Mind programming that is Sexuality

[fratoue]

Heres something I genuinely believe is big programming that rarely gets mentioned is the whole notion of people being gay/straight/lesbian or bisexual.It pigeonholes a very complex subject that is sexuality and leads to ignorance of the highest calibre. Gays being discriminated or beaten up, lesbians being taunted and not allowed to adopt etc.

I personally believe none of these sexualities apply to people; I believe anybody can fancy anyone in certain circumstances and the notion that attraction or love to me being based on gender is absurd. I'll make a point to prove this. I have watched a few prison documentaries where a white Neo Nazi massive homophobe (the type who beats up "gays" on the outside) goes to prison and then develops a relationship with a man once inside. A proper caring relationship not a "you're my bitch" type and usually the other man in the relationship was a homophobe before he went in also!.This proves that even the most homophobic bigot can fancy men and the same goes for women.

In relation to straight men I belive they're preference is women but can they be attracted to men- Of course same goes for gay men, straight women, etc. Sexuality/attraction/lust isn't concerned with gender it can't be it's emotions/feeling it's like it's like any other emotion take anger you can be angry with both men and women to say you could never be angry with a man is insane. I think I've made my point here but I think sexuality of all things shouldn't be given titles like gay etc it's far too important of a thing to be putting people into certain categories.

Peace out.

[croatiancoffee]

I guess the whole reason why things like this happen is down to nature.

What would happen if right now, Women hooked up with Women only and Men hooked up with Men? Or rather, what would happen 70 years down the line?
Human race would be extinct, because of no reproduction.
Yeah, you can say something about sperm banks etc, but thats missing the point. We are designed in a way for "opposites" to meet with each other, rather than like with like.

Just the way the world is when you are born. No, it doesnt have to be like that.

[universal_]

I agree 100%.

Look at anywhere in nature....if u have 2 male cats or dogs as pets....and u see them trying to mate u will label them as gay....but put these same animals in nature with females and they would reproduce....so are they gay? bisexual? straight? ...neither.....I think it has to do with environment and whats available or who u feel comfortable bonding with...it could be a long term very straightforward decision to stick with one gender whether it be conditioning or whatever or it could be a question of environmental stimulus or lack of variety........regarding the jail example it had to do with lack of variety in the environment, however being human beings and having a need for bonding...they got along NATURALLY and developed a relationship without labeling.

[grachtengordel]

I have watched a few prison documentaries where a white Neo Nazi massive homophobe (the type who beats up "gays" on the outside) goes to prison and then develops a relationship with a man once inside.

he is just 'going home'. Nazi's are mostly homo, it is a homo ideology, 'uber-man' , male superiority, oppression of women.
Men who "beat up gays" or even 'beat up' anyone are usually homo, violence is a covert way of indulging in intimate physical contact with other males. The same guys who 'beat up' other men usually gravitate to other covert 'man-love' activities such as 'contact' 'sports' and male body worship/gymnasium based clubs and societies.
Men who beat up women are practicing homo ideology of domination and superiority of males.

A proper caring relationship not a "you're my bitch" type

interesting side note, the word PUNK has it's origins in U.S. prison 'culture' and refers to a 'weaker' inmate who gains the protection of a 'stronger' or more violent inmate by providing sexual favours.

Sexuality/attraction/lust isn't concerned with gender it can't be it's emotions/feeling it's like it's like any other emotion .

Lust is not an emotion. it is a drive, pre-programmed by nature

is HUNGER an emotion? NO is is not, eventually you will need to eat. now, 'some people' might say (copyright Fox 'News') that they have an 'emotional response' anchoured to food, but this is not thier pre-programmed need to eat

'homophobic' is a ridiculous word and an absurd concept, even the ADL don't stoop this low

[size_of_light]

Is this the best sort of shit you people can come up with to spend your time on?

Do people gay-bash in Western society anymore?

No.

Fuck.

Get over it.

[ayomide]

Is this the best sort of shit you people can come up with to spend your time on?

Do people gay-bash in Western society anymore?

No.

Fuck.

Get over it.

You would be suprised how rampant 'gay' bashing is in the West.

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As for the O.P - I enjoyed reading it and will be thinking about it.
We are androgynous by nature. And it all depends on what you feel comfortable with but you should not enforce it onto anyone else :-)

[size_of_light]

You would be suprised how rampant 'gay' bashing is in the West.

