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A FEAST OF THE CIRCUMCISION.

SAID Rabbi Abba: "Scripture states, 'All thy people are93a righteous.' These words have been explained by the students initiates. Why are thy people called righteous? Were all the children of Israel upright and just? Were there not amongst them sinners and transgressors against the commandments of the law? Certainly there were. But let us learn from tradition what it teaches us respecting the esoteric meaning of these words. Blessed the lot of Israel who offer up sacrifices. The will of the Holy One is that they should sacrifice their sons to him on the eighth day after birth, from which time and after they become recipients of the good part that will never be taken from them, as it is written, 'The righteous One is the foundation of the world' (Troy. X. 25). When the rite of the covenant is duly performed, children enter into the blessing of the Holy One and are then accounted just and righteous, and therefore it is written of them, 'They shall inherit the land forever,' and also, 'Open unto me the gates of the righteous (zadecq) one that I may enter in; and further, 'This is the gate of the Lord, and the righteous shall enter therein' Ps. CXVIII. 20). Those who are circumcised are therefore termed righteous, and as we read, 'They shall inherit the land forever, the branch of my planting' (Is. LX. 21),Ps. 37:39 which the Holy One has planted in the garden of Eden. Now the earth below is one of these plants, and therefore the children of Israel have a good part in the world to come and, as just stated, shall inherit the land
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forever. The esoteric meaning of the word "forever" has already been explained. The letter He (H) is not found in93a, 86b the name of Abraham until after his circumcision, when from Abram it was changed to Abraham. Then it was that the Schekina became attached to and abode with him, and therefore it is written, 'These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created.' Now from tradition we are informed that the word 'behibaram' (when they were created) should be read, 'behe baram' (by or through Abraham). It may be objected, how can it be said the heavens and the earth were created by Abraham, who corresponds to the Sephir Hesed (mercy) on the Tree of Life, since we know also from tradition that the word 'belubaram' signifies that the heavens and the earth were created by the Schekina, of which the letter H is the symbol? Our reply is that these two traditions are not really contradictory to each other, but refer and amount to the same thing."
Said Rabbi Jacob to his father, Rabbi Abba:from "Said Rabbi Jacob" to "As a token of his covenant" (next paragraph) omitted in Soncino "The letter H in 'behibaram' is found written smaller in size than the other letters composing the word, but in the word halayehorah, which is found beginning the verse, 'Do ye thus requite the Lord, oh foolish people and unwise' (Deuter. XXXII. 6)., it is written larger than the other letters in the Pentateuch (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#78). What is the reason of this difference between the two H's?"
Said Rabbi Abba: "The first H denotes that degree of divine life within the soul or lower self, that corresponds in signification with the sabbatical year that symbolizes it; the second larger H, that heavenly state of which the Jubilee is the symbol. Now, though the moon is at one time new and at another full, yet it is always one and the same notwithstanding its various phases, so is it with the mysterious Schekina that is distinguished by the smaller or larger letter H. Blessed is the lot of Israel in whom the Holy One delights more than any of her nation or people. As a token of his covenant with them, they perform the rite of circumcision, which whoever bears it shall never enter into Gehenna, for if he lives a chaste life, he will never be overcome by temptation nor break the vow taken in the name of the heavenly king. When a parent arranges and prepares for his son to enter into the covenant of circumcision, the Holy One summons all his celestial angels and says, 'Observe the child I have created in the world.' Then the prophet Elijah immediately
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descends at the time of the ceremony and takes the93a-93b seat that has been placed apart for him and which the father is bound by law to declare at the same time, 'This seat is for Elijah the prophet.' Otherwise, the prophet refrains from taking it and forthwith ascends and testifies before the Holy One of what has occurred. Observe that at first the scriptures state, 'And the Lord came unto him and said, 'What doest thou here, Elijah?' And Elijah answered and said, 'I have been very zealous for the Lord God of hosts, because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant a,' (1 Kings XIX. 9-10). Then said God unto him, 'I swear by thy life that wherever and whenever my children shall practice and obey my covenant, there shalt thou be present and thy mouth which now testifies that the children of Israel have forsaken my covenant, shall also testify when they keep it.' We are also taught by tradition that Elijah was punished for making himself the accuser of God's children."
Thus they continued their studies in the secret doctrine until the day began to dawn, when Rabbi Abba and his son prepared to go their journey. Then spake the inn-keeper and said: "Ere you leave us, finish your remarks on the subject on which you have discoursed." On asking him what subject he meant, he answered: "Tomorrow you will behold and come into the presence of the Master who will be present here. It is the earnest desire and wish of my wife that you stay with us, as our son who has just been born unto us will be circumcised tomorrow."
Said Rabbi Abba: "The wish is a command, and we shall rejoice in seeing the Schekina and will postpone our departure." They stayed until the following night, when there was a gathering of all the friends of the host, who spent the time in the study of the secret doctrine, and no one slept that night.




