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solve_et_coagula
06-02-2009, 02:01 PM
JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE

by: Rabbi Moses Jakubowicz
15 May 2008

During the Middle Ages, the Jewish people suffered many a time from fanatically religious governments who expelled or killed whoever refused to adhere to their religious belief. In the modern era, the Jewish people suffer due to the world’s misunderstanding of the distinction between Judaism and Zionism.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. Throughout history, whoever joined the Jewish religion was called a Jew, no matter what his race, and whoever abandoned the Holy Torah was not considered a Jew. In fact, the biggest names in Jewish history were converts or descendants of converts: King David, Zipporah, Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Meir, Shmaya and Avtalyon.

The proponents of Zionism, for their own political and financial advantage, have transformed the Jewish religion into a race. Similarly, they have taken the Torah, a book of Divine law which teaches fairness, peace and piety, and transformed it into a vehicle for their political goals, a source for their claims to a piece of land. These claims took their latest form this week, when, to our sorrow, the Zionist falsification was brought to the world’s eyes by the media.

President Bush is visiting the State of Israel, and several rabbis of the extremist Zionist settler community have penned a letter to the President, asking him to stop putting pressure on the Israeli leadership to make land concessions to the Palestinian Authority.

The letter read in part:

"It is totally presumptuous that while the US fights terror, it pressures Israel to make concessions to terrorists! In the name of the people of Israel, the Land of Israel, the Torah of Israel and the G-d of Israel, we demand that his honor the president cease the pressure on the State to hand lands to the Arabs… Honorable President, you must not be remembered in history as Nebuchadnezzar and Titus who destroyed Jerusalem. You must surely remember that American does not benefit from causing damage, Heaven forbid, to the Jewish people and its land. If you help the wholeness of our holy land, we promise you and your country endless blessings."

Signed: Dov Lior, David Druckman, Yaakov Yosef, Shmuel Eliyahu and Shalom Dov Wolpe.

The writers of this letter call themselves rabbis and speak in the name of the Jewish religion, but the world must not allow itself to be fooled. They are radical politicians and militants advancing their own agenda, for which they are distorting the Holy Torah and by doing so they are jeopardizing the Jewish people in the entire world as the Zionists did in the Second World War.

We look forward to the Messianic Era, when Jerusalem will be "a house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7)

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/newsletters/RJ20080516.cfm

magickman
23-02-2009, 07:04 PM
I agree with your post, solve_et_coagula, and hello, friend! Good to see you here. Magickman

madthumbs
26-02-2009, 03:42 PM
It's a racist, barbaric, genocidal, slavery promoting, and rape approving religion just like Christianity.

alexc
26-02-2009, 08:04 PM
It's both.

To make things even more complex, you can be racially Jewish without being religiously Jewish (Jews for Jesus for example) or Religiously Jewish without being racially Jewish (Sammy Davis Jr.)

solve_et_coagula
27-02-2009, 10:03 AM
It's both.

To make things even more complex, you can be racially Jewish without being religiously Jewish (Jews for Jesus for example) or Religiously Jewish without being racially Jewish (Sammy Davis Jr.)

Funny, that you mention Sammy Davis Jr., a self-confessed member of the Church of Satan:

http://celebrities.adoption.com/famous/sammy-davis-jr..html

alexc
27-02-2009, 03:33 PM
Funny, that you mention Sammy Davis Jr., a self-confessed member of the Church of Satan:

http://celebrities.adoption.com/famous/sammy-davis-jr..html

I didn't know that. I'd thought he'd just rejected Christ by converting to Judaism, not that he'd rejected God completely by becoming a Satanist!

madthumbs
28-02-2009, 04:55 AM
It's both.

To make things even more complex, you can be racially Jewish without being religiously Jewish (Jews for Jesus for example) or Religiously Jewish without being racially Jewish (Sammy Davis Jr.)

Because you say so? What are the defining characteristics of a racial Jew? :rolleyes:

rhydra
28-02-2009, 11:18 AM
I didn't know that. I'd thought he'd just rejected Christ by converting to Judaism, not that he'd rejected God completely by becoming a Satanist!

I thought to accept Satan you have to acknowledge Satan as an opposite to God thus accepting God exists but rejecting him?:confused:

size_of_light
28-02-2009, 11:22 AM
To make things even more complex, you can be racially Jewish without being religiously Jewish (Jews for Jesus for example) or Religiously Jewish without being racially Jewish (Sammy Davis Jr.)

That's just fucking ridiculous.

phildee3
28-02-2009, 11:48 AM
you can be racially Jewish without being religiously Jewish (Jews for Jesus for example) or Religiously Jewish without being racially Jewish (Sammy Davis Jr.)



This is correct.
There are religious Jews and there are ethnic Jews.
One does not necessarily have to be one to be the other.

However, the OP is also correct. Judaism is a religion.
It is the religion of religious Jews

(ie. there is no such thing as "ethnic Judaism").

phildee3
28-02-2009, 11:51 AM
What are the defining characteristics of a racial Jew?



One who is a descendent of Judah
(one of Jacob's twelve sons).

phildee3
28-02-2009, 12:03 PM
Funny, that you mention Sammy Davis Jr., a self-confessed member of the Church of Satan:

http://celebrities.adoption.com/famous/sammy-davis-jr..html



Sammy Davis Jr. converted to Judaism in 1954.
He joined Anton LaVay's "Church of Satan" in the early '70s.
I don't know if he rejected Judaism at that time, or if he was "excommunicated" at all, but I don't think that one would necessarily have to, would they?

madthumbs
28-02-2009, 04:01 PM
One who is a descendent of Judah
(one of Jacob's twelve sons).

Being a descendant of someone doesn't make a race.

phildee3
28-02-2009, 04:36 PM
Being a descendant of someone doesn't make a race.



I sort of agree with you.
That's why I prefer "ethnic Jews."
Certainly, the word race is normally used in a broader sense.

However, the dictionary says it can be used in the sense we are using it here:

race 1 (rs)
n.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Race