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As for the O.P - I enjoyed reading it and will be thinking about it.

Really?

On internet forums or in real life?

[sevenworlds]

Sex itself is a conditioned thing. Whether it is man to woman, man to man or woman to woman, the drive behind it is a craving to be yourself, to be whole. Celibacy isn't the answer though. There is nothing you can do to uncondition that desire.

Taking away sex, all that is left is the basic primal drive to continue the species. That is a part of what we call nature. Even that is still part of the illusion because all of nature springs out of nothing. So when you fuck someone, think about what you are actually fucking?

[ayomide]

Really?

On internet forums or in real life?

In real life not just on forums.

Take the USA for example - very christian and very homophobic - gay bashings happen often there - it's just swept under the carpet. The same as in the UK.

And may I ask you to not respond so brashly:)

[ayomide]

So when you fuck someone, think about what you are actually fucking?

You know how disgusting but sexy that sounds at the same time??:eek::D

[sevenworlds]

You know how disgusting but sexy that sounds at the same time??:eek::D

Here's an even better image... the whole world is basically masturbating itself.

[size_of_light]

In real life not just on forums.

Take the USA for example - very christian and very homophobic - gay bashings happen often there - it's just swept under the carpet. The same as in the UK.

And may I ask you to not respond so brashly:)

Bashings happen everywhere.

Do you think there's a disproportionate amount of gay-related bashings happening in America?

If so, they're surely on the decline.

Most people in Western countries (US, UK, Australia, New Zealand etc.) couldn't give a flying fuck if someone is gay, enough to react to that revelation with physical violence.

That's changed and improved immeasurably over the last 35 years, and will continue to do so.

What do you want?

What's the point of the OP?

I don't get it. An argument with nobody about sexuality that is nobody else's but your own.

Right. Move on.

There are more critical issues at hand than those endlessly regurgitated by people who retain unresolved issues about their own and others sexuality.

[ayomide]

Here's an even better image... the whole world is basically masturbating itself.

:eek:hahahahaahaha

[ayomide]

Bashings happen everywhere.

Do you think there's a disproportionate amount of gay-related bashings happening in America?

If so, they're surely on the decline.

Most people in Western countries (US, UK, Australia, New Zealand etc.) couldn't give a flying fuck if someone is gay, enough to react to that revelation with physical violence. That's changed and improved immeasurably over the lat 35 years, and will continue to do so.

What do you want?

What's the point of the OP?

I don't get it. An argument with nobody about sexuality that is nobody else's but your own.

Right. Move on.

There are more critical issues at hand than those who retain unresolved issues about their own and others sexuality.

Sweety I am aware of gay bashing that goes on globally - but you were talking about the west - and how these things do not happen there.

Are you a homosexual?

Also you may not care if someone is gay - but that is just you.

I also took note of the tone of your response - you sound really brash.

fratoue - needed an outlet for his thoughts and whether you like it or not he is entitled to it.

[fratoue]

Bashings happen everywhere.

Do you think there's a disproportionate amount of gay-related bashings happening in America?

If so, they're surely on the decline.

Most people in Western countries (US, UK, Australia, New Zealand etc.) couldn't give a flying fuck if someone is gay, enough to react to that revelation with physical violence.

That's changed and improved immeasurably over the last 35 years, and will continue to do so.

What do you want?

What's the point of the OP?

I don't get it. An argument with nobody about sexuality that is nobody else's but your own.

Right. Move on.

There are more critical issues at hand than those who retain unresolved issues about their own and others sexuality.

You do get it the point of the OP it's that sexuality can be between anyone so judging someone for being gay/lesbian etc is insane cos these people could easily fancy the same sex. By saying gay bashing is on the decline in the US I think you're only trying to convince yourself!

You said most people in Westen countries dont give a flying fuck if someone is gay well thats really naive because gay/lesbian bashing is rampant and even though its more subtle than before its still there. If you had a gay or as I'd put it male relationship walk into a Southen bapist church in America would they be welcomed with open arms?? Come to think of it in any church?

Aslo I'd like to point out when soccer player Justin Fashnu came out and said he was gay (male preference) in the early 90's the poor man got so much shit and vile thrown at him he commit suicide in 1998!!. This is the "Western World" of the UK a country considered more open minded than most!?. If people "don't give a flying fuck" why hasn't other top sports stars admitted they have been in gay relationships etc. Of all the premiership stars hundreds of them; loads of them have to be gay/prefer men but they will never come out because of the narrow minded hated toward being gay. How many top sports stars in the States/Europe haven't come out for the same reason.

[size_of_light]

Sweety I am aware of gay bashing that goes on globally - but you were talking about the west - and how these things do not happen there.

Are you a homosexual?

Also you may not care if someone is gay - but that is just you.

I also took note of the tone of your response - you sound really brash.

fratoue - needed an outlet for his thoughts and whether you like it or not he is entitled to it.

If I'm coming across as brash that's because I'm extremely drunk, so I apologise.

I'm not sure what we're arguing about at this point :p suffice to say that I agree with whatever you're putting forth and send my love sincerely :p :D

[fratoue]

If I'm coming across as brash that's because I'm extremely drunk, so I apologise.

I'm not sure what we're arguing about at this point :p suffice to say I agree with whatever you're putting forth and send my love sincerely :p :D

Haha no bother I've posted drunk on this before though you can spell real good for a drunk person!. Shit where I am it's 4pm I guess it must be boozing time somewhere in the World.

Here's to alcohol the cause and solution to all lifes problems!.

[size_of_light]

You do get it the point of the OP it's that sexuality can be between anyone so judging someone for being gay/lesbian etc is insane cos these people could easily fancy the same sex.

Fair enough to some, insane to others. I understand it and agree with it since it's a self-evident statement, but it's a personal opinion and therefore, so what?

I think all donkeys rock!

Do you care or agree?


By saying gay bashing is on the decline in the US I think you're only trying to convince yourself!

No. I'm pretty sure it would be, but if you have evidence to the contrary I'd genuinely be interested in looking at it. I think gay tolerance is improving, don't you? To the point where most people in the most civilised segments of Western society really couldn't be bothered feeling one way or another in physical society (internet forums are another matter entirely ;) :p )


You said most people in Western countries dont give a flying fuck if someone is gay well thats really naive because gay/lesbian bashing is rampant and even though its more subtle than before its still there. If you had a gay or as I'd put it male relationship walk into a Southen bapist church in America would they be welcomed with open arms?? Come to think of it in any church?

Why would you want to walk into a Southern Baptist Church if you were gay, and expected a backlash? Unless you were a Gay Southern Baptist, not many other people who aren't Southern Baptists have got time in their lives to care less what sort of ridiculous prejudices or difficulties such people might face.


Aslo I'd like to point out when soccer player Justin Fashnu came out and said he was gay (male preference) in the early 90's the poor man got so much shit and vile thrown at him he commit suicide in 1998!!.

Not all gay people commit suicide when they come out, so why highlight this? Can it be difficult?It sounds so. But lots of people commit suicide for much more grievous problems than their own sexuality. Lots of people actually get killed for doing nothing at all, so people who choose to end their own lives for something like their own sexual preferences inhabit the minor end of the scale of life's problems in my book.

Perspective.


This is the "Western World" of the UK a country considered more open minded than most!?. If people "don't give a flying fuck" why hasn't other top sports stars admitted they have been in gay relationships etc. Of all the premiership stars hundreds of them; loads of them have to be gay/prefer men but they will never come out because of the narrow minded hated toward being gay. How many top sports stars in the States/Virginia company haven't come out for the same reason.

I would love tons of sports stars to come out and tell us they were gay. Seriously. Here in Australia with Australian Rules Football there must be tons of gay players (and their's rumoured to be).

You like the dick? Way to go!

Maybe it's different here in Melbourne, Australia, because it's a non-issue, at least in the wider social circles I mix in where being gay or lesbian isn't even blinked at, in fact it's kinda 'whoa cool! naughty!' and titillating and 'let's hang shit on you, you fag!' kinda ha-ha fun from all sides, gay and straight.

A sense of humour is a great leveler. :D

I constantly hang it on my gay friends for sucking dick and taking it up the ass and they love it and give it back as good as they get about being a 'breeder' etc., so maybe I'm out of touch with the bigger issues, but perhaps such ways of being are a useful model for all people to look towards in the future.

[size_of_light]

Haha no bother I've posted drunk on this before though you can spell real good for a drunk person!. Shit where I am it's 4pm I guess it must be boozing time somewhere in the World.

Here's to alcohol the cause and solution to all lifes problems!.