"I WOULD like," said the host, "each one of you to give forth, according as he is able, some new idea or thought relative to the secret doctrine."
Then spake one of the guests and said: "It is written, 'Praise ye the Lord, for the avenging (biproa peraoth) of Israel when the people willingly offered themselves' ( Jud. V. 2). Wherefore did Deborah and Barak begin this song with these words? We learn from tradition that the world stands and is established only on the divine covenant. As long as Israel continues to obey and conform to it by the rite of circumcision it will abide stable, but if it should, be which God forbid, that Israel neglect their duty and ignore the covenant, then the blessings accruing from the observance of it will cease coming into the world. Observe, no other nation or people will ever rule over Israel so long as it abides true and faithful to the covenant. What mean these words, 'Faithful (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#79) to the covenant?' They indicate that when the command respecting the rite attached to the covenant is ignored, or in other words, when the worship of God is forsaken as was the case in the time of Deborah, as it is written, 'And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord and served Baalim and He delivered them into the hands of Sisera' (Jud. IV. 2); the meaning of these words is that they forsook God; that is, they neglected to perform the initiatory rite attached to the covenant which their forefathers, the patriarchs, had inaugurated and performed. When Deborah, however, appeared, she brought them to a sense of their infidelity towards God, so that they willingly and of their own accord (behithnadeb) returned to the observance of the law respecting the
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[paragraph continues] 'persia' 1 (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/zdm106.htm#fn_10) and found that obedience brought them blessings, together with overthrow and defeat of their enemies. We also learn from tradition that the Holy One said unto Joshua, 'The children of Israel are impure, they have ceased obeying93b the law respecting 'persia' and so have not entered into the covenant, and thou wishest to lead them into the holy land and overthrow their enemies, go and circumcise the children of Israel again.' And not until they had conformed to this injunction were they able to enter the Promised Land and conquer their foes. The same thing occurred when Deborah appeared; and when by obedience (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#80) they returned to the path of duty, victory attended their arms and blessings were again showered upon them and the world. This is why it is written, 'biproa peraoth' and by obeying the law respecting it willingly and of their own accord, they were able to say, 'barcou Iehovah,' praise for the renewal of his blessings."
Said another guest: "It is written, 'And it came to pass as Moses was journeying, the Lord met him in the inn and sought to kill him' (Ex. IV. 24). The question may here b asked, kill whom? Moses or his son. Moses most certainly, for the Holy One had said unto him: 'Thou art going to bring forth Israel out of Egypt and vanquish a great king and ruler, yet thou forgettest and neglectest to circumcise thy own son.' For this gross neglect on his part, he sought to (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#81) kill him. Now we learn from tradition that the archangel Gabriel descended at this moment, enveloped in flaming fire to consume Moses and a serpent leaped out of it to destroy him. But why a serpent? The Holy One had said to Moses: 'Thou intendest to go and kill a mighty and powerful despot (pharaoh) and hast not circumcised thy son.' Then made he a sign to the serpent to kill him. At that moment Zepporah, his wife, appeared and, taking the boy, performed the rite at once, when the serpent (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#82) let go his hold on Moses, as it is written, 'Then Zepporah took a sharp stone (tzour) and circumcised the son' (Ex. IV. 25). What does the word 'tzour' here denote? A remedy, an antidote, which was the rite of circumcision, to the performance of which she was impelled by an inner inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and thus saved the life of her husband."
Then spake another guest and said: "It is written, 'And Joseph said unto his brethren, come near me, I pray you' (Gen. XLV. 4); and they came near. Wherefore spake Joseph
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thus, as his brethren were already near him? It was because when he said unto them, 'I am Joseph your brother' they became filled with amaze and astonishment, seeing him head ruler of Egypt. Then said Joseph: "This is the cause of my elevation to the high position I occupy," and manifested the sign of the covenant he bore upon him. From this we infer that success and prosperity in life accrue (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#83) sooner or later to everyone who observes the rite of the covenant and keeps himself pure and chaste. We are confirmed in. this by the example of Boaz, concerning whom we read, 'As the Lord liveth, lie down until the morning' (Ruth III. 13). The tempter wished to lead Boaz into sin; but faithful and true to his oath, he resisted the temptation and thus kept pure the sign of the covenant. Therefore, he was honored in giving birth to those whose offspring became kings and rulers over all other kings, and also of becoming the ancestral progenitor of King Messiah who is called by the name of the Holy One.
Another guest spake and said: "It is written, 'Though a host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear, though war should rise against me, in this (bezoth) will I be confident' (Ps. XXVII. 3). The word "bezoth" here denotes the sign of the covenant a man bears here below as on high, and this is why David said, 'In this will I be confident.' It is written, 'Zoth is the sign of the covenant' (Gen. IX. 12). 'Zoth is my covenant.' These zoths refer to one and the same sign of the divine life. We learn from tradition that ze, male, and zoth, female, are one and never separate. If it be said, then everyone, whether bearing the mark of the covenant or not, enjoys the blessings of it. Why should not everyone, as well as David, say the same words? But David was united with and enjoyed the presence of the Schekina, of which he was an image by virtue of the royal crown or diadem he wore. Observe, it was owing to his failure in preserving zoth in all its purity, that the kingdom was taken from him for a period, as tradition states. This zoth is impressed on the celestial kingdom as on Jerusalem the Holy City. When David by his sin in connection with Bathsheba transgressed against it, a voice from on high called unto him and said, 'Thou shalt reap the fruit of thy deeds. Thou shalt be ejected out of Jerusalem and the kingdom shall be taker from thee.' We learn this from the words of scripture, 'Behold,
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[paragraph continues] I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house' (2 Sam. XII. II). Thus was David punished for breaking the covenant by his unchastity; and, as it was with him, so will it be with all others who likewise transgress against it."
Another guest spake and said: "It is written, 'Unless the Lord had been my help, my son would have dwelt in silence (duma)' (Ps. XCIV. 17). Through what are the children of Israel blessed that they descend not into Gehenna and come under the power of the angel Duma like other idolatrous nations' Because, as tradition informs us, when a man leaves the world, hosts of angels, the executors of justice, approach him, but on perceiving the sacred sign or token of the covenant he bears on him, they leave him and trouble not to deliver him unto the hands of Duma who sentences men to descend into Gehenna, the fate and doom of all those who are delivered into his power. The man who by chastity preserves himself pure, fears no judgment for he is united with the name of the Holy One. David failed to do this and in consequence lost his kingdom and was driven out of Jerusalem and feared greatly that the avenging angels would consign him into the hands of Duma, which would have meant for him eternal death (the annihilation of the soul through absolute separation from the higher self). This fear and terror abode with him until Nathan, the prophet,94a announced unto him the good news, 'The Lord hath taken away thy sin so thou shalt not die.'2 Sam. 12:13 Then was it that David said, 'If the Lord had not been my help, my soul would have dwelt in hell.'"
Another guest spake and said: "'If I shall find favor in the eves of the Lord, he will bring me again and make me to sec his sign (otho) and his tabernacle' (2 Sam. XV. 25). Who can see the Holy One? Tradition states that when judgment was decreed and passed upon David, he knew it was owing to his sin in violating the sign of the covenant, for punishment attends everyone who transgresses against it and observes not its obligatory duties, which, if not performed, no one is accounted just, if he keep not himself pure and chaste in deed and thought. Knowing this, David prayed, 'If I find favor in the eyes of the Lord, he will answer me and make me to see his sign (otho) and tabernacle,' or as these words may be paraphrased, God grant me to see his holy token, for I tremble and fear because I have lost
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mine. What is meant by 'the token of God?' It denotes the sovereignty of Israel and Jerusalem. Nov he who lives unchastely forfeits the mark or token of God, that is. the divine life in the soul."
Another guest spake and said: "It is written, 'And in my flesh shall I see my God, Eloha' (Job XIX. 26). What is meant by this expression, 'in my flesh'? Why said he not, rather, 'in myself'? If he really said 'in my flesh,' what did he mean? Job here alludes to the flesh which scriptures mentions, 'The holy flesh they have soiled' (yaabrou) (Jer. XI. 15), and also, 'My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant' (Gen. XVII. 13). We are taught whenever a man bears this token on him, he sees the Holy One himself, and when this occurs it is through the unification of the lower and higher selves, resulting in the Beatific Vision. If, however, he does not preserve purity of thought and act, scriptures states, this union ceases and becomes broken, and the soul or lower self perishes, going back and becoming resolved into its original elements out of which it has been prepared and built up, like as the material body returns to the dust out of which it has been formed; and therefore it is written, 'They lose the breath divine (minishmath Eloha).' The divine Schekina never separates from one who by his pure life and faithful obedience observed the good law, or covenant. If it be asked, when does the holy Spirit or divine life manifest itself in a man? it is when the union we have just mentioned is effected. It is the true, the divine, marriage when they twain become one flesh. From tradition we learn why the letters V and H are placed together in their alphabetical order. Vau being the symbol of the male and He that of the female principle, which are united and operate in combination with each other, as husband and wife, and from one becoming invested with a nimbus or covering of divine light that emanates from the male principle and known in scripture as grace (chesed), as it is written, 'The goodness (chesed) of God endureth continually' (Ps. LII. 1). This ray of divine light comes through the Sephira (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#84) "supreme Wisdom" and penetrates the male principle, which is communicated to the female. Another tradition states that the name Aloha is separable into, al, V and H, al designating the light of wisdom, V the male principle and H the female principle, and their totality form Aloha.
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[paragraph continues] The holy soul or higher self, as it has been stated, is in intimate relationship with the nephesh or soul only so long as it keep itself pure and preserve intact the holy covenant, and therefore it is written, 'In my flesh shall I see God' (Aloha) (Job XIX. 26). A pure life, a pure soul, are reciprocal and convertible terms and never separated. Happy the lot of those who, attached to the Holy One, live the divine life, both in this world and the world to come. Of them it is written, 'Ye who have become joined unto the Lord your God are alive everyone of you this day' (Deuter. IV. 2). For theirs is the one true and divine life that they live."
After the guest had ceased speaking, Rabbi Abba addressed them thus: "How is it," said he, "that so mentally and spiritually enlightened, you are content to reside and live in such an obscure place, and are so versed in the teachings of the secret doctrine?"
They answered and said: "When the young birds leave their nests they know not whither to go, as it is written, 'As a bird wandereth from its nest so is a man that wandereth (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#85) from his place' (Prov. XXVII. 9). Now this place is our nest and is suitably adapted for study of the secret doctrine. During the first part of the night we sleep. The other part we devote to study. When daybreak begins, the refreshing morning breezes and the light of the sun so invigorates us that we apply ourselves with renewed energy to meditation, and readily assimilate, digest and understand the teachings that come into our minds. A great calamity once happened in this place and a great many of illustrious and learned teachers perished, and which they might have escaped but for their neglect in (http://sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/errata.htm#86) the study of the secret doctrine. Made wise from their example and fate, we study assiduously by day and night, preferring to remain here because its situation is highly favorable and helpful to a student of life. He who leaves it would be as foolish as he who takes away his own life."
On hearing these words, Rabbi Abba raised his hands and blessed them. They were all sitting together and when day began to dawn, it was said to the young people who were there, "Go out and see if it is daybreak, and if it be so, then let each one address something to our excellent and esteemed guest, Rabbi Abba, and some remarks on the secret doctrine."


