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tusme
07-02-2009, 12:25 PM
...After “Routine” Microchip Implant Procedure

Grieving owner calls for an end to mandatory microchipping in Los Angeles

http://www.katherinealbrecht.com/images/stories/charlie%20brown%20003.jpg
A fluffy bundle of life, love, and enthusiasm named Charlie Brown was laid to rest last week, the victim of a microchip implant gone horribly wrong. The long-haired, purebred Chihuahua bled to death in the arms of his distraught owners, Lori and Ed Ginsberg of Agua Dulce, California, just hours after undergoing the controversial chipping procedure.

“I wasn’t in favor of getting Charlie chipped, but it was the law,” said Lori Ginsberg, citing a Los Angeles county ordinance that requires all dog owners to chip their dogs once they reach four months of age. Dog owners who refuse to comply face a $250 fine for the first offense and up to six months in jail for continued non-compliance. “This technology is supposedly so great until it’s your animal that dies,” she said. “I can’t believe Charlie is gone. I’m just beside myself.”

Dr. Reid Loken, the board certified veterinarian who performed the chipping, confirmed on Friday that Charlie died from blood loss associated with the microchip. He cited “an extreme amount of bleeding” from the “little hole in the skin where the [microchip implant] needle went in” as the cause of death. He said he was both saddened and puzzled by Charlie’s death...

Link... (http://waronyou.com/topics/dog-bleeds-to-death-after-routine-microchip-implant-procedure/)

cafetimes1991
07-02-2009, 12:38 PM
This angers me. I see my Springer Spaniel and really want to tell people about what's really happening in this world, because he could get microchipped just like that unfortunate dog. Rebel, everyone!

element
07-02-2009, 12:47 PM
Unfortunately, if you don't like such things, then you may aswell stop supporting vivisection.

If you take care of your dog, there's no reason for a chip.

tusme
07-02-2009, 12:48 PM
This angers me. I see my Springer Spaniel and really want to tell people about what's really happening in this world, because he could get microchipped just like that unfortunate dog. Rebel, everyone!
Hi Cafetimes...

Yep...poor mutts!! :mad:

Big picture though...our dogs are being used as "lab-rats"...only to perfect the system for the eventual use on us...!? :eek:

Cheers

tusme
07-02-2009, 12:51 PM
Unfortunately, if you don't like such things, then you may aswell stop supporting vivisection.

If you take care of your dog, there's no reason for a chip.
Hi Element,

Hmm, try telling that to the Law, when the One World Govt regulates for all of mankind to be implanted...!? :eek:

Cheers

comawhite015
07-02-2009, 12:53 PM
I'm not chipping my baby! :mad:

unusual_suspect
07-02-2009, 12:57 PM
Unfortunately, if you don't like such things, then you may aswell stop supporting vivisection.

If you take care of your dog, there's no reason for a chip.

Unfortunately, many pet owners are so brainwashed now that they consider chipping their pet to be a responsible thing to do.

tusme
07-02-2009, 01:05 PM
Unfortunately, many pet owners are so brainwashed now that they consider chipping their pet to be a responsible thing to do.
Hi Unusual_suspect,

Bingo...!! ;)

When they're ready, of-course, all thats needed then, would be a "good" P-R-S situation, and the entire populace might think it's "a responsible thing" to be microchipped... :eek:

Cheers

element
07-02-2009, 01:10 PM
Unfortunately, many pet owners are so brainwashed now that they consider chipping their pet to be a responsible thing to do.
Probably workaholics, who really don't have much time to take care of their pets.

unusual_suspect
07-02-2009, 01:53 PM
Probably workaholics, who really don't have much time to take care of their pets.

That's not even the case, my parents are retired and they have had their pedigree cats chipped, I think it is the considered the thing to do, almost like it is a sign that you really care for your pet and you are irresponsible if you don't have your dog or cat chipped. Probably has something to do with the vets pushing this. It will be your kids next!

januspolanski
07-02-2009, 03:31 PM
...After “Routine” Microchip Implant Procedure

Grieving owner calls for an end to mandatory microchipping in Los Angeles

http://www.katherinealbrecht.com/images/stories/charlie%20brown%20003.jpg
A fluffy bundle of life, love, and enthusiasm named Charlie Brown was laid to rest last week, the victim of a microchip implant gone horribly wrong. The long-haired, purebred Chihuahua bled to death in the arms of his distraught owners, Lori and Ed Ginsberg of Agua Dulce, California, just hours after undergoing the controversial chipping procedure.

“I wasn’t in favor of getting Charlie chipped, but it was the law,” said Lori Ginsberg, citing a Los Angeles county ordinance that requires all dog owners to chip their dogs once they reach four months of age. Dog owners who refuse to comply face a $250 fine for the first offense and up to six months in jail for continued non-compliance. “This technology is supposedly so great until it’s your animal that dies,” she said. “I can’t believe Charlie is gone. I’m just beside myself.”

Dr. Reid Loken, the board certified veterinarian who performed the chipping, confirmed on Friday that Charlie died from blood loss associated with the microchip. He cited “an extreme amount of bleeding” from the “little hole in the skin where the [microchip implant] needle went in” as the cause of death. He said he was both saddened and puzzled by Charlie’s death...

Link... (http://waronyou.com/topics/dog-bleeds-to-death-after-routine-microchip-implant-procedure/)

Wow this really REALLY makes me angry. I got a dog for the first time last summer and we took it to the vet they were going on about chipping it. This is in the UK. A while after that I got interested about topics that are discussed here and decided not to have my dog chipped thank God. Im hearing stories about dogs getting cancer related illness due to the chip or dying because of operations like this.

How can it be law to get this procedure done and even worse how can fines and jail sentences be handed out for non compliance. The worlds gone mad.

I bet the Queens beloved dogs arent chiped.

All I can say is if this happened to my beloved dog then people would get hurt and offending buildings would be burnt to the ground.

Poor dog and poor Lori Ginsberg, I feel your pain.

tusme
07-02-2009, 04:05 PM
Wow this really REALLY makes me angry. I got a dog for the first time last summer and we took it to the vet they were going on about chipping it. This is in the UK. A while after that I got interested about topics that are discussed here and decided not to have my dog chipped thank God. Im hearing stories about dogs getting cancer related illness due to the chip or dying because of operations like this.

How can it be law to get this procedure done and even worse how can fines and jail sentences be handed out for non compliance. The worlds gone mad.

I bet the Queens beloved dogs arent chiped.

All I can say is if this happened to my beloved dog then people would get hurt and offending buildings would be burnt to the ground.

Poor dog and poor Lori Ginsberg, I feel your pain.
Hi Januspolanski,

Hmm, not sure about "people getting hurt & burning offending buildings"...:D...your anger is quite justified though...!! :)

Cheers

miranda
07-02-2009, 04:23 PM
Cannot BELIEVE you can get up to 6 months in jail for not chipping your pet!

Tusme, I think you're absolutely right - they're practising on pets. It'll be us next, and all the same reasons given. To the extent that you won't be able to: shop, bank, go to school, college, uni, keep your own child if he/she isn't chipped - and all this will be seen to be your own fault, as you're clearly an anti-social, irresponsible drop out(!) Just wait for the PR campaigns to begin in earnest ... In the UK, it'll be: first the compulsory ID card, then the problems, then the chip. Ah - problem, reaction, solution strikes again ...

tusme
07-02-2009, 04:47 PM
Cannot BELIEVE you can get up to 6 months in jail for not chipping your pet!

Tusme, I think you're absolutely right - they're practising on pets. It'll be us next, and all the same reasons given. To the extent that you won't be able to: shop, bank, go to school, college, uni, keep your own child if he/she isn't chipped - and all this will be seen to be your own fault, as you're clearly an anti-social, irresponsible drop out(!) Just wait for the PR campaigns to begin in earnest ... In the UK, it'll be: first the compulsory ID card, then the problems, then the chip. Ah - problem, reaction, solution strikes again ...
Hi Miranda,

Hmm, there you go...!! :mad:

Nevermind 6 months, they'll have to kill me before I'll be microchipped...!!

Cheers

chris_com283
07-02-2009, 06:21 PM
This is disgusting. Why are they pushing something with such serious health risks associated with it (rhetorical question)? Thing is with chiping is that it's done with things like cars, packages and pets. You know things that are in your possession. Things you don't want to lose. So what's it saying when you're forced by your government to be chiped? Would we be the Government's possessions? I don't like where this is going.

tusme
07-02-2009, 06:44 PM
This is disgusting. Why are they pushing something with such serious health risks associated with it (rhetorical question)? Thing is with chiping is that it's done with things like cars, packages and pets. You know things that are in your possession. Things you don't want to lose. So what's it saying when you're forced by your government to be chiped? Would we be the Government's possessions? I don't like where this is going.
Yep!! It stinks...!!

januspolanski
07-02-2009, 06:45 PM
Hi Januspolanski,

Hmm, not sure about "people getting hurt & burning offending buildings"...:D...your anger is quite justified though...!! :)

Cheers

Hi Tusme,

I wouldnt go out and kill anyone of course but seriously if this shit happened to me and my dog then theres gonna be some very sorry people out there.

Every dog owner should read this.

tusme
07-02-2009, 06:49 PM
Hi Tusme,

I wouldnt go out and kill anyone of course but seriously if this shit happened to me and my dog then theres gonna be some very sorry people out there.

Every dog owner should read this.
:D...well, I sincerely hope it won't ever happen to you nor your dog...!? :)

Hmm, they'll probably think I'm a dog with this attitude...:D...but they ain't chipping this dog...!!

illuminati downfall
07-02-2009, 07:56 PM
Poor little dog. :( When a dog is accidentally killed it's sad enough, but this has me worried. If a dog can die from a microchip mishap, what about a human? There are now a growing number of chipped human beings already, and I have not yet heard of anyone dying from it. I worry though that like the dog, it's only a matter of time.

coco
07-02-2009, 10:50 PM
That's not even the case, my parents are retired and they have had their pedigree cats chipped, I think it is the considered the thing to do, almost like it is a sign that you really care for your pet and you are irresponsible if you don't have your dog or cat chipped. Probably has something to do with the vets pushing this. It will be your kids next!

They have been finger printing young children in the US for about ten or so years that I am aware of, maybe longer. There are annual affairs at malls and schools that are advertised on the radio and TV and newspapers. The explanation given is if your child is ever kidnapped they can identify it, one gets the idea that good parent would do such a thing. If you love your child and are a responsible parent you will do this.

Problem is, most kidnapped children are not found in an animated state (if you know what I mean). So the purpose is really for post mortum identification purposes. What good is that? By the time the remains are located fingerprints are quite useless, ergo, I do not believe the purpose promoted is the true purpose.

I can very easily believe human microchipping is not far off in the future. Many people who own horses have praised microchipping as if the horse is stolen, a vet can wave a device over the usually chipped area of the animal and determine if it is with it's true owner or not. Same with dogs and cats.

I can hear it now, 'Parents, get your child chipped in case they ever get lost or kidnapped; with this technology we can track the child before they kill it and save their life.' Good point and I think in the future there will be cases of just that but beyond the parent guilt forced on people for such a purpose, the true purpose will no different than tracking OUR movements/activities.

tusme
07-02-2009, 11:37 PM
Hmm...not only would microchips give them full control over our finances...being satellite tracked 24/7 would be fun, won't it...!! :eek: :)

januspolanski
08-02-2009, 12:23 PM
They have been finger printing young children in the US for about ten or so years that I am aware of, maybe longer. There are annual affairs at malls and schools that are advertised on the radio and TV and newspapers. The explanation given is if your child is ever kidnapped they can identify it, one gets the idea that good parent would do such a thing. If you love your child and are a responsible parent you will do this.

Problem is, most kidnapped children are not found in an animated state (if you know what I mean). So the purpose is really for post mortum identification purposes. What good is that? By the time the remains are located fingerprints are quite useless, ergo, I do not believe the purpose promoted is the true purpose.

I can very easily believe human microchipping is not far off in the future. Many people who own horses have praised microchipping as if the horse is stolen, a vet can wave a device over the usually chipped area of the animal and determine if it is with it's true owner or not. Same with dogs and cats.

I can hear it now, 'Parents, get your child chipped in case they ever get lost or kidnapped; with this technology we can track the child before they kill it and save their life.' Good point and I think in the future there will be cases of just that but beyond the parent guilt forced on people for such a purpose, the true purpose will no different than tracking OUR movements/activities.

+1

I was just talking to my polish friend and she said that its law in Poland to chip pets. I asked he why they do it and she couldnt really answer me. She mumbled something about pets getting lost, and I countered with "but how many pets get lost" she then goes on how she doesnt want to hear another one of my "stupid theories". Stupid sheeple sometimes I wonder if they dont deserve their enslavement.

Your absolutely right that its a pre step to fullblown human chipping. First the pets then it will be criminals and immigrants then children then us. Though everyone hauls round a needless mobile phone with them so we re already chipped in a way.

deafbred
08-02-2009, 12:39 PM
desensitized


my sister works at a vet place - she chipped her cat

i can't believe it

the poor kitten

it has changed psyche wise for some odd reason

seems depressed

maybe it needs a pill now to

i'v already given up on my family

they all hate me, and for good reason to, IM RIGHT

... and they can't stand it things are unraveling the way they are

so they take it out on me

it use to tear my heart out to think about my family being deceived

but now i accept it

if they are willing to do so

so be it

as long as i got my head and wits about me

im already ready to leave and head for the hills

bringing nothing with me. eat acorns of the trees.

i don't have time to mourn dead people, specially when they are alive

i just warn them when i can - sowing seeds here and there

but lately ... i don't talk to them anymore, AT ALL

im at peace no matter what - but these people.. gunna get a rude awakening if any

im completely apathetic to these types of people now- you have to be, to guard your own soul

but i still care, just not as openly as i did before, like a child express's perspective

they've all become defective

januspolanski
08-02-2009, 12:48 PM
desensitized


my sister works at a vet place - she chipped her cat

i can't believe it

the poor kitten

it has changed psyche wise for some odd reason

seems depressed

maybe it needs a pill now to

i'v already given up on my family

they all hate me, and for good reason to, IM RIGHT

... and they can't stand it things are unraveling the way they are

so they take it out on me

it use to tear my heart out to think about my family being deceived

but now i accept it

if they are willing to do so

so be it

as long as i got my head and wits about me

im already ready to leave and head for the hills

bringing nothing with me. eat acorns of the trees.

i don't have time to mourn dead people, specially when they are alive

i just warn them when i can - sowing seeds here and there

but lately ... i don't talk to them anymore, AT ALL

im at peace no matter what - but these people.. gunna get a rude awakening if any

im completely apathetic to these types of people now- you have to be, to guard your own soul

but i still care, just not as openly as i did before, like a child express's perspective

they've all become defective

+1

illuminati downfall
09-02-2009, 12:03 AM
+1

I was just talking to my polish friend and she said that its law in Poland to chip pets. I asked he why they do it and she couldnt really answer me. She mumbled something about pets getting lost, and I countered with "but how many pets get lost" she then goes on how she doesnt want to hear another one of my "stupid theories". Stupid sheeple sometimes I wonder if they dont deserve their enslavement.



I honestly feel that the laws starting to make microchipping of pets mandatory is simple a measure to begin to get people used to the idea. They want to make it seem so common and logical to be chipped. One day they will make it mandatory to have ourselves chipped to,and many will just accept it. After all, they will be desensitized to the idea. After everyone sees the "benefit" to chipping pets, it will seem ever more logic to do it for humans to. :(

pinkfreud
09-02-2009, 06:51 AM
may his soul rest in peace :(

meanwhile, i'm glad no one even knows about chipping pets here.

hahaha.

but i feel sorry for the pets in chip crazy nations... whatever may pass, i urge people not to chip their babies, no matter what the government tells you. i've read articles where dogs and cats have developed cancerous tumors after being implanted, and this news is, of course, never reported in the mainstream news outlets.

measle_weasel
13-02-2009, 06:32 AM
Dr. Reid Loken, the board certified veterinarian who performed the chipping, confirmed on Friday that Charlie died from blood loss associated with the microchip. He cited “an extreme amount of bleeding” from the “little hole in the skin where the [microchip implant] needle went in” as the cause of death. He said he was both saddened and puzzled by Charlie’s death...

What a goofball. He probably knows exactly what he did wrong, and wont say it.

tusme
13-02-2009, 09:42 AM
What a goofball. He probably knows exactly what he did wrong, and wont say it.
Hi Measle_weasel,

Hmm, hard to believe, bloodloss being the cause of death...!? :confused:

From a "big picture" perspective, however, the System/Law is an ass...!!

I bet, the authorities are watching developments very closely...co's, that might well happen to someone oneday, when RFID chips become regulatory...only difference is, the system/law will assume full control of that person's details & assets...regardless!! :eek: :)

Cheers

wakeupworld
18-02-2009, 02:04 PM
Poor beautiful dog. Pets are used as money making machines for the scamsters calling themselves vets.
Making micro-chipping for dogs compulsory by law is just a sick joke and a prime example of totalitarian tiptoe.

I sincerely hope before it all gets out of hand to the point where humans are micro-chipped as a matter of course that enough people have woken up and a situation arrives that too many pet owners fail to comply.

tusme
18-02-2009, 03:20 PM
Poor beautiful dog. Pets are used as money making machines for the scamsters calling themselves vets.
Making micro-chipping for dogs compulsory by law is just a sick joke and a prime example of totalitarian tiptoe.

I sincerely hope before it all gets out of hand to the point where humans are micro-chipped as a matter of course that enough people have woken up and a situation arrives that too many pet owners fail to comply.
Hmm, know what you mean Wakeupworld...!!

Those poor animals are already living the "nightmare"...!! :eek:

debs67gb
18-02-2009, 03:28 PM
i wont have have my kids or cats chipped no fuckin way - im sorry for yer loss op :)