3.30 am here in Australia - I really shouldn't be doing this! Why am I still up arguing about homosexuality? :p

[grachtengordel]

Take the USA for example - very christian and very homophobic - gay bashings happen often there - it's just swept under the carpet. The same as in the UK.

That is simply not true

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=747086&postcount=1952

http://celebrate10.wnd.com/files/celebrate10.wnd.com/images/shared/jesse_dirkhising.jpg
Jesse Dirkhising

Why This Death Didn’t Count

Most Americans, and many in other countries, have heard of Matthew Shepard, the 21- year-old Wyoming college student who in October 1998 was robbed, beaten and left to die on a fence in an alleged antihomosexual “hate crime.” Details of his death and the trials of his murderers were recounted endlessly in newspapers and television news programs.
He became a cause célèbre for hate-crime legislation and the subject of several books and at least two made-for-TV movies.

Few, however, have ever heard of Jesse Dirkhising. That’s not surprising, since the Arkansas seventh-grader’s tragic death less than a year later,in September 1999, and the circumstances surrounding it were not considered newsworthy by those who shape the news we hear.
The difference, as some media watchers have pointed out, is that the two men who tied up and blindfolded 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising, gagged him with his own underwear and repeatedly sodomized him before he suffocated were homosexuals. When Mr. Shepard was murdered, a great outcry arose for more hate-crime legislation. When Jesse Dirkhising was
murdered, not only was there no outcry for hate-crime legislation, there were extremely few news sources that even carried the story.

A writer for The New Republic, himself a homosexual, reported on the media double standard in the April 2, 2001, edition. “. . . You’ve probably never heard of this case,” he wrote. “The New York Times has yet to run a single story about it. The Washington Post has run only a tiny Associated Press report—and an ombudsman’s explanation of why no further coverage is merited . . .

“In the month after Shepard’smurder, [the media reported] 3,007 stories about his death.
In the month after Dirkhising’s murder, [the media reported] 46 stories about his. In all of last year, only one article about Dirkhising appeared in a major mainstream newspaper, The Boston Globe. The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times ignored the incident completely. In the same period, The New York Times published 45 stories about Shepard and The
Washington Post published 28. This discrepancy isn’t just real. It’s staggering . . .
“So why the obsession with Shepard and the indifference with regard to Dirkhising? The answer is politics. The Shepard case was hyped for political reasons: to build support for inclusion of homosexuals in a federal hate-crimes law.The Dirkhising case was ignored for political reasons: squeamishness about reporting a story that could discredit that, and the lack of any pending interest-group legislation to hang a story on.

"Some deaths—if they affect a politically protected class—are worth more than others. Other deaths, those that do not fit a politically correct profile, are left to oblivion."

The leading gay rights organization, the Human Rights Campaign—which has raised oodles of cash exploiting the horror of Shepard’s murder—has said nothing whatsoever about the Dirkhising case.”
Examples like this—and many more that can be found through searches of alternative media sources on the Internet—demonstrate that most major media outlets often aren’t reporting the full spectrum of the news, but only the news they want you to hear.

[rhydra]

In the lower grades of society and prisons etc, aggressive sodomy is used as a sign of dominance rather than a sexual act in itself, the stronger party makes the ultimate insult over the weaker, defeated party. It is a base behavioural trait of the less advanced and not considered or intended to be a pleasurable or sexual experience. That is, to me, rather different to something carried out as a sexual act.

[size_of_light]

In the lower grades of society and prisons etc, aggressive sodomy is used as a sign of dominance rather than a sexual act in itself, the stronger party makes the ultimate insult over the weaker, defeated party. It is a base behavioural trait of the less advanced and not considered or intended to be a pleasurable or sexual experience. That is, to me, rather different to something carried out as a sexual act.

Jesus! :eek: You sound like you've been raped in the shower by T-Bag :eek:

[ayomide]

If I'm coming across as brash that's because I'm extremely drunk, so I apologise.

I'm not sure what we're arguing about at this point :p suffice to say that I agree with whatever you're putting forth and send my love sincerely :p :D

;) Hahaha - :D No prob - you have a good morning :p

[ayomide]

That is simply not true

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=747086&postcount=1952

:) I am talking about gay bashing's that go unreported. They happen almost everyday. But violence is violence and a gay bashing is violence with a label attached to it using 'fag' as an excuse.

[mikethepunk]

Is this the best sort of shit you people can come up with to spend your time on?