THEY went out of the house and found the sun had already risen above the horizon. Then said one of them: "Today fire will descend from on high." Said another: "It will descend upon this house and envelope someone in flames." A third said: "It will be one who is in our midst and well on in years."
"God forbid that this should happen," exclaimed Rabbi Abba, who was exceedingly troubled, so that he was unable to speak. After a few moments, he became composed and said: "I perceive heaven is communicating to the earth and predicting through these children, events that will occur during the day."
The predictions proved true, respecting Rabbi Abba, for the joy he felt in the study of the secret doctrine was so great that his countenance and head became irradiated with a nimbus of light. All that day, the guest remained in the house and none went out of it. It was surrounded with something similar to a thin cloud of mist, and the friends assembled
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there experienced a sense of inward joy and delight so intense as that which was felt by the children of Israel when they received the law at Mount Sinai. So intent and absorbed were the guests in their meditations that when their meeting ended, they knew not whether it was day or night.
Then Rabbi Abba spake and said: "Whilst we are all present, let each one direct and concentrate his thoughts and speak on the subject of 'Wisdom,' that our host may be blessed and profited now that he is about to celebrate the feast of the circumcision."
Then stood up one of the guests and said: "It is written, 'Blessed is the man whom thou choosest and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts. We shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, thy holy tabernacle' (Ps. LXV. 5). Observe in this verse the sequence of the words, court, house, tabernacle, in an ascending grade from the lower to the higher. To dwell in thy courts, is to dwell in Jerusalem and be accounted holy, as it is written, 'He that remaineth in Jerusalem shall be called holy' (Is. IV. 3), and also, 'We shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house.: 'Through wisdom a house is builded and by understanding it is established' (Prov. XXIV. 3). By the word wisdom, allusion is made to the occult words, 'And a river went forth out of Eden to water the garden.' 'Thy holy tabernacle,' then, is the higher and supreme degree of divine life, for the term "hecal" (tabernacle) is the same as he-cal (there is everything), the tabernacle being the perfection and union of all things. The beginning of the verse confirms this interpretation. 'Happy is the man whom thou choosest that he may dwell in thy courts.' He who offers as a sacrifice to the Holy One his own son by causing him to undergo the rite of circumcision, becomes a friend and servant of the Holy One and enables him to dwell also in the house and tabernacle or the secret place of the Most High. The word "hatzerekha" (thy courts) is here found in the plural and includes house and tabernacle. It is for this reason that true men and faithful servants of the covenant, when the rite was performed, were accustomed to recite this verse in the following way, one of the assistants repeated the words, 'blessed is he whom thou choosest to approach unto thee.' Another said, 'we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house.'
Then followed the benediction pronounced by the child's
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father: "Blessed be thou, Lord and Master of the universe who hast sanctified us and commanded us to bring this child unto the covenant of Abraham our father." The witnesses then say, 'God grant that as you have caused thy child to enter into the covenant, so may thou also initiate him into the secret doctrine respecting marriage and good works.' We know from tradition that a man ought first of all to pray for mercies to be extended to himself and then to others, as it is written, 'Make atonement for himself and for his household and for all the congregation of Israel' (Lev. XVI. 17). We think this a precept that should be always followed."
Said Rabbi Abba: "Truly and rightly so, and he who neglects and ignores it excludes himself and enters not into the ten canopies or pavilions which the Holy One has prepared for the righteous in the world to come and for all who obey this injunction. For this reason the words of this verse are ten in number, corresponding each of them to one of these pavilions. Blessed is your lot in this world and the world to come, for the secret doctrine is written in your hearts as though you had been in bodily form at Mount Sinai when the law was given forth to the children of Israel.
Said another guest: "It is written, 'An altar of earth shalt thou make unto me and sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings and thy peace offerings' (Ex. XX. 24). We are taught that everyone who brings his child as a sacrifice, or in other words, causes him to be circumcised, makes an offering the greatest and most acceptable that can be rendered to the Holy One, and also the altar he makes is the most perfect that can be possibly made. Therefore, at the performance of this rite it is necessary that there be an altar consisting of a vase filled with earth, into which is cast the prepuce, this being accounted by the Holy One as an offering equally as agreeable and acceptable to him as the sacrifice of sheep and oxen, and therefore it is further written, 'Where I record my name, I will come unto thee and will bless thee.' What do the words, 'where I record my name' signify? They allude to the sign of the covenant, as it is written, 'The secret or mystery of the Lord is with them that fear him, and he will show them his covenant' (Ps. XXV. 14). Further it is added, 'If thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt build it of unhewn stones, for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it' (Ex. XX. 25). These words refer to heathen converts to
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[paragraph continues] Judaism who are generally stiff-necked and hard of heart,95a and therefore termed an altar of stone. 'Thou shalt built it of unhewn stones' signify those who have the desire to serve and worship the Holy One, who enjoins that no gentile convert should undergo the rite of the covenant until he has renounced his former religion and parted with his hardness of heart, as his conversion would prove vain and of no good effect. He would be like unto a stone, carved and polished outside but interiorly is still rough and hard. The real meaning then of these words is, unless the heart is softened by entering into the covenant, it is of no benefit whatever, either to them who take part in the ceremony or bear the sign on them. Happy is he who in this pleases the Holy One by this offering of his son unto him, for he will rejoice daily, as it is written, 'But let them rejoice, all they who put their trust in thee, let hem shout for joy because thou dwellest with them, let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee'" (Ps. V. 11).
Said another guest: "It is written, 'And Abraham was ninety and nine years old and the Lord appeared unto him, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God, walk thou before me and be thou perfect' (Gen. XVII. 1). This verse needs critical examination, as it abounds with several difficulties that require explanation. It may be asked, had not the Holy One appeared unto Abraham before attaining unto this age, which might be inferred from the words of this verse. In previous accounts of the divine manifestations no mention whatever is made of Abraham's age. It is simply said, 'the Lord said unto Abraham * * *.' Another difficult question is, how was it that before Abraham had reached this age, scripture nowhere states that the Lord appeared unto him? It was because that up to that time he was uncircumcised, and it was only after he had performed the rite the Holy One revealed himself in a way and manner he had never done before, and therefore scripture states, 'And the Lord appeared unto him.' But why did the Lord appear and manifest himself to Abraham on this particular occasion? Because he wished to make known unto him the relation existing between the sign of the covenant and that most sublime degree of elevation in the divine life, termed the "Holy Crown." Moreover, the Holy One intended that from Abraham should proceed a people and nation wholly sanctified unto himself; it was essential that he himself should first become
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such, which did not occur until he had attained to the age of ninety-nine years. Another reason why scripture states this age of Abraham is, that until he had attained thereunto, his years were not reckoned or taken any account of and only began to be so when he became circumcised at this advanced age. When the Lord appeared unto him and said, 'I am the Almighty God' (El Shaddai). Why up to this time had he not appeared unto him and announced himself by this name? Respecting this question tradition informs us that at the creation of the world, he. made higher and lower spheres, some of the latter of which were void of holiness and spiritual life, such as the world of elementals who are able to influence those in this earth who are uncircumcised and who become impressed with their mark, the letters S and D denoting they are soiled and subject to the influence of the evil one. But as soon as men are circumcised, they become freed from the influence of the elementals and live under the wings or protection of the Schekina. It is then that the Yod (I), symbol of the sign of the Covenant, becomes impressed upon them95a-95b and they bear on them the full-divine name Shaddai (S D I). When this occurred in the case of Abraham, then, as stated, the Lord appeared unto him and said unto him, 'I am the Almighty God,' (El Shaddai) 'walk thou before me and be thou perfect' (thanaim), which word signifies full and complete. In other words, he said, until now the mark thou hast borne is incomplete, being composed only of the letters S and D. Circumcise now thyself, then wilt thou bear my full and complete name of Shaddai, for whoever bears it is blessed, as it is written, 'And God Almighty (Al Shaddai) bless thee' (Gen. XXVIII. 3). It is from him that all blessings come. He it is who rules the inferior worlds that tremble and fear before him, so that they are unable to exercise any influence over those who bear on them the full sign of the covenant. who will never descend or fall into Gehenna, as it is written, 'Thy people also shall be all righteous'"

eternal_spirit
06-02-2009, 09:07 PM
About the title

Those who are not cut (circumcised) are prone to possession or influences by evil spirits/Demons (described as elementals in the article)

One would think it was the other way around? A blood ritual of cutting part of a penis off would attract demons. Not make one protected and closer to God as the Jewish Rabbis claim.

Islam is more connected to Judaism than any other religion. Was it not the story of Abraham that also made Muslims circumcise?

The letter J was not used for the Hebrew word Jew at one time, it (J) has only fairly recently been used.

In the past the word Y or I was used instead of J, Jew would be Yew, or Iew. This is also why we have Jehovah (a later version of the word Yahweh) which means the same thing.

Here is a small quote from the article
Circumcise now thyself, then wilt thou bear my full and complete name of Shaddai, for whoever bears it is blessed, as it is written, 'And God Almighty (Al Shaddai) bless thee' (Gen. XXVIII. 3). It is from him that all blessings come. He it is who rules the inferior worlds that tremble and fear before him, so that they are unable to exercise any influence over those who bear on them the full sign of the covenant. (means circumcision)who will never descend or fall into Gehenna, as it is written, 'Thy people also shall be all righteous'"
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Gehenna is a kind of hell? Think it relates to the lower astral where the elementals are said to reside, they are like demons.

1977
06-02-2009, 09:16 PM
The foreskin has highly sensitive nerve endings that are linked to the third eye. So say the Tantrics, at least.

eternal_spirit
06-02-2009, 09:36 PM
The foreskin has highly sensitive nerve endings that are linked to the third eye. So say the Tantrics, at least.

Well I'd take their word over the Rabbis. Who claim to be chaste is the pathway to higher realms and spirituality. (That in itself isn't so unusual a belief for Religious/priesthoods)

Have read that castration came before circumcision. Some priests would have the whole penis chopped off as a sacrifice
to their deity, God etc. So they couldn't be tempted by the pleasures of the flesh (sacrifice the pleasure) and concentrate on more mundane aspects (no sex is mundane imo:rolleyes:) dedicating and focusing their thoughts on more spiritual stuff)

I prefer the Indian chakra system over the Judaic/Kabbalah tree of life (some say it's the same thing)

Tantrics see sex as a way to open up the higher levels of conciousness via kundalini/Chakras. While other Hindus and Buddhists who are celibate/chaste claim to reach high levels of conciousness via meditation which some is based on charkra/Kundalini.

Two paths indeed.

eternal_spirit
06-02-2009, 09:43 PM
Adonai Yahweh El Shaddai link click here (http://dclwolf.homestead.com/Yahweh.html)
"Adonai Yahweh El Shaddai. My people shall know Me by name. Yahweh is Lord! ... Adonai Yahweh. El Shaddai. El Elyon Elohim. El Elyon Elohim. Lord Lord ..."
dclwolf.homestead.com/Yahweh.html

eternal_spirit
06-02-2009, 11:38 PM
in Genesis, the Biblical account of Creation, the word "Elohim" has been mistranslated as the singular word "God", but it is actually a plural word which means "those who came from the sky", and the singular is "Eloha" (also known as "Allah").
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52783

Maybe?

hewrote
07-02-2009, 01:00 AM
The foreskin has highly sensitive nerve endings that are linked to the third eye. So say the Tantrics, at least.

that's interesting.... Over time, would there be a collective physiological connection formed by young males being traumatized? How snipping the foreskin brings you closer to god is beyond me. but you know how those old testament jews could be....CRAAAAAAZZYYYY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!:)

1977
07-02-2009, 01:47 AM
Have read that castration came before circumcision. Some priests would have the whole penis chopped off as a sacrifice
to their deity, God etc. So they couldn't be tempted by the pleasures of the flesh (sacrifice the pleasure) and concentrate on more mundane aspects (no sex is mundane imo:rolleyes:) dedicating and focusing their thoughts on more spiritual stuff)
This came about either through ignorance or conscious deception on the part of the priesthoods. The meaning behind Attis castrating himself on a pine tree does not refer to physical castration, but to "divorcing himself from fleshly generation" and, in true Tantric fashion, directing that generative fire up the spine (the pine tree), which is the "generation of the gods." This also involves the transmutation of semen, which is why the innermost mystery of the Eleusinian Mysteries was a freshly-reaped ear of wheat. This is, essentially, the big secret underlying the whole thing.

And in the Bible we see phallic symbolism over and over again. Joachim and Boaz? The anointing "chrism"? Jacob's Pillar, anyone?
Tantrics see sex as a way to open up the higher levels of conciousness via kundalini/Chakras. While other Hindus and Buddhists who are celibate/chaste claim to reach high levels of conciousness via meditation which some is based on charkra/Kundalini.
Kundalini is very closely associated with Tantric practice, as it is essentially the sexual "generative fire". But it seems that people often experience it outside of this context.

The Alchemists, however, say that you need to kill the Kundalini serpent once it is awakened. I have heard many stories about the dangers of Kundalini awakening; maybe they're right?

comawhite015
07-02-2009, 01:49 AM
I'll have me some demon controlled bits any day of the week, thanks.

eternal_spirit
07-02-2009, 02:06 AM
http://www.iranchamber.com/culture/articles/rituals_of_circumcision.php

Hell of a read.

comawhite015
07-02-2009, 02:18 AM
Did I read something about circumcision being performed on male babies by the teeth of the Rabbi once? Or am I mad?

eternal_spirit
07-02-2009, 02:32 AM
Did I read something about circumcision being performed on male babies by the teeth of the Rabbi once? Or am I mad?

No just got the story a little mixed up.

After the cut, the Rabbi puts his mouth on the babies penis. I don't know how common this is or if it's even done these days.

I'll have a search.

eternal_spirit
07-02-2009, 02:50 AM
"The Talmud declares that there are two kinds of blood pleasing to the lord, viz: (1) that of Paschal holocaust [Easter sacrifice & the Feast of Purim]; (2) that of circumcision."

According to The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1903, Vol. IV., p. 90, when performing the operation of circumcision on children, the mohel (Jewish Rabbi who does the circumcision):

"takes some wine in his mouth and applies his lips to the part involved in the operation, and exerts suction, after which he expels the mixture of wine and blood into a receptacle provided."

What The Jewish Encyclopedia does not tell us is that this mixture of wine and blood is then drunk by the rabbi, as a great delicacy.

I can't verify this last part about the blood drinking. Have read that the Rabbi uses his saliva as a form of antiseptic (but you'd think they could use something else these days)

All sounds vampirish and seems to be something occult like, to do with blood and interaction of life force between Rabbi and baby. Possibly to do with mind control/conditioning. Rabbis dishes out pain then slightly soothes wound for a short time with mouth.

As Jew grows older, he may have a deep subconscious thought (do as Rabbis says follow religion obey their laws) or else suffer pain.

Poor sods.

1977
07-02-2009, 03:58 AM
I happened to be reading something in a book that seemed highly applicable to what I mentioned before (although perhaps not directly related to circumcision): http://books.google.com/books?id=HxwD6g3CUR4C&pg=PA275

[Speaking of the Book of Revelation]
...
The Conqueror appears, mounted on a white horse; ''he treads the wine-vat of the ardor of the God's fecundating energy"; his mantle is blood-hued, and upon it and upon his thigh is inscribed his title of supreme ruler. The word "thigh" (meros) is euphemistic ; the phallos, membrum virile, is intended. This particular euphemism is common in the Old Testament (Genesis xxiv. 2. et passim). Moreover, it will be noticed that here the Conqueror has the sword of Mars, and is riding the white horse of the Archer who, at the opening of the first seal, the adhishthana chakra, "came forth conquering and to keep on conquering." Thus the incarnated Logos is shown to bear a direct relation to the lowest centres.

Now, it would be utterly impossible to elucidate the Apocalypse and ignore this delicate but perfectly pure subject, concerning which even the most communicative expositors of the esoteric philosophy have been extremely reticent; and so the present writer, being opposed to all undue secrecy, and believing that in this matter harm has resulted from the suppression of the truth, feels justified in dealing with the subject frankly and without constraint, though with necessary brevity. As every practical "pyrotechnist" knows, the human brain contains certain centres or components, including the pituitary body and the conarium, the higher functions of which are almost completely dormant in the normal individuals of the present races of mankind,"who are therefore termed in the New Testament and other esoteric writings "the dead"; yet it is only through these organs of the brain that the spiritual Self of man, his overshadowing God, can act upon the consciousness of the psycho-intellectual self. This corpse-like condition of the finer organs of the brain does not preclude very high development of the ordinary intellectual faculties, apart from the epistemonic power; indeed, there are and always have been men who are lamentable examples of brilliant intellectuality combined with the densest spiritual stupidity. In the case of the true genius, the poet, artist, intuitive philosopher, and religious mystic of saintly purity, there is a partial awakening of these centres; while in the case of the seer (excluding from that class the mere psychic clairvoyant) the higher faculties are so quickened that he becomes cognizant of the interior worlds, the planes of true Being. But when the brain is fully restored to its true functions by the energizing of the speirema, the paraklctos of the New Testament, that "Light of the Logos" which is literally the creative force of the Logos, then it, the brain, becomes an androgynous organ, wherein takes place the immaculate conception and gestation of the self-born spiritual man, the monogencs, who is in very truth "born from above." This is the process of regeneration and redemption which is expressed by myth and symbol in all the great world-religions of antiijuity.

There being a direct and intimate relationship and correspondence between the sacred centres in the brain and the lower procreative centres, it follows that true spirituality can be attained only when a pure and virtuous life is led; while for the neophyte who would enter upon the telestic labor, the task of giving birth to oneself, perfect celibacy is the first and absolute prerequisite. Unless he is inspired by the loftiest aspiration, guided by the noblest philosophy, and restrained by the most rigid moral discipline, his possibility of success is extremely remote; and the mere dabbler in the pseudo-occult will only degrade his intellect with the puerilities of psychism, become the prey of the evil influences of the phantasmal world, or ruin his soul by the foul practices of phallic sorcery—as thousands of misguided people are doing even in this age.

eternal_spirit
11-02-2009, 12:25 AM
Intersting

ayomide
11-02-2009, 01:14 AM
are you cut or uncut eternal?

1977
11-02-2009, 01:34 AM
This passage (http://books.google.com/books?id=HxwD6g3CUR4C&pg=PA297&ci=143,647,739,221&source=bookclip) is also of interest (again, discussing the Book of Revelation):

This figure of the Sun as the ruler of the planets is a symbol of the incarnated Self, the Second Logos; and, as given in the description of the apparition, the seven planets are in reversed, order for the Second Logos is the inverted reflection of the First: the celestial man is, as it were, upside-down when incarnated in the material world.

sophia_h
12-02-2009, 11:01 PM
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No just got the story a little mixed up.

After the cut, the Rabbi puts his mouth on the babies penis. I don't know how common this is or if it's even done these days.

I'll have a search.


gross photos

http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/mohel.htm


Shabbat 133B
II.1.
A. Suck [out the wound]:
B. Said R. Pappa, "A Surgeon who didn't suck out the wound - that is a source of danger, and we throw him out."
C. So what else is new? Obviously, since we are prepared to desecrate the Sabbath on that account, it is certainly dangerous not to do it!
D. What might you have supposed? That this blood is stored up. So we are informed that it is the result of the wound, and in the status of a bandage and cumin: Just as when one doesn't put on a bandage and cumin, there is danger, so here, too, if one doesn't do it, there is danger.
The Talmud of Babylonia: An American Translation
Translated by Jacob Neusner
Number 275. Volume II.E: Shabbat Chapters 18-24.
Program in Judaic Studies Brown University
Atlanta: Scholars Press. 1993. p. 45.




[The brackets in the quotes below are in the texts quoted.]
"There are three stages required for the performance of a ritually correct circumcision in Jewish law: the removal of the foreskin; the tearing of the underlying membraene so as to expose the glans completely; and the sucking away of the blood, m'tsitsah." Roger V. Pavey. The Kindest Cut of All. Bognor Regis, W. Sussex: New Horizon. 1981. pp. 87-88.

"The method to be adopted is laid down thus: 'One excises the foreskin, [that is] the entire skin covering the glans, so that the corona is laid bare. Afterwards, one tears with the finger-nail the soft membrane underneath the skin, turning it to the sides until the flesh of the glans appears. Thereafter, one sucks the membrane until the blood is extracted from the [more] remote places, so that no danger [to the infant] may ensue; and any circumciser who does not carry out the sucking procedure is to be removed [from his office].' . . . The operation itself, then, consists of three distinct acts: the excision of the prepuce; the laceration of the mucous membrane covering the glans; and the sucking of the blood from the interior of the wound." Immanuel Jakobovits. Jewish Medical Ethics: A Comparative and Historical Study of the Jewish Religious Attitude to Medicine and Its Practice. New York: Bloch Publishing Company. 1959. pp. 193-194.

"The baby cried, blood flowed on to his penis and - as the rabbi had predicted - Graham [the godfather] did not faint. The rabbi then bent over the baby and sucked the wound. I know this sounds awful, but it is part of the Jewish tradition. It's supposed to help the healing." Jack Shamash. "My Son on the Cutting Edge." Independent (London), no. 3,797 (Thursday, December 17, 1998): p. R8.

"And what of the practice of sucking the bleeding penis? While condemning the procedure, some physicians contend that it was used to stop bleeding.47 Not only is there little evidence for this theory, but it was also a largely ineffective method. Furthermore, even in antiquity, surgeons had better methods to stop bleeding, such as pressure, instruments, and medication.48 According to Dr. H. Speert (1953), Maimonides 'staunchly supported this procedure [sucking the bleeding penis] as a prophylactic measure against inflammation.'"49 Edward Wallerstein. Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy. New York: Springer Publishing Company. 1980. p. 160.

"mezizah -- Hebrew term for the third step in the Jewish circumcision ritual, in which the mohel applies his mouth to the freshly circumcised infant's penis and sucks up the first drops of blood. In more recent times this procedure has been carried out via a tube, as infections, venereal disease, and tuberculosis, sometimes resulting in the death of the infant, have occurred due to contamination of the wound. Most Jewish circumcisors today have eliminated this step from the circumcision ritual. Critics have attributed sadistic and homosexual implications to this practice, while defenders claim that this was simply all that was known during ancient times to stop the bleeding." Rosemary Romberg. Circumcision: The Painful Dilemma. South Hadley, Massachusetts: Bergin & Garvey, Publishers, Inc. 1985. p. 395.

"The traditional practice of metzitzah b'peh, which has its roots in the earliest history of the Jewish people and has survived unchanged to the present time, should be viewed with great respect. It is spoken of very positively in the Jewish literature on circumcision both as an essential part of the ritual and as a health measure which prevents infection and promotes healing." Henry C. Romberg, M.D. Bris Milah: A book about the Jewish ritual of circumcision. Jerusalem/New York: Feldheim Publishers. 1982. pp. 57-58.


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ayomide
12-02-2009, 11:09 PM
This thread sucks!

Who gives a 'F' if someone is cut or uncut! Only a small portion of the world is cut and it's such a turn off!

sophia_h
12-02-2009, 11:09 PM
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City Questions Circumcision Ritual After Baby Dies

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Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg met with Orthodox leaders and health officials at City Hall on Aug. 11 to discuss a practice that some rabbis consider integral to God's covenant with the Jews requiring circumcision.



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/26/nyregion/26circumcise.html?_r=2&ex=1125720000&en=7f688eb83442b177&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin


By ANDY NEWMAN
Published: August 26, 2005

A circumcision ritual practiced by some Orthodox Jews has alarmed city health officials, who say it may have led to three cases of herpes - one of them fatal - in infants. But after months of meetings with Orthodox leaders, city officials have been unable to persuade them to abandon the practice.

The city's intervention has angered many Orthodox leaders, and the issue has left the city struggling to balance its mandate to protect public health with the constitutional guarantee of religious freedom.

"This is a very delicate area, so to speak," said Health Commissioner Thomas R. Frieden.

The practice is known as oral suction, or in Hebrew, metzitzah b'peh: after removing the foreskin of the penis, the practitioner, or mohel, sucks the blood from the wound to clean it.

It became a health issue after a boy in Staten Island and twins in Brooklyn, circumcised by the same mohel in 2003 and 2004, contracted Type-1 herpes. Most adults carry the disease, which causes the common cold sore, but it can be life-threatening for infants. One of the twins died.

Since February, the mohel, Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer, 57, has been under court order not to perform the ritual in New York City while the health department is investigating whether he spread the infection to the infants.

Pressure from Orthodox leaders on the issue led Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and health officials to meet with them on Aug. 11. The mayor's comments on his radio program the next day seemed meant to soothe all parties and not upset a group that can be a formidable voting bloc: "We're going to do a study, and make sure that everybody is safe and at the same time, it is not the government's business to tell people how to practice their religion."

The health department, after the meeting, reiterated that it did not intend to ban or regulate oral suction. But Dr. Frieden has said that the city is taking this approach partly because any broad rule would be virtually unenforceable. Circumcision generally takes place in private homes.

Dr. Frieden said the department regarded herpes transmission via oral suction as "somewhat inevitable to occur as long as this practice continues, if at a very low rate."

The use of suction to stop bleeding dates back centuries and is mentioned in the Talmud. The safety of direct oral contact has been questioned since the 19th century, and many Orthodox and nearly all non-Orthodox Jews have abandoned it. Dr. Frieden said he hoped the rabbis would voluntarily switch to suctioning the blood through a tube, an alternative endorsed by the Rabbinical Council of America, the largest group of Orthodox rabbis.

But the most traditionalist groups, including many Hasidic sects in New York, consider oral suction integral to God's covenant with the Jews requiring circumcision, and they have no intention of stopping.

"The Orthodox Jewish community will continue the practice that has been practiced for over 5,000 years," said Rabbi David Niederman of the United Jewish Organization in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, after the meeting with the mayor. "We do not change. And we will not change."

David Zwiebel, executive vice president of Agudath Israel, an umbrella organization of Orthodox Jews, said that metzitzah b'peh is probably performed more than 2,000 times a year in New York City.

The potential risks of oral suction, however, are not confined to Orthodox communities. Dr. Frieden said in March that the health department had fielded several calls from panicked non-Orthodox parents who had hired Hasidic mohels unaware of what their services entailed.

Defenders of oral suction say there is no proof that it spreads herpes at all. They say that mohels use antiseptic mouthwash before performing oral suction, and that the known incidence of herpes among infants who have undergone it is minuscule. (The city's health department recorded cases in 1988 and 1998, though doctors in New York, as in most states, are not required to report neonatal herpes.)

Dr. Kenneth I. Glassberg, past president of the New York section of the American Urological Association and director of pediatric urology at Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-Presbyterian, said that while he found oral suction "personally displeasing," he did not recommend that rabbis stop using it.

"If I knew something caused a problem from a medical point of view," said Dr. Glassberg, whose private practice includes many Hasidic families, "I would recommend against it."

But Rabbi Moshe Tendler, a microbiologist and professor of Talmud and medical ethics at Yeshiva University, said that metzitzah b'peh violates Jewish law.

"The rule that's above all rules in the Torah is that you cannot expose or accept a risk to health unless there is true justification for it," said Dr. Tendler, co-author of a 2004 article in the journal Pediatrics that said direct contact posed a serious risk of infection.

"Now there have been several cases of herpes in the metro area," he said. "Whether it can be directly associated with this mohel nobody knows. All we're talking about now is presumptive evidence, and on that alone it would be improper according to Jewish law to do oral suction."

The inconsistent treatment of Rabbi Fischer himself indicates the confusion metzitzah b'peh has sown among health authorities, who typically regulate circumcisions by doctors but not religious practitioners.

In Rockland County, where Rabbi Fischer lives in the Hasidic community of Monsey, he has been barred from performing oral suction. But the state health department retracted a request it had made to Rabbi Fischer to stop the practice. And in New Jersey, where Rabbi Fischer has done some of his 12,000 circumcisions, the health authorities have been silent.

Rabbi Fischer's lawyer, Mark J. Kurzmann, said that absent conclusive proof that the rabbi had spread herpes, he should be allowed to continue the practice. Rabbi Fischer said through Mr. Kurzmann that the twin who died and the Staten Island boy both had herpes-like rashes before they were circumcised and were seen by a pediatrician who approved their circumcision. The health department declined to comment on its investigation.

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nambo
15-02-2009, 12:19 AM
If You read Pauls words in the New Testament to the various congregations, you will find many explainations of the circumcision and its relationship to the true seed of Abraham.

Namely, that Abraham showed faith and was given "the Promise" whilst in a state of un-circumcision.
And that the true seed of Abraham are those who have the voluntary circumcision of the heart via the faith that Abraham had, rather than by the required by law circumcision of the flesh the Jews have.

And like it says, "flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods Kingdom".

rhydra
15-02-2009, 12:40 AM
People take religion too far, religions seem to get stuck in a certain era and just stay there until they die. There are many Jews who don't believe in circumcision, many Muslims don't now, am I correct in assuming that the Shias don't practise it or I might have a memory error.
But the thing is, religion seems to take over some people lives too much, they allow it to take over and instead of following a religion they become their religion.
I have given up even thinking about demons, the threat of demons is so common, demons are said to take over uncircumcised boys (and girls sadly), people who listen to rock and roll, people who eat fish on Sundays, (or is that the other way around?), gays/lesbians, adulterers, unmaried cohabitees, people who don't use the missionary position ad nausium.

lycan
16-02-2009, 10:25 PM
Im uncut, and if some one want to cut my skin off,they better make sure they cut me first as i will take more off them.

rewind_bo
17-02-2009, 12:59 PM
I remember a few years ago watching an american TV show about an English guy living in America.

He was having a shower and all the Americans were making fun of him for still having his foreskin. Being from the UK myself i just assumed it was the norm for people to still have the foreskin - whereas in the show they made it out to be a European thing to keep your foreskin.

I remember them all saying it looked like an Ant-eater :)

eternal_spirit
17-02-2009, 05:12 PM
Man that's crazy story rewind bo

We are a group of educated and enlightened Jews who realize that the barbaric, primitive, torturous, and mutilating practice of circumcision has no place in modern Judaism.
Rabbi Moses Maimonides (http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/jewish.htm) himself acknowledged that circumcision is done to desensitize the penis and curb masturbation.
Jews are some of the smartest people in the world. We are 1/3rd of 1% of the population, yet we hold 33% of Nobel prizes. We are smart enough to understand that mutilating a little boys' penis is not an acceptable practice in modern times.
http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

sophia_h
17-02-2009, 05:37 PM
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hoo set up the Noble Prize and controls who receives it

same as the Academy Awards and a laundry list

what is Alfred Nobles background?

jus askin...

:D






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angel wings
17-02-2009, 07:22 PM
I've always wondered why people take place in this ritual known as circumcision, its even more disturbing when people plainly believe its for cleansiness - I've never brought this and always thought there was more to it.


Delbert Blair is the 1st person who I've seen target this issue - you can watch the videos posted here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51961

eternal_spirit
17-02-2009, 09:21 PM
are you cut or uncut eternal?

I'm natural.

Couldn't think of how to word the thread title though.


B'nai B'rith means "Sons of the Covenant" or "the Cut" (Circumcision Covenant) B'nai B'rith is Hebrew for Sons of the Covenant, and the covenant that God made with Abraham, the first Jew, and afterward renewed with Moses, is the central and deathless theme and constitution of Judaism. --B'NAI B'RITH: The Story of a Covenant, by Edward E. Grusd, Editor of National Jewish Monthly, Appleton-Century/Affiliate of Meredith Press, 1966, New York, p. 19.
This Covenant is repeated several times in the Bible, notably in Deuteronomy 5: 1-3: "And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them . . . The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day." And again, in Isaiah 59:21: "As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not de-part out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and forever." --B'NAI B'RITH: The Story of a Covenant, by Edward E. Grusd, Editor of National Jewish Monthly, Appleton-Century/Affiliate of Meredith Press, 1966, New York, p. 19.
Menorah Chosen as the B'nai B'rith Symbol because it Stood for 'Light" (also, the symbol of Lucifer or Satan, because Lucens stands for "Light" and Ferens for "Fallen"-e.g., Satan, "The Fallen Light" or "He Who Fell from Heaven Via His Rebellion Against God" which are Masonic Concepts.


And at that second meeting [1843 B'nai B'rith beginning meetings], or soon after, the founders adopted the menorah-the seven-branched cande-labrum-as B'nai B'rith's symbol, not only because the original menorah stood in the ancient Temple in Jeru-salem, but because it is the symbol of light. --B'NAI B'RITH: The Story of a Covenant, by Edward E. Grusd, Editor of National Jewish Monthly, Appleton-Century/Affiliate of Meredith Press, 1966, New York, p. 19.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=727601&postcount=13

eternal_spirit
17-02-2009, 09:29 PM
I've always wondered why people take place in this ritual known as circumcision, its even more disturbing when people plainly believe its for cleansiness - I've never brought this and always thought there was more to it.


Delbert Blair is the 1st person who I've seen target this issue - you can watch the videos posted here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51961


You're right there is no rightful reason, only in extremley rare medical conditions.

I don't buy this from the link

5. Male circumcision originally introduced to allow the penis to develop fully and encourage more male births as the reproduction of that time was almost nil.

It doesn't make sense

14. "Mandkind" came from the lords of diffrerent planets, are souless and cannot reproduce

neither does the latter part of that. On second thoughts it does and is on topic

delamo1999
17-02-2009, 09:51 PM
I've always wondered why people take place in this ritual known as circumcision, its even more disturbing when people plainly believe its for cleansiness - I've never brought this and always thought there was more to it.


Delbert Blair is the 1st person who I've seen target this issue - you can watch the videos posted here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51961

Pardon me for being rude, but many people are really stupid in regards to this. And shows like the one that was mentioned in another post do not help the matter. Many people believe the crap that is fed to them about the proceedure.

I remember when my nephew was born many years ago. I tried to talk some sense into my sister, but she quickly shut me down basically telling me that I don't know what I am talking about.

It is utter bullshit that people think that the baby boy will not be traumaticed by have the most sensative part of his body cut when he is one day old. I believe that these memories just get buried as he gets older and do sometimes surface.

To me this practice is outdated, cruel, and barbaric.

:(

grachtengordel
17-02-2009, 10:10 PM
Some priests would have the whole penis chopped off as a sacrificeto their deity, God etc. So they couldn't be tempted by the pleasures of the flesh (sacrifice the pleasure) and concentrate on more mundane aspects

like how to have a piss.

One would think it was the other way around? A blood ritual of cutting part of a penis off would attract demons.

For sure. Circumsicion is a fiendish practice, sexual abuse, torture and mutilation of an infant. indefensable. how any human being could iinflicty such perversion on another, especially an infant, is beyond me. The trauma starts young.

Isn't it an ancient egyption practice of marking slaves, like a brand, so a pharoah could identify his property?

"takes some wine in his mouth and applies his lips to the part involved in the operation, and exerts suction, after which he expels the mixture of wine and blood into a receptacle provided."

What The Jewish Encyclopedia does not tell us is that this mixture of wine and blood is then drunk by the rabbi, as a great delicacy.

I feel like vomiting now. i forgot about that part. I did read somewhere about one case in U.S. where 3 babies died of syphilis and they traced it back to the rabbi who did the circumsicon with the mouth thing.

grachtengordel
17-02-2009, 10:21 PM
are you cut or uncut eternal?

holy shit. I just realised something. you are gay aren't you ayomide? so is the term 'cut' or 'uncut' like a common slang? so when the BBC calls one of its most heavily promoted chat shows 'graham norton UNCUT' , they are making a private in-joke about him being a catholic or 'uncut' , unlike most people who work at the bbc who would 'get' that joke.

eternal_spirit
17-02-2009, 10:28 PM
grachtengordel
like how to have a piss.

Talmud quote
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.:D

Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."


Isn't it an ancient egyption practice of marking slaves, like a brand, so a pharoah could identify his property?
Could be. Also to indentify a tribe or religion.

rewind_bo
18-02-2009, 03:51 PM
anyone here (or know anyone) who has been circumcised later in life? sex any worse? (probably better for the woman as u would last longer ha ha)

thankyoudave
18-02-2009, 04:19 PM
"Circumcised(are of God)uncut(controlled by demons)"

If thats the case why are so many cut blokes involved in the ungodly profession known as pornography?

If the point of circumcision was to reduce sexual desire in blokes it isnt working very well, particularly in the US where something like 80% are cut.

eternal_spirit
18-02-2009, 04:24 PM
anyone here (or know anyone) who has been circumcised later in life? sex any worse? (probably better for the woman as u would last longer ha ha)

Muslim converts. It's part of the initiation into Islam. Last longer, another urban myth and disinfo to encourage people to have the cut:rolleyes:

Like the othe lie, you've got more chance of getting cancer of the penis uncut. :(

quysant
18-02-2009, 04:35 PM
anyone here (or know anyone) who has been circumcised later in life? sex any worse? (probably better for the woman as u would last longer ha ha)



Does a circumcised man, really know what he is missing? I don't think so. After all, if one has never been in Hawaii, so how could it be possible for one to miss Hawaii?

According to one man who was circumcised as an adult, "sex without a foreskin is like sight without color". Those who have not seen in color cannot appreciate what is lost."

Does a circumcised man, really know what he is missing? I don't think so. After all, if one has never been in Heaven, so how could it be possible for one to miss Heaven?

If you have been circumcised as a child you have two basic options:

1] Hate both your penis and your parents.

2] Convince yourself that you prefer it that way.

Certainly all primates have foreskins, male and female, the foreskin (prepuce) has a history of providing protection and sexual pleasure to primates for over 65 million years.

The foreskin causes as much "filth" to the body as your mouth causes. Do you brush your teeth and clean your tongue everyday or should you have your mouth removed?

The foreskin contains several kinds of specialized nerve endings, it indeed provides excellent, if peripheral, sensitivity for the penile head (glans) and shaft. Also, the foreskin protects the glans from abrasion and contact with clothes. Without the foreskin the glans skin, which is normally moist, mucous membrane, becomes dry, insensitive, and thickens considerably in response to continued exposure (think of the thick skin of your heel compared to your sensitive lip skin).

philidor
18-02-2009, 06:16 PM
Adonai Yahweh El Shaddai link click here (http://dclwolf.homestead.com/Yahweh.html)
"Adonai Yahweh El Shaddai. My people shall know Me by name. Yahweh is Lord! ... Adonai Yahweh. El Shaddai. El Elyon Elohim. El Elyon Elohim. Lord Lord ..."
dclwolf.homestead.com/Yahweh.html


Yep, more ignorant pieces of shit calling their fellow Human "dogs" because of completely man made artificial distinctions such as christian/Heathen, etc.

Yahweh/Adonai/El/Shaddai is a fucking dog who gets raped up the ass by The Flying Speghetti monster :D

lightgiver
19-02-2009, 01:03 AM
Interesting,

My cousin from my fathers side ie My aunties son,was circumcised,and went off the rails attempted suicide,drugs,heroin addiction and loads of other nasty substances,:(

Me,not circumcised,not done to bad and quite spiritual.;)

and apparently uncircumcised please their partners better when making love :)

and circumcised have lower stimulation due to the head of the penis being desensitised,maybe one advantage,they are less cheesy :D:D but i have heard the French like it strong and smelly;)

so that is one experience,and no demons are getting me,they have tried and failed,but i am sure they will try again ;):D

Interesting thread ES:D

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/circumcision/PR00040

I suppose there are Pros and cons to both skins,but if we were meant not to have one surely we would be born without it?

Parents though who do not have their sons circumcised should teach their children to pull the foreskin back and clean it on a regular basis starting at an early age,so this prevents problems in later life, IE teenage years.

rewind_bo
19-02-2009, 03:46 PM
Muslim converts. It's part of the initiation into Islam. Last longer, another urban myth and disinfo to encourage people to have the cut:rolleyes:

Like the othe lie, you've got more chance of getting cancer of the penis uncut. :(

i dunno - suppose if you didnt have the most sensitive part then you would last longer - but i do have to get to sleep some time :)

eternal_spirit
19-02-2009, 03:52 PM
i dunno - suppose if you didnt have the most sensitive part then you would last longer - but i do have to get to sleep some time :)
ok:)

lightgiver
I suppose there are Pros and cons to both skins,but if we were meant not to have one surely we would be born without it?
There are no pros.
Exactly would you cut part of your ears off to improve them?:(

lightgiver
19-02-2009, 10:33 PM
ok:)


There are no pros.
Exactly would you cut part of your ears off to improve them?:(

But do people not have free will :confused: if you read properly did i not say if you were meant to have no 4 skin then would you not be born without one?

Tetchy tetchy ES ;):D

What about the Amazon tribes who stick bones through their noses and the rest ,these are just ancient traditions,each to their own.

Have you never had any bad habits?

what about those who put big holes through their ears :eek: it may be sexy to them or fashionable.

You need to chill ES.:)

and my ears are small and cute, and i would change nothing of myself as i am perfect apart from being subject to old age sickness and death.;):D

angel wings
20-02-2009, 10:39 PM
Pardon me for being rude, but many people are really stupid in regards to this. And shows like the one that was mentioned in another post do not help the matter. Many people believe the crap that is fed to them about the proceedure.

I remember when my nephew was born many years ago. I tried to talk some sense into my sister, but she quickly shut me down basically telling me that I don't know what I am talking about.

It is utter bullshit that people think that the baby boy will not be traumaticed by have the most sensative part of his body cut when he is one day old. I believe that these memories just get buried as he gets older and do sometimes surface.

To me this practice is outdated, cruel, and barbaric.

:(

Not to worry, I don't think you were rude at all and to be honest I 100% agree.