Hurtful, angry, spiteful, people!!!

[zysin5]

-------------------Disclaimer---------------------
First let it be known.. I have no problem with moderate church going folks of all religions! I belive everyone has a right to find God in their own way.
Those who don't belive in a God, are welcome to belive what they wish!

We live in a time where groups of people still feel that the Bible is the absolute WORD of God.. And do not feel this book was written by men..

Granted you have every right to belive what you wish.. Yet why are these same people SOO hurtful and angry to anyone that doesnt belive in their ways?
I have tried to meet these people half way. But with no luck.. When will the time come that we can move on as a people together?

Why must they hold so many people back with such small ideas. That become such BIG deals..

Why can not people that belive in this stuff have love in their hearts for others. presay nothing BUT hate and fear!

They claim we all are born with sin.. And we are all sinners! All that fire and brimstone stuff.. Going to hell if you don't see it their way!!!

Why must I burn in hell forever just because I won't hate someone else for feeling another way than me?

I don't hate people who feel the bible is the absolute word of God.. Lord knows I have tried everything in my power to befriend them.. To help them.
And to show them how much hate they spread in this world..

They do not care! They only see what they have been taught since a young age.. And nothing will stand in their way..
They proclaim a WAR on those who do not belive..
They feel they are Warriors for GOD.. They want a WAR with those who do not belive as they belive..

Someday a time will come when we can shed such old ways..
A day will come when all those filled with such HATE will come to an end..

While I do not see this happening in my lifetime.. I hope that someday my grandchildren can just be who they are without being hurt and picked on by such Bullies!

Look at the past.. And how much has changed.. A black man now stands in office.. Working for the white devil! While things change.. Nothing changes all that much..
And evil still rules this world.. The good guys are the ones who wear black.
While the evils of this world run amuck!

And how many extream groups of absolute words of God types do we have?

Well theres more than just 1 group of these folks.

So since we have more than 1 group of people who belive their book was written by God itself.. Why would God write up so many different books?

Is God like some trickster God? An Evil spiteful God? Who loves to see its childrens fight and kill eachother?

No, I don't think thats what God wanted.. Yet its not Gods job to come here and figure this out.. This is a huge universe.. And we are not Gods only children.. God wanted us to figure this out for ourselfs..

And the time is comming soon.. When we must stand up to these bullies..
And say enough is enough..

While I would not empose my faith upon them.. I would not strike them down and tell them they must belive in my GOD..

However I would make a stand.. And tell them.. The time has come.. And you have hurt and killed so many people that the world has lost count..

Its time we stick up for ourselfs.. And stop these bullies from killing and hurting us all! So that we can move on as a human race!!

yet my problem is this.. I do not want to kill anyone.. Nor hurt anyone to get my point across..
How do you fight evil?
How do you fight something without attacking it.. Or hurting the people being blinded by such maddness?

I am open to suggestions.. As if you go to attack groups of people.. You inturn become as bad as them..
If you tell them what they should belive.. You become the very thing you set out to defeat..

And its how we have been trapped in this loop for soo fucking long!

How do we end their rain of maddness.. How do we stand up to a bully.. Without punching him in the face..Without doing the very things the bullies did to us..

How do you beat the bully without becomming the bully?

[bensonz]

-------------------Disclaimer---------------------
First let it be known.. I have no problem with moderate church going folks of all religions! I belive everyone has a right to find God in their own way.
Those who don't belive in a God, are welcome to belive what they wish!

We live in a time where groups of people still feel that the Bible is the absolute WORD of God.. And do not feel this book was written by men..

Granted you have every right to belive what you wish.. Yet why are these same people SOO hurtful and angry to anyone that doesnt belive in their ways?
I have tried to meet these people half way. But with no luck.. When will the time come that we can move on as a people together?

Why must they hold so many people back with such small ideas. That become such BIG deals..

Why can not people that belive in this stuff have love in their hearts for others. presay nothing BUT hate and fear!

They claim we all are born with sin.. And we are all sinners! All that fire and brimstone stuff.. Going to hell if you don't see it their way!!!

Why must I burn in hell forever just because I won't hate someone else for feeling another way than me?

I don't hate people who feel the bible is the absolute word of God.. Lord knows I have tried everything in my power to befriend them.. To help them.
And to show them how much hate they spread in this world..

They do not care! They only see what they have been taught since a young age.. And nothing will stand in their way..
They proclaim a WAR on those who do not belive..
They feel they are Warriors for GOD.. They want a WAR with those who do not belive as they belive..

Someday a time will come when we can shed such old ways..
A day will come when all those filled with such HATE will come to an end..

While I do not see this happening in my lifetime.. I hope that someday my grandchildren can just be who they are without being hurt and picked on by such Bullies!

Look at the past.. And how much has changed.. A black man now stands in office.. Working for the white devil! While things change.. Nothing changes all that much..
And evil still rules this world.. The good guys are the ones who wear black.
While the evils of this world run amuck!

And how many extream groups of absolute words of God types do we have?

Well theres more than just 1 group of these folks.

So since we have more than 1 group of people who belive their book was written by God itself.. Why would God write up so many different books?

Is God like some trickster God? An Evil spiteful God? Who loves to see its childrens fight and kill eachother?

No, I don't think thats what God wanted.. Yet its not Gods job to come here and figure this out.. This is a huge universe.. And we are not Gods only children.. God wanted us to figure this out for ourselfs..

And the time is comming soon.. When we must stand up to these bullies..
And say enough is enough..

While I would not empose my faith upon them.. I would not strike them down and tell them they must belive in my GOD..

However I would make a stand.. And tell them.. The time has come.. And you have hurt and killed so many people that the world has lost count..

Its time we stick up for ourselfs.. And stop these bullies from killing and hurting us all! So that we can move on as a human race!!

yet my problem is this.. I do not want to kill anyone.. Nor hurt anyone to get my point across..
How do you fight evil?
How do you fight something without attacking it.. Or hurting the people being blinded by such maddness?

I am open to suggestions.. As if you go to attack groups of people.. You inturn become as bad as them..
If you tell them what they should belive.. You become the very thing you set out to defeat..

And its how we have been trapped in this loop for soo fucking long!

How do we end their rain of maddness.. How do we stand up to a bully.. Without punching him in the face..Without doing the very things the bullies did to us..

How do you beat the bully without becomming the bully?


It cant be done brother, in order to save our grandchildren from these evil fucks, blood will have to be shed, come on, you know thats true. ID like them all just to go away too, but to prevent them killing us, well have to kill them.

The time will come when those pathetic belivers in the Saving Grace of The Lord Jesus Christ will be raptured out of the world. Those very people who have been holding back the progress of mankind will be gone forever, in fact the holy spirit (correction: evil spirit) of their god will be removed along with them. (and dont get me started on their war mongering god,I mean have you read the old testament? He just cant stop killing people, fuck he even wipped out the whole world in a flood) And any fool left behind after the rapture who decides to figure "Um uh oh" maybe they might have been right, will be beheaded, to make sure it doesnt happen again. So dont worry about it, it's all going to be taken care of. All in good time. We'll be all shot of the bastards once and for all. I say kill the war mongering fuckers right now - lets start up a "dobb in a christain thread", what do ya reckon? We can start up a division of specail troops to deal with it. Hey yeah just like that bloke with the funny mustache, what was his name again? (Charlie Chaplin, that's it) We can call it the final final solution. Fucken excellent post bro, youve really got my juices flowing. I agree those fucken bullying bastards. I mean Jesus Christ, where the fuck do they get off eh?

Hey just to let you know I practise what I preach, this Christian bloke knocked on my door the other night, in the middle of a porno I was watching, he had the audacity to tell me that if I belived in Jesus that I would be saved, so I kicked his fucken teeth in.

Peace love and mong beans.

[comawhite015]

Word, zysin. I feel you. But people will do what they like. Let them be fanatical if they want. You can't change it. Some people just don't like logic.

It's sad, but true.

Now all you need to do is wait for your name to be embolded.. like.. zysin.. someone will do it. Just wait ;)

[armoured_amazon]

I read the first sentence or two and then filled in the blanks. Another non-Christian whining about being hard done by.

It's really, really odd...all the complete shitbags I know are NON-Christians. Go figure!

Maybe it's the way the world is balanced, hmm?

[comawhite015]

I read the first sentence or two and then filled in the blanks. Another non-Christian whining about being hard done by.

It's really, really odd...all the complete shitbags I know are NON-Christians. Go figure!

Maybe it's the way the world is balanced, hmm?

Most likely.

I guess the point is the same as with any fanatic. Anyone who .. angrily tries to push anything on anyone without being asked automatically becomes an asshole, in my view.

Just my two cents.

Especially certain people who talk in threads about the love of Jesus, and then send me private messages saying they live in the same city as me, threatening to 'bash my fucking head in'.

Doesn't exactly convince me of their goodness, know wha'I mean? :)

[armoured_amazon]

Most likely.

I guess the point is the same as with any fanatic. Anyone who .. angrily tries to push anything on anyone without being asked automatically becomes an asshole, in my view.

Just my two cents.

Especially certain people who talk in threads about the love of Jesus, and then send me private messages saying they live in the same city as me, threatening to 'bash my fucking head in'.

Doesn't exactly convince me of their goodness, know wha'I mean? :)

Haha, yeah I know what you mean. Like when I was auditioning musicians for my band, the Jews were happy, the Muslims, the non-believers...but the atheist was the one who refused to join when she discovered I practised my faith. Wtf? More separatist and militant than any of the so-called religious players. A lot of people who don't believe in creationism are not atheists, I discovered. They do be skeery angry!!! :eek:

[comawhite015]

Haha, yeah I know what you mean. Like when I was auditioning musicians for my band, the Jews were happy, the Muslims, the non-believers...but the atheist was the one who refused to join when she discovered I practised my faith. Wtf? More separatist and militant than any of the so-called religious players. A lot of people who don't believe in creationism are not atheists, I discovered. They do be skeery angry!!! :eek:

Atheists can be as bone-headed as any fanatic. Cuz they are, really. It's just a level of stubbornness, fear, and refusal to get out of your safe little box.. I can understand, though. Once you become entrenched in any belief system, ESPECIALLY if you are a convert, ie. Atheist to any organised religion, or religious person who has lost their faith, you can be absolutely *immovable*. Cuz it's scary!

It's a pain in the ass to deal with, though :P heh.

I'm in the middle. I don't know what there is, because I don't think I could ever presume to understand 'God'.. It seems too big. But I believe in some kind of cosmic force. And whatever it is, I'm pretty sure it's intrinsically good =)

[armoured_amazon]

Atheists can be as bone-headed as any fanatic. Cuz they are, really. It's just a level of stubbornness, fear, and refusal to get out of your safe little box.. I can understand, though. Once you become entrenched in any belief system, ESPECIALLY if you are a convert, ie. Atheist to any organised religion, or religious person who has lost their faith, you can be absolutely *immovable*. Cuz it's scary!

It's a pain in the ass to deal with, though :P heh.

Fortunately I found a better bass player, heh. I don't have a clue what he believes in, just that he plays great! :)

[comawhite015]

Fortunately I found a better bass player, heh. I don't have a clue what he believes in, just that he plays great! :)

Brilliant. *Really* good bass players are hard to come by.

[armoured_amazon]

Brilliant. *Really* good bass players are hard to come by.

Yeah, guitarists are ten a penny but getting bassists and drummers worth their salt is always a mission.

*derailed thread* :o

Continue!

[comawhite015]

And I would do it again, you enjoy insighting people to get a reaction, and you got one from me. Now shut your cum cave. I might be a door step, im not a door matt. Oh are still upset about that, good fucken job. I hopes its stopped you from dishing out so much shit to people. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THIS LOVELY CHRISTIAN WOMAN AND STICK YOUR TWO SENSE UP YOUR ARSE

I was perfectly respectful. Let's not start this crap again.

[phildee3]

How do you beat the bully without becomming the bully?



"...it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth,' but I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also, and if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy,' but I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." [Matthew ch. 5]

"...if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head" [Romans 12:20]

Obviously, those people that you're talking about are not Christians; they only claim to be.
These are some of the most essential of Christ's teachings.


Oh, and you're not going to burn in hell for eternity.
You'll just keep coming back until you've had enough and decide to take the real Christian path of unconditional love.

[lottie]

Please do not resort to personal attacks on this thread!

[tusme]

So that we can move on as a human race!!

yet my problem is this.. I do not want to kill anyone.. Nor hurt anyone to get my point across..
How do you fight evil?
How do you fight something without attacking it.. Or hurting the people being blinded by such maddness?

I am open to suggestions.. As if you go to attack groups of people.. You inturn become as bad as them..
If you tell them what they should belive.. You become the very thing you set out to defeat..

And its how we have been trapped in this loop for soo fucking long!

How do we end their rain of maddness.. How do we stand up to a bully.. Without punching him in the face..Without doing the very things the bullies did to us..

How do you beat the bully without becomming the bully?
Hi Zysin5,

Good post...!!

Only way to move on as a Human Race and exist in Love and Happiness, is, by us all being and knowing Truth...which exists within us all...!!

You "fight evil" with Truth, it gives them an opportunity to the same Love and Happiness...and Truth, of-course!!

Offering Truth can never be considered an attack...thus, neither be hurtful...!!

The consequence of Truth is (unconditional) Love, Peace, Freedom, Happiness and Infinite Possibility...!!

There is nothing you nor they, should believe about Truth...merely know and be that Truth, which existed long before they even entered this Physical realm...

Forget about "beating the bully"...instead, help the bully understand their Truth...that they're merely playing host to a negative energy...and that, it's within their control to stop being that host...and be and know the Infinite Truth Energy which resides in them too...!!

Good luck!!

Cheers

[phildee3]

Only way to move on as a Human Race and exist in Love and Happiness, is, by us all being and knowing Truth...which exists within us all...!!

You "fight evil" with Truth, it gives them an opportunity to the same Love and Happiness...and Truth, of-course!!

Offering Truth can never be considered an attack...thus, neither be hurtful...!!

The consequence of Truth is (unconditional) Love, Peace, Freedom, Happiness and Infinite Possibility...!!

There is nothing you nor they, should believe about Truth...merely know and be that Truth, which existed long before they even entered this Physical realm...

Forget about "beating the bully"...instead, help the bully understand their Truth...that they're merely playing host to a negative energy...and that, it's within their control to stop being that host...and be and know the Infinite Truth Energy which resides in them too...!!




This is very similar to my response, just the other way around (truth results in love rather than love results in truth).

The trouble with this approach is that it involves trying to change them ("help the bully understand...") which people, inevitably, tend to resist.
With my approach, you don't expect anything from them. You only give something to them, - which really does their heads in!

Try both ways.
Whatever works.

[themime]

"...it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth,' but I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also, and if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy,' but I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." [Matthew ch. 5]



Quite I've even seen some BMW drivers return the favour to others after I've let them into a traffic jam.

'nuff said.

[tusme]

This is very similar to my response, just the other way around (truth results in love rather than love results in truth).

The trouble with this approach is that it involves trying to change them ("help the bully understand...") which people, inevitably, tend to resist.
With my approach, you don't expect anything from them. You only give something to them, - which really does their heads in!

Try both ways.
Whatever works.
Hi Phildee3,

Well, neither approach would be "wrong"... :)

Problem is, as a bully's nature goes, they can be abusive even to the love being offered to them... Also, in some cases, bullies already know "love"...well, at least they know how to love the people that they care about...!!

In the case of Truth, however, even the minutest amount of Truth offered, could manifest itself into something really amazing...the aim, to offer the Truth and step away...and let Truth itself work it's magic...!! :D

Thing is, Truth cannot be abused...and, where there is Truth, there is no fear...!! Thus, even if a bully were present, such an environment would not be particularly suitable for a bully to enjoy him/herself in...

Most importantly, Truth is the most powerful energy in all dimensions/realms...and indeed, it has it's very own Truth Dimension (somewhere within the Spiritual (Truth) Realm), where absolutely every vibrational energy (truth or not, human or not) has to pass through...!!

Therefore, in the case of a bully being offered the Truth (energy, and after stepping away), the Truth Dimension will know exactly to what extend that bully has opened him/herself to their own Spiritual Truth, and thus, the communication channels between the 2 (Truth Energy entities)will be ready to engage...and so, a bully will be transformed with a new Truth and also a new outlook to life...without ever again, having to employ bullying tactics... :)

Hope that made sense...!?

But yes, you are right in saying..."try both ways, whichever works"!! I'm happy with that conclusion... ;) :D

Cheers

[zysin5]

Thanks everyone for bringing to light some thoughts to my issues..
Its good to know that some people feel my pain, and are at the same cross roads I am facing..
Im not calling out any one faith.. Im speaking in general.. Im talking about extreamists.. People like Fred Phelps.. And people like them..
I don't need quoted on any bible statments.. Thanks..

But those who where kind and open minded know who you are.. To those bible thumpers who wish to give me some off landish advice about comming back till I get it right.. Thanks again.. But I simply ignore that banther..
Ive heard it all.. And far to many times..
A time will come, maybe not in my lifetime.. but someday man will shed such bullocks, fear, based hate to mankind

As much as I do not want to kill, or hurt anyone to change this world.. Thats where it is leading huh?

Well I suppose I will just allow them to strike me down! I would rather die a pure soul.. Then have to sink to their level and strike back at them with the same level of hate they have in their hearts for me..

Hence I will keep on trying, and keep on learning.. Soon I feel I will find an answer to this in a non hateful way..

As I pointed out.. Once you fight them back with the same hate they send.. They win.. And it validates them 100% if a person like me would hurt or God forbid even kill one..

No I feel more like Obi Wan.. Strike me down.. And I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine!!

----- Np on derailing this post.. its deep and is hard to find answers..
Im an artist and musican myself!! I play guitar.. Bass, and keyboards.. I sing a little bit.. The band I use to play for was Called Blessed Virgin Larry.
Our CD name.. Was called.. Hung like Jesus! :D

Then I played with a better known band called Genitourters! I played keyboards and did stage prop stuff with them.. Good times man good times!

When all else fails.. I fall back to my music! As that makes the evils of the world seem to go away for a short time.. And I can speak my heart threw my music!! Many are listening..!
And I thank you for all your thoughts and replies!!!:cool:

As those who make personal attacks in this thread shall be exposed for who you are underneath it all!
Those who can find nothing but hate in their heart for others who know the truth, shall be exposed..
And take it for what it is..
NO matter what you say to me.. Or how much you threaten me.. You will not get a rise out of me.. IT does not work on me.. And that will burn you up even more.. Knowing you have no power over me!

Peace and love for all.. Even those who hate me..
Zy5

[phildee3]

To those bible thumpers who wish to give me some off landish advice about comming back till I get it right.. Thanks again.. But I simply ignore that banther..
Ive heard it all.. And far to many times..
A time will come, maybe not in my lifetime.. but someday man will shed such bullocks, fear, based hate to mankind



Sorry you didn't like my contribution, but there was absolutely no hate, anger or spite behind it.

Take it or leave it.
Either I'm right or wrong.
Time will tell.

Peace, and love, to you.

[bensonz]

As much as I do not want to kill, or hurt anyone to change this world.. Thats where it is leading huh?

As those who make personal attacks in this thread shall be exposed for who you are underneath it all!


Peace and love for all.. Even those who hate me.. My Band Hung Like Jesus
Zy5

yeah those bible thumping fuckers hang them, all like jesus

[octopusrex]

Hi Phildee3,

Well, neither approach would be "wrong"... :)

Problem is, as a bully's nature goes, they can be abusive even to the love being offered to them... Also, in some cases, bullies already know "love"...well, at least they know how to love the people that they care about...!!

In the case of Truth, however, even the minutest amount of Truth offered, could manifest itself into something really amazing...the aim, to offer the Truth and step away...and let Truth itself work it's magic...!! :D

Thing is, Truth cannot be abused...and, where there is Truth, there is no fear...!! Thus, even if a bully were present, such an environment would not be particularly suitable for a bully to enjoy him/herself in...

Most importantly, Truth is the most powerful energy in all dimensions/realms...and indeed, it has it's very own Truth Dimension (somewhere within the Spiritual (Truth) Realm), where absolutely every vibrational energy (truth or not, human or not) has to pass through...!!

Therefore, in the case of a bully being offered the Truth (energy, and after stepping away), the Truth Dimension will know exactly to what extend that bully has opened him/herself to their own Spiritual Truth, and thus, the communication channels between the 2 (Truth Energy entities)will be ready to engage...and so, a bully will be transformed with a new Truth and also a new outlook to life...without ever again, having to employ bullying tactics... :)

Hope that made sense...!?

But yes, you are right in saying..."try both ways, whichever works"!! I'm happy with that conclusion... ;) :D

Cheers

Ditto.

[quetzalcoatl]

LOL! Band called ‘Hung Like Jesus’.. :D Tis a Love/Hate obsession 2000 years old.. Least it ain’t ‘Hanged Like Jesus’.. that would be hard-core.. :rolleyes:

BTW - the ONE & Only Answer is CHRIST! :)

[phildee3]

Ditto.



Wow!

Unity in diversity?

Tolerence, acceptance?

Wow!

[quetzalcoatl]

BTW - the ONE & Only Answer is CHRIST!

Basically - it’s near impossible to miss.. For reasons best known only to the Mormons.. :rolleyes:

[bensonz]

LOL! Band called ‘Hung Like Jesus’.. :D Tis a Love/Hate obsession 2000 years old.. Least it ain’t ‘Hanged Like Jesus’.. that would be hard-core.. :rolleyes:

BTW - the ONE & Only Answer is CHRIST! :)


The storm troopers are comeing.

[phildee3]

BTW - the ONE & Only Answer is CHRIST!


Sorry, I missed it.
What was the question?

[quetzalcoatl]

Sorry, I missed it.
What was the question?

Read the fuckin OP FFS! :rolleyes:

[quetzalcoatl]

Isn't that always the way.. the 'answer' being not quite in ya immediate 'prerogatives'.. :p

Is it so hard to piece together?

[phildee3]

Read the fuckin OP FFS! :rolleyes:



"Christ" is not an answer to any of those questions.

Christ offers an answer, but that has been rejected by the original poster.

[quetzalcoatl]

"Christ" is not an answer to any of those questions.

Christ offers an answer, but that has been rejected by the original poster.

Read above..

[phildee3]

Isn't that always the way.. the 'answer' being not quite in ya immediate 'prerogatives'.. :p

Is it so hard to piece together?



Read my post no. 12 FFS! :rolleyes:

[quetzalcoatl]

Read my post no. 12 FFS! :rolleyes:

WTF about it dude?

I agree with it.. It 'WAS SAID' etc.. Christ was our last messenger.. the dude abides. :)

[phildee3]

WTF about it dude?

I agree with it.. It 'WAS SAID' etc.. Christ was our last messenger.. the dude abides. :)



What about it??

FFS!!!

It's the message that is the answer, not the messenger.

Don't you understand, it's your dammned prostletising that causes people like the OP to reject both!!

[quetzalcoatl]

What about it??

FFS!!!

It's the message that is the answer, not the messenger.

Don't you understand, it's your dammned prostletising that causes people like the OP to reject both!!

OMFG! :rolleyes: Well of-course meat-head.. :p We peeled the messenger back already.. (before ya split that hair not you personally responsible) alas He is gone! :mad:

It's the same fuckin thing dude! I've always said it's the message that's important.. waste of time! :rolleyes:

That's exactly what I mean when I say Christ is the way or the answer is Christ or DO WOT CHRIST SAID.. what else is there? how else could he help us en mass.. CHRIST ALMIGHTY! :D

[phildee3]

That's exactly what I mean when I say Christ is the way or the answer is Christ or DO WOT CHRIST SAID..



What he said was, "let your yea be yea, and your nay be nay."

In other words:
Say what you mean!!

[quetzalcoatl]

What he said was, "let your yea be yea, and your nay be nay."

In other words:
Say what you mean!!

Seriously, what did you think I meant tho?

He's still THE ANSWER! which-ever way ya look @ it.. :p

[quetzalcoatl]

What he said was, "let your yea be yea, and your nay be nay."

In other words:
Say what you mean!!

Or don't fuck cunts about maybe? like say nay - but mean yea & vice versa. ;)

[phildee3]

Seriously, what did you think I meant tho?

He's still THE ANSWER! which-ever way ya look @ it.. :p



It's not what I think that's relevent but what the OP thinks.

[quetzalcoatl]

It's not what I think that's relevent but what the OP thinks.

I agree.. I'm just responding to your inquires.. which you apparently can't pay me the same courtesy.. IE - WOT DID YOU THINK I MEANT BY SAYING CHRIST IS THE ANSWER?

OP has already expressed concern about religious types (I'm personally not religious in the conventional sense) being pushy & 'high-horsey like'.. so I'm not forcing anything I was just getting a grossly generalized point across.. they were more than welcome to investigate further, take it or leave it.. BIGGEST PICTURE.. it really matters not.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

[phildee3]

I'm just responding to your inquires.. which you apparently can't pay me the same courtesy..



I have made one "inquiry" -
in message no.26.

There is nothing courteous about your posts which begin at no.27.

[quetzalcoatl]

I have made one "inquiry" -
in message no.26.

There is nothing courteous about your posts, which begin at no.27.

Oh please.. don't think about it too much! Tis just a few harsh words obviously not directed straight @ ya as an attack.. grow some skin man!

I thought it was rather courteous to an obvious 'fight picking like' question "So what is the question"? - Courteous because I've strived to be straight & answer you truthfully.. how'd ya feel if I didn't answer & just said 'well it only matters wot the OP thinks'.. :rolleyes: Please grow up..

Just tell me wot you were getting @? What could you have possibly thought that was so contradictory to your own stance that warrented "So wots the question"? - You can't answer because I'm probably right eh? - you were just baiting for anguments..

[zysin5]

Greetings phildee3! No this was not directed at you personally.. If you want to belive what you belive thats fine.. I get the feeling, you are not one to feel the bible is the ABSOLUTE word of God.

While the Bible was written by men.. I do feel it has a good structure to sway people into a good lifestyle. Such as don't kill anyone.. don't Steal..
Be good to the person who lives next to you..

Theres plenty of good things in the bible.. Yet all of it was written by the hand of man. To instill fear.. To create law and order in an otherwise orderless soceity. At one time people needed things like the bible to tell them how to be "good" people.

Yet in this day and age, its comman sense. I would have thought in this day and age people would see.. That a book was written by men.. And not by some GRAND fatherly figure..

As when people speak of God they tend to say HIM.. Why? Is god a Man?
Is god a woman? I don't have those answer.. And I would not be as arrogent to say I know what God wants..

I do not know what God is.. But I do know what God is not.

And people still cling onto such old ways that are doing more harm than good.

I know plenty of Moderate church going folk.. They help people out.. They give food and shelter to those with less..
Its a good thing...

Yet there are those who still use religion as a tool to gain money and power.
And force their ways upon all of us.
And preachers getting up and saying.. God spoke to me.. God told me this is what HE wants.. To them, God is some fatherly figure.. Damning all those who don't belive the man who said God said so!

Its Sooo childish! And when all is said and done.. No one will be punished.. No one will be praised.. It just is..

Such as the big electron!! Wahhh wahhhh! Holds no judgement.. It just is.
So I thank you for being with me for this little amount of time..
I hope in some way I have helped..
But if I have not its understandable.. And I dont hold it against you.

As those who spew.. Kill them.. hate jesus, love Jesus.. It only exposes you for who you are under it all!

PS== The band CD.. Hung like Jesus.. HAd more to do with the size of his dick. And not being killed of hanged..
See.. Thats all part of this world. One person reads something, and only sees what they want to see..
It had nothing to do with hurting anyone.. Only the size of his cock..
Hung like jesus.. He had big balls, and a big one!!! Get it?

[phildee3]

Just tell me wot you were getting @? What could you have possibly thought that was so contradictory to your own stance that warrented "So wots the question"?



"Jesus is the answer" is a bullshit, evangi-fundamentalist cliche which does nothing but strengthen the anti-Christian position, -
understandably so.

You are the one who needs to grow up, start practicing what he preached and stop promoting guru worship!!!

[quetzalcoatl]

"Jesus is the answer" is a bullshit, evangi-fundamentalist cliche which does nothing but strengthen the anti-Christian position, -
understandably so.

You are the one who needs to grow up, start practicing what he preached and stop promoting guru worship!!!

Get fucking real mate.. I aint promoting nothing.. I have no vested interests either-way.. I don't give a fuck if people are attracted or repelled.. it aint a soul winning mission for me! :rolleyes: How insecures are you? - if the OP was curious they could have ojected or inquired.. It's all out there anyway.. it's the no.1 selling book, it's easily referenceable online.. (inc gnostics gospels) No-one trying to reverse psychology you or the OP.. SERIOUSLY!!! :mad: Most people know some Bible already.. & if they're curious enough to study more then it's readily available.. & if people don't 'get it' by now, then all the dissing it or promoting it wont make a difference.. & ALSO, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER THAT MUCH!!! No-Ones going to be 'Short-Changed'... GET REAL! :rolleyes:

My God.. promoting guru worship.. I obviously got an agenda eh? :rolleyes:

Wot a fuckin joke.. you have no clue.. This is paranoid rambling all taken for a simple TRUTH I STATED THAT CHRIST IS THE ANSWER.. :rolleyes: Get real buddy..

Go harrass someone else.. :mad:

[phildee3]

Yes, zysin, I got it the first time I saw it.
I find it neither offensive nor very funny.
Not really worth commenting on, frankly.


Anyway, I think you are closer to understanding than you think you are.
the only thing you have wrong, imo, is that the "bible was written to instill fear."
The bible wasn't written, it was compiled and edited to instill fear.
The original scriptures that it was compiled from were genuine attempts to channel divine wisdom, and to some extent they succeeded.



And preachers getting up and saying.. God spoke to me.. God told me this is what HE wants.. To them, God is some fatherly figure.. Damning all those who don't belive the man who said God said so!

Its Sooo childish! And when all is said and done.. No one will be punished.. No one will be praised.. It just is..



Yes, this is all bollocks!
God just is.
We determine our own fate.
God doesn't speak, doesn't want
and is androgynous.

It is our source from which we came and to which we shall return.

You do know what God is because your innermost, higher self is God.
Our mission is to overcome our amnesia.

[quetzalcoatl]

This is my chance to escape! :D

[phildee3]

This is my chance to escape! :D



One can never escape from the trap that they set themselves,

except through the sacrament of penance.

[quetzalcoatl]

One can never escape from the trap that they set themselves,

except through the sacrament of penance.

Thought I'd give it a minute.. surprise surprise.. Mr high & mighty, he whom never sins strikes again.. Pretty sure I told ya to go harass someone else! :p

Why don't ya chat wif zysin5.. I've had enough of ya silly games.. :mad:

Get it now?

[tusme]

:D Hmm, be honest, you 2 can't get enough of each other...!? :D

[quetzalcoatl]

:D Hmm, be honest, you 2 can't get enough of each other...!? :D

LOL! it must be Love! :rolleyes:

Edit: In a non-gay way of-course!

[phildee3]

Mr high & mighty, he whom never sins strikes again.



Now why would someone who never sins be a penitant? :confused:

[octopusrex]

BTW - the ONE & Only Answer is CHRIST!

Basically - it’s near impossible to miss.. For reasons best known only to the Mormons.. :rolleyes:


JC only gave folks 2 rules after all. Easy to remember. Strong message. Easy sell.

[oiram]

How do you beat the bully without becoming the bully?

I know exactly what you are talking about.
That's the question logical smart people asking them selfs.
Actually this is there way to get more followers.
They intimidate others until you become like them because they hate who they are.
By having more of them they believe they have friends but in reality they again hate each other!

Yes Religion in many ways is a hate creating machine & has absolutely nothing to do with God.
But they will not see it because they hate the truth & love the dumb lies.

I only have one option we have to totally ignore them.
Don't speak to them don't have any business with them simply just do absolutely nothing with them.
Turn your back to them every time they try to start something; because to start something is there hobby.
They hate it I know; because they hate them selfs in reality.

They follow because they have no real friends it's all just artificial. Living Zombies stucked in the bottomless Pit.

Just stay on the side lines and watch the party because it's coming soon.

When Bully's have nothing to play with they become nobodies.

Once there are enough of us then the change will come.

Don't try to change there minds you can not help them they already lost & there list of since is so long they can not ever escape anymore.

They waiting for some God to free them of there since but nobody will come until they die if they don't see & clean there own since.

Just talk to people which think like you all others just ignore them!
Try it you will see how wild they get & call you names once you ignore them; all you do just return them a smile & go your way. Trust me it works every time.

You can even do it here on the forum don't ever argue with fanatics which seeking arguments just ignore there post entirely. Very simple really.
You may know who are the biggest name callers & word twisters "most religious people."

You will see.

[quetzalcoatl]

Now why would someone who never sins be a penitant? :confused:

This honestly has stopped making sense.. I thought you were covertly suggesting I needed to make Sacraments of Penance or some shite? :confused: You're losing me.. :confused:
Basically, you've answered my question as to why you deemed it necessary to 'call out' or judge my statement.. & I've responded (trying to be as polite as possible, believe me it's not easy for me) letting you know you are completely off base & sounding totally outa the realm altogether.. If you don't wish to respond to that post.. I would suggest it's best to just leave it @ that.. You can by all means have another random last say.. I will only be responding to debate surrounding our original argument.. no need to streach this fucker out any further. *deep breathes* :cool:

Good Day Sir!

[phildee3]

This honestly has stopped making sense.. I thought you were...suggesting I needed to make Sacraments of Penance...



Don't people who recommend something, as being good or advantageous, usually indulge in it themselves?

[quetzalcoatl]

Don't people who recommend something, as being good or advantageous, usually indulge in it themselves?

But wot you do is your business & none of mine.. You don't have to square things with me as I don't have to with you..

This is way off topic.. & I kinda promised myself I'd only respond to the original debate matter..

No hard feelings here anyway.. I hope you can understand I'm not trying to push any sort of angenda or evangelize n shit..

I've been on here too long now.. lol

So all the best. :)

Ciao.

[phildee3]

I hope you can understand I'm not trying to push any sort of angenda or evangelize n shit..



If this is true, then it might be a good idea not to use evangelistic cliches in future.

[zysin5]

How do you beat the bully without becoming the bully?

I know exactly what you are talking about.
That's the question logical smart people asking them selfs.
Actually this is there way to get more followers.
They intimidate others until you become like them because they hate who they are.
By having more of them they believe they have friends but in reality they again hate each other!


Thank you! For once ignorace did not win the day here! Thats good advice and I will take that to heart.. You speak much truth in your words, and Im happy you stopped by here!

I am normally use to forums that don't cuss, and do not show as much anger as this forum does.. But there are some really good people on this forum, and I only came here becasue of the respect I have for David Icke!

As said.. I find it hard to turn my back on any man or woman.. Its in my nature to be caring and helpful..
Yet this has taught me much I thank you! A logical smart respone that I have been waiting for..

To all the others, who want to go back and forth and bicker.. Know its a love hate relationship you have going on with eachother.

You can claim how much you might dislike those you agree with.. Yet you are compelled to come back and have a go with them..
Deep down you love it.. Deep down its that inner hate of ones self that drives you to post.

I hope that teaches you about yourself.. And will expose you at the inner being. And with that.. YOU the reader and writter can learn from your own exp. Its not my place to tell you what to belive, and how to belive it.

I just refuse to become the very bully, that has bullied me all my life.
And Im not one to say there is NO god.. I belive.. But in my own way.. And its still not good enough for some..

Oh well.. This thread has taught me alot about the members, and the forums attitude twords the world.. Its not a bad thing. And I hold no judgements.

As hard as it is to turn my back on other living and breathing people of this world.. I must do just that.. And walk along my path, not sharing hate, or anger with anyone.. Love and peace!

All those who took the time to help me with this thread, have my thanks. Even if it was negtive.. Alot of it was postive.. And thats what I see the postive outweights the negtive!

[quetzalcoatl]

If this is true, then it might be a good idea not to use evangelistic cliches in future.

Dooood!

I had no idea it was some sort of 'evangelical cliche'.. seriously I just picked it off the top of my head.. I was thinking about going with something like Christ-Consciousness - then thought nar keep it short & sweet the OP seems rather firm in thier opinions as is, no need to New Age cheery top it..

[phildee3]

Dooood!

I had no idea it was some sort of 'evangelical cliche'..



Well now you do,
and if you don't want people to think you are a duck
it's best not to quack like one.

[quetzalcoatl]

Well now you do,
and if you don't want people to think you are a duck
it's best not to quack like one.

Well, I aint gonna make any promises, sorry - yet offer maybe you need to look @ how you yourself interpretate things.. because it obvious you've read way too much into this.. Having said that maybe I will kinda try to be more careful - especially around you! happy? :p

On the flip-side let me urge you to express yourself without reservation nor hesitation, speak 'your truth' openly & without fear of condemnation/judgement - however right or wrong you may or maynot be.

[zysin5]

On the flip-side let me urge you to express yourself without reservation nor hesitation, speak 'your truth' openly & without fear of condemnation/judgement - however right or wrong you may or maynot be.

This is true! I want everyone to be able to express themselfs in a free and open way.. And hold no judgments or any ill will twords a person who is strong enough to openly speak their given personal Truth!!!

I have learned over my time here.. WE all have personal truths..

So What is the truth?

The truth is this..

No one will ever agree upon one given reality.
Everyone will only see what they have been taught, and how they where raised!

Growing up and being taught will sertinly make you the person you are in this day and age.. Today you may be different than you where 5-10 years ago.
In the same sense we will be different people in many years to come..

We all learn.. And we don't get anywhere unless we can be open and honest about our own personal truths.

Even if one man feels their truth is from a book that was written by men, To be the absolute word of God.
Prehaps that helps them overcome the many evils this world throws at us.

If that line of thinking helps a person.. Im all for it..

But once it turns into hate, and starts hurting people is when I step in.. And speak my mind to counter any hurtful things anyone has done at anytime..

Its not my place to tell you what to belive and how to belive it..

Yet my truth is.. ITs my place to stand up and ask logical questions.
Its my place to protect those who can not protect themselfs..

Its my place to stand before everyone with an open heart and open mind to say its not all black nor is it all white..

There is alot of Good that comes from the bible, alot of good people who go to church and help those with less...

Yet there are alot of men, who use that.. To line their own pockets with Gold.
Who take and plunder those who can not see the truth..

While I shed my ego at the same time.. If it wasnt me speaking up.. Then it would be someone else..
Therefore I will pick up the slack.. I will take the abuse, and try my best not to feed into it,, Nor give it strenght by playing into their hands..

Once a bully finds they have no power over the person being picked on.. They move on.. To find a weaker force to bully..

Once you take away the power of that base.. The base then inturn questions its own actions and ways.. And in time.. They can change..

But its them who change themselfs..

Its not me forcing anyone to change... Change is a personal quest.. A personal mission..

And if a person wants to honestly change.. They will do it, not becasue I said something.. OR becasue I did something..

It would be for the fact, the power base was taken away.. And those left with a logical mind, can see it for themselfs...

As the truth exposes all.. And once its out there.. If a person can not live with what they have done in the past.
They will change... And they will do it all on their own, and in their own time!

No force needed.. No twisting words, or pushing it on others..

And happens in due time.. And time is the factor in which change happens.
But slowly..
And it must happen in the persons given time..
They will come to understand.. When truth is spoken.. and you are allowed to express that truth without being picked on, or being called out and put down.

It takes more strenght to be honest.. Than it is to lie, and manipulate..

The truth will set us all free.. And we are only here for a short amount of time. We all die, and we all get to exp that..
No man or woman is excluded.. It is something we all have in comman..

As if we can't agree on anything.. Then we can all agree Death comes for us all.. And there is no need to fear that..
We are all in this together.. And when we learn to stand together for a comman cause.. WE learn what it means to be alive!

And when people take that away from us.. We tend to see it for what it truely is.. And what that is.. IS totally up to you!

Yet as time passes.. What is up to you is subject to change..

AS thats truth.. Truth is change. Truth is the power of being open and honest with yourself.. NO one else can tell you..

And when they do tell you.. Well it exposes their inner being!

Peace!
Zy5:D

[quetzalcoatl]

Great Post Zy5! :)

I whole-heartedly agree..

When it comes to the Bible being the pure word of God - it does become a bit of a grey area.. ;) Considering its collated from many books @ differing epochs.. & has around 40 (give or take) different authors, It's a matter of taking wot works, or feels right to each individual & leaving the stuff that feels negative or goes 'against ya grain' per-say.. I'm no expert but I'd be inclined to believe that in-fact there are many authors of the Bible that have indeed be Godly inspired (through various methods, dream revelations, Angel contact etc) to record such experiences.

Also, everything I've read so far that Christ has supposedly said has been pure wisdom & extremely useful.. Then there's a few things I simple just don't understand yet - like when he uses allegorious parables.. Why? :p Can't thick people get to know Gods messages? :D

Here's some Gnostic Gospels not found in the Bible - these especially ring true for me.. Tis a wealth of info there.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/sjc.html

Take Care, Peace! :)

[phildee3]

Well, I aint gonna make any promises, sorry -



Hey, I'm not asking for 'em, am I?

I don't give a darn.
It's not for me but for you - that is, if you don't want to be seen as a evangi-fundi.

If you don't mind being seen as one, carry on.

[comawhite015]

The bible wasn't written, it was compiled and edited to instill fear.
The original scriptures that it was compiled from were genuine attempts to channel divine wisdom, and to some extent they succeeded.

Yes, this is all bollocks!
God just is.
We determine our own fate.
God doesn't speak, doesn't want
and is androgynous.

It is our source from which we came and to which we shall return.

You do know what God is because your innermost, higher self is God.
Our mission is to overcome our amnesia.

Beautiful =)

Peace!
Zy5:D

You too, sweetheart. I'll spot you later =)

[quetzalcoatl]

Hey, I'm not asking for 'em, am I?

I don't give a darn.
It's not for me but for you - that is, if you don't want to be seen as a evangi-fundi.

If you don't mind being seen as one, carry on.

So its all about the OP.. then its how I may be perceived? - yet absolutely nothing about you? :confused:

Thank you for your concern sir.. :rolleyes: But really I dun give a shit how I come across.. If anything - even tho' it's far from accurate - I took it as a bit of a compliment TBH.. Some of these 'Evangies' (hehe dats a good yen :D) from wot I've gathered are quite intelligent cats.. although I'm far far from a fan of any..

Just thought I'd straighten ya out on that one.. since it was way off base..

Glad this is finally resolved. :)

Adiós Amigos!

[phildee3]

Adiós Amigos!



Leaving again?
Bye.
But you'll be back again;
either to admit that you're one of the hurtful, angry, spiteful, Zionist, evangi-fundamentalists, -
or that you just quack like one.

Everyone has to get real sooner or later.

[quetzalcoatl]

Leaving again?
Bye.
But you'll be back again;
either to admit that you're one of the hurtful, angry, spiteful, Zionist, evangi-fundamentalists, -
or that you just quack like one.

Everyone has to get real sooner or later.

Uh-huh! I've popped back in.. :p I need more hobbies.. less boredom.. :o

I can't help ya with you're accusations there.. There's obviously no convincing ya of the truth..

Also, I'd suggest it is you my friend that needs to get real..

Good Luck.. it's been a hoot! :D

[phildee3]

There's obviously no convincing ya of the truth.



Obviously -
when you don't tell it.

That's the second time you said you were leaving this discussion!

[quetzalcoatl]

Obviously -
when you don't tell it.

That's the second time you said you were leaving this discussion!

Is it any wonder? you keep randoming way off topic, spouting paranoid accusations.. :rolleyes:

Yes, everyone lying to you man.. :rolleyes:

Fuck Sake! Relax man.. :cool: Look - I'm not trying to rile ya up ere.. TBH you seem to be doing a fine job of that yourself..

This is only a slight waste of time for me.. :p

You'll be okay! :)

[phildee3]

you keep randoming way off topic,



this is not off-topic:
"you're one of the hurtful, angry, spiteful, Zionist, evangi-fundamentalists, -
or you just quack (ie.talk) like one,"

neither is it meant to be an "accusation" - just a fact.

You are right, I do not know which is the truth,
but it must be either/or.

[quetzalcoatl]

this is not off-topic:
"you're one of the hurtful, angry, spiteful, Zionist, evangi-fundamentalists, -
or you just quack (ie.talk) like one,"

neither is it meant to be an "accusation" - just a fact.

You are right, I do not know which is the truth,
but it must be either/or.

Dunno man.. I can't be fucked to be honest..

So must be both! :p

[phildee3]

Dunno man.. I can't be fucked to be honest..



Fucked enough to keep "wasting you time" with this conversation, as you put it. :rolleyes:

[comawhite015]

Do I need to sit you two down and give you your juice cup? =D

[phildee3]

Like this:

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[ranran]

"...it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth,' but I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also, and if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy,' but I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." [Matthew ch. 5]

As far as an "eye for an eye", that is an incorrect rendering by Jesus. The "eye for an eye" deals specifically with property law.

[zysin5]

As the saying goes..
An eye for an eye.

And I feel this, When you take an eye for an eye.. Before you know it, the whole world will be blind!

Also to mention.. I spoke with someone who feels the bible is the Absolute word of God.. Here is what they have to say..
some babies are born blind, or without limbs, or maybe handicapped, that does NOT mean that god ment them to be that way.


So they Claim God never ment for them to be that way? Yet we have many people who can overcome such things.. And do more with their life then some people with all their limbs!!
So in those words.. God did not mean for all those classical artists who wrote beautiful music not to be that way..
These children have much to learn about this world.. And stop thinking they know what God wants, and doesnt want.. Spiteful!

[octopusrex]

I do believe the correct instruction was "turn the other cheek"...

Very sado maso if you ask me, BUT SOLID!