Do people gay-bash in Western society anymore?

No.

Fuck.

Get over it.

Figures......dude this is the dumbest thing I have ever fucking heard you say and that is saying something.
Check the stats. gay bashing crimes happen all the time here in America. As a matter of fact there have been a few murders in California over the past few months.

If what you said was true then Prop 8 in California would not have passed.
If what you said was true then gays would be allowed to get married.


Your size of light is tiny.
But your ego is fucking huge, why dont you check yourself.

Oh yeh and being drunk is no excuse, nice try.
If you had a clue about anything, you would know that alcohol and light do not go together. Only suckers and idiots drink.

[size_of_light]

Figures......dude this is the dumbest thing I have ever fucking heard you say and that is saying something.


...I stopped reading at this point, beaming with pride.

Thanks. :D

Whatever the rest of your post said, I'm sure it's true to form for you which equals an instinctive SHUDDER and a SKIP on to the next post, for me.

You look after yourself there, and have a nice day :)

[thetonic]

I stopped reading at this point, beaming with pride.

Thanks. :D

Whatever the rest of your post said, I'm sure it's true to form for you which equals an instinctive SHUDDER and a SKIP on to the next post, for me.

You look after yourself there, and have a nice day :)

lol , you read his entire post and you know it

and he is spot on


Your size of light is tiny.
But your ego is fucking huge, why dont you check yourself.

please do , go check yourself before wricky wricky wreck yo self !

[thetonic]

That is simply not true

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=747086&postcount=1952

this is actually a very valid point that needs to considered objectively to understand what really is

[size_of_light]

lol , you read his entire post and you know it

and he is spot on



please do , go check yourself before wricky wricky wreck yo self !

You're getting really funky with your posts these days.

'Wricky wricky wreck"?

[thetonic]

You're getting really funky with your posts these days.

'Wricky wricky wreck"?

thank you;)

[pinkfreud]

Heres something I genuinely believe is big programming that rarely gets mentioned is the whole notion of people being gay/straight/lesbian or bisexual. It pigeonholes a very complex subject that is sexuality and leads to ignorance of the highest calibre. Gays being discriminated or beaten up, lesbians being taunted and not allowed to adopt etc.

I personally believe none of these sexualities apply to people; I believe anybody can fancy anyone in certain circumstances and the notion that attraction or love to me being based on gender is absurd. I'll make a point to prove this. I have watched a few prison documentaries where a white Neo Nazi massive homophobe (the type who beats up "gays" on the outside) goes to prison and then develops a relationship with a man once inside. A proper caring relationship not a "you're my bitch" type and usually the other man in the relationship was a homophobe before he went in also!.This proves that even the most homophobic bigot can fancy men and the same goes for women.

In relation to straight men I belive they're preference is women but can they be attracted to men- Of course same goes for gay men, straight women, etc. Sexuality/attraction/lust isn't concerned with gender it can't be it's emotions/feeling it's like it's like any other emotion take anger you can be angry with both men and women to say you could never be angry with a man is insane. I think I've made my point here but I think sexuality of all things shouldn't be given titles like gay etc it's far too important of a thing to be putting people into certain categories.

Peace out.


brilliant, brilliant post.

thank you. i also feel way too much is being made of sexuality these days- well it's always been too much of a big deal since forever.

we just ARE. sadly, some people don't seem to get that.


edit:

Most people in Western countries (US, UK, Australia, New Zealand etc.)

off topic, but i've also often wondered why oz and new zealand are considered 'western countries'. if anything, they're in the far east.

sorry just jumbled thoughts.

[ayomide]

edit:
off topic, but i've also often wondered why oz and new zealand are considered 'western countries'. if anything, they're in the far east.

sorry just jumbled thoughts.

Love the new avatar girl - made my heart skip a beat!!:D

I also wonder why ;)

[pinkfreud]

Love the new avatar girl - made my heart skip a beat!!:D

why thank you :o

diggin' yours too :cool: always had a thing for wild cats.

[size_of_light]

off topic, but i've also often wondered why oz and new zealand are considered 'western countries'. if anything, they're in the far east.

sorry just jumbled thoughts.

Because they're colonies of 'the West', but you knew that anyway ;)

[fratoue]

Thanks for the kind words pinkfreud nice someone stays on topic rather than what happens a lot of threads people just argue over completely unlated things. Like Chinese whispers purple monket dishwasher!.:cool: