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dell66759
22-06-2007, 09:41 PM
www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

Here you can download a movie exoposing holohoax. If you suffer from believing in holohoax this movie will cure it

For the real holocaust see Allied (jew controlled) bombing of Dresden (Germany) in WW2

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/war/dresden-index.html

december
22-06-2007, 11:36 PM
There were MANY tens of millions of people of different nationalities who died during the Second World War, but only the Jews decided to make money from the tragic events of WWII.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/img/nf_side_hi_186.gif

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Austria - Population 1939 - 6,653,000;
Total deaths - 105,500

Canada - Population 1939 - 11,267,000
Total deaths - 45,300

China - Population 1939 - 517,568,000
Total deaths - 19,605,000

Czechoslovakia - Population 1939 - 15,300,000
Total deaths - 345,000

Denmark - Population 1939 - 3,795,000
Total deaths - 3,200

France - Population 1939 - 41,700,000
Total deaths - 562,000

Germany - Population 1939 - 69,623,000
Total deaths - 7,503,000

Greece - Population 1939 - 7,222,000
Total deaths - 311,300

Hungary - Population 1939 - 9,129,000
Total deaths - 580,000

India - Population 1939 - 378,000,000
Total deaths - 1,587,000

Indonesia - Population 1939 - 69,435,000
Total deaths - 4,000,000

Italy - Population 1939 - 44,394,000
Total deaths - 459,500

Japan - Population 1939 - 71,380,000
Total deaths - 2,621,000

Latvia - Population 1939 - 1,995,000
Total deaths - 227,000

Lithuania - Population 1939 - 2,575,000
Total deaths - 353,000

Netherlands - Population 1939 - 8,729,000
Total deaths - 202,800

Poland - Population 1939 - 27,007,000
Total deaths - 5,000,000

Romania - Population 1939 - 19,934,000
Total deaths - 833,000

Soviet Union - Population 1939 - 175,500,000
Total deaths - 23,600,000

United Kingdom - Population 1939 - 47,760,000
Total deaths - 450,400

United States - Population 1939 - 131,028,000
Total deaths - 418,500

Yugoslavia - Population 1939 - 15,400,000
Total deaths - 1,027,000

Totals - Population 1939 - 1,961,071,000.
Total deaths - 72,155,800

For the number of deaths in other countries go to -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Casualties_by_country

raffles
22-06-2007, 11:51 PM
Watched this a few months ago, its very long around 4 hours, but it does show what a total scam the so called jewish holocaust was.

december
23-06-2007, 12:23 AM
Watched this a few months ago, its very long around 4 hours, but it does show what a total scam the so called jewish holocaust was.

I think to some Jews it doesn't even matter for as long as they make people think that the Second World War was about killing the Jews....

Why is it the Russians don't scream about their 20 million PLUS people who died during the WWII?

Why we NEVER here about 20 million Chinese deaths?

Why is it ONLY THE JEWS want everyone to know about their sufferings during WWII? Are the Jews chasing people with their stories TO GET MONEY?

Is that it?

raffles
23-06-2007, 01:08 AM
I think to some Jews it doesn't even matter for as long as they make people think that the Second World War was about killing the Jews....

Why is it the Russians don't scream about their 20 million PLUS people who died during the WWII?

Why we NEVER here about 20 million Chinese deaths?

Why is it ONLY THE JEWS want everyone to know about their sufferings during WWII? Are the Jews chasing people with their stories TO GET MONEY?

Is that it?


Some very good questions there December.

Not sure myself to be honest.

Ive been looking into this subject for a few months now, theres a few theorys out there, one is that the holocaust was set up to found isreal.

december
23-06-2007, 02:14 AM
...the holocaust was set up to found isreal.

What do you mean by "holocaust was set up"? What holocaust?
As I said before - many tens of millions of people of DIFFERENT NATIONALITES died during WWII, but only the Jews pushing their stories today.

See, even you think that the Second World War was about killing of the Jews (holocaust).

In USA if you start a conversation about WWII the very first thing most Americans say is - "Oh... Yeah.. I know... It was the time when Hitler killed six million Jews".

That's all they know.

Well, some Americans might add a word or two about the D-Day and how the WWII was won thanks to them. Sure...

There were programs on the History Channel about the D-Day where the same two questions were asked time and again - "Did the the Allies know about the Auschwitz camp where the Nazis had been killing the Jews?
And if they did, could the Allies make it there faster to save the Jews"?...

I mean.... Can you believe this kind of propaganda?..

If things are going the way they are today then in the future the history books and encyclopedias will tell people that the WWII was started by Stalin and Hitler just because they hated the Jews....

So, forget about other nations, and remember only the Jews.

december
23-06-2007, 03:23 AM
...the holocaust was set up to found isreal.

Well, considering the fact that the head of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, founder of Nazi ideology and editor in chief of daily Nazi paper "Völkischer Beobachter" was a Jew (Alfred Rosenberg), we can say that the events could be manipulated...

http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/aa4/alfred_rosenberg.jpg

Jew Alfred Rosenberg - head of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories.

And in the book Hiltler's Jewish Soldiers on page 258 we can find this information:

Some (Jews) ran consentration camps.

SS-Obersturmfuhrer Fritz Scherwitz (real name Eleke Sirewiz), a Jew and Nazi Party member, controlled the concentration camp at Lenta outside Riga and was responsible for sending Jews to their deaths. Witnesses claimed that he personally took part in the killing of two hundred Jews in Riga on October 1942 and raped several women.

After the war, he worked in a Munich organization that helped Jews recover property..."


In case you wonder how many Jews and half-Jews served in Wehrmacht (German Army) during WWII here's the asnwer -

Bryan Mark Rigg (the author of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers) explains:

"Although it is incredibly difficult to determine definitively the actual number of Mischlinge who served in the Wehrmacht during Hitler's rule, I estimate that at least 150.000 did so."

"Hitler's Jewish Soldiers", page 51.


Source -

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righit.jpg

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Also, check out this book -

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tickles
23-06-2007, 04:43 AM
Great thread December.
As you said, a lot of people died but all we ever hear about is the poor ol fucking jews!. Its not the every day jew that wants to remind us of it, its the zionist pigs.

intruder
23-06-2007, 03:43 PM
What makes Eli Roth produce Hostel 1 and 2? Could you imagine if the Germans had a propensity to produce overtly graphic ritual torture films how that would be used against them as an expose of their inherently evil mind set.

dell66759
23-06-2007, 07:18 PM
Yes I agree. One of the reason for inventing holocaust hoax was to manipaulate world into feeling sorry for the 'poor opressed' jews
and to give them the Palestine. There are also other reasons. It shields jews as a whole from any blame for the many otrocities they have been commiting all over the world. In other words don't you dare critisize jews, after all don't you remeber what happened to them ? Also don't forget the billions of dollars in reperation they are receiving from the Germans. Basically a lot of good things come out of holocaust hoax for the jews. I believe this hoax is one of the main pillars if not the main upon which the Jew World Order consiracy stands. I think it's time to bring it down.

december
23-06-2007, 07:18 PM
Great thread December.
As you said, a lot of people died but all we ever hear about is the poor ol fucking jews!. Its not the every day jew that wants to remind us of it, its the zionist pigs.

Hello, tickles.
I don't think it is correct to use profanity to describe the actions of the Jews after the Second World War.
However, we really need to ask one simple question - WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THE SUFFERINGS OF ONLY ONE NATION/GROUP OF PEOPLE?

I think there is an etempt to make new generations to believe that the WWII was only about them - the Jews.
They want us to belive that it is only them - the Jews - who suffered during that horrific war.

But what about the holocaust of the German people? Why is it the Germans are not chasing people with their stories to get the money?

In in the night of February 14/15, 1945 Dresden was immersed by a firestorm of bombs of the allied forces. During this night 1299 bomber aircraft drop down a total weight of 3,906.9 tons of bombs on different targets at the city area of Dresden. The Americans employed 953.3 tons of high explosive bombs and 294.3 tons of incendiary bombs--all aimed at the Dresden Marshalling Yards. The British employed 1477.7 tons of high explosive bombs and 1181.6 tons of incendiary bombs--all aimed against the Dresden city area.

http://www.praktica-collector.de/images/Dresden_1945.jpg

http://www.praktica-collector.de/images/Dresden_1945_02.jpg



Dresden City after February 15, 1945

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http://www.fuer-deutschland.net/S-1/gif__02--3__DRESDEN-s_LEICHEN_TRUMMER__gross.jpg


There were MANY tens of millions of people of different nationalities who died during the Second World War, but only the Jews decided to make money from the tragic events of WWII.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/img/nf_side_hi_186.gif

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hagbard_celine
23-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Yes I agree. One of the reason for inventing holocaust hoax was to manipaulate world into feeling sorry for the 'poor opressed' jews
and to give them the Palestine. There are also other reasons. It shields jews as a whole from any blame for the many otrocities they have been commiting all over the world. In other words don't you dare critisize jews, after all don't you remeber what happened to them ? Also don't forget the billions of dollars in reperation they are receiving from the Germans. Basically a lot of good things come out of holocaust hoax for the jews. I believe this hoax is one of the main pillars if not the main upon which the Jew World Order consiracy stands. I think it's time to bring it down.

Yes, would Israel exist if it wasn't for the official story of the Holocaust?

Personally I don't doubt that the Holocaust has been exaggerated and sensationalized out of all proportion to further the Zionist cause, but I find it hard to believe that nobody at all was deliberately killed. I've seen the film where that Australian guy goes round Auschwitz showin that the "gas chambers" were just ordinary rooms with ordinary doors and windows, complete with toilets and baths; and that the crematorium couldn't possibly have coped with all the alleged victims (One of the men who made a note of this was a young Jew called David Cole, who later received death threats!). But there are so many people who say that they've been there and witnessed mass murder of undersirables by the SS too many to all be liars. Remember Auschwitz was not the only camp. There were many others that were destroyed. Treblinka today is just an open field in the Polish countryside.

I think it's a good idea to have a Holocaust Memorial Day, but it should be a day to remember all holcausts, not just this one. (Why is the Jewish one so special? Why is it that when some Gyspsies and blacks turned up at the last memorial in Auschwitz, the Jewish organizers turned them away?) There are countless examples of holocausts. As December rightly pointed out, the British and American blitz on Germany counts as one. The Jewish Holocaust in Germany is not the biggest and worst, even if the whole official story of it is true; which it ain't.

december
24-06-2007, 08:37 PM
Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

By P. Samuel Foner
The Spotlight
Volume XIX, Number 2
5-31-4

In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union - apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.

What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.

With this admission by none other than the respected head of the Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations since WWII are based.

It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 - amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical and rail systems...all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of 2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)

Germany is paying 'reparations' - the the United States is making major contributions - to atone for the 'gassings at Auschwitz' and elsewhere. If the 'homicidal gas chambers' were postwar creations of the Soviets, in which no one was gassed regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin, then these 'reparations' were unnecessary, and were based on fraud.

The videotape on which Dr. Piper makes his revelations was made in mid-1992 by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole and follows 12 years of intensive investigation by dozens of historians, journalists and scientists who have tried to get to the bottom of what really happened at Auschwitz.

Like most Americans, since his youth, Cole had been instructed in the 'irrefutable fact' that mass homicidal gassings had taken place at Auschwitz. The number of those executed - also declared irrefutable - was 4.1 million.

Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988 which was followed with an official 're-evaluation' of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1 million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was intrigued.

Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention was made of the missing 3 million.

The Cole videotape interview proves that the people who run the Auschwitz State Museum had made a practice of fabricating 'proofs' of homicidal gassings. Keep in mind that over the years millions of tourists have been told that 'Krema 1' is in its original state, while officials knew that 'original state' is a ie.

The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie. It proves that what televangelists such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have been telling their flocks is simply not true.

No one, regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin was gassed to death in any building so designated at Auschwitz. And without 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz, where is the reasoning for the special treatment of the state of Israel?

Note - This is excerpted from the orginal, much longer article by P. Samuel Foner.



Comment
From Michael Rivero
5-31-4

Current events should make it clear that deceptions in support of a war are the rule rather than the exception throughout history. Looking at the post-WW2 climate, the need for a cause on which to base the formation of Israel was clear. Here the allies had waged war on Germany for invading other peoples' lands and taking them by force, and here those same allies were asked to reverse themselves and allow the exact same thing to happen in Palestine. Clearly, only a monstrous propaganda hoax would trick the same world which halted the Nazi's land grab into turning a blind eye to the same thing being done in Palestine.

Michael Rivero
What Really Happened.com



Comment
From Jim Mortellaro
Jsmortell@aol.com
5-31-4

When I read such as the above, I become angry. I want to hurl the lunatic who said it into the past to see what really did happen. No, I did not see what happened. But my aunt did. As did her brother, her mother, father, sister, uncles and aunts and cousins.

A family of Budapest Jews, taken from their homes, packed into cattle cars and hauled into a place called Auschwits. There, my aunt and her brother were the only survivors in a family of 93. Ninety-three human beings, men, women and children were starved to death, forced into hard labor and those who could not cut the mustard were gassed.

My uncle Mike, a Christian, and his fellow CIC Jewish CIC soldiers, liberated Olga's family from Auschwits and saw with their own eyes, the ovens, the gas chambers and the bodies stacked high, stripped not only of belongings but of all their humanity.

A hoax? Yes. But a hoax perpetrated by those who naysay a truth. And that truth will stand for as long as there are humans left to remember.

I abhor Zionism. I abhor what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. I abhor the fact that Israel is doing many of the same things the NAZI's did to them. But it _was_ done to them. Nothing can change that. Not the pap some people attempt to sell, which is tantamount to the worst kind of lying.

Remember. For in remembering, there should be something called humanity. Some in Israel have not remembered. And that will be their downfall.

Jim Mortellaro


Comment
Geoffrey Transom.
12-5-5

Jim Mortarello wrote:

"My uncle Mike, a Christian, and his fellow CIC Jewish CIC soldiers, liberated Olga's family from Auschwits and saw with their own eyes, the ovens, the gas chambers and the bodies stacked high, stripped not only of belongings but of all their humanity."

That is bullshit, unless his uncle was serving with the SOVIET Army (the Soviets 'liberated' Auschwitz - on January 27th, 1945 - and it remained in the Soviet sector for the remainder of the Occupation). So it's not clear to me - again, unless tha guy was in the Red Army - that Mr Mortarello's uncle was in any posiion to make any eyewitness statements regarding Auschwitz.

This is something that the Holocaust Industry relies on heavily - that nobody will check the facts.

Regards,
Geoffrey Transom.


Comment
From Stephen Sterling
5-31-4

This makes perfect sense...exactly what Stalin would do and perfect for world Zionism to exploit. Read more about Zionism and its relations with Hitler and the Nazis.

http://www.rense.com/general36/colb.htm

I read the Leuchter Report. Everyone should and only THEN make their own decision. The horrors of the concentration camps defy description...death, murder, mass starvation, deadly epidemics which killed enormous numbers of people. By 1944, much of Germany was in near starvation and food supplies to camps would have been marginal. We should also keep in mind that Roosevelt and Churchill never ordered a single bombing raid to hit the rail lines leading to any of the major concentration and slave labor camps. Why? Furthermore, where is the worldwide lobby which mourns and memorializes the estimated 2-3 million Japanese civilians who were incinerated by American bombing? Or, the 50-60 million civilians that 'Uncle Joe' annihilated? On and on it goes. Death is death. All holocausts are equal.


Comment
From Sam Feldman
5-31-4

Dear Mr. Rense,

As I have heard you mention, Prof Finkelstein's book 'The Holocaust Industry' is must reading for anyone trying to honestly understand what has been done with the Holocaust as an instrument of profit.

Furthermore, Zionists are NOT the best friends of most of us Jews. Look what they have done to Israel. Look what they are doing to the Palestinians.

And if there is any doubt about their involvement in the Holocaust, I quote from Lenni Brenne in an article by Dr. Henry Makow, PhD, who is also a Jew:

According to Lenni Brenner's online book Zionism in the Age of Dictators (Ch.7), the Zionist party was the only other political party in Nazi Germany that enjoyed a measure of freedom, and could publish a newspaper. The reason: Zionists and Nazis had a common interest, making German Jews go to Palestine. (http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch07.htm)

History is not always what you'd expect.

There are more shocking examples in Brenner's book (Chapters 24 & 25).

For instance, in November 1942, Rabbi Michael Dov-Ber Weismandel, a Jewish activist in Slovakia approached Adoph Eichmann's representative, Dieter Wisliceny: "How much money would be needed for all the European Jews to be saved?" Wisliceny went to Berlin and returned with an answer. For a mere $2 million they could have all the Jews in Western Europe and the Balkans. Weismandel sent a courier to the World Zionist Organization in Switzerland. His request was refused. The official, Nathan Schwalb sent enough money to save only Weismandel and his cadre. He wrote:

"About the cries coming from your country, we should know that all the Allied nations are spilling much of their blood, and if we do not sacrifice any blood, by what right shall we merit coming before the bargaining table when they divide nations and lands at the war's end? ....for only with blood shall we get the land." (p.237)

Brenner writes that Zionism had come full turn. "Instead of Zionism being the hope of the Jews, their blood was to be the political salvation of Zionism" (p.238).

I urge your visitors to read the rest of the article by Dr. Makow:

http://www.rense.com/general31/zionist.htm

As he says, in one of the biggest understatements of all time: "History is not always what you'd expect."



Comment
From Rod
6-2-4

Jeff,

Re: recent Comment by stuborn people who refuse to look at the FACTS of WW2.

The Jewish folks were not the only people who suffered enourmously in WW2.

Let's remember and mourn equally those peoples who were invaded and bomb; cities full of people destroyed; the soldiers who fought and died on both side; the slave workers in production facilities and labor camps for the war effort in EVERY combatant country, the Japanese obliterated in Nagasaki and Hirosima and the 2-3 million other fire bombed to death by the US. Etcetera.

And by the way "we are not paying for someone else's ACTIONS"

So, get out of our WALLETS. We do not owe you anything for your individual suffering. Nor is my family going to toil to pay for your rich lawsuits..

The past is finished. GET OVER IT. THAT WAS THEN THIS IS NOW. WHO CARES. IT"S ANCIENT HISTORY. GET a NEW STORY. GET a NEW LIFE.

We are not slaves either. Nor are we obliged to pay for your imagined DEBTS.

You're not the ONLY victims.



Comment
From Hugh Joseph
6-3-4

Among the comments made to the above article was one by Jim Mortellaro who said:

"When I read such as the above, I become angry. I want to hurl the lunatic who said it into the past to see what really did happen. No, I did not see what happened. But my aunt did. As did her brother, her mother, father, sister, uncles and aunts and cousins."

This sounds very much like something Henry Makow said here recently. He made a statement that his Grandmother had been murdered by the Nazis. When I wrote him asking how he knew this, his response was an irritated "...maybe she fell down a well..the Nazis didn't issue death certificates." In other words he did not know the truth and didn't care to find out about it. Jews were gassed and that was all there was to it. That is not science. That is sentiment. Let us find out what actually happened. The whole world would be better off for it.

Where do we find that any inquiry into any other reported genocide is prohibited by law? If you wanted you could get up on a soapbox and loudly deny that black slavery took place, or that the Red Indian was genocided by the early Americans. You are even free to deny the Inquisition. Say that Pol Pot didn't kill millions of his own countrymen and few will bat an eyelid. Deny that Stalin killed over 50 million Christian Russians and you might even get some newly minted "free speech" award from Hustler or Playboy, or from the ADL, or ACLU. Please tell me why there must be legislation to prevent any discussion of the facts of what happened to Jews under Hitler in such countries as Canada, Austria and Germany? And while you're at it, can you explain why it is that we have nearly a dozen Jewish Holocaust museums here in the US, when the holocaust of Jews occured thousands of miles away, but not one serious museum devoted to the plight of either the Red Indian or the Black Man? Doesn't that bother you?

My own Great Grandparents suffered indescribably at the hands of certain people. Should I be looking for reparations from their descendants? Should I reserved a special place in my heart for hated of the perps? Should I go on exacting perpetual and eternal vengeance on the children of those who wronged my family? Or should I forgive them? I have nothing against the Jews, but the truth dictates that we carefully and scientifically study the crimes of the NS to understand what happened. If that means revising what we have been taught about the Jewish holocaust, then so be it. We must be forever servants of the truth. Why is that so scary to you?


Comment
Eric K.
6-2-4

Anytime a group of people makes such a clamor and noise over investigations into a matter, you can bet they have something to hide and are protecting a valuable gain. For far too long certain Jews have been squeezing the holocaust turnip for all its worth, and calling it blasphemy for anyone to make an inquiry. We're just supposed to sit down, shut up and hear the woe of Shoah!, and believe it. That's utterly ridiculous. And to wag a finger and shout "anti-semite!" anytime someone questions is a cheap trick. So exactly what ARE they hiding?

http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm