is one of their mouthpieces and Ch 4 has a number of these. Each one has their own specialist subject. There is a Jew who is a practicing solicitor who always does the legal arguments; there are ones who are specialists in politics, Marxism, business and so on. What I have been doing is working on them and they still have their jobs but their opinions have drifted over time. The same with this guy.

[cruise4]

You haven't got a link to that thread have you? Sounds interesting.

[baron von lotsov]

Here it is.

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/4540053838/p/1

Actually I just realised that I posted the link on this thread at the same time. Was that the one you were referring to earlier?

[cruise4]

I'm not sure what you mean in the last post...

"We had it out, him and his PhD in geology testing me out on some physics. The thread was hilarious"

It was the link to this thread you mentioned I was after... for a laugh.

[baron von lotsov]

I'm not sure what you mean in the last post...

"We had it out, him and his PhD in geology testing me out on some physics. The thread was hilarious"

It was the link to this thread you mentioned I was after... for a laugh.

This thread was done at the same time as the thread on Ch 4 where we had this mad argument.

It starts at about the second page e.g.

"What in your eyes would you say qualifies to having a clue about science?"


Then he goes on to tell me his actual expertise is in measuring the erosion at the delta of a certain river and so on. This often happens with these sorts of people, they think they are invincible since they had their stamp of approval from the establishment. Each is given a small segment of establishment bullshit to defend. That is their job essentially. Tax funded of course!

[them]

More water information, there seems to be a bit of a Bee Under the Bonnet centered around water allocation at the moment..

Love their logo!

http://ewa.innercirclestudios.co.za/Header1.jpg

http://ewa.innercirclestudios.co.za/downloads.html

[baron von lotsov]

I think that sounds like you are onto something there. It's ton of bullshit in those papers but my impression is they want the global corporations to take over the third world's water supply and then use monopoly Capitalism to make sure they can't afford it. This links in with the GATT business I imagine.

[cruise4]

Its not a bad idea though having experts to handle a particular field. The trouble is its ALL so damn interesting. Wish we had a lawyer or banker here though.

Yes... water control is definately on the cards I think.

[baron von lotsov]

NO2ID is better organised. We have expert lawyers, police, cryptography, biometrics, politicians and indeed anyone we need. Even a fair few artists to do the fliers.

[cruise4]

I'd be interested in how that whole saga was pulled together. Are those people aware of the bigger NWO issues?

[baron von lotsov]

Some are but it is strictly single issue. This is one reason it has worked so well. We have a right mixed bunch from Socialists to BNP and everyone in between. What does mark it out is that it is what is known as 'informed' opposition. We put out some papers in the House of Lords enquiry the other day so we are getting right into the debate. Plus some of us know one or two things that give us the edge. e.g. the other day someone was telling us about what the banks do with their master records underneath a mountain. I imagine some have had high level security passes in the past and can only drop a few hints but it is enough.

Just look at its size now
http://www.no2id.net/localGroups/

[danucrom]

The strange thing is that most of the neohippys who push the manmade global warming/climate change fairytale will also inform you that they are against globalisation. They fail to see that they are helping the globalists reach their goals by calling for carbon taxes, population control etc.
These activists now prefer to use the term "climate change" rather than "global warming" as this term gives them two advantages:
1.It allows them to seize as “evidence” the inevitable occurrences of unusually cold weather as well as warm ones.
2.The climate is always changing, so they must be right.

[baron von lotsov]

Lack of education means they are easy to manipulate. All of those cosmic meditations have resulted in them inadvertently doing the system's bidding as you say. None have a clue about what is really going on, they are almost in a state of denial or at the very least complete confusion. Plus not only that but their cosmic mediations have been devised especially to get them to this state in the first place. If only they know but you can't tell them either.

Here, I have been doing a little research on one organisation but it didn't attract much interest. A lot of people seem a bit scared of the grass roots research. They would prefer to get it from some authoritive source and just parrot it on to the next person. They need to know how to check stuff themselves. This is the way out of the situation since the PTB will always devise new schemes, use new names, colour schemes and so on.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15164&highlight=start-up